441 Comments
User's avatar
⭠ Return to thread
Roslyn Ross's avatar

There were genocidal moments in the colonising of the US but it was not the policy or intention from the start. The British were colonised violently a dozen times as were most Europeans. Indeed, as have been most humans.

In the past half century some truths have come to light about the past and more fabrications have been created. Retrofitting modern values to the past is never wise.

Expand full comment
pretzelattack's avatar

who said "the only good Indian is a dead Indian?"

telling the truth about the past is not retrofitting anything.

Expand full comment
Roslyn Ross's avatar

probably a lot of people. just as the Romans said, only good Briton is a DEAD BRITON.

condemning those in the past without context is retrofitting. Your quote is unproven and without context

Expand full comment
martin's avatar

you're giving the israelis hope.

Expand full comment
Roslyn Ross's avatar

Everyone should have hope and dismantling ZIORAEL is hope for the ZIOZOMBIES

Expand full comment
pretzelattack's avatar

people committing genocide use the same language, yes, and then apologists for these various genocides justify it, the way you absolve genocide by western countries. the context is the Americans were committting genocide against the native inhabitants that interfered with colonisation, as the Israelis are committing genocide against the Palestinians, again because they are a hindrance to colonisation. for some reason you seem to support genocide unless committed by Israelis against Palestinians.

As you very well know, the argument is whether the American committed genocide, you lie about that repeatedly, lately by claiming it is "retrofitting values". it's all bullshit. I"m not going to waste any more time on you.

Expand full comment
Roslyn Ross's avatar

I Made a SIMPLE POINT.

Zionism and Israel were founded on a policy of genocide.

The US was not. Neither were canada, australia or new zealand

That is not to say other nations founded through colonisation did not have instances of genocide but unlike Israel it was not policy or demanded.

And comparing the 20th and 21st centuries to the 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th does not cut it. Shit why don’t we condemn the Italians for Carthage in 146BC IF WE ARE GOING TO DUMP THEM ALL IN THER SAME POT.

Expand full comment
pretzelattack's avatar

you made a simpleton point. next you will argue we can't judge the nazis because this is not 1945, or the Nakba because it so long ago in 1948. you seem to apologise for every genocide other than the ones carried out by Israel, which the US is backing, as it has in past genocides in Iraq (2003 was so long ago!) Vietnam, Guatemala, etc etc etc.

Expand full comment
Roslyn Ross's avatar

I said nothing of the kind. I said context is necessary. Yes we can judge previous acts and centuries with an understanding of the times and the environment. that applies ISRAEL also in terms of its ziojudeo culture.

WHAT YOU CANNOT DO IS A GENERAL COMPARISON BETWEEN CENTURIES WITHOUT CONTEXT.

culture and context provide perspective and understanding or why bother

Expand full comment