I think the Deep state Killed Charlie Kirk. Either Mossad or the CIA or some part of the American government. I also now believe the Trump shooting was staged.
Charlie Kirk used to be a Israel loyalist. He feared that Israel would kill him if he started criticizing Israel, not much, but when you have sold your soul, even a bad word means you crossed the line. He let anti-zionists speak at his events. Someone shoots at his neck, and it wasn't your average civilian. It looked professional. The suspect arrested turned out to be a decoy so the real shooter could run away, this was carefully planned. Benjamin Netanyahu tweets about it just minutes after.
Which triggers the questions:
Why Charlie Kirk of all people?
Dude is basically conservative slop packed for Gen Z, he is not a politician but he is influential enough, and by killing him now they got rid of someone who could be a problem in the future, he was a rabid Zionist but he took free speech seriously, something they won't ever allow.
But...Why?
It happened just hours ago and we barely know anything, but he was the perfect victim at the perfect time. 9/11 remembrance is tomorrow, and you can expect every social media and political figure for the next days to say "LOOK AT WHAT THE LEFTISTS HAD DONE TO THIS COUNTRY" Or something like that. They will undoubtly martyrize his death to clear the path for more extremist figures, don't forget at any moment that divide and conquer is their specialty.
All this stuff is reminiscent of the Reichstag fire in Nazi Germany where we still don’t know who did it.
Another thing that is very strange is the trump admin releasing an AI video of trump addressing the nation for this shooting when he didn’t address the nation for the 2 democrat lawmakers getting killed or for any other mass shootings that happens especially the ones where kids were killed on the same day as Kirk. He is trying to generate violent hatred for the liberals.
You read my mind. It’s another false flag operation (like Trump assassination attempt). Yes, they actually kill people so it’s not just fake or crisis actors. Speaking of acting, I found it interesting that all the ‘witnesses’ mentioned he was shot while answering questions around trans mass shooters. This was clearly to whip up trans hatred and further the divide of the peasantry. Watch the narrative.
This. Has anyone come up with anything to explain this? Or call into question the video’s authenticity? Looks like the proverbial, ah, “smoking gun” to me.
A staged assassination attempt on a windy day at hundreds of yards by a mediocre shooter where the bullet grazed Trump's ear?
I don't know about you, but if I staged a false flag assassination attempt on ME and it got that close, they wouldn't be getting paid.
Lets not forget that Trump's demonrat opponents are just as bloodythirsty and amoral as the repugs. Or that there is a trail of dead bodies behind the Clinton's that would make a mafia family proud.
Repeating smears is not helpful. Far right political violence dwarfs left: "Over the past two decades (2005–2025), the United States has seen a significant number of lethal terrorist attacks, predominantly attributed to right-wing extremists, including white supremacists. In contrast, left-wing terrorist attacks have been rare and have resulted in few, if any, fatalities." BTW , dehumanization ("demonrats") is a Nazi tactic, meant to justify extermination. It aligns with Zionists calling Palestinians "human animals" or Nazis calling Jews "vermin." Get out of the gutter....its bad company.
100%, no doubts about it. This is yet another false flag operation on the anniversary of humanity's biggest flase flag operation. This was done to regain day by day reduction in sympathies for zionist project. Its no rocket science.
At age 78 I have liked Charlie and his message and courage for several years, sent him a few contributions, but was not aware of his stance towards Israel. Thank you for his discussion with Megyn. I have seen others too, just this morning. I am very pleased to find out that Charlie was asking questions about Zionist tactics.
Being the Conspiracy Theorist that I am, it is now very possible that Charlies assassin was in the employ of Mossad.
"Charlie Kirk did not challenge Zionism; rather, he was a vocal proponent of it. However, his occasional use of antisemitic rhetoric complicated his legacy, leading to a complex and often contradictory public image." the right is most capable of supporting Zionist genocide in Gaza and being anti-Semitic, while calling criticism of Israel anti-Semitism. This is because it is not interested in truth or logic but only power.
Just this morning I have seen 3 different short videos, with Megyn, with Shapiro and then just comments I guess on his own show. In each of them he was questioning what Megyn, Candace, Tucker and so many others are questioning--the unholy relationship between the federal government and its masters in Israel.
- Charlie Kirk was a supporter of Israel - He was described by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday as a "lion-hearted friend of Israel."
There is so much PURE EVIL about this person - do your own research. Some linkes ->
"Charlie Kirk, the 31-year-old founder of Turning Point USA (TPUSA), was a prominent conservative activist known for his staunch support of Israel. His advocacy for the Jewish state was a cornerstone of his political ideology, influencing his public statements, organizational initiatives, and international engagements."
- Charlie Kirk was a supporter of Israel - He was described by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday as a "lion-hearted friend of Israel."
There is so much PURE EVIL about this person - do your own research.
You know it is possible for young persons as they age to change their minds on certain things. Indeed, it is a part of growing up, learning where you have been wrong and correcting your view of the world around you. It's called rational thinking, and so far you might be incapable of that.
HaHa - are you suggesting arguing with a conspiracy theorist? Don't you know that it is impossible to do so? There is a difference between 'a conspiracy' and 'the theory behind the conspiracy - known as a conspiracy theory'. I have no issues with 'real conspiracies' (that require evidence, logic, and a methodology for verification of truth), but throwing up 'assertions based on musings and feelings and patternicity' CANNOT substitute for evidence. Hence my disdain for the 'theories behind most conspiracies' (also known as conspiracy theories).
What's the difference between 'speculation' and 'educated speculation'?
I'm someone that prefers to do my speculation with REAL evidence, facts, logical analysis, and critical thinking. 'Jumping the gun' and 'jumping to conclusions' are not 'thinking strategies' that I appreciate (in business and in life) - it leads to more negative effects than positive ones (in my experience).
So…they’re not blaming Muslims are they? That’s a win for me. Perhaps Democrats and Republicans can sort it out amongst themselves and burn the country to the ground and save the world from their evilness
You still have to account for being in a large crowd. Reality on the spot. Had to get in position watching your back and be thinking about your escape. Takes a lot of nerves beyond learning at a firing range.
Anarchy is NOT about killing. Anarchy by definition means WITHOUT hierarchial government. That anyone who fights for freedom from a cartel of government is labeled Anarchist is propaganda. Also anyone who expects a cartel of parasitical thieves called government to end their evil peacefully is foolishly naive.
really? Maybe one in a hundred? There are virtually no examples, while they are a trainload of examples of rightwing murders--mostly in uniform but sometimes mass shooters and assassins
Wow, this piece is a great example of how politics can make people say and do inhumane things. You don't know this man personally, but you are keen to call him a "piece of shit" because he bought into the Zionists propaganda that Israel is defending itself and not committing genocide. Many people buy into this propaganda, even people on the left, but that doesn't make them turds.
These are real human beings just like the real human beings in Palestine being murdered. I shouldn't have to say this, but hate begets hate. Kirk left behind a loving and caring family and I am sure his little children didn't think that he was a piece of shit of a human being because of his political views.
I know many kind people that support Israel because they buy into this bullshit. What about you Caitlin? Do you buy into the bullshit that the covid pandemic was real? As bad as the genocide in Palestine is, what's worse is the complete all out war on humanity that was launched with the roll out of these death shots.
even if he wasn't spouting zio talking points, have you not heard of literally any other opinion he's had?? most importantly what he's said about kids in relation to the 2nd ammendment??? anyone who says shit like that about literal children is a piece of shit and idk why you have the time to waste defending a dead man who left behind really nothing good throughout the entirety of his pathetic, hate-filled career.
Please enlighten me. What did he say about kids in relation to the second amendment? Please also provide some quotes and references that clearly show that this man was hateful.
Are you going to go through life insisting other people do your work? Are you really that lazy and incompetent? I have neither the interest nor the responsibility to educate, much less prove anything to you. Especially when you resist educating yourself. In addition, you’re dishonest, having misrepresented what’s been stated.
How exactly am I being dishonest Nancy? You could have provided me with at least one or two links with all the time you have spent in bothering to respond to me with your unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks.
In one post he stated the names of several prominent Black women, claiming they ONLY achieved their positions because of Affirmative Action and otherwise hadn’t the “brains” to accomplish what they did.
I love it when posters demand that others prove things to them that are all over the web. Do your own research before you cast doubts about accuracy. We all have a responsibility to educate ourselves. The same can be said about Gaza.
I didn’t say you did. (That’s a different and deflecting point). I’m challenging you to educate yourself about information you questioned. It’s your responsibility.
I have and there isn't anything that I have stumbled on that has convinced me that he was an inherently hateful person, so here I am asking for some references. So far I have received 0 links.
- Charlie Kirk was a supporter of Israel - He was described by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday as a "lion-hearted friend of Israel."
There is so much PURE EVIL about this person - do your own research. Some linkes ->
So he is inherently evil because he supports Israel? Do you know assanine that is? Do you not realize that the vast majority of people who support Zionism and Israel are completely brainwashed by western propaganda?
My in laws support Israel because they watch the mainstream media. Does that make them pieces of shit? No. It makes them brainwashed sheeple.
Sure, there is a difference. Are you saying that Charlie Kirk is 'brainwashed by Western propaganda'? Are you suggesting that Charlie Kirk is naive and a stupid fool? I doubt it. I think Charlie Kirk is smart enough (and articulate enough) to know the difference.
And it's not just his support of Israel, Zionism, and the Genocide that makes him evil. That's just the icing on top of the cake. The 'whole cake' is EVIL. But then again, if you're in a conservative right-wing 'echo-chamber', then you obviously haven't come across the plethora of information that damns him.
"Many people buy into this (Zionist) propaganda, even people on the left, but that doesn't make them turds." - It absolutely does.
"Kirk left behind a loving and caring family and I am sure his little children didn't think that he was a piece of shit of a human being because of his political views." - They absolutely should.
"I know many kind people that support Israel" -They absolutely can't be. No 'kind' person could support genocide, ethnic cleansing, and such sadistic Israeli 'sports' as shooting teenagers in the genitals and starving babies to death. No decent person either.
"Do you buy into the bullshit that the covid pandemic was real?" - Dummold Turmp does.
I don't know anything about him. Was his family life loving and caring? Maybe. But it's just an assumption. And hardly anyone cared but them when he was alive. But it seems like jumping to assumptions is your thing regarding a lot of stuff.
What assumptions am I jumping to exactly? It seems to me that most of the people here who supposedly care about human rights because of their die hard defense of Palestine do not see the hypocrisy of celebrating the death of another human being.
Reichstag fire moment for the 21st century? False flag incident, blame the 'left', use the uproar to cement authoritarian power. That's literally the playbook from 1933 Germany to bring Hitler to the Chancellor role
Not necessarily saying that happened in this case but it's 100% fact that was the situation with Hitler becoming Chancellor: sabotage, blame, then fuhrer. "Was it a professional sniper?" and 'who paid them?' would be my first questions. The 'radical left' got blamed long before any thorough investigation could feasibly have been completed
Have you seen the comments that Charlie was starting to wake up to the possibility that Israel may not be the best state to cheerlead for? And that he was a possible future President? Netanyahu being among the first to tweet about it is certainly suspicious don't you think?
Count me as one who doesn't understand the "piece of shit" comment. Like, at all. Even though I have seen it here and there.
We can disagree with each other but be civil.
And he may not have understood how evil Israel's military and government are until his dying day, but there were signs that he was trying, as some comments have reflected.
Regardless, I don't call you a "piece of shit," Ms. Johnstone, because you mistakenly hold out some hope for socialism.
(I mean, why the heck would you still? Makes no sense.)
Maybe some people do call you a "piece of shit." But if they do, it helps nobody and nothing and is indeed detrimental.
And in fact I respect the heck out of your writing most of the time.
As much as I respect your views, Caitlin, I disagree with the concept that any person is a "piece of shit." All life is valuable, and that it's possible to disagree, while still continuing to recognize our common humanity. That failure has led us to our current situation. Recognition is the only thing that has a chance to save our species from extinction.
Plenty of piece of shit humans. Doesn’t mean they don’t have the capacity to evolve into something other than that.
One of the big reasons liberals have contributed to the current clusterf*ck is a complete confusion when it comes to tolerance and truth telling, and which is more important.
Agree and at this moment in time it is very important that we hold on to that Hope - we need to believe in the best of humanity right now and hold it steady. Yes there bad actors "Hell is empty and all the devil's are here" as Shakespeare once said, that doesn't we all have to lose our shit and behave and speak like ignorant teenagers. We need to find the middle ground. We have no idea what just happened.
There is no "middle ground" with Nazis, Zionists, and other pathological ideologies and their psychopathic leaders. The liberals preach this "middle ground" stuff all the time and it has always led to a brutal, authoritarian take-over. Mostly the liberals are fairly well-off and don't want their comfort disturbed and have the mistaken believe that the psychopaths will leave them alone if they apologize on their behalf.
What happened is, more than likely, a false flag event meant to justify a leap forward for fascism. If it was a real leftist intervention, as Caitlin said, no tears here, I'll reserve them for the truly innocent people of Gaza.
You have no clue what it was Ron - Zero. And personally I’m sick of labels. A man was murdered. I’ve lived in many countries and know people from all walks of life, what leads to authortarian takeovers is ignorance - that is why they go after universities, Lawyers, Doctors et Quit generalizing about other people and maybe start trying to get to know them - even the ones you disagree with.
I don't know what it was, that's why I said "more than likely". You may be sick of labels and if that's a comfort to your liberal proclivities, all well for you. But what do you call the person, the nation, the ideology that comes to shred or starve your child. What do you call the person who says elementary school children are necessary sacrifices to protect the "God given" right to bear arms, when sick teenager comes to your child's school? What do you call someone who encourages people to take up arms against your transgender child? If you won't "label" them, how do you deal with them?
good point - on a bad day i would definitely call him a monster. And I’m definitely a liberal but not the kind you think. I would just ask that in the wake of a man being murdered, a man who was extreme in his point of view. Maybe we should soften just a little and remember that Charlie Kirke was ignorant, he dropped out of college, he had an extreme point of view which he believed in. He could have changed and imagine his energy if it got behind something good. There is always a chance for redemption - even in the monsters. He has children.
I read a perspective article by Council estate media this morning. Worth reading. Interested in anybody’s thoughts on it. Thank you Caitlin for your continued support for the wretched of the earth.
The wrong tone, Caitlin, in my opinion. Charlie Kirk was not “a piece of shit”: nobody is, I venture to say. He is (was) one of millions of “nice people” who, for reasons of background, upbringing, education and personal “instincts,” has (had) abhorrent ideas. He also had a wife and two young children; are they also “pieces of shit” for, presumably, loving him? His repugnant ideas are (were) either a reflection of the ideas of millions of others or are reflected in them; are they all “pieces of shit”?
He is dead, he was assassinated, murdered. His appalling voice is still, to be followed, hardly without doubt, by others equally appalling—or even more so. But one can be completely opposed to someone’s ideas and actions while not condoning his assassination, while withholding, at least momentarily, one’s simplistic labeling of another human being, at least on a public forum. Privately we all call those we don’t like “pieces of shit,” while realizing that we may be so called ourselves. In private such reactions are understandable; in public one, I think, could be more circumspect.
Kirk, a man who would do/say anything and hurt anyone to attain power/money, is part of an elite group of psychopaths who will never give you, me or others that possess basic human empathy even a moment of respect. Kirk is on record expressing contempt for the very concept of empathy!
These people are the enemies of human dignity and as such deserve nothing but our disdain. You don't have to revel in the murder of these people, but neither do you need to lament it.
What an ineffective way to view life and the world. You can hold the belief that someone is a piece of shit and still believe in the sanctity of life. They are not mutually exclusive. Ego is what makes them seem opposed.
I think the Deep state Killed Charlie Kirk. Either Mossad or the CIA or some part of the American government. I also now believe the Trump shooting was staged.
Charlie Kirk used to be a Israel loyalist. He feared that Israel would kill him if he started criticizing Israel, not much, but when you have sold your soul, even a bad word means you crossed the line. He let anti-zionists speak at his events. Someone shoots at his neck, and it wasn't your average civilian. It looked professional. The suspect arrested turned out to be a decoy so the real shooter could run away, this was carefully planned. Benjamin Netanyahu tweets about it just minutes after.
Which triggers the questions:
Why Charlie Kirk of all people?
Dude is basically conservative slop packed for Gen Z, he is not a politician but he is influential enough, and by killing him now they got rid of someone who could be a problem in the future, he was a rabid Zionist but he took free speech seriously, something they won't ever allow.
But...Why?
It happened just hours ago and we barely know anything, but he was the perfect victim at the perfect time. 9/11 remembrance is tomorrow, and you can expect every social media and political figure for the next days to say "LOOK AT WHAT THE LEFTISTS HAD DONE TO THIS COUNTRY" Or something like that. They will undoubtly martyrize his death to clear the path for more extremist figures, don't forget at any moment that divide and conquer is their specialty.
More evidence of Charlie’s tepid anti-zionism:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/1ndzmyb/charli_kirk_mentioned_he_was_getting_messages/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
All this stuff is reminiscent of the Reichstag fire in Nazi Germany where we still don’t know who did it.
Another thing that is very strange is the trump admin releasing an AI video of trump addressing the nation for this shooting when he didn’t address the nation for the 2 democrat lawmakers getting killed or for any other mass shootings that happens especially the ones where kids were killed on the same day as Kirk. He is trying to generate violent hatred for the liberals.
https://youtu.be/-q1N6Akpz9c?feature=shared
Also why AI? Is Trump dead and the admin is trying to accelerate fascism now that they lost their golden boy?
He used to be an Israel loyalist
He feared ‘Israel would kill him’
He started mildly criticizing Israel
He said Epstein was Mossad
He let anti-Zionists speak at his events
Zionist media started attacking him
Someone shot his jugular 200 yards away
Netanyahu tweets within minutes
Patsy gets arrested & acts guilty
Assassin escapes without a trace
Netanyahu tweets longer message
Something tells me they’re not going to tell us the truth about who killed Charlie Kirk…
I imagine a Charlie Kirk supporter shot many children in the head and killed them in Palestine. Is Old Glory at half mast for that? Save Gaza.
You read my mind. It’s another false flag operation (like Trump assassination attempt). Yes, they actually kill people so it’s not just fake or crisis actors. Speaking of acting, I found it interesting that all the ‘witnesses’ mentioned he was shot while answering questions around trans mass shooters. This was clearly to whip up trans hatred and further the divide of the peasantry. Watch the narrative.
...and push for "gun control" as well
Maybe even knew something about trump 's dealings with epstein?
Why is security behind Kirk doing baseball signs???
https://x.com/RyanShead/status/1965998572639547460
This. Has anyone come up with anything to explain this? Or call into question the video’s authenticity? Looks like the proverbial, ah, “smoking gun” to me.
A staged assassination attempt on a windy day at hundreds of yards by a mediocre shooter where the bullet grazed Trump's ear?
I don't know about you, but if I staged a false flag assassination attempt on ME and it got that close, they wouldn't be getting paid.
Lets not forget that Trump's demonrat opponents are just as bloodythirsty and amoral as the repugs. Or that there is a trail of dead bodies behind the Clinton's that would make a mafia family proud.
Repeating smears is not helpful. Far right political violence dwarfs left: "Over the past two decades (2005–2025), the United States has seen a significant number of lethal terrorist attacks, predominantly attributed to right-wing extremists, including white supremacists. In contrast, left-wing terrorist attacks have been rare and have resulted in few, if any, fatalities." BTW , dehumanization ("demonrats") is a Nazi tactic, meant to justify extermination. It aligns with Zionists calling Palestinians "human animals" or Nazis calling Jews "vermin." Get out of the gutter....its bad company.
I don't know about that. If the argument about gun control is any indicator of blood thirstyness, the Republicans are hands down winners.
Maybe you Gruneo can answer this question for me.
ALL the 'spineless' people who have guns in the USA.....why are they not using them?
100%, no doubts about it. This is yet another false flag operation on the anniversary of humanity's biggest flase flag operation. This was done to regain day by day reduction in sympathies for zionist project. Its no rocket science.
At age 78 I have liked Charlie and his message and courage for several years, sent him a few contributions, but was not aware of his stance towards Israel. Thank you for his discussion with Megyn. I have seen others too, just this morning. I am very pleased to find out that Charlie was asking questions about Zionist tactics.
Being the Conspiracy Theorist that I am, it is now very possible that Charlies assassin was in the employ of Mossad.
"Charlie Kirk did not challenge Zionism; rather, he was a vocal proponent of it. However, his occasional use of antisemitic rhetoric complicated his legacy, leading to a complex and often contradictory public image." the right is most capable of supporting Zionist genocide in Gaza and being anti-Semitic, while calling criticism of Israel anti-Semitism. This is because it is not interested in truth or logic but only power.
Just this morning I have seen 3 different short videos, with Megyn, with Shapiro and then just comments I guess on his own show. In each of them he was questioning what Megyn, Candace, Tucker and so many others are questioning--the unholy relationship between the federal government and its masters in Israel.
Bollocks..............all US people are spineless and live in Movie land!
Charlie Kirk was a despicable, disgusting human, with morals on par with those of Israeli Zionists.
Some more stuff about him ->
- On July 28, Kirk posted a video on X saying "No, Israel is not starving Gazans," (https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1949908699411288130)
- Charlie Kirk was a supporter of Israel - He was described by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday as a "lion-hearted friend of Israel."
There is so much PURE EVIL about this person - do your own research. Some linkes ->
(1) https://vinnews.com/2025/09/10/charlie-kirk-a-pro-israel-conservative-voice-in-american-politics/
"Charlie Kirk, the 31-year-old founder of Turning Point USA (TPUSA), was a prominent conservative activist known for his staunch support of Israel. His advocacy for the Jewish state was a cornerstone of his political ideology, influencing his public statements, organizational initiatives, and international engagements."
"[H]e took free speech seriously, something they won't ever allow"
Bingo. Something to think long and hard about when contemplating what democracy means.
Charlie Kirk didn't know what 'free speech' was. Hate speech is NOT free-speech. In fact, he was an opponent of free speech. How?
- He created a professor watch list, and a schoolboard watch list to name and frighten people from teaching real history
- he advocated restrictions on what school teachers could teach (he was a christian nationalist).
- there's a clip online where you can see that the called for the televised public executions to be watched by children (Trump Ally Charlie Kirk Suggests Children Should Watch Public Executions - https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073)
He was a disgusting, decrepit human, with morals on par with those of Israeli Zionists.
Some more stuff about him ->
- On July 28, Kirk posted a video on X saying "No, Israel is not starving Gazans," (https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1949908699411288130)
- Charlie Kirk was a supporter of Israel - He was described by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday as a "lion-hearted friend of Israel."
There is so much PURE EVIL about this person - do your own research.
Here are some links ->
(1) "A Moment of Great Peril": Jeff Sharlet on Killing of Charlie Kirk (Democracy Now->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEBq2tx2lSM)
(2) Some of Charlie Kirk's most controversial takes (https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)
(3) Trump Ally Charlie Kirk Suggests Children Should Watch Public Executions (https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073)
You know it is possible for young persons as they age to change their minds on certain things. Indeed, it is a part of growing up, learning where you have been wrong and correcting your view of the world around you. It's called rational thinking, and so far you might be incapable of that.
Sorry, your apologia and defense of EVIL doesn't fly. Try again.
I just call 'em like I see 'em Chang.
That explains your support of the Genocide-loving Zionist Charlie Kirk.
NO DEmocracy in the USA for a long time..............Venezuela! You do not like Maduro but you want their oil!
I am wondering if the DS capped him to push the civil war agenda.
Americans are incapable of fighting!
Yours scenario is as believable as anything we will hear anyone else. It makes good sense.
Makes a lot of sense
And....the conspiracy theorists come out of the woodwork...as expected.
Why don't you try refuting it instead of complaining? I'm all ears.
HaHa - are you suggesting arguing with a conspiracy theorist? Don't you know that it is impossible to do so? There is a difference between 'a conspiracy' and 'the theory behind the conspiracy - known as a conspiracy theory'. I have no issues with 'real conspiracies' (that require evidence, logic, and a methodology for verification of truth), but throwing up 'assertions based on musings and feelings and patternicity' CANNOT substitute for evidence. Hence my disdain for the 'theories behind most conspiracies' (also known as conspiracy theories).
We are engaging speculation, not wrong with that, especially educated speculation.
What's the difference between 'speculation' and 'educated speculation'?
I'm someone that prefers to do my speculation with REAL evidence, facts, logical analysis, and critical thinking. 'Jumping the gun' and 'jumping to conclusions' are not 'thinking strategies' that I appreciate (in business and in life) - it leads to more negative effects than positive ones (in my experience).
You answered your question: educated speculation involves facts.
it's either a lone gunman who had no help from anyone else, or it's a conspiracy. those are the two possibilities.
I usually hold off on making assessments until I have more information, evidence, and facts.
God, guns and Trump- a poisonous cocktail with dire consequences and maximum confusion.
Instant wealth and powerful words and public influence.
So…they’re not blaming Muslims are they? That’s a win for me. Perhaps Democrats and Republicans can sort it out amongst themselves and burn the country to the ground and save the world from their evilness
An average shooter couldn’t hit their target from 200 yards out
It's the escape that's most impressive. Had to have extensive planning and knowledge.
Several people would have had to be involved in a successful escape. This was a joint caper, not a "lone gunman."
Maybe he/she was let escape?
Totally.
You still have to account for being in a large crowd. Reality on the spot. Had to get in position watching your back and be thinking about your escape. Takes a lot of nerves beyond learning at a firing range.
Several people noticed the person on the roof and questioned it but as usual near by law enforcement saw nothing suspicious
This was a planned professional hit job as being talked about on YouTube
Along with the racially motivated murder earlier this week — with both being extremely graphic for billions to see— we need to be careful and be on guard: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-charlie-kirk-assassination
The far right pundits were calling for rounding up all political opponents before he was even declared deceased. This isn't about the truth.
Notice the extremism? Probably works at Queerty pushing division and hate.
It's the left that is killing and murdering these days. I can read it in your comments.
You're out of your mind with empathy
I'm against killing people. Try it, instead of anarchy.
Anarchy is NOT about killing. Anarchy by definition means WITHOUT hierarchial government. That anyone who fights for freedom from a cartel of government is labeled Anarchist is propaganda. Also anyone who expects a cartel of parasitical thieves called government to end their evil peacefully is foolishly naive.
really? Maybe one in a hundred? There are virtually no examples, while they are a trainload of examples of rightwing murders--mostly in uniform but sometimes mass shooters and assassins
how many days are you counting? don't be daft, it's not even close
Today is 9/11
11 days before 9/22.
It was on 9/22/2023, as you remember, that Netanyahu went before the world body
and in a speech in which he pretended to promote peace
wiped Palestine from the map.
Never forget 9/22
9 days later, Oct 1st, Zio settlers began invading
and defiling
the al Aqsa mosque.
They did this day after day after day
until the Palestinians responded with resistance.
Never forget 9/22
A white person killed oh dear!
Jenny! 👍👍👍
Gypsy.xxx
Are you trying to say the deaths of whites are overhyped? Because the corporate media didn't have much to say about the murder of that Ukraine women
I hope this is irony!
You've lost me - I'm thinking about similarities to a famous false flag operation run by fascists. What's that got to do with Charlie Kirk's race?
Wow, this piece is a great example of how politics can make people say and do inhumane things. You don't know this man personally, but you are keen to call him a "piece of shit" because he bought into the Zionists propaganda that Israel is defending itself and not committing genocide. Many people buy into this propaganda, even people on the left, but that doesn't make them turds.
These are real human beings just like the real human beings in Palestine being murdered. I shouldn't have to say this, but hate begets hate. Kirk left behind a loving and caring family and I am sure his little children didn't think that he was a piece of shit of a human being because of his political views.
I know many kind people that support Israel because they buy into this bullshit. What about you Caitlin? Do you buy into the bullshit that the covid pandemic was real? As bad as the genocide in Palestine is, what's worse is the complete all out war on humanity that was launched with the roll out of these death shots.
even if he wasn't spouting zio talking points, have you not heard of literally any other opinion he's had?? most importantly what he's said about kids in relation to the 2nd ammendment??? anyone who says shit like that about literal children is a piece of shit and idk why you have the time to waste defending a dead man who left behind really nothing good throughout the entirety of his pathetic, hate-filled career.
Please enlighten me. What did he say about kids in relation to the second amendment? Please also provide some quotes and references that clearly show that this man was hateful.
Begone troll
Good chat. I love how people make unsubstantiated claims to justify their stance.
Are you going to go through life insisting other people do your work? Are you really that lazy and incompetent? I have neither the interest nor the responsibility to educate, much less prove anything to you. Especially when you resist educating yourself. In addition, you’re dishonest, having misrepresented what’s been stated.
How exactly am I being dishonest Nancy? You could have provided me with at least one or two links with all the time you have spent in bothering to respond to me with your unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks.
He was a piece of shit !
Based on what exactly?
He openly advocated for the death and rape of people like me.
So fuck off
Links and references please.
If you weren't a bot you'd already know.
Vee, ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTIN’ ME?
In one post he stated the names of several prominent Black women, claiming they ONLY achieved their positions because of Affirmative Action and otherwise hadn’t the “brains” to accomplish what they did.
Who needs societal members like that? 🤬
Please provide links and references.
I love it when posters demand that others prove things to them that are all over the web. Do your own research before you cast doubts about accuracy. We all have a responsibility to educate ourselves. The same can be said about Gaza.
I'm not the one cheering on the death of another human being.
I didn’t say you did. (That’s a different and deflecting point). I’m challenging you to educate yourself about information you questioned. It’s your responsibility.
I have and there isn't anything that I have stumbled on that has convinced me that he was an inherently hateful person, so here I am asking for some references. So far I have received 0 links.
I ain’t your fuckin’ library.
Good chat.
Kamala Harris. Not a single primary vote and she was escalated to the top.
Without knowing the people he mentioned, we cannot say it's true or not. It does happen
speaking as someone who was once a turd (and probably still am), that guy was a latrine full of shite
>>"CHARLIE KIRK: 'I stand with Israel'"
Enough said. Calling him a 'piece of shit' is a euphemism. He was orders of magnitude worse than that.
Some more stuff about him ->
- On July 28, 2025, Kirk posted a video on X saying "No, Israel is not starving Gazans," (https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1949908699411288130)
- Charlie Kirk was a supporter of Israel - He was described by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday as a "lion-hearted friend of Israel."
There is so much PURE EVIL about this person - do your own research. Some linkes ->
https://vinnews.com/2025/09/10/charlie-kirk-a-pro-israel-conservative-voice-in-american-politics/
The word 'evil' doesn't even begin to describe Charlie Kirk...
So he is inherently evil because he supports Israel? Do you know assanine that is? Do you not realize that the vast majority of people who support Zionism and Israel are completely brainwashed by western propaganda?
My in laws support Israel because they watch the mainstream media. Does that make them pieces of shit? No. It makes them brainwashed sheeple.
There is a difference.
>>"There is a difference."
Sure, there is a difference. Are you saying that Charlie Kirk is 'brainwashed by Western propaganda'? Are you suggesting that Charlie Kirk is naive and a stupid fool? I doubt it. I think Charlie Kirk is smart enough (and articulate enough) to know the difference.
And it's not just his support of Israel, Zionism, and the Genocide that makes him evil. That's just the icing on top of the cake. The 'whole cake' is EVIL. But then again, if you're in a conservative right-wing 'echo-chamber', then you obviously haven't come across the plethora of information that damns him.
"Many people buy into this (Zionist) propaganda, even people on the left, but that doesn't make them turds." - It absolutely does.
"Kirk left behind a loving and caring family and I am sure his little children didn't think that he was a piece of shit of a human being because of his political views." - They absolutely should.
"I know many kind people that support Israel" -They absolutely can't be. No 'kind' person could support genocide, ethnic cleansing, and such sadistic Israeli 'sports' as shooting teenagers in the genitals and starving babies to death. No decent person either.
"Do you buy into the bullshit that the covid pandemic was real?" - Dummold Turmp does.
Caitlin behaves like a BASIC CUNT. She's a typical mid-wit.
I don't know anything about him. Was his family life loving and caring? Maybe. But it's just an assumption. And hardly anyone cared but them when he was alive. But it seems like jumping to assumptions is your thing regarding a lot of stuff.
What assumptions am I jumping to exactly? It seems to me that most of the people here who supposedly care about human rights because of their die hard defense of Palestine do not see the hypocrisy of celebrating the death of another human being.
A hundred Charlie Kirks would not equal a single Gazan baby murdered by Israel (and its supporters).
Reichstag fire moment for the 21st century? False flag incident, blame the 'left', use the uproar to cement authoritarian power. That's literally the playbook from 1933 Germany to bring Hitler to the Chancellor role
Check yourself before you wreck you good name, Ted.
Not necessarily saying that happened in this case but it's 100% fact that was the situation with Hitler becoming Chancellor: sabotage, blame, then fuhrer. "Was it a professional sniper?" and 'who paid them?' would be my first questions. The 'radical left' got blamed long before any thorough investigation could feasibly have been completed
Israel is a Terrorist State. Who's Next is a great album. We Won't be Fooled Again a great song. Listen to the music all. Free Palestine.
The murder of Charlie Kirk is wrong, wrong, wrong!
It is also counterproductive.
Because it is counterproductive to the anti-Genocide side
then it is productive to the pro-Genocide side.
Watch out!
Trump thus has an increased mandate to come down hard on the anti-Genocide side.
And the pro-Genocide side knew this *before* Charlie Kirk was shot.
Always ask who benefits.
Have you seen the comments that Charlie was starting to wake up to the possibility that Israel may not be the best state to cheerlead for? And that he was a possible future President? Netanyahu being among the first to tweet about it is certainly suspicious don't you think?
Count me as one who doesn't understand the "piece of shit" comment. Like, at all. Even though I have seen it here and there.
We can disagree with each other but be civil.
And he may not have understood how evil Israel's military and government are until his dying day, but there were signs that he was trying, as some comments have reflected.
Regardless, I don't call you a "piece of shit," Ms. Johnstone, because you mistakenly hold out some hope for socialism.
(I mean, why the heck would you still? Makes no sense.)
Maybe some people do call you a "piece of shit." But if they do, it helps nobody and nothing and is indeed detrimental.
And in fact I respect the heck out of your writing most of the time.
Your both sides fallacy re. piece of shit here is laughable.
Keep assassinating people. Really Tom? It's not a solution.
As much as I respect your views, Caitlin, I disagree with the concept that any person is a "piece of shit." All life is valuable, and that it's possible to disagree, while still continuing to recognize our common humanity. That failure has led us to our current situation. Recognition is the only thing that has a chance to save our species from extinction.
Plenty of piece of shit humans. Doesn’t mean they don’t have the capacity to evolve into something other than that.
One of the big reasons liberals have contributed to the current clusterf*ck is a complete confusion when it comes to tolerance and truth telling, and which is more important.
Agree and at this moment in time it is very important that we hold on to that Hope - we need to believe in the best of humanity right now and hold it steady. Yes there bad actors "Hell is empty and all the devil's are here" as Shakespeare once said, that doesn't we all have to lose our shit and behave and speak like ignorant teenagers. We need to find the middle ground. We have no idea what just happened.
There is no "middle ground" with Nazis, Zionists, and other pathological ideologies and their psychopathic leaders. The liberals preach this "middle ground" stuff all the time and it has always led to a brutal, authoritarian take-over. Mostly the liberals are fairly well-off and don't want their comfort disturbed and have the mistaken believe that the psychopaths will leave them alone if they apologize on their behalf.
What happened is, more than likely, a false flag event meant to justify a leap forward for fascism. If it was a real leftist intervention, as Caitlin said, no tears here, I'll reserve them for the truly innocent people of Gaza.
You have no clue what it was Ron - Zero. And personally I’m sick of labels. A man was murdered. I’ve lived in many countries and know people from all walks of life, what leads to authortarian takeovers is ignorance - that is why they go after universities, Lawyers, Doctors et Quit generalizing about other people and maybe start trying to get to know them - even the ones you disagree with.
I don't know what it was, that's why I said "more than likely". You may be sick of labels and if that's a comfort to your liberal proclivities, all well for you. But what do you call the person, the nation, the ideology that comes to shred or starve your child. What do you call the person who says elementary school children are necessary sacrifices to protect the "God given" right to bear arms, when sick teenager comes to your child's school? What do you call someone who encourages people to take up arms against your transgender child? If you won't "label" them, how do you deal with them?
good point - on a bad day i would definitely call him a monster. And I’m definitely a liberal but not the kind you think. I would just ask that in the wake of a man being murdered, a man who was extreme in his point of view. Maybe we should soften just a little and remember that Charlie Kirke was ignorant, he dropped out of college, he had an extreme point of view which he believed in. He could have changed and imagine his energy if it got behind something good. There is always a chance for redemption - even in the monsters. He has children.
as someone who is a piece of shit, I can confirm that guy was definitely an enormous log of poop and there's nothing wrong acknowledging it
Egyptians had it as their cosmology: a scarab beetle rolling a ball of dung, representing the universe.
Embrace being shit. Now focus on the task at hand. Roll with it.
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He literally spent his life telling you other people were pieces of shit.
I read a perspective article by Council estate media this morning. Worth reading. Interested in anybody’s thoughts on it. Thank you Caitlin for your continued support for the wretched of the earth.
I thought it was balanced. Did you watch the Twitter video he linked to with the two spooks doing baseball signals? Insane!
The wrong tone, Caitlin, in my opinion. Charlie Kirk was not “a piece of shit”: nobody is, I venture to say. He is (was) one of millions of “nice people” who, for reasons of background, upbringing, education and personal “instincts,” has (had) abhorrent ideas. He also had a wife and two young children; are they also “pieces of shit” for, presumably, loving him? His repugnant ideas are (were) either a reflection of the ideas of millions of others or are reflected in them; are they all “pieces of shit”?
He is dead, he was assassinated, murdered. His appalling voice is still, to be followed, hardly without doubt, by others equally appalling—or even more so. But one can be completely opposed to someone’s ideas and actions while not condoning his assassination, while withholding, at least momentarily, one’s simplistic labeling of another human being, at least on a public forum. Privately we all call those we don’t like “pieces of shit,” while realizing that we may be so called ourselves. In private such reactions are understandable; in public one, I think, could be more circumspect.
Kirk, a man who would do/say anything and hurt anyone to attain power/money, is part of an elite group of psychopaths who will never give you, me or others that possess basic human empathy even a moment of respect. Kirk is on record expressing contempt for the very concept of empathy!
These people are the enemies of human dignity and as such deserve nothing but our disdain. You don't have to revel in the murder of these people, but neither do you need to lament it.
Thank You, Eugene!
What an ineffective way to view life and the world. You can hold the belief that someone is a piece of shit and still believe in the sanctity of life. They are not mutually exclusive. Ego is what makes them seem opposed.