I read that voters in Michigan feel let down by their leaders. And I think: You poor naive fools. Those people aren’t your leaders. Those people are paid actors, marionettes, dangled before your eyes by the operators-in-control, the Zionist billionaires, the black-hearted BlackRockers who own the fucking world, the AIPAC-ers who’d just as soon shoot you in the head as an anti-Semite as spit on you. You poor naive fools. There are no longer any real leaders in America.
Actually, we do have fine leaders - Nader, Hedges, Wolff, Sachs, Freeman, Ray McGovern, Mearsheimer and others who are teaching us with their knowledge and passion for truth and wisdom. They’re so valuable so helpful.
Agree with all those names, but sincerely doubt that those disaffected voters in Michigan have been much exposed to these folks as leaders -- certainly not in the garbage media most probably attend to . Hell, if Americans understood and absorbed half of what just Jeffrey Sachs had to say, we'd all learn about diplomacy, lay down our swords and shields down by the riverside and not be such war lovers.
I’ve been maintaining for a very long time that Amerikkka NEEDS a war on our own soil in order to change the warmongering inclinations of the Amerikkkan people. We can start with DC.
What I truly don’t get is how nations who experienced WWII, such as England and France, continue to happily contribute to worldwide destruction.
In my desired scenario, the mitten becomes a third finger to Kamala, Biden and the genocide democraps, so that she loses the state and consequently the election. And hell no, Trump's no better, dearie, he's a lunatic businessman / property a-hole who despoiled a lot of lives in Atlantic City [for example]. But I think the effing war hypocrisy of the past year needs to be punished as the prime directive. So fling that bird, Michigan!
If only they were in charge. I'm never voting R or D henceforth. Our election system is rigged and voting only validates it. We can't vote our way out of this. We live in an illusion of democracy and are breathing the embers of our dying Republic.
I'm voting for the only candidate who isn't insane or owned by AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱. I'm voting for Jill Stein! I was thinking of writing in one of your suggestions but Jill is running.
a. : government by the people. especially : rule of the majority.
b. : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
(merrium-webster. com)
A republic is a country where power is held by the people or the representatives that they elect. Republics have presidents who are elected. Not dictators. (collins dictionary. com)
According to the definitions of “democracy” and
“republic,” America is a democratic republic.
America is therefore a democratic republic.
A majority of voters is not a mob.
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An oligarchy is a small group of people having control of a country, organization, or institution.
A plutocracy is a country or society governed by
the wealthy. I’m pretty sure Trump and republicans are trying to make America a plutocracy for their own benefit, not AIPAC’s.
In America the majority rules and the government belongs to us, the people. Americans opposed to Trump are trying to keep it that way.
You're totally wrong. There's nothing you can do to change the system and take back the government from the Plutarchs and Oligarchs. You don't get it. We live in an ILLUSION of democracy created by Plutocratic and Military Institutions. AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱 owns FDT, FKH and Fkn Congress
Oh I get it. But there ARE things we can do to change the system. Getting rid of democracy is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Money has corrupted the system. More specifically, republicans
have used money to corrupt it and exploit voters.
We shouldn’t have to buy the government we want every two years. Voters can’t match corporate donations every two years endlessly. It’s a corrupt process that exploits voters.
If people would stop voting for republicans long enough to pass legislation that takes private money out of the election process and allow only the use of
public money for campaigns, it would solve a lot of our problems.
I'm not throwing democracy out with the bathwater. I want to return to true democracy which is government of the people, by the people for the people. If only the constitution is followed instead of circumvented we'd be on the right track.
Currently the election system is rigged by the PAC's of both the D and R Parties. In every state where Open Primaries are on the ballot those parties do their damnedest to kill it. They control the system on behalf of
AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱 who owns them. They are the Deep State and the Plutarchs who serve our oligarch rulers.
Democracy is mob rule. This is why the constitution defines our nation as a Republic. An example of democracy is a sheep and two wolves voting on what to have for dinner. The same example applied to a republic is the sheep has a gun. In other words, in a republic the minority still has a voice.
Bullying me isn’t going to stop me from writing what I think. That’s why we’re here. If you don’t have anything rational to add to the discussion, you can, and I say this with respect—get lost.
What a narrow vision you have of power. Conventional. Using it would put all the major writers, inventors, philosophers, journalists, psychologists/psychiatrists, etc as mere “sideline intellectual pundits”. Including People like Daniel Ellsberg. Toni Morrison. Hmmm. Jesus?
Selina, I just can't get to the "wide vision" (as opposed to "narrow vision") you espouse. I just can't get beyond my consternation and frustration that the "fine leaders" Nader ... Mearsheimer can't get together and stand as a principled group FOR DAYS OR WEEKS on the steps of the Capitol, FORCING the bought-and-paid congresscritters and the execrable media to take note and to finally turn the tide. If that sort of concerted solidarity is not put into play, then Nader ... Mearsheimer amount to little more than the above-noted "sideline intellectual pundits." Don't you, Selina, ignore that these are different days from those of Jesus...whereby today the Internet, IT, AI et al can AND MUST BE LEVERAGED to "out and oust" those malefactors who, for the "Benjamins, Baby," want to keep the People in the dark and out of power?
Note: I'm not attacking you personally, but it seems to me that what I've written needs to be written, and re-written, and made known far and wide. Second Note: I did write, now months ago, to my decades-long hero Ralph Nader via his Internet connection and make my point to him...no response....
Am I naive? Doesn't the old adage "There is strength in numbers" apply at all here? We need NUMBERS of well-known public figures in front of the US Capitol Building, don't we?
Jenny, your "Why should these people 'gang together' they know more than you and me." statement doesn't make much sense to me....
The two most lethal word in US "culture": SHOP NOW. Lethal to the psyche of a terminally distracted society; ultimately lethal to the biosphere, including humans themselves.
It's there, but barely. But back when I was a youngster (did I ever think I'd hear myself saying this?) geography was a big deal. My bro and I had a pentagraph (think that's what it was called ), a wooden contraption that allowed tracing of smaller map outlines to transfer larger images to poster board. Then we'd label and watercolor the countries. Creative geography fun, learning geography at the limits of my visual-art skills (not like you). But you're right about the curriculum nowadays. I always bring Paul Simon's "Kodachrome" to mind when the US public ed system is discussed: "when I think back 'bout all the crap I learned in high school, it's a wonder I can think at all".
And because America is a GIANT FUCKING MEGACORPORATION cosplaying as a nation; this is what happens when you let businessmen, bankers, stock brokers (as well as fanactical abrahamic types) rule over the common folk! They don't see you as people, but walking, living breathing dollar signs by the former; goyim aka fat cattle to be slaughtered or "lesser" races by the you know who.
CJ>>"It’s like yes asshole, it’s very nice to be living in the imperial core that’s receiving the benefits of mass murder and imperialist extraction, and it’s less nice to live in the countries where the murder and extraction is happening. That’s the entire fucking point here."
THANK YOU! You said in two sentences exactly what I've wanted to say SO MANY TIMES every time a discussion about "how good the West is" comes up.
CJ>>"It can be nice to live in the western world, but the western world is not nice. Ours is the most savage and thuggish civilization on this planet, and it’s not even close."
- This is what most people living in the "West" still DO NOT REALIZE - they are still in their cocoons and echo chambers of FALSE NARRATIVES and propaganda.
Yep, Caitlin has a way with words and a clear sight.
If you think about it, it is much the same argument wealthier people make about the "poorer" areas in their own countries too.
"It's squalid there, and so are the people" - missing the blazingly obvious that it is squalid because it is poor, and it is poor because people like them have sucked the wealth out for generations.
"My first encounter with Israelis was when I was backpacking through South America in my twenties, and I remember being shocked by how consistently awful they all were. I guess after their mandatory military service they tend to go traveling for a bit, and whenever I’d run into them they were reliably some of the nastiest people I’d ever encountered."
Give any group of humans unlimited rights and special pleading and zero obligations, and you'll get Instant Assholes. Don't even need to add water.
SICKRAEL – the State of Hate and the greatest intended mass murderer of children in history. Anyone who says that represents Judaism must really hate Jews.
Thank you Roslyn for clarifying something for me. There is a difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. I know that. Hell, Palestinians are Semites! I'm certainly not an antisemite but I am an antizionist.
I was reading another Substack writer and had difficulty trying to figure out if he's a Nazi. You helped me do so.
It is interesting to read the history of Zionism. The Zionists were atheists but needed Jewish money, a story and numbers. They despised European Jews for allowing the Germans to triumph over them. They also killed Jews who opposed Zionism.
A lot of Jews, particularly Orthodox opposed Zionism from the start but many did not and chose to ride what must have been at least unconsciously, the glory train of Jewish superiority. I think a lot of Jews, particularly the fake ones, atheists, really got off on the idea that they were smarter, better and superior to all other humans.
Not really. That is the Zionist story. The smart people were the Germans and many Germans were Jews but the culture not the religion created the smarts. Germans are still among the smartest people on the planet and Jews are not.
Many Germans are good at what they do but that's it. They are not called "Fachidiot" for no reason. They are so narrow-minded and have tunnel vision. In fact very dumb and now especially disgusting supporting genocide of Palestinians. New German Gestapo beating and jailing peaceful anti-genocide protesters. A true western culture. German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock publicly stating that it is OK for Israel to target Palestinian civilians in a war!!!! Seems like lesson of WW2 was not good enough for Germany.
"Germans are still among the smartest people on the planet" - you might be confusing skill/professionalism in a narrow field with overall intelligence.
.... yet Germany still has plenty falling for the Nazi schtick again. Perhaps it is wrong to speak of smart/smartest people. When Jews in Europe were up against prejudice and discrimination, they had a culture of education. Now they are in Israel as the U.S. empire's protégé, some of them have become monsters.
IF ISRAEL ENDS THE OCCUPATION AND RELEASES SIX MILLION PALESTINIAN HOSTAGES THEN THEY GET THEIR HUNDRED OR SO HOSTAGES BACK. SOUNDS FAIR.
Yes the Palestinian Resistance was on a mission to take hostages because that has been the only language Israel has ever spoken. Hence the invention of the Hannibal Directive. And since Israeli hostages are swapped for Palestinian hostages held in Israeli prisons, at this point more than 10,000, hundreds of them children, held without charge or trial and tortured AND RAPED it is understandable that the Palestinians wanted hostages.
Your 'brave' soldiers and police are guilty, as are the vast majority of Israeli civilians having served in the army, of the most horrific crimes and atrocities against the Palestinians and were legitimate targets for a Resistance militia.
Well said! We humans behave as badly as we're allowed to, and as well as we're compelled to. Forgive the cynicism, but that's been my observation over 63 years ....
"Give any group of humans unlimited rights and special pleading and zero obligations . . ."
Which, of course, is pretty similar to Lord Acton's famous (but very underrated) observation, that all power tends to corrupt, and that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
It really is about time for the world's population to see Israelis for who they are and what they have become through the developed skills of being able to use money as a stepping stone to power, cultivating the weaknesses in others to gain an advantage and using any developed power to further their level of skills in developing the next step, bribery and corruption to gain influence.
Because we are all influenced by and respectful of success, Israeli successes, often due to well financed government support in new enterprises, but often with business practices that often contain little in the way of consideration for others, have been tolerated in places like the UK, where they have even risen to be respected and rewarded accordingly with the way the English do this through Knighthoods, Lordships, sickly pomp and circumstance and often, too often, political authority and influence over some hundreds of years.
This has built up into a level of respectfulness which has definitely been an error, a great deal of which needs to be reconsidered if anyone is likely to ever respect any Jew, anywhere, after they have been made to discontinue their genocide actions and to conform to the majority opinion of other countries and are most severely punished for their actions. Naturally, this does not include the USA, strapped tightly into a Jewish made and expanding environment and treated by their captors, Israel, as a pathetic host (in their own country).
How's that for a deserved punishment. But sadly, it will affect the people and not the politicians, warmongers and CIA operatives along the road ahead. They'll survive.
But even then, they will still be Jews, Israelis, Zionists and on and thereby sits the problem.
Their breed hides in many guises, under many names, right now the most descriptive being cold-blooded barbaric murderers, butchers, rapists, child killers, summarising as perhaps the most hated people in history. However, based on the total subservience of the white Western leaders, this does not YET include those naive corrupted countries who can't see the wood for the trees.. They will. Their people will make it happen......one day.
The world does not need people like Israelis occupying space on our planet.
While we are on this subject, do not be deluded into thinking that the Jews living in other countries, often your next door neighbours (if you are wealthy) dual-passported as so many are, have a loyalty to their new country.
History over time has found this not to be the case. They all have a bond with the 9 million fellow Israelis and always will have.
Ask any Jewish person you know if they support Israel, but be prepared for just another lie, dished out daily as in Tel Aviv by the truckload.
They are what they are and have always been since Israel was created on stolen land by the British, one of those Western countries in bed with Israel and all its crimes.
There are and always were Jews who were exceptions. Too many got their rocks off on the bullshit stories about Ditzrael because it pandered to their ego.
True, Roslyn and I have known many as well, a long time ago.
But when the chips are down, like now, the name of the game is sticking together, and that's the truth of it. There is safety in numbers. Check the sponsorship list for both the Democrats and Republicans. Billions for both.....and they are so called "Americans".
Yes, you make a good point which I had forgotten. Human nature being what it is people will return to the tribe if they think it is safer, even when it is not, but so they do not feel alone. Judaism has thousands of years belief in persecution, victimhood and superiority - unconsciously of course they are hated because they are superior. This creates a morphogenetic field which operates unconsciously in real Jews and fake atheists. There are exceptions but they are few. It is a matter of how much Judaic paranoia has been diluted by living normally as citizens.
Let us not forget what country/countries is/are giving unconditional support to Israel, and realize that means all the bombs, delivery systems, and other forms of weaponry it wants. The people and corporations creating and profitting from this weaponry also use the war in the Middle East to test its weapons systems which they then get to sell to whomever can pay for it as 'battle tested'. Without this weaponry, Israel's war would very quickly be over.
Yes, Yvonne. Let us not forget. The USA, totally responsible, Germany, France, Canada, Australia, New Zealand,. All the white Westerners, Christians at large.
Most through subservience and the acceptance by weak governments like Australia due to the total US dominance of their foreign policies.
But Germany?
There's the enigma. Why? And the extent to which Scholtz is taking this matter, reflected in his oft-quoted speeches. It barey beggars belief. I ask again...why?
One can understand Australia with both weak leaders of like mind, facing an election in six months but in thinking that their stated grovel-to-the-US-and Israel policies are appealing to the majority of voters is totally naive. Both are weak, both towing the US line and still under the illusion that Israel as a stolen state has some value. Not to the voters, it doesn't. Not for a split second.
If it vanished tomorrow, the world would be a better place. So say almost all of us.
The totally Israeli-controlled USA being the exception with an estimated 85% of 330 million people not knowing and seemingly not caring what their policies are from one day to the next, how many Arabic people are now dead through US support.
Genocide? What's that? A new Television program. What network is it on?
However, certainly not anyone who is into justice and humanitarian values, peaceful coexistence and respect.. A dying breed in both USA parties.
You have no idea bc you apparently have already decided that ALL ISRAELIS ARE ONE TYPE. THEYRE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN BOMBED REPEATEDLY. DONT CARE WHAT U THINK. ARE ALL AMERICANS LIKE DONAL CRIMINAL TRUMP? No.
I had a similar encounter with Israelis here and this was after the Foreign Minister had told all Israeli's on holiday to be polite! They were obnoxious to the waiter in the restaurant/complained endlessly.
Jenny, I read a story about a Vietnamese restaurant owner who refused to serve IsraHelli tourists, though I believe it was more out of solidarity with Palestine.
Israel is Nazi Germany at its worst but with better PR and instead of mistreating and killing Jews they are killing and mistreating Palestinians. The difference is that in the 1930/40 period the Jews hadn't invented a media service to expose their ill treatment and to protect them . Now hey have one that hides their mindless violence and vigorously protects them with loud cries of anti semitism if these are exposed.
How was he not a Jew? He was certainly not a Christian - he would have been confused if you could go back in time and talk to him in Aramaic about Christianity.
Many different peoples lived in ancient Palestine and most of them were not Jews. There is no record of Jesus in his times from the Herodians, Romans or contemporary historians. The first mention by historians was more than half a century or more after his death, by which time everyone who was alive when he supposedly lived, was dead. Christianity was invented by Saul/Paul century and more later.
No indeed, pretty much all ancient people were "pagans". Judaism was however the first of the monotheist faiths, and it is entirely conceivable to me that some of those who converted to Judaism had descendants who converted to Christianity and then to Islam.
The same people who were there all along. Yes, Jesus' existence is disputed (some say that the Biblical John the Baptist was the real figure, for example).
Well, actually Jews are people. Just as Moslems and Christians are. The ruling class of the Jews are some of the most powerful people in the world but the are rarely if ever the ones who get shoved into the gas chambers. Last time they were getting shoved into gas chambers the real bad ones had moved their wealth to UK and US etc and the poorer less guilty (if at all) Jews were the ones to suffer. Not anything like 6 million of course but a lot. , and even one is too many
No religion makes a people in the sense of a group united by language, history, culture. And no, such unity from the religion does not make a people it makes a religion. Otherwise agree with your statements.
"The Democratic Party really does look ready to lose yet another easily winnable election by running yet another awful, murderous candidate with awful, murderous policies, and then once again blame their loss on everyone in America who is a better person than they are."
It's really astonishing sometimes, the utter vacuity and soullessness of our American Rulers. And how docile the American people have become to their subjugation by buffoons all to willing to lead us into World War III.
Many US Americans are either oblivious, ignorant or don't care. The comforts of theft paralyze some. The mall has a sale. The NFL beckens. Many people often believe words rather than actions.
Fear is another factor along with feeling powerless. US people fear the homelessness, hunger and job losses.
Rising up against these monsters takes unity, energy and stamina. As a citizenry, we have allowed technology, weapons, drones and mass surveillance to supercede our collective power. I'm older and I've seen it coming for over 50 years.
People I know in the US (friends and family) cannot think of anything worse than Trump as President- they are so scared of that, they are happy to vote for Genocide Joe and ‘Most Lethal Weapons/army Harris’ continuing genocide of the Palestinians preferable to a Trump presidency 🙄
Many pundits argue the Democrats are the worse evil, since they are able to get away with more once in power than the Republicans.
It doesn't really matter much which party takes power - the American people remain screwed either way.
I certainly feel a sense of powerlessness in my life right now. It is true, there are forces in life that really are beyond one's control. Getting older for example ... Or a nuclear war - perhaps another.
It appears Trump is willing to sell out Gaza and Wrst Bank land to Israeli occupation. Also he just stated that Israel should attack their nuke plant. Fortunately Putin has warned Israel to not even think about it. I am hoping that Trump is just trolling for dollars making these statements.
Yes! If all the disaffected with D/R voted for Jill Stein, it wound create momentum (that 5%) to move beyond the corrupted two-party system. Of course, that should have happened years ago, but perhaps the growing numbers of frustrated people means the time is ripe to build a viable "None of the Above" party BETWEEN election years.
If the Dems lose to Trump, part of me hopes they'll run an FDR Democrat in 2028. But they won't. They're going to run a Cheney-endorsed Bush Neocon in 2028. We're cooked.
In a corrupt organization (the Democratic Party), they cannot bring anyone in who is less corrupt, or more intelligent than they are. Thus, every political cycle (2-4 years) the party becomes more corrupt and more stupid.
The Republicans sold out to the corporations about 15 years ahead of the Dems, so their clown show is more obvious, but the Dems have reached it now.
The western world has always been like this. I just found out the story of Oney Judge, one of George and Martha Washington's house slaves. She ran away from them in Philadelphia and made it to New Hampshire, though they searched for her to bring her back. Freed, she married and had a family. The Washingtons actually wrote to her and asked her to come back to them. Think about the mindset it takes to think that a slave that ran away would consider returning if you ask. She did not return. This is in a book "Beneath the Mountain: an Anti-Prison Reader".
I ran across a quite a few young Israelis during my backpacking years around Asia in the 80s and 90s and can mostly support what Caitlin says about them. In particular many of them had phone phreaking skills and as a result most cheap tourist places had removed their phones after receiving huge bills listing calls to Israel. A Chinese friend of mine who ran a Singapore crash pad had reluctantly implemented a policy of turning away Israeli customers after multiple instances of arrogance and racism towards Chinese and Malay staff.
But I *did* meet a few humane Israelis who treated their non-European hosts well and were appalled by the behaviour of their countrymen and women (BTW, I was also appalled by the racism and drunken yobbism of many of my fellow Australian tourists in Asia and avoided places they congregated).
On a long Indian train trip I met an Israeli who had just finished his stint as a Merkava gunner and was deeply respectful of Indians and their culture. He was also horrified with the attitude of his former IDF colleagues towards Palestinians and was the first to open my eyes about the abuses the latter suffered under the illegal occupation. We became friends and traveled together for some time and it seemed his well of horror stories about the IDF was bottomless.
I was merely pointing out that you can't apply universal generalisations to people based on nationality any more than you can based on race, religion, gender or sexuality. OTOH you can make more valid generalisations regarding politics and ideology.
Substitute 'German' for 'nazi' in your comment and you might learn something.
Seems to me he doesn't believe any Israelis (or Jews in general) are capable of 'reform'.
I gave an example of a former IDF soldier who reformed *me* (at least in regards to my naivete about the Occupation and the extent of IDF abuses of Palestinians) but I don't think he reformed. I don't think he ever bought into the Zionist agenda or settler-colonial racism against Palestinians. I wonder how many others would have the strength of character to be like that after being born and raised as an Israeli Jew.
Oh dear. I've also been an acquaintance of Antony Loewenstein since his days as a Fairfax cadet and an admirer of both his and Jonathon Cook's journalism about Israel. Both are Jewish, so I guess that means they're potential war criminals, mass rapists and pedophiles and I'm one of their enablers.
Presumably my long term friendships with two Palestinian Australian activists also means I dehumanise Israelis and am an apologist for every abuse ever committed by any Palestinian anywhere at any time.
I guess treating people as human beings rather than instances of a type makes me a hater.
Maybe after ending this genocide, Zionists and other Jewish people could change their minds? It is possible as a long-term possibility. Changing minds can be difficult, or it can happen suddenly? With regard to Israeli hate, it appears to be difficult. All of this is wrong.
i see your point. i don't see how it will lead to palestinian liberation. people, even palestinians, will not agree to the extermination of the jews to make up for what has been done to palestinians.
because i'm a westerner and conditioned as such. i am also pretty paranoid regarding neo-nazi's and zionist hasbarists who both promote the idea. but, again, i understand your point: some westerners often seem to object to certain generalisations and feel compelled to counter them. i'd suggest that you also mention polls (supporting israel's actions) among christians, americans, russians and europeans, and muslims in saudi arabia, jordan, egypt and maybe distinguish between ordinary people and 'leaders', elites.
i see those jews that oppose the genocide as above criticism. i see others (aaron bushnell) opposing the genocide as above criticism. i see opposition to dehumanization as above criticism. those who think hating max blumenthal is more important than despising matthew miller or donald trump should be criticized imo.
all ordinary people are different from their elites, otherwise they wouldn't be elites. genocidal israeli's are bad, their elites are worse. jews, christians, muslims, hindus, russians, chinese, guatemalans, ... who don't care about buying israeli stuff are bad, those still trading with israel are worse. those still trading weapons are the worst.
i think israelis oppressed the palestinians for 3 generations with the total support of the western empire.
I used to wonder why the Palestinians didn’t all just convert. Then I learned that the rules in Israel about converting are very strict. Not just any rabbi can do conversions that Israel would accept.
I like your idea of the rest of us doing that instead, and freeing the Palestinians by overturning the racist laws, and actually allowing them the right of return.
We really do need every one of us to be thinking creatively about this, and coming up with novel approaches. You never know what might turn out to be an invaluable step on the road to resolution.
That's right! Non Jews will never ever be good enough for the inner sanctum of pure Jewishness. That right there makes me hate em for being exclusive when it's widely known good creates all humans equal. We start with a body a mind and a conscience that knows right from wrong. After that, we fuck things up beyond all recognition to get situation normal all fucked up. Most people aren't very good inside or else genocide would be only an authors suspicion of mans depravity.
"Whenever I say this I get westerners going “Oh yeah well I’d much rather live here then over there” or “Oh well if it’s so bad here then why don’t you go live over there?”, but the fact that they immediately start babbling about where they’d prefer to live is just a symptom of how sick and twisted this civilization is."
I am sure that, all things considered, it was more pleasant to live in Berlin in 1942 than be an untermensch in Occupied Poland or wherever.
For these morons who don’t understand that 6 million Jews were snuffed out …… 6 million…… we aren’t falling for hateful judgments and would prefer to ignore your stupidity.
Do you grow up with a parent or parents that were starved or tortured bc they were Hitlers scapegoats? Trust me. THE TRAUMA YOU IGNORE IS BEYOND MY COMPREHENSION.
NETANYAHU, TRUMPS BUDDY IS AINHUMANE BUT AFTER 1200 peaceful music lovers were so violently and viciously attacked……
Where r the hostages? When Palestine received BILLIONS OF $$$
Did they build schools or neighborhoods? No. That built underground tunnels so Hamas and Hezbollah could attack Israel and then hide.
Not going back to again being shit on by Jew haters.
Return the hostages is the first ask.
Palestine is also victim to these Hamas and HEZBOLLAH TERROISTS.
BUT THEY JUST WANT THE WORLD TO FORGET ABOUT THEIR DESPICABLE MURDEROUS BEHAVIOR.
RETURN THE HOSTAGES. BUT THOSE TERROISTS CANT. OR WONT.
KIDNAPPING INNOCENT CHILDREN ? Apparently that’s fine by you. Because they’re Israeli and Jewish.
Fuck that fucking lie, even the Jews say that only 136, 528 Jews died during WW2, most of those probably died by serving in Hitler's armies. Any, your species seems to love blood lust. So, enjoy yourselves and all your lies.
As if history began on October 7th. You sound like you'd blame the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto for fighting back (the Nazis used your exact rhetoric about the Ghetto that you parrot) or Nat Turner for killing the slaveholders who fed him, housed him and gave him a job.
For over 60 years I've known I'm living in the belly of the beast, and I really love the comebacks Caitlin has for all those asshole comments that have been made to me over the many, many, many years of verbal abuse dished out by the ignorant pawns of empire. Thank you Caitlin!
I can't remember when I first realized Israel was all wrong. About 50 years ago, I was having a discussion with 2 men who considered themselves in the know about wars etc. I said "well, maybe Israel was a great idea, the only problem is that the country they chose already had people living there". I was told to go back to grade one. I only ever met one Israeli that I remember. He was in my journalism class and he hated what the Israelis were doing to the Palestinians. I don't know where he went after that. I live in a Jewish neighbourhood now and I have had one encounter in the produce store when I didn't buy Israeli produce. A woman asked me if I didn't like Israel. I paused and then said I didn't like what Netanyahu is doing. She declared that I must love Hamas then. Well, at least the store owner does not get produce from Israel any more.
Zionism was the problem that time. They were taught that they were the "chosen ones" and that Palestine was theirs. It is always a problem when one group of people decide that it is a good idea for them to take over someone else's land. It was a big problem in America too, where the indigenous people were referred to as "savages" and that genocide happened.
There were genocidal moments in the colonising of the US but it was not the policy or intention from the start. The British were colonised violently a dozen times as were most Europeans. Indeed, as have been most humans.
In the past half century some truths have come to light about the past and more fabrications have been created. Retrofitting modern values to the past is never wise.
people committing genocide use the same language, yes, and then apologists for these various genocides justify it, the way you absolve genocide by western countries. the context is the Americans were committting genocide against the native inhabitants that interfered with colonisation, as the Israelis are committing genocide against the Palestinians, again because they are a hindrance to colonisation. for some reason you seem to support genocide unless committed by Israelis against Palestinians.
As you very well know, the argument is whether the American committed genocide, you lie about that repeatedly, lately by claiming it is "retrofitting values". it's all bullshit. I"m not going to waste any more time on you.
Thank you, Caitlin. My former fiance, who was Jewish, despised Israelis. He thought they were crude bastards. So did his parents, who actually lost relatives in the Nazi holocaust.
Myself and the person I was travelling with in the late 1980s which included a visit to "Israel" (primarily only in order to get to Egypt more cheaply) don't remember particularly liking any "Israelis", and NOT liking a large number of them. We also were told horror stories from other backpackers, like a Dutch girl being beaten up by her "Israeli" boyfriend, and another pair who had to steal their passport back and escape from a Kibbutz after being threatened by the "Israeli" running the place. A country of racist murderous nut jobs. And we both thought the entire "country" was a big sh1thole populated by psychos.
"They consistently treated the people who were looking after us like they were much lesser than us. Their pushiness and entitlement were just unbelievable." I've seen the same in NY City.
You probably saw Zionist Jews doing it in New York City. Very large population of them there, along with the synagogues that sell the land of the Palestinians they just killed.
yep & very few have the balls to call it out so ❤️🙏Bless you sister we have got to stand against this fucked up Amoral satanic death cult we call home & the Zionist leadershit & its american lackys. We have been getting the "antisemitic okeydoke for generations" Do i know good Jews? yes plenty i think? but I guess the shit in the fan we will see where people get in line? its NOT COMPLICATED. GENOCIDE are you FOR OR AGAINST . FULL motherfucking stop
" It’s not until you’ve done a fair bit of research that you go, wait, okay no, we are actually quantifiably far more destructive than any other power structure on earth, by an extremely massive margin."
I don't know why this is so hard a concept for some Westerners to understand. If you live in a country that has nuclear weapons and uses them to threaten the rest of the planet into cooperating with them, causing others to cave in every chance they get, then that's an indication you're not living in a "good guy" country. It's like that viral video says, "Are we the baddies?" Yeah, Uncle Sam fetishers, we are the baddies. Start working on getting us well.
I think most, if not all, of us are born the protagonists of our own lives, and into a narrative that shapes how we see the world. For many, that narrative and perspective, apparently, never changes. That suggests breaking out of the narrative is very difficult, and extremely unpleasant. That might account for at least some of why it’s so hard.
I read that voters in Michigan feel let down by their leaders. And I think: You poor naive fools. Those people aren’t your leaders. Those people are paid actors, marionettes, dangled before your eyes by the operators-in-control, the Zionist billionaires, the black-hearted BlackRockers who own the fucking world, the AIPAC-ers who’d just as soon shoot you in the head as an anti-Semite as spit on you. You poor naive fools. There are no longer any real leaders in America.
Actually, we do have fine leaders - Nader, Hedges, Wolff, Sachs, Freeman, Ray McGovern, Mearsheimer and others who are teaching us with their knowledge and passion for truth and wisdom. They’re so valuable so helpful.
Agree with all those names, but sincerely doubt that those disaffected voters in Michigan have been much exposed to these folks as leaders -- certainly not in the garbage media most probably attend to . Hell, if Americans understood and absorbed half of what just Jeffrey Sachs had to say, we'd all learn about diplomacy, lay down our swords and shields down by the riverside and not be such war lovers.
Americans are such war lovers because war hasn’t happened to them in the real sense for a very, very long time.
A quite pertinent observation. It's all Hollywwod dream stuff.
Hi Edijal
I’ve been maintaining for a very long time that Amerikkka NEEDS a war on our own soil in order to change the warmongering inclinations of the Amerikkkan people. We can start with DC.
What I truly don’t get is how nations who experienced WWII, such as England and France, continue to happily contribute to worldwide destruction.
your insane please seek help
your insane please seek help
your insane please seek help
Hi Vin
Resident of the Mitten here. I’ll bet my life that Jill Stein receives more votes from my state than any other, for what it’s worth.
Hey Gypsy,
In my desired scenario, the mitten becomes a third finger to Kamala, Biden and the genocide democraps, so that she loses the state and consequently the election. And hell no, Trump's no better, dearie, he's a lunatic businessman / property a-hole who despoiled a lot of lives in Atlantic City [for example]. But I think the effing war hypocrisy of the past year needs to be punished as the prime directive. So fling that bird, Michigan!
If only they were in charge. I'm never voting R or D henceforth. Our election system is rigged and voting only validates it. We can't vote our way out of this. We live in an illusion of democracy and are breathing the embers of our dying Republic.
I'm voting for the only candidate who isn't insane or owned by AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱. I'm voting for Jill Stein! I was thinking of writing in one of your suggestions but Jill is running.
Longtrail, democracy is-
a. : government by the people. especially : rule of the majority.
b. : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
(merrium-webster. com)
A republic is a country where power is held by the people or the representatives that they elect. Republics have presidents who are elected. Not dictators. (collins dictionary. com)
According to the definitions of “democracy” and
“republic,” America is a democratic republic.
America is therefore a democratic republic.
A majority of voters is not a mob.
.
An oligarchy is a small group of people having control of a country, organization, or institution.
A plutocracy is a country or society governed by
the wealthy. I’m pretty sure Trump and republicans are trying to make America a plutocracy for their own benefit, not AIPAC’s.
In America the majority rules and the government belongs to us, the people. Americans opposed to Trump are trying to keep it that way.
Whatever. Have a nice day.
Longtrail, A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump,
but I think you know that. Your comment reeks of
fascist rhetoric that all is lost and no one should bother to vote. That’s a dead givaway that you’ve got an agenda to take down democracy.
Most Americans know better than to be influenced by the likes of you.
You're totally wrong. There's nothing you can do to change the system and take back the government from the Plutarchs and Oligarchs. You don't get it. We live in an ILLUSION of democracy created by Plutocratic and Military Institutions. AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱 owns FDT, FKH and Fkn Congress
Oh I get it. But there ARE things we can do to change the system. Getting rid of democracy is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Money has corrupted the system. More specifically, republicans
have used money to corrupt it and exploit voters.
We shouldn’t have to buy the government we want every two years. Voters can’t match corporate donations every two years endlessly. It’s a corrupt process that exploits voters.
If people would stop voting for republicans long enough to pass legislation that takes private money out of the election process and allow only the use of
public money for campaigns, it would solve a lot of our problems.
I'm not throwing democracy out with the bathwater. I want to return to true democracy which is government of the people, by the people for the people. If only the constitution is followed instead of circumvented we'd be on the right track.
Currently the election system is rigged by the PAC's of both the D and R Parties. In every state where Open Primaries are on the ballot those parties do their damnedest to kill it. They control the system on behalf of
AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱 who owns them. They are the Deep State and the Plutarchs who serve our oligarch rulers.
Democracy is mob rule. This is why the constitution defines our nation as a Republic. An example of democracy is a sheep and two wolves voting on what to have for dinner. The same example applied to a republic is the sheep has a gun. In other words, in a republic the minority still has a voice.
Capish?
Susan, GTFOH. A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for JILL STEIN.
Go ahead and be a sheep for the duopoly if you wish, but don’t expect the more intelligent of us to follow your sorry-ass example.
Bullying me isn’t going to stop me from writing what I think. That’s why we’re here. If you don’t have anything rational to add to the discussion, you can, and I say this with respect—get lost.
They're not leaders if they're not influencing power. They're just sideline intellectual pundits.
What a narrow vision you have of power. Conventional. Using it would put all the major writers, inventors, philosophers, journalists, psychologists/psychiatrists, etc as mere “sideline intellectual pundits”. Including People like Daniel Ellsberg. Toni Morrison. Hmmm. Jesus?
Selina, I just can't get to the "wide vision" (as opposed to "narrow vision") you espouse. I just can't get beyond my consternation and frustration that the "fine leaders" Nader ... Mearsheimer can't get together and stand as a principled group FOR DAYS OR WEEKS on the steps of the Capitol, FORCING the bought-and-paid congresscritters and the execrable media to take note and to finally turn the tide. If that sort of concerted solidarity is not put into play, then Nader ... Mearsheimer amount to little more than the above-noted "sideline intellectual pundits." Don't you, Selina, ignore that these are different days from those of Jesus...whereby today the Internet, IT, AI et al can AND MUST BE LEVERAGED to "out and oust" those malefactors who, for the "Benjamins, Baby," want to keep the People in the dark and out of power?
Note: I'm not attacking you personally, but it seems to me that what I've written needs to be written, and re-written, and made known far and wide. Second Note: I did write, now months ago, to my decades-long hero Ralph Nader via his Internet connection and make my point to him...no response....
Why should these people 'gang together' they know more than you and me.
Several have said that if Trump gets in they are likely going to be in camps!
I am not a democratic supporter at all.
IF you want to get "Zionist" money out of the USA you are going to have to fight for it yourselves..
Am I naive? Doesn't the old adage "There is strength in numbers" apply at all here? We need NUMBERS of well-known public figures in front of the US Capitol Building, don't we?
Jenny, your "Why should these people 'gang together' they know more than you and me." statement doesn't make much sense to me....
IF you look at comments: They are MOST certainly influencing voters.
SO what do we Gavin Farrell?
Not listen to truth tellers?
As I said above: They would be assassinated.
What the US does not seem to understand, is that you have allowed money to rule. Try getting shot of AIPAC!
They are more owners than leaders. They have bought and paid for America, and are bidding on the rest of the world.
Correct. While Americans did not vote because they could go shopping!
The two most lethal word in US "culture": SHOP NOW. Lethal to the psyche of a terminally distracted society; ultimately lethal to the biosphere, including humans themselves.
Correct.
While Americans were 'shopping' they did not vote nor did they bother to look what the USA was doing in other countries
They did not care.
NO Geography
No World History in their education system.
It's there, but barely. But back when I was a youngster (did I ever think I'd hear myself saying this?) geography was a big deal. My bro and I had a pentagraph (think that's what it was called ), a wooden contraption that allowed tracing of smaller map outlines to transfer larger images to poster board. Then we'd label and watercolor the countries. Creative geography fun, learning geography at the limits of my visual-art skills (not like you). But you're right about the curriculum nowadays. I always bring Paul Simon's "Kodachrome" to mind when the US public ed system is discussed: "when I think back 'bout all the crap I learned in high school, it's a wonder I can think at all".
Hi Vin
I too loved geography in school. My sister and I drew maps incessantly.
My daughter was in the education system in the US (California) She learned nothing but how to buy drugs whilst the whole Campus was full of police!
How do you educate kids in this type of environment?
Nothing but GREED and every person for themselves.
Had enough.
It is time for Karma.
Let the Americans find out about war.
Which is why we need REVOLUTION, Marci.
The people occupying positions of leadership are salesmen for the oligarchy.
Yep - along with the corporate media whores.
And because America is a GIANT FUCKING MEGACORPORATION cosplaying as a nation; this is what happens when you let businessmen, bankers, stock brokers (as well as fanactical abrahamic types) rule over the common folk! They don't see you as people, but walking, living breathing dollar signs by the former; goyim aka fat cattle to be slaughtered or "lesser" races by the you know who.
You're thinking very clearly my friend. By the way, check out who the chairman of BlackRock is.
Longtrail.
Spot on.
WHO ? Tell us.
Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio ...
Not one so-called 'decent' Politician who would not accept/forced to accept AIPAC money.
I believe Ralph Nader would not accept AIPAC money nor presumably Jill Stein BUT who is going to get through this BIG wall erected by Zionists.
It's finished USA and UK/EU
You've got to have a 'death wish' to stand against AIPAC
We are so on the same page Jenny.❤️
CJ>>"It’s like yes asshole, it’s very nice to be living in the imperial core that’s receiving the benefits of mass murder and imperialist extraction, and it’s less nice to live in the countries where the murder and extraction is happening. That’s the entire fucking point here."
THANK YOU! You said in two sentences exactly what I've wanted to say SO MANY TIMES every time a discussion about "how good the West is" comes up.
CJ>>"It can be nice to live in the western world, but the western world is not nice. Ours is the most savage and thuggish civilization on this planet, and it’s not even close."
- This is what most people living in the "West" still DO NOT REALIZE - they are still in their cocoons and echo chambers of FALSE NARRATIVES and propaganda.
Yep, Caitlin has a way with words and a clear sight.
If you think about it, it is much the same argument wealthier people make about the "poorer" areas in their own countries too.
"It's squalid there, and so are the people" - missing the blazingly obvious that it is squalid because it is poor, and it is poor because people like them have sucked the wealth out for generations.
🎯 So true!
"My first encounter with Israelis was when I was backpacking through South America in my twenties, and I remember being shocked by how consistently awful they all were. I guess after their mandatory military service they tend to go traveling for a bit, and whenever I’d run into them they were reliably some of the nastiest people I’d ever encountered."
Give any group of humans unlimited rights and special pleading and zero obligations, and you'll get Instant Assholes. Don't even need to add water.
SICKRAEL – the State of Hate and the greatest intended mass murderer of children in history. Anyone who says that represents Judaism must really hate Jews.
Thank you Roslyn for clarifying something for me. There is a difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. I know that. Hell, Palestinians are Semites! I'm certainly not an antisemite but I am an antizionist.
I was reading another Substack writer and had difficulty trying to figure out if he's a Nazi. You helped me do so.
It is interesting to read the history of Zionism. The Zionists were atheists but needed Jewish money, a story and numbers. They despised European Jews for allowing the Germans to triumph over them. They also killed Jews who opposed Zionism.
A lot of Jews, particularly Orthodox opposed Zionism from the start but many did not and chose to ride what must have been at least unconsciously, the glory train of Jewish superiority. I think a lot of Jews, particularly the fake ones, atheists, really got off on the idea that they were smarter, better and superior to all other humans.
European Jews were indeed among the smartest and most cultured on this continent. Boy, have Israelis done away with that image!
Not really. That is the Zionist story. The smart people were the Germans and many Germans were Jews but the culture not the religion created the smarts. Germans are still among the smartest people on the planet and Jews are not.
Many Germans are good at what they do but that's it. They are not called "Fachidiot" for no reason. They are so narrow-minded and have tunnel vision. In fact very dumb and now especially disgusting supporting genocide of Palestinians. New German Gestapo beating and jailing peaceful anti-genocide protesters. A true western culture. German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock publicly stating that it is OK for Israel to target Palestinian civilians in a war!!!! Seems like lesson of WW2 was not good enough for Germany.
I've worked for German firms. They're nothing special.
"Germans are still among the smartest people on the planet" - you might be confusing skill/professionalism in a narrow field with overall intelligence.
Chinese are the wisest and thousands of years ago already the smartest tribe.
.... yet Germany still has plenty falling for the Nazi schtick again. Perhaps it is wrong to speak of smart/smartest people. When Jews in Europe were up against prejudice and discrimination, they had a culture of education. Now they are in Israel as the U.S. empire's protégé, some of them have become monsters.
Love this thought that anyone that says Israel’s atrocities represents Judaism hates Jews
Return the hostages. Don’t even get me started…..
10/7? Rape, murder. Jew haters will always be just that. Sorry. You’re wrong.
IF ISRAEL ENDS THE OCCUPATION AND RELEASES SIX MILLION PALESTINIAN HOSTAGES THEN THEY GET THEIR HUNDRED OR SO HOSTAGES BACK. SOUNDS FAIR.
Yes the Palestinian Resistance was on a mission to take hostages because that has been the only language Israel has ever spoken. Hence the invention of the Hannibal Directive. And since Israeli hostages are swapped for Palestinian hostages held in Israeli prisons, at this point more than 10,000, hundreds of them children, held without charge or trial and tortured AND RAPED it is understandable that the Palestinians wanted hostages.
Your 'brave' soldiers and police are guilty, as are the vast majority of Israeli civilians having served in the army, of the most horrific crimes and atrocities against the Palestinians and were legitimate targets for a Resistance militia.
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Well said! We humans behave as badly as we're allowed to, and as well as we're compelled to. Forgive the cynicism, but that's been my observation over 63 years ....
"Give any group of humans unlimited rights and special pleading and zero obligations . . ."
Which, of course, is pretty similar to Lord Acton's famous (but very underrated) observation, that all power tends to corrupt, and that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Power is to sociopaths, what catnip is to cats.
If I were to ask a sagacious feline what proportion of humans were sociopaths, what answer do you think I might receive?
I have no idea. There is some question to what extent sociopathy is inherent and to what extent it is learned.
Interesting question.
From what I’ve observed of humanity Feral (remember, I’m a cat in a woman’s body) I’d make a guess of 10-15%.
Checks out.
Love that!
It really is about time for the world's population to see Israelis for who they are and what they have become through the developed skills of being able to use money as a stepping stone to power, cultivating the weaknesses in others to gain an advantage and using any developed power to further their level of skills in developing the next step, bribery and corruption to gain influence.
Because we are all influenced by and respectful of success, Israeli successes, often due to well financed government support in new enterprises, but often with business practices that often contain little in the way of consideration for others, have been tolerated in places like the UK, where they have even risen to be respected and rewarded accordingly with the way the English do this through Knighthoods, Lordships, sickly pomp and circumstance and often, too often, political authority and influence over some hundreds of years.
This has built up into a level of respectfulness which has definitely been an error, a great deal of which needs to be reconsidered if anyone is likely to ever respect any Jew, anywhere, after they have been made to discontinue their genocide actions and to conform to the majority opinion of other countries and are most severely punished for their actions. Naturally, this does not include the USA, strapped tightly into a Jewish made and expanding environment and treated by their captors, Israel, as a pathetic host (in their own country).
How's that for a deserved punishment. But sadly, it will affect the people and not the politicians, warmongers and CIA operatives along the road ahead. They'll survive.
But even then, they will still be Jews, Israelis, Zionists and on and thereby sits the problem.
Their breed hides in many guises, under many names, right now the most descriptive being cold-blooded barbaric murderers, butchers, rapists, child killers, summarising as perhaps the most hated people in history. However, based on the total subservience of the white Western leaders, this does not YET include those naive corrupted countries who can't see the wood for the trees.. They will. Their people will make it happen......one day.
The world does not need people like Israelis occupying space on our planet.
While we are on this subject, do not be deluded into thinking that the Jews living in other countries, often your next door neighbours (if you are wealthy) dual-passported as so many are, have a loyalty to their new country.
History over time has found this not to be the case. They all have a bond with the 9 million fellow Israelis and always will have.
Ask any Jewish person you know if they support Israel, but be prepared for just another lie, dished out daily as in Tel Aviv by the truckload.
They are what they are and have always been since Israel was created on stolen land by the British, one of those Western countries in bed with Israel and all its crimes.
There are and always were Jews who were exceptions. Too many got their rocks off on the bullshit stories about Ditzrael because it pandered to their ego.
Fascism does a very neat line in narcissistic pandering. That's how it succeeds!
True, Roslyn and I have known many as well, a long time ago.
But when the chips are down, like now, the name of the game is sticking together, and that's the truth of it. There is safety in numbers. Check the sponsorship list for both the Democrats and Republicans. Billions for both.....and they are so called "Americans".
Yes, you make a good point which I had forgotten. Human nature being what it is people will return to the tribe if they think it is safer, even when it is not, but so they do not feel alone. Judaism has thousands of years belief in persecution, victimhood and superiority - unconsciously of course they are hated because they are superior. This creates a morphogenetic field which operates unconsciously in real Jews and fake atheists. There are exceptions but they are few. It is a matter of how much Judaic paranoia has been diluted by living normally as citizens.
Let us not forget what country/countries is/are giving unconditional support to Israel, and realize that means all the bombs, delivery systems, and other forms of weaponry it wants. The people and corporations creating and profitting from this weaponry also use the war in the Middle East to test its weapons systems which they then get to sell to whomever can pay for it as 'battle tested'. Without this weaponry, Israel's war would very quickly be over.
Yes, Yvonne. Let us not forget. The USA, totally responsible, Germany, France, Canada, Australia, New Zealand,. All the white Westerners, Christians at large.
Most through subservience and the acceptance by weak governments like Australia due to the total US dominance of their foreign policies.
But Germany?
There's the enigma. Why? And the extent to which Scholtz is taking this matter, reflected in his oft-quoted speeches. It barey beggars belief. I ask again...why?
One can understand Australia with both weak leaders of like mind, facing an election in six months but in thinking that their stated grovel-to-the-US-and Israel policies are appealing to the majority of voters is totally naive. Both are weak, both towing the US line and still under the illusion that Israel as a stolen state has some value. Not to the voters, it doesn't. Not for a split second.
If it vanished tomorrow, the world would be a better place. So say almost all of us.
The totally Israeli-controlled USA being the exception with an estimated 85% of 330 million people not knowing and seemingly not caring what their policies are from one day to the next, how many Arabic people are now dead through US support.
Genocide? What's that? A new Television program. What network is it on?
However, certainly not anyone who is into justice and humanitarian values, peaceful coexistence and respect.. A dying breed in both USA parties.
WELL SAID IN GENERAL BUT THERE ARE JEWISH EXCEPTIONS AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. WE CANNOT CONDEMN ALL TOR THEIR WORST
You have no idea bc you apparently have already decided that ALL ISRAELIS ARE ONE TYPE. THEYRE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN BOMBED REPEATEDLY. DONT CARE WHAT U THINK. ARE ALL AMERICANS LIKE DONAL CRIMINAL TRUMP? No.
Stf up
I had a similar encounter with Israelis here and this was after the Foreign Minister had told all Israeli's on holiday to be polite! They were obnoxious to the waiter in the restaurant/complained endlessly.
Jenny, I read a story about a Vietnamese restaurant owner who refused to serve IsraHelli tourists, though I believe it was more out of solidarity with Palestine.
High -fives to him!
Yes probably was.
Israel is Nazi Germany at its worst but with better PR and instead of mistreating and killing Jews they are killing and mistreating Palestinians. The difference is that in the 1930/40 period the Jews hadn't invented a media service to expose their ill treatment and to protect them . Now hey have one that hides their mindless violence and vigorously protects them with loud cries of anti semitism if these are exposed.
Jews are a religion. They are killing Christians and Muslims to compare apples with apples. Palestinians are a people. Jews are not.
Julian McFarland wrote a poem dedicated to Yahya Sinwar. It began, "Jesus was a Palestinian before He was a Jew...".
Jesus was a human before he was a Jew
Anything else doesn't really matter
As a person he was one of very few
Who stood his ground and didn't scatter
Its realy past time we stopped talking of Jews against others
And start with the fact that all are sisters and brothers
As wth Jesus so with brave and devout Sinwar
Who would be bette named Innocent Peace.
To think that if someone is Jewish he or he will not be able to preach love and peace is getting near to being genuinely anti semitic
If he existed he was definitely Palestinian. Being a Jew not so sure given his teachings.
How was he not a Jew? He was certainly not a Christian - he would have been confused if you could go back in time and talk to him in Aramaic about Christianity.
Many different peoples lived in ancient Palestine and most of them were not Jews. There is no record of Jesus in his times from the Herodians, Romans or contemporary historians. The first mention by historians was more than half a century or more after his death, by which time everyone who was alive when he supposedly lived, was dead. Christianity was invented by Saul/Paul century and more later.
I TOTALLY agree
No indeed, pretty much all ancient people were "pagans". Judaism was however the first of the monotheist faiths, and it is entirely conceivable to me that some of those who converted to Judaism had descendants who converted to Christianity and then to Islam.
The same people who were there all along. Yes, Jesus' existence is disputed (some say that the Biblical John the Baptist was the real figure, for example).
Well, actually Jews are people. Just as Moslems and Christians are. The ruling class of the Jews are some of the most powerful people in the world but the are rarely if ever the ones who get shoved into the gas chambers. Last time they were getting shoved into gas chambers the real bad ones had moved their wealth to UK and US etc and the poorer less guilty (if at all) Jews were the ones to suffer. Not anything like 6 million of course but a lot. , and even one is too many
No religion makes a people in the sense of a group united by language, history, culture. And no, such unity from the religion does not make a people it makes a religion. Otherwise agree with your statements.
I appreciate you. Despicable people just categorize Jews or Blacks or Chinese or any group as one
I’m sick Netanyahu wasn’t prepared for 10/7. I’m sick that 1200 people were killed or raped and or kidnapped. You are you and you are your own person.
Stop it. Hate has invaded your soul.
Put the crack pipe down, Joyce, and turn off MSNBC.
Ok gf. Whatever
'Less guilty'? Guilty of what exactly? Oh, that's right, guilty of the protocols of the elders of Zion. Thanks for clearing that up.
Hon. I stopped watching MSNBC weeks ago. No crsck pipe. Does that help? Don’t know and m curious.
"The Democratic Party really does look ready to lose yet another easily winnable election by running yet another awful, murderous candidate with awful, murderous policies, and then once again blame their loss on everyone in America who is a better person than they are."
It's really astonishing sometimes, the utter vacuity and soullessness of our American Rulers. And how docile the American people have become to their subjugation by buffoons all to willing to lead us into World War III.
Many US Americans are either oblivious, ignorant or don't care. The comforts of theft paralyze some. The mall has a sale. The NFL beckens. Many people often believe words rather than actions.
Fear is another factor along with feeling powerless. US people fear the homelessness, hunger and job losses.
Rising up against these monsters takes unity, energy and stamina. As a citizenry, we have allowed technology, weapons, drones and mass surveillance to supercede our collective power. I'm older and I've seen it coming for over 50 years.
Very tragic. 😥
People I know in the US (friends and family) cannot think of anything worse than Trump as President- they are so scared of that, they are happy to vote for Genocide Joe and ‘Most Lethal Weapons/army Harris’ continuing genocide of the Palestinians preferable to a Trump presidency 🙄
Many pundits argue the Democrats are the worse evil, since they are able to get away with more once in power than the Republicans.
It doesn't really matter much which party takes power - the American people remain screwed either way.
I certainly feel a sense of powerlessness in my life right now. It is true, there are forces in life that really are beyond one's control. Getting older for example ... Or a nuclear war - perhaps another.
It appears Trump is willing to sell out Gaza and Wrst Bank land to Israeli occupation. Also he just stated that Israel should attack their nuke plant. Fortunately Putin has warned Israel to not even think about it. I am hoping that Trump is just trolling for dollars making these statements.
And I am hoping we don't have to find out.
Stein... Stein.... Stein.....
Yes! If all the disaffected with D/R voted for Jill Stein, it wound create momentum (that 5%) to move beyond the corrupted two-party system. Of course, that should have happened years ago, but perhaps the growing numbers of frustrated people means the time is ripe to build a viable "None of the Above" party BETWEEN election years.
Hi Lisa
Know what? If this genocide were occurring under Trump, the Dems would be screaming their heads off.
It all about party loyalty.
If the Dems lose to Trump, part of me hopes they'll run an FDR Democrat in 2028. But they won't. They're going to run a Cheney-endorsed Bush Neocon in 2028. We're cooked.
2028...? If humanity makes it that far I'd be surprised.... but then I'm surprised humans made it this far.... How much patience does Lady Luck have?
In a corrupt organization (the Democratic Party), they cannot bring anyone in who is less corrupt, or more intelligent than they are. Thus, every political cycle (2-4 years) the party becomes more corrupt and more stupid.
The Republicans sold out to the corporations about 15 years ahead of the Dems, so their clown show is more obvious, but the Dems have reached it now.
The dems certainly are brazenly showing their true colours for all to see…
The western world has always been like this. I just found out the story of Oney Judge, one of George and Martha Washington's house slaves. She ran away from them in Philadelphia and made it to New Hampshire, though they searched for her to bring her back. Freed, she married and had a family. The Washingtons actually wrote to her and asked her to come back to them. Think about the mindset it takes to think that a slave that ran away would consider returning if you ask. She did not return. This is in a book "Beneath the Mountain: an Anti-Prison Reader".
https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/letter-jourdon-anderson-freedman-writes-his-former-master
Apparently in at least once instance, the escaped slave actually wrote back.
I ran across a quite a few young Israelis during my backpacking years around Asia in the 80s and 90s and can mostly support what Caitlin says about them. In particular many of them had phone phreaking skills and as a result most cheap tourist places had removed their phones after receiving huge bills listing calls to Israel. A Chinese friend of mine who ran a Singapore crash pad had reluctantly implemented a policy of turning away Israeli customers after multiple instances of arrogance and racism towards Chinese and Malay staff.
But I *did* meet a few humane Israelis who treated their non-European hosts well and were appalled by the behaviour of their countrymen and women (BTW, I was also appalled by the racism and drunken yobbism of many of my fellow Australian tourists in Asia and avoided places they congregated).
On a long Indian train trip I met an Israeli who had just finished his stint as a Merkava gunner and was deeply respectful of Indians and their culture. He was also horrified with the attitude of his former IDF colleagues towards Palestinians and was the first to open my eyes about the abuses the latter suffered under the illegal occupation. We became friends and traveled together for some time and it seemed his well of horror stories about the IDF was bottomless.
What sort of idiot comment was that?
I was merely pointing out that you can't apply universal generalisations to people based on nationality any more than you can based on race, religion, gender or sexuality. OTOH you can make more valid generalisations regarding politics and ideology.
Substitute 'German' for 'nazi' in your comment and you might learn something.
Universal? Occi just gave an example of what i assume is a reformed IDF soldier.
I'm sorry, where does Occi do that?
Seems to me he doesn't believe any Israelis (or Jews in general) are capable of 'reform'.
I gave an example of a former IDF soldier who reformed *me* (at least in regards to my naivete about the Occupation and the extent of IDF abuses of Palestinians) but I don't think he reformed. I don't think he ever bought into the Zionist agenda or settler-colonial racism against Palestinians. I wonder how many others would have the strength of character to be like that after being born and raised as an Israeli Jew.
I seek freedom for all beings, an end to all bigotry and tribalism and the abolition of nation states.
The fact Caitlin and I were both writing about Israelis and you chose to make it about Jews says something about you.
Oh dear. I've also been an acquaintance of Antony Loewenstein since his days as a Fairfax cadet and an admirer of both his and Jonathon Cook's journalism about Israel. Both are Jewish, so I guess that means they're potential war criminals, mass rapists and pedophiles and I'm one of their enablers.
Presumably my long term friendships with two Palestinian Australian activists also means I dehumanise Israelis and am an apologist for every abuse ever committed by any Palestinian anywhere at any time.
I guess treating people as human beings rather than instances of a type makes me a hater.
Both perhaps?
Maybe after ending this genocide, Zionists and other Jewish people could change their minds? It is possible as a long-term possibility. Changing minds can be difficult, or it can happen suddenly? With regard to Israeli hate, it appears to be difficult. All of this is wrong.
On this point I'd agree. Israel/US and other NATO countries arevclearly wrong.
i see your point. i don't see how it will lead to palestinian liberation. people, even palestinians, will not agree to the extermination of the jews to make up for what has been done to palestinians.
because i'm a westerner and conditioned as such. i am also pretty paranoid regarding neo-nazi's and zionist hasbarists who both promote the idea. but, again, i understand your point: some westerners often seem to object to certain generalisations and feel compelled to counter them. i'd suggest that you also mention polls (supporting israel's actions) among christians, americans, russians and europeans, and muslims in saudi arabia, jordan, egypt and maybe distinguish between ordinary people and 'leaders', elites.
i see those jews that oppose the genocide as above criticism. i see others (aaron bushnell) opposing the genocide as above criticism. i see opposition to dehumanization as above criticism. those who think hating max blumenthal is more important than despising matthew miller or donald trump should be criticized imo.
all ordinary people are different from their elites, otherwise they wouldn't be elites. genocidal israeli's are bad, their elites are worse. jews, christians, muslims, hindus, russians, chinese, guatemalans, ... who don't care about buying israeli stuff are bad, those still trading with israel are worse. those still trading weapons are the worst.
i think israelis oppressed the palestinians for 3 generations with the total support of the western empire.
Idea 💡why dont we play like the zionazis. we all convert ,become settlers , take over & give Palestine back.
That.
Is a very good idea. :)
✌️
I used to wonder why the Palestinians didn’t all just convert. Then I learned that the rules in Israel about converting are very strict. Not just any rabbi can do conversions that Israel would accept.
I like your idea of the rest of us doing that instead, and freeing the Palestinians by overturning the racist laws, and actually allowing them the right of return.
We really do need every one of us to be thinking creatively about this, and coming up with novel approaches. You never know what might turn out to be an invaluable step on the road to resolution.
First step.
Most important step:
Cut off Israel cash flow.
And all military support.
Very close second:
Restore all humanitarian aid.
To all the Palestinians.
Immediately. IMHO. :)
You can donate to WFP & UNWRA and other relief organisations on the ground.
That's right! Non Jews will never ever be good enough for the inner sanctum of pure Jewishness. That right there makes me hate em for being exclusive when it's widely known good creates all humans equal. We start with a body a mind and a conscience that knows right from wrong. After that, we fuck things up beyond all recognition to get situation normal all fucked up. Most people aren't very good inside or else genocide would be only an authors suspicion of mans depravity.
I’m in, fool the fools. I’ll even challenge myself to not taking showers washing clothes and looking like a troglodyte for the Palestinians’ sake.
Been there.
Done that.
This whole genocide thing is very disturbing.
:|
I thought the same about Mexico and Reconquista and America's reservations after the genocide.
"Whenever I say this I get westerners going “Oh yeah well I’d much rather live here then over there” or “Oh well if it’s so bad here then why don’t you go live over there?”, but the fact that they immediately start babbling about where they’d prefer to live is just a symptom of how sick and twisted this civilization is."
I am sure that, all things considered, it was more pleasant to live in Berlin in 1942 than be an untermensch in Occupied Poland or wherever.
It's the difference between living inside the walls of the castle and living in the towns the knights plunder.
Nicely put.
For these morons who don’t understand that 6 million Jews were snuffed out …… 6 million…… we aren’t falling for hateful judgments and would prefer to ignore your stupidity.
Do you grow up with a parent or parents that were starved or tortured bc they were Hitlers scapegoats? Trust me. THE TRAUMA YOU IGNORE IS BEYOND MY COMPREHENSION.
NETANYAHU, TRUMPS BUDDY IS AINHUMANE BUT AFTER 1200 peaceful music lovers were so violently and viciously attacked……
Where r the hostages? When Palestine received BILLIONS OF $$$
Did they build schools or neighborhoods? No. That built underground tunnels so Hamas and Hezbollah could attack Israel and then hide.
Not going back to again being shit on by Jew haters.
Return the hostages is the first ask.
Palestine is also victim to these Hamas and HEZBOLLAH TERROISTS.
BUT THEY JUST WANT THE WORLD TO FORGET ABOUT THEIR DESPICABLE MURDEROUS BEHAVIOR.
RETURN THE HOSTAGES. BUT THOSE TERROISTS CANT. OR WONT.
KIDNAPPING INNOCENT CHILDREN ? Apparently that’s fine by you. Because they’re Israeli and Jewish.
Get outta here.
Fuck that fucking lie, even the Jews say that only 136, 528 Jews died during WW2, most of those probably died by serving in Hitler's armies. Any, your species seems to love blood lust. So, enjoy yourselves and all your lies.
Nobody is engaging in Holocaust denial. Quit arguing with strawmen.
I suppose that if I am an assault victim, that gives me and my offspring and their offspring the right to assault you. Thanks for clearing that up.
Wait. Assault victim??? That equates to GAS CHAMBERS DUMMY?
What are you trying to say? I suppose thatnif my grandfather were gassed, that gives me as his descendant the right to gas you?
Wtf. No. Christ.
Well, that is your logic.
Fucking come near anyone I love and I swear I will make u wish u we’re dead b4 you die. Ok jackass
Since you cannot provide a logical comeback, you throw out idle threats. A real Internet Warrior.
I suppose you think I was an antisemite when I lived in Ukraine and got into physical confrontations with actual live self-proclaimed nazi skinheads?
Not a threat. Got it.
Sorry. I just don’t understand how we expect anyone, to not fight back with the history of the last 75 years or so. 6 million and that’s just Jews.
And 10/7 ? Sorry. If you were being attacked repeatedly and didn’t fight back with every ounce of courage, I’d defend you.
Sounds like you fell off the turnip truck on Oct. 7, dummy. This shit began in NINETEEN FORTY EIGHT.
Don’t even. You don’t know history. You are imagining history. But facts are facts.
As if history began on October 7th. You sound like you'd blame the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto for fighting back (the Nazis used your exact rhetoric about the Ghetto that you parrot) or Nat Turner for killing the slaveholders who fed him, housed him and gave him a job.
Ok. Feral. Whatever
Brilliant comeback. You ignore facts that you do not like
For over 60 years I've known I'm living in the belly of the beast, and I really love the comebacks Caitlin has for all those asshole comments that have been made to me over the many, many, many years of verbal abuse dished out by the ignorant pawns of empire. Thank you Caitlin!
Same, they are so good.
I can't remember when I first realized Israel was all wrong. About 50 years ago, I was having a discussion with 2 men who considered themselves in the know about wars etc. I said "well, maybe Israel was a great idea, the only problem is that the country they chose already had people living there". I was told to go back to grade one. I only ever met one Israeli that I remember. He was in my journalism class and he hated what the Israelis were doing to the Palestinians. I don't know where he went after that. I live in a Jewish neighbourhood now and I have had one encounter in the produce store when I didn't buy Israeli produce. A woman asked me if I didn't like Israel. I paused and then said I didn't like what Netanyahu is doing. She declared that I must love Hamas then. Well, at least the store owner does not get produce from Israel any more.
The problem was not that people lived in Palestine but that the Jews decided they were subhuman and had to be exterminated.
Zionism was the problem that time. They were taught that they were the "chosen ones" and that Palestine was theirs. It is always a problem when one group of people decide that it is a good idea for them to take over someone else's land. It was a big problem in America too, where the indigenous people were referred to as "savages" and that genocide happened.
There were genocidal moments in the colonising of the US but it was not the policy or intention from the start. The British were colonised violently a dozen times as were most Europeans. Indeed, as have been most humans.
In the past half century some truths have come to light about the past and more fabrications have been created. Retrofitting modern values to the past is never wise.
who said "the only good Indian is a dead Indian?"
telling the truth about the past is not retrofitting anything.
probably a lot of people. just as the Romans said, only good Briton is a DEAD BRITON.
condemning those in the past without context is retrofitting. Your quote is unproven and without context
you're giving the israelis hope.
people committing genocide use the same language, yes, and then apologists for these various genocides justify it, the way you absolve genocide by western countries. the context is the Americans were committting genocide against the native inhabitants that interfered with colonisation, as the Israelis are committing genocide against the Palestinians, again because they are a hindrance to colonisation. for some reason you seem to support genocide unless committed by Israelis against Palestinians.
As you very well know, the argument is whether the American committed genocide, you lie about that repeatedly, lately by claiming it is "retrofitting values". it's all bullshit. I"m not going to waste any more time on you.
I think you have it backwards -- They want lebensraum, but can't justify it if the "natives" are human (equals), so they must be made into vermin.
More complex than that but in essence, yes.
Not true. You don’t know your history.
I CITE HISTORICAL FACTS
Thank you, Caitlin. My former fiance, who was Jewish, despised Israelis. He thought they were crude bastards. So did his parents, who actually lost relatives in the Nazi holocaust.
Forget it. History just confounds you.
Myself and the person I was travelling with in the late 1980s which included a visit to "Israel" (primarily only in order to get to Egypt more cheaply) don't remember particularly liking any "Israelis", and NOT liking a large number of them. We also were told horror stories from other backpackers, like a Dutch girl being beaten up by her "Israeli" boyfriend, and another pair who had to steal their passport back and escape from a Kibbutz after being threatened by the "Israeli" running the place. A country of racist murderous nut jobs. And we both thought the entire "country" was a big sh1thole populated by psychos.
"They consistently treated the people who were looking after us like they were much lesser than us. Their pushiness and entitlement were just unbelievable." I've seen the same in NY City.
You probably saw Zionist Jews doing it in New York City. Very large population of them there, along with the synagogues that sell the land of the Palestinians they just killed.
Because humans are not perfect. Neither are you or any else. No matter what country you’re in.
Right; because I was talking about "perfection."
yep & very few have the balls to call it out so ❤️🙏Bless you sister we have got to stand against this fucked up Amoral satanic death cult we call home & the Zionist leadershit & its american lackys. We have been getting the "antisemitic okeydoke for generations" Do i know good Jews? yes plenty i think? but I guess the shit in the fan we will see where people get in line? its NOT COMPLICATED. GENOCIDE are you FOR OR AGAINST . FULL motherfucking stop
" It’s not until you’ve done a fair bit of research that you go, wait, okay no, we are actually quantifiably far more destructive than any other power structure on earth, by an extremely massive margin."
I don't know why this is so hard a concept for some Westerners to understand. If you live in a country that has nuclear weapons and uses them to threaten the rest of the planet into cooperating with them, causing others to cave in every chance they get, then that's an indication you're not living in a "good guy" country. It's like that viral video says, "Are we the baddies?" Yeah, Uncle Sam fetishers, we are the baddies. Start working on getting us well.
I think most, if not all, of us are born the protagonists of our own lives, and into a narrative that shapes how we see the world. For many, that narrative and perspective, apparently, never changes. That suggests breaking out of the narrative is very difficult, and extremely unpleasant. That might account for at least some of why it’s so hard.