Now you have totally lost me. You use "conspiracy theorists" and "conspiracy theory" exactly how the CIA initially intended its use when the term was coined after JFK. I even suspect you now as some sort of controlled opposition after previously agreeing with many of your comments.
To summarize: No, this murder was not part of a Mossad conspiracy or false flag, but 9/11 almost assuredly was. What do you know about the Munich Olympics, BTW? Do you think "Black September" was a Palestinian operation? If so, I can recommend some reading materials.
I don't mean to use Conspircy Theorists in a pejorative way. Conspiracy Theorists are usually quite intelligent people - they take great effort at seeking out patterns and attempting to connect-the-dots.
Also, there are several conspiracy theories that ARE true.
>>" I even suspect you now as some sort of controlled opposition after previously agreeing with many of your comments."
That is more conspiratorial thinking on your part.
Like I to said to someone else, I'm not going to argue individual conspiracy theoies with you. It is ALWAYS a time-waster and counter-productive.
I could recommend many books for you to read (on conspiracy theories and conspiratorial thinking and WHY people believe conspiracies), but I am quite confident that you will not read them. If you decide to change your mind, let me know.
If you equate ANYTHING I've said with support of Israelis or Zionists or the such, then you've got BIGGER critical thinking problems and logic issues to deal with than conspiracy theories.
Why does it matter to you so much what I think about Conspiracy Theories and Conspiracy Theorists and conspiracism? I'm not stopping you from believing in them.
What matters to me MR CHANG CHOKASKI is this: Why do you not have your own substack?
Why are you on Caitlin's substack ALL the time?
Why don't you take your opinions somewhere else?
Sick and tired of you with your pompous rhetoric. Some of us are trying to find our way through a minefield and YOUR opinions are boring.
I am an artist and I like being an artist. I judge people from what I see. NOT listening to ridiculous rhetoric...you would love to have us the same as you. No thank you.
You really ARE a stupid, abusive piece of shit, aren't you? Logic too much to handle? Get the FUCK outta here - you are worse than Dale Ruff, Rosylyn Ross, and almost as bad as Russian_Bot - that's saying quite a lot.
Go seek professional therapy! Seems like you really need it.
>>"You are treating us like children so fuck off."
No, YOU think you are being treated like a child - which is worse - and shows how little you think of yourself. So go FUCK yourself OFF Jenny Stokes!
If you don't want to be seen as a genocide supporter then stop debating conspiracy theories that are orthogonal to the genocide.
Simple.
So Simple that you can't see it because you're so wrapped up in applying "conspiracy theory" models to this "clear as day" tragedy.
Snowden warned us (4 years ago) against Apophenia. I think of it as getting so engrossed in details that you can't see what it is you're looking at. (forest for the trees).
This debate about false flag or no false flag is a diversion into trivialities that camouflage the obvious crime. The very fact that you continue "down this rabbit hole" transforms into de facto support for Israel.
It is the same ridiculous navel examination that requires so many to condemn Russia's "illegal, unprovoked invasion" of Ukraine. Garland Nixon does a pretty good job of 'cutting through the Bullshit'.
It matters to me because your insistence on pursuing this minutiae serves to divert attention from the evil endemic to Israel. You are so deep into the triviality of the debate you can't back out and see the real crime, let alone how to stop the slaughter.
30 books on conspiracy theories yet you fail to understand what they are telling you.
There's no polite way of saying this... "Pull your head out of your ass."
>>"If you don't want to be seen as a genocide supporter then stop debating conspiracy theories that are orthogonal to the genocide."
So your LOGIC is -> you must believe in ALL conspiracies to do with Israel and Zionists to PROVE that you are against Genocides?
You won't pass even 'high-school' basic logic with such assertions.
The Israeli embassy event is a non-event and insignificant IN COMPARISON to the unimaginable EVILS and horrors that Israelis and Zionists have unleashed onto this world (and the Genocide and ethnic cleansing is a major part of this, but not all of it - Zionists have been doing such things for 100+ years now)
Get your priorities straight. FOCUS on the REAL ISSUE (which is Israel, Zionists, the U.S. Empire, the Oligarchs, the system of Capitalism, and more).
Separate events. Don't create weak causal links between them just because they seem to satisfy some belief system or another.
Ukraine is a different issue from Israel, which is a different issue from 9/11, which is a different issue from the JFK assassination. Conspiracy theorists love to tie up separate events into some 'grand over-arching plot' that connects things together (that have specious logic/evidence for such connections) into 'grand master plans/theories'. Why? One reason is that it helps them make sense of a senseless world - it provides the powerless with emotional support and security - in a sense it is a survival mechanism.
"So your LOGIC is -> you must believe in ALL conspiracies to do with Israel and Zionists to PROVE that you are against Genocides?"
Your reading comprehension is lacking. You repeat, ad nauseam, the same thing. You deliberately misconstrue our arguments and repeat them back in some completely unrecognizable form. They are reflections from a fun house mirror.
Those of us who are willing to entertain the idea that the murders were an Israeli "deep state" operation are not asserting 100% that it was, but that it is quite possible given the heinous evil that defines Israel.
You, on the other hand, are 100% certain that it was not an Israeli operation.
Your books on Conspiracy Theories reveal how humans can allow themselves to be "tricked" into believing something that isn't rational. Snowden's article on apophenia covers this also. Quite well, in a much shorter context than all of your recommended books. https://edwardsnowden.substack.com/p/conspiracy-pt2
But that is in no way proof that Israel didn't commit the murders. It is an invitation to question whether or not it was a Mossad operation. But asking that question doesn't prove that Israel didn't do it.
The evidence is entirely circumstantial. Given the lies Israel tells and its commitment to the Hannibal Directive and the Mossad operations of the past, is it any wonder that people are willing to commit to this conclusion. "Mossad did it".
Your anti-conspiracy drivel is meaningless in this context and is actually a condemnation of your position because you insist without evidence, without even circumstantial evidence based on Israel's character, that Israel didn't do it.
(2) The Believing Brain: From Ghosts and Gods to Politics and Conspiracies---How We Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11438651)
This is how stupid you are Jenny Stokes - that you believe one can have Long Covid without having Covid - yes I remember that comment. (If I find the comment, I will link it here). Does your stupid and insecurity have NO lower bounds? How low can you sink Jenny Stokes?
You like to leave your 'droppings' (your comments) within a certain time range all over the place and then run away LIKE THE COWARD you are and never respond when challenged.
Seriously, you desperately need 'professional help' - go seek it instead of bothering other people.
Also, while you're at it - LEARN TO READ. Then work on your READING COMPREHENSION skills. I dare you.
He is a glowie for sure. These fucking ops and AI, its time to go low tech and begin the conversations in non digital places, that way when we spot the op, we can block their comments the old fashioned way.
Now you have totally lost me. You use "conspiracy theorists" and "conspiracy theory" exactly how the CIA initially intended its use when the term was coined after JFK. I even suspect you now as some sort of controlled opposition after previously agreeing with many of your comments.
To summarize: No, this murder was not part of a Mossad conspiracy or false flag, but 9/11 almost assuredly was. What do you know about the Munich Olympics, BTW? Do you think "Black September" was a Palestinian operation? If so, I can recommend some reading materials.
I don't mean to use Conspircy Theorists in a pejorative way. Conspiracy Theorists are usually quite intelligent people - they take great effort at seeking out patterns and attempting to connect-the-dots.
Also, there are several conspiracy theories that ARE true.
>>" I even suspect you now as some sort of controlled opposition after previously agreeing with many of your comments."
That is more conspiratorial thinking on your part.
Like I to said to someone else, I'm not going to argue individual conspiracy theoies with you. It is ALWAYS a time-waster and counter-productive.
I could recommend many books for you to read (on conspiracy theories and conspiratorial thinking and WHY people believe conspiracies), but I am quite confident that you will not read them. If you decide to change your mind, let me know.
My you are "slick"
Taking your own words and coating them with milk chocolate so we will eat the medicine you've prescribed.
Name a couple of those "Many Books" so we can rip into the banal falsity they are selling.
Stop making excuses for Israeli genocide.
Exactly. His "arguments" slither back and forth to try and get each person to agree with him in some way per reply thread. He a glowie.
If you equate ANYTHING I've said with support of Israelis or Zionists or the such, then you've got BIGGER critical thinking problems and logic issues to deal with than conspiracy theories.
Why does it matter to you so much what I think about Conspiracy Theories and Conspiracy Theorists and conspiracism? I'm not stopping you from believing in them.
What matters to me MR CHANG CHOKASKI is this: Why do you not have your own substack?
Why are you on Caitlin's substack ALL the time?
Why don't you take your opinions somewhere else?
Sick and tired of you with your pompous rhetoric. Some of us are trying to find our way through a minefield and YOUR opinions are boring.
I am an artist and I like being an artist. I judge people from what I see. NOT listening to ridiculous rhetoric...you would love to have us the same as you. No thank you.
You are treating us like children so fuck off.
You really ARE a stupid, abusive piece of shit, aren't you? Logic too much to handle? Get the FUCK outta here - you are worse than Dale Ruff, Rosylyn Ross, and almost as bad as Russian_Bot - that's saying quite a lot.
Go seek professional therapy! Seems like you really need it.
>>"You are treating us like children so fuck off."
No, YOU think you are being treated like a child - which is worse - and shows how little you think of yourself. So go FUCK yourself OFF Jenny Stokes!
If you don't want to be seen as a genocide supporter then stop debating conspiracy theories that are orthogonal to the genocide.
Simple.
So Simple that you can't see it because you're so wrapped up in applying "conspiracy theory" models to this "clear as day" tragedy.
Snowden warned us (4 years ago) against Apophenia. I think of it as getting so engrossed in details that you can't see what it is you're looking at. (forest for the trees).
This debate about false flag or no false flag is a diversion into trivialities that camouflage the obvious crime. The very fact that you continue "down this rabbit hole" transforms into de facto support for Israel.
It is the same ridiculous navel examination that requires so many to condemn Russia's "illegal, unprovoked invasion" of Ukraine. Garland Nixon does a pretty good job of 'cutting through the Bullshit'.
It matters to me because your insistence on pursuing this minutiae serves to divert attention from the evil endemic to Israel. You are so deep into the triviality of the debate you can't back out and see the real crime, let alone how to stop the slaughter.
30 books on conspiracy theories yet you fail to understand what they are telling you.
There's no polite way of saying this... "Pull your head out of your ass."
>>"If you don't want to be seen as a genocide supporter then stop debating conspiracy theories that are orthogonal to the genocide."
So your LOGIC is -> you must believe in ALL conspiracies to do with Israel and Zionists to PROVE that you are against Genocides?
You won't pass even 'high-school' basic logic with such assertions.
The Israeli embassy event is a non-event and insignificant IN COMPARISON to the unimaginable EVILS and horrors that Israelis and Zionists have unleashed onto this world (and the Genocide and ethnic cleansing is a major part of this, but not all of it - Zionists have been doing such things for 100+ years now)
Get your priorities straight. FOCUS on the REAL ISSUE (which is Israel, Zionists, the U.S. Empire, the Oligarchs, the system of Capitalism, and more).
Separate events. Don't create weak causal links between them just because they seem to satisfy some belief system or another.
Ukraine is a different issue from Israel, which is a different issue from 9/11, which is a different issue from the JFK assassination. Conspiracy theorists love to tie up separate events into some 'grand over-arching plot' that connects things together (that have specious logic/evidence for such connections) into 'grand master plans/theories'. Why? One reason is that it helps them make sense of a senseless world - it provides the powerless with emotional support and security - in a sense it is a survival mechanism.
There's more to it - please go ahead and read some of the books mentioned in my other comment here (https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/thoughts-on-the-israeli-embassy-staff/comment/119460442) - that is IF you are brave/courageous enough to examine your beliefs (which most people aren't).
"So your LOGIC is -> you must believe in ALL conspiracies to do with Israel and Zionists to PROVE that you are against Genocides?"
Your reading comprehension is lacking. You repeat, ad nauseam, the same thing. You deliberately misconstrue our arguments and repeat them back in some completely unrecognizable form. They are reflections from a fun house mirror.
Those of us who are willing to entertain the idea that the murders were an Israeli "deep state" operation are not asserting 100% that it was, but that it is quite possible given the heinous evil that defines Israel.
You, on the other hand, are 100% certain that it was not an Israeli operation.
Your books on Conspiracy Theories reveal how humans can allow themselves to be "tricked" into believing something that isn't rational. Snowden's article on apophenia covers this also. Quite well, in a much shorter context than all of your recommended books. https://edwardsnowden.substack.com/p/conspiracy-pt2
But that is in no way proof that Israel didn't commit the murders. It is an invitation to question whether or not it was a Mossad operation. But asking that question doesn't prove that Israel didn't do it.
The evidence is entirely circumstantial. Given the lies Israel tells and its commitment to the Hannibal Directive and the Mossad operations of the past, is it any wonder that people are willing to commit to this conclusion. "Mossad did it".
Your anti-conspiracy drivel is meaningless in this context and is actually a condemnation of your position because you insist without evidence, without even circumstantial evidence based on Israel's character, that Israel didn't do it.
Here is a list of 30 books to get you started. It should keep you busy for quite a while...
(1) Conspiracies of Conspiracies: How Delusions Have Overrun America (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41591178)
(2) The Believing Brain: From Ghosts and Gods to Politics and Conspiracies---How We Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11438651)
(3) Conspiracies and Conspiracy Theories in the Age of Trump (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40765231)
(4) Conspiracy Theories and the People Who Believe Them (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40404817)
(5) Conspiracy Theories: A Primer (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/121967479)
(6) Conspiracy: A History of Boll*cks Theories, and How Not to Fall for Them (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61404604)
(7) Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61857147)
(8) Conspirituality: How New Age Conspiracy Theories Became a Health Threat (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62874269)
(9) Counter-Knowledge: How We Surrendered to Conspiracy Theories, Quack Medicine, Bogus Science and Fake History (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3721140)
(10) Debunked: Separate the Rational from the Irrational in Influential Conspiracy Theories (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60019327)
(11) Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12321929)
(12) Debunking Conspiracy Theories (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41545720)
(13) Denying Science: Conspiracy Theories, Media Distortions, and the War Against Reality (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12410995)
(14) Empire of Conspiracy: The Culture of Paranoia in Postwar America (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/536292)
(15) Enemies Within: The Culture of Conspiracy in Modern America (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/313837)
(16) Escaping the Rabbit Hole: How to Debunk Conspiracy Theories Using Facts, Logic, and Respect (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/69776129)
(17) Hope and Fear: Modern Myths, Conspiracy Theories and Pseudo History (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59095232)
(18) Impossible Knowledge: Conspiracy Theories, Power, and Truth (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42524472-impossible-knowledge)
(19) Off the Edge: Flat Earthers, Conspiracy Culture, and Why People Will Believe Anything (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56437694)
(20) Suspicious Minds: Why We Believe Conspiracy Theories (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23848322)
(21) The Anatomy of Deception: Conspiracy Theories, Distrust, and Public Health in America (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/197812276)
(22) The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/995796)
(23) The Nature of Conspiracy Theories (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53236264)
(24) The Psychology of Conspiracy Theories (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38366098)
(25) The Social Psychology of Gullibility: Conspiracy Theories, Fake News and Irrational Beliefs (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43151730)
(26) The United States of Paranoia: A Conspiracy Theory (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17331306)
(27) They Knew: How a Culture of Conspiracy Keeps America Complacent (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59808707)
(28) Voodoo Histories: The Role of the Conspiracy Theory in Shaping Modern History (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7668651)
(29) Weaponizing Conspiracy Theories (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/208489516)
(30) Awful Archives: Conspiracy Theory, Rhetoric, and Acts of Evidence (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/52371630)
Oh thank you Maestro. Do you think we don't read books MR Chokaski. Fuck off.
This is how stupid you are Jenny Stokes - that you believe one can have Long Covid without having Covid - yes I remember that comment. (If I find the comment, I will link it here). Does your stupid and insecurity have NO lower bounds? How low can you sink Jenny Stokes?
You like to leave your 'droppings' (your comments) within a certain time range all over the place and then run away LIKE THE COWARD you are and never respond when challenged.
Seriously, you desperately need 'professional help' - go seek it instead of bothering other people.
Also, while you're at it - LEARN TO READ. Then work on your READING COMPREHENSION skills. I dare you.
Okay, now I know you're a recruit in a boiler room in Bethesda. Yap yap yap....NSA
He is a glowie for sure. These fucking ops and AI, its time to go low tech and begin the conversations in non digital places, that way when we spot the op, we can block their comments the old fashioned way.