SPEAKING OF Zionists...do not forget that here in North America there are at LEAST
15 MILLION NON-JEWS who claim the tag of Zionists...largely EVANGELICAL. Will we witness any change of heart/mind amongst them --driven by Christian compassion or mercy???
Unfortunately, these people (and there are considerable numbers of them in the halls of congress) believe that a unified, Jewish only Israel is the final brick which will call Jesus back to judge the living and the dead, atmehich point, evangelical Christains will be physically “raptured” to heaven, while the rest of us will be subjected to the final Armegeddon and a new millennium of hell on earth followed by eternal damnation. Of course, Jews that do not convert in the final days will burn with the rest of us... however, as Zionists are a Messianic movement, it is expected that they will convert once the messiah re-arrives.
By the way, these people are stark raving mad. And they have a vast amount of control over our political systems.
yep...am fully aware of their 'aspirations' for me and themselves....and I'm inclined to think of such people as belonging to a "DEATH CULT"...thinking only of 'an afterlife'...dooming others to burn in hellfire...for a variety of unacceptable points of view (in their estimation)..absolute lunatic fringe and because the US is NOT largely a READING/scholarly culture, they are few criticisms of such clap trap.
Exactly and what is truly horrific is that they want this to happen so badly they will go so far as to make it happen! Another reason not to allow one fanatical lunatic have control over nuclear Armageddon!
There are more Zionists in America than anywhere. But do they want to go to Israel and live ?fuck no. The Christian fascists support Zionism so that the Apocalypse will come true. “Revelations“ so-called- is there ticket out of despair, hopelessness, idiocy, and true lunacy. read Chris Hedges of recent: Christian fascists read of approximately 50 years ago “The late Great Planet Earth“!
I would think that probably most of the Jews living in Israel-Palestine are Zionists. Would that not be obvious?
I don't think that Jews being settled in Palestine is actually the problem. Many people settle in countries that they were not born in.
The problem as I see it is that the state of Israel as curently constituted is a state for the Jews. They control the government and give themselves rights and privileges not open to non-Jews.
In other words they very obviously indoctrinate their children to see themselves as superior to their Arab neighbors whom they are taught are interior. This no doubt explains why Israel has never allowed itself to think of themselves as middle eastern, or to relate to their neighbors on an equal footing, and they will never become part of the world they inhabit.
That video was very informative. When they interview these young men and women, or teenagers what is so obvious is the degree of indoctrination they have been subjected to. These young people sound like they are not encouraged to have a mind of their own, or to think independently. They display a cult like mentality, and I see it as child abuse. When you read about the indoctrination of German youth during the era of Hitler it doesn't sound much different, especially in regard to their obvious prejudices. Also, they have been indoctrinated to hate Arabs not only Palestinians, but their other Arab neighbors and to see them as inferior, and themselves as the superior "race", and using their past in Israel, some 2000 years before , as justification for their unquestionable right to remove Arabs from their homeland. I'm afraid that this will end badly.
Isn't it a bit strange that they are claiming that the Palestinians are doing this very thing to their children against the Jews! This is a crazy idea to begin with since any Palestinian child could see reality and not need to be told it was happening!
I never payed this much attention to Israel, the country, it's people, but the issues yes, and was surprised by those tapes and how indoctrinated those young people came across. The Palestinians don't have to indoctrinate their children since they learn on their own the limits put on their lives locked up in a cage with severe limits put on everything they may dream for themselves.
Franklin may have been somewhat the exception. Then again, the idea that "all men are [actually] created equal" was rather radical thought, especially by the standards of the landed classes in 1783.
It was pretty much axiomatic at the time that some people were the Better Classes and thus born to rule while others were born to serve, stations in life and all that.
I was kind of shocked by that video that really high lighted the degree of prejudice Israeli children are subjected to, and the degree of indoctrination. It's sick! They are encouraged not only to be highly prejudicial toward the Arab world but to view the world in black and white terms, which means they are encouraged not to think at all. Achtung.
Let's examine the recent restrictions and laws that are being promoted since the onset of the war. These less publicised government actions could potentially pose a threat to the safety of Israelis, under the pretext of "enhancing security":
The FOIA law
10 days ago, the Israeli government asked to freeze the FOIA law due to the war, and extend the time period that gov institutions can respond to a FOIA from 4 to 7 months. Due to public pressure and many civilian objections, the new FOIA maximum response period was set at 5 instead of 4 months, giving the government an additional 1 month delay to respond to FOIAs. (References 1, 2)
Live fire against Israeli protesters
Also 10 days ago, the government started to advance regulation which was pushed by National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir earlier this year, to allow police to use live fire against Israeli citizens who are blocking roads or entrances to towns during a “multi-front war”. I’ll say that again: police could open fire and shoot civilians’ legs if they block roads during war time.
Under this regulation, police would only need approval from a senior officer before opening fire. The Attorney General, which initially agreed to fast-track the legislation and bring it to vote, retracted her agreement a few days later, due to public pressure and objections from politicians. So the Overton window has been opened, and finally this is not happening right now. This draconian measure could be brought back in the future, as happened before. (References 1, 2, 3)
Freedom to protest
In another extreme move to limit freedom of assembly and protest, the police chief said last week that they “don’t allow any demonstrations and would act to disperse them” threatening to send [protesters] to Gaza in buses.” But a day later, in light of widespread public criticism, the police took it back and announced: "Following various publications, Israel police considers the right to protest as a cornerstone of a democratic state. During the war, protests of any kind will be allowed in accordance with the law and compliance with the police and Home Front Command conditions”.
We’ve seen something similar to this during Covid, the government tried to use its emergency powers under the enabling act to forbid people to protest, and they limited it at first to 100m from home, and then 1 km etc. Due to public resistance this was lifted and the freedom to protest was kept on the most part. (not without police violence, but that’s another story). My point here is that civilian resistance and non compliance works, we must not accept these draconian measures on our liberties, under any justification - war, virus, or end of the world climate change. (Reference 1)
Incitement & conspiracy theories
The Israeli police had set up a special task force to monitor speech online. This force, which was established in May 2023, has been operating on high speed since the war began: they’ve already imprisoned 103 suspects and 44 indictments have been filed in an expedited procedure against those who incite terrorism and express support for Hamas. Most of them were people who have shown support in Hamas terror actions or showed intention to harm others. The police taskforce is also working diligently to remove social media posts which are encouraging terror acts, about 1000 such posts have been removed already.
In my opinion, while any incitement to violence and support of a terrorist organisation are wrong, dangerous and should be handled, the slippery slope is allowing this special police taskforce to threaten citizens who raise different opinions, I’ll explain where I see this slope:
A week after the massacre, A police Sub-Commissioner released a deterrent note, referring to a number of Israelis who, since the beginning of the war, have been spreading “conspiracy theories” online hinting on an inside job, which he claims is “completely unfounded”. The sub-commissioner said those people are echoing Hamas or Iran conspiracy theories. “In cases where it is Israeli citizens who spread these fake theories, most of them are expected to soon find themselves in the police interrogation rooms. We will reach out to anyone who tries to harm the public's well being and safety by publishing such news or theories that the enemy is trying to echo in Israeli society.”
This can be transformed into an amendment to the law or a new law, if they should choose to take it one step further.
Remember, that such efficient handling of incitement, and such swift measures were NOT taken when people, including politicians and doctors incited against Israeli citizens during Covid. (References 1, 2, 3)
Agriculture aid & free speech
Israeli agriculture is in a dire situation; While Israeli farmers are suffering from shortage of employees, evacuation from fields in borders proximity, or having to close their agriculture businesses or farms, the Israeli ministry of agriculture has opened a “war room” to monitor online posts and media reports against the ministry, which is related to “food security” in order to “fight” those who express criticism. Rather than helping the farmers in need, the government is seeking further control over speech and protection of its reputation.
Two noteworthy developments:
1- The Israeli public has shown wholehearted support for our local agriculture and farming. It's evident that people recognize the critical role it plays in securing our future, with many individuals volunteering for tasks such as picking, sorting, working in the fields, transportation, and trading of goods.
2- Just yesterday, the Ministry of Agriculture announced significant aid, both financial and logistical, for our farmers. It appears that the heightened public awareness, robust support for our farmers, and mounting pressure on the authorities have compelled the ministry to step up and actively contribute. This showcases the remarkable power of civilian sovereignty.
Fight against terrorism bill
This week the Knesset is expected to approve the “fight against terrorism” bill according to which the systematic and continuous consumption of Hamas and ISIS content will, under certain circumstances, constitute a criminal offence, punishable by one year in prison. Originally, this bill aimed to criminalise anyone who would passively consume this kind of content, even if they just consumed it and took no action - no incitement, no call to action nor support of Hamas. It is a "thoughts police bill" - for merely thinking something you can end up in jail.
The association for human rights in Israel explains: “Following the public criticism of the bill’s original version, changes were introduced that slightly moderate its damage: the law in its new version requires additional external circumstances for criminalization, indicating identification with ISIS or Hamas, and the passive consumption of the publications is not enough. However, in the shadow of the ambiguity that surrounds many of the elements of the offence, which are subject to the interpretation of the authorities, it is highly doubtful whether this addition will reduce the harm inherent in the law and prevent the entanglement of innocent citizens suspected of terrorist offences.
Despite the change, it is still a law that is unprecedented in democratic countries, and will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression. There is a gap between the extreme cases that bother the Shin Bet, and which the law is intended to prevent, and the language of the law, which could lead to hurting innocent citizens who have no intention of committing terrorism.” (Reference 1)
Biometric identification
Another temporary provision that was approved for a strangely long period of one year, is related to biometric identification. In light of the terror acts on Oct. 7th, Israel was faced with the complex task of identifying a large number of victims - some of whom were almost impossible to recognize, as well as obtaining a status on the missing and kidnapped Israelis. The government’s solution was to use the biometric database of Israeli citizens for this essential and urgent purpose, which includes transferring information from the biometric database in the Ministry of the Interior to the police, Shabak, Intelligence Agencies and the IDF.
Those who disagree with this provision questioned why it was necessary to create it in the first place, as there are currently procedures in the existing law regarding information requests to security agencies. It was mentioned that this provision is essentially establishing a parallel, or even a bypassing, mechanism to the court and to the existing law. Furthermore, it is not limited to the tasks of identifying bodies and missing persons, but rather it allows security agencies to demand, receive and possess biometric identification data of a living person, who is not necessarily missing or suspected of being dead. (Reference 1)
Geez, these guys have a lot of confidence in their rules. So much so that if someone dares to ignore them, they risk their freedom. I wonder how many people will think about the nature of the freedom they are risking.
Agreed. It’s like saying, “I don’t think the European’s being settled in America
was actually the problem.” Tell Sitting Bull that. Or Chief Joseph. Or the Navajo, Hopi, Apache, Iroquois. I’m just up the street from the Colombia river. I’ll bet my house sits on someone’s’ used to be home and I don’t even know their name.
The reason i dont fix the typos is because it filters out the half wits below mensa and prometheus society iq levels. Makes it easier to detect the real from the fakers. Then there is eq and psi q
Eventually more people will figure out that there are more Zionists in Israel than true Jews, and many more of both than real Israelites.
SPEAKING OF Zionists...do not forget that here in North America there are at LEAST
15 MILLION NON-JEWS who claim the tag of Zionists...largely EVANGELICAL. Will we witness any change of heart/mind amongst them --driven by Christian compassion or mercy???
What else can we expect of people who believe what powerdrunk biblical writers wrought?
Probably not.
No because their beliefs are perverse
Unfortunately, these people (and there are considerable numbers of them in the halls of congress) believe that a unified, Jewish only Israel is the final brick which will call Jesus back to judge the living and the dead, atmehich point, evangelical Christains will be physically “raptured” to heaven, while the rest of us will be subjected to the final Armegeddon and a new millennium of hell on earth followed by eternal damnation. Of course, Jews that do not convert in the final days will burn with the rest of us... however, as Zionists are a Messianic movement, it is expected that they will convert once the messiah re-arrives.
By the way, these people are stark raving mad. And they have a vast amount of control over our political systems.
yep...am fully aware of their 'aspirations' for me and themselves....and I'm inclined to think of such people as belonging to a "DEATH CULT"...thinking only of 'an afterlife'...dooming others to burn in hellfire...for a variety of unacceptable points of view (in their estimation)..absolute lunatic fringe and because the US is NOT largely a READING/scholarly culture, they are few criticisms of such clap trap.
Exactly and what is truly horrific is that they want this to happen so badly they will go so far as to make it happen! Another reason not to allow one fanatical lunatic have control over nuclear Armageddon!
There are more Zionists in America than anywhere. But do they want to go to Israel and live ?fuck no. The Christian fascists support Zionism so that the Apocalypse will come true. “Revelations“ so-called- is there ticket out of despair, hopelessness, idiocy, and true lunacy. read Chris Hedges of recent: Christian fascists read of approximately 50 years ago “The late Great Planet Earth“!
I would think that probably most of the Jews living in Israel-Palestine are Zionists. Would that not be obvious?
I don't think that Jews being settled in Palestine is actually the problem. Many people settle in countries that they were not born in.
The problem as I see it is that the state of Israel as curently constituted is a state for the Jews. They control the government and give themselves rights and privileges not open to non-Jews.
In other words they very obviously indoctrinate their children to see themselves as superior to their Arab neighbors whom they are taught are interior. This no doubt explains why Israel has never allowed itself to think of themselves as middle eastern, or to relate to their neighbors on an equal footing, and they will never become part of the world they inhabit.
That video was very informative. When they interview these young men and women, or teenagers what is so obvious is the degree of indoctrination they have been subjected to. These young people sound like they are not encouraged to have a mind of their own, or to think independently. They display a cult like mentality, and I see it as child abuse. When you read about the indoctrination of German youth during the era of Hitler it doesn't sound much different, especially in regard to their obvious prejudices. Also, they have been indoctrinated to hate Arabs not only Palestinians, but their other Arab neighbors and to see them as inferior, and themselves as the superior "race", and using their past in Israel, some 2000 years before , as justification for their unquestionable right to remove Arabs from their homeland. I'm afraid that this will end badly.
Isn't it a bit strange that they are claiming that the Palestinians are doing this very thing to their children against the Jews! This is a crazy idea to begin with since any Palestinian child could see reality and not need to be told it was happening!
I never payed this much attention to Israel, the country, it's people, but the issues yes, and was surprised by those tapes and how indoctrinated those young people came across. The Palestinians don't have to indoctrinate their children since they learn on their own the limits put on their lives locked up in a cage with severe limits put on everything they may dream for themselves.
Why would a Jew want to live in occupied Palestine?
Israel is a military dictatorship with the illusion of being a democracy to cover its ass.
I dunno, apartheid South Africa was fairly democratic.
If you were white. For the the remaining 80% or so of the population, not so much.
And none of America's founders held anything but disdain for democracy, judging by their own writings.
Franklin may have been somewhat the exception. Then again, the idea that "all men are [actually] created equal" was rather radical thought, especially by the standards of the landed classes in 1783.
It was pretty much axiomatic at the time that some people were the Better Classes and thus born to rule while others were born to serve, stations in life and all that.
I was kind of shocked by that video that really high lighted the degree of prejudice Israeli children are subjected to, and the degree of indoctrination. It's sick! They are encouraged not only to be highly prejudicial toward the Arab world but to view the world in black and white terms, which means they are encouraged not to think at all. Achtung.
Which Franklin?
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It's free! I copied and pasted some of it:
Let's examine the recent restrictions and laws that are being promoted since the onset of the war. These less publicised government actions could potentially pose a threat to the safety of Israelis, under the pretext of "enhancing security":
The FOIA law
10 days ago, the Israeli government asked to freeze the FOIA law due to the war, and extend the time period that gov institutions can respond to a FOIA from 4 to 7 months. Due to public pressure and many civilian objections, the new FOIA maximum response period was set at 5 instead of 4 months, giving the government an additional 1 month delay to respond to FOIAs. (References 1, 2)
Live fire against Israeli protesters
Also 10 days ago, the government started to advance regulation which was pushed by National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir earlier this year, to allow police to use live fire against Israeli citizens who are blocking roads or entrances to towns during a “multi-front war”. I’ll say that again: police could open fire and shoot civilians’ legs if they block roads during war time.
Under this regulation, police would only need approval from a senior officer before opening fire. The Attorney General, which initially agreed to fast-track the legislation and bring it to vote, retracted her agreement a few days later, due to public pressure and objections from politicians. So the Overton window has been opened, and finally this is not happening right now. This draconian measure could be brought back in the future, as happened before. (References 1, 2, 3)
Freedom to protest
In another extreme move to limit freedom of assembly and protest, the police chief said last week that they “don’t allow any demonstrations and would act to disperse them” threatening to send [protesters] to Gaza in buses.” But a day later, in light of widespread public criticism, the police took it back and announced: "Following various publications, Israel police considers the right to protest as a cornerstone of a democratic state. During the war, protests of any kind will be allowed in accordance with the law and compliance with the police and Home Front Command conditions”.
We’ve seen something similar to this during Covid, the government tried to use its emergency powers under the enabling act to forbid people to protest, and they limited it at first to 100m from home, and then 1 km etc. Due to public resistance this was lifted and the freedom to protest was kept on the most part. (not without police violence, but that’s another story). My point here is that civilian resistance and non compliance works, we must not accept these draconian measures on our liberties, under any justification - war, virus, or end of the world climate change. (Reference 1)
Incitement & conspiracy theories
The Israeli police had set up a special task force to monitor speech online. This force, which was established in May 2023, has been operating on high speed since the war began: they’ve already imprisoned 103 suspects and 44 indictments have been filed in an expedited procedure against those who incite terrorism and express support for Hamas. Most of them were people who have shown support in Hamas terror actions or showed intention to harm others. The police taskforce is also working diligently to remove social media posts which are encouraging terror acts, about 1000 such posts have been removed already.
In my opinion, while any incitement to violence and support of a terrorist organisation are wrong, dangerous and should be handled, the slippery slope is allowing this special police taskforce to threaten citizens who raise different opinions, I’ll explain where I see this slope:
A week after the massacre, A police Sub-Commissioner released a deterrent note, referring to a number of Israelis who, since the beginning of the war, have been spreading “conspiracy theories” online hinting on an inside job, which he claims is “completely unfounded”. The sub-commissioner said those people are echoing Hamas or Iran conspiracy theories. “In cases where it is Israeli citizens who spread these fake theories, most of them are expected to soon find themselves in the police interrogation rooms. We will reach out to anyone who tries to harm the public's well being and safety by publishing such news or theories that the enemy is trying to echo in Israeli society.”
This can be transformed into an amendment to the law or a new law, if they should choose to take it one step further.
Remember, that such efficient handling of incitement, and such swift measures were NOT taken when people, including politicians and doctors incited against Israeli citizens during Covid. (References 1, 2, 3)
Agriculture aid & free speech
Israeli agriculture is in a dire situation; While Israeli farmers are suffering from shortage of employees, evacuation from fields in borders proximity, or having to close their agriculture businesses or farms, the Israeli ministry of agriculture has opened a “war room” to monitor online posts and media reports against the ministry, which is related to “food security” in order to “fight” those who express criticism. Rather than helping the farmers in need, the government is seeking further control over speech and protection of its reputation.
Two noteworthy developments:
1- The Israeli public has shown wholehearted support for our local agriculture and farming. It's evident that people recognize the critical role it plays in securing our future, with many individuals volunteering for tasks such as picking, sorting, working in the fields, transportation, and trading of goods.
2- Just yesterday, the Ministry of Agriculture announced significant aid, both financial and logistical, for our farmers. It appears that the heightened public awareness, robust support for our farmers, and mounting pressure on the authorities have compelled the ministry to step up and actively contribute. This showcases the remarkable power of civilian sovereignty.
Fight against terrorism bill
This week the Knesset is expected to approve the “fight against terrorism” bill according to which the systematic and continuous consumption of Hamas and ISIS content will, under certain circumstances, constitute a criminal offence, punishable by one year in prison. Originally, this bill aimed to criminalise anyone who would passively consume this kind of content, even if they just consumed it and took no action - no incitement, no call to action nor support of Hamas. It is a "thoughts police bill" - for merely thinking something you can end up in jail.
The association for human rights in Israel explains: “Following the public criticism of the bill’s original version, changes were introduced that slightly moderate its damage: the law in its new version requires additional external circumstances for criminalization, indicating identification with ISIS or Hamas, and the passive consumption of the publications is not enough. However, in the shadow of the ambiguity that surrounds many of the elements of the offence, which are subject to the interpretation of the authorities, it is highly doubtful whether this addition will reduce the harm inherent in the law and prevent the entanglement of innocent citizens suspected of terrorist offences.
Despite the change, it is still a law that is unprecedented in democratic countries, and will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression. There is a gap between the extreme cases that bother the Shin Bet, and which the law is intended to prevent, and the language of the law, which could lead to hurting innocent citizens who have no intention of committing terrorism.” (Reference 1)
Biometric identification
Another temporary provision that was approved for a strangely long period of one year, is related to biometric identification. In light of the terror acts on Oct. 7th, Israel was faced with the complex task of identifying a large number of victims - some of whom were almost impossible to recognize, as well as obtaining a status on the missing and kidnapped Israelis. The government’s solution was to use the biometric database of Israeli citizens for this essential and urgent purpose, which includes transferring information from the biometric database in the Ministry of the Interior to the police, Shabak, Intelligence Agencies and the IDF.
Those who disagree with this provision questioned why it was necessary to create it in the first place, as there are currently procedures in the existing law regarding information requests to security agencies. It was mentioned that this provision is essentially establishing a parallel, or even a bypassing, mechanism to the court and to the existing law. Furthermore, it is not limited to the tasks of identifying bodies and missing persons, but rather it allows security agencies to demand, receive and possess biometric identification data of a living person, who is not necessarily missing or suspected of being dead. (Reference 1)
Geez, these guys have a lot of confidence in their rules. So much so that if someone dares to ignore them, they risk their freedom. I wonder how many people will think about the nature of the freedom they are risking.
Agreed. It’s like saying, “I don’t think the European’s being settled in America
was actually the problem.” Tell Sitting Bull that. Or Chief Joseph. Or the Navajo, Hopi, Apache, Iroquois. I’m just up the street from the Colombia river. I’ll bet my house sits on someone’s’ used to be home and I don’t even know their name.
I too feel guilt that my farm was once Chippewa territory.
Want to know where brnjamine and judah r? Palrstine. Dna matches
It is just as well that you didn't give references since they'd be just as illegible.
Haha. U dont have the need to know
You don't have the intellect to know.
The reason i dont fix the typos is because it filters out the half wits below mensa and prometheus society iq levels. Makes it easier to detect the real from the fakers. Then there is eq and psi q
Half wits are the only ones that have a use for typos.
Mensa, in range. Prometheus society range is better but still lacking elements i hold
You will enjoy ur ignorance and thr apocalypse. My iq is out of your boundary atm.