3. Israel will discover nuclear disasters off its coastline that used to be nuclear aircraft carriers before they were sunk by hypersonic missiles from Russia and/or China in defense of their Iranian partners.
A nuclear strike on a US carrier group would most definitely be the start of WW3, I would expect ICBMs to target the black sea ports if that happened. Once ICBMs fly we are all on the road to hell.
Anyone not living within the blast effects of nuclear weapons would have only fallout to deal with for a handful of weeks. It wouldn't be anything like what Gazans are dealing with.
you clearly do not understand nuclear fallout or the effects of radiation which last for hundreds of years. People who got radiated 50 or so years ago for various reasons, usually medical, got cancer 30 or more years later. Nuclear would be the beginning of the end for all of us
I understand it better than you do, if you think that it would make the planet any more unlivable than it has been after hundreds of atmospheric tests of nuclear weapons in the past. You need to stop reading Carl Sagan and start reading competent nuclear health physicists.
Actually, I have read a lot about radiation and health. I have studied x-ray physics. I don't think you have interpreted whatever you read correctly. Either that or you read some things that were a bit off.
Fallout - you can't be serious ... in this case I would envy the Gazans (being incinerated and gone, whereas the 'fallout' victims die of radiation sickness ... not that we would not deserve it for LETTING THIS CATASTROPHE happen!)
Sorry, but there have been more atmospheric nuclear detonations in Earth's atmosphere than you are apparently aware of, each raising the surface radiation load just as much as new ones would, and that level would decay, within weeks, to one indistinguishable from the current one by any radiological instrument you are likely to know about the existence of.
The MICIMATT complex isn't interested in anything but profits and it supplies the hardware and pays the prosecutors of the wars. Most Americans are too busy watching fictional television and social media to care.
The entire Hamas attack was a joint false flag operation between Israel and the US, 1) justifying Israel genocide of Gaza, 2) justifying a US war with Syria and Iran as a southern front on the war against Russia, its all interconnected.
We already have the proof I have shown it many times. Richard Medhurst showed a leaked presentation Netanyahu gave 2 weeks before the planned attack in Oct! It shows exactly this and how they will steal the Palestinians resources and Iran's and of course they already are stealing from Syria!
Interesting. I did see the leaked report of the US military base being developed outside of Gaza weeks prior. Nothing is ever as it seems with those who have power.
I also want to state once again that the people's family members who were taken hostage were saying that for instance one man stated his mother was taken and get this that whole area where she lived is close to the border and most of those people are avid supporters of the Palestinians! These are people who are against the Zionist pig Netanyahu! The IDF unloaded into this area with Apache helo's and tanks. This is where a large portion of his opposition was and before this he was on his way out!
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with what you are saying - this is the product of an overactive imagination. You have no evidence that this was a "false flag" operation; none whatever.
To believe Israeli narratives, the October 7 attack was a *complete surprise ZOMG nobody coulda knowed ZOMG" but now Israel has granular access to Hamas communications, which are also broadcast in clear for Israel's convenience and the convenience of its audience.
I am not convinced that October 7 was a complete surprise, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but the Israeli narrative doesn't add up.
For sure: Israel was warned by Jordan and Egypt this was about to happen. Consider how well Israel is armed....then, also true, Israel has used Hamas before plus Netanyahu was very unpopular because of his hard right stance and supporting Orthodox Jews. Jewish Israelis were protesting in the streets against him before the attack. Work it out for your self and read more.
No. And I find your condescending attitude insulting madam.
These are the facts. Netanyahu's regime tacitly supported (ie tolerated) Hamas. And Hamas was funded by Qatar.
Netanyahu, as reported by Haaretz in March 2019, said that the existence and success of Hamas in Gaza made the foudation of a Palestinian state far less likely; which is why they tolerated it.
Hamas has been funded by Israel for decades, they have made public statements about it. ISIS in Syria is also a CIA funded terror group and joined in attacking Israel from Syria.
There’s a couple of points you make that we could have a discussion about. Netanyahu making funding of unimaginable amounts of money available to Hamas, and not just from Qatar, being one. That’s a large can of worms. But tell me, how did one the most protected borders on the planet, built to detect a fox being nearby, fail so spectacularly, despite advanced warnings from Egypt about an attack being imminent. And even then, why did the IDF not respond for hours. Several hours! Are you not in the least suspicious about that story? Cos if you can swallow that, you could swallow a brick!
You are right John, but there’s a kind of snarky mob mentality that operates at this site sometimes that is more interested in “winning” (ala Charlie Sheen) than learning.
Believe what you want, thats what propaganda is intended to do, control your doubts.
Both nations have a long history of executing false flags for their own benefit and lying to the public. The Hamas attack makes no sense for Palestine or Hamas, it only served Israel and the US. I am not going to work at convincing you of what is an obvious truth to me.
Possible opportunity knocked. As in 9/11 More reasonable explanation. A good excuse to institute their final solution, salivating over it as they were- waiting in the wings.
Exactly, they knew it was coming, knew what was going to happen and had the propaganda machine prepared. All the horrible things they promoted like babies were propaganda designed to increase the world wide outrage.
It is a product of understanding history and applying reasonable deductions. What he said may or may not be true, but it is certainly possible. Israel has a long history of false flags, as does the US. Not much can be trusted. Hamas, has been and remains a tool of the mossad.
It is more of a stretch to say hamas acted independently and managed to escape the human terrain systems that Israel has ( like nexus 7) and delivered a successful attack on October 7th than it is to say that the power fomented the conflict by its own proxies via false flag.
To call this a product of an overactive imagination is a sign of demonstrable naivete.
You are wrong and need to get your info from the people who are on the wrong side of the Criminal Elite not from the US or it's bought and paid for Journalists!
Yes, EXACTLY LIKE IRAQ. Israel is the United States, pitbull Rottweiler, Doberman, coyote, and a replica of American mercilessness, souless indiscriminate violence for the sake of power at all costs. That’s why they love the state of Israel and its right wing war criminal government, and why the only Israeli president that wanted peace was allowed to be assassinated right before a signing of the deal. They think we’re stupid. We know this stuff.
The only target in the halls of D.C. is Russia, they wanted to justify a war with Syria and Iran as a southern front on the war with Russia. Although Iran is on the list of 7 nations to be destroyed by the neocons I think its all oriented towards Russia.
Iran, Russia, and China are members of a mutual defense pact entering into years ago. An attack on one is an attack on all.
Russia has the only hypersonic ICBMs on the planet and they would reach Minot, Cheyenne, and Great Falls before we could launch a retaliatory strike if their sovereignty was breached.
Don't fantasize that US weapons systems are so inferior that they cannot respond and create nuclear Armageddon. Russia missiles are fast but the US would still launch.
Hyper sonic weapons don't travel at the speed of light and they are not invisible stealth weapons that leave no signature. The US has systems that can track missiles from space and give early warning. If a hypersonic weapons breaches US airspace you can bet they will launch. I understand the flippant attitude but it would not be a cake walk and it would not be an instant win.
Yes, I know that. But the US has yet to take military action against Iran. And even if it did I'm not sure that missiles would be launched from the Med. And furthermore I really don't think that Russia would attack a US carrier group. The man is talking utter nonsense.
Russia sees the US invading and shelling Syria and making moves towards Iran, both nations are stepping stones to the black sea. If the US attacks anything in the black sea I would not be surprised to see a carrier group attacked. The Russia people see this as a fight for their existence, they are not going to roll over, ever.
Iran has been on Americas shopping list of countries to invade since 9/11. Why are the American aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines parked up in the Med? Along with the British navy? It’s not to establish air superiority over Hamas, is it? Israel has an army big enough, and well armed enough, to take care of Gaza, and any skirmishes with Lebanon all on its own. The US is after bigger fish to fry. That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s an admitted fact by officials from the W Bush administration.
Oh yeah, in fact I think the Hamas attack was a false flag pretext to justify invading Syria and Iran creating a southern front on the war with Russia. Bigger fish to fry is right and is really the driver of all of it.
3. Israel will discover nuclear disasters off its coastline that used to be nuclear aircraft carriers before they were sunk by hypersonic missiles from Russia and/or China in defense of their Iranian partners.
A nuclear strike on a US carrier group would most definitely be the start of WW3, I would expect ICBMs to target the black sea ports if that happened. Once ICBMs fly we are all on the road to hell.
Anyone not living within the blast effects of nuclear weapons would have only fallout to deal with for a handful of weeks. It wouldn't be anything like what Gazans are dealing with.
you clearly do not understand nuclear fallout or the effects of radiation which last for hundreds of years. People who got radiated 50 or so years ago for various reasons, usually medical, got cancer 30 or more years later. Nuclear would be the beginning of the end for all of us
And radiation is worse for the young cells of children. But that wouldn't stop anyone would it?
I understand it better than you do, if you think that it would make the planet any more unlivable than it has been after hundreds of atmospheric tests of nuclear weapons in the past. You need to stop reading Carl Sagan and start reading competent nuclear health physicists.
Actually, I have read a lot about radiation and health. I have studied x-ray physics. I don't think you have interpreted whatever you read correctly. Either that or you read some things that were a bit off.
If you haven't studied gamma...
Fallout - you can't be serious ... in this case I would envy the Gazans (being incinerated and gone, whereas the 'fallout' victims die of radiation sickness ... not that we would not deserve it for LETTING THIS CATASTROPHE happen!)
Sorry, but there have been more atmospheric nuclear detonations in Earth's atmosphere than you are apparently aware of, each raising the surface radiation load just as much as new ones would, and that level would decay, within weeks, to one indistinguishable from the current one by any radiological instrument you are likely to know about the existence of.
So why the hell would America set itself up for that? Who are intimidating in the Near East? Those ships need to leave ASAP.
The MICIMATT complex isn't interested in anything but profits and it supplies the hardware and pays the prosecutors of the wars. Most Americans are too busy watching fictional television and social media to care.
What's it got to do with Iran?
The entire Hamas attack was a joint false flag operation between Israel and the US, 1) justifying Israel genocide of Gaza, 2) justifying a US war with Syria and Iran as a southern front on the war against Russia, its all interconnected.
Most likely, but we will not know for sure until decades later after it is too late and the historical narrative is captured.
And the US is already bombing Syria. Is that story in your news?
We already have the proof I have shown it many times. Richard Medhurst showed a leaked presentation Netanyahu gave 2 weeks before the planned attack in Oct! It shows exactly this and how they will steal the Palestinians resources and Iran's and of course they already are stealing from Syria!
Interesting. I did see the leaked report of the US military base being developed outside of Gaza weeks prior. Nothing is ever as it seems with those who have power.
I also want to state once again that the people's family members who were taken hostage were saying that for instance one man stated his mother was taken and get this that whole area where she lived is close to the border and most of those people are avid supporters of the Palestinians! These are people who are against the Zionist pig Netanyahu! The IDF unloaded into this area with Apache helo's and tanks. This is where a large portion of his opposition was and before this he was on his way out!
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with what you are saying - this is the product of an overactive imagination. You have no evidence that this was a "false flag" operation; none whatever.
To believe Israeli narratives, the October 7 attack was a *complete surprise ZOMG nobody coulda knowed ZOMG" but now Israel has granular access to Hamas communications, which are also broadcast in clear for Israel's convenience and the convenience of its audience.
I am not convinced that October 7 was a complete surprise, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but the Israeli narrative doesn't add up.
Half correct.
For sure: Israel was warned by Jordan and Egypt this was about to happen. Consider how well Israel is armed....then, also true, Israel has used Hamas before plus Netanyahu was very unpopular because of his hard right stance and supporting Orthodox Jews. Jewish Israelis were protesting in the streets against him before the attack. Work it out for your self and read more.
Jenny, they were protesting the loss of their Supreme Court, not because they were opposed to his other right wing policies.
That's not what I read.
They were protesting his right wing policy's too.
No. And I find your condescending attitude insulting madam.
These are the facts. Netanyahu's regime tacitly supported (ie tolerated) Hamas. And Hamas was funded by Qatar.
Netanyahu, as reported by Haaretz in March 2019, said that the existence and success of Hamas in Gaza made the foudation of a Palestinian state far less likely; which is why they tolerated it.
Until October 7th.
Hamas has been funded by Israel for decades, they have made public statements about it. ISIS in Syria is also a CIA funded terror group and joined in attacking Israel from Syria.
There’s a couple of points you make that we could have a discussion about. Netanyahu making funding of unimaginable amounts of money available to Hamas, and not just from Qatar, being one. That’s a large can of worms. But tell me, how did one the most protected borders on the planet, built to detect a fox being nearby, fail so spectacularly, despite advanced warnings from Egypt about an attack being imminent. And even then, why did the IDF not respond for hours. Several hours! Are you not in the least suspicious about that story? Cos if you can swallow that, you could swallow a brick!
You are right John, but there’s a kind of snarky mob mentality that operates at this site sometimes that is more interested in “winning” (ala Charlie Sheen) than learning.
Believe what you want, thats what propaganda is intended to do, control your doubts.
Both nations have a long history of executing false flags for their own benefit and lying to the public. The Hamas attack makes no sense for Palestine or Hamas, it only served Israel and the US. I am not going to work at convincing you of what is an obvious truth to me.
Possible opportunity knocked. As in 9/11 More reasonable explanation. A good excuse to institute their final solution, salivating over it as they were- waiting in the wings.
Exactly, they knew it was coming, knew what was going to happen and had the propaganda machine prepared. All the horrible things they promoted like babies were propaganda designed to increase the world wide outrage.
It is a product of understanding history and applying reasonable deductions. What he said may or may not be true, but it is certainly possible. Israel has a long history of false flags, as does the US. Not much can be trusted. Hamas, has been and remains a tool of the mossad.
It is more of a stretch to say hamas acted independently and managed to escape the human terrain systems that Israel has ( like nexus 7) and delivered a successful attack on October 7th than it is to say that the power fomented the conflict by its own proxies via false flag.
To call this a product of an overactive imagination is a sign of demonstrable naivete.
Scott Ritter, a far more well informed and able reasoner than notbob agrees with you John.
I find this insulting Madam!
You are wrong and need to get your info from the people who are on the wrong side of the Criminal Elite not from the US or it's bought and paid for Journalists!
Can you link to your sources? I believe you but nobody else will believe me without evidence.
Israel wants the United States to make war on Iran on Israel's behalf.
Yes, EXACTLY LIKE IRAQ. Israel is the United States, pitbull Rottweiler, Doberman, coyote, and a replica of American mercilessness, souless indiscriminate violence for the sake of power at all costs. That’s why they love the state of Israel and its right wing war criminal government, and why the only Israeli president that wanted peace was allowed to be assassinated right before a signing of the deal. They think we’re stupid. We know this stuff.
The only target in the halls of D.C. is Russia, they wanted to justify a war with Syria and Iran as a southern front on the war with Russia. Although Iran is on the list of 7 nations to be destroyed by the neocons I think its all oriented towards Russia.
Iran, Russia, and China are members of a mutual defense pact entering into years ago. An attack on one is an attack on all.
Russia has the only hypersonic ICBMs on the planet and they would reach Minot, Cheyenne, and Great Falls before we could launch a retaliatory strike if their sovereignty was breached.
Don't fantasize that US weapons systems are so inferior that they cannot respond and create nuclear Armageddon. Russia missiles are fast but the US would still launch.
How would America launch a ground-based ICBM where there is nothing but a crater?
Hyper sonic weapons don't travel at the speed of light and they are not invisible stealth weapons that leave no signature. The US has systems that can track missiles from space and give early warning. If a hypersonic weapons breaches US airspace you can bet they will launch. I understand the flippant attitude but it would not be a cake walk and it would not be an instant win.
Us patriotd had no warning of hvms in ukrainr when hit. Scared em deathless
There are no missile defense systems on the planet that can stop something traveling at Mach 10. Your ad hominem attack belies your ignorance.
Not much really except that the US is dragging them into a war. As it is US warships are sitting in the Mediterranean Sea pointing at Iran.
Yes, I know that. But the US has yet to take military action against Iran. And even if it did I'm not sure that missiles would be launched from the Med. And furthermore I really don't think that Russia would attack a US carrier group. The man is talking utter nonsense.
And China? Come off it!!
You are being very naive. Read more about the Military Industrial Complex which makes billions of dollars. How do you keep that going without wars?
What on earth are you talking about? And stop addressing me in that condescending tone. I am not a child and I am not an idiot.
I know all about the MIC madam.
US warships also are in the Indian Ocean.
Russia sees the US invading and shelling Syria and making moves towards Iran, both nations are stepping stones to the black sea. If the US attacks anything in the black sea I would not be surprised to see a carrier group attacked. The Russia people see this as a fight for their existence, they are not going to roll over, ever.
Iran has been on Americas shopping list of countries to invade since 9/11. Why are the American aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines parked up in the Med? Along with the British navy? It’s not to establish air superiority over Hamas, is it? Israel has an army big enough, and well armed enough, to take care of Gaza, and any skirmishes with Lebanon all on its own. The US is after bigger fish to fry. That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s an admitted fact by officials from the W Bush administration.
Oh yeah, in fact I think the Hamas attack was a false flag pretext to justify invading Syria and Iran creating a southern front on the war with Russia. Bigger fish to fry is right and is really the driver of all of it.