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Hiya Mango,

You misunderstand what I'm saying. I agree the WEF is a vanity project of rentier capitalists meeting to greenwash themselves and appear virtuous about the environment and diversity. They have nothing to do with socialism or actually caring about the working class.

However, they have been used by the industrial complex, who fund climate denial groups such as the Heartland Institute, to scare people with 'left' policies and totalitarian control addressing what they call the 'so-called 'climate crisis''.

Here is Heartland's director Justin Haskins in the Hill in Dec 2020;

'‘In June, elites at important international institutions such as the World Economic Forum and the United Nations launched a far-reaching campaign to “reset” the global economy.

The plan involves dramatically increasing the power of government through expansive new social programs like the Green New Deal and using vast regulatory schemes and government programs to coerce corporations into supporting left-wing causes.'

Can you see how industry is using these rich elites, who only have power in their personal wealth, to scare people about all green policies, such as ULEZ, and 'left wing' control ie communism to get them protesting on industry's behalf to continue to be allowed to make lots of money and to poison the earth with impunity?

And to get some anti-China rhetoric in there at the same time?

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"you'll own nothing and be happy"

Ironically, Marxists say/imply the same thing. What they have in common is concentration of power. Wealth is just one of the ways it's done.

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In a spiritual sense, i think owning nothing probably does make you happy. I don't think the loonies at the WEF are happy at all.

All these hypocritical statements from the WEF about what we will own and about eating 'ze bugs' (a ridiculous 2012 idea shelved for being ridiculous and unnecessary) have been deliberately placed for us to sneer at and to smear everything 'left' wing and all things vegan, environmental, compassionate and protective of the earth against the military industrial complex. Industry is of course behind and controlling this social media campaign setting up the WEF as stooges bent on total control and genocide and everyone I know in health freedom has fallen for it.

It's very frustrating.

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As you point out about private finance, we have yet to find a way to keep "common ownership" both democratic and stable. Meanwhile, communist style systems are not democratic.

I'm not against common ownership, and am in fact a Leftist. I'm just saying that history thus far has shown that common ownership is not sufficiently stable to survive uncorrupted for decades. I don't have an idea at this point of the solution going forward. There is an inherent contradiction in the idea of powerless-becoming-powerful. Powerful leaders emerging from the powerless always, eventually, abuse (their own) powerless. I'm convinced it's at the root of the problem. The best I can come up with is that, somehow, the powerful must not be allowed to concentrate as sociopaths.

Since the definitions of Left and Right have gone FUBAR anyway in the West, I now use this one: Right prioritizes freedom, or individual functioning. Largely in reaction to the dysfunctions of unrestrained freedom of large populations, Left prioritizes fairness, or group/social/cooperative functioning. Both kinds are necessary to a healthy, large-population society. That's why forced 2-party systems like the US form perpetually into (ostensibly) Left and Right buckets.

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