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Selina Sweet's avatar

Actually, we do have fine leaders - Nader, Hedges, Wolff, Sachs, Freeman, Ray McGovern, Mearsheimer and others who are teaching us with their knowledge and passion for truth and wisdom. They’re so valuable so helpful.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Agree with all those names, but sincerely doubt that those disaffected voters in Michigan have been much exposed to these folks as leaders -- certainly not in the garbage media most probably attend to . Hell, if Americans understood and absorbed half of what just Jeffrey Sachs had to say, we'd all learn about diplomacy, lay down our swords and shields down by the riverside and not be such war lovers.

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Edijal Lowley's avatar

Americans are such war lovers because war hasn’t happened to them in the real sense for a very, very long time.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

A quite pertinent observation. It's all Hollywwod dream stuff.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Edijal

I’ve been maintaining for a very long time that Amerikkka NEEDS a war on our own soil in order to change the warmongering inclinations of the Amerikkkan people. We can start with DC.

What I truly don’t get is how nations who experienced WWII, such as England and France, continue to happily contribute to worldwide destruction.

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xXPrince_OzzieXx's avatar

your insane please seek help

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xXPrince_OzzieXx's avatar

your insane please seek help

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xXPrince_OzzieXx's avatar

your insane please seek help

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Vin

Resident of the Mitten here. I’ll bet my life that Jill Stein receives more votes from my state than any other, for what it’s worth.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Hey Gypsy,

In my desired scenario, the mitten becomes a third finger to Kamala, Biden and the genocide democraps, so that she loses the state and consequently the election. And hell no, Trump's no better, dearie, he's a lunatic businessman / property a-hole who despoiled a lot of lives in Atlantic City [for example]. But I think the effing war hypocrisy of the past year needs to be punished as the prime directive. So fling that bird, Michigan!

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Longtrail's avatar

If only they were in charge. I'm never voting R or D henceforth. Our election system is rigged and voting only validates it. We can't vote our way out of this. We live in an illusion of democracy and are breathing the embers of our dying Republic.

I'm voting for the only candidate who isn't insane or owned by AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱. I'm voting for Jill Stein! I was thinking of writing in one of your suggestions but Jill is running.

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Susan Garrity Benton's avatar

Longtrail, democracy is-

a. : government by the people. especially : rule of the majority.

b. : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

(merrium-webster. com)

A republic is a country where power is held by the people or the representatives that they elect. Republics have presidents who are elected. Not dictators. (collins dictionary. com)

According to the definitions of “democracy” and

“republic,” America is a democratic republic.

America is therefore a democratic republic.

A majority of voters is not a mob.

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An oligarchy is a small group of people having control of a country, organization, or institution.

A plutocracy is a country or society governed by

the wealthy. I’m pretty sure Trump and republicans are trying to make America a plutocracy for their own benefit, not AIPAC’s.

In America the majority rules and the government belongs to us, the people. Americans opposed to Trump are trying to keep it that way.

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Longtrail's avatar

Whatever. Have a nice day.

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Susan Garrity Benton's avatar

Longtrail, A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump,

but I think you know that. Your comment reeks of

fascist rhetoric that all is lost and no one should bother to vote. That’s a dead givaway that you’ve got an agenda to take down democracy.

Most Americans know better than to be influenced by the likes of you.

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Longtrail's avatar

You're totally wrong. There's nothing you can do to change the system and take back the government from the Plutarchs and Oligarchs. You don't get it. We live in an ILLUSION of democracy created by Plutocratic and Military Institutions. AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱 owns FDT, FKH and Fkn Congress

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Susan Garrity Benton's avatar

Oh I get it. But there ARE things we can do to change the system. Getting rid of democracy is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Money has corrupted the system. More specifically, republicans

have used money to corrupt it and exploit voters.

We shouldn’t have to buy the government we want every two years. Voters can’t match corporate donations every two years endlessly. It’s a corrupt process that exploits voters.

If people would stop voting for republicans long enough to pass legislation that takes private money out of the election process and allow only the use of

public money for campaigns, it would solve a lot of our problems.

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Longtrail's avatar

I'm not throwing democracy out with the bathwater. I want to return to true democracy which is government of the people, by the people for the people. If only the constitution is followed instead of circumvented we'd be on the right track.

Currently the election system is rigged by the PAC's of both the D and R Parties. In every state where Open Primaries are on the ballot those parties do their damnedest to kill it. They control the system on behalf of

AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱 who owns them. They are the Deep State and the Plutarchs who serve our oligarch rulers.

Democracy is mob rule. This is why the constitution defines our nation as a Republic. An example of democracy is a sheep and two wolves voting on what to have for dinner. The same example applied to a republic is the sheep has a gun. In other words, in a republic the minority still has a voice.

Capish?

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gypsy33's avatar

Susan, GTFOH. A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for JILL STEIN.

Go ahead and be a sheep for the duopoly if you wish, but don’t expect the more intelligent of us to follow your sorry-ass example.

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Susan Garrity Benton's avatar

Bullying me isn’t going to stop me from writing what I think. That’s why we’re here. If you don’t have anything rational to add to the discussion, you can, and I say this with respect—get lost.

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Gavin Farrell's avatar

They're not leaders if they're not influencing power. They're just sideline intellectual pundits.

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Selina Sweet's avatar

What a narrow vision you have of power. Conventional. Using it would put all the major writers, inventors, philosophers, journalists, psychologists/psychiatrists, etc as mere “sideline intellectual pundits”. Including People like Daniel Ellsberg. Toni Morrison. Hmmm. Jesus?

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Robert H Stiver's avatar

Selina, I just can't get to the "wide vision" (as opposed to "narrow vision") you espouse. I just can't get beyond my consternation and frustration that the "fine leaders" Nader ... Mearsheimer can't get together and stand as a principled group FOR DAYS OR WEEKS on the steps of the Capitol, FORCING the bought-and-paid congresscritters and the execrable media to take note and to finally turn the tide. If that sort of concerted solidarity is not put into play, then Nader ... Mearsheimer amount to little more than the above-noted "sideline intellectual pundits." Don't you, Selina, ignore that these are different days from those of Jesus...whereby today the Internet, IT, AI et al can AND MUST BE LEVERAGED to "out and oust" those malefactors who, for the "Benjamins, Baby," want to keep the People in the dark and out of power?

Note: I'm not attacking you personally, but it seems to me that what I've written needs to be written, and re-written, and made known far and wide. Second Note: I did write, now months ago, to my decades-long hero Ralph Nader via his Internet connection and make my point to him...no response....

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JennyStokes's avatar

Why should these people 'gang together' they know more than you and me.

Several have said that if Trump gets in they are likely going to be in camps!

I am not a democratic supporter at all.

IF you want to get "Zionist" money out of the USA you are going to have to fight for it yourselves..

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Robert H Stiver's avatar

Am I naive? Doesn't the old adage "There is strength in numbers" apply at all here? We need NUMBERS of well-known public figures in front of the US Capitol Building, don't we?

Jenny, your "Why should these people 'gang together' they know more than you and me." statement doesn't make much sense to me....

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JennyStokes's avatar

....because they will be rounded up and put in camps!

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JennyStokes's avatar

IF you look at comments: They are MOST certainly influencing voters.

SO what do we Gavin Farrell?

Not listen to truth tellers?

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JennyStokes's avatar

As I said above: They would be assassinated.

What the US does not seem to understand, is that you have allowed money to rule. Try getting shot of AIPAC!

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