So much for the usa/the West being democracies. Just look at how the usa can mass murder some 2966 in the Twin Towers on 9/11 and the Pentagon, PA and very few care. Then the usa goes on from their preplanned 9/11 false flag to mass murder another 4 to 6 million folks in all their illegal invasions. That is more than the G Holocaust.
Then there is all the other usa Holocausts, the biggest one the American Holocaust which includes canada and all of Latin American nations, STILL going on to this day.
I don't disagree, and have a lot of questions about what happened on 9/11, and wonder whether it was the new Pearl harbor the neocons were waiting for and made happen. I did make a great effort to be part of the anti-war movement which came to naught so If you think I am pro-American in this regard, well that has never been true since I was 7 when those cowboys killed all the Indians who lived on this land first.
We have been over the part already about Fran and how she is a fantastic, fair, honest, decent, ... human being, Fran, and I believe it fully from your posts.
You know we recently lost a friend who worked close by and continued to so do for more then 20 years and he died just last year as a result. It affected his lungs. No smoker, a vegan, health minded. Really bad.
Lots of folks who were destroyed physically by the HIGHLY TOXIC WTC dust which the powers that be LIED their asses off about, again, saying no danger.
Another slam dunk point that also by its lonesome sinks the usa 9/11 fairy tale.
ONLY THE EXPLOSIVE POWER OF controlled demolitions could have turned 220 acres of rebar reinforced concrete floors about 5 inches deep with a steel pan on the bottom into micron sized particles in the same manner that volcanoes do.
Do you know about the Project for a New American Century? I was aware of their agenda, where U.S. military dominance would prevail in the 21st century. George Bush gets elected and Cheney makes himself vice president a real neocon. I had read about this before 9/11 and knew Cheney was a primary signatory, as were other's in the Bush administration as was Jeff Bush. No proof, but thought that 2001 election was stolen from Al Gore. When 9/11 happened I thought this is their New Pearl Harbor, which they claimed they would need to carry out an agenda, a military agenda to reconstruct the Middle East. Do I know this for sure, no, but I always feel this is something we knew about, and let happen. I left it at that, and just didn't want to really know. interesting that building seven, not attacked, pancakes down too. They said it was from the impact of the Twin Towers, bullshit. Interesting that some refer to the attack by Hamas as Israel's 9/11. Interesting that both went on a killing spree afterward. We killed over 4 million, and maybe Israel will kill some 2 million. I hate to go here and never really pursued what I thought could be true.
There is zero as in none, evidence for the USGsOfficial 9/11 Fairy Tale and volumes of incontrovertible evidence that it is a total usa lie just as most everything the usa ever says is lies. Iraq WMD, Pearl Harbor, Vietnam, Korea, Libya, Afghanistan, ..., ..., ..., ..., ... !!!
All the molten and boiled metals with melt/boil temps 1000 to 4000F greater than the WTC fire temperatures says the usa fable is a fairy tale.
I know something about it, but as I might have said I just don't want to go there. Building 7 comes down and they said from the impact of the twin towers , yeah right. It was there new pearl harbor to carry out their middle eastern wars, how lucky could they get.
I don't understand "I just don't want to go there", Fran. No one is asking you to take on te task of exposing the B/C neocons but knowing how the usa murdered their own is fundamental to ending usa Gangster "nation".
I don't know if you live in the US, but that was a very traumatic event, and family and friends worked in the city. I didn't, but had to pick people up since they had to walk there way out of Manhattan. Not that I didn't follow the accusations, but never got that involved, however I was really involved in the anti-war movement and that was enough. When you say the US murdered their own, well, don't they always with their lying wars. The US killed their young men and women, and slaughtered millions in the ME after that 9/11 attack. I never felt those wars were justified, but wars based on lies. We had an agenda for those wars before 9/11 happened. Read the Project for a New American Century? They said all they needed was a new pearl harbor and 9/11 gave them that. I'm going to listen to genocide Joe's speech and see if that demented fool can get through it. I see that you're hopeful in ending the USA gangster nation, well, I'm not.
Yes, Fran, peoples' own governments mass murdering their own citizens is most certainly a traumatic event but hiding from it, not bringing these monsters to account, the same low life scum who went on to mass murder 4 to 6 million more innocents MUST BE STOPPED.
They could have been or they could just have been a smoke screen. How did Israel get a hold of US Lawrence Livermore Labs 1990s discovered and developed "new generation of super explosives" nano scale thermites/thermates that were found in WTC dust along with the explosive by products of the same?
What "hijackers" though, Mango? There is no evidence for them, some were still alive after 9/11, some had died prior to 9/11. I agree that the cia/fbi/and other such scum were involved in setting up patsies for this but there is just too much/ volumes of scientific evidence that makes the usa fable an impossible fairy tale.
NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT ANY 9/11 ‘HIJACKERS’ BOARDED ANY PLANES
Folkds should stick to EVIDENCE, ONLY EVIDENCE, Mango, because all the rest of the other kind of stuff carries no weight. If westerners were to focus solely on EVIDENCE they would never vote for their Holocaust perpetrating political parties which have been ONLY scum since the Founding Scum/Genocidists/Liars/Rapists/Torturers/... .
Try to find ANY evidence, ACTUAL EVIDENCE from the perpetual lying usa governments. Measure that against ALL the volumes of EVIDENCE backed by hard science and the actualities of the event and EVERYTHING says NO HIJACKERS, WTCs 1, 2 & 7 were controlled demolitions using usa Lawrence Livermore Labs nano scale thermitic super explosives, WTC fire temps were sustained 1300F while Mo melted 4753F, lead boiled 3180F, WTCs 1, 2 & 7 structural steel melted 2800F and boiled 4500F+, unreacted particle of the Lawrence Livermore Labs nano scale thermitic super explosives were found in WTC dust along with all the explosive by products so why even go to all the nebulous things that only help the B/C neocons escape being hung.
I do not dispute any of the speculation that you advance, Mango, but the facts remain that the really only important point is that the alleged perps have been falsely accused and the towers were all controlled demolitions that could NOT have been done by anyone but the usa and whoever they conspired with to do the deeds. It is best to stick to the science and the clear, totally incontrovertible evidence that shows that the usa has murdered more Muslims in their always lying illegal invasions.
So much for the usa/the West being democracies. Just look at how the usa can mass murder some 2966 in the Twin Towers on 9/11 and the Pentagon, PA and very few care. Then the usa goes on from their preplanned 9/11 false flag to mass murder another 4 to 6 million folks in all their illegal invasions. That is more than the G Holocaust.
Then there is all the other usa Holocausts, the biggest one the American Holocaust which includes canada and all of Latin American nations, STILL going on to this day.
I don't disagree, and have a lot of questions about what happened on 9/11, and wonder whether it was the new Pearl harbor the neocons were waiting for and made happen. I did make a great effort to be part of the anti-war movement which came to naught so If you think I am pro-American in this regard, well that has never been true since I was 7 when those cowboys killed all the Indians who lived on this land first.
We have been over the part already about Fran and how she is a fantastic, fair, honest, decent, ... human being, Fran, and I believe it fully from your posts.
You know we recently lost a friend who worked close by and continued to so do for more then 20 years and he died just last year as a result. It affected his lungs. No smoker, a vegan, health minded. Really bad.
Lots of folks who were destroyed physically by the HIGHLY TOXIC WTC dust which the powers that be LIED their asses off about, again, saying no danger.
Another slam dunk point that also by its lonesome sinks the usa 9/11 fairy tale.
ONLY THE EXPLOSIVE POWER OF controlled demolitions could have turned 220 acres of rebar reinforced concrete floors about 5 inches deep with a steel pan on the bottom into micron sized particles in the same manner that volcanoes do.
Do you know about the Project for a New American Century? I was aware of their agenda, where U.S. military dominance would prevail in the 21st century. George Bush gets elected and Cheney makes himself vice president a real neocon. I had read about this before 9/11 and knew Cheney was a primary signatory, as were other's in the Bush administration as was Jeff Bush. No proof, but thought that 2001 election was stolen from Al Gore. When 9/11 happened I thought this is their New Pearl Harbor, which they claimed they would need to carry out an agenda, a military agenda to reconstruct the Middle East. Do I know this for sure, no, but I always feel this is something we knew about, and let happen. I left it at that, and just didn't want to really know. interesting that building seven, not attacked, pancakes down too. They said it was from the impact of the Twin Towers, bullshit. Interesting that some refer to the attack by Hamas as Israel's 9/11. Interesting that both went on a killing spree afterward. We killed over 4 million, and maybe Israel will kill some 2 million. I hate to go here and never really pursued what I thought could be true.
There is zero as in none, evidence for the USGsOfficial 9/11 Fairy Tale and volumes of incontrovertible evidence that it is a total usa lie just as most everything the usa ever says is lies. Iraq WMD, Pearl Harbor, Vietnam, Korea, Libya, Afghanistan, ..., ..., ..., ..., ... !!!
All the molten and boiled metals with melt/boil temps 1000 to 4000F greater than the WTC fire temperatures says the usa fable is a fairy tale.
See, https://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/
for the lowdown on all the melted/boiled WTC metals.
I know something about it, but as I might have said I just don't want to go there. Building 7 comes down and they said from the impact of the twin towers , yeah right. It was there new pearl harbor to carry out their middle eastern wars, how lucky could they get.
I don't understand "I just don't want to go there", Fran. No one is asking you to take on te task of exposing the B/C neocons but knowing how the usa murdered their own is fundamental to ending usa Gangster "nation".
I don't know if you live in the US, but that was a very traumatic event, and family and friends worked in the city. I didn't, but had to pick people up since they had to walk there way out of Manhattan. Not that I didn't follow the accusations, but never got that involved, however I was really involved in the anti-war movement and that was enough. When you say the US murdered their own, well, don't they always with their lying wars. The US killed their young men and women, and slaughtered millions in the ME after that 9/11 attack. I never felt those wars were justified, but wars based on lies. We had an agenda for those wars before 9/11 happened. Read the Project for a New American Century? They said all they needed was a new pearl harbor and 9/11 gave them that. I'm going to listen to genocide Joe's speech and see if that demented fool can get through it. I see that you're hopeful in ending the USA gangster nation, well, I'm not.
Yes, Fran, peoples' own governments mass murdering their own citizens is most certainly a traumatic event but hiding from it, not bringing these monsters to account, the same low life scum who went on to mass murder 4 to 6 million more innocents MUST BE STOPPED.
Exposing the usa as the mass murderers they are on 9/11 and since, figures up to 6 million, would go a long way to ending usa Gangster "nation".
The alternative is Russia and China defending themselves and the world's last WW, WW3 will end all human life, which maybe is what this Earth needs.
Think just how evil are usa governments that they will slaughter their own, 9/11 & PH for just two.
They could have been or they could just have been a smoke screen. How did Israel get a hold of US Lawrence Livermore Labs 1990s discovered and developed "new generation of super explosives" nano scale thermites/thermates that were found in WTC dust along with the explosive by products of the same?
What "hijackers" though, Mango? There is no evidence for them, some were still alive after 9/11, some had died prior to 9/11. I agree that the cia/fbi/and other such scum were involved in setting up patsies for this but there is just too much/ volumes of scientific evidence that makes the usa fable an impossible fairy tale.
NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT ANY 9/11 ‘HIJACKERS’ BOARDED ANY PLANES
https://truthandshadows.com/?s=No+evidence+for+9%2F11+hijackers
Bill Cooper was murdered by the FBI over his accurate predictions
Folkds should stick to EVIDENCE, ONLY EVIDENCE, Mango, because all the rest of the other kind of stuff carries no weight. If westerners were to focus solely on EVIDENCE they would never vote for their Holocaust perpetrating political parties which have been ONLY scum since the Founding Scum/Genocidists/Liars/Rapists/Torturers/... .
Try to find ANY evidence, ACTUAL EVIDENCE from the perpetual lying usa governments. Measure that against ALL the volumes of EVIDENCE backed by hard science and the actualities of the event and EVERYTHING says NO HIJACKERS, WTCs 1, 2 & 7 were controlled demolitions using usa Lawrence Livermore Labs nano scale thermitic super explosives, WTC fire temps were sustained 1300F while Mo melted 4753F, lead boiled 3180F, WTCs 1, 2 & 7 structural steel melted 2800F and boiled 4500F+, unreacted particle of the Lawrence Livermore Labs nano scale thermitic super explosives were found in WTC dust along with all the explosive by products so why even go to all the nebulous things that only help the B/C neocons escape being hung.
I do not dispute any of the speculation that you advance, Mango, but the facts remain that the really only important point is that the alleged perps have been falsely accused and the towers were all controlled demolitions that could NOT have been done by anyone but the usa and whoever they conspired with to do the deeds. It is best to stick to the science and the clear, totally incontrovertible evidence that shows that the usa has murdered more Muslims in their always lying illegal invasions.