I’m saying when Hollywood and the media are in fact controlled predominantly by people of Jewish background who hold clearly Zionist sympathies it’s perfectly legitimate to identify the background of those people and the policies they are pursuing. There is a problem in the U.S. with a set of people of Jewish background and with Israeli connections, using their positions as oligarchs in the U.S. to block public discourse and protest of Israeli apartheid and genocide.
But every time people point of plain facts the same old red herring tactics are flung out
I agree with you, I think. But in the comments here there are often by people who refer to Jews as the problem, not only in connection with Hollywood. I think it is more important now, than before October 7, to be careful how we criticize people because there are so many times when speaking in support of Palestine or in opposition to what the State of Israel is doing that people lose their jobs or are wrongly accused of antisemitism. I am not saying this to protect people who call out undue influence of the Israel lobby on American foreign policy. I am saying this to make sure that we continue to criticize the State of Israel and the Israel Lobby, and don't blanket criticize all Jews. I want us to avoid being accused of antisemitism in the hope that eventually those who need to see will see that the State of Israel and the Israel Lobby are responsible for a lot of deaths, pain and suffering.
AS i agree with you Susan i also can not get around the shear numbers of Jewish folks who even if out of ignorance and propaganda support and run cover for this genocide... And all of it for 80 years...I think statistics are not always a good measure bit the math don't lie here. It is the responsibility of the Jewish community to hold themselves to account and if they don't we have to..despite their supremacist mindset that tells them "HOW DARE YOU! "
It’s not an abstract “lobby” that is sponsoring this killing machine. It’s specific people - and the are doing it militantly and in the name of a specific religion.
They are doing it in the name of Israel not in the name of Judaism. I don't think they even care about Judaism. And they don't respect it. They are like any other group of money grubbers. They are in it for money and power and they are promoting Israel, not Judaism. And I agree, the Israel lobby is not an abstract group. They are, unfortunately, much too real.
Uh no. The people doing it proclaim Judaism as the cause. They are Jewish supremacists. And they view others as “untermenschen”.
And their work is being sponsored by people of Jewish background such as “ Friends of the IDF” which comprises of rich American billionaires abd millionaires. Similarly the settlements occupying ejecting Palestinians from their land in the West Bank are supported abd organised often by Americans of Jewish background. it’s actual people doing this not an abstract “lobby”.
Of course the Jewish religion MUST distance itself from these murderous PEOPLE. It’s what would be demanded of ANY religion being used as a front fir mass murder.
People use any religion often to cover up their real motives of greed and power mongering. For me, what is important right now is that we draw attention to the genocide that is happening right now and it is grist for the mill of those who want to accuse anyone who is opposing this genocide as "antisemitic" when people use terminology that implicates Jews rather than Israel.
We haev enough attention. We dont need more attention or symbolism.
We need ACTION. And if governments wont stop - because certain people have controlling governments, then action means that those malevolent people perpetrating genocides and controlling governments to help them - this people need to be singled out ostracized…..from among their own tribe. From among their own religion.
It’s up to the jewish community to put a stop to this, and de-normalise zionism and zionists - and put a stop to the genocide being done supposedly in the name of judaism.
That’s not about symbolic action at the oscars. That’s about rabbis casting out these people from their temples, from their community center’s. That’s about jewish groups refusing the dirty money from the billionaires that sponsor genocide, apartheid and murderous wars. It’s about jewish people who dont believe in this type of worldview, refusing to work with those extremist jews who are perpetrating it.
Its about action inside this group to rein in this mob among them. You dont do it on stage - you do it everyday when it is hard it is not glamourous, there is no attention, and there are no cameras.
You’re going off track.
I’m saying when Hollywood and the media are in fact controlled predominantly by people of Jewish background who hold clearly Zionist sympathies it’s perfectly legitimate to identify the background of those people and the policies they are pursuing. There is a problem in the U.S. with a set of people of Jewish background and with Israeli connections, using their positions as oligarchs in the U.S. to block public discourse and protest of Israeli apartheid and genocide.
But every time people point of plain facts the same old red herring tactics are flung out
- pretend that ALL Jews are being criticised
- claim “antisemitism”.
It’s stale and predictable. And you just did it.
I agree with you, I think. But in the comments here there are often by people who refer to Jews as the problem, not only in connection with Hollywood. I think it is more important now, than before October 7, to be careful how we criticize people because there are so many times when speaking in support of Palestine or in opposition to what the State of Israel is doing that people lose their jobs or are wrongly accused of antisemitism. I am not saying this to protect people who call out undue influence of the Israel lobby on American foreign policy. I am saying this to make sure that we continue to criticize the State of Israel and the Israel Lobby, and don't blanket criticize all Jews. I want us to avoid being accused of antisemitism in the hope that eventually those who need to see will see that the State of Israel and the Israel Lobby are responsible for a lot of deaths, pain and suffering.
AS i agree with you Susan i also can not get around the shear numbers of Jewish folks who even if out of ignorance and propaganda support and run cover for this genocide... And all of it for 80 years...I think statistics are not always a good measure bit the math don't lie here. It is the responsibility of the Jewish community to hold themselves to account and if they don't we have to..despite their supremacist mindset that tells them "HOW DARE YOU! "
It’s not an abstract “lobby” that is sponsoring this killing machine. It’s specific people - and the are doing it militantly and in the name of a specific religion.
They are doing it in the name of Israel not in the name of Judaism. I don't think they even care about Judaism. And they don't respect it. They are like any other group of money grubbers. They are in it for money and power and they are promoting Israel, not Judaism. And I agree, the Israel lobby is not an abstract group. They are, unfortunately, much too real.
I agree with you there too... Too many of my fondest Jewish friends don't accept all this in their name..
Uh no. The people doing it proclaim Judaism as the cause. They are Jewish supremacists. And they view others as “untermenschen”.
And their work is being sponsored by people of Jewish background such as “ Friends of the IDF” which comprises of rich American billionaires abd millionaires. Similarly the settlements occupying ejecting Palestinians from their land in the West Bank are supported abd organised often by Americans of Jewish background. it’s actual people doing this not an abstract “lobby”.
Of course the Jewish religion MUST distance itself from these murderous PEOPLE. It’s what would be demanded of ANY religion being used as a front fir mass murder.
People use any religion often to cover up their real motives of greed and power mongering. For me, what is important right now is that we draw attention to the genocide that is happening right now and it is grist for the mill of those who want to accuse anyone who is opposing this genocide as "antisemitic" when people use terminology that implicates Jews rather than Israel.
We haev enough attention. We dont need more attention or symbolism.
We need ACTION. And if governments wont stop - because certain people have controlling governments, then action means that those malevolent people perpetrating genocides and controlling governments to help them - this people need to be singled out ostracized…..from among their own tribe. From among their own religion.
It’s up to the jewish community to put a stop to this, and de-normalise zionism and zionists - and put a stop to the genocide being done supposedly in the name of judaism.
That’s not about symbolic action at the oscars. That’s about rabbis casting out these people from their temples, from their community center’s. That’s about jewish groups refusing the dirty money from the billionaires that sponsor genocide, apartheid and murderous wars. It’s about jewish people who dont believe in this type of worldview, refusing to work with those extremist jews who are perpetrating it.
Its about action inside this group to rein in this mob among them. You dont do it on stage - you do it everyday when it is hard it is not glamourous, there is no attention, and there are no cameras.