The messaging tries to equate opposing Israeli military action with "anti-semitism" but only fools would believe that. MANY people of the Jewish faith oppose what Israel's military is and has been doing.
They have lost control of their narrative. 2/3 of Americans want a ceasefire, yet our psychopaths in office would have you believe we are fully behind this genocide. I for one will be at every protest & will speak out every chance i get against the real terrorists, the IDF. If anyone is interested, I watched a video on youtube called “Burning Conscience; Israeli soldiers speak out” on Alternative Focus. It is 17y old but still as relevant today.
It doesn't until the news gets out and they look like the stone hearted souless, merciless war criminals they are. Americans and Europeans are specialists at it.
Then they will whine that you are bringing up "ancient history". Even though the victims are living, and the same neocons are happy to dredge up historical gripes that happened hundreds of years ago (or millennia, in the case of Israel) to justify their latest aggression.
In the words of the inestimable ghoul HRC, "Does it even matter any more?"
I believe people should try to make a difference. I was active, as I said many times, during the anti-war movement, which bore no fruit, as they say. I still call out representatives even from other states for the things they say, like I recently called Lindsay Graham for his hawkish rhetoric. Will it make a difference, probably not, but I did what I thought was right, and I never feel that because my efforts often bear no fruit, all was in vain. Never!
Also I see trying to do the right thing even if it bears no fruit, makes you a better person, healthier. I watched those clips and I don't think I ever truly realized how sick Israel as country has become. Hopefully the people shown here are radical in their beliefs and don't represent the majority, but who knows. Not to say America doesn't need a lot of fixing.
When public opinion supports or can be made to support the rulers;' preferred policy, then they are all for public opinion. When public opinion does not give the rulers what they want to hear, it is ignored.
More so, really doesn't describe the retribution imposed on Gaza as a result of what Hamas did. I watched all those video clips and you come away with the feeling these people are indoctrinated in the same way Hitler indoctrinated the people of Germany where certain groups were perceived as inferior and deserving of death. Israel is a country that has become sick, and I only hope many, but no shown here, have avoided this hellish indoctrination. Netanyahu is a sick SOB.
He's a self serving fanatic, a profoundly narcissistic SOB, and a Fascist. I saw a Front line show covering Obama's presidency when he wanted to implement the Iran deal, and Netanyahu went to the White House to visit Obama and he acted like he owned the place. He has no sense of boundaries what so ever, and the US government has really supported this SOB. Ironic that the Jewish people basically took over Palestine after WWII due to the Holocaust, then implemented one of their own, the Nakba, then you have someone running the show who is implementing a Holocaust of his own in the name of the Jewish people. Sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you didn't have the US supporting them, and justifying what they do, maybe they would back off. However, I was surprised by the degree to which they have been indoctrinated and whose purpose is to cut off thinking. They sound like religious zealots. Watch those clips, really informative, and interesting in a macabre way. Their leader is a nut job and he needs to be ousted, since he flames an agenda of radicalism, and has zero capacity to be able to relate to his neighbors whom he obviously sees as his inferiors, and I'm not talking solely about the Palestinians. No wonder they have never become part of the Middle Eastern world, However it didn't get off to a good start when your the recipient of another's land and feel okay about that.
And the Balfour agreement was conjured up in Britain. Not by the British public, of course. But that went a long way to the establishment of the state of Israel. At the expense of the Palestinians.
Netanyahu and his Genocidal government is attempting, as usual when they are committing atrocities, to Orwell reality. The greedballs at Wall Street, despite their ethically challenged worldview, see right through him and are overwhelmingly rejecting his bold faced mendacity and veiled threats to the U.S. and Europe.
Here is a representative sampling of the comments and a link to the article:
BorgNine
We wouldn't want another 9/11 to happen to you, now would we? Heh, heh..."
up arrow = 133 down arrow = 3
MagicHandPuppet
Dear Bibi - we know you're the real villain behind 9/11
up arrow = 22 down arrow = 2
Gatoengineer
Lots of fake news, how do you bomb the crap out of a dense urban area for 5 weeks and kill only 11,000 (this is per the palestinians). Not that the chews are right mind you but the news is so slanted and the media so screwed up, impossible to tell whats real.
up arrow = 17 down arrow = 1
Sam Adams
By the way, the "Our problem is your problem" line is exactly what the dancing Israelis said after they were arrested on 9/11.
Never forget!
Hopefully they'll send some of their "students" to video document the terrorist attack like they did on 9/11.
The First rule
"You're Next"
So Israel is going to pull another 9/11, USS Liberty False Flag on us; unless we obey???
I'm really getting tired of the Tail wagging the Dog...
consitentliving
Sicker are the American 'amen choir' that follow him
"MANY people of the Jewish faith oppose what Israel's military is and has been doing." - just the military? Isn't military doing what the Israel state wants? Isn't state of Israel "democracy"? Doesn't it follow that majority of Israelis want it?
It is a Nazi ideology Jewish-style. The Naziism itself does not single out Jews as the only inferior race. Instead, it has a master race - Germans and those it considers "germanic", like Dutch and whoever else. Everyone else is inferior and subject to enslavement/extermination in due time.
So far Israel has not built any gas chambers for explicit extermination. That's the only difference from Nazi Germany.
From listening to journalists from the Middle East including from Palestine and Israel I learned Netanyahu was close to having a civil war before this happened. He has the want to kill (cleanse) even Jewish citizens in Israel! The big portion of this Zionist government was and still is under attack by the citizens who he was just like the scum here in the US making laws against them.
I have been to a couple of very large demonstrations lately and in both there was a large contingent of Independent Jewish Voices. In any case being "just like gentiles" is not always something I would suggest we work toward either. Which is not to say that I think all gentiles support bloodthirsty war mongers, but there are certainly some issues with dominance for some, especially if they mangage to attain a position of power.
Thanks for posting this, Susan. I am always heartened to hear about some Jewish people speaking up for the Palestinians. But my personal experience is that the overwhelming number of Jews and Israelis are thoroughly brainwashed into a kind of cult-like thinking that they are, well, God's Chosen People. (That's just another way of saying they think they are better than everyone else.)
Back in 2008 when another massacre was being perpetrated against the people of the Gaza Strip ("Operation Cast Lead"), I wrote a simple letter to the editor of a local paper protesting the bombing of UN schools and other civilian infrastructure. The only criticism I levelled was at the State of Israel, not the Jewish people.
And yet, and yet, two Jewish work colleagues who I'd known for years and considered as friends completely shunned me after that. It was an eye-opener for me.
yes, I understand that experience and have had similar issues. still, I see a lot of people in the US and in Canada thinking they are better than people of colour, better than indigenous people, better than LGBTQ people, better than homeless people, better than poor people and on and on. Maybe not quite the same kind of brainwashing about the same kinds of things but still fomenting hatred for people who are perceived as less good. When the Vietnam war was happening and it was Americans doing the killing to "preserve democracy" and to "save Vietnam" from communism many Americans thought they were the good guys. I did too until I went to Paris and met a group of Vietnamese people who hated what the Americans were doing to their country. I don't know quite what to do about Jewish acquaintances who think Israel is their promised land either. But then I also don't have solutions for all those other haters. Mainly I don't want to become like them.
I don't think you have to worry about becoming a "hater," Susan. You have much too big a heart for that.
Your experience meeting Vietnamese people in Paris was interesting - thank you for sharing the story.
Regarding "a lot of people thinking they are better" than group x, y, z... I think I understand what you are referring to, but I have to ask: is this something you are witnessing in real life, or is it a phenomenon you are seeing played out on a screen?
I almost never meet any "supremacists" of any stripe in person, but they seem to be all over the place on the MSM and social media networks. Makes me wonder if we're just being played? There are strong forces at work trying to divide us all against each other right now.
It's certainly not pretty at times, but it's up to each of us not to allow ourselves to be manipulated into hating our brothers and sisters.
I don't meet many who claim to be supremacists, but for sure I meet people who think that people not like them have a suspicious agenda. Mostly people don't come straight out and say these things, but after a while you hear comments about how some people are less hard working or less honest or more prone to violence etc. There is a lot of mistrust and unwillingness to understanding LGBTQ issues. Even on this thread there are people who seem to think that it is Jewishness that is what is causing issues in Gaza and they don't seem to want to consider that may be a bit simplistic as well as anti-semitic. I think that we are programmed by schools, the media, our families to think of some groups of people as lesser than us. It is a difficult topic to discuss here and only slightly less difficult face to face or talking by phone. I have a couple of people who were friends, but now won't talk to me. One over what is happening in Gaza, one because I don't trust billionaires, especially Bill Gates because she thinks he is wonderful and another because I hardly ever support the status quo which gets on her nerves. I don't think we are being played that there are real supremacists among us. It can be difficult not to feel hatred toward some of the thinking. That old parenting advice "talk about the behaviour, not the person" is something that is probably good for all of us to remember.
And what religion are most of the "bloodthirsty war mongers" in the US government? Of the few who aren't Jewish, how many received no funds from AIPAC? Let's be real here: the US is a vassal state of Israel and those wars are wars for Israel.
And every single one of those politicians who took money from them and represent a foreign government HAVE COMMITTED TREASON! I want to start a demand for the military to go arrest every fucking one of these traitors!
I understand that Israel’s behavior is bolstering those who were already antisemitic, but please don’t do that. No people is monolithic. If one judged all Americans by the behavior of our government, Americans would not be welcomed anywhere on the planet.
SPEAKING OF Zionists...do not forget that here in North America there are at LEAST
15 MILLION NON-JEWS who claim the tag of Zionists...largely EVANGELICAL. Will we witness any change of heart/mind amongst them --driven by Christian compassion or mercy???
Unfortunately, these people (and there are considerable numbers of them in the halls of congress) believe that a unified, Jewish only Israel is the final brick which will call Jesus back to judge the living and the dead, atmehich point, evangelical Christains will be physically “raptured” to heaven, while the rest of us will be subjected to the final Armegeddon and a new millennium of hell on earth followed by eternal damnation. Of course, Jews that do not convert in the final days will burn with the rest of us... however, as Zionists are a Messianic movement, it is expected that they will convert once the messiah re-arrives.
By the way, these people are stark raving mad. And they have a vast amount of control over our political systems.
yep...am fully aware of their 'aspirations' for me and themselves....and I'm inclined to think of such people as belonging to a "DEATH CULT"...thinking only of 'an afterlife'...dooming others to burn in hellfire...for a variety of unacceptable points of view (in their estimation)..absolute lunatic fringe and because the US is NOT largely a READING/scholarly culture, they are few criticisms of such clap trap.
Exactly and what is truly horrific is that they want this to happen so badly they will go so far as to make it happen! Another reason not to allow one fanatical lunatic have control over nuclear Armageddon!
There are more Zionists in America than anywhere. But do they want to go to Israel and live ?fuck no. The Christian fascists support Zionism so that the Apocalypse will come true. “Revelations“ so-called- is there ticket out of despair, hopelessness, idiocy, and true lunacy. read Chris Hedges of recent: Christian fascists read of approximately 50 years ago “The late Great Planet Earth“!
I would think that probably most of the Jews living in Israel-Palestine are Zionists. Would that not be obvious?
I don't think that Jews being settled in Palestine is actually the problem. Many people settle in countries that they were not born in.
The problem as I see it is that the state of Israel as curently constituted is a state for the Jews. They control the government and give themselves rights and privileges not open to non-Jews.
In other words they very obviously indoctrinate their children to see themselves as superior to their Arab neighbors whom they are taught are interior. This no doubt explains why Israel has never allowed itself to think of themselves as middle eastern, or to relate to their neighbors on an equal footing, and they will never become part of the world they inhabit.
That video was very informative. When they interview these young men and women, or teenagers what is so obvious is the degree of indoctrination they have been subjected to. These young people sound like they are not encouraged to have a mind of their own, or to think independently. They display a cult like mentality, and I see it as child abuse. When you read about the indoctrination of German youth during the era of Hitler it doesn't sound much different, especially in regard to their obvious prejudices. Also, they have been indoctrinated to hate Arabs not only Palestinians, but their other Arab neighbors and to see them as inferior, and themselves as the superior "race", and using their past in Israel, some 2000 years before , as justification for their unquestionable right to remove Arabs from their homeland. I'm afraid that this will end badly.
Isn't it a bit strange that they are claiming that the Palestinians are doing this very thing to their children against the Jews! This is a crazy idea to begin with since any Palestinian child could see reality and not need to be told it was happening!
I never payed this much attention to Israel, the country, it's people, but the issues yes, and was surprised by those tapes and how indoctrinated those young people came across. The Palestinians don't have to indoctrinate their children since they learn on their own the limits put on their lives locked up in a cage with severe limits put on everything they may dream for themselves.
Franklin may have been somewhat the exception. Then again, the idea that "all men are [actually] created equal" was rather radical thought, especially by the standards of the landed classes in 1783.
It was pretty much axiomatic at the time that some people were the Better Classes and thus born to rule while others were born to serve, stations in life and all that.
Let's examine the recent restrictions and laws that are being promoted since the onset of the war. These less publicised government actions could potentially pose a threat to the safety of Israelis, under the pretext of "enhancing security":
The FOIA law
10 days ago, the Israeli government asked to freeze the FOIA law due to the war, and extend the time period that gov institutions can respond to a FOIA from 4 to 7 months. Due to public pressure and many civilian objections, the new FOIA maximum response period was set at 5 instead of 4 months, giving the government an additional 1 month delay to respond to FOIAs. (References 1, 2)
Live fire against Israeli protesters
Also 10 days ago, the government started to advance regulation which was pushed by National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir earlier this year, to allow police to use live fire against Israeli citizens who are blocking roads or entrances to towns during a “multi-front war”. I’ll say that again: police could open fire and shoot civilians’ legs if they block roads during war time.
Under this regulation, police would only need approval from a senior officer before opening fire. The Attorney General, which initially agreed to fast-track the legislation and bring it to vote, retracted her agreement a few days later, due to public pressure and objections from politicians. So the Overton window has been opened, and finally this is not happening right now. This draconian measure could be brought back in the future, as happened before. (References 1, 2, 3)
Freedom to protest
In another extreme move to limit freedom of assembly and protest, the police chief said last week that they “don’t allow any demonstrations and would act to disperse them” threatening to send [protesters] to Gaza in buses.” But a day later, in light of widespread public criticism, the police took it back and announced: "Following various publications, Israel police considers the right to protest as a cornerstone of a democratic state. During the war, protests of any kind will be allowed in accordance with the law and compliance with the police and Home Front Command conditions”.
We’ve seen something similar to this during Covid, the government tried to use its emergency powers under the enabling act to forbid people to protest, and they limited it at first to 100m from home, and then 1 km etc. Due to public resistance this was lifted and the freedom to protest was kept on the most part. (not without police violence, but that’s another story). My point here is that civilian resistance and non compliance works, we must not accept these draconian measures on our liberties, under any justification - war, virus, or end of the world climate change. (Reference 1)
Incitement & conspiracy theories
The Israeli police had set up a special task force to monitor speech online. This force, which was established in May 2023, has been operating on high speed since the war began: they’ve already imprisoned 103 suspects and 44 indictments have been filed in an expedited procedure against those who incite terrorism and express support for Hamas. Most of them were people who have shown support in Hamas terror actions or showed intention to harm others. The police taskforce is also working diligently to remove social media posts which are encouraging terror acts, about 1000 such posts have been removed already.
In my opinion, while any incitement to violence and support of a terrorist organisation are wrong, dangerous and should be handled, the slippery slope is allowing this special police taskforce to threaten citizens who raise different opinions, I’ll explain where I see this slope:
A week after the massacre, A police Sub-Commissioner released a deterrent note, referring to a number of Israelis who, since the beginning of the war, have been spreading “conspiracy theories” online hinting on an inside job, which he claims is “completely unfounded”. The sub-commissioner said those people are echoing Hamas or Iran conspiracy theories. “In cases where it is Israeli citizens who spread these fake theories, most of them are expected to soon find themselves in the police interrogation rooms. We will reach out to anyone who tries to harm the public's well being and safety by publishing such news or theories that the enemy is trying to echo in Israeli society.”
This can be transformed into an amendment to the law or a new law, if they should choose to take it one step further.
Remember, that such efficient handling of incitement, and such swift measures were NOT taken when people, including politicians and doctors incited against Israeli citizens during Covid. (References 1, 2, 3)
Agriculture aid & free speech
Israeli agriculture is in a dire situation; While Israeli farmers are suffering from shortage of employees, evacuation from fields in borders proximity, or having to close their agriculture businesses or farms, the Israeli ministry of agriculture has opened a “war room” to monitor online posts and media reports against the ministry, which is related to “food security” in order to “fight” those who express criticism. Rather than helping the farmers in need, the government is seeking further control over speech and protection of its reputation.
Two noteworthy developments:
1- The Israeli public has shown wholehearted support for our local agriculture and farming. It's evident that people recognize the critical role it plays in securing our future, with many individuals volunteering for tasks such as picking, sorting, working in the fields, transportation, and trading of goods.
2- Just yesterday, the Ministry of Agriculture announced significant aid, both financial and logistical, for our farmers. It appears that the heightened public awareness, robust support for our farmers, and mounting pressure on the authorities have compelled the ministry to step up and actively contribute. This showcases the remarkable power of civilian sovereignty.
Fight against terrorism bill
This week the Knesset is expected to approve the “fight against terrorism” bill according to which the systematic and continuous consumption of Hamas and ISIS content will, under certain circumstances, constitute a criminal offence, punishable by one year in prison. Originally, this bill aimed to criminalise anyone who would passively consume this kind of content, even if they just consumed it and took no action - no incitement, no call to action nor support of Hamas. It is a "thoughts police bill" - for merely thinking something you can end up in jail.
The association for human rights in Israel explains: “Following the public criticism of the bill’s original version, changes were introduced that slightly moderate its damage: the law in its new version requires additional external circumstances for criminalization, indicating identification with ISIS or Hamas, and the passive consumption of the publications is not enough. However, in the shadow of the ambiguity that surrounds many of the elements of the offence, which are subject to the interpretation of the authorities, it is highly doubtful whether this addition will reduce the harm inherent in the law and prevent the entanglement of innocent citizens suspected of terrorist offences.
Despite the change, it is still a law that is unprecedented in democratic countries, and will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression. There is a gap between the extreme cases that bother the Shin Bet, and which the law is intended to prevent, and the language of the law, which could lead to hurting innocent citizens who have no intention of committing terrorism.” (Reference 1)
Biometric identification
Another temporary provision that was approved for a strangely long period of one year, is related to biometric identification. In light of the terror acts on Oct. 7th, Israel was faced with the complex task of identifying a large number of victims - some of whom were almost impossible to recognize, as well as obtaining a status on the missing and kidnapped Israelis. The government’s solution was to use the biometric database of Israeli citizens for this essential and urgent purpose, which includes transferring information from the biometric database in the Ministry of the Interior to the police, Shabak, Intelligence Agencies and the IDF.
Those who disagree with this provision questioned why it was necessary to create it in the first place, as there are currently procedures in the existing law regarding information requests to security agencies. It was mentioned that this provision is essentially establishing a parallel, or even a bypassing, mechanism to the court and to the existing law. Furthermore, it is not limited to the tasks of identifying bodies and missing persons, but rather it allows security agencies to demand, receive and possess biometric identification data of a living person, who is not necessarily missing or suspected of being dead. (Reference 1)
Agreed. It’s like saying, “I don’t think the European’s being settled in America
was actually the problem.” Tell Sitting Bull that. Or Chief Joseph. Or the Navajo, Hopi, Apache, Iroquois. I’m just up the street from the Colombia river. I’ll bet my house sits on someone’s’ used to be home and I don’t even know their name.
The reason i dont fix the typos is because it filters out the half wits below mensa and prometheus society iq levels. Makes it easier to detect the real from the fakers. Then there is eq and psi q
Maybe many do, and lets hope so, but what you see in terms of spin is that the criticism of Israel for it's barbaric action which is targeting the Palestinians, out of Gaza, or into extinction is anti-Semitic spin. Sickening at this point and used for decades to justify their atrocities.
So unless those Israeli people actively depose the current evil government murdering innocents, they too become a legitimate military targets? Seems to be a vicious circle doesn't it?
Netanyahu stated he intends on "cleansing" Jewish citizens! They were very close to a civil war because everyone there knows what a Zionist nut job he is and the laws he was attempting to make. This attack was indeed their 911 planned and executed by the government!
not enough of anyone supports peace. There are plenty of non jews who support what Netanyahyu is doing in Gaza. It is all stomach turning and depressing
There are a surprising amount of non Jews supporting the Israelis actions in Gaza at the moment. The anti Muslim refugee rhetoric has been flourishing for a decade or so now. Contrast this with the welcoming of Ukrainian refugees, (some of whom are Muslims, but it doesn’t seem to count in this instance), and only one word can explain the difference. Racism. Peddled to the masses, especially those on the far right, and practiced by the governments of the west.
People are easily manipulated by media. Also, Islam is a real threat to the West. The stated goal and the history of Islam is conquest. All those Islamic countries used to have other religions, you know. That's the future of Europe and the Anglosphere and it's not a pretty one.
The “U.S. “ is a zombie invaded and controlled financially and politically by Israelis and dual citizens with Israeli passports who see themselves as Israeli first AND last:
You’ll find that a tiny handful of oligarchs and their companies in the US, as you put it: “pay the piper” . And a great many of the piper payers are either Israeli dual citizens or US based zionists.
I'm aware of that. I don't care about their citizenship, which is something of a vacuous PR-style fiction anyway, really suitable only for politicians.
Passport or no passport, there is a common thread with people like Nuland, Blinken, Douglas Feith, etc. They are nominally American government officials but in fact what there are is some kind of shadow Israeli neoconservative 5th column inside the American state apparatus.
Are tney necessarily Israeli? The reason I ask is that, over the years, about half the people I have known either through social connections or business have been Jews (I live in New York City, have had a typical PMC career, have leftish prejudices and preferences, etc. etc., so this is not surprising.) I have to say they don't seem to be plotting anything. Now, of course, you could assert there is some higher level of Jews that ordinary Jews don't associate with, but I think I would have heard of it.
Whereas Capital, as I've defined it lately, would certainly try to organize talented, knowledgeable people to serve its interests, regardless of their ethnicity or religion. In fact, the peculiarities of Orthodox Jewish religious and cultural practices might tend to set them off from the background, to the detriment of their ability to blend in with other operatives and the general population.
3. Israel will discover nuclear disasters off its coastline that used to be nuclear aircraft carriers before they were sunk by hypersonic missiles from Russia and/or China in defense of their Iranian partners.
A nuclear strike on a US carrier group would most definitely be the start of WW3, I would expect ICBMs to target the black sea ports if that happened. Once ICBMs fly we are all on the road to hell.
Anyone not living within the blast effects of nuclear weapons would have only fallout to deal with for a handful of weeks. It wouldn't be anything like what Gazans are dealing with.
you clearly do not understand nuclear fallout or the effects of radiation which last for hundreds of years. People who got radiated 50 or so years ago for various reasons, usually medical, got cancer 30 or more years later. Nuclear would be the beginning of the end for all of us
I understand it better than you do, if you think that it would make the planet any more unlivable than it has been after hundreds of atmospheric tests of nuclear weapons in the past. You need to stop reading Carl Sagan and start reading competent nuclear health physicists.
Actually, I have read a lot about radiation and health. I have studied x-ray physics. I don't think you have interpreted whatever you read correctly. Either that or you read some things that were a bit off.
Fallout - you can't be serious ... in this case I would envy the Gazans (being incinerated and gone, whereas the 'fallout' victims die of radiation sickness ... not that we would not deserve it for LETTING THIS CATASTROPHE happen!)
Sorry, but there have been more atmospheric nuclear detonations in Earth's atmosphere than you are apparently aware of, each raising the surface radiation load just as much as new ones would, and that level would decay, within weeks, to one indistinguishable from the current one by any radiological instrument you are likely to know about the existence of.
The MICIMATT complex isn't interested in anything but profits and it supplies the hardware and pays the prosecutors of the wars. Most Americans are too busy watching fictional television and social media to care.
The entire Hamas attack was a joint false flag operation between Israel and the US, 1) justifying Israel genocide of Gaza, 2) justifying a US war with Syria and Iran as a southern front on the war against Russia, its all interconnected.
We already have the proof I have shown it many times. Richard Medhurst showed a leaked presentation Netanyahu gave 2 weeks before the planned attack in Oct! It shows exactly this and how they will steal the Palestinians resources and Iran's and of course they already are stealing from Syria!
Interesting. I did see the leaked report of the US military base being developed outside of Gaza weeks prior. Nothing is ever as it seems with those who have power.
I also want to state once again that the people's family members who were taken hostage were saying that for instance one man stated his mother was taken and get this that whole area where she lived is close to the border and most of those people are avid supporters of the Palestinians! These are people who are against the Zionist pig Netanyahu! The IDF unloaded into this area with Apache helo's and tanks. This is where a large portion of his opposition was and before this he was on his way out!
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with what you are saying - this is the product of an overactive imagination. You have no evidence that this was a "false flag" operation; none whatever.
To believe Israeli narratives, the October 7 attack was a *complete surprise ZOMG nobody coulda knowed ZOMG" but now Israel has granular access to Hamas communications, which are also broadcast in clear for Israel's convenience and the convenience of its audience.
I am not convinced that October 7 was a complete surprise, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but the Israeli narrative doesn't add up.
For sure: Israel was warned by Jordan and Egypt this was about to happen. Consider how well Israel is armed....then, also true, Israel has used Hamas before plus Netanyahu was very unpopular because of his hard right stance and supporting Orthodox Jews. Jewish Israelis were protesting in the streets against him before the attack. Work it out for your self and read more.
No. And I find your condescending attitude insulting madam.
These are the facts. Netanyahu's regime tacitly supported (ie tolerated) Hamas. And Hamas was funded by Qatar.
Netanyahu, as reported by Haaretz in March 2019, said that the existence and success of Hamas in Gaza made the foudation of a Palestinian state far less likely; which is why they tolerated it.
Believe what you want, thats what propaganda is intended to do, control your doubts.
Both nations have a long history of executing false flags for their own benefit and lying to the public. The Hamas attack makes no sense for Palestine or Hamas, it only served Israel and the US. I am not going to work at convincing you of what is an obvious truth to me.
Possible opportunity knocked. As in 9/11 More reasonable explanation. A good excuse to institute their final solution, salivating over it as they were- waiting in the wings.
It is a product of understanding history and applying reasonable deductions. What he said may or may not be true, but it is certainly possible. Israel has a long history of false flags, as does the US. Not much can be trusted. Hamas, has been and remains a tool of the mossad.
It is more of a stretch to say hamas acted independently and managed to escape the human terrain systems that Israel has ( like nexus 7) and delivered a successful attack on October 7th than it is to say that the power fomented the conflict by its own proxies via false flag.
To call this a product of an overactive imagination is a sign of demonstrable naivete.
You are wrong and need to get your info from the people who are on the wrong side of the Criminal Elite not from the US or it's bought and paid for Journalists!
Yes, EXACTLY LIKE IRAQ. Israel is the United States, pitbull Rottweiler, Doberman, coyote, and a replica of American mercilessness, souless indiscriminate violence for the sake of power at all costs. That’s why they love the state of Israel and its right wing war criminal government, and why the only Israeli president that wanted peace was allowed to be assassinated right before a signing of the deal. They think we’re stupid. We know this stuff.
The only target in the halls of D.C. is Russia, they wanted to justify a war with Syria and Iran as a southern front on the war with Russia. Although Iran is on the list of 7 nations to be destroyed by the neocons I think its all oriented towards Russia.
Iran, Russia, and China are members of a mutual defense pact entering into years ago. An attack on one is an attack on all.
Russia has the only hypersonic ICBMs on the planet and they would reach Minot, Cheyenne, and Great Falls before we could launch a retaliatory strike if their sovereignty was breached.
Don't fantasize that US weapons systems are so inferior that they cannot respond and create nuclear Armageddon. Russia missiles are fast but the US would still launch.
Hyper sonic weapons don't travel at the speed of light and they are not invisible stealth weapons that leave no signature. The US has systems that can track missiles from space and give early warning. If a hypersonic weapons breaches US airspace you can bet they will launch. I understand the flippant attitude but it would not be a cake walk and it would not be an instant win.
Yes, I know that. But the US has yet to take military action against Iran. And even if it did I'm not sure that missiles would be launched from the Med. And furthermore I really don't think that Russia would attack a US carrier group. The man is talking utter nonsense.
Russia sees the US invading and shelling Syria and making moves towards Iran, both nations are stepping stones to the black sea. If the US attacks anything in the black sea I would not be surprised to see a carrier group attacked. The Russia people see this as a fight for their existence, they are not going to roll over, ever.
Iran has been on Americas shopping list of countries to invade since 9/11. Why are the American aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines parked up in the Med? Along with the British navy? It’s not to establish air superiority over Hamas, is it? Israel has an army big enough, and well armed enough, to take care of Gaza, and any skirmishes with Lebanon all on its own. The US is after bigger fish to fry. That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s an admitted fact by officials from the W Bush administration.
Oh yeah, in fact I think the Hamas attack was a false flag pretext to justify invading Syria and Iran creating a southern front on the war with Russia. Bigger fish to fry is right and is really the driver of all of it.
The Israelis (Zionists) quoted and remarked upon in this article and in many others are simply showing us the logical consequences of nationalism. The Nazi philosopher Carl Schmitt explicated this a long time ago: what matters is what group, tribe, set, family, nation you belong to. Humans are fighting animals; therefore, they must fight, and whatever set loses dies and does not propagate its kind. Given the historical experience of European Jews, many of them would have to answer Rodney King's famous question, "Can't we all just get along?" with "Apparently not." The logical consequence of this conclusion is what we observe in Gaza. Of course there are other philosophies, other ideologies, and the one described by Schmitt leads to such impracticalities as the war of all against all or its Hobbesian antidote, a monarchical or fascistic Sovereign. Most Americans theoretically prefer liberalism and would have a more positive answer to Rodney King's question. In short, they're liberals. So their abject submission to the proposed theory of the absolute Sovereign now being exercised in practice is most curious. That seems to shock people; but it's not all that shocking when you get down to brass tacks, as they say. When you put all your cards on the table.
The US is a fascist military state with a fake democracy draped over it, they use the pretext of concern for humanity in liberalism as excuses to commit war crimes. Many people see themselves as liberals and the foolish ones think their government agrees with them.
The thing is when PM starts talking about Amalek you can safely conclude that something has changed in the Israel PR strategy. Sure you can get random idiots to say honest things that make them look disgusting for no reason, but not Netanyahu. There some *reason* he's doing that, and my guess is it's a deliberate effort to humiliate the US into coughing up more to bribe Egypt into taking all the gazans.
"Our race is the master race! We are divine God's on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. Other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Our Destiny is to Rule over the inferior races, the masses will lick our feet and serve as Our Slaves!" - Menachem Begin, founder of the Likud
This is their belief Zionist and jews alike. Everything else is propaganda. They play the Victim card with lies of Anti semitism and Holocaust but Arabs are Semites. Jews were mearly a percentage of people in the holocaust and this is why.
Semite = a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.
Origin = from modern Latin Semita, via late Latin from Greek Sēm ‘Shem’, son of Noah in the Bible, from whom these peoples were traditionally supposed to be descended.
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THEN IT BECOMES INTERESTING; because it was totally manipulated ... like they changed the definition of vaccines and natural imunity.
"Semite1881– A Jewish person. Frequently derogatory or euphemistic. non-Aryan1922– Chiefly in Nazi (and neo-Nazi) ideology: a person not considered Aryan, esp."....
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In a way, it is very similar (please bear with me) with the N - word ... which in most languages just basically means or is a Countries' translation of BLACK. It means no offense is you use it the correct way without "hatred" ... but of course they want us all the same and to control the narrative.
Under your post you can see "Like", "Reply", "Share". Then further to the right there is an ellipsis. Click on it and you'll see "Edit" (if it's your post). Then edit your message and "Save".
Yes, you can delete them and if there were no replies then they go without a trace. But if somebody did, then the "deleted" stub remains, and the replies are left hanging with no context.
I tend to delete mine when they are "leafed" to such deleted comments as they stop making sense.
Also, it might be unfair to those who already replied, to just go and edit your comment. That could totally ruin the repliers' intents. In such cases one could just add something clearly marking it as EDIT, UPDATE, or something.
Where we are taught to hate there will be hate and the wars that follow. I live in a multicultural community where everybody gets along fine. In my last job there were people from 27 countries of every race and color, everybody got along well . The employer was diligent in maintaining a positive work place and trouble makers got the boot. I can easily see that political provocateurs could destroy this equilibrium but fortunately we have a level of prosperity that everybody wants to sustain and we have a civil government provincially that does not promote the hate and bigotry our federal government does.
Governments like Israel and the USA promote hatred and bigotry in order to justify their violent war agendas. After a half century of imperial wars the populations of the West are well indoctrinated to hating others. Hate and violence have been internalized into our cultures and politicians are chiefly responsible, as is the media.
The fact that this genocide is happening so flagrantly takes the measure of just how far the political cultures of these two countries has fallen . It also takes the measure how cowardly the NATO vassal states are as they silently condone this atrocity. Canada has been a blind supporter of Israel. Now Canadians are waking up to the Palestinian reality and our totally incompetent government is de- legitimized even further.
We are seeing now what happens when democracy is left to collapse and fascism prevails .
The USA and Israel are turning themselves into global pariah states. We are frozen in time and place until such time as world peace and civility are restored. Progressive and positive change can only take place where there is equilibrium and civility . If there is ever time we cannot afford war it is now. If there is ever a time when we must insist on peace it is now.
"Governments like Israel and the USA promote hatred and bigotry in order to justify their violent war agendas. ... Hate and violence have been internalized into our cultures and politicians are chiefly responsible, as is the media."
And yet they inoculate themselves by (among a dozen other contradictions) jumping out front in preaching *against* hate.
Samuel Huntington was right: There is now a great "clash of civilizations". But it's becoming very clear that the one that matters, the one that now (in the anachronistic phrasing) "tries men's souls", is not the West vs Islam -- it's the West vs Neocons-Zionism, in which the latter has permanently martial mindset, and is only too happy to flush the West's Enlightenment down the toilet while singing its praises. Sometimes unwittingly, too often disingenuously.
Most of the rest of us have only begun to wake up. But the threatening "hot" version of American Civil War II, going beyond the now 22-year-long hybrid war of TPTB against Americans, is not going to divide red-blue the way the Neocons-Zionists think it will. It will be a lot more lopsided, and not in their favor. For example, the "inexplicably" growing number of MAGA POCs, as well as Matt Gaetz, MTG, and other "extreme" Republicans teaming with AOC and The Squad to release Julian Assange, are just two of a number of examples of these expanding "crossovers", disparaged in MSM as "nutcases thinking alike".
The big lie here is Israel pretending it is blameless as an occupying power. That it is the victim. A very classic abuser argument. The abuser blaming the victim for their abuse. And in this case, the abuse is an actual ongoing genocide.
It's disappointing too that the latest Arab world summit has led to nothing. So the world is just going to stand by and watch the mass murder continue. Doing nothing devalues all our humanity - human life becomes expendable - human rights become meaningless. And soon they'll be coming for you and your children. The law of the jungle turns us all into savages - human life becomes worthless, easily slaughtered for whatever bogus reason is given by the psychopathic, Charles Manson killers in charge.
The reason Israel is acting like a spoiled child is the current world opinion condemning it. They just can't get it through their arrogant minds that people would have the effrontery to criticize who they consider God's Chosen Children. I think Moloch's chosen Psychopaths is closer to the point.
Zionism strikes me as belonging back in the 15th or 16th centuries. Russell Dobular, a Jew, of the podcast Due Dissidence said on the Jimmy Dore show that he hated his brief childhood stint in Hebrew school because together with the Hebrew came pro-Zionist propaganda which he despised and rejected. I'm thrown back to French Catholicism in 1550, when the Protestant Huguenots (Christians, of course) were hated and persecuted -- and the reverse situation in England, where the Anglicans sought to promote hate and eliminate Catholics from their midst. Here we have Zionists (Jews, supposedly) seeking to inculcate other Jews (like Russell) with hate and the desire to purge non-Jewish occupants of Palestine from their midst -- for the nefarious purpose of land theft.
Zionism belongs in the 16th Century. To be practicing it in the 21st --- through brainwashing American and European Jews and murdering indigenous people (as European settlers did in the Americas beginning in the 15th/16th Centuries) is a throwback. Completely unsuitable and inappropriate to modernity.
If this historical justification is all you can find for ending this madness, for silencing Zionism, I pity you --- But I'll take it because any excuse to send Zionism back into the bowels of history -- be it 2000 BCE or 1550 AD is useful. Simply because, as Russ Dobular discovered ZIONISM IS POISON.
It's nationalism, as I tediously wrote before. While forms of tribalism have always existed (as far as I know), nationalism did not really get going in terms of oppression and slaughter until the 19th century, and especially the 20th, when weapons and media were both industrialized and millions upon millions were killed, maimed, terrorized, enslaved, tortured, raped, and whatever else you can think of. The Israelis have some catching up to do if they're ambitious. The US is said to have killed two million civilians in Vietnam, for instance.
The attitude of the jewish woman expressed against Palestinians is exactly why the US should not be involved, if Israel wants to live by the sword they should die by the sword. Let them fight their own wars against the Arab world.
«… Asked if she believes human rights are not universal and should not apply equally to everyone, Weiss replied “That’s right.”…»
But then you need to understand that these people are so bloodthirsty that they don’t even believe in human rights of their OWN people. They are willing to crush their own Israel people like cockroaches to fight “the enemy”
Please pay attention to Michael Hudson’s take on Netanyahu as next Zelinsky, from provoking Russia to provoking Iran into war, justifying their destruction.
Certainly goes a long way to explaining why the bizarre unified action across all NATO countries to try and smear, cancel or even legally ban opposition to the Israeli savergey and genocide. They want maximum harm inflicted on these palestinian victims as bait tro draw Hezbollah and Iran into war.
I suspect devices may be already in place in strategically positioned great cities of the world pending Samsonic vengeance for israel being thoroughly obliterated by such a rain of missiles.
The Empire Files video indicates a very dire future. The pair at 6.15 - one says calmly "We should carpet bomb them", the other says, almost winking into the camera "If they throw a rocket we gonna throw one big, and - done" - plainly thinking to use a nuclear weapon. The two girls at 6.50, giggling as they say "We need to kill the Arabs". As for the 'what about North Korea' pair at 10.50 - wow they are the quintessence of ignorant 'entitlement'. She says the land "we conquered the land rightfully", and "it was empty when we got here" - exactly as white people regarded South Africa, The guy is horrible, as usual dragging up twisted versions of history "The people who kicked the Jews out [1400 years ago] were Arabs - does he not realise that Jewish people have lived in the area continuously? The ludicrous woman at 13.30 and says "would people criticise America kicking out the British - utterly failing to acknowledge that the proper comparison is with the genocide of the indigenous peoples, not arguments over which white people should rule. Zionists want us to think that Israel is not an apartheid state - but the racist boy at 3.44 says, proudly, "I am a member of Lehava", an organisation which seeks to prevent marriage between Jews and Arabs - the very first principle of Apartheid and Nazism. These comfortable middle class believers have no self knowledge, no idea that they have been indoctrinated, and certainly no conception that the actions of their government, the type of apologist response to genocide they spout, may unleash a wave of anti-semitism, the likes of which has not been seen for generations.
Our governments are so depraved that Israel gets away with it, so far. Canadian media simply ignore the slaughter or they focus on the suffering of the Israeli families who fight to get their family members back. This is insane bloodlust and merciless torture of people for what? And in one stroke, they illustrate to us here in the West how little we can do. Ants in a lab.
I want to say this is unbelievable but, unfortunately, it is all too believable. We (the US) did the same to the indigenous population if North America.
Thanks Caitlin for your perspective that is both relevant and important at this time. I’ve posted the below comment, or simi, before, but in case someone has missed it, I’m going to post it again. Forgive me if you’ve seen it and maybe even signed it already.
I had this crazy idea a few nights ago that the one thing that could maybe stop the bombing immediately, would be for Pope Francis to go to Gaza, to the Rafah Crossing and enter into Gaza with the Gazans. I believe this would change the dynamics as soon as such a visit was announced. I made a petition on change.org
If you, or anyone, you know, thinks this might work, and would like to support it , please sign and share:
I think it’s necessary to change the current dynamics and narratives that do nothing but further the death and hatred on all sides. This won’t interfere with anything else people are doing. Given the craven behavior of the western governments, it’s imperative to try think outside the box of retribution. It might not work, but maybe it's worth trying. Please sign and share if you can.
Maybe I am wrong or my statement too exagerated but I don't think there was ever 1 good thing coming out of the Vatican. It's a multi million dollar/euro sect that has caused so much pain, misery and horror worldwide over the centuries, lavishing itself in power and money. Even in WW2 it took the wrong stance (being neutral is like turning a blind eye; Jezus wasn't neutral in his judgement and actions, as I remember from my lessons in a catholic school). No, I would rather believe in a resurrection of Jezus himself than in a Vatican pope doing the right thing. But hey, maybe Francis will surprise me.
I have a question - WHY, is their (Zionist including the Israeli Government) so blatantly antagonising most normal and peace loving citizens (especially the Muslims) - acting with total disregard to International law with their continued genocide and stating the most inhumane and vile things we have heard in decades... again I ask "WHY NOW ?".
PS I have my view but interested in anyone else's view.
Because No1. Netanyahu was losing in the Polls. He has several indictments against him plus he wanted to change the Judicial system. This is why the Israeli people were protesting before the war.
2. Israel is a 'supposed' friend of the USA. By starting a war it means that the American Arms Industry will survive.
The proximate cause is the attack by Hamas on October 7th, but clearly they already thought that way. Netanyahu's brutal regime is extreme. The attack by Hamas was their excuse to clear Gaza (by any means) of a people whom they clearly despise. And they know that the US has their back.
Mentioned it before ...a wonderful question on some site was as follows and I paraphrase:
"Israel had not heard of any attack by HAMAS after it's alleged 2 years of preparation; even though it has infiltrators in all wings of it, AI and IT listening devices everywhere and paid informers (spies) all over the Gaza strip ...... YET 1 day later, they know where every Hamas base is, whether they are allegedly in Hospitals, schools, bunkers, tunnels... amazing how 24 hrs can change things hey ?."
Also much news coming out on the alt-video channels about 1. how genuine it was and 2. who were the side that killed the poor Israeli citizens at the festival and Kubutz.
These “people” are SICK IN THE HEAD! And the really frightening thing is that they are so mentally and morally deficient that opposing them with a logical, rational argument would be like trying to scotch-tape a poster to a greasy wall or break through concrete with a shoelace. It freaking blows the mind! Same goes for their Western enablers and supporters!
The messaging tries to equate opposing Israeli military action with "anti-semitism" but only fools would believe that. MANY people of the Jewish faith oppose what Israel's military is and has been doing.
They have lost control of their narrative. 2/3 of Americans want a ceasefire, yet our psychopaths in office would have you believe we are fully behind this genocide. I for one will be at every protest & will speak out every chance i get against the real terrorists, the IDF. If anyone is interested, I watched a video on youtube called “Burning Conscience; Israeli soldiers speak out” on Alternative Focus. It is 17y old but still as relevant today.
Since when did public opinion start to matter?
It doesn't until the news gets out and they look like the stone hearted souless, merciless war criminals they are. Americans and Europeans are specialists at it.
Then they will whine that you are bringing up "ancient history". Even though the victims are living, and the same neocons are happy to dredge up historical gripes that happened hundreds of years ago (or millennia, in the case of Israel) to justify their latest aggression.
In the words of the inestimable ghoul HRC, "Does it even matter any more?"
Oh yes,HRC- she of the infamous souless remark seeing Gadaffi being sodomized on film “we came, we saw, he died“. Ghoul- good word for her.
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Don't let him take the wind out of your sails. shame on you Feral.
Do you want me to sell sunshine, to tell comforting lies?
I believe people should try to make a difference. I was active, as I said many times, during the anti-war movement, which bore no fruit, as they say. I still call out representatives even from other states for the things they say, like I recently called Lindsay Graham for his hawkish rhetoric. Will it make a difference, probably not, but I did what I thought was right, and I never feel that because my efforts often bear no fruit, all was in vain. Never!
Also I see trying to do the right thing even if it bears no fruit, makes you a better person, healthier. I watched those clips and I don't think I ever truly realized how sick Israel as country has become. Hopefully the people shown here are radical in their beliefs and don't represent the majority, but who knows. Not to say America doesn't need a lot of fixing.
Since the public started paying attention and thinking about it.
The rulers will simply ignore public opinion that they don't like.
Bastet knows that they have form.
Is that why they ignore the elections?
thanks for sharing that, it lead me here: https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/about/organization
Thank you for what you are doing!!! Attending the protests and speaking out!
What Israel does is wrong, regardless of public opinion.
When public opinion supports or can be made to support the rulers;' preferred policy, then they are all for public opinion. When public opinion does not give the rulers what they want to hear, it is ignored.
More so, really doesn't describe the retribution imposed on Gaza as a result of what Hamas did. I watched all those video clips and you come away with the feeling these people are indoctrinated in the same way Hitler indoctrinated the people of Germany where certain groups were perceived as inferior and deserving of death. Israel is a country that has become sick, and I only hope many, but no shown here, have avoided this hellish indoctrination. Netanyahu is a sick SOB.
Agree, Fran. Look into those eyes: they’re empty. He is completely without a soul; literally.
If I believed in demons and such, I’d say he was possessed and in need of exorcism.
He's a self serving fanatic, a profoundly narcissistic SOB, and a Fascist. I saw a Front line show covering Obama's presidency when he wanted to implement the Iran deal, and Netanyahu went to the White House to visit Obama and he acted like he owned the place. He has no sense of boundaries what so ever, and the US government has really supported this SOB. Ironic that the Jewish people basically took over Palestine after WWII due to the Holocaust, then implemented one of their own, the Nakba, then you have someone running the show who is implementing a Holocaust of his own in the name of the Jewish people. Sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Whrn you find out that hitler was ashienazi=aryan and bolshrvik leaders were all ashkenazi....
If you didn't have the US supporting them, and justifying what they do, maybe they would back off. However, I was surprised by the degree to which they have been indoctrinated and whose purpose is to cut off thinking. They sound like religious zealots. Watch those clips, really informative, and interesting in a macabre way. Their leader is a nut job and he needs to be ousted, since he flames an agenda of radicalism, and has zero capacity to be able to relate to his neighbors whom he obviously sees as his inferiors, and I'm not talking solely about the Palestinians. No wonder they have never become part of the Middle Eastern world, However it didn't get off to a good start when your the recipient of another's land and feel okay about that.
And the Balfour agreement was conjured up in Britain. Not by the British public, of course. But that went a long way to the establishment of the state of Israel. At the expense of the Palestinians.
Well said. Genocide cannot be Orwellianized with morally bankrupt happt talk PR.
Scott Ritter: "What Palestine did was JUSTIFIED! What Israel did is PURE EVIL.."
https://youtu.be/4TkEioI3er4
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Those pictures tell their own story, don’t they?
Yes they do.
Netanyahu and his Genocidal government is attempting, as usual when they are committing atrocities, to Orwell reality. The greedballs at Wall Street, despite their ethically challenged worldview, see right through him and are overwhelmingly rejecting his bold faced mendacity and veiled threats to the U.S. and Europe.
Here is a representative sampling of the comments and a link to the article:
BorgNine
We wouldn't want another 9/11 to happen to you, now would we? Heh, heh..."
up arrow = 133 down arrow = 3
MagicHandPuppet
Dear Bibi - we know you're the real villain behind 9/11
up arrow = 22 down arrow = 2
Gatoengineer
Lots of fake news, how do you bomb the crap out of a dense urban area for 5 weeks and kill only 11,000 (this is per the palestinians). Not that the chews are right mind you but the news is so slanted and the media so screwed up, impossible to tell whats real.
up arrow = 17 down arrow = 1
Sam Adams
By the way, the "Our problem is your problem" line is exactly what the dancing Israelis said after they were arrested on 9/11.
Never forget!
Hopefully they'll send some of their "students" to video document the terrorist attack like they did on 9/11.
The First rule
"You're Next"
So Israel is going to pull another 9/11, USS Liberty False Flag on us; unless we obey???
I'm really getting tired of the Tail wagging the Dog...
consitentliving
Sicker are the American 'amen choir' that follow him
November 14, 2023
Netanyahu Warns America: "You're Next" If IDF Doesn't Decimate Hamas "Barbarism"
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/netanyahu-tells-americans-youre-next-if-idf-doesnt-defeat-hamas-barbarism
"MANY people of the Jewish faith oppose what Israel's military is and has been doing." - just the military? Isn't military doing what the Israel state wants? Isn't state of Israel "democracy"? Doesn't it follow that majority of Israelis want it?
It is a Nazi ideology Jewish-style. The Naziism itself does not single out Jews as the only inferior race. Instead, it has a master race - Germans and those it considers "germanic", like Dutch and whoever else. Everyone else is inferior and subject to enslavement/extermination in due time.
So far Israel has not built any gas chambers for explicit extermination. That's the only difference from Nazi Germany.
From listening to journalists from the Middle East including from Palestine and Israel I learned Netanyahu was close to having a civil war before this happened. He has the want to kill (cleanse) even Jewish citizens in Israel! The big portion of this Zionist government was and still is under attack by the citizens who he was just like the scum here in the US making laws against them.
When nato people complain about bring byrned alive, we remember this incident
"MANY people of the Jewish faith oppose what Israel's military is and has been doing."
I don't see the evidence for this. Sure, there are exceptions, but the exception makes the rule.
What I see is a lot of Gentiles wanting to believe, against overwhelming evidence, that Jews are just like them.
I have been to a couple of very large demonstrations lately and in both there was a large contingent of Independent Jewish Voices. In any case being "just like gentiles" is not always something I would suggest we work toward either. Which is not to say that I think all gentiles support bloodthirsty war mongers, but there are certainly some issues with dominance for some, especially if they mangage to attain a position of power.
Thanks for posting this, Susan. I am always heartened to hear about some Jewish people speaking up for the Palestinians. But my personal experience is that the overwhelming number of Jews and Israelis are thoroughly brainwashed into a kind of cult-like thinking that they are, well, God's Chosen People. (That's just another way of saying they think they are better than everyone else.)
Back in 2008 when another massacre was being perpetrated against the people of the Gaza Strip ("Operation Cast Lead"), I wrote a simple letter to the editor of a local paper protesting the bombing of UN schools and other civilian infrastructure. The only criticism I levelled was at the State of Israel, not the Jewish people.
And yet, and yet, two Jewish work colleagues who I'd known for years and considered as friends completely shunned me after that. It was an eye-opener for me.
yes, I understand that experience and have had similar issues. still, I see a lot of people in the US and in Canada thinking they are better than people of colour, better than indigenous people, better than LGBTQ people, better than homeless people, better than poor people and on and on. Maybe not quite the same kind of brainwashing about the same kinds of things but still fomenting hatred for people who are perceived as less good. When the Vietnam war was happening and it was Americans doing the killing to "preserve democracy" and to "save Vietnam" from communism many Americans thought they were the good guys. I did too until I went to Paris and met a group of Vietnamese people who hated what the Americans were doing to their country. I don't know quite what to do about Jewish acquaintances who think Israel is their promised land either. But then I also don't have solutions for all those other haters. Mainly I don't want to become like them.
I don't think you have to worry about becoming a "hater," Susan. You have much too big a heart for that.
Your experience meeting Vietnamese people in Paris was interesting - thank you for sharing the story.
Regarding "a lot of people thinking they are better" than group x, y, z... I think I understand what you are referring to, but I have to ask: is this something you are witnessing in real life, or is it a phenomenon you are seeing played out on a screen?
I almost never meet any "supremacists" of any stripe in person, but they seem to be all over the place on the MSM and social media networks. Makes me wonder if we're just being played? There are strong forces at work trying to divide us all against each other right now.
It's certainly not pretty at times, but it's up to each of us not to allow ourselves to be manipulated into hating our brothers and sisters.
I don't meet many who claim to be supremacists, but for sure I meet people who think that people not like them have a suspicious agenda. Mostly people don't come straight out and say these things, but after a while you hear comments about how some people are less hard working or less honest or more prone to violence etc. There is a lot of mistrust and unwillingness to understanding LGBTQ issues. Even on this thread there are people who seem to think that it is Jewishness that is what is causing issues in Gaza and they don't seem to want to consider that may be a bit simplistic as well as anti-semitic. I think that we are programmed by schools, the media, our families to think of some groups of people as lesser than us. It is a difficult topic to discuss here and only slightly less difficult face to face or talking by phone. I have a couple of people who were friends, but now won't talk to me. One over what is happening in Gaza, one because I don't trust billionaires, especially Bill Gates because she thinks he is wonderful and another because I hardly ever support the status quo which gets on her nerves. I don't think we are being played that there are real supremacists among us. It can be difficult not to feel hatred toward some of the thinking. That old parenting advice "talk about the behaviour, not the person" is something that is probably good for all of us to remember.
And what religion are most of the "bloodthirsty war mongers" in the US government? Of the few who aren't Jewish, how many received no funds from AIPAC? Let's be real here: the US is a vassal state of Israel and those wars are wars for Israel.
And every single one of those politicians who took money from them and represent a foreign government HAVE COMMITTED TREASON! I want to start a demand for the military to go arrest every fucking one of these traitors!
I understand that Israel’s behavior is bolstering those who were already antisemitic, but please don’t do that. No people is monolithic. If one judged all Americans by the behavior of our government, Americans would not be welcomed anywhere on the planet.
How big does the pile of dead Palestinian babies have to get before we stop worrying about antisemitism?
A commenter rightly pointed out the other day that American weapons manufacturers are profiting big-time from the Gaza massacre.
The bombs and warplanes are the “hard” weapons. The “soft” weapon being peddled is all of this hand-wringing about hurting the Jews’ feelings.
Exactly! Thank you for that..
Eventually more people will figure out that there are more Zionists in Israel than true Jews, and many more of both than real Israelites.
SPEAKING OF Zionists...do not forget that here in North America there are at LEAST
15 MILLION NON-JEWS who claim the tag of Zionists...largely EVANGELICAL. Will we witness any change of heart/mind amongst them --driven by Christian compassion or mercy???
What else can we expect of people who believe what powerdrunk biblical writers wrought?
Probably not.
No because their beliefs are perverse
Unfortunately, these people (and there are considerable numbers of them in the halls of congress) believe that a unified, Jewish only Israel is the final brick which will call Jesus back to judge the living and the dead, atmehich point, evangelical Christains will be physically “raptured” to heaven, while the rest of us will be subjected to the final Armegeddon and a new millennium of hell on earth followed by eternal damnation. Of course, Jews that do not convert in the final days will burn with the rest of us... however, as Zionists are a Messianic movement, it is expected that they will convert once the messiah re-arrives.
By the way, these people are stark raving mad. And they have a vast amount of control over our political systems.
yep...am fully aware of their 'aspirations' for me and themselves....and I'm inclined to think of such people as belonging to a "DEATH CULT"...thinking only of 'an afterlife'...dooming others to burn in hellfire...for a variety of unacceptable points of view (in their estimation)..absolute lunatic fringe and because the US is NOT largely a READING/scholarly culture, they are few criticisms of such clap trap.
Exactly and what is truly horrific is that they want this to happen so badly they will go so far as to make it happen! Another reason not to allow one fanatical lunatic have control over nuclear Armageddon!
There are more Zionists in America than anywhere. But do they want to go to Israel and live ?fuck no. The Christian fascists support Zionism so that the Apocalypse will come true. “Revelations“ so-called- is there ticket out of despair, hopelessness, idiocy, and true lunacy. read Chris Hedges of recent: Christian fascists read of approximately 50 years ago “The late Great Planet Earth“!
I would think that probably most of the Jews living in Israel-Palestine are Zionists. Would that not be obvious?
I don't think that Jews being settled in Palestine is actually the problem. Many people settle in countries that they were not born in.
The problem as I see it is that the state of Israel as curently constituted is a state for the Jews. They control the government and give themselves rights and privileges not open to non-Jews.
In other words they very obviously indoctrinate their children to see themselves as superior to their Arab neighbors whom they are taught are interior. This no doubt explains why Israel has never allowed itself to think of themselves as middle eastern, or to relate to their neighbors on an equal footing, and they will never become part of the world they inhabit.
That video was very informative. When they interview these young men and women, or teenagers what is so obvious is the degree of indoctrination they have been subjected to. These young people sound like they are not encouraged to have a mind of their own, or to think independently. They display a cult like mentality, and I see it as child abuse. When you read about the indoctrination of German youth during the era of Hitler it doesn't sound much different, especially in regard to their obvious prejudices. Also, they have been indoctrinated to hate Arabs not only Palestinians, but their other Arab neighbors and to see them as inferior, and themselves as the superior "race", and using their past in Israel, some 2000 years before , as justification for their unquestionable right to remove Arabs from their homeland. I'm afraid that this will end badly.
Isn't it a bit strange that they are claiming that the Palestinians are doing this very thing to their children against the Jews! This is a crazy idea to begin with since any Palestinian child could see reality and not need to be told it was happening!
I never payed this much attention to Israel, the country, it's people, but the issues yes, and was surprised by those tapes and how indoctrinated those young people came across. The Palestinians don't have to indoctrinate their children since they learn on their own the limits put on their lives locked up in a cage with severe limits put on everything they may dream for themselves.
Why would a Jew want to live in occupied Palestine?
Israel is a military dictatorship with the illusion of being a democracy to cover its ass.
I dunno, apartheid South Africa was fairly democratic.
If you were white. For the the remaining 80% or so of the population, not so much.
And none of America's founders held anything but disdain for democracy, judging by their own writings.
Franklin may have been somewhat the exception. Then again, the idea that "all men are [actually] created equal" was rather radical thought, especially by the standards of the landed classes in 1783.
It was pretty much axiomatic at the time that some people were the Better Classes and thus born to rule while others were born to serve, stations in life and all that.
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Unfortunately, the only choice she offers subscribers is $50 a year, and that doesn't fit in my budget fed by $1182 a month from Social Security.
It's free! I copied and pasted some of it:
Let's examine the recent restrictions and laws that are being promoted since the onset of the war. These less publicised government actions could potentially pose a threat to the safety of Israelis, under the pretext of "enhancing security":
The FOIA law
10 days ago, the Israeli government asked to freeze the FOIA law due to the war, and extend the time period that gov institutions can respond to a FOIA from 4 to 7 months. Due to public pressure and many civilian objections, the new FOIA maximum response period was set at 5 instead of 4 months, giving the government an additional 1 month delay to respond to FOIAs. (References 1, 2)
Live fire against Israeli protesters
Also 10 days ago, the government started to advance regulation which was pushed by National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir earlier this year, to allow police to use live fire against Israeli citizens who are blocking roads or entrances to towns during a “multi-front war”. I’ll say that again: police could open fire and shoot civilians’ legs if they block roads during war time.
Under this regulation, police would only need approval from a senior officer before opening fire. The Attorney General, which initially agreed to fast-track the legislation and bring it to vote, retracted her agreement a few days later, due to public pressure and objections from politicians. So the Overton window has been opened, and finally this is not happening right now. This draconian measure could be brought back in the future, as happened before. (References 1, 2, 3)
Freedom to protest
In another extreme move to limit freedom of assembly and protest, the police chief said last week that they “don’t allow any demonstrations and would act to disperse them” threatening to send [protesters] to Gaza in buses.” But a day later, in light of widespread public criticism, the police took it back and announced: "Following various publications, Israel police considers the right to protest as a cornerstone of a democratic state. During the war, protests of any kind will be allowed in accordance with the law and compliance with the police and Home Front Command conditions”.
We’ve seen something similar to this during Covid, the government tried to use its emergency powers under the enabling act to forbid people to protest, and they limited it at first to 100m from home, and then 1 km etc. Due to public resistance this was lifted and the freedom to protest was kept on the most part. (not without police violence, but that’s another story). My point here is that civilian resistance and non compliance works, we must not accept these draconian measures on our liberties, under any justification - war, virus, or end of the world climate change. (Reference 1)
Incitement & conspiracy theories
The Israeli police had set up a special task force to monitor speech online. This force, which was established in May 2023, has been operating on high speed since the war began: they’ve already imprisoned 103 suspects and 44 indictments have been filed in an expedited procedure against those who incite terrorism and express support for Hamas. Most of them were people who have shown support in Hamas terror actions or showed intention to harm others. The police taskforce is also working diligently to remove social media posts which are encouraging terror acts, about 1000 such posts have been removed already.
In my opinion, while any incitement to violence and support of a terrorist organisation are wrong, dangerous and should be handled, the slippery slope is allowing this special police taskforce to threaten citizens who raise different opinions, I’ll explain where I see this slope:
A week after the massacre, A police Sub-Commissioner released a deterrent note, referring to a number of Israelis who, since the beginning of the war, have been spreading “conspiracy theories” online hinting on an inside job, which he claims is “completely unfounded”. The sub-commissioner said those people are echoing Hamas or Iran conspiracy theories. “In cases where it is Israeli citizens who spread these fake theories, most of them are expected to soon find themselves in the police interrogation rooms. We will reach out to anyone who tries to harm the public's well being and safety by publishing such news or theories that the enemy is trying to echo in Israeli society.”
This can be transformed into an amendment to the law or a new law, if they should choose to take it one step further.
Remember, that such efficient handling of incitement, and such swift measures were NOT taken when people, including politicians and doctors incited against Israeli citizens during Covid. (References 1, 2, 3)
Agriculture aid & free speech
Israeli agriculture is in a dire situation; While Israeli farmers are suffering from shortage of employees, evacuation from fields in borders proximity, or having to close their agriculture businesses or farms, the Israeli ministry of agriculture has opened a “war room” to monitor online posts and media reports against the ministry, which is related to “food security” in order to “fight” those who express criticism. Rather than helping the farmers in need, the government is seeking further control over speech and protection of its reputation.
Two noteworthy developments:
1- The Israeli public has shown wholehearted support for our local agriculture and farming. It's evident that people recognize the critical role it plays in securing our future, with many individuals volunteering for tasks such as picking, sorting, working in the fields, transportation, and trading of goods.
2- Just yesterday, the Ministry of Agriculture announced significant aid, both financial and logistical, for our farmers. It appears that the heightened public awareness, robust support for our farmers, and mounting pressure on the authorities have compelled the ministry to step up and actively contribute. This showcases the remarkable power of civilian sovereignty.
Fight against terrorism bill
This week the Knesset is expected to approve the “fight against terrorism” bill according to which the systematic and continuous consumption of Hamas and ISIS content will, under certain circumstances, constitute a criminal offence, punishable by one year in prison. Originally, this bill aimed to criminalise anyone who would passively consume this kind of content, even if they just consumed it and took no action - no incitement, no call to action nor support of Hamas. It is a "thoughts police bill" - for merely thinking something you can end up in jail.
The association for human rights in Israel explains: “Following the public criticism of the bill’s original version, changes were introduced that slightly moderate its damage: the law in its new version requires additional external circumstances for criminalization, indicating identification with ISIS or Hamas, and the passive consumption of the publications is not enough. However, in the shadow of the ambiguity that surrounds many of the elements of the offence, which are subject to the interpretation of the authorities, it is highly doubtful whether this addition will reduce the harm inherent in the law and prevent the entanglement of innocent citizens suspected of terrorist offences.
Despite the change, it is still a law that is unprecedented in democratic countries, and will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression. There is a gap between the extreme cases that bother the Shin Bet, and which the law is intended to prevent, and the language of the law, which could lead to hurting innocent citizens who have no intention of committing terrorism.” (Reference 1)
Biometric identification
Another temporary provision that was approved for a strangely long period of one year, is related to biometric identification. In light of the terror acts on Oct. 7th, Israel was faced with the complex task of identifying a large number of victims - some of whom were almost impossible to recognize, as well as obtaining a status on the missing and kidnapped Israelis. The government’s solution was to use the biometric database of Israeli citizens for this essential and urgent purpose, which includes transferring information from the biometric database in the Ministry of the Interior to the police, Shabak, Intelligence Agencies and the IDF.
Those who disagree with this provision questioned why it was necessary to create it in the first place, as there are currently procedures in the existing law regarding information requests to security agencies. It was mentioned that this provision is essentially establishing a parallel, or even a bypassing, mechanism to the court and to the existing law. Furthermore, it is not limited to the tasks of identifying bodies and missing persons, but rather it allows security agencies to demand, receive and possess biometric identification data of a living person, who is not necessarily missing or suspected of being dead. (Reference 1)
Agreed. It’s like saying, “I don’t think the European’s being settled in America
was actually the problem.” Tell Sitting Bull that. Or Chief Joseph. Or the Navajo, Hopi, Apache, Iroquois. I’m just up the street from the Colombia river. I’ll bet my house sits on someone’s’ used to be home and I don’t even know their name.
I too feel guilt that my farm was once Chippewa territory.
Want to know where brnjamine and judah r? Palrstine. Dna matches
It is just as well that you didn't give references since they'd be just as illegible.
Haha. U dont have the need to know
You don't have the intellect to know.
The reason i dont fix the typos is because it filters out the half wits below mensa and prometheus society iq levels. Makes it easier to detect the real from the fakers. Then there is eq and psi q
Mensa, in range. Prometheus society range is better but still lacking elements i hold
You will enjoy ur ignorance and thr apocalypse. My iq is out of your boundary atm.
Maybe many do, and lets hope so, but what you see in terms of spin is that the criticism of Israel for it's barbaric action which is targeting the Palestinians, out of Gaza, or into extinction is anti-Semitic spin. Sickening at this point and used for decades to justify their atrocities.
So unless those Israeli people actively depose the current evil government murdering innocents, they too become a legitimate military targets? Seems to be a vicious circle doesn't it?
Netanyahu stated he intends on "cleansing" Jewish citizens! They were very close to a civil war because everyone there knows what a Zionist nut job he is and the laws he was attempting to make. This attack was indeed their 911 planned and executed by the government!
But NOT ENOUGH
not enough of anyone supports peace. There are plenty of non jews who support what Netanyahyu is doing in Gaza. It is all stomach turning and depressing
There are a surprising amount of non Jews supporting the Israelis actions in Gaza at the moment. The anti Muslim refugee rhetoric has been flourishing for a decade or so now. Contrast this with the welcoming of Ukrainian refugees, (some of whom are Muslims, but it doesn’t seem to count in this instance), and only one word can explain the difference. Racism. Peddled to the masses, especially those on the far right, and practiced by the governments of the west.
People are easily manipulated by media. Also, Islam is a real threat to the West. The stated goal and the history of Islam is conquest. All those Islamic countries used to have other religions, you know. That's the future of Europe and the Anglosphere and it's not a pretty one.
All that cia history? Remember operation papervlip and the liberty. Dont get fooled by old out of context stories
Almost all islamic jihad cells wete created by cia mossad
Glenn beck has falltn
This truth is so hidden that I am unsure what you mean.
He is not graduating. He turned his back on christ, judah, and tim ballard.
1. As long as the United States is Israel's faithful simpleton companion, Israel's talking points will be dutifully amplified, no matter how absurd.
2. Israel knows that, if narrative fails, it can always rely on brute force, delivered by its American buttboi.
The “U.S. “ is a zombie invaded and controlled financially and politically by Israelis and dual citizens with Israeli passports who see themselves as Israeli first AND last:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4254384-brian-mast-israeli-military-uniform-capitol-hill/amp/
He who pays the piper calls the tune. Israel it aint
You’ll find that a tiny handful of oligarchs and their companies in the US, as you put it: “pay the piper” . And a great many of the piper payers are either Israeli dual citizens or US based zionists.
I'm aware of that. I don't care about their citizenship, which is something of a vacuous PR-style fiction anyway, really suitable only for politicians.
Passport or no passport, there is a common thread with people like Nuland, Blinken, Douglas Feith, etc. They are nominally American government officials but in fact what there are is some kind of shadow Israeli neoconservative 5th column inside the American state apparatus.
Are tney necessarily Israeli? The reason I ask is that, over the years, about half the people I have known either through social connections or business have been Jews (I live in New York City, have had a typical PMC career, have leftish prejudices and preferences, etc. etc., so this is not surprising.) I have to say they don't seem to be plotting anything. Now, of course, you could assert there is some higher level of Jews that ordinary Jews don't associate with, but I think I would have heard of it.
Whereas Capital, as I've defined it lately, would certainly try to organize talented, knowledgeable people to serve its interests, regardless of their ethnicity or religion. In fact, the peculiarities of Orthodox Jewish religious and cultural practices might tend to set them off from the background, to the detriment of their ability to blend in with other operatives and the general population.
3. Israel will discover nuclear disasters off its coastline that used to be nuclear aircraft carriers before they were sunk by hypersonic missiles from Russia and/or China in defense of their Iranian partners.
A nuclear strike on a US carrier group would most definitely be the start of WW3, I would expect ICBMs to target the black sea ports if that happened. Once ICBMs fly we are all on the road to hell.
Anyone not living within the blast effects of nuclear weapons would have only fallout to deal with for a handful of weeks. It wouldn't be anything like what Gazans are dealing with.
you clearly do not understand nuclear fallout or the effects of radiation which last for hundreds of years. People who got radiated 50 or so years ago for various reasons, usually medical, got cancer 30 or more years later. Nuclear would be the beginning of the end for all of us
And radiation is worse for the young cells of children. But that wouldn't stop anyone would it?
I understand it better than you do, if you think that it would make the planet any more unlivable than it has been after hundreds of atmospheric tests of nuclear weapons in the past. You need to stop reading Carl Sagan and start reading competent nuclear health physicists.
Actually, I have read a lot about radiation and health. I have studied x-ray physics. I don't think you have interpreted whatever you read correctly. Either that or you read some things that were a bit off.
Fallout - you can't be serious ... in this case I would envy the Gazans (being incinerated and gone, whereas the 'fallout' victims die of radiation sickness ... not that we would not deserve it for LETTING THIS CATASTROPHE happen!)
Sorry, but there have been more atmospheric nuclear detonations in Earth's atmosphere than you are apparently aware of, each raising the surface radiation load just as much as new ones would, and that level would decay, within weeks, to one indistinguishable from the current one by any radiological instrument you are likely to know about the existence of.
So why the hell would America set itself up for that? Who are intimidating in the Near East? Those ships need to leave ASAP.
The MICIMATT complex isn't interested in anything but profits and it supplies the hardware and pays the prosecutors of the wars. Most Americans are too busy watching fictional television and social media to care.
What's it got to do with Iran?
The entire Hamas attack was a joint false flag operation between Israel and the US, 1) justifying Israel genocide of Gaza, 2) justifying a US war with Syria and Iran as a southern front on the war against Russia, its all interconnected.
Most likely, but we will not know for sure until decades later after it is too late and the historical narrative is captured.
And the US is already bombing Syria. Is that story in your news?
We already have the proof I have shown it many times. Richard Medhurst showed a leaked presentation Netanyahu gave 2 weeks before the planned attack in Oct! It shows exactly this and how they will steal the Palestinians resources and Iran's and of course they already are stealing from Syria!
Interesting. I did see the leaked report of the US military base being developed outside of Gaza weeks prior. Nothing is ever as it seems with those who have power.
I also want to state once again that the people's family members who were taken hostage were saying that for instance one man stated his mother was taken and get this that whole area where she lived is close to the border and most of those people are avid supporters of the Palestinians! These are people who are against the Zionist pig Netanyahu! The IDF unloaded into this area with Apache helo's and tanks. This is where a large portion of his opposition was and before this he was on his way out!
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with what you are saying - this is the product of an overactive imagination. You have no evidence that this was a "false flag" operation; none whatever.
To believe Israeli narratives, the October 7 attack was a *complete surprise ZOMG nobody coulda knowed ZOMG" but now Israel has granular access to Hamas communications, which are also broadcast in clear for Israel's convenience and the convenience of its audience.
I am not convinced that October 7 was a complete surprise, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but the Israeli narrative doesn't add up.
Half correct.
For sure: Israel was warned by Jordan and Egypt this was about to happen. Consider how well Israel is armed....then, also true, Israel has used Hamas before plus Netanyahu was very unpopular because of his hard right stance and supporting Orthodox Jews. Jewish Israelis were protesting in the streets against him before the attack. Work it out for your self and read more.
Jenny, they were protesting the loss of their Supreme Court, not because they were opposed to his other right wing policies.
No. And I find your condescending attitude insulting madam.
These are the facts. Netanyahu's regime tacitly supported (ie tolerated) Hamas. And Hamas was funded by Qatar.
Netanyahu, as reported by Haaretz in March 2019, said that the existence and success of Hamas in Gaza made the foudation of a Palestinian state far less likely; which is why they tolerated it.
Until October 7th.
Believe what you want, thats what propaganda is intended to do, control your doubts.
Both nations have a long history of executing false flags for their own benefit and lying to the public. The Hamas attack makes no sense for Palestine or Hamas, it only served Israel and the US. I am not going to work at convincing you of what is an obvious truth to me.
Possible opportunity knocked. As in 9/11 More reasonable explanation. A good excuse to institute their final solution, salivating over it as they were- waiting in the wings.
It is a product of understanding history and applying reasonable deductions. What he said may or may not be true, but it is certainly possible. Israel has a long history of false flags, as does the US. Not much can be trusted. Hamas, has been and remains a tool of the mossad.
It is more of a stretch to say hamas acted independently and managed to escape the human terrain systems that Israel has ( like nexus 7) and delivered a successful attack on October 7th than it is to say that the power fomented the conflict by its own proxies via false flag.
To call this a product of an overactive imagination is a sign of demonstrable naivete.
Scott Ritter, a far more well informed and able reasoner than notbob agrees with you John.
I find this insulting Madam!
You are wrong and need to get your info from the people who are on the wrong side of the Criminal Elite not from the US or it's bought and paid for Journalists!
Can you link to your sources? I believe you but nobody else will believe me without evidence.
Israel wants the United States to make war on Iran on Israel's behalf.
Yes, EXACTLY LIKE IRAQ. Israel is the United States, pitbull Rottweiler, Doberman, coyote, and a replica of American mercilessness, souless indiscriminate violence for the sake of power at all costs. That’s why they love the state of Israel and its right wing war criminal government, and why the only Israeli president that wanted peace was allowed to be assassinated right before a signing of the deal. They think we’re stupid. We know this stuff.
The only target in the halls of D.C. is Russia, they wanted to justify a war with Syria and Iran as a southern front on the war with Russia. Although Iran is on the list of 7 nations to be destroyed by the neocons I think its all oriented towards Russia.
Iran, Russia, and China are members of a mutual defense pact entering into years ago. An attack on one is an attack on all.
Russia has the only hypersonic ICBMs on the planet and they would reach Minot, Cheyenne, and Great Falls before we could launch a retaliatory strike if their sovereignty was breached.
Don't fantasize that US weapons systems are so inferior that they cannot respond and create nuclear Armageddon. Russia missiles are fast but the US would still launch.
How would America launch a ground-based ICBM where there is nothing but a crater?
Hyper sonic weapons don't travel at the speed of light and they are not invisible stealth weapons that leave no signature. The US has systems that can track missiles from space and give early warning. If a hypersonic weapons breaches US airspace you can bet they will launch. I understand the flippant attitude but it would not be a cake walk and it would not be an instant win.
Not much really except that the US is dragging them into a war. As it is US warships are sitting in the Mediterranean Sea pointing at Iran.
Yes, I know that. But the US has yet to take military action against Iran. And even if it did I'm not sure that missiles would be launched from the Med. And furthermore I really don't think that Russia would attack a US carrier group. The man is talking utter nonsense.
And China? Come off it!!
You are being very naive. Read more about the Military Industrial Complex which makes billions of dollars. How do you keep that going without wars?
What on earth are you talking about? And stop addressing me in that condescending tone. I am not a child and I am not an idiot.
I know all about the MIC madam.
US warships also are in the Indian Ocean.
Russia sees the US invading and shelling Syria and making moves towards Iran, both nations are stepping stones to the black sea. If the US attacks anything in the black sea I would not be surprised to see a carrier group attacked. The Russia people see this as a fight for their existence, they are not going to roll over, ever.
Iran has been on Americas shopping list of countries to invade since 9/11. Why are the American aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines parked up in the Med? Along with the British navy? It’s not to establish air superiority over Hamas, is it? Israel has an army big enough, and well armed enough, to take care of Gaza, and any skirmishes with Lebanon all on its own. The US is after bigger fish to fry. That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s an admitted fact by officials from the W Bush administration.
Oh yeah, in fact I think the Hamas attack was a false flag pretext to justify invading Syria and Iran creating a southern front on the war with Russia. Bigger fish to fry is right and is really the driver of all of it.
The Israelis (Zionists) quoted and remarked upon in this article and in many others are simply showing us the logical consequences of nationalism. The Nazi philosopher Carl Schmitt explicated this a long time ago: what matters is what group, tribe, set, family, nation you belong to. Humans are fighting animals; therefore, they must fight, and whatever set loses dies and does not propagate its kind. Given the historical experience of European Jews, many of them would have to answer Rodney King's famous question, "Can't we all just get along?" with "Apparently not." The logical consequence of this conclusion is what we observe in Gaza. Of course there are other philosophies, other ideologies, and the one described by Schmitt leads to such impracticalities as the war of all against all or its Hobbesian antidote, a monarchical or fascistic Sovereign. Most Americans theoretically prefer liberalism and would have a more positive answer to Rodney King's question. In short, they're liberals. So their abject submission to the proposed theory of the absolute Sovereign now being exercised in practice is most curious. That seems to shock people; but it's not all that shocking when you get down to brass tacks, as they say. When you put all your cards on the table.
The US is a fascist military state with a fake democracy draped over it, they use the pretext of concern for humanity in liberalism as excuses to commit war crimes. Many people see themselves as liberals and the foolish ones think their government agrees with them.
The thing is when PM starts talking about Amalek you can safely conclude that something has changed in the Israel PR strategy. Sure you can get random idiots to say honest things that make them look disgusting for no reason, but not Netanyahu. There some *reason* he's doing that, and my guess is it's a deliberate effort to humiliate the US into coughing up more to bribe Egypt into taking all the gazans.
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"Our race is the master race! We are divine God's on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. Other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Our Destiny is to Rule over the inferior races, the masses will lick our feet and serve as Our Slaves!" - Menachem Begin, founder of the Likud
This is their belief Zionist and jews alike. Everything else is propaganda. They play the Victim card with lies of Anti semitism and Holocaust but Arabs are Semites. Jews were mearly a percentage of people in the holocaust and this is why.
Semite = a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.
Origin = from modern Latin Semita, via late Latin from Greek Sēm ‘Shem’, son of Noah in the Bible, from whom these peoples were traditionally supposed to be descended.
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THEN IT BECOMES INTERESTING; because it was totally manipulated ... like they changed the definition of vaccines and natural imunity.
"Semite1881– A Jewish person. Frequently derogatory or euphemistic. non-Aryan1922– Chiefly in Nazi (and neo-Nazi) ideology: a person not considered Aryan, esp."....
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In a way, it is very similar (please bear with me) with the N - word ... which in most languages just basically means or is a Countries' translation of BLACK. It means no offense is you use it the correct way without "hatred" ... but of course they want us all the same and to control the narrative.
How does one edit a post?
Under your post you can see "Like", "Reply", "Share". Then further to the right there is an ellipsis. Click on it and you'll see "Edit" (if it's your post). Then edit your message and "Save".
Thanks RB…I thought faulty posts were indelible! 😭
Yes, you can delete them and if there were no replies then they go without a trace. But if somebody did, then the "deleted" stub remains, and the replies are left hanging with no context.
I tend to delete mine when they are "leafed" to such deleted comments as they stop making sense.
Also, it might be unfair to those who already replied, to just go and edit your comment. That could totally ruin the repliers' intents. In such cases one could just add something clearly marking it as EDIT, UPDATE, or something.
Thanks!!!
Err why ?.
Ah got it - my mistake, apologies and thanks.
Changed I hope.
Where we are taught to hate there will be hate and the wars that follow. I live in a multicultural community where everybody gets along fine. In my last job there were people from 27 countries of every race and color, everybody got along well . The employer was diligent in maintaining a positive work place and trouble makers got the boot. I can easily see that political provocateurs could destroy this equilibrium but fortunately we have a level of prosperity that everybody wants to sustain and we have a civil government provincially that does not promote the hate and bigotry our federal government does.
Governments like Israel and the USA promote hatred and bigotry in order to justify their violent war agendas. After a half century of imperial wars the populations of the West are well indoctrinated to hating others. Hate and violence have been internalized into our cultures and politicians are chiefly responsible, as is the media.
The fact that this genocide is happening so flagrantly takes the measure of just how far the political cultures of these two countries has fallen . It also takes the measure how cowardly the NATO vassal states are as they silently condone this atrocity. Canada has been a blind supporter of Israel. Now Canadians are waking up to the Palestinian reality and our totally incompetent government is de- legitimized even further.
We are seeing now what happens when democracy is left to collapse and fascism prevails .
The USA and Israel are turning themselves into global pariah states. We are frozen in time and place until such time as world peace and civility are restored. Progressive and positive change can only take place where there is equilibrium and civility . If there is ever time we cannot afford war it is now. If there is ever a time when we must insist on peace it is now.
Why aren’t you my neighbour? You are so blessed.
"Governments like Israel and the USA promote hatred and bigotry in order to justify their violent war agendas. ... Hate and violence have been internalized into our cultures and politicians are chiefly responsible, as is the media."
And yet they inoculate themselves by (among a dozen other contradictions) jumping out front in preaching *against* hate.
Samuel Huntington was right: There is now a great "clash of civilizations". But it's becoming very clear that the one that matters, the one that now (in the anachronistic phrasing) "tries men's souls", is not the West vs Islam -- it's the West vs Neocons-Zionism, in which the latter has permanently martial mindset, and is only too happy to flush the West's Enlightenment down the toilet while singing its praises. Sometimes unwittingly, too often disingenuously.
Most of the rest of us have only begun to wake up. But the threatening "hot" version of American Civil War II, going beyond the now 22-year-long hybrid war of TPTB against Americans, is not going to divide red-blue the way the Neocons-Zionists think it will. It will be a lot more lopsided, and not in their favor. For example, the "inexplicably" growing number of MAGA POCs, as well as Matt Gaetz, MTG, and other "extreme" Republicans teaming with AOC and The Squad to release Julian Assange, are just two of a number of examples of these expanding "crossovers", disparaged in MSM as "nutcases thinking alike".
The big lie here is Israel pretending it is blameless as an occupying power. That it is the victim. A very classic abuser argument. The abuser blaming the victim for their abuse. And in this case, the abuse is an actual ongoing genocide.
It's disappointing too that the latest Arab world summit has led to nothing. So the world is just going to stand by and watch the mass murder continue. Doing nothing devalues all our humanity - human life becomes expendable - human rights become meaningless. And soon they'll be coming for you and your children. The law of the jungle turns us all into savages - human life becomes worthless, easily slaughtered for whatever bogus reason is given by the psychopathic, Charles Manson killers in charge.
Bravo! Nothing good will come of this well documented genocide.
The reason Israel is acting like a spoiled child is the current world opinion condemning it. They just can't get it through their arrogant minds that people would have the effrontery to criticize who they consider God's Chosen Children. I think Moloch's chosen Psychopaths is closer to the point.
Zionism strikes me as belonging back in the 15th or 16th centuries. Russell Dobular, a Jew, of the podcast Due Dissidence said on the Jimmy Dore show that he hated his brief childhood stint in Hebrew school because together with the Hebrew came pro-Zionist propaganda which he despised and rejected. I'm thrown back to French Catholicism in 1550, when the Protestant Huguenots (Christians, of course) were hated and persecuted -- and the reverse situation in England, where the Anglicans sought to promote hate and eliminate Catholics from their midst. Here we have Zionists (Jews, supposedly) seeking to inculcate other Jews (like Russell) with hate and the desire to purge non-Jewish occupants of Palestine from their midst -- for the nefarious purpose of land theft.
Zionism belongs in the 16th Century. To be practicing it in the 21st --- through brainwashing American and European Jews and murdering indigenous people (as European settlers did in the Americas beginning in the 15th/16th Centuries) is a throwback. Completely unsuitable and inappropriate to modernity.
If this historical justification is all you can find for ending this madness, for silencing Zionism, I pity you --- But I'll take it because any excuse to send Zionism back into the bowels of history -- be it 2000 BCE or 1550 AD is useful. Simply because, as Russ Dobular discovered ZIONISM IS POISON.
It's nationalism, as I tediously wrote before. While forms of tribalism have always existed (as far as I know), nationalism did not really get going in terms of oppression and slaughter until the 19th century, and especially the 20th, when weapons and media were both industrialized and millions upon millions were killed, maimed, terrorized, enslaved, tortured, raped, and whatever else you can think of. The Israelis have some catching up to do if they're ambitious. The US is said to have killed two million civilians in Vietnam, for instance.
The attitude of the jewish woman expressed against Palestinians is exactly why the US should not be involved, if Israel wants to live by the sword they should die by the sword. Let them fight their own wars against the Arab world.
The crux of the matter is this/
«… Asked if she believes human rights are not universal and should not apply equally to everyone, Weiss replied “That’s right.”…»
But then you need to understand that these people are so bloodthirsty that they don’t even believe in human rights of their OWN people. They are willing to crush their own Israel people like cockroaches to fight “the enemy”
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters
At which point you understand they are not merely misguided or rabid. They are pure evil and a danger to humanity itself.
You don't know just how right you are: Efrat Fenigson
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-2nd-update?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1148466&post_id=137783485&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=n3tj
God’s Word is true and trustworthy.. See many examples from Old Testament into the New that Israel has fallen deeply away from God’s sovereign
And righteous convenant. They’ve embraced satanic evil relying on the obscene and hateful passages from the Talmud, not God inspired, but
By fallen, broken man.
Please pay attention to Michael Hudson’s take on Netanyahu as next Zelinsky, from provoking Russia to provoking Iran into war, justifying their destruction.
Certainly goes a long way to explaining why the bizarre unified action across all NATO countries to try and smear, cancel or even legally ban opposition to the Israeli savergey and genocide. They want maximum harm inflicted on these palestinian victims as bait tro draw Hezbollah and Iran into war.
I suspect devices may be already in place in strategically positioned great cities of the world pending Samsonic vengeance for israel being thoroughly obliterated by such a rain of missiles.
I hope you're right, re Iran.
The Empire Files video indicates a very dire future. The pair at 6.15 - one says calmly "We should carpet bomb them", the other says, almost winking into the camera "If they throw a rocket we gonna throw one big, and - done" - plainly thinking to use a nuclear weapon. The two girls at 6.50, giggling as they say "We need to kill the Arabs". As for the 'what about North Korea' pair at 10.50 - wow they are the quintessence of ignorant 'entitlement'. She says the land "we conquered the land rightfully", and "it was empty when we got here" - exactly as white people regarded South Africa, The guy is horrible, as usual dragging up twisted versions of history "The people who kicked the Jews out [1400 years ago] were Arabs - does he not realise that Jewish people have lived in the area continuously? The ludicrous woman at 13.30 and says "would people criticise America kicking out the British - utterly failing to acknowledge that the proper comparison is with the genocide of the indigenous peoples, not arguments over which white people should rule. Zionists want us to think that Israel is not an apartheid state - but the racist boy at 3.44 says, proudly, "I am a member of Lehava", an organisation which seeks to prevent marriage between Jews and Arabs - the very first principle of Apartheid and Nazism. These comfortable middle class believers have no self knowledge, no idea that they have been indoctrinated, and certainly no conception that the actions of their government, the type of apologist response to genocide they spout, may unleash a wave of anti-semitism, the likes of which has not been seen for generations.
Frighteningly similar to the current state of mind of the indoctrinated American public. Very scary!!
Our governments are so depraved that Israel gets away with it, so far. Canadian media simply ignore the slaughter or they focus on the suffering of the Israeli families who fight to get their family members back. This is insane bloodlust and merciless torture of people for what? And in one stroke, they illustrate to us here in the West how little we can do. Ants in a lab.
I want to say this is unbelievable but, unfortunately, it is all too believable. We (the US) did the same to the indigenous population if North America.
Thanks Caitlin for your perspective that is both relevant and important at this time. I’ve posted the below comment, or simi, before, but in case someone has missed it, I’m going to post it again. Forgive me if you’ve seen it and maybe even signed it already.
I had this crazy idea a few nights ago that the one thing that could maybe stop the bombing immediately, would be for Pope Francis to go to Gaza, to the Rafah Crossing and enter into Gaza with the Gazans. I believe this would change the dynamics as soon as such a visit was announced. I made a petition on change.org
If you, or anyone, you know, thinks this might work, and would like to support it , please sign and share:
https://chng.it/tfYb2DjFDy
I think it’s necessary to change the current dynamics and narratives that do nothing but further the death and hatred on all sides. This won’t interfere with anything else people are doing. Given the craven behavior of the western governments, it’s imperative to try think outside the box of retribution. It might not work, but maybe it's worth trying. Please sign and share if you can.
Maybe I am wrong or my statement too exagerated but I don't think there was ever 1 good thing coming out of the Vatican. It's a multi million dollar/euro sect that has caused so much pain, misery and horror worldwide over the centuries, lavishing itself in power and money. Even in WW2 it took the wrong stance (being neutral is like turning a blind eye; Jezus wasn't neutral in his judgement and actions, as I remember from my lessons in a catholic school). No, I would rather believe in a resurrection of Jezus himself than in a Vatican pope doing the right thing. But hey, maybe Francis will surprise me.
I don't think you are wrong about the Vatican, but I think the Pope going to Gaza would create quite a stir among many and it might help, who knows?
It sure would, I have no doubt about that.
But again, I see Jesus rising sooner than the Pope would make this gesture of mercy, without political or financial ulterior motives
I don’t think the IsraHellis would give a flying fuck if they bombed the Pope.
Please sign, if you haven't already. Let's see if we can get him there. If that dynamic could occur, I think we can't know what might come of it.
I have a question - WHY, is their (Zionist including the Israeli Government) so blatantly antagonising most normal and peace loving citizens (especially the Muslims) - acting with total disregard to International law with their continued genocide and stating the most inhumane and vile things we have heard in decades... again I ask "WHY NOW ?".
PS I have my view but interested in anyone else's view.
Because No1. Netanyahu was losing in the Polls. He has several indictments against him plus he wanted to change the Judicial system. This is why the Israeli people were protesting before the war.
2. Israel is a 'supposed' friend of the USA. By starting a war it means that the American Arms Industry will survive.
The proximate cause is the attack by Hamas on October 7th, but clearly they already thought that way. Netanyahu's brutal regime is extreme. The attack by Hamas was their excuse to clear Gaza (by any means) of a people whom they clearly despise. And they know that the US has their back.
Mentioned it before ...a wonderful question on some site was as follows and I paraphrase:
"Israel had not heard of any attack by HAMAS after it's alleged 2 years of preparation; even though it has infiltrators in all wings of it, AI and IT listening devices everywhere and paid informers (spies) all over the Gaza strip ...... YET 1 day later, they know where every Hamas base is, whether they are allegedly in Hospitals, schools, bunkers, tunnels... amazing how 24 hrs can change things hey ?."
Also much news coming out on the alt-video channels about 1. how genuine it was and 2. who were the side that killed the poor Israeli citizens at the festival and Kubutz.
These “people” are SICK IN THE HEAD! And the really frightening thing is that they are so mentally and morally deficient that opposing them with a logical, rational argument would be like trying to scotch-tape a poster to a greasy wall or break through concrete with a shoelace. It freaking blows the mind! Same goes for their Western enablers and supporters!