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Feral Finster's avatar

Since when did public opinion start to matter?

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

It doesn't until the news gets out and they look like the stone hearted souless, merciless war criminals they are. Americans and Europeans are specialists at it.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Then they will whine that you are bringing up "ancient history". Even though the victims are living, and the same neocons are happy to dredge up historical gripes that happened hundreds of years ago (or millennia, in the case of Israel) to justify their latest aggression.

In the words of the inestimable ghoul HRC, "Does it even matter any more?"

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

Oh yes,HRC- she of the infamous souless remark seeing Gadaffi being sodomized on film “we came, we saw, he died“. Ghoul- good word for her.

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Fran's avatar

Don't let him take the wind out of your sails. shame on you Feral.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Do you want me to sell sunshine, to tell comforting lies?

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Fran's avatar

I believe people should try to make a difference. I was active, as I said many times, during the anti-war movement, which bore no fruit, as they say. I still call out representatives even from other states for the things they say, like I recently called Lindsay Graham for his hawkish rhetoric. Will it make a difference, probably not, but I did what I thought was right, and I never feel that because my efforts often bear no fruit, all was in vain. Never!

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Feral Finster's avatar

I am not suggesting that you not do any of these things.

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Fran's avatar

Okay,

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Susan T's avatar

We all do what we can and it may not always be the same as what someone else does

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Fran's avatar

Well, my response was based on what Feral said, which was our attempts to make a difference is often a waste of time, and my position is do what you want to do, and if it makes a difference, great, and if not, well, you tried. Although I understand where he's coming from.

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Ymarsakar's avatar

Divine test alert. You are doing well

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Fran's avatar

Okay.

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Fran's avatar

Also I see trying to do the right thing even if it bears no fruit, makes you a better person, healthier. I watched those clips and I don't think I ever truly realized how sick Israel as country has become. Hopefully the people shown here are radical in their beliefs and don't represent the majority, but who knows. Not to say America doesn't need a lot of fixing.

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BJ's avatar

The most important thing in life is always doing the right thing! I too have been chastised my entire life for caring so much!!! Don't stop!

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Fran's avatar

Thanks!!

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

I won't chastise you for caring as long as you won't chastise me for telling you your actions make no difference.

It isn't as if I don't care.

It's that I recognize the futility of caring if I'm not going to actually "do" something. Where "doing" means actually making a difference.

If you have a rock in your garden that needs to be moved, touching it accomplishes nothing. You "tried" but so what?

I'm not wanting to be a "dick" here, but unless something changes, what's the point?

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

Israel did not “become“, it always had been. YOU are just more informed. The state was formed in war crimes, and has always been in war crimes. It is a war criminal instituted entity for the West. The state was formed in war crimes, and has always been in war crimes. It is a war criminal instituted entity for the west.

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Fran's avatar

I do know it's history, acquired after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and handed over to the Zionists who were after if for years. and I know there were many American Jews in position of power in the US that imposed their will on those in the UN to make it a reality. I learned quite a bit this last month. I know they sell it as if it is theirs, since they resided there some 2000 years ago. The more I learn the more I believe this is going to get a lot worse. Interesting that Netanyahu has been in bed with Hamas, so to speak, since they did not, and he did not want a two state solution and he empowered them. How convenient that Hamas carries out a plan that gives Netanyahu what he has always wanted, that is the reason to destroy Palestine once and for all. I sometimes wonder if he was complicit in their assault in one way or another.

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Vonu's avatar

Since the public started paying attention and thinking about it.

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Feral Finster's avatar

The rulers will simply ignore public opinion that they don't like.

Bastet knows that they have form.

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Vonu's avatar

Is that why they ignore the elections?

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