Anytime anybody utters the words “free the hostages” it must be made crystal clear that this includes all the Palestinians and UN workers and aid, workers, and journalist who have been swept up into Israel’s prison system.
ABSOLUTELY. I am so sick of hearing Hamas just has to turn themselves in and give up what hostages are still alive. Then the bombing will stop. Such crap.
When this is over, the Palestinians who are left, will not be angry at Hamas, they will hate, with vengeance, the Israelis.
The picture is getting more clear everyday........these scum Zionist have to go. I really can't imagine how Israel SHOULD survive. Certainly does not deserve to.
I would say, Israel must be fully defanged. But then the huge challenge is who will guarantee the safety of Israeli civilians? And who will guarantee the safety of Palestinian civilians with so many rabid paramilitary extremists reveling in blood lust?
I think that Israel has forfeited its right to exist, and he land should revert to Palestine and belong to Palestinians--and whatever percentage of Jews want to remain and are capable to living in harmony with Palestinian neighbors (10%?) The rest of the Israelis should be refugees, allowed to bring belongings to whatever countries they go to. I don't believe they are only safe in Israel--I think they'd be safer in the US and many other countries.
Not only that, but you shouldn't forfeit your *livelihood* and *safety* for voicing this opinion, which, in the US at least, is an absolute right. This shit is, this year certainly, reaching a frightening climax, with widespread witchhunts after people criticizing Israel's evidenced *behavior*, constantly conflating it with antisemitism, and resulting in extra-judicial material punishments. Naked power run amok.
Anywhere you would put a huge population like that, you would cause, displacement, anguish, and more innocent victims. Pre-67 borders is not without pain, I recognize that. And the deranged frenzy in the mental state of so much of the population cannot be maintained or contained within a reasonable solution. What would be an effective “de-zionification” like the de-nazification process of the end of the second World War™? I trust South Africa, haven’t gone through their truth and reconciliation process in ways that seemed unimaginable prior to the end of the apartheid regime.
The De-Nazification of Germany, et al., was a joke. We all know that. High level Nazis were simply confirmed in positions of power because none of the Allied Powers had the time, energy, or interest in ferreting out every Nazi cockroach and de-Nazifying them. What all the allied powers had was an infinite ability to ignore the rape of German women at the hands of our soldiers for years. You’re never going to de-Zionize the Israelis. It’s a waste of time to talk about it. The task of reclaiming their humanity is an individual one. Each Israeli citizen must make this decision. And a big part of that is making an admission that other human beings are their peers, and their equals, possessing human dignity and the right to live just like every Israeli. Until the Israelis drop their “chosen people” bullshit they are not going to respect anyone’s right to life. The sad fact is that Jews think they are better than everyone else. It’s how they’re raised; it’s what they’re taught; it’s what they believe.
While I would be delighted to see real justice in action, and the Israelis forced to leave Israel, we all know that is as unlikely to happen as the United States being forced back behind the Mississippi and made to cede all the lands to the Pacific Coast back to the Native Americans - a dream I confess I often indulge in. And please, before you raise your shrill objections I realize I am leaving out the tribes between the Atlantic and the Mississippi.
Anyhoo, it isn’t going to happen. Once again, no one wants them. Name me a country, with enough land to spare, that wants to take on the burden of a bunch of displaced Israelis? They would not be a welcome addition to any society. If you want to see Justice done then Israel and Palestine must become one nation, both people living together side by side, building their common future. Why a vicious ethno-state like Israel was ever allowed to come into being is a good question. No other nation on the planet claims such a right.
We could offer them some land in Texas, I suppose. Texas Evangelical Christians send the Israelis millions of dollars every year to build more illegal settlements, with the hope that in doing so, they will increase pressure in the area until it explodes in Armageddon - another stupid doctrine this one theological as opposed to political - that came out of the 19th century. Funny, isn’t it, how these toxic creeds never seem to die? The dead hand of the past weighs upon the present, and stretches into our future. As Faulkner once said: The past is never dead. It’s not even past.
I don't think Israel ever had a right to exist. It's unjust to go into a place and set up a government without the consent of the people who are already there.
Mary Wildfire: who is really safe anywhere? I am not so sure that Israelis who decided they could not live beside Palestinians would be especially safe in the US or in many other places. They would have to give up their racist attitudes to be considered safe. They would have to be cleansed of their Zionist ideology to be safe wherever they go.
They aren't racist. They just want all of Palestine. Nothing to do with race or religion. In NYC, they cheat everybody, regardless of race. Even each other.
I don't know about that. In their own enclaves, as long as they didn't act out violently, they'd be safe, seems to me. I just would hope none settle near me, we have enough racists around here already.
I've lately noticed furious work on re-scoping the Nakba, back to identifying 1920s "unprovoked" Palestinian offenses. (Hmm... where have I heard that word "unprovoked" before?)
Looks like we're in for the long haul, of course, on history re-examination. Just hope all the relevant evidence hasn't been destroyed.
I have this recollection from long ago (circa 1970) that keeps popping up unbidden into my mind these days, of a friend looking over a newspaper, then laying it down and stating, "Every time you turn around, Israel is stealing land that doesn't belong to them."
That is bullshit. 67 was a preemptive strike. The history is not what western Society has been taught to believe. Israel is extremely good at presenting a narrative that is,more often than not, a fair good distance from the truth. When necessary, they will torture individuals to back up that narrative.
Not true. In 1967, " early on the morning of June 5, Israel staged a sudden preemptive air assault that destroyed more than 90 percent Egypt’s air force on the tarmac. A similar air assault incapacitated the Syrian air force. Without cover from the air, the Egyptian army was left vulnerable to attack. Within three days the Israelis had achieved an overwhelming victory on the ground, capturing the Gaza Strip and all of the Sinai Peninsula up to the east bank of the Suez Canal."
The Hollywood Central Casting version of weak enfeebled righteous hard done by people with impossibly good looking teenaged children full of righteous vengeance DOESN’T WASH anymore
Yes, indeed. I could see them living “in piece”. a small piece and consensus of governments around the world is that it should be in pre-67 borders. That is already a huge huge concession for Palestinians. But living in peace means not harming others. Means not controlling others. There must be a guarantor between Israel and Palestine who can keep the peace. Is there such an entity?
"I really can't imagine how Israel SHOULD survive."
Before getting into any of that, it's high time, finally, to create an Israel II. Don't wait. From part of Germany, where it can make sense not just to certain Jews, but to the rest of the world, too. Given what's transpired in 79+ years, we *all* have the right to vote on this.
I'm saying that to the extent Germany, as a nation, can be judged the perp inflicting Jews greatest suffering, a sovereign nation should be created from that territory, before any other territory can or could have been justified taking from the indigenous people. Because only Antarctica is actually empty.
Most israeli's are not voicing objection to the ongoing genocide in Gaza and may want to oust Netanyahu but that's as far as it goes. No sensitive awareness to their deaths and destruction and I'm sure that includes their children. What is equally disgusting is not only is the Biden administration along with republicans supporting this genocide but now the NY Times the so called paper of record was pushing the lie by accepting extremely faulty journalism that Hamas had a sexual field day on Oct 7, The Intercept did their own investigation to dispute a paper that no longer can be trusted, no longer newsworthy and simply tells their readership what it wants to hear. Now this. Never believed it and even if true it would not lend cause to cutting off food. The US has really become a very abusive parent, since it employs the same tactics that go on in abusive homes.
I never believed it. It didn't make sense. Take the time lay down your weapon, deal with all the equipment a soldier wears, while the IDF were going to be there any second and shoot you in the back. It was a suicide mission; most said a last goodbye to family because they never would have imagined that the IDF would not be there for many hours.
Interesting, never looked at it like that, but I sometimes wonder whether Netanyahu and his right wing government, since they were forewarned, did nothing, because they wanted this to happen, and what is so obvious is they are not interested in going after hostages, but creating a genocide, ousting the Palestinians one way or another from their land which has been happening in the West Bank as well.
I think they were just "asleep at the wheel". BUT, absolutely the government of Israel does not care about the hostages. They started bombing on Oct, 7. Did they know or care where the hostages were? NO. There is a policy that was secret but is no longer secret. To kill hostages rather having to negotiate for their release. They've had to give up thousands of Palestinian prisoners to get back a few IDF military hostages.
The families of those hostages are going crazy because they KNOW about this policy. The Hannibal Directive. There is little hope. And. I am certain that Hamas is trying to keep the hostages alive in spite of bombing and very very little food or medical care available for anyone.
This is the sadistic regime my U.S. tax dollars support. But my corrupt regime has suspended UNRWA funding based on testimony obtained under torture. Shame!!!!
Forgive me for repeating what I said elsewhere, but let us, we the people, support UNRWA. If our governments won’t act in accordance with humanity, then we will. https://www.unrwausa.org/donate Let us do it to honor Aaron Bushnell, or in memory of Hind Rajab.
I would like everyone to get the tax dollars back used to fund Israel. It's crazy that we have to donate to save people we are killing. That site: why is the kid a white blue eyed blond?
I noticed that too, I think UNRWA knows that only white children get sympathy, so they either found the one blond, blue eyed child in all of Gaza, or they photoshopped a Palestinian child to look whiter. Either way, a sad admission of society's racism.
But… Your tax dollars are still buying unimaginable amounts of weapons for Israel. moreover, it is the responsibility of states under agreement made with each other in the UN, to provide for this agency. Privatization does not solve the problem.
Agreed. Conspiracies are simply things the powerful do that are in conflict with their public claims, or their silence when public knowledge is justified.
"Conspiracy theories" include MSM things like Donald Trump and the Russians, or the sources of the wet market COVID-origins theory -- simply hypotheses, good or bad, from initial evidence that call for stepwise, and perhaps thorough, examination. That large numbers of intelligent people have fallen for this idiotic trope is frightening.
The powerful are also using conspiracies against us, and each other. The anti Russia Nulands use as a smear the fact that the anti China neocons, the Trumps and Tuckers, want to get Russia on side against China (and stop support for the proxy war).
The lab leak theory was heavily promoted (and an email trail going back to 2015 cleverly laid) to keep the scary virus narrative going. A thorough investigation reveals only hype on social media, no virus at all.
The 'covid' skeptics have been heavily targeted with climate denial and conspiracies involving left wing control so that they think that driving their petrol cars, eating meat and opposing anything faintly environmentally protective is protesting against power, when it is, in fact, buying right into it.
You misunderstand what I'm saying. I agree the WEF is a vanity project of rentier capitalists meeting to greenwash themselves and appear virtuous about the environment and diversity. They have nothing to do with socialism or actually caring about the working class.
However, they have been used by the industrial complex, who fund climate denial groups such as the Heartland Institute, to scare people with 'left' policies and totalitarian control addressing what they call the 'so-called 'climate crisis''.
Here is Heartland's director Justin Haskins in the Hill in Dec 2020;
'‘In June, elites at important international institutions such as the World Economic Forum and the United Nations launched a far-reaching campaign to “reset” the global economy.
The plan involves dramatically increasing the power of government through expansive new social programs like the Green New Deal and using vast regulatory schemes and government programs to coerce corporations into supporting left-wing causes.'
Can you see how industry is using these rich elites, who only have power in their personal wealth, to scare people about all green policies, such as ULEZ, and 'left wing' control ie communism to get them protesting on industry's behalf to continue to be allowed to make lots of money and to poison the earth with impunity?
And to get some anti-China rhetoric in there at the same time?
There certainly ARE conspiracies. I'll believe what there is proof for. Not theories. I think these things are thrown out to take people's minds off things that they SHOULD be concerned about..
Right out of the American playbook and let’s be real any country or person believing anything the Zionists claim are absolutely blinded by whatever makes themselves feel better about contributing or supporting genocide. On its face some of us know it’s all lies. Akin to genocide Joe wanting to build a pier in Gaza for aide. Jokes!!! They are already moving on in!
IMPORTANT -- the full video or even an image of Aaron Bushnell‘s protest of self-burning has been completely scrubbed from Internet — probably as a “hate racist action” hence a well-coordinated censorship.
Total control by our genocidal corrupt CIA-DNC rulers...
This makes perfect sense, they wanted to create propaganda to counter the ICJ, and blaming the relief agency killed 2 birds with one stone, both keeping the Israel as victim story alive and removing an impediment to the genocide of Palestinians.
Israel tortured and killed UNRWA staff members according to the report...all to get bogus confessions...The Nazis were better behaved...the SS was looking for actual information, not just propaganda material...
It is absolutely Truth to state emphatically that the 70 years of Zionist, Apartheid Israel's claims of Victimhood and anti semitism have been nothing but tricks used to protect themselves from any scrutiny as they were committing all manner of land theft, false flag killings, and openly ethnic cleansing . That the US protects and collaborates is testament to Zionist control of US Congress and Senate. In their own words;- Shulamit Aloni, former Israel cabinet member- "anti-Semitic, It's a trick we always use it". "When from United States any criticism of Israel we call them Anti semitic. When from Europe we bring up the Holocaust ". "The organization is strong and has lots of money, with ties between Israel and US Jews". And this; "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas.”-
Benjamin Netanyahu–March 2019 as told to the Likud Party’s members of the Knesset.
When we read that Zionism has the same origins as Italian and German Fascism every horror becomes believable. Fascism was supposed to have died with Hitler, but he was only a precursor of the worst to come . Now it has metastasized throughout the west.
"If we had anything remotely like an objective news media in the western world, reports that Israel tortured United Nations staff to get them to make false statements against a UN aid agency would be the top story everywhere for days."
Yeah, but we don't have "an objective news media in the western world" or anywhere in the world at the moment, & we never have had. The news has always been controlled by TPTB (the powers that be: the morbidly rich oligarchs who effectively own & control the world we all live in) because with the current state of surveillance technology there's no escaping Big Brother. Even the less privileged oligarchs are surveilled by the more privileged to ensure that they're also being compliant & complicit & not hoarding contraband. The best way to prevent spreading damning news throughout the world is for news-outlet editors to totally ignore tales of UN staff torture to extract false statements against UNRWA & to infrequently publish on graveyard pages curated stories implying that as yet unsubstantiated allegations that UN staff were tortured to extract false claims against UNRWA are currently being investigated, and then to not follow up on the progress of those claimed investigations.
Anytime anybody utters the words “free the hostages” it must be made crystal clear that this includes all the Palestinians and UN workers and aid, workers, and journalist who have been swept up into Israel’s prison system.
If the Israelis got back all of their hostages, IMO, they would carpet bomb and raze Gaza to the ground.
That would certainly be consistent with the history of these many decades
djean111: They are already doing that, aren't they?
ABSOLUTELY. I am so sick of hearing Hamas just has to turn themselves in and give up what hostages are still alive. Then the bombing will stop. Such crap.
When this is over, the Palestinians who are left, will not be angry at Hamas, they will hate, with vengeance, the Israelis.
Well said.
T
The picture is getting more clear everyday........these scum Zionist have to go. I really can't imagine how Israel SHOULD survive. Certainly does not deserve to.
Agree! Zionists are scum. Zionism is a disease of the mind. AIPAC is a foreign agent.
I would say, Israel must be fully defanged. But then the huge challenge is who will guarantee the safety of Israeli civilians? And who will guarantee the safety of Palestinian civilians with so many rabid paramilitary extremists reveling in blood lust?
I think that Israel has forfeited its right to exist, and he land should revert to Palestine and belong to Palestinians--and whatever percentage of Jews want to remain and are capable to living in harmony with Palestinian neighbors (10%?) The rest of the Israelis should be refugees, allowed to bring belongings to whatever countries they go to. I don't believe they are only safe in Israel--I think they'd be safer in the US and many other countries.
Not only that, but you shouldn't forfeit your *livelihood* and *safety* for voicing this opinion, which, in the US at least, is an absolute right. This shit is, this year certainly, reaching a frightening climax, with widespread witchhunts after people criticizing Israel's evidenced *behavior*, constantly conflating it with antisemitism, and resulting in extra-judicial material punishments. Naked power run amok.
Anywhere you would put a huge population like that, you would cause, displacement, anguish, and more innocent victims. Pre-67 borders is not without pain, I recognize that. And the deranged frenzy in the mental state of so much of the population cannot be maintained or contained within a reasonable solution. What would be an effective “de-zionification” like the de-nazification process of the end of the second World War™? I trust South Africa, haven’t gone through their truth and reconciliation process in ways that seemed unimaginable prior to the end of the apartheid regime.
Doesn’t let you correct a post, but South Africa, having gone through…
The De-Nazification of Germany, et al., was a joke. We all know that. High level Nazis were simply confirmed in positions of power because none of the Allied Powers had the time, energy, or interest in ferreting out every Nazi cockroach and de-Nazifying them. What all the allied powers had was an infinite ability to ignore the rape of German women at the hands of our soldiers for years. You’re never going to de-Zionize the Israelis. It’s a waste of time to talk about it. The task of reclaiming their humanity is an individual one. Each Israeli citizen must make this decision. And a big part of that is making an admission that other human beings are their peers, and their equals, possessing human dignity and the right to live just like every Israeli. Until the Israelis drop their “chosen people” bullshit they are not going to respect anyone’s right to life. The sad fact is that Jews think they are better than everyone else. It’s how they’re raised; it’s what they’re taught; it’s what they believe.
While I would be delighted to see real justice in action, and the Israelis forced to leave Israel, we all know that is as unlikely to happen as the United States being forced back behind the Mississippi and made to cede all the lands to the Pacific Coast back to the Native Americans - a dream I confess I often indulge in. And please, before you raise your shrill objections I realize I am leaving out the tribes between the Atlantic and the Mississippi.
Anyhoo, it isn’t going to happen. Once again, no one wants them. Name me a country, with enough land to spare, that wants to take on the burden of a bunch of displaced Israelis? They would not be a welcome addition to any society. If you want to see Justice done then Israel and Palestine must become one nation, both people living together side by side, building their common future. Why a vicious ethno-state like Israel was ever allowed to come into being is a good question. No other nation on the planet claims such a right.
We could offer them some land in Texas, I suppose. Texas Evangelical Christians send the Israelis millions of dollars every year to build more illegal settlements, with the hope that in doing so, they will increase pressure in the area until it explodes in Armageddon - another stupid doctrine this one theological as opposed to political - that came out of the 19th century. Funny, isn’t it, how these toxic creeds never seem to die? The dead hand of the past weighs upon the present, and stretches into our future. As Faulkner once said: The past is never dead. It’s not even past.
I don't think Israel ever had a right to exist. It's unjust to go into a place and set up a government without the consent of the people who are already there.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
At this point I have to agree with you, Mary.
To think that ISrael was (literally!) given to theJews so they wouldn't have to live as minorities in countries that rejected them!
Every country rejected them.
Mary Wildfire: who is really safe anywhere? I am not so sure that Israelis who decided they could not live beside Palestinians would be especially safe in the US or in many other places. They would have to give up their racist attitudes to be considered safe. They would have to be cleansed of their Zionist ideology to be safe wherever they go.
They aren't racist. They just want all of Palestine. Nothing to do with race or religion. In NYC, they cheat everybody, regardless of race. Even each other.
I don't know about that. In their own enclaves, as long as they didn't act out violently, they'd be safe, seems to me. I just would hope none settle near me, we have enough racists around here already.
I've lately noticed furious work on re-scoping the Nakba, back to identifying 1920s "unprovoked" Palestinian offenses. (Hmm... where have I heard that word "unprovoked" before?)
Looks like we're in for the long haul, of course, on history re-examination. Just hope all the relevant evidence hasn't been destroyed.
I have this recollection from long ago (circa 1970) that keeps popping up unbidden into my mind these days, of a friend looking over a newspaper, then laying it down and stating, "Every time you turn around, Israel is stealing land that doesn't belong to them."
There were no 'Palestinians' in the 1920s, only inhabitants of a British colony.
This is simply false.
That is bullshit. 67 was a preemptive strike. The history is not what western Society has been taught to believe. Israel is extremely good at presenting a narrative that is,more often than not, a fair good distance from the truth. When necessary, they will torture individuals to back up that narrative.
Not true. In 1967, " early on the morning of June 5, Israel staged a sudden preemptive air assault that destroyed more than 90 percent Egypt’s air force on the tarmac. A similar air assault incapacitated the Syrian air force. Without cover from the air, the Egyptian army was left vulnerable to attack. Within three days the Israelis had achieved an overwhelming victory on the ground, capturing the Gaza Strip and all of the Sinai Peninsula up to the east bank of the Suez Canal."
Wow, that must be some good stuff you’re smoking. Please put the crack pipe down.🤣😂
The Hollywood Central Casting version of weak enfeebled righteous hard done by people with impossibly good looking teenaged children full of righteous vengeance DOESN’T WASH anymore
Duh...so Palestinians have 57 years worth of pay back to the Israeli...
BLOOD LUSTERS
A bit of history there...57 years worth...bye bye
How many pieces?
😂
Yes, indeed. I could see them living “in piece”. a small piece and consensus of governments around the world is that it should be in pre-67 borders. That is already a huge huge concession for Palestinians. But living in peace means not harming others. Means not controlling others. There must be a guarantor between Israel and Palestine who can keep the peace. Is there such an entity?
"I really can't imagine how Israel SHOULD survive."
Before getting into any of that, it's high time, finally, to create an Israel II. Don't wait. From part of Germany, where it can make sense not just to certain Jews, but to the rest of the world, too. Given what's transpired in 79+ years, we *all* have the right to vote on this.
I'd thought about the east coast of Russia.
Maybe that's another good candidate. Certainly low density like much of Canada.
I don't understand this?
I'm saying that to the extent Germany, as a nation, can be judged the perp inflicting Jews greatest suffering, a sovereign nation should be created from that territory, before any other territory can or could have been justified taking from the indigenous people. Because only Antarctica is actually empty.
Interesting idea. How long before there will be war between both sides?
Considering on the whole the US is keeping them going how about a state in the US?
Zionism has got to go. Zionists can get therapy. Or whatever it is they do to clear minds when people escape a cult
Most israeli's are not voicing objection to the ongoing genocide in Gaza and may want to oust Netanyahu but that's as far as it goes. No sensitive awareness to their deaths and destruction and I'm sure that includes their children. What is equally disgusting is not only is the Biden administration along with republicans supporting this genocide but now the NY Times the so called paper of record was pushing the lie by accepting extremely faulty journalism that Hamas had a sexual field day on Oct 7, The Intercept did their own investigation to dispute a paper that no longer can be trusted, no longer newsworthy and simply tells their readership what it wants to hear. Now this. Never believed it and even if true it would not lend cause to cutting off food. The US has really become a very abusive parent, since it employs the same tactics that go on in abusive homes.
I never believed it. It didn't make sense. Take the time lay down your weapon, deal with all the equipment a soldier wears, while the IDF were going to be there any second and shoot you in the back. It was a suicide mission; most said a last goodbye to family because they never would have imagined that the IDF would not be there for many hours.
Interesting, never looked at it like that, but I sometimes wonder whether Netanyahu and his right wing government, since they were forewarned, did nothing, because they wanted this to happen, and what is so obvious is they are not interested in going after hostages, but creating a genocide, ousting the Palestinians one way or another from their land which has been happening in the West Bank as well.
I think they were just "asleep at the wheel". BUT, absolutely the government of Israel does not care about the hostages. They started bombing on Oct, 7. Did they know or care where the hostages were? NO. There is a policy that was secret but is no longer secret. To kill hostages rather having to negotiate for their release. They've had to give up thousands of Palestinian prisoners to get back a few IDF military hostages.
The families of those hostages are going crazy because they KNOW about this policy. The Hannibal Directive. There is little hope. And. I am certain that Hamas is trying to keep the hostages alive in spite of bombing and very very little food or medical care available for anyone.
SEE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
You can stop wondering. You are right; they don't care.
This is the sadistic regime my U.S. tax dollars support. But my corrupt regime has suspended UNRWA funding based on testimony obtained under torture. Shame!!!!
Forgive me for repeating what I said elsewhere, but let us, we the people, support UNRWA. If our governments won’t act in accordance with humanity, then we will. https://www.unrwausa.org/donate Let us do it to honor Aaron Bushnell, or in memory of Hind Rajab.
I’ve been donating money every paycheck
I would like everyone to get the tax dollars back used to fund Israel. It's crazy that we have to donate to save people we are killing. That site: why is the kid a white blue eyed blond?
I noticed that too, I think UNRWA knows that only white children get sympathy, so they either found the one blond, blue eyed child in all of Gaza, or they photoshopped a Palestinian child to look whiter. Either way, a sad admission of society's racism.
white blue eyed blond children don't need donations; they get adopted!
it was just a nice looking kid probably from the photographer's community.
But… Your tax dollars are still buying unimaginable amounts of weapons for Israel. moreover, it is the responsibility of states under agreement made with each other in the UN, to provide for this agency. Privatization does not solve the problem.
Every time you think we've hit bottom....
“If you don’t believe in conspiracies, you do not understand the United States government — at all.” -- Jeffrey Sachs
Given that Israel is an integral part of the US government, Professor Sachs' statement implicitly includes Israel.
Agreed. Conspiracies are simply things the powerful do that are in conflict with their public claims, or their silence when public knowledge is justified.
"Conspiracy theories" include MSM things like Donald Trump and the Russians, or the sources of the wet market COVID-origins theory -- simply hypotheses, good or bad, from initial evidence that call for stepwise, and perhaps thorough, examination. That large numbers of intelligent people have fallen for this idiotic trope is frightening.
The powerful are also using conspiracies against us, and each other. The anti Russia Nulands use as a smear the fact that the anti China neocons, the Trumps and Tuckers, want to get Russia on side against China (and stop support for the proxy war).
The lab leak theory was heavily promoted (and an email trail going back to 2015 cleverly laid) to keep the scary virus narrative going. A thorough investigation reveals only hype on social media, no virus at all.
The 'covid' skeptics have been heavily targeted with climate denial and conspiracies involving left wing control so that they think that driving their petrol cars, eating meat and opposing anything faintly environmentally protective is protesting against power, when it is, in fact, buying right into it.
Hiya Mango,
You misunderstand what I'm saying. I agree the WEF is a vanity project of rentier capitalists meeting to greenwash themselves and appear virtuous about the environment and diversity. They have nothing to do with socialism or actually caring about the working class.
However, they have been used by the industrial complex, who fund climate denial groups such as the Heartland Institute, to scare people with 'left' policies and totalitarian control addressing what they call the 'so-called 'climate crisis''.
Here is Heartland's director Justin Haskins in the Hill in Dec 2020;
'‘In June, elites at important international institutions such as the World Economic Forum and the United Nations launched a far-reaching campaign to “reset” the global economy.
The plan involves dramatically increasing the power of government through expansive new social programs like the Green New Deal and using vast regulatory schemes and government programs to coerce corporations into supporting left-wing causes.'
Can you see how industry is using these rich elites, who only have power in their personal wealth, to scare people about all green policies, such as ULEZ, and 'left wing' control ie communism to get them protesting on industry's behalf to continue to be allowed to make lots of money and to poison the earth with impunity?
And to get some anti-China rhetoric in there at the same time?
"you'll own nothing and be happy"
Ironically, Marxists say/imply the same thing. What they have in common is concentration of power. Wealth is just one of the ways it's done.
Israel is the Deep State.
There certainly ARE conspiracies. I'll believe what there is proof for. Not theories. I think these things are thrown out to take people's minds off things that they SHOULD be concerned about..
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories
Israel is reaching new lows all the time. Just when you think they can't go any lower...
That's probably something you shouldn't think.
Whatever happened to just "making shit up" and the MSM goes along with the charade?
Apparently human torture is more fun.
Right out of the American playbook and let’s be real any country or person believing anything the Zionists claim are absolutely blinded by whatever makes themselves feel better about contributing or supporting genocide. On its face some of us know it’s all lies. Akin to genocide Joe wanting to build a pier in Gaza for aide. Jokes!!! They are already moving on in!
IMPORTANT -- the full video or even an image of Aaron Bushnell‘s protest of self-burning has been completely scrubbed from Internet — probably as a “hate racist action” hence a well-coordinated censorship.
Total control by our genocidal corrupt CIA-DNC rulers...
That these people have this level of control over the Internet now is Orwellian.
One of Caitlin's articles points to Wikipedia, where an article and image currently remains. Worth downloading, anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation_of_Aaron_Bushnell
Thank you -- I am not very skilled... ;-((
This makes perfect sense, they wanted to create propaganda to counter the ICJ, and blaming the relief agency killed 2 birds with one stone, both keeping the Israel as victim story alive and removing an impediment to the genocide of Palestinians.
Israel tortured and killed UNRWA staff members according to the report...all to get bogus confessions...The Nazis were better behaved...the SS was looking for actual information, not just propaganda material...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS3HOEss9rk
I just started watching this, a Max Blumenthal talk on the genocide democrats. I'm sure he will also have some choice words for the Republicans.
It is absolutely Truth to state emphatically that the 70 years of Zionist, Apartheid Israel's claims of Victimhood and anti semitism have been nothing but tricks used to protect themselves from any scrutiny as they were committing all manner of land theft, false flag killings, and openly ethnic cleansing . That the US protects and collaborates is testament to Zionist control of US Congress and Senate. In their own words;- Shulamit Aloni, former Israel cabinet member- "anti-Semitic, It's a trick we always use it". "When from United States any criticism of Israel we call them Anti semitic. When from Europe we bring up the Holocaust ". "The organization is strong and has lots of money, with ties between Israel and US Jews". And this; "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas.”-
Benjamin Netanyahu–March 2019 as told to the Likud Party’s members of the Knesset.
When we read that Zionism has the same origins as Italian and German Fascism every horror becomes believable. Fascism was supposed to have died with Hitler, but he was only a precursor of the worst to come . Now it has metastasized throughout the west.
"If we had anything remotely like an objective news media in the western world, reports that Israel tortured United Nations staff to get them to make false statements against a UN aid agency would be the top story everywhere for days."
Yeah, but we don't have "an objective news media in the western world" or anywhere in the world at the moment, & we never have had. The news has always been controlled by TPTB (the powers that be: the morbidly rich oligarchs who effectively own & control the world we all live in) because with the current state of surveillance technology there's no escaping Big Brother. Even the less privileged oligarchs are surveilled by the more privileged to ensure that they're also being compliant & complicit & not hoarding contraband. The best way to prevent spreading damning news throughout the world is for news-outlet editors to totally ignore tales of UN staff torture to extract false statements against UNRWA & to infrequently publish on graveyard pages curated stories implying that as yet unsubstantiated allegations that UN staff were tortured to extract false claims against UNRWA are currently being investigated, and then to not follow up on the progress of those claimed investigations.
Israel is discovering what it can get away with: everything.