So…they’re not blaming Muslims are they? That’s a win for me. Perhaps Democrats and Republicans can sort it out amongst themselves and burn the country to the ground and save the world from their evilness
Well not yet. They will come up with some BS blaming all Muslims and Islam soon. US fascists always do. They will claim that the shooter was or Palestinian transgender or pro-Palestinian Iranian "terrorist" of course.
Pure speculation at this point, at least from the early going immediately after the assassination. But yes, the fact that this person is still on the lam speaks to a coordinated effort by more than one individual, and possibly state-level assistance (cough, cough. Mossad, CIA...).
I read that it was actually much easier than people assume. That is a tiny town in Utah and security was incredibly lax (understandable, given we're talking about a few thousand people gathered to watch some middling influencers "debate" each other). There wasn't much standing in the way of a quick getaway, and the fact that the shooter took the risk of carrying the gun with him during the escape rather than leave it behind like a trained/prepared sniper would do makes it even more apparent how easy it really was.
You still have to account for being in a large crowd. Reality on the spot. Had to get in position watching your back and be thinking about your escape. Takes a lot of nerves beyond learning at a firing range.
You do have to shoot with the rifle hundreds of rounds to get that good with heart pounding, unexpected positions. I heard two minutes of Kirk and I never bothered to read or listen to him any more. I have no time for people like that. Caitlin is one of my heroes of truth. I still have my 22 ha. Maybe I should clean it ride down to the local hardware store with it over my shoulder and buy a 500 box, then ride to an outdoor range like it's 1966 ha. Yes, I'm old. Funny no one ever stopped and said what are you doing kid. Then I graduated to building my own rockets, curtsy of a kindly Librarian allowing me into the adult section ha. 1/3 Sulfur, 1/3 Salt Peter, 1/3 Charcoal hahaha.
Anarchy is NOT about killing. Anarchy by definition means WITHOUT hierarchial government. That anyone who fights for freedom from a cartel of government is labeled Anarchist is propaganda. Also anyone who expects a cartel of parasitical thieves called government to end their evil peacefully is foolishly naive.
really? Maybe one in a hundred? There are virtually no examples, while they are a trainload of examples of rightwing murders--mostly in uniform but sometimes mass shooters and assassins
I've watched two assassination attempts on our president. I've watched as extremists throw fits when you acknowledge male and female citizens (ltrans shooters WAY out of proportion). I've watched as riots engulf our nation. I've watched Democrats chant "Russia, Russia Russia" trying to gin up anger, hate and violence - using false propaganda and fake "news". Try to understand that there are many perspectives other than being a "victim".
interesting. You don't live on the same planet as me. I am aware of one supposed assassination attempt, and a lot of shootings that almost invariably involved rightwing, white male shooters
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Gun toting trans aren't "the left" and none of the previous mass shootings have been political in nature. A rich guy went to NYC to murder another rich guy health exec and a Palestinian activist shot some Israelis at an embassy/museum in DC in response to a mass murder they are currently still carrying out. I might give you Mangioni, but it's much more about bottom vs. top. The bottom is rising up against the elites rather than the left "killing and murdering" to further some political message/policy.
Stop displaying hate, simmer down and think. Gain perspective knowing that you are 1 in 100. Think about the 99 other people you refuse to acknowledge. Arming people with anger and ignorance is not a solution. Stop the hate, stop the anger and gain perspective. Don't ignore the trans-shooters, the racial shooters, and community anger that destroyed Berkley, MO, St. Louis, MO, Oakland CA, etc.... Gun ownership is secondary to the hate from people like Tom.
Racially motivated murder? More like schizophrenia motivated murder.
If he was previously diagnosed as schizophrenic, with a history of violence, then the failure lies entirely with the system that put him out on the street with no supervision and no mechanism to force him to take his anti-psychotics. He should avoid the death penalty precisely because legally, he is not responsible for his actions. He was ‘out of his mind’, that is not in control of his actions.
Schizophrenics are about 100x more likely to commit murder than non-schizophrenics. Something else the liberals want to hide from us. If that dipshit judge didn’t know that, then she had no business being on the bench. And this has nothing to do with the race of either the judge or the schizophrenic man, white schizophrenics are also 100x more likely to commit murder. If race was an issue, it was only to the degree that the judge put a crazy person back out on the street because he was black.
Not an assassination, but a false flag operation to demonise left wing activists so the fascists could claim to be patriots protecting the fatherland, when in fact they started the fire that they blamed van der Lubbe for.
I'm not familiar with the Wessel murder you mention I'm afraid.
Reichstag fire moment for the 21st century? False flag incident, blame the 'left', use the uproar to cement authoritarian power. That's literally the playbook from 1933 Germany to bring Hitler to the Chancellor role
Not necessarily saying that happened in this case but it's 100% fact that was the situation with Hitler becoming Chancellor: sabotage, blame, then fuhrer. "Was it a professional sniper?" and 'who paid them?' would be my first questions. The 'radical left' got blamed long before any thorough investigation could feasibly have been completed
Wow, this piece is a great example of how politics can make people say and do inhumane things. You don't know this man personally, but you are keen to call him a "piece of shit" because he bought into the Zionists propaganda that Israel is defending itself and not committing genocide. Many people buy into this propaganda, even people on the left, but that doesn't make them turds.
These are real human beings just like the real human beings in Palestine being murdered. I shouldn't have to say this, but hate begets hate. Kirk left behind a loving and caring family and I am sure his little children didn't think that he was a piece of shit of a human being because of his political views.
I know many kind people that support Israel because they buy into this bullshit. What about you Caitlin? Do you buy into the bullshit that the covid pandemic was real? As bad as the genocide in Palestine is, what's worse is the complete all out war on humanity that was launched with the roll out of these death shots.
even if he wasn't spouting zio talking points, have you not heard of literally any other opinion he's had?? most importantly what he's said about kids in relation to the 2nd ammendment??? anyone who says shit like that about literal children is a piece of shit and idk why you have the time to waste defending a dead man who left behind really nothing good throughout the entirety of his pathetic, hate-filled career.
Please enlighten me. What did he say about kids in relation to the second amendment? Please also provide some quotes and references that clearly show that this man was hateful.
Are you going to go through life insisting other people do your work? Are you really that lazy and incompetent? I have neither the interest nor the responsibility to educate, much less prove anything to you. Especially when you resist educating yourself. In addition, you’re dishonest, having misrepresented what’s been stated.
How exactly am I being dishonest Nancy? You could have provided me with at least one or two links with all the time you have spent in bothering to respond to me with your unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks.
Charlie Kirk, in 2023, ironically said: "It's worth to have, unfortunately, some gun deaths every year, because at least we can keep the second amendment"
In one post he stated the names of several prominent Black women, claiming they ONLY achieved their positions because of Affirmative Action and otherwise hadn’t the “brains” to accomplish what they did.
I love it when posters demand that others prove things to them that are all over the web. Do your own research before you cast doubts about accuracy. We all have a responsibility to educate ourselves. The same can be said about Gaza.
They’re real pieces of work Nancy, ain’t they just? How in hell am I supposed to remember where/when I read that comment attributed to Kirk?
Once in a discussion about slavery, some ass asked me to provide a “link”…my replywas that I’ve literally read hundreds of real, actual BOOKS on the US Civil War and related subjects such as slavery.
I agree, gypsy. I was once challenged by another commenter on a NYT’s article about some Jewish students feeling “uncomfortable” during the anti-genocide protests at Columbia by pointing point
out that the only students to have actually have been physically assaulted during the protests were pro-Palestinian. I repeated what I had read in a number of articles about several students having been hospitalized after being sprayed at close range with a chemical used in war by a number of IDF members who were also students at the university. The commenter accused me of making it up and said she wouldn’t believe it without citations. I responded that I had first seen the story reported on the front page of the NYT, the very paper in which we were commenting.
I didn’t say you did. (That’s a different and deflecting point). I’m challenging you to educate yourself about information you questioned. It’s your responsibility.
I have and there isn't anything that I have stumbled on that has convinced me that he was an inherently hateful person, so here I am asking for some references. So far I have received 0 links.
"Many people buy into this (Zionist) propaganda, even people on the left, but that doesn't make them turds." - It absolutely does.
"Kirk left behind a loving and caring family and I am sure his little children didn't think that he was a piece of shit of a human being because of his political views." - They absolutely should.
"I know many kind people that support Israel" -They absolutely can't be. No 'kind' person could support genocide, ethnic cleansing, and such sadistic Israeli 'sports' as shooting teenagers in the genitals and starving babies to death. No decent person either.
"Do you buy into the bullshit that the covid pandemic was real?" - Dummold Turmp does.
- Charlie Kirk was a supporter of Israel - He was described by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday as a "lion-hearted friend of Israel."
There is so much PURE EVIL about this person - do your own research. Some linkes ->
So he is inherently evil because he supports Israel? Do you know assanine that is? Do you not realize that the vast majority of people who support Zionism and Israel are completely brainwashed by western propaganda?
My in laws support Israel because they watch the mainstream media. Does that make them pieces of shit? No. It makes them brainwashed sheeple.
Sure, there is a difference. Are you saying that Charlie Kirk is 'brainwashed by Western propaganda'? Are you suggesting that Charlie Kirk is naive and a stupid fool? I doubt it. I think Charlie Kirk is smart enough (and articulate enough) to know the difference.
And it's not just his support of Israel, Zionism, and the Genocide that makes him evil. That's just the icing on top of the cake. The 'whole cake' is EVIL. But then again, if you're in a conservative right-wing 'echo-chamber', then you obviously haven't come across the plethora of information that damns him.
I don't know anything about him. Was his family life loving and caring? Maybe. But it's just an assumption. And hardly anyone cared but them when he was alive. But it seems like jumping to assumptions is your thing regarding a lot of stuff.
What assumptions am I jumping to exactly? It seems to me that most of the people here who supposedly care about human rights because of their die hard defense of Palestine do not see the hypocrisy of celebrating the death of another human being.
Highly disingenuous virtue signaling take. How about: "Most of the people here who care about human rights also understand math, and that a single person was murdered sparking massive, outsize media attention, while the Israelis with American support murder dozens or hundreds every single day through assassination and starvation and nobody is flying flags at half staff or writing long hagiographic obituaries for any of them."
I applaud and admire you stating such, I have my own political views, but if our humanity can not transcend our hatred of each-other`s political views , we are no longer human.
I`ve come to understand that my prospective of the world, is born of my ignorance not whatever knowledge, facts nor logic which I fancy I reason, for there so much more I do not know, do not understand, have yet to comprehend, ... alas I know I know nothing - Socrates
I wish you and the right had reacted like this when a christian nationalist went on a rampage in Minnesota back in june against zionist dem state reps.....
I heartily support your POV, but good luck with that.
Many people believe it is always possible to know absolute, unimpeachable truth, not just normatively but positively, and with that, *some* think they can then just run with it ... all the way to justifying murder-for-justice. It doesn't matter whether Zionist, woke, anti-abortion, capitalism, or really any other belief set.
We need instead to have eternal humility, as humans are unavoidably limited and imperfect.
Have you seen the comments that Charlie was starting to wake up to the possibility that Israel may not be the best state to cheerlead for? And that he was a possible future President? Netanyahu being among the first to tweet about it is certainly suspicious don't you think?
Yes. Kirk became arguably expendable because he got himself in too visible/important a position to become squeamish about supporting Israel.
The problem is not capitalism, billionaires, whites, etc. The problem is the eventual takeover of *every* system by psychopaths -- especially those in government.
As much as I respect your views, Caitlin, I disagree with the concept that any person is a "piece of shit." All life is valuable, and that it's possible to disagree, while still continuing to recognize our common humanity. That failure has led us to our current situation. Recognition is the only thing that has a chance to save our species from extinction.
Plenty of piece of shit humans. Doesn’t mean they don’t have the capacity to evolve into something other than that.
One of the big reasons liberals have contributed to the current clusterf*ck is a complete confusion when it comes to tolerance and truth telling, and which is more important.
Agree and at this moment in time it is very important that we hold on to that Hope - we need to believe in the best of humanity right now and hold it steady. Yes there bad actors "Hell is empty and all the devil's are here" as Shakespeare once said, that doesn't we all have to lose our shit and behave and speak like ignorant teenagers. We need to find the middle ground. We have no idea what just happened.
There is no "middle ground" with Nazis, Zionists, and other pathological ideologies and their psychopathic leaders. The liberals preach this "middle ground" stuff all the time and it has always led to a brutal, authoritarian take-over. Mostly the liberals are fairly well-off and don't want their comfort disturbed and have the mistaken believe that the psychopaths will leave them alone if they apologize on their behalf.
What happened is, more than likely, a false flag event meant to justify a leap forward for fascism. If it was a real leftist intervention, as Caitlin said, no tears here, I'll reserve them for the truly innocent people of Gaza.
You have no clue what it was Ron - Zero. And personally I’m sick of labels. A man was murdered. I’ve lived in many countries and know people from all walks of life, what leads to authortarian takeovers is ignorance - that is why they go after universities, Lawyers, Doctors et Quit generalizing about other people and maybe start trying to get to know them - even the ones you disagree with.
I don't know what it was, that's why I said "more than likely". You may be sick of labels and if that's a comfort to your liberal proclivities, all well for you. But what do you call the person, the nation, the ideology that comes to shred or starve your child. What do you call the person who says elementary school children are necessary sacrifices to protect the "God given" right to bear arms, when sick teenager comes to your child's school? What do you call someone who encourages people to take up arms against your transgender child? If you won't "label" them, how do you deal with them?
good point - on a bad day i would definitely call him a monster. And I’m definitely a liberal but not the kind you think. I would just ask that in the wake of a man being murdered, a man who was extreme in his point of view. Maybe we should soften just a little and remember that Charlie Kirke was ignorant, he dropped out of college, he had an extreme point of view which he believed in. He could have changed and imagine his energy if it got behind something good. There is always a chance for redemption - even in the monsters. He has children.
So, is that reason to cheer his death? What of the millions who followed him, agreed with him, shall we cheer for their deaths also? Or perhaps might those who disagree with whatever views Kirk had, work harder and share their own better arguments. Or shall we simply give up on each other because of how we happen to see the world through our particular pinhole
>>"I disagree with the concept that any person is a "piece of shit.""
SHAME ON YOU, Joy in HK. You should do your research on someone before you opine (and virtue signal).
The idea that he championed free speech and liberty is absurd. He was an enemy of both.
Kirk, who was a cheerleader for the cult of Trump, embodied the hypermasculinity that is at the core of fascist movements. This was perhaps his primary attraction to youth, especially white men. He claimed there is “a war on men,” fetishized guns and sold Trump to his followers as a man’s man.
Kirk was a poster child for our emergent Christian Fascism. He peddled the Great Replacement Theory, which claims liberals or “globalists” allow immigrants of color into the country in order to replace whites, distorting immigration trends into conspiracy. He was Islamophobic, tweeting “Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America,” and that it is “not compatible with western civilization.”
He demanded we roll back the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and disparaged civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King. He was demeaning towards Black people, “If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman...is she there because of affirmative action?” He said “prowling Blacks” are targeting white people “for fun.” He blamed Black Lives Matter for “destroying the fabric of our society."
Kirk insisted the 2020 election was stolen from Trump. He founded Professor Watchlist and School Board Watchlist to purge professors and teachers with what he called “radical leftist” agendas. He advocated televised public executions which he insisted should be mandatory viewing for children.
And this does not even cover 10% of the PURE EVIL that was Charlie Kirk. He was no better than the likes of Netanyahu or Trump.
Psychopaths and sociopaths should NOT be elevated to the level of 'normal' human beings - that would be an INSULT to ALL normal human beings.
Count me as one who doesn't understand the "piece of shit" comment. Like, at all. Even though I have seen it here and there.
We can disagree with each other but be civil.
And he may not have understood how evil Israel's military and government are until his dying day, but there were signs that he was trying, as some comments have reflected.
Regardless, I don't call you a "piece of shit," Ms. Johnstone, because you mistakenly hold out some hope for socialism.
(I mean, why the heck would you still? Makes no sense.)
Maybe some people do call you a "piece of shit." But if they do, it helps nobody and nothing and is indeed detrimental.
And in fact I respect the heck out of your writing most of the time.
The wrong tone, Caitlin, in my opinion. Charlie Kirk was not “a piece of shit”: nobody is, I venture to say. He is (was) one of millions of “nice people” who, for reasons of background, upbringing, education and personal “instincts,” has (had) abhorrent ideas. He also had a wife and two young children; are they also “pieces of shit” for, presumably, loving him? His repugnant ideas are (were) either a reflection of the ideas of millions of others or are reflected in them; are they all “pieces of shit”?
He is dead, he was assassinated, murdered. His appalling voice is still, to be followed, hardly without doubt, by others equally appalling—or even more so. But one can be completely opposed to someone’s ideas and actions while not condoning his assassination, while withholding, at least momentarily, one’s simplistic labeling of another human being, at least on a public forum. Privately we all call those we don’t like “pieces of shit,” while realizing that we may be so called ourselves. In private such reactions are understandable; in public one, I think, could be more circumspect.
Kirk, a man who would do/say anything and hurt anyone to attain power/money, is part of an elite group of psychopaths who will never give you, me or others that possess basic human empathy even a moment of respect. Kirk is on record expressing contempt for the very concept of empathy!
These people are the enemies of human dignity and as such deserve nothing but our disdain. You don't have to revel in the murder of these people, but neither do you need to lament it.
What an ineffective way to view life and the world. You can hold the belief that someone is a piece of shit and still believe in the sanctity of life. They are not mutually exclusive. Ego is what makes them seem opposed.
I read a perspective article by Council estate media this morning. Worth reading. Interested in anybody’s thoughts on it. Thank you Caitlin for your continued support for the wretched of the earth.
So…they’re not blaming Muslims are they? That’s a win for me. Perhaps Democrats and Republicans can sort it out amongst themselves and burn the country to the ground and save the world from their evilness
Well not yet. They will come up with some BS blaming all Muslims and Islam soon. US fascists always do. They will claim that the shooter was or Palestinian transgender or pro-Palestinian Iranian "terrorist" of course.
If a Muslim could shoot like that, they would have taken out Satanyahu long time
An average shooter couldn’t hit their target from 200 yards out
It's the escape that's most impressive. Had to have extensive planning and knowledge.
Several people would have had to be involved in a successful escape. This was a joint caper, not a "lone gunman."
Pure speculation at this point, at least from the early going immediately after the assassination. But yes, the fact that this person is still on the lam speaks to a coordinated effort by more than one individual, and possibly state-level assistance (cough, cough. Mossad, CIA...).
Maybe he/she was let escape?
I read that it was actually much easier than people assume. That is a tiny town in Utah and security was incredibly lax (understandable, given we're talking about a few thousand people gathered to watch some middling influencers "debate" each other). There wasn't much standing in the way of a quick getaway, and the fact that the shooter took the risk of carrying the gun with him during the escape rather than leave it behind like a trained/prepared sniper would do makes it even more apparent how easy it really was.
Totally.
You still have to account for being in a large crowd. Reality on the spot. Had to get in position watching your back and be thinking about your escape. Takes a lot of nerves beyond learning at a firing range.
Several people noticed the person on the roof and questioned it but as usual near by law enforcement saw nothing suspicious
True having been a target shooter. This was impressive shooting. I think that is why people are thinking Mossad, evil and experience.
Hi Landru
Not necessarily. Many civilians are extraordinarily talented with weapons.
My niece, for example, is able to hit a target from 3/4 mile away with her AR13.
And no, she didn’t do it 😉
You do have to shoot with the rifle hundreds of rounds to get that good with heart pounding, unexpected positions. I heard two minutes of Kirk and I never bothered to read or listen to him any more. I have no time for people like that. Caitlin is one of my heroes of truth. I still have my 22 ha. Maybe I should clean it ride down to the local hardware store with it over my shoulder and buy a 500 box, then ride to an outdoor range like it's 1966 ha. Yes, I'm old. Funny no one ever stopped and said what are you doing kid. Then I graduated to building my own rockets, curtsy of a kindly Librarian allowing me into the adult section ha. 1/3 Sulfur, 1/3 Salt Peter, 1/3 Charcoal hahaha.
The far right pundits were calling for rounding up all political opponents before he was even declared deceased. This isn't about the truth.
It's the left that is killing and murdering these days. I can read it in your comments.
You're out of your mind with empathy
I'm against killing people. Try it, instead of anarchy.
Anarchy is NOT about killing. Anarchy by definition means WITHOUT hierarchial government. That anyone who fights for freedom from a cartel of government is labeled Anarchist is propaganda. Also anyone who expects a cartel of parasitical thieves called government to end their evil peacefully is foolishly naive.
really? Maybe one in a hundred? There are virtually no examples, while they are a trainload of examples of rightwing murders--mostly in uniform but sometimes mass shooters and assassins
I've watched two assassination attempts on our president. I've watched as extremists throw fits when you acknowledge male and female citizens (ltrans shooters WAY out of proportion). I've watched as riots engulf our nation. I've watched Democrats chant "Russia, Russia Russia" trying to gin up anger, hate and violence - using false propaganda and fake "news". Try to understand that there are many perspectives other than being a "victim".
interesting. You don't live on the same planet as me. I am aware of one supposed assassination attempt, and a lot of shootings that almost invariably involved rightwing, white male shooters
how many days are you counting? don't be daft, it's not even close
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Gun toting trans aren't "the left" and none of the previous mass shootings have been political in nature. A rich guy went to NYC to murder another rich guy health exec and a Palestinian activist shot some Israelis at an embassy/museum in DC in response to a mass murder they are currently still carrying out. I might give you Mangioni, but it's much more about bottom vs. top. The bottom is rising up against the elites rather than the left "killing and murdering" to further some political message/policy.
Stop displaying hate, simmer down and think. Gain perspective knowing that you are 1 in 100. Think about the 99 other people you refuse to acknowledge. Arming people with anger and ignorance is not a solution. Stop the hate, stop the anger and gain perspective. Don't ignore the trans-shooters, the racial shooters, and community anger that destroyed Berkley, MO, St. Louis, MO, Oakland CA, etc.... Gun ownership is secondary to the hate from people like Tom.
Notice the extremism? Probably works at Queerty pushing division and hate.
This was a planned professional hit job as being talked about on YouTube
Along with the racially motivated murder earlier this week — with both being extremely graphic for billions to see— we need to be careful and be on guard: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-charlie-kirk-assassination
Racially motivated murder? More like schizophrenia motivated murder.
If he was previously diagnosed as schizophrenic, with a history of violence, then the failure lies entirely with the system that put him out on the street with no supervision and no mechanism to force him to take his anti-psychotics. He should avoid the death penalty precisely because legally, he is not responsible for his actions. He was ‘out of his mind’, that is not in control of his actions.
Schizophrenics are about 100x more likely to commit murder than non-schizophrenics. Something else the liberals want to hide from us. If that dipshit judge didn’t know that, then she had no business being on the bench. And this has nothing to do with the race of either the judge or the schizophrenic man, white schizophrenics are also 100x more likely to commit murder. If race was an issue, it was only to the degree that the judge put a crazy person back out on the street because he was black.
Mossad most likely, they have the murder assassination down.
Read "JFK and the Unspeakable" to see how they do have that assassination thing down cold.
A white person killed oh dear!
Jenny! 👍👍👍
Gypsy.xxx
You've lost me - I'm thinking about similarities to a famous false flag operation run by fascists. What's that got to do with Charlie Kirk's race?
Horst Wessel is what you might be thinking of... A young Hitler youth assassinated early on in Hitler's career. They named a ship after him.
I was thinking of this incident:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
Not an assassination, but a false flag operation to demonise left wing activists so the fascists could claim to be patriots protecting the fatherland, when in fact they started the fire that they blamed van der Lubbe for.
I'm not familiar with the Wessel murder you mention I'm afraid.
Here's an article on him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
They even wrote a song about young martyred Horst and it became the Nazis' anthem!
I am surprised, and sadden to see you post this
Are you trying to say the deaths of whites are overhyped? Because the corporate media didn't have much to say about the murder of that Ukraine women
I hope this is irony!
Reichstag fire moment for the 21st century? False flag incident, blame the 'left', use the uproar to cement authoritarian power. That's literally the playbook from 1933 Germany to bring Hitler to the Chancellor role
Check yourself before you wreck you good name, Ted.
Not necessarily saying that happened in this case but it's 100% fact that was the situation with Hitler becoming Chancellor: sabotage, blame, then fuhrer. "Was it a professional sniper?" and 'who paid them?' would be my first questions. The 'radical left' got blamed long before any thorough investigation could feasibly have been completed
Today is 9/11
11 days before 9/22.
It was on 9/22/2023, as you remember, that Netanyahu went before the world body
and in a speech in which he pretended to promote peace
wiped Palestine from the map.
Never forget 9/22
9 days later, Oct 1st, Zio settlers began invading
and defiling
the al Aqsa mosque.
They did this day after day after day
until the Palestinians responded with resistance.
Never forget 9/22
Wow, this piece is a great example of how politics can make people say and do inhumane things. You don't know this man personally, but you are keen to call him a "piece of shit" because he bought into the Zionists propaganda that Israel is defending itself and not committing genocide. Many people buy into this propaganda, even people on the left, but that doesn't make them turds.
These are real human beings just like the real human beings in Palestine being murdered. I shouldn't have to say this, but hate begets hate. Kirk left behind a loving and caring family and I am sure his little children didn't think that he was a piece of shit of a human being because of his political views.
I know many kind people that support Israel because they buy into this bullshit. What about you Caitlin? Do you buy into the bullshit that the covid pandemic was real? As bad as the genocide in Palestine is, what's worse is the complete all out war on humanity that was launched with the roll out of these death shots.
even if he wasn't spouting zio talking points, have you not heard of literally any other opinion he's had?? most importantly what he's said about kids in relation to the 2nd ammendment??? anyone who says shit like that about literal children is a piece of shit and idk why you have the time to waste defending a dead man who left behind really nothing good throughout the entirety of his pathetic, hate-filled career.
Please enlighten me. What did he say about kids in relation to the second amendment? Please also provide some quotes and references that clearly show that this man was hateful.
Begone troll
Good chat. I love how people make unsubstantiated claims to justify their stance.
Are you going to go through life insisting other people do your work? Are you really that lazy and incompetent? I have neither the interest nor the responsibility to educate, much less prove anything to you. Especially when you resist educating yourself. In addition, you’re dishonest, having misrepresented what’s been stated.
How exactly am I being dishonest Nancy? You could have provided me with at least one or two links with all the time you have spent in bothering to respond to me with your unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks.
Charlie Kirk, in 2023, ironically said: "It's worth to have, unfortunately, some gun deaths every year, because at least we can keep the second amendment"
He was a piece of shit !
Based on what exactly?
the reactions of the other certified pieces of shit is a pretty good indicator.
He openly advocated for the death and rape of people like me.
So fuck off
Links and references please.
If you weren't a bot you'd already know.
Vee, ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTIN’ ME?
In one post he stated the names of several prominent Black women, claiming they ONLY achieved their positions because of Affirmative Action and otherwise hadn’t the “brains” to accomplish what they did.
Who needs societal members like that? 🤬
Please provide links and references.
I love it when posters demand that others prove things to them that are all over the web. Do your own research before you cast doubts about accuracy. We all have a responsibility to educate ourselves. The same can be said about Gaza.
They’re real pieces of work Nancy, ain’t they just? How in hell am I supposed to remember where/when I read that comment attributed to Kirk?
Once in a discussion about slavery, some ass asked me to provide a “link”…my replywas that I’ve literally read hundreds of real, actual BOOKS on the US Civil War and related subjects such as slavery.
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I agree, gypsy. I was once challenged by another commenter on a NYT’s article about some Jewish students feeling “uncomfortable” during the anti-genocide protests at Columbia by pointing point
out that the only students to have actually have been physically assaulted during the protests were pro-Palestinian. I repeated what I had read in a number of articles about several students having been hospitalized after being sprayed at close range with a chemical used in war by a number of IDF members who were also students at the university. The commenter accused me of making it up and said she wouldn’t believe it without citations. I responded that I had first seen the story reported on the front page of the NYT, the very paper in which we were commenting.
I'm not the one cheering on the death of another human being.
I didn’t say you did. (That’s a different and deflecting point). I’m challenging you to educate yourself about information you questioned. It’s your responsibility.
"you wanna talk about mass shootings? Oh you mean all those colored people that kill each other ;p?" - Charlie Kirk ca. 2023
I have and there isn't anything that I have stumbled on that has convinced me that he was an inherently hateful person, so here I am asking for some references. So far I have received 0 links.
I ain’t your fuckin’ library.
Good chat.
Kamala Harris. Not a single primary vote and she was escalated to the top.
Why don't you look for them yourself instead of presuming that you're being lied to?
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=charlie+kirk+hateful+quotes
Without knowing the people he mentioned, we cannot say it's true or not. It does happen
"Many people buy into this (Zionist) propaganda, even people on the left, but that doesn't make them turds." - It absolutely does.
"Kirk left behind a loving and caring family and I am sure his little children didn't think that he was a piece of shit of a human being because of his political views." - They absolutely should.
"I know many kind people that support Israel" -They absolutely can't be. No 'kind' person could support genocide, ethnic cleansing, and such sadistic Israeli 'sports' as shooting teenagers in the genitals and starving babies to death. No decent person either.
"Do you buy into the bullshit that the covid pandemic was real?" - Dummold Turmp does.
100%
>>"CHARLIE KIRK: 'I stand with Israel'"
Enough said. Calling him a 'piece of shit' is a euphemism. He was orders of magnitude worse than that.
Some more stuff about him ->
- On July 28, 2025, Kirk posted a video on X saying "No, Israel is not starving Gazans," (https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1949908699411288130)
- Charlie Kirk was a supporter of Israel - He was described by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday as a "lion-hearted friend of Israel."
There is so much PURE EVIL about this person - do your own research. Some linkes ->
https://vinnews.com/2025/09/10/charlie-kirk-a-pro-israel-conservative-voice-in-american-politics/
The word 'evil' doesn't even begin to describe Charlie Kirk...
So he is inherently evil because he supports Israel? Do you know assanine that is? Do you not realize that the vast majority of people who support Zionism and Israel are completely brainwashed by western propaganda?
My in laws support Israel because they watch the mainstream media. Does that make them pieces of shit? No. It makes them brainwashed sheeple.
There is a difference.
>>"There is a difference."
Sure, there is a difference. Are you saying that Charlie Kirk is 'brainwashed by Western propaganda'? Are you suggesting that Charlie Kirk is naive and a stupid fool? I doubt it. I think Charlie Kirk is smart enough (and articulate enough) to know the difference.
And it's not just his support of Israel, Zionism, and the Genocide that makes him evil. That's just the icing on top of the cake. The 'whole cake' is EVIL. But then again, if you're in a conservative right-wing 'echo-chamber', then you obviously haven't come across the plethora of information that damns him.
Where is the difference between brainwashed and evil.
speaking as someone who was once a turd (and probably still am), that guy was a latrine full of shite
I don't know anything about him. Was his family life loving and caring? Maybe. But it's just an assumption. And hardly anyone cared but them when he was alive. But it seems like jumping to assumptions is your thing regarding a lot of stuff.
What assumptions am I jumping to exactly? It seems to me that most of the people here who supposedly care about human rights because of their die hard defense of Palestine do not see the hypocrisy of celebrating the death of another human being.
A hundred Charlie Kirks would not equal a single Gazan baby murdered by Israel (and its supporters).
Is Netanyahu a human being. Should we feel sorry or happy when he dies or is killed?
Highly disingenuous virtue signaling take. How about: "Most of the people here who care about human rights also understand math, and that a single person was murdered sparking massive, outsize media attention, while the Israelis with American support murder dozens or hundreds every single day through assassination and starvation and nobody is flying flags at half staff or writing long hagiographic obituaries for any of them."
I applaud and admire you stating such, I have my own political views, but if our humanity can not transcend our hatred of each-other`s political views , we are no longer human.
I`ve come to understand that my prospective of the world, is born of my ignorance not whatever knowledge, facts nor logic which I fancy I reason, for there so much more I do not know, do not understand, have yet to comprehend, ... alas I know I know nothing - Socrates
I wish you and the right had reacted like this when a christian nationalist went on a rampage in Minnesota back in june against zionist dem state reps.....
I heartily support your POV, but good luck with that.
Many people believe it is always possible to know absolute, unimpeachable truth, not just normatively but positively, and with that, *some* think they can then just run with it ... all the way to justifying murder-for-justice. It doesn't matter whether Zionist, woke, anti-abortion, capitalism, or really any other belief set.
We need instead to have eternal humility, as humans are unavoidably limited and imperfect.
Israel is a Terrorist State. Who's Next is a great album. We Won't be Fooled Again a great song. Listen to the music all. Free Palestine.
Have you seen the comments that Charlie was starting to wake up to the possibility that Israel may not be the best state to cheerlead for? And that he was a possible future President? Netanyahu being among the first to tweet about it is certainly suspicious don't you think?
The murder of Charlie Kirk is wrong, wrong, wrong!
It is also counterproductive.
Because it is counterproductive to the anti-Genocide side
then it is productive to the pro-Genocide side.
Watch out!
Trump thus has an increased mandate to come down hard on the anti-Genocide side.
And the pro-Genocide side knew this *before* Charlie Kirk was shot.
Always ask who benefits.
The first line of your argument presupposes that there are murders which are just?
Yes. Kirk became arguably expendable because he got himself in too visible/important a position to become squeamish about supporting Israel.
The problem is not capitalism, billionaires, whites, etc. The problem is the eventual takeover of *every* system by psychopaths -- especially those in government.
"Charlie Kirk Dares to Question October 7th attack on Israel"
Apparently from 2 months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsXt8RodpGc
I wrote down what he said in this video in case this video
"disappears".
Charlie Kirk:
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"...We don't talk about Israeli politics very often and most Americans
don't know this. The last nine months Israel was on the brink of
civil war. It is not an exaggeration, this judicial stuff, there
were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets
because Bibi Netanyahu was basically redefining the Israeli
constitution, that's not an exaggeration right?
There were protests planned this week against Netanyahu
where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets.
That's all gone.
Netanyahu now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead.
I think some questions need to be asked.
Was there a stand down order?
'Six hours', I don't believe it.
Israel's the size of New Jersey.
When I took a helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border
it's 45 minutes.
'Six hours', they're live streaming the killing of Jews.
Did somebody in the government say stand down?
That is a legitimate non conspiracy question."
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Nope. Wrong again. Charlie Kirk was a fascist, a racist, a white supremacist, and worse.
https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/the-martyrdom-of-charlie-kirk
As much as I respect your views, Caitlin, I disagree with the concept that any person is a "piece of shit." All life is valuable, and that it's possible to disagree, while still continuing to recognize our common humanity. That failure has led us to our current situation. Recognition is the only thing that has a chance to save our species from extinction.
Plenty of piece of shit humans. Doesn’t mean they don’t have the capacity to evolve into something other than that.
One of the big reasons liberals have contributed to the current clusterf*ck is a complete confusion when it comes to tolerance and truth telling, and which is more important.
Agree and at this moment in time it is very important that we hold on to that Hope - we need to believe in the best of humanity right now and hold it steady. Yes there bad actors "Hell is empty and all the devil's are here" as Shakespeare once said, that doesn't we all have to lose our shit and behave and speak like ignorant teenagers. We need to find the middle ground. We have no idea what just happened.
There is no "middle ground" with Nazis, Zionists, and other pathological ideologies and their psychopathic leaders. The liberals preach this "middle ground" stuff all the time and it has always led to a brutal, authoritarian take-over. Mostly the liberals are fairly well-off and don't want their comfort disturbed and have the mistaken believe that the psychopaths will leave them alone if they apologize on their behalf.
What happened is, more than likely, a false flag event meant to justify a leap forward for fascism. If it was a real leftist intervention, as Caitlin said, no tears here, I'll reserve them for the truly innocent people of Gaza.
You have no clue what it was Ron - Zero. And personally I’m sick of labels. A man was murdered. I’ve lived in many countries and know people from all walks of life, what leads to authortarian takeovers is ignorance - that is why they go after universities, Lawyers, Doctors et Quit generalizing about other people and maybe start trying to get to know them - even the ones you disagree with.
I don't know what it was, that's why I said "more than likely". You may be sick of labels and if that's a comfort to your liberal proclivities, all well for you. But what do you call the person, the nation, the ideology that comes to shred or starve your child. What do you call the person who says elementary school children are necessary sacrifices to protect the "God given" right to bear arms, when sick teenager comes to your child's school? What do you call someone who encourages people to take up arms against your transgender child? If you won't "label" them, how do you deal with them?
good point - on a bad day i would definitely call him a monster. And I’m definitely a liberal but not the kind you think. I would just ask that in the wake of a man being murdered, a man who was extreme in his point of view. Maybe we should soften just a little and remember that Charlie Kirke was ignorant, he dropped out of college, he had an extreme point of view which he believed in. He could have changed and imagine his energy if it got behind something good. There is always a chance for redemption - even in the monsters. He has children.
He literally spent his life telling you other people were pieces of shit.
So, is that reason to cheer his death? What of the millions who followed him, agreed with him, shall we cheer for their deaths also? Or perhaps might those who disagree with whatever views Kirk had, work harder and share their own better arguments. Or shall we simply give up on each other because of how we happen to see the world through our particular pinhole
as someone who is a piece of shit, I can confirm that guy was definitely an enormous log of poop and there's nothing wrong acknowledging it
Egyptians had it as their cosmology: a scarab beetle rolling a ball of dung, representing the universe.
Embrace being shit. Now focus on the task at hand. Roll with it.
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>>"I disagree with the concept that any person is a "piece of shit.""
SHAME ON YOU, Joy in HK. You should do your research on someone before you opine (and virtue signal).
The idea that he championed free speech and liberty is absurd. He was an enemy of both.
Kirk, who was a cheerleader for the cult of Trump, embodied the hypermasculinity that is at the core of fascist movements. This was perhaps his primary attraction to youth, especially white men. He claimed there is “a war on men,” fetishized guns and sold Trump to his followers as a man’s man.
Kirk was a poster child for our emergent Christian Fascism. He peddled the Great Replacement Theory, which claims liberals or “globalists” allow immigrants of color into the country in order to replace whites, distorting immigration trends into conspiracy. He was Islamophobic, tweeting “Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America,” and that it is “not compatible with western civilization.”
He demanded we roll back the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and disparaged civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King. He was demeaning towards Black people, “If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman...is she there because of affirmative action?” He said “prowling Blacks” are targeting white people “for fun.” He blamed Black Lives Matter for “destroying the fabric of our society."
Kirk insisted the 2020 election was stolen from Trump. He founded Professor Watchlist and School Board Watchlist to purge professors and teachers with what he called “radical leftist” agendas. He advocated televised public executions which he insisted should be mandatory viewing for children.
And this does not even cover 10% of the PURE EVIL that was Charlie Kirk. He was no better than the likes of Netanyahu or Trump.
Psychopaths and sociopaths should NOT be elevated to the level of 'normal' human beings - that would be an INSULT to ALL normal human beings.
Count me as one who doesn't understand the "piece of shit" comment. Like, at all. Even though I have seen it here and there.
We can disagree with each other but be civil.
And he may not have understood how evil Israel's military and government are until his dying day, but there were signs that he was trying, as some comments have reflected.
Regardless, I don't call you a "piece of shit," Ms. Johnstone, because you mistakenly hold out some hope for socialism.
(I mean, why the heck would you still? Makes no sense.)
Maybe some people do call you a "piece of shit." But if they do, it helps nobody and nothing and is indeed detrimental.
And in fact I respect the heck out of your writing most of the time.
Your both sides fallacy re. piece of shit here is laughable.
Keep assassinating people. Really Tom? It's not a solution.
The wrong tone, Caitlin, in my opinion. Charlie Kirk was not “a piece of shit”: nobody is, I venture to say. He is (was) one of millions of “nice people” who, for reasons of background, upbringing, education and personal “instincts,” has (had) abhorrent ideas. He also had a wife and two young children; are they also “pieces of shit” for, presumably, loving him? His repugnant ideas are (were) either a reflection of the ideas of millions of others or are reflected in them; are they all “pieces of shit”?
He is dead, he was assassinated, murdered. His appalling voice is still, to be followed, hardly without doubt, by others equally appalling—or even more so. But one can be completely opposed to someone’s ideas and actions while not condoning his assassination, while withholding, at least momentarily, one’s simplistic labeling of another human being, at least on a public forum. Privately we all call those we don’t like “pieces of shit,” while realizing that we may be so called ourselves. In private such reactions are understandable; in public one, I think, could be more circumspect.
Kirk, a man who would do/say anything and hurt anyone to attain power/money, is part of an elite group of psychopaths who will never give you, me or others that possess basic human empathy even a moment of respect. Kirk is on record expressing contempt for the very concept of empathy!
These people are the enemies of human dignity and as such deserve nothing but our disdain. You don't have to revel in the murder of these people, but neither do you need to lament it.
What an ineffective way to view life and the world. You can hold the belief that someone is a piece of shit and still believe in the sanctity of life. They are not mutually exclusive. Ego is what makes them seem opposed.
Thank You, Eugene!
I read a perspective article by Council estate media this morning. Worth reading. Interested in anybody’s thoughts on it. Thank you Caitlin for your continued support for the wretched of the earth.
I thought it was balanced. Did you watch the Twitter video he linked to with the two spooks doing baseball signals? Insane!
Well said Caitlin. Nothing to add.