Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley): Ralph Nader has an article out arguing that the real death count from Israel’s onslaught in Gaza is probably at least 200,000. This could very well be true; it is definitely suspect how the official death count has been hovering around 30,000 for weeks while we know
"Oscar Winners Who Don't Speak Out On Gaza This Weekend Will Be Complicit In Genocide."
I hope you won't be too disappointed. If the winners want a chance to win again, they will keep their mouths shut. Hollywood is run by Jews, for Jews, and gives no quarter to dissent on the Israeli narrative.
Oddly enough I looked up the CEO heads of the Studios. Disney, Bob Iger is a Jew. CEO of Warner Brothers, David Zaslow is a Jew. CEO of paramount pictures - Brian Robbins is also Jewish. One of the greatest directors of our generation, Steven Spielberg is also Jewish.
So your statement is true. But your logic is that of a two year old. Just because someone is Jewish does not automatically mean they are a Zionist or support genocide.
However, I with Caitlin will be seeing who there in Hollywood will speak out against this ongoing horrific act against humanity, these sadistic crimes against innocent children - and will watch to see who among them condemns the genocide, or if they support Israel instead. And whatever religion they believe in, or whether they are an Atheist is irrelevant - they condemn themselves as depraved (or shallow) human beings and are complicit in this savagery against humanity. Our humanity - the world's humanity.
What you're doing here is insinuating if you're simply Jewish, then you automatically are for genocide. That is exactly the kind of talk the German Nazis used against the Jews - stereotyped generalizations that were unfairly applied in a hateful manner. Not all Jewish people support Zionism.
I think they effectively already are, because ADL Reports "document" a "dramatic rise in anti-semitic events", which include protests and public statements against the genocide or in support of a "free Palestine". That's "hate speech" and borderline terrorism too, right? People are being jailed for that in UK and Germany right now. How long before US National Security State makes that a formal designation under US law?
Nope. The organization housed in the building named in honour of Americas foremost fascist J.Edgar Hoover….carries on the tradition of mainly criminalising protest movements of marginalised and poor people:
Or it could mean that Patrick's post was meant to persuade you to come to your unjustified conclusion. I'm not saying one way or the other. I'm just trying to listen to Snowden's advice on apophenia .
Then they should stop the kabuki and go protest at their temple or at their community center - to their leaders. Which happen to also be the leaders of their country. This would be more direct and honest than symbolic public protest.
Jesus went and preached among the sinners. Not to the converted.
I find it "interesting" that the only time I ever hear about the "Jewish Voice for Peace" is when someone wants to insist "all Jews aren't bad". Are they really just a front?
Now, Finkelstein, Mate, Blumenthal, and Halper, these are some Jews I can support.
Pew says there are 5.8M Jews in the USA about 2.4% of the US population
JVP says it has nearly 800K members
These numbers say "something". What that "something" is, I can't quite determine or adequately even formulate a question or hypothesis.
I can't help but think of "The squad" and Bernie Sanders when I think about this "something".
I think you've totally misconstrued realists point caused by a serious dose of hostility - "just because someone is Jewish does not automatically mean they are a Zionist or support genocide" but it also does not mean they are willing to risk everything to admit it!
Therefore, remaining silent like Caitlin has continually said, is just as culpable. If you stand and watch a building burn while people are begging for help and you refuse to call the fire dept, are you not just as responsible for their deaths?
It is a known fact Hollywood is owned and operated by the Jews. This goes back decades. Another example - Harvey Weinstein remained protected for how many years - when everyone in Hollywood knew but was to AFRAID to speak up? Why might that be? Meryl Streep even kept her mouth shut - whereas she had nothing to lose. WHY? What was she afraid of? The only one who has any sort of chutzpa is Susan Saradon. As the Brits would say bless her little cottons for standing up and risking it all.
Itis no different then the situation in Gaza and remaining silent for the sake of your career! I have said repeatedly I would be willing to sacrifice my own life if we here in the USA are eventually attacked for all we have done to exacerbate this genocide - if it meant the end to ever staring another war or facilitating one. Five Hundred thousand people have now been killed in Ukraine all because of us.
Everyone willing to kill and be killed - what wonderful thinking. It's Susan Sarandon (not Saradon).
I remember watching her host the Mythos series. That gave me a boner. She's had an envious career as an actress. I thought she was great in "The Lovely Bones". Has "chutzpa" for sure. Didn't like some of her brown nosing with Sanders when it was obvious he sold his movement down the river. But then, many of us were duped by him. So, *shrug*.
I imagine she's been friends with quite a few remarkable people. The people she's known in her life because of both her long (varied) acting career and activism must be impressive by any standard - a rich soul. I'm jealous that she knew and she worked with Peter Jackson! Didn't know that about Vidal.
Hollywood being completely controlled by people of Jewish ancestry actually goes back to the very beginning more than a century ago. It was that way from day one. No one who knows any of the history of Hollywood would deny that unless they want to lie about it. I'm going to go out on a limb and say this subject will not be broached by a single person who walks up on that stage. No one is going to bite the hand that feeds and they have nothing to gain personally from doing so. Just the opposite. Personal gain is really about all those people care about anyway.
It may be so that they are in charge since 100 ago, but the tide was shifted with the movie Pawnbroker from the 1964.
Up till then the RCC (Roman Catholic Church - that I can't stand) were in charge what would be broadcasted on the TV (no explicit scenes, no kissing, no sex scenes or scenes that insinuate sex .. and of course ... no criticism of the church).
All of that changed with the Pawnbroker - story of the Holocaust survivor with lot of sex scenes in it - in the context of Nazi atrocities (rape and so on).
There was not single ONE institution, president, PM, Pope, that dared to ban a movie about the Holocaust.
Nobody dared and that was a (new) start of the porn industry after the WWII.
They don't even hide it that they are the originators and in charge of the porn industry.
During the C19 lunacy, children couldn't go to school or out to play, people were restricted to go out for a walk, banned and fined for going to the beach, but on the TV, all of the porn channels gave FREE access to the porn to EVERYONE.
BJ: All because of our governments that we have no control of at all because this is not government of the people by, the people, for the people, it is government of the people by the rich and powerful of a variety of religions and ethnicities for the rich and powerful of a variety of religions and ethnicities.
Folks, if you will take a minute to recall, a bunch of Hollywood celebrities condemned Israel’s invasion of Gaza and the wanton death and destruction it brought - Mark Ruffalo was one of them - and all of them were forced to sign a groveling letter of apology admitting they were wrong - so I’m afraid Caitlin has set the bar too high for this year’s Oscars. There won’t be any calls for Free Palestine going on at the Oscars. The movie and television industry in this country is dominated by Jews, as are the talent agencies, as is every other aspect of that industry.
I doubt that Susan Sarandon is nominated for anything, but if she is and wins, I bet she condemns the invasion of Gaza and won't apologize for it. I wouldn't.
I agree. There are many Jews with an intact conscience but MSM makes sure we don’t hear much about them. I doubt any Oscar winners will condemn the Gaza genocide as that isn’t a “cause” — they’re more likely to remind us that cows, leaf lowers and gas stoves are destroying the planet. They all appear to me (and I don’t know any of them) to be shallow, self absorbed and cowardly.
Didn't know that about Redgrave ....So rare...like a roger waters rare..
Being around the industry it occurred to me they all want to live some Hollywood royalty existence and not be ostracized in that world.. so they either shut up go along or are in on it... Money and fame tends to rot their integrity from the outside in ... but they are great at virtue signaling performance theatrics... Most of the rank and file employees do to but i hear bits and bobs of alternative thinking from the regular worker drones they often exploit.
The fact is that media and entertainment institutions in the US maintain an iron wall of solidarity with the zionists and are a core pillar of the US support for this effort.
The fact is also that there is a vastly disproportionate percentage of the leadership and ownership of these industries, by people’s whos ethnic background (a factor the US society is very obsessed classifying and highlighting in all other aspects of life…except here) is linked to Israel.
If these were Chineses Americans in charge of a media and cultural sector that held the line on radical chinese practices that involved apartheid and mass murder……no one would be pussyfooting around the issue. No one would hesitate to call out the dissonance.
But here we see an attempt to throw in the “anti-s……” card. Again. And again. And again. Stop.
It walks like a duck. It quacks like a duck. Because it is a duck. Stop pretending everything else.
Even if a particular ethnicity does control Hollywood, whether that is Jewish or Chinese or whatever, I don't see that it is OK to call out ALL Jews or ALL Chinese people. What about those white Christians who have been trying to take over everything everywhere they go? So are ALL Christians culpable for what SOME Christians do?
No one called MLK a n anti Christian or a self hating Christian when he wrote over and over that the Christian community was a corrosive element helping to perpetuate Jim Crow racism and apartheid.
Similarly no one should feel they cannot point out that the Jewish community is in the same position today as Christians were back then.
It is what is.
Spend more time on changing the behaviour instead of complaining and trying to smear those who identified the behaviour.
Judaism is an identifiable religion- and at this time this religion needs to align itself with human rights values and take a CLEAN separation from these genocidal forces assembled and acting in its name.
Excommunicate them or whatever you have to do. Ban them from your temples.
Same as everyone demanded when they accused the Muslims of tolerating terrorism.
I’m saying when Hollywood and the media are in fact controlled predominantly by people of Jewish background who hold clearly Zionist sympathies it’s perfectly legitimate to identify the background of those people and the policies they are pursuing. There is a problem in the U.S. with a set of people of Jewish background and with Israeli connections, using their positions as oligarchs in the U.S. to block public discourse and protest of Israeli apartheid and genocide.
But every time people point of plain facts the same old red herring tactics are flung out
I agree with you, I think. But in the comments here there are often by people who refer to Jews as the problem, not only in connection with Hollywood. I think it is more important now, than before October 7, to be careful how we criticize people because there are so many times when speaking in support of Palestine or in opposition to what the State of Israel is doing that people lose their jobs or are wrongly accused of antisemitism. I am not saying this to protect people who call out undue influence of the Israel lobby on American foreign policy. I am saying this to make sure that we continue to criticize the State of Israel and the Israel Lobby, and don't blanket criticize all Jews. I want us to avoid being accused of antisemitism in the hope that eventually those who need to see will see that the State of Israel and the Israel Lobby are responsible for a lot of deaths, pain and suffering.
AS i agree with you Susan i also can not get around the shear numbers of Jewish folks who even if out of ignorance and propaganda support and run cover for this genocide... And all of it for 80 years...I think statistics are not always a good measure bit the math don't lie here. It is the responsibility of the Jewish community to hold themselves to account and if they don't we have to..despite their supremacist mindset that tells them "HOW DARE YOU! "
It’s not an abstract “lobby” that is sponsoring this killing machine. It’s specific people - and the are doing it militantly and in the name of a specific religion.
You make a valid point ...but indeed USA being known as a Christian nation has plenty of Christian dysfunction built right into it...and they just happens to aligned perfectly with Jewish Zionists psycology of a punitive exploitative corrupt social order.. Not to mention unabashed colonialism and imperialism justified and normalized..
That said i know many Jewish and Christians who keep their religions in the spirit intended ...i worked with several older Jewish and christian ladies on Palestinian support and protest campaigns spent time with their families and at meetings AS well as Muslims and Islamic folk and Palestinians all working together..All lovely kind decent folks i call close endearing friends to this day.
And i also shielded and protected them from Zionist trying to attack and spit on them at some of our protests..
I have never agreed with the mass American Japanese internment into camps after the Pearl Harbor attack, and wouldn't today. So no - don't buy your walks and quacks like a duck argument at all.
Anyone doing the math on this knows the Jewish supremacist influence on Hollywood culture and western society is deep and profound and not all good.... as Chapel said " a lot of jews"---"I mean alot"
Oh I agree that the entire industry is populated with representatives of every walk of life...
I worked on a project where a Jew a German and a Japanese and Muslim in the same room worked on WW2 film soundtracks and at one point we all realized it and had a laugh about it and praised the fact we all could be there together in friendship.
And how far we have come sins then.
But the industry heads, and upper control manegment are all outwardly Israel supporters. And if anyone speaks out too forcfully you will find yourself on the outs pretty quick so most just keep it about the work..and leave the politics for your private life.
Even though on social media I have been outspoken and knew it was seen by others in the biz. But nI one denies the heavy influence of Jews in our industry..it's like a running joke everyone accepts.
I agree, but humans being what they are, if Chinese Americans controlled Hollywood, etc., actors would stay silent about radical Chinese practices that involved apartheid and mass murder. We need look no farther than the fine example that chicken shit John Cena who apologized to the Chinese government - in hastily learned Mandarin - for some off the cuff remark he made about China the government took offense to - as an example of the personal integrity and courage of this minuscule subset of the population.
I saw this comment a few years ago and it seems fairly accurate
Zionism hides behind anti-Semitism and expertly manipulates Hollywood and all forms of propaganda, including the fake news mainstream media that serves two masters — Zionism and the Deep State. Zionism is indefensible by the truth and relies on lies, bribery, and blackmail to get its way. The nine million loyal American Jews are not Zionists and they are not the problem.
The general fault is nationalism -- the belief that people of one's own kind are somehow better and more deserving of consideration than people of other kinds. One of the pathological traits we are going to need to get rid of somehow. What was it they said about patriotism? The last refuge of a scoundrel?
Let's at least recognize this part of the general problem.
No one will go any further that Kamala's call for a "temporary cease fire so all the hostages can be freed". They might even mention "humanitarian relief": but that would be a "bold statement".
And her delivery of those remarks while commemorating Bloody Sunday in Selma Alabama was a cynical insult to history.
I thought Harris's contribution was a cat's paw, an experiment to see what can be gotten away with. The insanity of the Gaza massacres has probably occasioned some factional disputes among our rulers given its high cost, but they don't know how to play it yet.
I think a sop would be more innocent. There is no excuse or mitigation for Biden, but I think his handlers are experimenting with ways to possibly get him off the karmic hook. What a job!
Yeah i think we're in danger of not letting ourselves point out observable facts. Jewish people are overrepresented as the head of studios and power in Hollywood (though Tom Cruise and the scientologists are influential among actors). Jewish people (including those who are also openly support the genocide such as Simon Schaema and Hadley Freeman) though they arer a small percentage of the population are overrepresented in British media and journalism and are allowed to share their views in national newspapers.
It would be foolish and illogical to say that the skewing of representation doesn't have a huge influence on the narrative and how likely people who want to work or make films are to speak out against a Jewish nation.
Should we assume that a journalist or studio owner, who have massive power and influence, who is also Jewish, who doesn't condemn the genocide are in fact Zionists and complicit in genocide?
"Oddly enough I looked up the CEO heads of the Studios. Disney, Bob Iger is a Jew. CEO of Warner Brothers, David Zaslow is a Jew. CEO of paramount pictures - Brian Robbins is also Jewish."
Why oddly enough? This has been the case since the motion picture industry started.
"Just because someone is Jewish does not automatically mean they are a Zionist or support genocide."
That is true. I never said all Jews support the genocide.
"What you're doing here is insinuating if you're simply Jewish, then you automatically are for genocide."
Now, you are using the logic of a two-year-old. How would you know what I am insinuating?
"Not all Jewish people support Zionism."
But the majority does, especially the wealthy ones.
I believe that Only the very committed will speak against the hand that feeds them . Whether jew, christian, faux christian zionist or other. None will speak for Palestine. We shall see very soon where their conscience lies.
This is exactly the kind of talk the jews used against the nazis stereotyped generalizations that were unfairly applied in a hateful manner. Not all german people support nazis
There does seem to be an intriguing schizophrenia in Jewish culture that requires explanation., whereby many of the Jewish intelligentsia and cultural elites virtue-signal pro-Palestinian, while especially ever since October 7 (as if a collective memo went out) many of them, perhaps a majority, are virtual-signalling pro-Israel (see Douglas Murray for the most unctuous displays of such).
Name a single person in Hollywood or the media who has ever lost their job, been canceled and/or seen their careers whither for supporting Israel/Zionists. Now try the same mental exercise with Palestine/Palestinians.
True, they may not be vocal about it, and as you say due to fear regarding their careers, but I'm sure almost all do not support what Israel is doing. It will be interesting to watch and if they do speak up it will be a very good day and indicative of things might just be changing. We'll see.
Jon Stewart and John Oliver have been good about calling out the evil genocidal Israelis and either one or both are Jewish. So that's good.
But I've seen literally nobody advocating a one or even two state solution or full Palestinian equality in Israel, let alone their UN declared RIGHT to resist a violent occupation violently.
No your not going to find public figures willing to stand up to truth and justice, too afraid to be ostracized. and the lobby has instilled public figures with real fear, well those who have a lot to lose should they go against their talking points. It's ugly.
So much for the usa/the West being democracies. Just look at how the usa can mass murder some 2966 in the Twin Towers on 9/11 and the Pentagon, PA and very few care. Then the usa goes on from their preplanned 9/11 false flag to mass murder another 4 to 6 million folks in all their illegal invasions. That is more than the G Holocaust.
Then there is all the other usa Holocausts, the biggest one the American Holocaust which includes canada and all of Latin American nations, STILL going on to this day.
It would certainly be a monumental start to destroying the Israel Lobby and the stronghold they have.
All it would take is one person to come out and say Israel has to much power and the time has come to remove all of it. Then think forward all it would take is one audience member to stand and cheer and the entire theater would do the same. It would be a standing ovation for several minutes that would then make the news for days and days upon end.
Well, normally I wouldn't watch the Oscars, but in the past I did. During Trump's presidency they said things, nasty things, but then everyone was doing it and I saw that as nothing more then a kind of opportunism, no risk involved. I've been reading about the Jewish lobby and it's scary how they could ruin you. So my guess is that people might say something like they are wishing for peace in the world, but nothing accusatory, or specific and that's as far as they will go. Maybe if everyone did it there might be a chance since the lobby couldn't go about destroying everyone, too obvious. Well, this time I will watch.
As an aside, I find it rich how the #resistance acts like brave freedom fights facing down evil, when they're backed by Hollywood, major corporations, and the FBI, CIA and NSA, to name a few.
Yeah I vaguely remember that. Thing is Stewart will actually criticize Israel and Zionists. But I'm sure Sanchez' job would have been perfectly safe if he made comments about Palestinians or Arabs.
You might want to find Ritter's article on Gonzalo Lira being an asset for the Ukraine SBU.
Criticism can be used to deflect action. Look at how Joe Biden is criticizing Israel while still shipping tons of bombs.
From the above article. Gee, sounds to me like he's pointing fingers at the ultimate prevaricator Netanyahu.
"Sanchez: I'm telling you that everybody who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart, and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart. And to imply that somehow they – the people in this country who are Jewish – are an oppressed minority? Yeah."
I guess I'm just trying to say that believing in "everything Stewart" because he mouths a few words you agree with, isn't going to get you to the conclusions you need.
No, he's (Sanchez) not Arab. People are getting confused here. My thought experiment was find someone in Hollywood or media getting fired/canceled for speaking in FAVOR of Israel and then to find someone getting fired/canceled for speaking in FAVOR of Palestinian rights (or by implication the Israeli treatment of Palestinians).
For the former, you can't. Nobody in Hollywood or the media in recent history has ever lost their job or been ostracized for vocally SUPPORTING Israel whether on the air or in their own writings. Numerous people have been fired/canceled (or stopped getting parts) for SUPPORTING Palestinian rights and criticizing Israel's treatment of them.
Yes, you are right, Susan, But Realist also is right in that many have not made the grade or continued a film career for the reasons mentioned. The same reason that all will be quiet at the Oscars this year as well.
One example, Mel Gibson.
This sublimation by the empire managers to an unholy bunch of murdering misfits, needs to cease, now
A comment from an ex-Senator in the USA named James Abourezk……..
“The public must realise that far from being an asset, Israel is a chronic liability that squanders billions of American dollars, drags the United States into wars and whose genocidal treatment of the Palestinians is radically destroying America’s moral pretensions in most of the world.”
The USA is burning its bridges, one by one. Ralph Nader today suggested that the death toll in Palesrtine is really 200,000, not that this figure will have any effect of the criminal Congress, the likes of Schumer, Blinken the wandering Jew or people like Nuland, now on the way out.
Mel Gibson did it to himself, with one drunken night to many. And he pretty much insinuated what Realist just insinuated in the original post, that all jews are responsible for some "evil" - in Mel's case, it was all the wars in the world.
It wasn't because Hollywood does indeed have quite a few CEOs who are Jewish - it was because Gibson exposed to the public a personal character flaw that was so egregious - people didn't want to be associated with him anymore.
By the way, I still watch Braveheart from time to time - an amazing film. It's really sad his career took a hit after that fateful drunken day.
You mean -after- they had been propagandized by the Jewish Lobby?
I'm sure you've heard, "All wars are banker's wars".
The corollary, "All bankers are Jews".
Now, think carefully about what I'm suggesting here.
This is NOT an indictment of -all- Jews.
Refer to the Pew study that only 5.8% of the US population is Jewish. It should be obvious that small minority has influence over US politics that far, far, far outweighs their numbers.
I know that many people do not seem to care about what is happening in Gaza. Still, I think it is important to think about how we say what we need to say and don't increase the actual antisemitism. We need to be able to critique the claims that speaking against the State of Israel is antisemitic which means we need to think about not confusing the term "Jew" with the term "State of Israel"; make it very clear that our criticism is of the State of Israel or Netanyahu and not a criticism of anyone for being Jewish.
Agreed, as would most readers, I am sure. Caitlin too.
However, I do feel that calling someone antisemitic has been used as a weapon by Jewish people as well as the media, primarily in the USA, where a population has seen its political class discard their once held values for financial support, just to maintain a well paid seat in government. 86% fit that bill in Congress alone. From then on, needing to toe the line. Hence we see support for genocide, multi billions in aid for inhumane acts, still in progress.
It has since become a tool with which to beat down opposition to anything stated that is in any way a criticism of questionable Jewish behaviour as well, of which there has been a great deal in recent times.
If there was a similar phrase, such as antiArabicism would we be screaming about this every day as we see and hear the disturbing comments by members of the Israeli Knesset and the people of Israel. I won't list them but in my lifetime, I have never heard such disgraceful comments against a race of people, that is Palestinians, even against the Nazis in WWII.
After 9-11 I heard many disgusting comments about Muslims and people of Arabic descent. It would seem that people have a difficult time seeing that there are horrible people of all religions and ethnicities as well as really fine people. There are certainly many Christians who have committed horrible crimes. I think it is very important right now to be careful not to be antisemitic so that as the State of Israel commits its actual crimes we can speak out against them and underscore what we are saying as being against the State of Israel and not against all Jews. I think that right now it is more important even than it was before October 7th to be really careful to use clear language and to make it clear that what we oppose is what the State of Israel and its military is doing to Palestinian people and to Gaza.
That is true but over the last half century many impartial skilled observers have maintained that almost from its inception Jews have been its controlling force. Not a majority but a controlling minority
LMAO you gotta see Dave Chapelle 2022 Nov Sat Night Live Opener. It’s roughly 12min have had some trouble finding it as of late….GTFO 🤣
It might be comedy but it’s the fucking truth thru and thru. And just notice how there are no comedies from the entertainment industry poking fun at Zionists or Orthodoxy. It’s full throttle make fun of Christians. Who then turn around and support the goddamn Zionists 🤪🤪🤪🤪
Well, that will just give us more names of actors and directors and producers to boycott until they see the error of their ways and come out in support of the Palestinian people. #FreePalestine #BoycottTheOscars
"If there were an Oscar for best theatrical performance by a country, Israel would win every year. It's a country based on theater. It's a lunatic state - completely insane."
If the number of celebrities who have spoken out so far against Israel's genocide is any indication, I wouldn't expect much at the Oscars. And not from Robert di Niro. They'll probably have Yulia Navalny present the Oscar for Best Foreign Picture.
Writers like George Orwell and French philosopher Simone Weil actually lived in poverty for extended periods so they could write with real authority and empathy on their subjects. Orwell was a bum on the streets of Paris for a time and Weil ruined her health due to living as the poor did and died prematurely. Can you imagine such dedication from a journalist today?
Weil wrote a book calling for the abolition of political parties ( available on Amazon) claiming they ultimately become self serving totalitarians which is just what they are today.
Political parties SHOULD be abolished and full participatory democracy returned to the people in the form of Peoples' Assemblies or Village Meetings where we all decide what's to be what in our lives just like in pre-NATO Libya. Gaddafi was against political parties too. His Green Book is here: http://openanthropology.org/libya/gaddafi-green-book.pdf
Pg 13 of the pdf of his book reveals that:
"The party is a contemporary form of dictatorship. It is the modern instrument of dictatorial government. The party is the rule of a part over the whole. As a party is not an individual, it creates a superficial democracy by establishing assemblies, committees, and propaganda through its members. The party is not a democratic instrument because it is composed only of those people who have common interests, a common perception or a shared culture; or those who belong to the same region or share the same belief. They form a party to achieve their ends, impose their will, or extend the dominion of their beliefs, values, and interests to the society as a whole. A party’s aim is to achieve power under the pretext of carrying out its program. Democratically, none of these parties should govern a whole people who constitute a diversity of interests, ideas, temperaments, regions and beliefs. The party is a dictatorial instrument of government that enables those with common outlooks or interests to rule the
people as a whole. Within the community, the party represents a minority.
"The purpose of forming a party is to create an instrument to rule the people, i.e., to rule over non-members of the party."
Jack London did it before and could have been the model for George Orwell.
There were also some committed photographers and historians in the Federal Art Project during the depression that lived on the road and with the people. Same thing previously with "How the Other Half Lives" and progressives like Jane Addams Hull House for immigrants, et al. I'd put Upton Sinclair in this camp too.
None of them care.... They just want to maintain the status quo.. THEY ARE THE SYSTEM!
Why do you think that the entire country has been brain washed into the paradigm of american mythology of its exceptionalism and propagandized and infantiled into mindless obedient tax paying serfs that have not an ounce of original thought in their dumb fuck brain down to its stems that was not curated by the systems admins in the establishment and Hollywood and political world and news society? add in every lap dog allied nations that follow them around like sycophantic little poodles...
Celebrity's just sell the great western lies to the unsuspecting checked out rural numpty, and laugh their way to banks and parties and photo opps.
If you're talking about Americans, I really don't think most Americans think their country is just great. There is a lot of dissatisfaction in regard to American policies and things in general. I don't hear people running around singing America's praises. Mostly it's this or that really stinks. Did I misunderstand you.
The only reason people are somewhat waking up is because the abuse has become so bad and lies so blatant and the greed and manipulation so intense its starting to hurt people directly (as all abusers do eventually) .. economic suffering is the worst its ever been and all perpetrated by the very people i talk about...so its the PAIN that is waking them up not the intellectual courage it would have took to see it far way back to have stopped it... because i was warning of it way back when, and was told to move if i don't like it here,, and here we are,,,
One thing is true of Americans and that is they don't have a very good, global perspective on things, and maybe it due to being geographically separate to much of the world. I had a an uncle who was an engineer in the merchant marines, and as a teenager I became aware of his global perspective on things which I thought was really nice and I try to maintain that perspective as well. I think that's where Americans fall short.
I agree, and grammar school teachers don't make much of an effort to teach it. However I do think people in America feel less connected to the world as a whole, and we're special. Kidding.
My grandfather on my moms side was a lieutenant colonel in ww3,, he was an american and married my moms mom, and my mom married a Frenchmen .(thus me eventually) .. so not blood but he was the only grandfather i knew and was a really decent guy too... but that was a different generation..
And yeah most Americans never left their back yards but think they know all about the world due to the TV one way lie machine...
I happen to work around them my whole career... I see a lot of mindless main stream going along..they think that they need to to maintain the celebrity status and ingratiate themselves with the public and the public must be mind control to sell them their entertainment that translates into corporate sales and this is why they all work together to keep the public malleable to manipulation through news films tv and social conditioning...
Do you live in America? I don't really see a lot of really happy Americans running around in love with their country. In fact a lot of people I know do a lot of bitching and I can understand why. Funny a couple of cousins, pretty young and still working talk about retiring to Italy, and one just mentioned because of better health care. There are people that defend everything American, even their wars, but there are a whole lot who are not like that. Most Americans are trying to get through their days, I think they would like to portray us that way, but since I'm a kid I never had that perspective on the average American. By the way you should hear Americans bitch about our health care system.
Americans health care system is nothing to do with health and everything to do with MONEY! ONLY ..the "health" part is just treating symptoms with drugs they can make money off of.
Yes, and I've worked in the health care community. and things have really changed. No more local family doctors, and now hospitals and doctors practices are corporately owned.I don't blame them, and I'm not defending America in this regard, just people, ordinary people.
My old country doctor in LA has gotten too old to practice...he was great... and let me pay in cash for little things.. yeah the problem is mom and pop everything is evaporating! makes me sad .
Well fran ...at my age i may be very jaded at this point...lol
I have seen a lot..been all around the world and met lots of different peoples..
I think my IRE can be summed up in my wish and desire to see a better America ,,but i hate that we are the main problem in the world..I was born of immigrants and grew up in the states..i have been probably to every singe state excluding Alaska at least once.. My father was french my mother German, I'm a baby boomer from the war... But i was not your typical middle american ...grew up near cities lived in NYC and was a musician and technical person for studios etc and now am near hollywood so i'm not just the typical "white guy " angry about the lost 50's or whatever they get on about... I'm a mixed bag of beliefs that span liberal to conservative and way outside most of those narrow conventions and paradigms.. I rank on the USA because i want it to be better and i hate that its citizens are so DUMB!! and terribly prone to the brain washing they are under 24/7
I don't blame you and agree our American policies are self serving here and abroad,. In that regard we suck! Politically even as a kid i didn't like us!!!!!! I learned to separate the people from my government that I never really trusted. Not even as a child.
One on one in my daily life i meet the best people so my anger over all this is general..i get along with most people..(might not know that by my ranting HA!)
I have a whole bunch of great people around me even in the belly of the hollywood beast
Caitlin, I agree, as always. What I hope is that in the winners’ group, there will be at least one person with the guts of George Galloway, Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, Glenn Greenwald, Katie Halper, or Aaron Mate to call out Israel’s genocide for what it is. You'll notice that these people are all Jews (except George) who have defied upbringing, but, then, they weren't raised in Israel.
As for your saying this genocide is not about Jewishness but about settler-colonialism, I would make one disagreement. It's the knowledge of the leadership Jews in Israel that they are absolutely superior to all others. And most of the people there deeply believe this, as well. They really believe that the Palestinians are nothing and worthless. When I was there, the arrogance and obvious sense of superiority was thick in the air. Hard to explain unless you've witnessed it in person. The Torah is taken seriously... these are God's "chosen," and when a kid is indoctrinated to believe that from birth, it's almost unshakable. That's how the IDF can deliberately sniper little kids in the head without any sense they are doing wrong whatsoever....and laugh about it later, with no guilt. It's amazing. I had to go "outside" to Gaza or the West Bank to find warmth, genuine kindness and welcoming…and finding it was like coming out of cold and walking into sunshine.
I lived in a Jewish community for 8 years. The sense of superiority was also thick in the air, and this was not in Israel. Support for Israel was 100% however. This was a very democrat or liberal leaning community. We were treated well mostly by the older generation, but for some it felt almost obligatory, like we were some kind of social experiment. They loved my Christmas lights, as it was the only house with it during December. Did they love it though? The younger families actively avoided us and especially kept their kids away from mine. Maybe they worried I’d infect them with my Jesusness? One time however the neighbors teenage girl asked me why I cut my own grass, as if I was breaking some cultural rule. I told her it was therapeutic for me. She asked, ‘why don’t you just let Miguel do it’, Miguel? I thought, who’s he?’ Then realized she was describing the landscapers, generally. So what’s this all mean? Are Jewish people all fascist racists posing as humanitarians to prove their liberal virtue to each other? Nah, I tend to think they are victims of the same American propaganda machine we all are afflicted with. I now live in a moderately Christian community, conservative leaning, but not Jesus freaks either. I’m lucky to get flipped off, let alone engaged in virtue boosting conversations with these neighbors. I miss my Jewish neighbors to be honest. At least they had a sense of humor.
Michael, Thank you for your interesting comment. Gideon Levy who writes for Haaretz in Israel says the Jews are three things: Superior to all others (God's chosen children), the eternal victims (no one else can be in that category... they kept out an Armenian Holocaust room from being included in the Holocaust Museum in D.C.), and think of the Palestinians (and I say other groups) as bugs beneath their feet, to be crushed underfoot since they are nothing. But you're are right, they have a sense of humor. However, those in the leadership of Israel today are exceptions to that, having no humor at all; humor implies some kind of sensitivity. They were thrilled that Hamas attacked. That gave them leave to exterminate the Palestinians.
The Intercept and Democracy Now are not only stealing from the Grayzone but from the Electronic Intifada and Mondoweiss too. Really disappointed with Jeremy Scahill and Ryan Grim.
Max Blumenthal made the comment that the Intercept and Democracy Now are reaching for “respectability”. Sort of to be like a North American version of The Guardian.
We need a different system. Those in power "make those decisions because they are corrupt and evil"; they are interested in making money for themselves or for their friends and relatives. Most schmoes off the street are not making all the money that is coming into the US from the sale of all those weapons of war. I really appreciate your second to last paragraph. This is not about Jews. It is about the State of Israel. BTW, some real estate agents from Israel and the US were here in Montreal offering to sell real estate from the West Bank.....in a synagogue. Many Jews were very vocal and distraught about their synagogue being used to sell illegal real estate to Canadians.
"Most schmoes off the street are not making all the money that is coming into the US from the sale of all those weapons of war. "
The money is printed and goes more or less directly to arms manufacturers. No domestic goods or services are produced to spend it on. The result is price increases and devaluation of the dollar. https://science1arts2and3politics.substack.com/p/why-the-usa-has-inflation Wealth does not increase, it is redistributed.
"The cult isn’t bad because there aren’t enough nice cult members, the cult is bad because its entire purpose, function and founding doctrine is bad."
I've met lots of "nice Democrats" and "nice Republicans" in my time, but I never forget they're still doing evil things like supporting a genocide and/or supporting pro-genocide candidates. We really have to get past the surface details and look deep into the heart of all organizations and their members. If they're doing evil things like genocide, then they're an evil organization/cult. Get away from the cult and encourage your friends/family in the cult to de-program themselves and leave asap. You'll thank yourself for it later when the rest of us come to lock up the cult leaders.
"After seeing how horrifyingly murderous and reckless this Democrat president has turned out to be, I hope US leftists have fully let go of all the guilt liberals tried to heap on them for not rallying behind the Democrat in 2016. It was all a lie. They’re as bad as Republicans."
This is where they get Americans. On some issues, domestic policies do differ significantly between the Demorats and Rethuglicans, however based on the Democrats' record, they mainly just playact about them (abortion, the environment, social safety net, healthcare, education, etc.) because they never seem to improve no matter who's in power, and it has become a Good Cop/Bad Cop farce that moves the government and Overton Window farther and farther right - or, if you will - into the controlling hands of oligarchical financial rentier class interests with the accompanying fascistic surveillance, police-prison state erosion of civil rights.
On foreign policy it's a straight up Lose-Lose "Equivalent of Two Evils" scenario. The names of the "bad guys" may change (slightly and less so than ever), but it's the same warmongering, fearmongering propaganda and illegal use of military force abroad either directly, through military proxies, or via economic warfare (see: Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, etc.). I don't know if "irony" is the correct word to use here, but it is "ironic" that in order to carry out their preferred foreign policy and continue feeding the MIC beast, they must by default crack down on dissent domestically by way of censorship, criminalizing protest, deplatforming, blacklisting, and imprisoning truth tellers and whistleblowers. Just like the Evil _____ (insert your choice: Russkies, CCP, Iranians, etcetera).
At one time democrats really were more liberal and advocated for policies that benefited the average American, now they are no different and maybe even worse then republicans where there seems to be growing diversity among them. In America if you speak truth to power you're a goner.
Great last section as it applies to a few in this forum. Hope they recognize themselves and take a moment to contemplate and "In short, don’t let your opposition to Israeli atrocities turn you into a moron"
Hollywood fillms create a false narrative in so many genres...
Most people cannot see the depth & breadth of Zionism.
Unfortunately Judaism is used as a foundation for many Zionist claims.
All religion is fraud.
If everyone would simply speak in the universal languages of ethics, values, logic, morals, reason, science, peace & love, and discontinue the fraudulent dialogs of religions & governments, humanity could evolve to eliminate the purposed fraudulent narratives of governments and religions.
"Don’t try to make Israeli atrocities about Judaism"
The Zionists and Israeli's themselves make - and justify - the atrocities based on Judaism. They claim that God gave the land ("One Israel") to the Jews and it says so in the Bible. They claim Jews are the "chosen people". That claim alone is far worse than "US Exceptionalism" that fuels US Imperialism. They call Palestinians "Amalek" and say the Bible tells them to slaughter them all. The Far Far Far right (fascists) in control of political and military power in Israel right now are dominated by these views of Judaism. Public opinion is overwhelmingly in support of the genocide.
Why should all this be ignored out of fear of undermining the Palestinian cause or being called an anti-Semite?
>>"The Zionists and Israeli's themselves make - and justify - the atrocities based on Judaism."
Yes, and that is precisely why CJ says what she does. Why would you believe anything a Zionist says?
Here's the Zionist rationale behind conflating themselves with "all Jews" and Judaism:
There are anti-Zionist Jews that support Palestine and there are Zionist Jews that support Israel. These two groups clash with each other and have a long history of conflicts. There were also anti-Zionist Jews before the creation of Israel that were against Zionist Jews. One (simplified) way of thinking about the differences and conflicts between these different Jewish factions is to think of it in terms of something like a Civil War. These two groups are at odds with each other. The non-Zionist Jews are fighting with the rest of the Palestinian supporters - and they are an important part of the fight against Zionist Jews - and they need our support since we (supporters of Palestine) share the same goals. So, the strategy of the Zionists to weaken an important part of their opposition (which is anti-Zionist Jews) is to confuse, conflate, and gaslight everyone into thinking that Zionism represents all Jews, that Zionism represents Judaism, that all that Zionists do is in the name of all Jews and Judaism. And this is blatantly FALSE. (There is a reason why "Not In My Name" was chosen as a slogan).
I hope my explanation makes sense to you (I didn't have enough time to formulate my answer in a more organized way).
We should all take heed of Caitlin's timely warning. Please do not fall into the trap of conflating the Jewish race with the horrors inflicted on the Palestinians by an Israeli regime. I have noticed a few of our posts with good hearts and the best of intentions, overtaken by sorrow at the plight of fellow human beings tending to overlook this truth.
Israel is a settler - colonial state doing what other settler - colonial states ( of different races, cultures and religions ) did in another time and place. Just as they stand condemned, so does Israel. What makes it more horrendous is that the carnage is happening now right before our eyes. And it's a carnage than never before. Keep our empathy and support ( for what its worth ) for the Palestinian people pure so that it will have more impact. We should not debase our compassion by going down to the level of those who are not only blind to the suffering but aid and abet a genocide.
But you have to be born into it, like Hinduism. And many Jews are not religious. It is held together by inheritance of tradition, common blood and attitudes. You could call it a tribe or a culture.
Patrick Powers - I'm not sure what your understanding of Hinduism is. But you DO NOT need to be born into Hinduism to be a Hindu. Where did you get this idea from?
Mike, Jews are not a race. People who identify as Jewish include individuals of enormously diverse geographic origins and physical appearances, making the idea that Jews could easily be designated a race in the sense of shared physical or biological characteristics implausible. Jews historically have defined themselves as a people, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Converts are also considered descendants of these patriarchal ancestors. Colloquially, Jews also sometimes describe themselves as a tribe.
The idea of race — whether applied to Jews or another group — is itself a problem. Generally used today to denote categories of people based on certain shared characteristics, typically physical appearance, this method of categorization was once prevalent in the scientific community. But many scientists now believe that differentiating human populations on the basis of shared physical traits is obsolete and that racial categories are primarily social constructs with little correlation to anything scientists can measure.
Jews are a race, like Germans are a race, like Britons are a race, like Catholics are a race, like republicans are a race, like capitalists are a race…..well, you get the idea.
I beg to differ. In New York as a Kindergartner in 1954, my elementary school was 90% Jewish. I still have my kindergarten picture. I was blond as anything. All but two of the rest of the class have dark dark hair and dark skin, as well as distinctive features. If Judaism were simply a religion, you would not be able to tell any difference between me and the other children.
"Oscar Winners Who Don't Speak Out On Gaza This Weekend Will Be Complicit In Genocide."
I hope you won't be too disappointed. If the winners want a chance to win again, they will keep their mouths shut. Hollywood is run by Jews, for Jews, and gives no quarter to dissent on the Israeli narrative.
Oddly enough I looked up the CEO heads of the Studios. Disney, Bob Iger is a Jew. CEO of Warner Brothers, David Zaslow is a Jew. CEO of paramount pictures - Brian Robbins is also Jewish. One of the greatest directors of our generation, Steven Spielberg is also Jewish.
So your statement is true. But your logic is that of a two year old. Just because someone is Jewish does not automatically mean they are a Zionist or support genocide.
However, I with Caitlin will be seeing who there in Hollywood will speak out against this ongoing horrific act against humanity, these sadistic crimes against innocent children - and will watch to see who among them condemns the genocide, or if they support Israel instead. And whatever religion they believe in, or whether they are an Atheist is irrelevant - they condemn themselves as depraved (or shallow) human beings and are complicit in this savagery against humanity. Our humanity - the world's humanity.
What you're doing here is insinuating if you're simply Jewish, then you automatically are for genocide. That is exactly the kind of talk the German Nazis used against the Jews - stereotyped generalizations that were unfairly applied in a hateful manner. Not all Jewish people support Zionism.
One of the best organizations protesting the genocide in Gaza is Jewish Voice For Peace.
Soon to be declared a terrorist organization.
I think they effectively already are, because ADL Reports "document" a "dramatic rise in anti-semitic events", which include protests and public statements against the genocide or in support of a "free Palestine". That's "hate speech" and borderline terrorism too, right? People are being jailed for that in UK and Germany right now. How long before US National Security State makes that a formal designation under US law?
Nope. The organization housed in the building named in honour of Americas foremost fascist J.Edgar Hoover….carries on the tradition of mainly criminalising protest movements of marginalised and poor people:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/10/11/297024/
OCTOBER 11, 2023
The FBI’s Long History of Criminalizing Dissent
Not rich “white” ones.
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That will mean...they are actually telling the truth!
Or it could mean that Patrick's post was meant to persuade you to come to your unjustified conclusion. I'm not saying one way or the other. I'm just trying to listen to Snowden's advice on apophenia .
Jewish Voice For Peace is not a part of the msm, let alone Hollywood.
Max Blumenthal (the Grayzone) and Aaron Mate are also Jewish and very vocal about it, but they are not part of the msm.
They are getting attacked and labeled as we are.
But the fact is that 98% of the msm is in the hands of the Jews (Zionists).
The most powerful weapon there is - is the information, because, he who controls the information (flow), controls your brain.
Winning (their) wars without a single bullet being shot.
Then they should stop the kabuki and go protest at their temple or at their community center - to their leaders. Which happen to also be the leaders of their country. This would be more direct and honest than symbolic public protest.
Jesus went and preached among the sinners. Not to the converted.
"Jew(Zionists)"
Jew and Zionists are not the same, so I don't know why you put these words together like this
I find it "interesting" that the only time I ever hear about the "Jewish Voice for Peace" is when someone wants to insist "all Jews aren't bad". Are they really just a front?
Now, Finkelstein, Mate, Blumenthal, and Halper, these are some Jews I can support.
Pew says there are 5.8M Jews in the USA about 2.4% of the US population
JVP says it has nearly 800K members
These numbers say "something". What that "something" is, I can't quite determine or adequately even formulate a question or hypothesis.
I can't help but think of "The squad" and Bernie Sanders when I think about this "something".
I think you've totally misconstrued realists point caused by a serious dose of hostility - "just because someone is Jewish does not automatically mean they are a Zionist or support genocide" but it also does not mean they are willing to risk everything to admit it!
Therefore, remaining silent like Caitlin has continually said, is just as culpable. If you stand and watch a building burn while people are begging for help and you refuse to call the fire dept, are you not just as responsible for their deaths?
It is a known fact Hollywood is owned and operated by the Jews. This goes back decades. Another example - Harvey Weinstein remained protected for how many years - when everyone in Hollywood knew but was to AFRAID to speak up? Why might that be? Meryl Streep even kept her mouth shut - whereas she had nothing to lose. WHY? What was she afraid of? The only one who has any sort of chutzpa is Susan Saradon. As the Brits would say bless her little cottons for standing up and risking it all.
Itis no different then the situation in Gaza and remaining silent for the sake of your career! I have said repeatedly I would be willing to sacrifice my own life if we here in the USA are eventually attacked for all we have done to exacerbate this genocide - if it meant the end to ever staring another war or facilitating one. Five Hundred thousand people have now been killed in Ukraine all because of us.
Everyone willing to kill and be killed - what wonderful thinking. It's Susan Sarandon (not Saradon).
I remember watching her host the Mythos series. That gave me a boner. She's had an envious career as an actress. I thought she was great in "The Lovely Bones". Has "chutzpa" for sure. Didn't like some of her brown nosing with Sanders when it was obvious he sold his movement down the river. But then, many of us were duped by him. So, *shrug*.
Did you know both her and her ex-husband were close friends with Gore Vidal?
I imagine she's been friends with quite a few remarkable people. The people she's known in her life because of both her long (varied) acting career and activism must be impressive by any standard - a rich soul. I'm jealous that she knew and she worked with Peter Jackson! Didn't know that about Vidal.
Hollywood being completely controlled by people of Jewish ancestry actually goes back to the very beginning more than a century ago. It was that way from day one. No one who knows any of the history of Hollywood would deny that unless they want to lie about it. I'm going to go out on a limb and say this subject will not be broached by a single person who walks up on that stage. No one is going to bite the hand that feeds and they have nothing to gain personally from doing so. Just the opposite. Personal gain is really about all those people care about anyway.
It may be so that they are in charge since 100 ago, but the tide was shifted with the movie Pawnbroker from the 1964.
Up till then the RCC (Roman Catholic Church - that I can't stand) were in charge what would be broadcasted on the TV (no explicit scenes, no kissing, no sex scenes or scenes that insinuate sex .. and of course ... no criticism of the church).
All of that changed with the Pawnbroker - story of the Holocaust survivor with lot of sex scenes in it - in the context of Nazi atrocities (rape and so on).
There was not single ONE institution, president, PM, Pope, that dared to ban a movie about the Holocaust.
Nobody dared and that was a (new) start of the porn industry after the WWII.
They don't even hide it that they are the originators and in charge of the porn industry.
During the C19 lunacy, children couldn't go to school or out to play, people were restricted to go out for a walk, banned and fined for going to the beach, but on the TV, all of the porn channels gave FREE access to the porn to EVERYONE.
BJ: All because of our governments that we have no control of at all because this is not government of the people by, the people, for the people, it is government of the people by the rich and powerful of a variety of religions and ethnicities for the rich and powerful of a variety of religions and ethnicities.
Folks, if you will take a minute to recall, a bunch of Hollywood celebrities condemned Israel’s invasion of Gaza and the wanton death and destruction it brought - Mark Ruffalo was one of them - and all of them were forced to sign a groveling letter of apology admitting they were wrong - so I’m afraid Caitlin has set the bar too high for this year’s Oscars. There won’t be any calls for Free Palestine going on at the Oscars. The movie and television industry in this country is dominated by Jews, as are the talent agencies, as is every other aspect of that industry.
Maybe Bernie could show up at the Oscars?
Sanders Rips 'Fiction' That There's Nothing US Can Do to End Gaza Carnage
"Of course we have the leverage," said Sen. Bernie Sanders. "We are funding the war."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/sanders-gaza-leverage?utm_source=Common+Dreams&utm_campaign=503ae616dc-News+Alert%3A+%27Of+Course+We+Have+Leverage%27&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-4da0978648-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D
An unlikely setting for the Bern. Rather like Benjamin Franklin as ambassador to Versailles.
Sanders always comes around after the accident has been cleaned up
I doubt that Susan Sarandon is nominated for anything, but if she is and wins, I bet she condemns the invasion of Gaza and won't apologize for it. I wouldn't.
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I agree. There are many Jews with an intact conscience but MSM makes sure we don’t hear much about them. I doubt any Oscar winners will condemn the Gaza genocide as that isn’t a “cause” — they’re more likely to remind us that cows, leaf lowers and gas stoves are destroying the planet. They all appear to me (and I don’t know any of them) to be shallow, self absorbed and cowardly.
There's no Vanessa Redgrave any more to stand with and for the Palestinian people at the Oscars. I still remember when she did so.
Consistent with her Julia in "Julia".
Didn't know that about Redgrave ....So rare...like a roger waters rare..
Being around the industry it occurred to me they all want to live some Hollywood royalty existence and not be ostracized in that world.. so they either shut up go along or are in on it... Money and fame tends to rot their integrity from the outside in ... but they are great at virtue signaling performance theatrics... Most of the rank and file employees do to but i hear bits and bobs of alternative thinking from the regular worker drones they often exploit.
"Being around the industry ..." - meaning you live near Hollywood? 🤣🤡 Quit flashing the Derek Smalls cucumber, clown.😆
As a young man, I used to enjoy the Oscars. The glamour. The beautiful Movie Stars all dressed up. Some of the speeches and pretty good humor.
Not anymore.
And not because you're no longer a young man.
Doh! Forgot to put that part in.
The film "don't look up" was basically a scolding finger wagging at us little people to do more so they don't have to.
Your not wrong and i know many of them..
The fact is that media and entertainment institutions in the US maintain an iron wall of solidarity with the zionists and are a core pillar of the US support for this effort.
We see incidents like this over and over again
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/30/cnn-fires-contributor-marc-lamont-hill-for-criticising-israel
https://www.firstpost.com/world/us-news-network-msnbc-takes-2-muslim-journalists-off-anchoring-duties-amid-war-in-israel-13246962.html
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/msnbc-cancels-mehdi-hasan-show-weekend-shakeup_n_6568d4ece4b066e398b6e31c
https://time.com/6338695/melissa-barrera-fired-susan-sarandon-israel-hamas-war-hollywood/
The fact is also that there is a vastly disproportionate percentage of the leadership and ownership of these industries, by people’s whos ethnic background (a factor the US society is very obsessed classifying and highlighting in all other aspects of life…except here) is linked to Israel.
If these were Chineses Americans in charge of a media and cultural sector that held the line on radical chinese practices that involved apartheid and mass murder……no one would be pussyfooting around the issue. No one would hesitate to call out the dissonance.
But here we see an attempt to throw in the “anti-s……” card. Again. And again. And again. Stop.
It walks like a duck. It quacks like a duck. Because it is a duck. Stop pretending everything else.
Even if a particular ethnicity does control Hollywood, whether that is Jewish or Chinese or whatever, I don't see that it is OK to call out ALL Jews or ALL Chinese people. What about those white Christians who have been trying to take over everything everywhere they go? So are ALL Christians culpable for what SOME Christians do?
No one called MLK a n anti Christian or a self hating Christian when he wrote over and over that the Christian community was a corrosive element helping to perpetuate Jim Crow racism and apartheid.
Similarly no one should feel they cannot point out that the Jewish community is in the same position today as Christians were back then.
It is what is.
Spend more time on changing the behaviour instead of complaining and trying to smear those who identified the behaviour.
Judaism is an identifiable religion- and at this time this religion needs to align itself with human rights values and take a CLEAN separation from these genocidal forces assembled and acting in its name.
Excommunicate them or whatever you have to do. Ban them from your temples.
Same as everyone demanded when they accused the Muslims of tolerating terrorism.
We are all equal and no group is above reproach.
You’re going off track.
I’m saying when Hollywood and the media are in fact controlled predominantly by people of Jewish background who hold clearly Zionist sympathies it’s perfectly legitimate to identify the background of those people and the policies they are pursuing. There is a problem in the U.S. with a set of people of Jewish background and with Israeli connections, using their positions as oligarchs in the U.S. to block public discourse and protest of Israeli apartheid and genocide.
But every time people point of plain facts the same old red herring tactics are flung out
- pretend that ALL Jews are being criticised
- claim “antisemitism”.
It’s stale and predictable. And you just did it.
I agree with you, I think. But in the comments here there are often by people who refer to Jews as the problem, not only in connection with Hollywood. I think it is more important now, than before October 7, to be careful how we criticize people because there are so many times when speaking in support of Palestine or in opposition to what the State of Israel is doing that people lose their jobs or are wrongly accused of antisemitism. I am not saying this to protect people who call out undue influence of the Israel lobby on American foreign policy. I am saying this to make sure that we continue to criticize the State of Israel and the Israel Lobby, and don't blanket criticize all Jews. I want us to avoid being accused of antisemitism in the hope that eventually those who need to see will see that the State of Israel and the Israel Lobby are responsible for a lot of deaths, pain and suffering.
AS i agree with you Susan i also can not get around the shear numbers of Jewish folks who even if out of ignorance and propaganda support and run cover for this genocide... And all of it for 80 years...I think statistics are not always a good measure bit the math don't lie here. It is the responsibility of the Jewish community to hold themselves to account and if they don't we have to..despite their supremacist mindset that tells them "HOW DARE YOU! "
It’s not an abstract “lobby” that is sponsoring this killing machine. It’s specific people - and the are doing it militantly and in the name of a specific religion.
You make a valid point ...but indeed USA being known as a Christian nation has plenty of Christian dysfunction built right into it...and they just happens to aligned perfectly with Jewish Zionists psycology of a punitive exploitative corrupt social order.. Not to mention unabashed colonialism and imperialism justified and normalized..
That said i know many Jewish and Christians who keep their religions in the spirit intended ...i worked with several older Jewish and christian ladies on Palestinian support and protest campaigns spent time with their families and at meetings AS well as Muslims and Islamic folk and Palestinians all working together..All lovely kind decent folks i call close endearing friends to this day.
And i also shielded and protected them from Zionist trying to attack and spit on them at some of our protests..
I have never agreed with the mass American Japanese internment into camps after the Pearl Harbor attack, and wouldn't today. So no - don't buy your walks and quacks like a duck argument at all.
Anyone doing the math on this knows the Jewish supremacist influence on Hollywood culture and western society is deep and profound and not all good.... as Chapel said " a lot of jews"---"I mean alot"
Alot? Do you have numbers on that? And how many Christians? Atheists?
Oh I agree that the entire industry is populated with representatives of every walk of life...
I worked on a project where a Jew a German and a Japanese and Muslim in the same room worked on WW2 film soundtracks and at one point we all realized it and had a laugh about it and praised the fact we all could be there together in friendship.
And how far we have come sins then.
But the industry heads, and upper control manegment are all outwardly Israel supporters. And if anyone speaks out too forcfully you will find yourself on the outs pretty quick so most just keep it about the work..and leave the politics for your private life.
Even though on social media I have been outspoken and knew it was seen by others in the biz. But nI one denies the heavy influence of Jews in our industry..it's like a running joke everyone accepts.
As you live near Hollywood you'd know yours. As how Melvin Udall knew his: https://youtu.be/YvbLEEnxpUQ?t=38
I don't click on links from a known douchebag like you ..So stop wasting your time being a sniveling little looser no one cares about.
I agree, but humans being what they are, if Chinese Americans controlled Hollywood, etc., actors would stay silent about radical Chinese practices that involved apartheid and mass murder. We need look no farther than the fine example that chicken shit John Cena who apologized to the Chinese government - in hastily learned Mandarin - for some off the cuff remark he made about China the government took offense to - as an example of the personal integrity and courage of this minuscule subset of the population.
Actually you dont agree - so cut out that BS tactic of writing that as a first sentence. Its shady and manipulative.
I saw this comment a few years ago and it seems fairly accurate
Zionism hides behind anti-Semitism and expertly manipulates Hollywood and all forms of propaganda, including the fake news mainstream media that serves two masters — Zionism and the Deep State. Zionism is indefensible by the truth and relies on lies, bribery, and blackmail to get its way. The nine million loyal American Jews are not Zionists and they are not the problem.
All of Chinese Americans were spending as much money lobbying as AIPAC they'd probably get away with it too.
The general fault is nationalism -- the belief that people of one's own kind are somehow better and more deserving of consideration than people of other kinds. One of the pathological traits we are going to need to get rid of somehow. What was it they said about patriotism? The last refuge of a scoundrel?
Let's at least recognize this part of the general problem.
No one will go any further that Kamala's call for a "temporary cease fire so all the hostages can be freed". They might even mention "humanitarian relief": but that would be a "bold statement".
And her delivery of those remarks while commemorating Bloody Sunday in Selma Alabama was a cynical insult to history.
How weak of Kamala to only call for a temporary ceasefire. The ceasefire should be a permanent one.
This week, California really showed its arse, and as a life-long Californian, it's embarrassing.
I thought Harris's contribution was a cat's paw, an experiment to see what can be gotten away with. The insanity of the Gaza massacres has probably occasioned some factional disputes among our rulers given its high cost, but they don't know how to play it yet.
I saw it as a sop, a moral figleaf that fooled only those who actively wish to be fooled.
I think a sop would be more innocent. There is no excuse or mitigation for Biden, but I think his handlers are experimenting with ways to possibly get him off the karmic hook. What a job!
I'm so sick of the damn "all Jews are Zionist/Israel war machine" narrative.
Yeah i think we're in danger of not letting ourselves point out observable facts. Jewish people are overrepresented as the head of studios and power in Hollywood (though Tom Cruise and the scientologists are influential among actors). Jewish people (including those who are also openly support the genocide such as Simon Schaema and Hadley Freeman) though they arer a small percentage of the population are overrepresented in British media and journalism and are allowed to share their views in national newspapers.
It would be foolish and illogical to say that the skewing of representation doesn't have a huge influence on the narrative and how likely people who want to work or make films are to speak out against a Jewish nation.
Should we assume that a journalist or studio owner, who have massive power and influence, who is also Jewish, who doesn't condemn the genocide are in fact Zionists and complicit in genocide?
"Oddly enough I looked up the CEO heads of the Studios. Disney, Bob Iger is a Jew. CEO of Warner Brothers, David Zaslow is a Jew. CEO of paramount pictures - Brian Robbins is also Jewish."
Why oddly enough? This has been the case since the motion picture industry started.
"Just because someone is Jewish does not automatically mean they are a Zionist or support genocide."
That is true. I never said all Jews support the genocide.
"What you're doing here is insinuating if you're simply Jewish, then you automatically are for genocide."
Now, you are using the logic of a two-year-old. How would you know what I am insinuating?
"Not all Jewish people support Zionism."
But the majority does, especially the wealthy ones.
Or they seem to think they ought to.
I believe that Only the very committed will speak against the hand that feeds them . Whether jew, christian, faux christian zionist or other. None will speak for Palestine. We shall see very soon where their conscience lies.
This is exactly the kind of talk the jews used against the nazis stereotyped generalizations that were unfairly applied in a hateful manner. Not all german people support nazis
Can you actually read? She said exactly the opposite
There does seem to be an intriguing schizophrenia in Jewish culture that requires explanation., whereby many of the Jewish intelligentsia and cultural elites virtue-signal pro-Palestinian, while especially ever since October 7 (as if a collective memo went out) many of them, perhaps a majority, are virtual-signalling pro-Israel (see Douglas Murray for the most unctuous displays of such).
There are plenty of people besides Jews in Hollywood. Guess you didn't make it to the last couple of paragraphs of Caitlin's post
Name a single person in Hollywood or the media who has ever lost their job, been canceled and/or seen their careers whither for supporting Israel/Zionists. Now try the same mental exercise with Palestine/Palestinians.
True, they may not be vocal about it, and as you say due to fear regarding their careers, but I'm sure almost all do not support what Israel is doing. It will be interesting to watch and if they do speak up it will be a very good day and indicative of things might just be changing. We'll see.
Jon Stewart and John Oliver have been good about calling out the evil genocidal Israelis and either one or both are Jewish. So that's good.
But I've seen literally nobody advocating a one or even two state solution or full Palestinian equality in Israel, let alone their UN declared RIGHT to resist a violent occupation violently.
Jon Stewart is problematic ...hes vacillated all over the place ...
Almost everyone is problematic in some way. I can think of one thing Stewart did that makes him a problem in my mind. https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/31/jon-stewart-pentagon-ukrainian-nazi-disney/
But at least he calls out Nutty Yahoo's genocide.
he did he then retracted most of it
No your not going to find public figures willing to stand up to truth and justice, too afraid to be ostracized. and the lobby has instilled public figures with real fear, well those who have a lot to lose should they go against their talking points. It's ugly.
So much for the usa/the West being democracies. Just look at how the usa can mass murder some 2966 in the Twin Towers on 9/11 and the Pentagon, PA and very few care. Then the usa goes on from their preplanned 9/11 false flag to mass murder another 4 to 6 million folks in all their illegal invasions. That is more than the G Holocaust.
Then there is all the other usa Holocausts, the biggest one the American Holocaust which includes canada and all of Latin American nations, STILL going on to this day.
You might want to look for Jimmy Dore's take on Jon Stewart.
I don't think you would and those that are Jewish no doubt feel more comfortable in speaking out. What else is knew, always been true.
That's my and the OP's whole point.
It would certainly be a monumental start to destroying the Israel Lobby and the stronghold they have.
All it would take is one person to come out and say Israel has to much power and the time has come to remove all of it. Then think forward all it would take is one audience member to stand and cheer and the entire theater would do the same. It would be a standing ovation for several minutes that would then make the news for days and days upon end.
Well, normally I wouldn't watch the Oscars, but in the past I did. During Trump's presidency they said things, nasty things, but then everyone was doing it and I saw that as nothing more then a kind of opportunism, no risk involved. I've been reading about the Jewish lobby and it's scary how they could ruin you. So my guess is that people might say something like they are wishing for peace in the world, but nothing accusatory, or specific and that's as far as they will go. Maybe if everyone did it there might be a chance since the lobby couldn't go about destroying everyone, too obvious. Well, this time I will watch.
As an aside, I find it rich how the #resistance acts like brave freedom fights facing down evil, when they're backed by Hollywood, major corporations, and the FBI, CIA and NSA, to name a few.
"Rick Sanchez fired by CNN after making comments about Jews and John Stewart"
See link below
https://www.theguardian.com/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/oct/01/rick-sanchez-cnn-jon-stewart-jews-television-bigot
Yeah I vaguely remember that. Thing is Stewart will actually criticize Israel and Zionists. But I'm sure Sanchez' job would have been perfectly safe if he made comments about Palestinians or Arabs.
You might want to find Ritter's article on Gonzalo Lira being an asset for the Ukraine SBU.
Criticism can be used to deflect action. Look at how Joe Biden is criticizing Israel while still shipping tons of bombs.
From the above article. Gee, sounds to me like he's pointing fingers at the ultimate prevaricator Netanyahu.
"Sanchez: I'm telling you that everybody who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart, and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart. And to imply that somehow they – the people in this country who are Jewish – are an oppressed minority? Yeah."
I guess I'm just trying to say that believing in "everything Stewart" because he mouths a few words you agree with, isn't going to get you to the conclusions you need.
Is Sanchez an Arab? As Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz (aka Jon Stewart) is Jewish.
No, he's (Sanchez) not Arab. People are getting confused here. My thought experiment was find someone in Hollywood or media getting fired/canceled for speaking in FAVOR of Israel and then to find someone getting fired/canceled for speaking in FAVOR of Palestinian rights (or by implication the Israeli treatment of Palestinians).
For the former, you can't. Nobody in Hollywood or the media in recent history has ever lost their job or been ostracized for vocally SUPPORTING Israel whether on the air or in their own writings. Numerous people have been fired/canceled (or stopped getting parts) for SUPPORTING Palestinian rights and criticizing Israel's treatment of them.
You asked for one example... I gave it.. .
No, you didn't. Please re-read what I said. Because you clearly did not comprehend it.
Mango: Since you have so much knowledge in this area, I will leave that to you
Yes, you are right, Susan, But Realist also is right in that many have not made the grade or continued a film career for the reasons mentioned. The same reason that all will be quiet at the Oscars this year as well.
One example, Mel Gibson.
This sublimation by the empire managers to an unholy bunch of murdering misfits, needs to cease, now
A comment from an ex-Senator in the USA named James Abourezk……..
“The public must realise that far from being an asset, Israel is a chronic liability that squanders billions of American dollars, drags the United States into wars and whose genocidal treatment of the Palestinians is radically destroying America’s moral pretensions in most of the world.”
The USA is burning its bridges, one by one. Ralph Nader today suggested that the death toll in Palesrtine is really 200,000, not that this figure will have any effect of the criminal Congress, the likes of Schumer, Blinken the wandering Jew or people like Nuland, now on the way out.
People like that just don’t give a damn
Mel Gibson did it to himself, with one drunken night to many. And he pretty much insinuated what Realist just insinuated in the original post, that all jews are responsible for some "evil" - in Mel's case, it was all the wars in the world.
It wasn't because Hollywood does indeed have quite a few CEOs who are Jewish - it was because Gibson exposed to the public a personal character flaw that was so egregious - people didn't want to be associated with him anymore.
By the way, I still watch Braveheart from time to time - an amazing film. It's really sad his career took a hit after that fateful drunken day.
"People"?
You mean -after- they had been propagandized by the Jewish Lobby?
I'm sure you've heard, "All wars are banker's wars".
The corollary, "All bankers are Jews".
Now, think carefully about what I'm suggesting here.
This is NOT an indictment of -all- Jews.
Refer to the Pew study that only 5.8% of the US population is Jewish. It should be obvious that small minority has influence over US politics that far, far, far outweighs their numbers.
Why?
My apologies, Jamenta. Information about which I was unaware.
No need to apologize to me Contrarian. You didn't insult me - you just had a different opinion. Which isn't a thought crime ... yet.
I know that many people do not seem to care about what is happening in Gaza. Still, I think it is important to think about how we say what we need to say and don't increase the actual antisemitism. We need to be able to critique the claims that speaking against the State of Israel is antisemitic which means we need to think about not confusing the term "Jew" with the term "State of Israel"; make it very clear that our criticism is of the State of Israel or Netanyahu and not a criticism of anyone for being Jewish.
Agreed, as would most readers, I am sure. Caitlin too.
However, I do feel that calling someone antisemitic has been used as a weapon by Jewish people as well as the media, primarily in the USA, where a population has seen its political class discard their once held values for financial support, just to maintain a well paid seat in government. 86% fit that bill in Congress alone. From then on, needing to toe the line. Hence we see support for genocide, multi billions in aid for inhumane acts, still in progress.
It has since become a tool with which to beat down opposition to anything stated that is in any way a criticism of questionable Jewish behaviour as well, of which there has been a great deal in recent times.
If there was a similar phrase, such as antiArabicism would we be screaming about this every day as we see and hear the disturbing comments by members of the Israeli Knesset and the people of Israel. I won't list them but in my lifetime, I have never heard such disgraceful comments against a race of people, that is Palestinians, even against the Nazis in WWII.
After 9-11 I heard many disgusting comments about Muslims and people of Arabic descent. It would seem that people have a difficult time seeing that there are horrible people of all religions and ethnicities as well as really fine people. There are certainly many Christians who have committed horrible crimes. I think it is very important right now to be careful not to be antisemitic so that as the State of Israel commits its actual crimes we can speak out against them and underscore what we are saying as being against the State of Israel and not against all Jews. I think that right now it is more important even than it was before October 7th to be really careful to use clear language and to make it clear that what we oppose is what the State of Israel and its military is doing to Palestinian people and to Gaza.
That is true but over the last half century many impartial skilled observers have maintained that almost from its inception Jews have been its controlling force. Not a majority but a controlling minority
I'm not in the blame da joos camp, but proportion matters.
"There are plenty of people besides Jews in Hollywood."
So what? The ones who count, the ones who control Hollywood, are mostly Jewish.
LMAO you gotta see Dave Chapelle 2022 Nov Sat Night Live Opener. It’s roughly 12min have had some trouble finding it as of late….GTFO 🤣
It might be comedy but it’s the fucking truth thru and thru. And just notice how there are no comedies from the entertainment industry poking fun at Zionists or Orthodoxy. It’s full throttle make fun of Christians. Who then turn around and support the goddamn Zionists 🤪🤪🤪🤪
Well, that will just give us more names of actors and directors and producers to boycott until they see the error of their ways and come out in support of the Palestinian people. #FreePalestine #BoycottTheOscars
I guess you missed the part of her post where she discusses the counter productivity of generalizing
all jews as zionists. Try and be quiet. You're just embarrassing yourself here.
"I guess you missed the part of her post where she discusses the counter productivity of generalizing all jews as zionists."
I guess you can't read; I never wrote that.
Just a side note. I do not form my stand or opinions to Caitlin's dictates.
"Try and be quiet. You're just embarrassing yourself here."
Hey, dickhead your opinion means so much to me. LOL
Did you read the last part of the article?
"Did you read the last part of the article?"
Yes, I read it. I did not say all Jews are responsible for anything. Caitlin does not decide what my stand or opinion will be.
You said that Hollywood is “run by Jews, for Jews”.
"You said that Hollywood is “run by Jews, for Jews”."
And that is true. I did not say all Jews run Hollywood. Learn to read.
I was about to write the very same. Look what Trump did today - saying he supports the genocide 100%! He knows who butters his bread.
Our lawmakers are genocidaires… ALL OF THEM.
LET THAT SINK IN.
WE ARE ALL PALESTINIANS. IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU. 🫵
"If there were an Oscar for best theatrical performance by a country, Israel would win every year. It's a country based on theater. It's a lunatic state - completely insane."
- Dr. Norman Finkelstein
If the number of celebrities who have spoken out so far against Israel's genocide is any indication, I wouldn't expect much at the Oscars. And not from Robert di Niro. They'll probably have Yulia Navalny present the Oscar for Best Foreign Picture.
Writers like George Orwell and French philosopher Simone Weil actually lived in poverty for extended periods so they could write with real authority and empathy on their subjects. Orwell was a bum on the streets of Paris for a time and Weil ruined her health due to living as the poor did and died prematurely. Can you imagine such dedication from a journalist today?
Weil wrote a book calling for the abolition of political parties ( available on Amazon) claiming they ultimately become self serving totalitarians which is just what they are today.
Orwell wrote 1984, the bible for 2024.
Political parties SHOULD be abolished and full participatory democracy returned to the people in the form of Peoples' Assemblies or Village Meetings where we all decide what's to be what in our lives just like in pre-NATO Libya. Gaddafi was against political parties too. His Green Book is here: http://openanthropology.org/libya/gaddafi-green-book.pdf
Pg 13 of the pdf of his book reveals that:
"The party is a contemporary form of dictatorship. It is the modern instrument of dictatorial government. The party is the rule of a part over the whole. As a party is not an individual, it creates a superficial democracy by establishing assemblies, committees, and propaganda through its members. The party is not a democratic instrument because it is composed only of those people who have common interests, a common perception or a shared culture; or those who belong to the same region or share the same belief. They form a party to achieve their ends, impose their will, or extend the dominion of their beliefs, values, and interests to the society as a whole. A party’s aim is to achieve power under the pretext of carrying out its program. Democratically, none of these parties should govern a whole people who constitute a diversity of interests, ideas, temperaments, regions and beliefs. The party is a dictatorial instrument of government that enables those with common outlooks or interests to rule the
people as a whole. Within the community, the party represents a minority.
"The purpose of forming a party is to create an instrument to rule the people, i.e., to rule over non-members of the party."
Jack London did it before and could have been the model for George Orwell.
There were also some committed photographers and historians in the Federal Art Project during the depression that lived on the road and with the people. Same thing previously with "How the Other Half Lives" and progressives like Jane Addams Hull House for immigrants, et al. I'd put Upton Sinclair in this camp too.
None of them care.... They just want to maintain the status quo.. THEY ARE THE SYSTEM!
Why do you think that the entire country has been brain washed into the paradigm of american mythology of its exceptionalism and propagandized and infantiled into mindless obedient tax paying serfs that have not an ounce of original thought in their dumb fuck brain down to its stems that was not curated by the systems admins in the establishment and Hollywood and political world and news society? add in every lap dog allied nations that follow them around like sycophantic little poodles...
Celebrity's just sell the great western lies to the unsuspecting checked out rural numpty, and laugh their way to banks and parties and photo opps.
If you're talking about Americans, I really don't think most Americans think their country is just great. There is a lot of dissatisfaction in regard to American policies and things in general. I don't hear people running around singing America's praises. Mostly it's this or that really stinks. Did I misunderstand you.
The only reason people are somewhat waking up is because the abuse has become so bad and lies so blatant and the greed and manipulation so intense its starting to hurt people directly (as all abusers do eventually) .. economic suffering is the worst its ever been and all perpetrated by the very people i talk about...so its the PAIN that is waking them up not the intellectual courage it would have took to see it far way back to have stopped it... because i was warning of it way back when, and was told to move if i don't like it here,, and here we are,,,
One thing is true of Americans and that is they don't have a very good, global perspective on things, and maybe it due to being geographically separate to much of the world. I had a an uncle who was an engineer in the merchant marines, and as a teenager I became aware of his global perspective on things which I thought was really nice and I try to maintain that perspective as well. I think that's where Americans fall short.
Well who learns Geography in schools.........my daughter didn't in the USA
yeah, and that is amazing and appalling.
I agree, and grammar school teachers don't make much of an effort to teach it. However I do think people in America feel less connected to the world as a whole, and we're special. Kidding.
My grandfather on my moms side was a lieutenant colonel in ww3,, he was an american and married my moms mom, and my mom married a Frenchmen .(thus me eventually) .. so not blood but he was the only grandfather i knew and was a really decent guy too... but that was a different generation..
And yeah most Americans never left their back yards but think they know all about the world due to the TV one way lie machine...
Fran and Chaz should get a room
"Please don't dominate the rap jack if you got nothing new to say"
(Grateful Dead -New Speedway Boogie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nOpJMQ3-VE
So you just dominated the rap with bull shit though? Oh so it's only ok for you to do it? I see.
I happen to work around them my whole career... I see a lot of mindless main stream going along..they think that they need to to maintain the celebrity status and ingratiate themselves with the public and the public must be mind control to sell them their entertainment that translates into corporate sales and this is why they all work together to keep the public malleable to manipulation through news films tv and social conditioning...
I have always worked in the help care professions, not in business, so maybe that has given me a different perspective.
I don't have the best view of the entire health care industry myself..i find everyone in it far too institutionalized for my taste..
Now if you are really sick and hospitalized you better have an advocate. That's how bad it has gotten.
Why do you need an advocate?
"far too institutionalized for my taste..." - could it be you're looking at it from the institution side?
OH i see you tried to be funny? cute....ugh!
Thats a stupid non sequitur comment that does not deserve an answer but you are really all about these kind of stupid ass statements
I was talking specifically about Celebrities at first but expanded that to the proletariat.
Do you live in America? I don't really see a lot of really happy Americans running around in love with their country. In fact a lot of people I know do a lot of bitching and I can understand why. Funny a couple of cousins, pretty young and still working talk about retiring to Italy, and one just mentioned because of better health care. There are people that defend everything American, even their wars, but there are a whole lot who are not like that. Most Americans are trying to get through their days, I think they would like to portray us that way, but since I'm a kid I never had that perspective on the average American. By the way you should hear Americans bitch about our health care system.
Americans health care system is nothing to do with health and everything to do with MONEY! ONLY ..the "health" part is just treating symptoms with drugs they can make money off of.
Yes, and I've worked in the health care community. and things have really changed. No more local family doctors, and now hospitals and doctors practices are corporately owned.I don't blame them, and I'm not defending America in this regard, just people, ordinary people.
My old country doctor in LA has gotten too old to practice...he was great... and let me pay in cash for little things.. yeah the problem is mom and pop everything is evaporating! makes me sad .
Well fran ...at my age i may be very jaded at this point...lol
I have seen a lot..been all around the world and met lots of different peoples..
I think my IRE can be summed up in my wish and desire to see a better America ,,but i hate that we are the main problem in the world..I was born of immigrants and grew up in the states..i have been probably to every singe state excluding Alaska at least once.. My father was french my mother German, I'm a baby boomer from the war... But i was not your typical middle american ...grew up near cities lived in NYC and was a musician and technical person for studios etc and now am near hollywood so i'm not just the typical "white guy " angry about the lost 50's or whatever they get on about... I'm a mixed bag of beliefs that span liberal to conservative and way outside most of those narrow conventions and paradigms.. I rank on the USA because i want it to be better and i hate that its citizens are so DUMB!! and terribly prone to the brain washing they are under 24/7
I don't blame you and agree our American policies are self serving here and abroad,. In that regard we suck! Politically even as a kid i didn't like us!!!!!! I learned to separate the people from my government that I never really trusted. Not even as a child.
One on one in my daily life i meet the best people so my anger over all this is general..i get along with most people..(might not know that by my ranting HA!)
I have a whole bunch of great people around me even in the belly of the hollywood beast
Caitlin, I agree, as always. What I hope is that in the winners’ group, there will be at least one person with the guts of George Galloway, Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, Glenn Greenwald, Katie Halper, or Aaron Mate to call out Israel’s genocide for what it is. You'll notice that these people are all Jews (except George) who have defied upbringing, but, then, they weren't raised in Israel.
As for your saying this genocide is not about Jewishness but about settler-colonialism, I would make one disagreement. It's the knowledge of the leadership Jews in Israel that they are absolutely superior to all others. And most of the people there deeply believe this, as well. They really believe that the Palestinians are nothing and worthless. When I was there, the arrogance and obvious sense of superiority was thick in the air. Hard to explain unless you've witnessed it in person. The Torah is taken seriously... these are God's "chosen," and when a kid is indoctrinated to believe that from birth, it's almost unshakable. That's how the IDF can deliberately sniper little kids in the head without any sense they are doing wrong whatsoever....and laugh about it later, with no guilt. It's amazing. I had to go "outside" to Gaza or the West Bank to find warmth, genuine kindness and welcoming…and finding it was like coming out of cold and walking into sunshine.
Vanessa Redgrave did speak out at the Oscars years ago. She was never forgiven, but apparently she was forgotten.
Not forgotten by myself or others and this was in 1978!! https://x.com/Emy4freedom/status/1721041518155223369?s=20
She was vilified and didn't work much after.
I lived in a Jewish community for 8 years. The sense of superiority was also thick in the air, and this was not in Israel. Support for Israel was 100% however. This was a very democrat or liberal leaning community. We were treated well mostly by the older generation, but for some it felt almost obligatory, like we were some kind of social experiment. They loved my Christmas lights, as it was the only house with it during December. Did they love it though? The younger families actively avoided us and especially kept their kids away from mine. Maybe they worried I’d infect them with my Jesusness? One time however the neighbors teenage girl asked me why I cut my own grass, as if I was breaking some cultural rule. I told her it was therapeutic for me. She asked, ‘why don’t you just let Miguel do it’, Miguel? I thought, who’s he?’ Then realized she was describing the landscapers, generally. So what’s this all mean? Are Jewish people all fascist racists posing as humanitarians to prove their liberal virtue to each other? Nah, I tend to think they are victims of the same American propaganda machine we all are afflicted with. I now live in a moderately Christian community, conservative leaning, but not Jesus freaks either. I’m lucky to get flipped off, let alone engaged in virtue boosting conversations with these neighbors. I miss my Jewish neighbors to be honest. At least they had a sense of humor.
Michael, Thank you for your interesting comment. Gideon Levy who writes for Haaretz in Israel says the Jews are three things: Superior to all others (God's chosen children), the eternal victims (no one else can be in that category... they kept out an Armenian Holocaust room from being included in the Holocaust Museum in D.C.), and think of the Palestinians (and I say other groups) as bugs beneath their feet, to be crushed underfoot since they are nothing. But you're are right, they have a sense of humor. However, those in the leadership of Israel today are exceptions to that, having no humor at all; humor implies some kind of sensitivity. They were thrilled that Hamas attacked. That gave them leave to exterminate the Palestinians.
Two wings, Same War Party.
The Intercept and Democracy Now are not only stealing from the Grayzone but from the Electronic Intifada and Mondoweiss too. Really disappointed with Jeremy Scahill and Ryan Grim.
Ryan Grim has always been a nasty piece of work. The biggest surprise in the last few years for me has been Amy Goodman. It is what it is. :(
Max Blumenthal made the comment that the Intercept and Democracy Now are reaching for “respectability”. Sort of to be like a North American version of The Guardian.
I'd say it's more choosing to please their donors.
True.
He was right.
Investigative reporter Arun Gupta is doing some of that too - just heard him on Dennis Bernstein's show "Flashpoints" at KPFA, Pacifica San Fran
We need a different system. Those in power "make those decisions because they are corrupt and evil"; they are interested in making money for themselves or for their friends and relatives. Most schmoes off the street are not making all the money that is coming into the US from the sale of all those weapons of war. I really appreciate your second to last paragraph. This is not about Jews. It is about the State of Israel. BTW, some real estate agents from Israel and the US were here in Montreal offering to sell real estate from the West Bank.....in a synagogue. Many Jews were very vocal and distraught about their synagogue being used to sell illegal real estate to Canadians.
"Most schmoes off the street are not making all the money that is coming into the US from the sale of all those weapons of war. "
The money is printed and goes more or less directly to arms manufacturers. No domestic goods or services are produced to spend it on. The result is price increases and devaluation of the dollar. https://science1arts2and3politics.substack.com/p/why-the-usa-has-inflation Wealth does not increase, it is redistributed.
"We need a different system."
Susan T, I'd like you to meet Gaddafi via his Green Book. I find he has some highly interesting ideas. http://openanthropology.org/libya/gaddafi-green-book.pdf
"The cult isn’t bad because there aren’t enough nice cult members, the cult is bad because its entire purpose, function and founding doctrine is bad."
I've met lots of "nice Democrats" and "nice Republicans" in my time, but I never forget they're still doing evil things like supporting a genocide and/or supporting pro-genocide candidates. We really have to get past the surface details and look deep into the heart of all organizations and their members. If they're doing evil things like genocide, then they're an evil organization/cult. Get away from the cult and encourage your friends/family in the cult to de-program themselves and leave asap. You'll thank yourself for it later when the rest of us come to lock up the cult leaders.
"After seeing how horrifyingly murderous and reckless this Democrat president has turned out to be, I hope US leftists have fully let go of all the guilt liberals tried to heap on them for not rallying behind the Democrat in 2016. It was all a lie. They’re as bad as Republicans."
This is where they get Americans. On some issues, domestic policies do differ significantly between the Demorats and Rethuglicans, however based on the Democrats' record, they mainly just playact about them (abortion, the environment, social safety net, healthcare, education, etc.) because they never seem to improve no matter who's in power, and it has become a Good Cop/Bad Cop farce that moves the government and Overton Window farther and farther right - or, if you will - into the controlling hands of oligarchical financial rentier class interests with the accompanying fascistic surveillance, police-prison state erosion of civil rights.
On foreign policy it's a straight up Lose-Lose "Equivalent of Two Evils" scenario. The names of the "bad guys" may change (slightly and less so than ever), but it's the same warmongering, fearmongering propaganda and illegal use of military force abroad either directly, through military proxies, or via economic warfare (see: Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, etc.). I don't know if "irony" is the correct word to use here, but it is "ironic" that in order to carry out their preferred foreign policy and continue feeding the MIC beast, they must by default crack down on dissent domestically by way of censorship, criminalizing protest, deplatforming, blacklisting, and imprisoning truth tellers and whistleblowers. Just like the Evil _____ (insert your choice: Russkies, CCP, Iranians, etcetera).
At one time democrats really were more liberal and advocated for policies that benefited the average American, now they are no different and maybe even worse then republicans where there seems to be growing diversity among them. In America if you speak truth to power you're a goner.
Two cheeks of the same backside.
There's nobody quite like George Galloway!
I find he's superb on Gaza but a real gormless thicko on 9/11.
He can be a bit of a mixed bag. His views on the climate crisis I'm not exactly in lockstep with - and also Covid.
But yeah, that's life.
Great last section as it applies to a few in this forum. Hope they recognize themselves and take a moment to contemplate and "In short, don’t let your opposition to Israeli atrocities turn you into a moron"
Hollywood fillms create a false narrative in so many genres...
Most people cannot see the depth & breadth of Zionism.
Unfortunately Judaism is used as a foundation for many Zionist claims.
All religion is fraud.
If everyone would simply speak in the universal languages of ethics, values, logic, morals, reason, science, peace & love, and discontinue the fraudulent dialogs of religions & governments, humanity could evolve to eliminate the purposed fraudulent narratives of governments and religions.
I must disagree with you on this:
"Don’t try to make Israeli atrocities about Judaism"
The Zionists and Israeli's themselves make - and justify - the atrocities based on Judaism. They claim that God gave the land ("One Israel") to the Jews and it says so in the Bible. They claim Jews are the "chosen people". That claim alone is far worse than "US Exceptionalism" that fuels US Imperialism. They call Palestinians "Amalek" and say the Bible tells them to slaughter them all. The Far Far Far right (fascists) in control of political and military power in Israel right now are dominated by these views of Judaism. Public opinion is overwhelmingly in support of the genocide.
Why should all this be ignored out of fear of undermining the Palestinian cause or being called an anti-Semite?
>>"The Zionists and Israeli's themselves make - and justify - the atrocities based on Judaism."
Yes, and that is precisely why CJ says what she does. Why would you believe anything a Zionist says?
Here's the Zionist rationale behind conflating themselves with "all Jews" and Judaism:
There are anti-Zionist Jews that support Palestine and there are Zionist Jews that support Israel. These two groups clash with each other and have a long history of conflicts. There were also anti-Zionist Jews before the creation of Israel that were against Zionist Jews. One (simplified) way of thinking about the differences and conflicts between these different Jewish factions is to think of it in terms of something like a Civil War. These two groups are at odds with each other. The non-Zionist Jews are fighting with the rest of the Palestinian supporters - and they are an important part of the fight against Zionist Jews - and they need our support since we (supporters of Palestine) share the same goals. So, the strategy of the Zionists to weaken an important part of their opposition (which is anti-Zionist Jews) is to confuse, conflate, and gaslight everyone into thinking that Zionism represents all Jews, that Zionism represents Judaism, that all that Zionists do is in the name of all Jews and Judaism. And this is blatantly FALSE. (There is a reason why "Not In My Name" was chosen as a slogan).
I hope my explanation makes sense to you (I didn't have enough time to formulate my answer in a more organized way).
We should all take heed of Caitlin's timely warning. Please do not fall into the trap of conflating the Jewish race with the horrors inflicted on the Palestinians by an Israeli regime. I have noticed a few of our posts with good hearts and the best of intentions, overtaken by sorrow at the plight of fellow human beings tending to overlook this truth.
Israel is a settler - colonial state doing what other settler - colonial states ( of different races, cultures and religions ) did in another time and place. Just as they stand condemned, so does Israel. What makes it more horrendous is that the carnage is happening now right before our eyes. And it's a carnage than never before. Keep our empathy and support ( for what its worth ) for the Palestinian people pure so that it will have more impact. We should not debase our compassion by going down to the level of those who are not only blind to the suffering but aid and abet a genocide.
What is this you call “teh Jewish race”? Judaism is not a “race”. Its a religious belief system.
Good to be corrected - Thanks to Kudjoe, also to Jenny Stokes and Patrick Powers.
I should have done some research before shooting my mouth off! Way off mark when the idea of 'race' is itself a problem.
But you have to be born into it, like Hinduism. And many Jews are not religious. It is held together by inheritance of tradition, common blood and attitudes. You could call it a tribe or a culture.
Patrick Powers - I'm not sure what your understanding of Hinduism is. But you DO NOT need to be born into Hinduism to be a Hindu. Where did you get this idea from?
Some marry into Judaism.
Jewish is a race, like German is a race.
You have your benign Germans/Jews, and then there’s the “master race” types of Germans/Jews.
Might even be some overlap there.
Some of those things/creatures read Mein Kamph, some read Torah/Talmud.
Both see “the other” as inferior, and undeserving of life.
And, they aren’t the only two.
Ask the indigenous peoples of North America about that.
We seem to be in a race to the bottom.
The lowest common denominator.
Or is it dominator.
My way of agreeing with you,
I think.
Mike, Jews are not a race. People who identify as Jewish include individuals of enormously diverse geographic origins and physical appearances, making the idea that Jews could easily be designated a race in the sense of shared physical or biological characteristics implausible. Jews historically have defined themselves as a people, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Converts are also considered descendants of these patriarchal ancestors. Colloquially, Jews also sometimes describe themselves as a tribe.
The idea of race — whether applied to Jews or another group — is itself a problem. Generally used today to denote categories of people based on certain shared characteristics, typically physical appearance, this method of categorization was once prevalent in the scientific community. But many scientists now believe that differentiating human populations on the basis of shared physical traits is obsolete and that racial categories are primarily social constructs with little correlation to anything scientists can measure.
Exactly.
Jews are a race, like Germans are a race, like Britons are a race, like Catholics are a race, like republicans are a race, like capitalists are a race…..well, you get the idea.
“It’s bullshit, and it’s bad for ya.”
-G. Carlin
Understood. Thanks.
I beg to differ. In New York as a Kindergartner in 1954, my elementary school was 90% Jewish. I still have my kindergarten picture. I was blond as anything. All but two of the rest of the class have dark dark hair and dark skin, as well as distinctive features. If Judaism were simply a religion, you would not be able to tell any difference between me and the other children.
Very well said Indu Abeysekara! Thank you.