I think there is as much reason to believe this was a false flag as there is to believe it was not.
This is Israel’s Modus Operandi.
And we always must ask: Cui Bono? Who benefits?
And I think we all know the answer to that. Especially at this particular time.
Pay attention to the interview of the « witnesses » talking to media. I watched a couple. Their wording, the content, and their calmness seemed out of place. Yes, all people react differently…but two people in a couple reacting calmly the exact same way to having just witnessed a double homicide?
Worth taking a look with a keen eye and ear.
I will trust only the independent journalists who are capable of verifying the truth. It may take them some months. But I won’t believe a word out of our western media, our politicians, and ofcourse Israel. They have only earned the right to not be trusted ever.
I agree it is fishy, why choose a photogenic young couple for this -“he had just bought her engagement ring”. The Hallmark mini series is writing itself. There is no evidence, but it is fishy.
That's what actually sells it to me as a false flag event. It's a bit too "perfect" with the handsome couple just engaged and so easily picked off as victims of possible stochastic terrorism... The Israelis have proven through their Hannibal Directive that they're more than willing to kill their young people in order to keep the narrative going their way. I bet tomorrow all those EU leaders who were starting to say the "g-word" will stop and start selling arms to Israel all over again.
A false flag was my first thought on hearing about the shooting. The timing was too perfect. Just when even mainstream news was starting to use the word "genocide" for the first time, along comes an attack on employees of the Israeli embassy and the screams of "antisemitism!" all over again.
My first thought too. If this wasn't a set up to divert attention away from the starving babies in Gaza, then it was a great spin on a spontaneous act. Mr. Rodriguez could have been a victim of "stochastic terrorism" you could say, driven to do something to stop the genocide and conveniently steered in the right direction to pick easy targets coming out of a well-publicized party.
Anyone remember the early protests in New York when the media went crazy about men in keffiehs yelling anti semetic threats at pro Israeli protesters? They were later found to be Zionists desguised as Palestinian supporters.
Zionists are really bad liars.
I really think the independent journalists will get to the bottom of it, as the did the « 40 beheaded babies » and all that zio propaganda which was used to justify a genocide.
I lost sympathy for those sleazy manipulators decades ago: An unending whinefest about victimization and antisemitism and the "holocaust" (I now have grave doubts about that story) while they slander, financially destroy and murder anyone they damn please.
Nope - NO FALSE FLAG! This is ordinary, normal, humans doing ordinary, normal things (like assassinating Genocidal killers and murderers of babies, children, women, and more). This is a BRAVE INDIVIDUAL sacrificing his life for PALESTINE! He definitely has my respect!
There are going to be many more such events happening in many Western nations all over the world. This is BLOWBACK! It was inevitable. It was only a matter of time...
The world is NOT the same anymore...Genocidal Israel, Zionists, and their supporters have changed the world forever...may they reap what they sow!
Let us remember what Israel did to Jeffery Epstein after his many years in their employ. Yeah, on its face it seems ridiculous... until... you can't come up with a better reason.
Let us recall what happened to Jack Ruby (Rubinstein a semi-high level member of Lansky's National Crime Syndicate).
It isn't like there are just two-sides to this story. There are dozens of organizations which might have set up a "false-flag".
"False Flag" only means that the real actors were someone other than the accused.
Who recalls Lee Harvey Oswald? Kennedy was hit from multiple directions.
Nope - too many conspiracy theorists on Caitlin's substack (and on Substack in general). This is BLOWBACK - plain and simple - just as 9/11 was blowback and Oct 7 was blowback.
There ya go again, ignoring the evidence that is so clear a child could see it.
9/11 was, in no way, "blow back". It was an Israeli* inspired false flag. Even the MSM was full of stories of how easy it was for the perpetrators to slip through US security..
If that were the only instance, perhaps I'd give you the benefit of the doubt.
But then there are the Tsarnaev brothers of the Boston Marathon bombing.
And how do you know that? Think they don't have to resources to make just about every publicly violent act done by their own hand? Israel cannot be trusted. On Oct 7, with Israels huge surveillance arsenal, they would have known there was going to be an insurgence. They are liars and looters and murderers. I'm talking about the regime not the people. But many of their people love all the killing too.
"Not everything is a SCAD or false flag"? True, but Tom? So many things are. So what "he" wrote a manifesto. Those things are easy enough for forge. So what he shouted "Free Palestine". Have you read or watched "The Manchurian Candidate"? In the past 10 years alone since my home was stolen from me (foolishly purchased on native land) I have experienced corruption and criminality – and manipulation – on the part of all our "leaders", that even though it happened to me? I'm still stunned with incredulity!
>>"9/11 was, in no way, "blow back". It was an Israeli* inspired false flag."
HaHa - did you not read my comment elsewhere on this article that "Substack is FULL of conspiracy theorists and unfortunately so is Caitlin's substack"?
I'm not going to argue conspiracy theories with Conspiracy Theorists - there is a psychology behind it. Conspiracy theorists NEED to believe in such theories to help them make sense of a senseless world. This NEED to believe in such theories is so strong that it becomes a part of their core - regardless of the evidence, facts, whatever.
You are welcome to waste your life chasing down conspiracy theories - they seem to help you make sense of the world and keep you sane - so go for it - stay emotionally healthy - use whatever coping mechanism works. I prefer reality (no matter how uncomfortable it may be for me). The world doesn't need to 'have to' make sense to me - I am ok with the randomness, the chaosness, and all the coincidences in the world - everything doesn't need to have a reason or an explanation - everything doesn't need to have a solution or an answer. I'm comfortable with unknowns and uncertainty.
Most conspiracy theorists are uncomfortable with randomness, lack of causality, lack of coherence, lack of patterns, and lack of definite answers and explanations that are all too common in a universe with more questions than answers.
In retrospect the silence in this morning's news could indicate that they (Israel) are now scared. False flag or not it will probably mark the beginning of a string of attacks on Israeli institutions. As ye sow so shall ye reap. I suspect that the US could be next for these attacks.
Now you have totally lost me. You use "conspiracy theorists" and "conspiracy theory" exactly how the CIA initially intended its use when the term was coined after JFK. I even suspect you now as some sort of controlled opposition after previously agreeing with many of your comments.
To summarize: No, this murder was not part of a Mossad conspiracy or false flag, but 9/11 almost assuredly was. What do you know about the Munich Olympics, BTW? Do you think "Black September" was a Palestinian operation? If so, I can recommend some reading materials.
"There is no expedient to which a man will not resort to avoid the labor of thinking."
– Joshua Reynolds
"Most people would sooner die than think. In fact, they do."
– Betrand Russell
The issue Chang, is not my belief (amply demonstrated) that the very rich and powerful are actively working to maintain their position to the rest of humanity's detriment. The issue is your automatic flat rejection – in totality – of the thesis.
"Rich and powerful people don't get together and make plans! You're a kook! You're a 'Conspiracy Buff'"
– George Carlin
Sorry Chang, but for me, especially 9/11? Anyone who uses the term "Conspiracy Theory" in any context, for me is immediately suspect. "Conspiracy Theory" was a notion created by the CIA in the wake of the Warren Commission's grotesque conclusions regarding the first Kennedy Assassination. I'm aware of Cass Sunstein's 2008 paper on "Conspiracy Theory"; I was unable to read it, it was so biased and contemptuous of the mere possibility. You might do well to read "Conspiracy Theory in America by Lance deHaven-Smith" and the more recent "180 Degrees: Unlearn the Lies You've Been Taught to Believe" by Feargus O'Connor Greenwood. The creatures running our shared shitshow treat "reality" like a game of chess, they're always planning 4-5 moves ahead. The one thing in our favor? They're not actually all that clever... 🤔🙄
I agree Chang. There is no reason to believe this wasn’t just a frustrated, angry citizen, much like Mangione. This is to be expected. It is going to increase as the oppression increases. The Zionist genocide has been taken advantage of by many governments (most notably the USA and UK) to introduce authoritarian, pre-Nazi oppressions. Just as in Europe in the 1940s, internal citizens and groups will form a resistance. Israel is certainly capable of a false flag event like this but my guess is that Mangione and Rodriguez are early examples of what is to come. As the resistance matures you’ll see more attacks on the politicians and oligarchs.
For those who worry these individual acts will give the "fascists the ammo they need to come after us", the fascists don't need "ammo". Coming after those they label as "other" and those who are like them but disagree with them is in the fascist DNA. Biden, Trump, Sunak, and Starmer didn't need events like this to introduce legislation and tactics to suppress peaceful protests. They are coming for us; we should be getting ready rather than condemning individual acts or debating conspiracy theories.
>>"Coming after those they label as "other" and those who are like them but disagree with them is in the fascist DNA. Biden, Trump, Sunak, and Starmer didn't need events like this to introduce legislation and tactics to suppress peaceful protests."
No 9/11 was not done by Muslims. Oh boy. Do you even know that Building 7 went down the same way on that day? Do you know it was reported by the BBC 20 minutes before it went down? Oh there is so much more.
False flag or not, I see this setting the pro Palestinian movement back and give Trump, Rubio & the other cabinet fascists the ammo they need to come after "us" . . . .
That's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is as an expansion of awareness of what the world has come to.
Things CANNOT go back to how they were before this Genocide. The world has FOREVER changed. Much about the future is going to be unpredictable and uncomfortable.
All I know is that the Genocidal state of Israel MUST BE DESTROYED (in one way or another), and MUST CEASE TO EXIST in its current form...
I disapprove of your use of the pejorative "conspiracy theorists" because it is a CIA coined phrase designed specifically to de-legitimize critical discussion of SCADs (state crimes against democracy).
That said, I 100% agree with you that this was not a false flag. There is too much evidence otherwise and people are not savvy enough to parse the information from the noise and bullshit.
Conspiracy theories thrive in societies in upheaval, with poor education systems, disaffected populations, and low social capital. But experts can’t simply tell people to stop believing lies. Rather, society has to put people in a better position to see the truth. This is part of what Caitlin does with her Substack articles.
And remember - conspiracy theories are NOT unique to the U.S. They are global.
The dispatch was produced in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by the New York Times in 1976.
The dispatch states:
2. This trend of opinion is a matter of concern to the U.S. government, including our organization.
The aim of this dispatch is to provide materialcountering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries. Background information is supplied in a classified section and in a number of unclassified attachments.
3. Action. We do not recommend that discussion of the [conspiracy] question be initiated where it is not already taking place. Where discussion is active addresses are requested:
a. To discuss the publicity problem with and friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors) , pointing out that the [official investigation of the relevant event] made as thorough an investigation as humanly possible, that the charges of the critics are without serious foundation, and that further speculative discussion only plays into the hands of the opposition. Point out also that parts of the conspiracy talk appear to be deliberately generated by … propagandists. Urge them to use their influence to discourage unfounded and irresponsible speculation.
b. To employ propaganda assets to and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose. The unclassified attachments to this guidance should provide useful background material for passing to assets. Our ploy should point out, as applicable, that the critics are (I) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, (II) politically interested, (III) financially interested, (IV) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or (V) infatuated with their own theories.
4. In private to media discussions not directed at any particular writer, or in attacking publications which may be yet forthcoming, the following arguments should be useful:
a. No significant new evidence has emerged which the Commission did not consider.
b. Critics usually overvalue particular items and ignore others. They tend to place more emphasis on the recollections of individual witnesses (which are less reliable and more divergent–and hence offer more hand-holds for criticism) …
c. Conspiracy on the large scale often suggested would be impossible to conceal in the United States, esp. since informants could expect to receive large royalties, etc.
d. Critics have often been enticed by a form of intellectual pride: they light on some theory and fall in love with it; they also scoff at the Commission because it did not always answer every question with a flat decision one way or the other.
f. As to charges that the Commission’s report was a rush job, it emerged three months after the deadline originally set. But to the degree that the Commission tried to speed up its reporting, this was largely due to the pressure of irresponsible speculation already appearing, in some cases coming from the same critics who, refusing to admit their errors, are now putting out new criticisms.
g. Such vague accusations as that “more than ten people have died mysteriously” can always be explained in some natural way
5. Where possible, counter speculation by encouraging reference to the Commission’s Report itself. Open-minded foreign readers should still be impressed by the care, thoroughness, objectivity and speed with which the Commission worked. Reviewers of other books might be encouraged to add to their account the idea that, checking back with the report itself, they found it far superior to the work of its critics.
Respectfully cannot agree with you. We don’t know enough.
And he could have been a pro Palestinian that was set up by Mossad…
Interesting that one of the people killed was a Christian, don’t you think?
Let’s see if they actually investigate this thoroughly.
We simply don’t know.
The best I can say is it’s 50-50 odds.
But there are a lot more Mossad operatives and operations then there are people in the world willing to do this. But there are probably a lot of desperate people in the world who could be coerced into doing such a thing: threats to family, psychological tactics, black mail, monetary reward…..Mossad do all of this.
So, I feel I’m being more then fair stating the odds at 50-50 as the probability seem much higher on the Mossad side, given notice, past behaviour.
Until now, the only Jews killed in anti-semitic attacks in America since the at in Gaza have been other Jews who were mistaken for Palestinians. Many Palestinians in the other hand have been attacked and shot by islamaphobes.
Just keep an open mind is all im saying, and wait to see what the independent journalists uncover
He could have been many things. The fact is none of us know. What you should be asking yourselves on each and every theory put forward is what if it's true? I'm not talking about one theory. I'm talking about all of them. Question them all critically. Do not be afraid to change your mind. Is this or that theory worthy or is it just a distraction. Keep your minds open especially to the fact that you could be wrong. If you think you've never been wrong you are a fool.
You don't need to agree with me. One needs to think critically. And one should keep an open mind - but not such an open mind that their brains fall out and they start believing in normal events as being false flags and conspiratorial events.
>>"Interesting that one of the people killed was a Christian, don’t you think?"
Irrelevant. This is extraneous info. This is how conspiracy theories work - EVERY insignificant detail is given paramount importance so as to 'connect all the dots' in some kind of 'grand plan', 'grand conspiracy'.
There is a very simple explanation for this. In fact, it is so simple that the simpleness of it causes people to not believe it - BLOWBACK!
People expect unusual explanations/reasons for rare events. People have a hard time accepting that even very rare events can occur for the most mundane and natural of reasons.
Hard logic to argue with. I'm out of here today. Too many people unwilling to think outside of their own little boxes. From a purely emotional state I think it could be highly likely that some people have had enough and are finally taking matters into their own hands. Peace to you Chiang. While I don't always agree with you, at least you are always rational.
A question for you. Disregarding this shooting do you believe Mossad would carry out murder of people sympathetic to Israel to further Israel’s agenda?
>>"do you believe Mossad would carry out murder of people sympathetic to Israel to further Israel’s agenda?"
Of course - 100%. Israel (and Mossad) is capable of things a thousand times worse that the 'murder of people sympathetic to Israel to further its agenda' - as evidenced by the enfolding genocide. Israel is capable of unimaginable EVIL.
Here is a book that gives some examples of what Israel/Mossad/etc. are capable of ->"Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel's Targeted Assassinations" by Ronen Berman (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33598223-rise-and-kill-first) -> details many assassinations that Israel has carried out for the U.S. Empire.
But 'being capable of something' is not a strong enough argument for people to assign the kind of probabilities they do to such events and jump to conclusions.
One difference between conspiracists and 'intellectually honest skeptics' is the quality of critical thinking skills and evidence-based reasoning - which is very difficult to find in the general public (America or otherwise).
Thank you Indu. The evilness of what Israel (and all its backers) have perpetrated not only on Gaza, the West Bank, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan AND the whole world would (maybe should?) make any normal person with normal human emotions BOIL with RAGE and DISGUST - the utter mendacity, depravity, ...I'm at a loss for words here...
This is a normal reaction by a person with normal emotions at what Israel and Zionists have wrought on the world.
Did you ever think that it takes time for the smoldering anger at injustice to burst into flame. This man has likely sacrificed his own life to a cause he believes in. Nobody comes to a conclusion like this lightly. It takes time and incredible courage.
Those were certainly my initial thoughts. Substitute “Rodriguez” for “Luigi”. A warning to IsraHell and its employees that it is THEY who have targets on their backs.
I have a feeling this won’t be the first of such incidences.
Of course, now the “special protection” for Jews will be increased tenfold. Funny how we still have Ku Klux Klan in this country, but no one is advocating special protection for Black Americans, or Hispanic, or Asian or gods forbid, Arab-Americans.
Only for the “chosen”. Will someone please hand me a barf bag?
It seems plausible, but who were the ones sacrificed? Just like the shot that grazed trump's ear. It seemed like a set-up, but who was sacrificed? I never even heard anything about him.
The whole raising his fist and the near miss really did seem pre-planned, but what about the shooter who was shot? And how on earth did they not spot the shooter beforehand? (He had one job lol)
Are the autopsy results, with photographs, available? Was he conveniently "cremated"? Took two tries for Trump's hand to be bloodied, and then he made broad his WWE bandage (phylactery).
Sorry but you're wrong. While Israel has a long history of false flags, the gunman here seemed genuine and wrote an incredibly moving, accurate and educated manifesto.
You don’t think it possible that this man was set up by mosssad…encouraged…given the information of the whereabouts of these embassy members at that location….outside of a Jewish museum and not in the embassy itself to make it look anti semitic….
Ofcourse they would pick or manipulate someone with a digital past that suits then narrative that they want.
Mossad wouldn’t hesitate to create that exact event and create the opportunity of zero security (it was young professionals…not senior people who would have security) and easy target and feed that to someone they can manipulate.
Whatever a person can think of Mossad have thought of it first and will use anything to suit their goals, zero red lines.
So we do not know enough.
I will wait for the investigative journalists, the only people right now who can be trusted.
Nope. Ken published Luigi’s manifesto and is one of the only independent journalists who will publish manifestos, as most won’t touch them. The trump admin is slowly admitting the manifesto is legit, yet they're not sharing it and they've given very few details about it. I’d think if this was a false flag, they'd want everyone to read it. Just my opinion of course.
That's your perception based on experiencing what occurred through the lens of media, law enforcement, politicians, the feds, journalists, etc. Collectively, that narrative is a clusterfuck at the moment. Depending on who you ask, they may want you to think the alleged incident was highly emotional because that fits their narrative of a “radicalized leftist lunatic.”
Writing a manifesto and taking an action described in the manifesto don’t have to match as far as emotions go (or the lack of). I realize you’re saying the alleged act was an emotional one, but based on the manifesto, it seemed like more of a necessary next step for a seemingly deeply intellectual individual who placed his beliefs and values above all else. At least that was my interpretation of it.
it's also sus that things leapfrogged from taking over some college buildings to a double-assassination of a central casting israeli couple - there's a whole universe of 'political violence' that just got waived in between those two extremes - but then again, this is the kind of stuff that makes people crazy and they just break
Did you not read Mr. Rodriguez’s statement? It’s extremely lucid, and nothing like what a false flag would have sounded like. There’s no ranting or slogans, just clear statements of facts that are completely on point. Please read it and then see if it sounds like something a hasnara would be able to write. Ken Klippenstein has posted it on his Substack.
I don’t have to agree with his actions to recognize his perspective.
The only reason I question whether this was a false flag was that the shooter's manifesto was too well-written, no cheap stereotypes or well-worn tropes about Jews.
CJ>>"You simply cannot give Israel sympathy. For anything. Ever. No matter what happens. Israel weaponizes sympathy; it uses any sympathy it’s given as a weapon to justify murdering people."
SO TRUE! Israel deserves a fate WORSE than HELL! Supporters of Israel deserve the same fate!
Fuck Genocidal Israel! Fuck the Genocidal U.S. Empire! FREE PALESTINE!!!
Israel is danger and mortal threat to us all. All normal peaceful humans. We all will become Palestinians if something is not done. Once jews exploit useful idiots (such as US/EU politicians and mass media) they will get rid of them too. Also, of millions of Christian Zionists and Hindu racists. Jews believe that they should rule the world and that all other humans are just there to serve them and be disposed of at any time desired. Israel is the ultimate monstrosity and the cancer of humanity.
I would not use the word 'Jews' here. Jews are NOT special, just like Hindus or Christians, etc. are not special. What is important to focus on are the IDEOLOGIES that make ordinary people behave like monsters. Hindutva does that to some Hindus. Nazism did that to some Christians. Zionism does that to some Jews. And atheists are susceptible to such ideologies too.
In fact, more Christian Zionists and even non-Christians and non-Jews are responsible for supporting this Genocide. Think of ALL the people and leaders and yes-men and yes-women in all the Western nations who are not Jewish but are still supporting Israel in one way or another.
Most but of course not all jews (overwhelming majority has no semitic roots) believe they are special. God chosen people. Don't believe me. Listen to what they say openly and brazenly. For most of them racism and sense of supremacy is quite normal.
One can make the same argument for Aryans (Christians, Nazi Germany) or Hindus (Hindutva). In fact, true Jews would denounce Zionism - as Zionism is against Judaism. Many Orthodox Jews also denounce Zionism.
The 'Jews' that do most of this EVIL stuff are far from religious - and I wouldn't even consider them real Jews, but Jews in name only (like America calls itself a Democracy - but is one in name only and not in reality).
Also, people in positions of power and authority tend to hijack ANY narratives lying around that they can use towards their cause. One of these FALSE narratives is that 'Jews are God's chosen people and are superior to others'. Another FALSE narrative is 'God gave the land of Palestine to Israel'.
Jews are not monolithic, just as Christians, Muslims, etc. are not monolithic. Hence, I caution people to distinguish between Jews, Judaism, and Zionism.
Some of them consider non-Jews "goyim" which means cattle. I don't know of any other nationality/religion that considers those outside of their tribe "cattle".
Reminder that Israeli zionists regularly bar actual jewish people from living in Jerusalem and the rest of Palestine, and only consider specific groups of ashkenazi jews to be "true" jews.
Don't conflate the two, because that only benefits Israel.
Yes you're right. Ashkenazi Jews are self-appointed Jews. I'm sure there are many good ones of those people too but overall all people are being manipulated by Israel (the regime - that's another distinction that has to be made)
Not to diminish whatever else you've written above, Caitlin, "The west’s support for Israel is causing a nonstop aggressive assault on our civil rights throughout the entire western world. This is personal. Israel directly threatens us all" encapsulates it all.
FREE PALESTINE! FREE PALESTINE! FREE PALESTINE! Aaron Bushnell and Mr. Rodriquez are of the same empathic, essential minds!
If I wanted to pretend to be a mind reader, I’d say that the main motivation for this operation was to show to the world how utterly duplicitous, hypocritical and racist the entire mainstream media and establishment is. That is the outcome. The establishment treats two lives as far more valuable than hundreds of thousands of lives. The world sees this double standard and is sickened by it.
Yes. How disgusting and hypocritical US/western mass media is. They call that shooting "unspeakable horror and/or terror". But dropping big bombs to destroy buildings with people inside and murdering defenseless women, children, men is "war" and "right to defend itself". As long as israel exists humanity will be on the very edge of self-destruction.
Violence against Jews after Nabka and British lies? Yeah, I hate the Jews of Israel for allowing this and more than hating them, I hate the Zionists inside our country and influencing our politics as much as I hate what they are doing to a truly beautiful people with true semantic blood in their DNA. Israel is the ultimate anti-seminites seen in the entire world. They don't have the DNA to claim otherwise. Palestinians do.
I think the vast majority of Israelis are zionists, if the support for genocide in poles conducted in Israel are anything to go by.
In America there are Christian Zionists…they’re the far right trying to ban abortion and gay and transgender marriages. Easy to spot, because they speak with ego, ignorance, piety, zero facts, and an air of superiority. And usually they are demeaning and insulting the interviewer who asked them tough questions. They reek of a sense of deep hatered and vengeful: it oozes rejoigne their fake and phoney demeanours. And they will never express an unqualified desire for peace. Not to mention they will conflate Israel/aZionism with Judaism at every opportunity. And they blame others constantly. There probably more tell-tale signs…perhaps we should compile a checklist of traits of Zionists: and the Jewish and Christian ones share a lot do the same traits (although I don’t know that Israel is against abortion…and they are certainly in favour of sterilizing non white Jewish immigrants, like from Ethiopia) but they also differ too.
I honestly cannot pinpoint which ones are the worst. It’s like trying to figure out the worst of two evils.
No, I don’t agree. The Israelis are brutal agressifs and occupiers, they use imperialist tactics, and have cover form the world superpowers, and always have.
The Palestinians are the victims, and they have the right under international law to armed resistance.
So I do not agree with your equating of the two peoples.
If you think this, your logic would lead you to conclude that the Jews in 1940s ghettos were as bad as the Nazis who put them there and brutalized them…because those Jews fought back and murdered their captors.
This is just history you can verify.
I hope you get over whatever it is that caused you to write a comment that is anti-Palestinain by implying a whole people are homogenous and somehow monsters or whatever the owed you used.
I’m sure you don’t like to think of yourself as being racist…but your comment is exactly that.
You totally misunderstood. I meant there is not much difference between Christian and Jewish Zionists. Both are evil human garbage. I am 100% behind Palestinian cause. Only Palestinians have right to self-defense. Israeli occupiers and thieves zero right. Maybe I should have been more explicit.
It's pro-Israel Dissonance Syndrome.. Israel can do no wrong and all support of Palestine is terrorism. Upside-down, backwards world we live in. May it not get any crazier than it presently is !
A nation containing millions of people who hate Israel with a white hot passion AND several hundred millions guns. Looks like Zionists got off easy last night.
It was quite a sight to watch the Wash DC police's presss conference yesterday, where the Israeli Ambassador drscribed this act as morally repugnant - with no self reflection at all on his own morally repugnant job as chief PR agent for a genocide. Pure theatre really.
You're right as always, across the board. No, this wasn't a "false flag" (despite NUMEROUS past examples of such events carried out by Israel); all anyone has to do is read the "manifesto" to realize that it was a genuine act of political violence predicated on heartfelt emotions including helplessness and anger. Do I condone it? Who cares. It's not my place to condone or disapprove of anything except the mass slaughter and ethnic cleansing taking place in Gaza accompanied by open bragging, lies and laughter on the part of the perpetrators and their supporters, of which I definitely disapprove.
No real person carrying out an act like this would write a manifesto. That is what the CIA does. Making sure the narrative in the zionist owned media gets pushed the way they want it.
Plenty of people have written manifestos, and they're usually not called hat by the writers or anyone involved in the investigation.
It's a buzzword by media.
This guy, much like the CEO shooter (supposedly Luigi), and the various soldiers or military-adjacent people who have killed themselves or been imprisoned for refusing to continue serving a genocidal empire also write out 'manifestos'.
It's a very simple way of ensuring their story can be told and read if they write out their reasons and publish them online. Otherwise the media could easily bury the story outright or just make up one.
Not everything and everyone is a cia/mossad drone, despite what these organizations want you to fear.
Caitlin's conundrum! Or not! Beautifully said. Brilliant!
"Nothing Israel did to Gaza justified October 7, but also October 7 justifies everything Israel has been doing in Gaza, but also nothing Israel has been doing in Gaza since October 7 justifies any violence toward Israel".
This is the "reasoning" we are to believe in! This is the narrative that is peddled right now.
actually that works good too, but I was thinking displayed in the comment thread. But probably I would abuse it and make things pretty obnoxious to read through
I think there is as much reason to believe this was a false flag as there is to believe it was not.
This is Israel’s Modus Operandi.
And we always must ask: Cui Bono? Who benefits?
And I think we all know the answer to that. Especially at this particular time.
Pay attention to the interview of the « witnesses » talking to media. I watched a couple. Their wording, the content, and their calmness seemed out of place. Yes, all people react differently…but two people in a couple reacting calmly the exact same way to having just witnessed a double homicide?
Worth taking a look with a keen eye and ear.
I will trust only the independent journalists who are capable of verifying the truth. It may take them some months. But I won’t believe a word out of our western media, our politicians, and ofcourse Israel. They have only earned the right to not be trusted ever.
I agree it is fishy, why choose a photogenic young couple for this -“he had just bought her engagement ring”. The Hallmark mini series is writing itself. There is no evidence, but it is fishy.
That's what actually sells it to me as a false flag event. It's a bit too "perfect" with the handsome couple just engaged and so easily picked off as victims of possible stochastic terrorism... The Israelis have proven through their Hannibal Directive that they're more than willing to kill their young people in order to keep the narrative going their way. I bet tomorrow all those EU leaders who were starting to say the "g-word" will stop and start selling arms to Israel all over again.
Of course they will: They're all psychopaths, in the pay of these monsters.
A false flag was my first thought on hearing about the shooting. The timing was too perfect. Just when even mainstream news was starting to use the word "genocide" for the first time, along comes an attack on employees of the Israeli embassy and the screams of "antisemitism!" all over again.
My first thought too. If this wasn't a set up to divert attention away from the starving babies in Gaza, then it was a great spin on a spontaneous act. Mr. Rodriguez could have been a victim of "stochastic terrorism" you could say, driven to do something to stop the genocide and conveniently steered in the right direction to pick easy targets coming out of a well-publicized party.
Can you say "Manchurian Candidate"?
Imagine my shock.
Yep. It's not like Zionists have any aversion to murder for publicity or profit.
Anyone remember the early protests in New York when the media went crazy about men in keffiehs yelling anti semetic threats at pro Israeli protesters? They were later found to be Zionists desguised as Palestinian supporters.
Zionists are really bad liars.
I really think the independent journalists will get to the bottom of it, as the did the « 40 beheaded babies » and all that zio propaganda which was used to justify a genocide.
It is so much like Israel to pull off a trick like this to gain sympathy when world sympathy for them is sinking through the floor.
I lost sympathy for those sleazy manipulators decades ago: An unending whinefest about victimization and antisemitism and the "holocaust" (I now have grave doubts about that story) while they slander, financially destroy and murder anyone they damn please.
By way of deception, thou shalt do war.
The motto of Mossad, is it not?
Nope - NO FALSE FLAG! This is ordinary, normal, humans doing ordinary, normal things (like assassinating Genocidal killers and murderers of babies, children, women, and more). This is a BRAVE INDIVIDUAL sacrificing his life for PALESTINE! He definitely has my respect!
There are going to be many more such events happening in many Western nations all over the world. This is BLOWBACK! It was inevitable. It was only a matter of time...
The world is NOT the same anymore...Genocidal Israel, Zionists, and their supporters have changed the world forever...may they reap what they sow!
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Let us remember what Israel did to Jeffery Epstein after his many years in their employ. Yeah, on its face it seems ridiculous... until... you can't come up with a better reason.
Let us recall what happened to Jack Ruby (Rubinstein a semi-high level member of Lansky's National Crime Syndicate).
It isn't like there are just two-sides to this story. There are dozens of organizations which might have set up a "false-flag".
"False Flag" only means that the real actors were someone other than the accused.
Who recalls Lee Harvey Oswald? Kennedy was hit from multiple directions.
Nope - too many conspiracy theorists on Caitlin's substack (and on Substack in general). This is BLOWBACK - plain and simple - just as 9/11 was blowback and Oct 7 was blowback.
There ya go again, ignoring the evidence that is so clear a child could see it.
9/11 was, in no way, "blow back". It was an Israeli* inspired false flag. Even the MSM was full of stories of how easy it was for the perpetrators to slip through US security..
If that were the only instance, perhaps I'd give you the benefit of the doubt.
But then there are the Tsarnaev brothers of the Boston Marathon bombing.
And JFK and RFK assassinations.
It isn't some "guy-off-the-street" that does this
Dude. The perp wrote an incredible 'manifesto' and shouted Free Palestine, Free Free Palestine when arrested. C'mon - Emerge from the rabbit hole.
https://www.nefariousrussians.com/p/cycles-of-violence
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-israel-embassy-shooter-manifesto
Not everything is a SCAD or false flag.
And how do you know that? Think they don't have to resources to make just about every publicly violent act done by their own hand? Israel cannot be trusted. On Oct 7, with Israels huge surveillance arsenal, they would have known there was going to be an insurgence. They are liars and looters and murderers. I'm talking about the regime not the people. But many of their people love all the killing too.
"Not everything is a SCAD or false flag"? True, but Tom? So many things are. So what "he" wrote a manifesto. Those things are easy enough for forge. So what he shouted "Free Palestine". Have you read or watched "The Manchurian Candidate"? In the past 10 years alone since my home was stolen from me (foolishly purchased on native land) I have experienced corruption and criminality – and manipulation – on the part of all our "leaders", that even though it happened to me? I'm still stunned with incredulity!
>>"9/11 was, in no way, "blow back". It was an Israeli* inspired false flag."
HaHa - did you not read my comment elsewhere on this article that "Substack is FULL of conspiracy theorists and unfortunately so is Caitlin's substack"?
I'm not going to argue conspiracy theories with Conspiracy Theorists - there is a psychology behind it. Conspiracy theorists NEED to believe in such theories to help them make sense of a senseless world. This NEED to believe in such theories is so strong that it becomes a part of their core - regardless of the evidence, facts, whatever.
You are welcome to waste your life chasing down conspiracy theories - they seem to help you make sense of the world and keep you sane - so go for it - stay emotionally healthy - use whatever coping mechanism works. I prefer reality (no matter how uncomfortable it may be for me). The world doesn't need to 'have to' make sense to me - I am ok with the randomness, the chaosness, and all the coincidences in the world - everything doesn't need to have a reason or an explanation - everything doesn't need to have a solution or an answer. I'm comfortable with unknowns and uncertainty.
Most conspiracy theorists are uncomfortable with randomness, lack of causality, lack of coherence, lack of patterns, and lack of definite answers and explanations that are all too common in a universe with more questions than answers.
Go ahead, play The Walter Cronkite role in promoting the conclusions of the Warren commission.
Interject your snob appeal about how stupid I am because I need to make sense of "a senseless world".
Fuk-an-A I want it to make sense and I have to question why you don't.
Talk about false-flags, here you are right in front of us providing us with excuses to turn away from the obvious that is right before us.
Oh you don't think conspiracies happen? You're giving us a profile of yourself.
In retrospect the silence in this morning's news could indicate that they (Israel) are now scared. False flag or not it will probably mark the beginning of a string of attacks on Israeli institutions. As ye sow so shall ye reap. I suspect that the US could be next for these attacks.
Now you have totally lost me. You use "conspiracy theorists" and "conspiracy theory" exactly how the CIA initially intended its use when the term was coined after JFK. I even suspect you now as some sort of controlled opposition after previously agreeing with many of your comments.
To summarize: No, this murder was not part of a Mossad conspiracy or false flag, but 9/11 almost assuredly was. What do you know about the Munich Olympics, BTW? Do you think "Black September" was a Palestinian operation? If so, I can recommend some reading materials.
"There is no expedient to which a man will not resort to avoid the labor of thinking."
– Joshua Reynolds
"Most people would sooner die than think. In fact, they do."
– Betrand Russell
The issue Chang, is not my belief (amply demonstrated) that the very rich and powerful are actively working to maintain their position to the rest of humanity's detriment. The issue is your automatic flat rejection – in totality – of the thesis.
I give up.
"Rich and powerful people don't get together and make plans! You're a kook! You're a 'Conspiracy Buff'"
– George Carlin
Sorry Chang, but for me, especially 9/11? Anyone who uses the term "Conspiracy Theory" in any context, for me is immediately suspect. "Conspiracy Theory" was a notion created by the CIA in the wake of the Warren Commission's grotesque conclusions regarding the first Kennedy Assassination. I'm aware of Cass Sunstein's 2008 paper on "Conspiracy Theory"; I was unable to read it, it was so biased and contemptuous of the mere possibility. You might do well to read "Conspiracy Theory in America by Lance deHaven-Smith" and the more recent "180 Degrees: Unlearn the Lies You've Been Taught to Believe" by Feargus O'Connor Greenwood. The creatures running our shared shitshow treat "reality" like a game of chess, they're always planning 4-5 moves ahead. The one thing in our favor? They're not actually all that clever... 🤔🙄
Cute conspiracy theory.
Here you come again, tonsils flapping
I agree Chang. There is no reason to believe this wasn’t just a frustrated, angry citizen, much like Mangione. This is to be expected. It is going to increase as the oppression increases. The Zionist genocide has been taken advantage of by many governments (most notably the USA and UK) to introduce authoritarian, pre-Nazi oppressions. Just as in Europe in the 1940s, internal citizens and groups will form a resistance. Israel is certainly capable of a false flag event like this but my guess is that Mangione and Rodriguez are early examples of what is to come. As the resistance matures you’ll see more attacks on the politicians and oligarchs.
For those who worry these individual acts will give the "fascists the ammo they need to come after us", the fascists don't need "ammo". Coming after those they label as "other" and those who are like them but disagree with them is in the fascist DNA. Biden, Trump, Sunak, and Starmer didn't need events like this to introduce legislation and tactics to suppress peaceful protests. They are coming for us; we should be getting ready rather than condemning individual acts or debating conspiracy theories.
>>"Coming after those they label as "other" and those who are like them but disagree with them is in the fascist DNA. Biden, Trump, Sunak, and Starmer didn't need events like this to introduce legislation and tactics to suppress peaceful protests."
EXACTLY! 💯
No 9/11 was not done by Muslims. Oh boy. Do you even know that Building 7 went down the same way on that day? Do you know it was reported by the BBC 20 minutes before it went down? Oh there is so much more.
No offense, Denise, but I usually ignore ALL your comments - different wavelengths. I apologize.
No I can tell you're closed minded. Like I said earlier, you're giving a profile of yourself for all to see.
Explain to us what happened to WTC-7.
This should be good.
False flag or not, I see this setting the pro Palestinian movement back and give Trump, Rubio & the other cabinet fascists the ammo they need to come after "us" . . . .
That's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is as an expansion of awareness of what the world has come to.
Things CANNOT go back to how they were before this Genocide. The world has FOREVER changed. Much about the future is going to be unpredictable and uncomfortable.
All I know is that the Genocidal state of Israel MUST BE DESTROYED (in one way or another), and MUST CEASE TO EXIST in its current form...
I disapprove of your use of the pejorative "conspiracy theorists" because it is a CIA coined phrase designed specifically to de-legitimize critical discussion of SCADs (state crimes against democracy).
That said, I 100% agree with you that this was not a false flag. There is too much evidence otherwise and people are not savvy enough to parse the information from the noise and bullshit.
>>" because it is a CIA coined phrase"
Tom, please get your facts straight. The term Conspiracy Theorist and conspiracy theory have been around long before the creation of the CIA.
(1) ‘Conspiracy theory’ coined long before JFK assassination [https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-conspiracy-theory-jfk-941578119864]
(2) https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/03/16/did-the-cia-invent-the-term-conspiracy-theory/
(3) https://theconversation.com/theres-a-conspiracy-theory-that-the-cia-invented-the-term-conspiracy-theory-heres-why-132117 (same content as the previous link)
(4) Conspiracy Theory: The Nineteenth-Century Prehistory of a Twentieth-Century Concept [https://academic.oup.com/book/25369/chapter-abstract/192453115] from the book: "Conspiracy Theories & the People Who Believe Them"
(5) A critical conceptualization of conspiracy theory [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1467-8675.12683] ->an interesting article around thinking about conspiracies and what exactly is a conspiracy theory.
Conspiracy theories thrive in societies in upheaval, with poor education systems, disaffected populations, and low social capital. But experts can’t simply tell people to stop believing lies. Rather, society has to put people in a better position to see the truth. This is part of what Caitlin does with her Substack articles.
And remember - conspiracy theories are NOT unique to the U.S. They are global.
You're quoting Snopes? LOL!
https://www.coreysdigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/CIA_ConspiracyTheory1.png
Do you understand things like "Google analytics" or previous means of determining the frequency of the use of certain terms and phrases?
If so find me a dozen uses of the term "conspiracy theory" in ANY year, combined, prior to 1964.
I'll wait.
LOL. AP? Snopes?
The dispatch was produced in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by the New York Times in 1976.
The dispatch states:
2. This trend of opinion is a matter of concern to the U.S. government, including our organization.
The aim of this dispatch is to provide materialcountering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries. Background information is supplied in a classified section and in a number of unclassified attachments.
3. Action. We do not recommend that discussion of the [conspiracy] question be initiated where it is not already taking place. Where discussion is active addresses are requested:
a. To discuss the publicity problem with and friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors) , pointing out that the [official investigation of the relevant event] made as thorough an investigation as humanly possible, that the charges of the critics are without serious foundation, and that further speculative discussion only plays into the hands of the opposition. Point out also that parts of the conspiracy talk appear to be deliberately generated by … propagandists. Urge them to use their influence to discourage unfounded and irresponsible speculation.
b. To employ propaganda assets to and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose. The unclassified attachments to this guidance should provide useful background material for passing to assets. Our ploy should point out, as applicable, that the critics are (I) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, (II) politically interested, (III) financially interested, (IV) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or (V) infatuated with their own theories.
4. In private to media discussions not directed at any particular writer, or in attacking publications which may be yet forthcoming, the following arguments should be useful:
a. No significant new evidence has emerged which the Commission did not consider.
b. Critics usually overvalue particular items and ignore others. They tend to place more emphasis on the recollections of individual witnesses (which are less reliable and more divergent–and hence offer more hand-holds for criticism) …
c. Conspiracy on the large scale often suggested would be impossible to conceal in the United States, esp. since informants could expect to receive large royalties, etc.
d. Critics have often been enticed by a form of intellectual pride: they light on some theory and fall in love with it; they also scoff at the Commission because it did not always answer every question with a flat decision one way or the other.
f. As to charges that the Commission’s report was a rush job, it emerged three months after the deadline originally set. But to the degree that the Commission tried to speed up its reporting, this was largely due to the pressure of irresponsible speculation already appearing, in some cases coming from the same critics who, refusing to admit their errors, are now putting out new criticisms.
g. Such vague accusations as that “more than ten people have died mysteriously” can always be explained in some natural way
5. Where possible, counter speculation by encouraging reference to the Commission’s Report itself. Open-minded foreign readers should still be impressed by the care, thoroughness, objectivity and speed with which the Commission worked. Reviewers of other books might be encouraged to add to their account the idea that, checking back with the report itself, they found it far superior to the work of its critics.
If you yell loud enough, I'll be convinced.
Respectfully cannot agree with you. We don’t know enough.
And he could have been a pro Palestinian that was set up by Mossad…
Interesting that one of the people killed was a Christian, don’t you think?
Let’s see if they actually investigate this thoroughly.
We simply don’t know.
The best I can say is it’s 50-50 odds.
But there are a lot more Mossad operatives and operations then there are people in the world willing to do this. But there are probably a lot of desperate people in the world who could be coerced into doing such a thing: threats to family, psychological tactics, black mail, monetary reward…..Mossad do all of this.
So, I feel I’m being more then fair stating the odds at 50-50 as the probability seem much higher on the Mossad side, given notice, past behaviour.
Until now, the only Jews killed in anti-semitic attacks in America since the at in Gaza have been other Jews who were mistaken for Palestinians. Many Palestinians in the other hand have been attacked and shot by islamaphobes.
Just keep an open mind is all im saying, and wait to see what the independent journalists uncover
He could have been many things. The fact is none of us know. What you should be asking yourselves on each and every theory put forward is what if it's true? I'm not talking about one theory. I'm talking about all of them. Question them all critically. Do not be afraid to change your mind. Is this or that theory worthy or is it just a distraction. Keep your minds open especially to the fact that you could be wrong. If you think you've never been wrong you are a fool.
You don't need to agree with me. One needs to think critically. And one should keep an open mind - but not such an open mind that their brains fall out and they start believing in normal events as being false flags and conspiratorial events.
>>"Interesting that one of the people killed was a Christian, don’t you think?"
Irrelevant. This is extraneous info. This is how conspiracy theories work - EVERY insignificant detail is given paramount importance so as to 'connect all the dots' in some kind of 'grand plan', 'grand conspiracy'.
There is a very simple explanation for this. In fact, it is so simple that the simpleness of it causes people to not believe it - BLOWBACK!
People expect unusual explanations/reasons for rare events. People have a hard time accepting that even very rare events can occur for the most mundane and natural of reasons.
Hard logic to argue with. I'm out of here today. Too many people unwilling to think outside of their own little boxes. From a purely emotional state I think it could be highly likely that some people have had enough and are finally taking matters into their own hands. Peace to you Chiang. While I don't always agree with you, at least you are always rational.
You don't say anything original do you?
Any more of this trolling and I'm inclined to block you.
A question for you. Disregarding this shooting do you believe Mossad would carry out murder of people sympathetic to Israel to further Israel’s agenda?
>>"do you believe Mossad would carry out murder of people sympathetic to Israel to further Israel’s agenda?"
Of course - 100%. Israel (and Mossad) is capable of things a thousand times worse that the 'murder of people sympathetic to Israel to further its agenda' - as evidenced by the enfolding genocide. Israel is capable of unimaginable EVIL.
Here is a book that gives some examples of what Israel/Mossad/etc. are capable of ->"Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel's Targeted Assassinations" by Ronen Berman (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33598223-rise-and-kill-first) -> details many assassinations that Israel has carried out for the U.S. Empire.
But 'being capable of something' is not a strong enough argument for people to assign the kind of probabilities they do to such events and jump to conclusions.
One difference between conspiracists and 'intellectually honest skeptics' is the quality of critical thinking skills and evidence-based reasoning - which is very difficult to find in the general public (America or otherwise).
We completely agree. And thank you for the links.
Chang, I tend to agree with you.
Thank you Indu. The evilness of what Israel (and all its backers) have perpetrated not only on Gaza, the West Bank, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan AND the whole world would (maybe should?) make any normal person with normal human emotions BOIL with RAGE and DISGUST - the utter mendacity, depravity, ...I'm at a loss for words here...
This is a normal reaction by a person with normal emotions at what Israel and Zionists have wrought on the world.
It's possible but it didn't happen while the long-drawn out genocide was going on. Israel cannot be trusted and that ought to be a given.
Did you ever think that it takes time for the smoldering anger at injustice to burst into flame. This man has likely sacrificed his own life to a cause he believes in. Nobody comes to a conclusion like this lightly. It takes time and incredible courage.
Chang
Those were certainly my initial thoughts. Substitute “Rodriguez” for “Luigi”. A warning to IsraHell and its employees that it is THEY who have targets on their backs.
I have a feeling this won’t be the first of such incidences.
Of course, now the “special protection” for Jews will be increased tenfold. Funny how we still have Ku Klux Klan in this country, but no one is advocating special protection for Black Americans, or Hispanic, or Asian or gods forbid, Arab-Americans.
Only for the “chosen”. Will someone please hand me a barf bag?
It seems plausible, but who were the ones sacrificed? Just like the shot that grazed trump's ear. It seemed like a set-up, but who was sacrificed? I never even heard anything about him.
Did it? Or special effects? (With collateral loss of Corey Comperatore.)
The whole raising his fist and the near miss really did seem pre-planned, but what about the shooter who was shot? And how on earth did they not spot the shooter beforehand? (He had one job lol)
Are the autopsy results, with photographs, available? Was he conveniently "cremated"? Took two tries for Trump's hand to be bloodied, and then he made broad his WWE bandage (phylactery).
Right. Suspicious. But then so is everything to do with this devil.
Sorry but you're wrong. While Israel has a long history of false flags, the gunman here seemed genuine and wrote an incredibly moving, accurate and educated manifesto.
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-israel-embassy-shooter-manifesto
https://www.nefariousrussians.com/p/cycles-of-violence
You are correct that Israel should never be trusted, ever. But this wasn't Israel, this time.
Its a lying, murderous sack of s£it psycho nation. Nothing is too horrible or perverted to be impossible. Understand what you are dealing with.
Because its innocent Palestinian lives on the line here. And yout freedom and democracy at risk too if yiu live in the so called "west".
You don’t think it possible that this man was set up by mosssad…encouraged…given the information of the whereabouts of these embassy members at that location….outside of a Jewish museum and not in the embassy itself to make it look anti semitic….
Ofcourse they would pick or manipulate someone with a digital past that suits then narrative that they want.
Mossad wouldn’t hesitate to create that exact event and create the opportunity of zero security (it was young professionals…not senior people who would have security) and easy target and feed that to someone they can manipulate.
Whatever a person can think of Mossad have thought of it first and will use anything to suit their goals, zero red lines.
So we do not know enough.
I will wait for the investigative journalists, the only people right now who can be trusted.
Did you all not read the manifesto??? Pretty sure this wasn't a false flag, as convenient as it sounds.
https://open.substack.com/pub/kenklippenstein/p/the-israel-embassy-shooter-manifesto?r=d9008&utm_medium=ios
Could this manifesto have been put out by Ai?
Nope. Ken published Luigi’s manifesto and is one of the only independent journalists who will publish manifestos, as most won’t touch them. The trump admin is slowly admitting the manifesto is legit, yet they're not sharing it and they've given very few details about it. I’d think if this was a false flag, they'd want everyone to read it. Just my opinion of course.
I saw the 'manifesto' yesterday.
First thought was: It's too clean by that I mean, it's quite unemotional although this WAS an emotional attack.
That's your perception based on experiencing what occurred through the lens of media, law enforcement, politicians, the feds, journalists, etc. Collectively, that narrative is a clusterfuck at the moment. Depending on who you ask, they may want you to think the alleged incident was highly emotional because that fits their narrative of a “radicalized leftist lunatic.”
Writing a manifesto and taking an action described in the manifesto don’t have to match as far as emotions go (or the lack of). I realize you’re saying the alleged act was an emotional one, but based on the manifesto, it seemed like more of a necessary next step for a seemingly deeply intellectual individual who placed his beliefs and values above all else. At least that was my interpretation of it.
I don't watch Mainstream Media or TV.
I am halfway believing it was just what you say BUT the day after prominent Govts. SEEM to be responding with regard to Israel, is a bit obvious!
it's also sus that things leapfrogged from taking over some college buildings to a double-assassination of a central casting israeli couple - there's a whole universe of 'political violence' that just got waived in between those two extremes - but then again, this is the kind of stuff that makes people crazy and they just break
Did you not read Mr. Rodriguez’s statement? It’s extremely lucid, and nothing like what a false flag would have sounded like. There’s no ranting or slogans, just clear statements of facts that are completely on point. Please read it and then see if it sounds like something a hasnara would be able to write. Ken Klippenstein has posted it on his Substack.
I don’t have to agree with his actions to recognize his perspective.
Also, a SWAT team showed up almost immediately. Not the norm.
The only reason I question whether this was a false flag was that the shooter's manifesto was too well-written, no cheap stereotypes or well-worn tropes about Jews.
Play with fire, expect some blowback. This is hardly anything when one considers what has happened to Gaza.
Exactly.
CJ>>"You simply cannot give Israel sympathy. For anything. Ever. No matter what happens. Israel weaponizes sympathy; it uses any sympathy it’s given as a weapon to justify murdering people."
SO TRUE! Israel deserves a fate WORSE than HELL! Supporters of Israel deserve the same fate!
Fuck Genocidal Israel! Fuck the Genocidal U.S. Empire! FREE PALESTINE!!!
Israel is danger and mortal threat to us all. All normal peaceful humans. We all will become Palestinians if something is not done. Once jews exploit useful idiots (such as US/EU politicians and mass media) they will get rid of them too. Also, of millions of Christian Zionists and Hindu racists. Jews believe that they should rule the world and that all other humans are just there to serve them and be disposed of at any time desired. Israel is the ultimate monstrosity and the cancer of humanity.
I would not use the word 'Jews' here. Jews are NOT special, just like Hindus or Christians, etc. are not special. What is important to focus on are the IDEOLOGIES that make ordinary people behave like monsters. Hindutva does that to some Hindus. Nazism did that to some Christians. Zionism does that to some Jews. And atheists are susceptible to such ideologies too.
In fact, more Christian Zionists and even non-Christians and non-Jews are responsible for supporting this Genocide. Think of ALL the people and leaders and yes-men and yes-women in all the Western nations who are not Jewish but are still supporting Israel in one way or another.
Most but of course not all jews (overwhelming majority has no semitic roots) believe they are special. God chosen people. Don't believe me. Listen to what they say openly and brazenly. For most of them racism and sense of supremacy is quite normal.
One can make the same argument for Aryans (Christians, Nazi Germany) or Hindus (Hindutva). In fact, true Jews would denounce Zionism - as Zionism is against Judaism. Many Orthodox Jews also denounce Zionism.
The 'Jews' that do most of this EVIL stuff are far from religious - and I wouldn't even consider them real Jews, but Jews in name only (like America calls itself a Democracy - but is one in name only and not in reality).
Also, people in positions of power and authority tend to hijack ANY narratives lying around that they can use towards their cause. One of these FALSE narratives is that 'Jews are God's chosen people and are superior to others'. Another FALSE narrative is 'God gave the land of Palestine to Israel'.
Jews are not monolithic, just as Christians, Muslims, etc. are not monolithic. Hence, I caution people to distinguish between Jews, Judaism, and Zionism.
Some of them consider non-Jews "goyim" which means cattle. I don't know of any other nationality/religion that considers those outside of their tribe "cattle".
Reminder that Israeli zionists regularly bar actual jewish people from living in Jerusalem and the rest of Palestine, and only consider specific groups of ashkenazi jews to be "true" jews.
Don't conflate the two, because that only benefits Israel.
Yes you're right. Ashkenazi Jews are self-appointed Jews. I'm sure there are many good ones of those people too but overall all people are being manipulated by Israel (the regime - that's another distinction that has to be made)
Totally agree
Not to diminish whatever else you've written above, Caitlin, "The west’s support for Israel is causing a nonstop aggressive assault on our civil rights throughout the entire western world. This is personal. Israel directly threatens us all" encapsulates it all.
FREE PALESTINE! FREE PALESTINE! FREE PALESTINE! Aaron Bushnell and Mr. Rodriquez are of the same empathic, essential minds!
If I wanted to pretend to be a mind reader, I’d say that the main motivation for this operation was to show to the world how utterly duplicitous, hypocritical and racist the entire mainstream media and establishment is. That is the outcome. The establishment treats two lives as far more valuable than hundreds of thousands of lives. The world sees this double standard and is sickened by it.
Yes. How disgusting and hypocritical US/western mass media is. They call that shooting "unspeakable horror and/or terror". But dropping big bombs to destroy buildings with people inside and murdering defenseless women, children, men is "war" and "right to defend itself". As long as israel exists humanity will be on the very edge of self-destruction.
If that is what comes out of it, that would be great.
"This is personal. Israel directly threatens us all."
Never forget it! Thank you for this excellent perspective.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
JFK
Violence against Jews after Nabka and British lies? Yeah, I hate the Jews of Israel for allowing this and more than hating them, I hate the Zionists inside our country and influencing our politics as much as I hate what they are doing to a truly beautiful people with true semantic blood in their DNA. Israel is the ultimate anti-seminites seen in the entire world. They don't have the DNA to claim otherwise. Palestinians do.
I think the vast majority of Israelis are zionists, if the support for genocide in poles conducted in Israel are anything to go by.
In America there are Christian Zionists…they’re the far right trying to ban abortion and gay and transgender marriages. Easy to spot, because they speak with ego, ignorance, piety, zero facts, and an air of superiority. And usually they are demeaning and insulting the interviewer who asked them tough questions. They reek of a sense of deep hatered and vengeful: it oozes rejoigne their fake and phoney demeanours. And they will never express an unqualified desire for peace. Not to mention they will conflate Israel/aZionism with Judaism at every opportunity. And they blame others constantly. There probably more tell-tale signs…perhaps we should compile a checklist of traits of Zionists: and the Jewish and Christian ones share a lot do the same traits (although I don’t know that Israel is against abortion…and they are certainly in favour of sterilizing non white Jewish immigrants, like from Ethiopia) but they also differ too.
I honestly cannot pinpoint which ones are the worst. It’s like trying to figure out the worst of two evils.
Sorry for the rant.
Why do you need to know who is worse? Why does it matter? Both are humanoid-like monsters beyond repair.
No, I don’t agree. The Israelis are brutal agressifs and occupiers, they use imperialist tactics, and have cover form the world superpowers, and always have.
The Palestinians are the victims, and they have the right under international law to armed resistance.
So I do not agree with your equating of the two peoples.
If you think this, your logic would lead you to conclude that the Jews in 1940s ghettos were as bad as the Nazis who put them there and brutalized them…because those Jews fought back and murdered their captors.
This is just history you can verify.
I hope you get over whatever it is that caused you to write a comment that is anti-Palestinain by implying a whole people are homogenous and somehow monsters or whatever the owed you used.
I’m sure you don’t like to think of yourself as being racist…but your comment is exactly that.
You totally misunderstood. I meant there is not much difference between Christian and Jewish Zionists. Both are evil human garbage. I am 100% behind Palestinian cause. Only Palestinians have right to self-defense. Israeli occupiers and thieves zero right. Maybe I should have been more explicit.
The checklist would be the same as a checklist for narcissism.
"Zionism offered itself as the solution to anti-Semitism, but became the main reason for its continued presence."
Ilan Pappé
not a drop of sympathy for the zionist entity, regardless of what the truth turns out to be
It's pro-Israel Dissonance Syndrome.. Israel can do no wrong and all support of Palestine is terrorism. Upside-down, backwards world we live in. May it not get any crazier than it presently is !
A nation containing millions of people who hate Israel with a white hot passion AND several hundred millions guns. Looks like Zionists got off easy last night.
The job of the Israeli staffer who was shot was to assist his government in its Genocide of the Palestinian people.
So, he was no angel; he was either directly or indirectly active in support of Genocide.
It was quite a sight to watch the Wash DC police's presss conference yesterday, where the Israeli Ambassador drscribed this act as morally repugnant - with no self reflection at all on his own morally repugnant job as chief PR agent for a genocide. Pure theatre really.
Its a staged act. A false flag.
You're right as always, across the board. No, this wasn't a "false flag" (despite NUMEROUS past examples of such events carried out by Israel); all anyone has to do is read the "manifesto" to realize that it was a genuine act of political violence predicated on heartfelt emotions including helplessness and anger. Do I condone it? Who cares. It's not my place to condone or disapprove of anything except the mass slaughter and ethnic cleansing taking place in Gaza accompanied by open bragging, lies and laughter on the part of the perpetrators and their supporters, of which I definitely disapprove.
Its actually an irrelevant situation, amidst an ongoing mass murder of several years now.
This is true.
No real person carrying out an act like this would write a manifesto. That is what the CIA does. Making sure the narrative in the zionist owned media gets pushed the way they want it.
Plenty of people have written manifestos, and they're usually not called hat by the writers or anyone involved in the investigation.
It's a buzzword by media.
This guy, much like the CEO shooter (supposedly Luigi), and the various soldiers or military-adjacent people who have killed themselves or been imprisoned for refusing to continue serving a genocidal empire also write out 'manifestos'.
It's a very simple way of ensuring their story can be told and read if they write out their reasons and publish them online. Otherwise the media could easily bury the story outright or just make up one.
Not everything and everyone is a cia/mossad drone, despite what these organizations want you to fear.
Caitlin's conundrum! Or not! Beautifully said. Brilliant!
"Nothing Israel did to Gaza justified October 7, but also October 7 justifies everything Israel has been doing in Gaza, but also nothing Israel has been doing in Gaza since October 7 justifies any violence toward Israel".
This is the "reasoning" we are to believe in! This is the narrative that is peddled right now.
Israeli embassy staff = ex Mossad. Vile people.
Surprised this not linked here: https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/the-israel-embassy-shooter-manifesto/
the OG source: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-israel-embassy-shooter-manifesto
See illustration at Kevin Barrett's version.
These are the times I wish we could post images here!
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbbcbbb6d-9bb1-4d7a-aedc-c0bf3b738f02_2000x1291.heic
actually that works good too, but I was thinking displayed in the comment thread. But probably I would abuse it and make things pretty obnoxious to read through
And Rumsfeld seemed like the exact reincarnation of McNamara. Evil men both.