Do a similar critique of media - e.g. NPR let Netanyahu rant, lie and call Palestinians animals unrebutted for several minutes yesterday morning. It was disgusting.
Some decades ago NPR got a corporatized CEO. Shortly afterwards, a gentleman progressively oriented news man was suddenly fired from his early morning program. Then, later on NPR iniatiated their “non-commercial” commercials regularly chewing up time. Concomitantly, News hosts interviewing “experts and notables” somehow forgot to mention those beacons of truth and wisdom were from the Federalist Society and various right-wing think tanks. And when listening carefully to reportage you came increasingly aware of greater and more frequent sins of omission. So the picture given you was snagged in certain directions like a fun house mirror where you body contorts and stretches in weird exaggerated movements. I was angry about the deceits for a long time and wrote letters. Then, with sadness I simply accepted the consequence of corporatization is purposeful distortion in service of mammon in lieu of service to civic integrity. Always —Inc. in the manner it operates today —-cheapens, fowls, and degrades “right relationship” with anything animate and inanimate. Like someone wise said. You cannot serve both Mammon and God.(mystery, life source, creativity, the great Thou…).
The people you hear on NPR are members of SAG/AFTRA and they just read the scripts they are given as convincingly as they can, as they portray professional journalists they will never be.
You clearly are blinded by some weird abject and irrational fear of the word "communist". I can't think of any country on earth right now that actually fits the definition of communist.
I used to really like NPR but finally recognized that they are just a propaganda tool like cable news but the best at hiding it with their soft tones and over acted stance on social change. I literally can’t tolerate listening to them for more than 10 min. I start to yell at my radio at the stupidity and obvious attempt to push a narrative
I have a friend who wrote her dissertation at home with NPR on in the background. Decades ago. I remember when I too perceived it as a comfort and a bulwark against for-profit news corporations. I was slapped into reality several years ago and now I look back and scratch my head. How could I have been so dumb?!
But you could set your watch by it if you know the line-up of the daily shows! And each show has signature music. And each show has hosts who have been taught to speak “public radio” and they have the correct vocabularies and intonations. It all sounds very different to these elements used on corporate tv—music, vocabulary, intonation, etc. if you’ve ever been stuck in an American airport departure lounge for several hours, it’s almost impossible to avoid!
I'm not really familiar with that side of NPR. I do remember being shocked when an NPR station reporting on the war against Serbia went totally us-against-them jingoistic, as if they were broadcasting from an American Legion post in Indiana. A very small war by modern standards, but I think that was when I realized I couldn't listen to them any more. Before that I had been listening to WNYC, a pre-NPR public radio station.
NPR and PBS are covertly owned and operated by the CPB, which was created as a public non-profit corporation to do the same things in propaganda that the similar Federal Reserve Board was created to do to the nation's currency.
Well, the tongue in cheek name for NPR (i.e. Natiomal 🦍 Pentagon Radio) has a LOT of truth to it, so technically speaking, it is more a part of the 😈 MIC than of the 🐍 MSM.
The Old IDF "Hamas Command and Control Center" TRICK IS NOT WORKIN'
NPR is repulsive - nothing "public" about them, and that's been true since the 70s. Now that con is fully out there for all to see. Look at who their corporate funders are! I think they're worse than mainstream commercial media because their entire posturing is such a lie. And there's so many things they refuse to address, or that they will bring up only one side of.
They've got a very definite agenda, and it's NOT public information.
In 2022, NPR received only 12% ($16,268,014) of its revenue from individual donations, and 39% ($135,292,987) of its revenue from corporate sponsors. Obviously, it is corporate radio, not public radio.
Anyone who listens to NPR frequently (as I do) will notice that they sell and carry advertising which is different in one important way from that carried by commercial broadcasters.
"They've got a very definite agenda, and it's NOT public information."
Amen. I it were "public", it would be *continually seeking* to understand its audience and any changes that occur in it, then transmitting crystalized and coherent summaries of those findings back to that audience as well as to elites.
Public in its majority approves the US policies if elections and polls are to be taken seriously. Since NPR does too, then it follows that it reflects the public's sentiment. It is public in the same sense that Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc are.
People still listen to NPR? I quit after the "All things Considered," news wench gushed about how "sexy" Rumsfeld looked on the eve of "shock and awe" over 20 years ago.
Exactly. And thank you. There were some in the yuppie era who never bought the corporate bs. They’ve had a hard time—but now is their reward and we can start to see clearly now.
The Church That Pushed TFG # 45 raised my ire in the process. Ignorance, lack of critical thinking, & fear of progress made me leave with FEW REGRETS, & the GOP is too busy shooting itself in the nether regions.
Ernesto Che - Are you a mind reader ? I posted something quite similar to this, including the idea that Zionists read MEIN KAMPF a few minutes ago !
Christians & political conservatives are all - too - willing to give them a pass, a golden ticket because they're " God's Country ", " The Promised Land ", blah, blah, blah. As if that relieves them from any responsibility. I don't buy it anymore. & I trust them as much as the GOP & Joel Osteen.
Welcome Daniel. You are one of the “wins” for freedom that the Gazan people are getting for their sacrifice. As horrible as this all is, it’s making a massive difference in perception in the world. Now I pray perception change will lead to action and change.
Roughly 2 decades ago, I might've been completely different. I HOPE that I've changed for the better, really.
I hope that SOMETHING positive arises from this mess, like, ah, new, more humane leadership rather than Zionism backed by rabid conservatives & God - bothering Evangelicals.
2 people among myriads who are SICK of all the crap about Israel & " the evil, terrible Palestinians ". I've started muting these late night infomercials ( ? ) put on the airwaves by The Fellowship of Christians & Jews because of undisguised bias. If ONLY they wouldn't demonize Palestinians.....
1 Netanyahu is not a spokesperson for the Israeli people. BE very careful what you say.
2.It's becoming obvious to me that 'stupid' people are making all kinds of comments which are not accurate. STOP this now.
3. The Israeli people were protesting against Netanyahu for at least a month before this war started. Netanyahu is not Israel he is a right wing fanatic trying to stay out of Prison.
4. Do you know anything about Orthodox Jews? If not look it up.
5. The ignorance of American people is very telling in these comments.
Read and understand what is happening in Israel and I think you may find that the US Government is using them.
Did you know for instance that the oil found off the Gaza coast is now in the hands of Israel?America?
WHY does the US support Israel? Look it up. We are talking about who controls Oil?
Jenny - I m not "stupid" and the sources I read and rely on are Norm Finkelstein, Llan Pappe, Chris Hedges, Rashid Khalidi, Edward Said, Alistair Crooke, Max Blumenthal, The Duran, and Scott Ritter.
Sadly, see my prior comment about Netanyahu. The Israeli State was oppressing and conducting genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing on the Palestinians long before Netanyahu came to power. The current right wing government just took the mask off the historical project. The US interests in middle east oil are far broader than the Palestinian catastrophe and even Israel, so please don'y try to use that as cover.
Yes, the Israeli State has been committing war crimes for decades, but right now it is Netanyahu and I don't think that a maniac like that should be considered to be speaking for the people of Israel or anyone other than whatever other murderous cronies he has on his side.
"4. Do you know anything about Orthodox Jews? If not look it up."
Hi Jennifer, I understand there are Orthodox Jews who are against the very concept of the state of Israel. Is that not true? If it is true, which factions exist, what are there populations, and where are they (if concentrated)? Thanks
Hopefully dim Americans will realise who is in charge of Israel. It is not the general Israeli people who have been protesting AGAINST Netanyahu for months before this began. What did Net. do.
Allow Hamas to come into Israel, taking people's minds away from his deplorable ethics.
He is wanted on several charges of fraud and bribery. He wanted to change the Judicial system in Israel.
READ and learn before submitting stupid comments.
I thought you had free speech in the US but you want to shut down this rant.
Sorry Jenny, you are an Israeli apologist. This is not a problem of an individual (i.e. Netanyahu) or even the Orthodox Jews. It is the Zionist State of Israel, which is an apartheid colonial settler nation implementing "Nakba 2.0". The polls I've seen of the Israeli people show strong support for the Gaza genocide, and the social media garbage many Israeli people are posting is obscene.
But never so blatantly, never so openly or harshly ... this is pure evil and I would suggest part (somehow) of the globalist agenda.
Distraction from the Ukraine CF, depopulation, land, wealth and asset (especially gas) grab, shoving a couple of million real refugees into the EU and UK, Greater Israel project, WWIII (Muslim vs Zionist) and on and on...
Meanwhile, whilst we are all watching, anyone notice that the Pakistanis are kicking out all illegal refugees from the Afghan war (Afganis) and guess where they are coming over to ?.
My favorite incident(s) from our "war on terror" was when we delibrately targetted hospitals with Doctors Without Borders- multiple times. Even used a C-130 gunship.
And - neither Israel nor the US gives an aerial intercourse about what the rest of us think regarding those fifteen things. In fact, I get the feeling they are points of pride, with a soupçon of irritation over bad press and possible election fallout.
By this point they have full control of elections. It won't matter if particular names fall. The replacements will continue doing what needs to be done.
Found a new context for the slogan “Never Again”. It’s for the unrelenting mind-blowing atrocities of the despicable Zion state against the helpless Palestinians. Hope this energizes the non-Western useless speechifying to action!! “ Never Again”. Let’s remind Israel of how that feels!
While I'm aware that this comment opens me up to all sorts of rebound hatred, it naturally flows from psychological logic, reinforced by certain videos of mass support for IDF actions by groups of Israeli citizens (and their US Zionist counterparts) I begin to think that the collective scars of the European holocaust were/are so deep and pervasive in the Zionist psyche of Israeli society that the ultimate outcome is a society trapped in a mass psychosis of self-justifiable torture and murder. and when I hear that "Israel has a right to defend itself", I quickly morph that thought to: If that mass psychosis is real, Israel doesn't even have a right to exist as an equal partner among nations. And then, to be fair, I must apply that same metric to my own country, the good ol' US of A. But that latter thought has been with me for decades now.
Conquistadors, missionaries, slave owners, people who passed out diseased blankets on Native American reservations..... AND it's mainly monotheistic religions.
It's clear to me that the Abrahamic tradition of Eye-of-Sauron monster gods is the Mother of all Psy-Ops. Absolutely nothing compares to its psychic power, even after the rather withering onslaught of the half-millenium Enlightenment.
They have quite a vice grip on most Western cultures. I ENVY Europe because Thoth bless them ( ! ) they're pursuing a secular mindset / way of life. They are shaking the shackles of archaic belief systems. That isn't a SMALL ACHIEVEMENT. The 1st sentient AI will question most human belief systems, as will any possible ETs whose attention is attracted to us, for some reason.
I should've also mentioned the deep psychosis entailed in the Hannibal directive by which Israel kills its own to sustain some twisted pieces of veneer to its policies. Well covered by Max Blumenthal in a Hedges interview
Not only Jews were holocausted in Nazi Germany, but many Germans too: communists, socialists, alcoholics, the disabled, gypsies, vagabonds, gay, Jehova's Witnesses, other Christians, feminists, intellectuals, artists, musicians...the collective scars of the holocaust are so deep in Germany's and Europe's psyche, that even the word "nation" should be forbidden.
What do those crimes against outcasts have to do with nationhood, and needing to forbid it? This is a very strange POV to me. I think that at the beginning of the French Revolution they had it right: Liberty (Rightism), Equality (Leftism), and Fraternity (at root, shared identity as a people).
None of these, or any other, components of a nation, properly constituted -- yes, including "communists, socialists, alcoholics, the disabled, gypsies, vagabonds, gay, Jehova's Witnesses, other Christians, feminists", etc. etc. -- need be exiled. To foment do so is a perversion of idea of "Fraternite".
But then, it was Marx that began setting internal components of nation at (supposed necessary) war -- no longer negotiation -- with each other, and the rest has been a very sorry history.
Cher citoyen! If there is a nation, it would be defined by identity. The 'outcasts' were not outcast at all, but they provided identity: the markets, the music, books, art, language, religion. After the holocaust, culture was kitsch. False identity for everyone.
National borders however, are traditionally made by militarists. A real national identity has fractal borders like an island: the more you zoom in, the longer is its coastline. The coastline paradox. Israel has a fractal Palestine inside of it, besides kibbuzim, and are these not communist?
"Workers of the world, unite!" was a *war* cry. And with it, Marx hijacked Leftism. Leftism is about democracy (the "egalite" AND "fraternite" parts of the French motto) at its most fundamental. Democracy requires eternal, open-minded fluidity in politics, not rigid dogma.
Marx likes to speak of alienation. However, for him alienation (in the relatively new industrialization) not only occurs (explicitly) in the divorce of product from use. It also occurs (implicitly) in the fact that the parties -- worker and owner -- to the crime of property alienation were *themselves* alienated from each other. The destruction of national fraternity led to a "crystalized" alienation of citizen from citizen.
The latter didn't have to occur. But, IMO, Marxists *wanted* it to occur, to create an army of the powerless under their thumbs. This was implemented eventually under Lenin and his vanguards, and we all know how that cry of "power to the people" worked out, not only in Russia, but as well in nearly *all* similar efforts of the twentieth century. That's what happens when you foment a war and create a power vacuum without explaining what you're doing. "Oh, wow, *we* the vanguard will fill that vacuum! Don't worry your pretty little heads over it, soldiers-slash-worker bees!"
Now, since roughly the 50s, when the population of unherdable class-cats (that is, who migrate between classes) started going out of fashion, this so-called "Left" have the bright idea of separating people not by mutable characteristics (class), but by *immutable* ones (all the embedded identities of humans), whipped up and organized by the vanguard inheritors of Marxism. Does this sound like a way to "bring people together"?
Any diatribe about Marx that does not even mention capitalism or economic class is either incredibly ignorant or based on anti-Marxist propaganda, and not even well done propaganda at that.
"alienation ... in the divorce of product from use" [I should have said "production" here]
"worker and owner"
"unherdable class-cats (that is, who migrate between classes)"
i.e. Did I not identify that there are problems with class? There's not a lot one can cover in a handful of paragraphs -- especially when pointing out a different problem.
So, what are some great new insights about class today, that will be just the trick to turn the world around to an actually *viable* solution? Hint: We Leftists are barking up the wrong tree. We need to figure out better how societies actually work. If Marx himself actually understood, then we have to ask about his motives.
Just because Marx identified class (and eloquently) didn't mean he knew what to do about it. We in the 21st century have the great advantage of seeing what happened when his followers attempted to implement a revolt, and *dozens* of times. In my opinion, this is in large part based on a rigid *war* attitude, of implacable us-vs.-them, my team right or wrong, and of fight-to-the-death. It is this same war mindset that infects modern societies to this day. Made sense, maybe, in existential confrontations between hunter-gatherer bands tens and hundreds of thousands of years ago. But the only war needed *today* is to quarantine sociopaths/psychopaths -- they're the true enemies of society, and they're found everywhere. We need to put our thinking caps on.
So, it's past high time to step out of this box. I'd like to recognize that Leftism (social fairness), Rightism (individualist freedom), and Nationhood (societal belonging) are all pieces of the same puzzle of how to run a society.
I mean that as in geographic -- and in consequence, language, culture, etc. -- realms, where it has been natural and near-universal for a very long time. That is, since the dawn of agriculture. But where that goes awry, then, it seems, there can be problems.
As a moral argument, I think you have a point. As a practical argument, it’s not practical to go back in time. Some things can’t be undone and now you have a moral and practical conundrum. Both have a right to exist now regardless of history and both have innocent people to consider in a resolution
No. They most certainly do NOT have a right to exist and they never did. This is like arguing that Nazi Germany should have a right to exist since they existed in the 1930s. Da fuk is wrong with you. Israel hasn't existed since 322 BC when Alexander the Great eliminated them. Fuck that idea. It's psychotic and delusional.
"Da Fuk" can't you see that Israel is committing a genocide right fucking now. That's not "defense". You're like arguing that Hitler, or any other mass-murdering dictatorial monster just "had to do what he had to do" or else they'd be defeated. Are you abjectly stupid, or just evil? Humans have been forced to get along RATHER THAN SLAUGHTER EACH OTHER for fucking ever. And if the Israelis get slaughtered, guess whose fault that will be -- THEIR OWN. The Palestinians let them migrate there is the 40's, sympathetic to their suffering in the Holocaust, then the fucking "Israelis" turned the tables on them, as if they had learned from Hitler's techniques rather than decided to condemn them forever as the rest of the world had. The Israelis are the new Reich. They are literally fascists and Nazis; hell, Albert Einstein even called them out on that. So you can take your Nazi-apologia and GTFO of here.
They should have listed to Einstein and his other Jewish friends who wrote the following typo the NYT decades ago:
Answer your own question you lying piece of shit. "Israel" started this and they can end it. "Israel" can either work for peace or they can get DESTROYED. Or are you so stupid and/or indoctrinated that you can't see this. You're arguing that Hitler had to keep going or else he'd get wiped out. Well guess what, wiping out Hitler was the only way to end it. Sadly, Nazis were imported into the US after the war, and that shit lives on, both in the US and "Israel". It's time to truly wipe out Nazism.
I will—how about making them live in one state where all rights and duties are shared by all citizens with a real constitution (Israel doesn’t have one) and is a protectorate of the UN outside the security council. Wipe “Israel” off the map just as we should pull down all the confederate statues put up in the 1920’s and claimed as “heritage” by the murderous South.
Hahahahahahaha. Excellent. And completely right. In the US its not what is done it’s who is doing it that counts. So, if T-tump were doing what Bigone is doing, they would be war crimes.
They became war crimes with the signing of the Geneva Convention on August 12, 1949.
But as someone pointed out, in order for this operation to be a war, Hamas would need to have an actual military. They are not at war against another's army, they are leveling a neighborhood where 2.2 million people live.
Only when world power is multipolar (I.e decentralized) and finally recognizing that it’s better to collaborate as a species, share resources, and still compete with each other fairly and humanely. The first will force treaties that have teeth
It’s already happening and you’re right, rich people are trying to stop that by using poor countries and poor people for destabilizing wars. They don’t want stable competition
Makes one wonder just who are the “human animals”. Oh let’s change that to “monsters”; ANIMALS are much better humans than the current IsraHelli crop of insane murderers.
In the meanwhile, THANK YOU 🇧🇿 BELIZE for severing all ties with the apartheid quasi-nation!
Thank you. Yes, I hate it when people, who are the most destructive and vicious sentient beings on the planet, project their own hatefulness and evil onto animals. Gimme a break! If people "acted like animals" in reality, none of this would be happening.
Animals ( or four-legged sentient beings, as I prefer to call them) do not commit crimes, wage war, or find pleasure in killing.
I saw a recent video that broke my heart. Two kittens in Gaza were huddled against a wall, clutching each other as bombs rattled the background. These kittens deserve to live far more than any IsraHelli “soldier”!
Unfortunately, chimpanzees, who are 99.9% like us, do wage war, literally tearing the babies of the “enemy” limb from limb. We have a long way to go to outgrow our wickedness but it isn’t savagery, it’s humanoid.
Bonobos are also genetically similar primates (to us and chimps) who live peacefully and cooperate with others. Humans are capable of choosing peaceful, cooperative behavior.
Yes, exactly and thank you for reminding me. I love Bonobos. I read that their go to for soothing another is sex, that they have sex all the time!!! So 2 things—1) The church and it’s hatred of sex is responsible for all the West’s wars and B) the Hippies were right—make love, not war. Hope that comes back!!! 😁😆😇
Also, Colombia, Hundurus, Jordan, TURKEY, South Africa, Bolivia, Chile, Chad, Bahrain. That means these countries are also defying US!!! It’s a great start.
In a way it makes me glad that our Resident is such a slack mouthed, empty eyed fool—it makes the world feel more free to dump their loyalty to the US when they see his duffle butt shuffling along concentrating on not stumbling. That and Pluto in Aquarius!
I believe they protesting against Netanyahu and his right wing Govt. Plus they know he wants to dismantle the Justice system. He is basically trying to keep out of prison for many nefarious dealings.
I also don't think the average Israeli likes the fact that a lot of his Govt. are Orthodox Jews.
Right. So most of those protesting, if not all, are not against the current onslaught. That's what I was getting at. That they are "monstrously evil" as the OP put it.
I heard an interview with a friend of a Canadian/Jewish human rights worker who died on October 7. She was devastated that her friend had died and also disgusted with Netanyahu's response as she felt her friend would have been as well.
"There are lies emanating from the inherent unreliability and fallibility of human testimony. No two people can relate the occurrence of a street accident so as to make the two stories tally. When bias and emotion are introduced, human testimony becomes quite valueless. In war-time such testimony is accepted as conclusive. The scrappiest and most unreliable evidence is sufficient - "the friend of the brother of a man who was killed", or, as a German investigator of his own liars puts it, "somebody who had seen it", or, "an extremely respectable old woman".
You did not read correctly and I know it's difficult.
They are against the current conflict (use your brain)!
What is OP?
Many people in Israel do not like Netanyahu.
Why? Because Net. has been indicted on many crimes. He is trying to stay out of prison. He also wanted to change the Judiciary the Israeli people were against this.
Do you know about Orthodox Jews? If you don't then take the time to look it up before you make stupid comments.
I suggest you do not make comments here until you take the time to look up and read about Israel!
Not sure but they certainly don't like Netanyahu and the Orthodox Jews who sit at home producing more and more children using women as breeding machines and don't have to fight wars.
I don't think it is the German people making it illegal to support Palestine any more than it is the people of Israel making it illegal there. The holocaust left scars on many people, worse for those in Germany and Poland. It left scars on the people of the world. The present (and maybe the past) leaders of the world seem to have learned nothing from it.
Don't you know ? God ( or a reasonable facsimile ) just looks the OTHER WAY when Israel does something unimaginably abominable that attracts global attention & outrage. They THINK that they've gotten a big golden ticket.
The other thing is that according to their holy books and the Old Testament, they’ve been doing this for 2000 years. No one has ever liked them for this reason—they are terrible neighbors!
Property values take a BIG HIT. Literally. I'm trying to use minimal spoonfulls of humor to deal with a HORRIBLE, EVIL situation. I may succeed, I may fail abysmally.
I think we also have to look at our own countries. Lowkey is revealing how many British tech and surveillance companies are owned by Israel and how linked our secret services are. Our media and politicians are being funded by friends of Israel.
The same went for the covid policies directed by pharma. And the subsidies and abandonment of greeen policies directed by animal ag and oil.
Your points are well taken. They apply even more forcefully to American foreign policy: 2015 Afghanistan, US fighter jets bombed a Doctors Without Borders hospital killing 42. . . But that's not even the beginning. US sanctions in Iraq killed 500,000 children. Asked if it was worth it Madeleine Albright replied "I think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, the price is worth it." Let us recall that Iraq had done nothing, nada, to us. Bush II just wanted a long war. But then of course there's Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh, their George Washington, overthrew the brutal French colonial forces. So we killed ~5 Million of them (excluding collateral mayhem throughout that peninsula). And they more than 50,000 of us; a 100 to 1 kill ratio.
The lesson that we must now embrace is that inhumanity anywhere is a threat to all humanity. Mother Earth has not the resources to sustain our lives much longer if we continue to kill each other and rape her.
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I think you should rephrase that to 15 things we should never have to say to a government or political leader. Or things we must demand no government or leader ever do.
George Carlin would do a routine about this. But it would be 45 minutes of OUTRAGE with a very thin veneer of humor. Extremely tenuous, less than a facade.
And we know that nowadays it would never be allowed on corporate media, or even some social media. We've been gradually moving into fascism and heavy censorship (in the guise of "not offending" any group), and many people apparently don't notice this.
It's a VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE, & I don't think that most people are aware of this. AND some groups aren't aware of this or are willfully ignorant of it unless it gets them in the wallet ( See Wokeism on steroids & media. It sometimes backfires. ).
The Israeli government has long been known to be barbaric, just like it’s lapdog US government. In truth all humans can be barbaric. Once upon a time we showed signs of being civilized, but those days are gone.
Shekels and Benjamins get people goind -- if they bribe it, they will come: 👀 At a pro-Israel rally in Washington on November 14, participants were paid "microgrants" of $250 per person to attend, according to the website of the pro-Israel umbrella group Israel on Campus Coalition.
On Monday, British Home Secretary Suella Braverman was ousted from office, following her tirade against security forces, for supposedly being “soft” on pro-Palestine solidarity demonstrators. Her remarks came on the heels of one of the biggest protests in British history, in which 1 million people gathered in London to stand in solidarity with Palestine. Musician and journalist Lowkey joins the show to discuss the growing solidarity movement for Palestine and how it is shaking up the political scene in the UK
At this point, we’re beyond merely needing transparency. The intent to surveil and control every move we make and thought we express is now being openly expressed.
We can just assume that any digital devices can and probably are collecting data on our activities and whereabouts, and that those data are nowhere near held private and can be used against us in myriad ways.
Today, a decade after Snowden broke the dam of secrecy around the global surveillance scheme, we have but one choice left, and that is to actively reject that system by changing how we live our day to day lives. Everyone must now choose between freedom and enslavement, and the option to choose freedom is rapidly closing. Putting off making that choice is itself a choice.
Rejecting the control system means reverting back to “dumb” appliances and devices to the extent you’re able. It means getting savvier about privacy technologies such as deGoogled phones and computers2 that cannot spy on you. It means using cash as much as possible and rejecting CBDCs and digital tokens. As noted by Whitney Webb in the interview I linked to earlier:
“There’s a huge need for to divest from Big Tech as much as possible, and it needs to happen quickly, because the choice is either participate in the system being designed for you by crazy people and become a slave, or don’t become a slave. And if you don’t want to be a slave, you have to invest now in Big Tech alternatives, unless you want to live a completely analog life …
The easiest route is to go the slavery route, and that’s how they’ve designed it on purpose. The whole selling point of that system is that it’s convenient and easy. So, obviously, it’s going to take some work to go the other route, but the future of human freedom depends on it so I think it’s a pretty easy choice.”
Do a similar critique of media - e.g. NPR let Netanyahu rant, lie and call Palestinians animals unrebutted for several minutes yesterday morning. It was disgusting.
It amazes me that those around me don't consider NPR to be MSM...
True, AJ. Some years ago both NPR and PBS signed onto a document to refrain from criticizing IsraHell.
They’re nothing but MSM.
Some decades ago NPR got a corporatized CEO. Shortly afterwards, a gentleman progressively oriented news man was suddenly fired from his early morning program. Then, later on NPR iniatiated their “non-commercial” commercials regularly chewing up time. Concomitantly, News hosts interviewing “experts and notables” somehow forgot to mention those beacons of truth and wisdom were from the Federalist Society and various right-wing think tanks. And when listening carefully to reportage you came increasingly aware of greater and more frequent sins of omission. So the picture given you was snagged in certain directions like a fun house mirror where you body contorts and stretches in weird exaggerated movements. I was angry about the deceits for a long time and wrote letters. Then, with sadness I simply accepted the consequence of corporatization is purposeful distortion in service of mammon in lieu of service to civic integrity. Always —Inc. in the manner it operates today —-cheapens, fowls, and degrades “right relationship” with anything animate and inanimate. Like someone wise said. You cannot serve both Mammon and God.(mystery, life source, creativity, the great Thou…).
The people you hear on NPR are members of SAG/AFTRA and they just read the scripts they are given as convincingly as they can, as they portray professional journalists they will never be.
Maybe that's because the head of NPR is Netanyahu's first wife
Miriam Weizmann died in 1974.
Just like Hitler committed suicide.
Just like one of his many doubles was made to look like a suicide so no one would track him to Argentina.
They are the only communistic parts of America's mainstream media.
They are also its most copious liars, largely by omission.
They are hardly communistic! Communists have a sense of honor, NPR a has none. They are 110% capitalist approved and supported.
You clearly have never read The Communist Manifesto unless you failed to understand.
110% is impossible.
You clearly are blinded by some weird abject and irrational fear of the word "communist". I can't think of any country on earth right now that actually fits the definition of communist.
I used to really like NPR but finally recognized that they are just a propaganda tool like cable news but the best at hiding it with their soft tones and over acted stance on social change. I literally can’t tolerate listening to them for more than 10 min. I start to yell at my radio at the stupidity and obvious attempt to push a narrative
I have a friend who wrote her dissertation at home with NPR on in the background. Decades ago. I remember when I too perceived it as a comfort and a bulwark against for-profit news corporations. I was slapped into reality several years ago and now I look back and scratch my head. How could I have been so dumb?!
They played classical music. That's probably what did it. Pernicious stuff, classical music.
No, it was talk radio. Talk, talk, talk.
But you could set your watch by it if you know the line-up of the daily shows! And each show has signature music. And each show has hosts who have been taught to speak “public radio” and they have the correct vocabularies and intonations. It all sounds very different to these elements used on corporate tv—music, vocabulary, intonation, etc. if you’ve ever been stuck in an American airport departure lounge for several hours, it’s almost impossible to avoid!
I'm not really familiar with that side of NPR. I do remember being shocked when an NPR station reporting on the war against Serbia went totally us-against-them jingoistic, as if they were broadcasting from an American Legion post in Indiana. A very small war by modern standards, but I think that was when I realized I couldn't listen to them any more. Before that I had been listening to WNYC, a pre-NPR public radio station.
Propaganda by Edward Bernays is a book about advertising...
NPR and PBS are covertly owned and operated by the CPB, which was created as a public non-profit corporation to do the same things in propaganda that the similar Federal Reserve Board was created to do to the nation's currency.
Yes that was their creation, under Johnson I think, but under Bush they became a training ground for the pentagon in narrative control.
Presidents have no control over the CPB because it is non-governmental.
I thought the CIA dictated unallowed content to all media.
What would be unallowed?
Well, the tongue in cheek name for NPR (i.e. Natiomal 🦍 Pentagon Radio) has a LOT of truth to it, so technically speaking, it is more a part of the 😈 MIC than of the 🐍 MSM.
The Old IDF "Hamas Command and Control Center" TRICK IS NOT WORKIN'
https://soberthinking.createaforum.com/geopolitics/war-provocations-and-peace-actions/msg1463/#msg1463
NPR is repulsive - nothing "public" about them, and that's been true since the 70s. Now that con is fully out there for all to see. Look at who their corporate funders are! I think they're worse than mainstream commercial media because their entire posturing is such a lie. And there's so many things they refuse to address, or that they will bring up only one side of.
They've got a very definite agenda, and it's NOT public information.
In 2022, NPR received only 12% ($16,268,014) of its revenue from individual donations, and 39% ($135,292,987) of its revenue from corporate sponsors. Obviously, it is corporate radio, not public radio.
Anyone who listens to NPR frequently (as I do) will notice that they sell and carry advertising which is different in one important way from that carried by commercial broadcasters.
What’s that Rickie Nelson song, “O, o poor little fool, I was fool o ya.”
Did you forget to take your meds this morning?
Nope. Took em’ all. They’re mushrooms so I rarely forget. Great healers mushrooms.
Also, I would bet the individual donors are not average joes
Define "average joes," since that could be confused with the one in the White House by the really confused and/or ignorant.
You would know more about it if you listened to a pledge drive by a NPR affiliate.
I have in the past and it’s impossible to listen to for more than a few minutes before my brain begins to swell up. Id prefer donor data to see
All of the affiliate stations retain such data in compliance with FCC regulations.
Ask to see their public file.
Listening to NPR, assuming one has a working BS filter, fine tunes it.
"They've got a very definite agenda, and it's NOT public information."
Amen. I it were "public", it would be *continually seeking* to understand its audience and any changes that occur in it, then transmitting crystalized and coherent summaries of those findings back to that audience as well as to elites.
In journalism, discovery comes before assertion.
Public in its majority approves the US policies if elections and polls are to be taken seriously. Since NPR does too, then it follows that it reflects the public's sentiment. It is public in the same sense that Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc are.
I guess you have never worked as a volunteer in any NPR affiliate.
I guess you believed the bullshit they fed you when you were naive enough to volunteer for an NPR affiliate.
Only the very stupid have ever done that, honey. People on here aren’t stupid. Some are a bit crazy maybe, but not stupid. 😝
I prevented more of it from getting on the air than you have ever has the courage to vet.
"Trying to take it over from the inside".
https://rumble.com/v3wglzk-ro-khanna-destroyed-by-jewish-constituent.html?start=280
People still listen to NPR? I quit after the "All things Considered," news wench gushed about how "sexy" Rumsfeld looked on the eve of "shock and awe" over 20 years ago.
For some reason, no other major radio broadcaster has ever produced a twice daily comprehensive current events program.
A perfect platform for indoctrination. Sadly today's yoof probably have too short an attention span for 2 hours of propaganda is why.
Plus, they’re all at the tail end of the Yuppie era—around 50– and think NPR is “liberal” because it mentions Buttigieg once in awhile.
Yes this, I am 57 old Gen X, but I never believed the bullshit.
Exactly. And thank you. There were some in the yuppie era who never bought the corporate bs. They’ve had a hard time—but now is their reward and we can start to see clearly now.
All television programming is a perfect platform for indoctrination.
Social media picks up where the media leaves off.
This is unbelievably ABOMINABLE. Extreme Right Wingers & Evangelicals probably applaud these Nazis. Yes, I said NAZIS.
Yeah, look at tens of thousands of them in DC: "No ceasefire, no ceasefire". All right-wingers and evangelicals no doubt. To a person.
https://rumble.com/v3w3r81-massive-pro-israeli-rally-held-in-dc.html
The Church That Pushed TFG # 45 raised my ire in the process. Ignorance, lack of critical thinking, & fear of progress made me leave with FEW REGRETS, & the GOP is too busy shooting itself in the nether regions.
Ernesto Che - Are you a mind reader ? I posted something quite similar to this, including the idea that Zionists read MEIN KAMPF a few minutes ago !
Christians & political conservatives are all - too - willing to give them a pass, a golden ticket because they're " God's Country ", " The Promised Land ", blah, blah, blah. As if that relieves them from any responsibility. I don't buy it anymore. & I trust them as much as the GOP & Joel Osteen.
Welcome Daniel. You are one of the “wins” for freedom that the Gazan people are getting for their sacrifice. As horrible as this all is, it’s making a massive difference in perception in the world. Now I pray perception change will lead to action and change.
Roughly 2 decades ago, I might've been completely different. I HOPE that I've changed for the better, really.
I hope that SOMETHING positive arises from this mess, like, ah, new, more humane leadership rather than Zionism backed by rabid conservatives & God - bothering Evangelicals.
From your lips to the gods’ ears.
2 people among myriads who are SICK of all the crap about Israel & " the evil, terrible Palestinians ". I've started muting these late night infomercials ( ? ) put on the airwaves by The Fellowship of Christians & Jews because of undisguised bias. If ONLY they wouldn't demonize Palestinians.....
NPR has been 100% government fascist propaganda since 9/11. At least. They are vile.
Exactly
Yes that, see my comment above.
NPR—New Pentagon Radio
1 Netanyahu is not a spokesperson for the Israeli people. BE very careful what you say.
2.It's becoming obvious to me that 'stupid' people are making all kinds of comments which are not accurate. STOP this now.
3. The Israeli people were protesting against Netanyahu for at least a month before this war started. Netanyahu is not Israel he is a right wing fanatic trying to stay out of Prison.
4. Do you know anything about Orthodox Jews? If not look it up.
5. The ignorance of American people is very telling in these comments.
Read and understand what is happening in Israel and I think you may find that the US Government is using them.
Did you know for instance that the oil found off the Gaza coast is now in the hands of Israel?America?
WHY does the US support Israel? Look it up. We are talking about who controls Oil?
Jenny - I m not "stupid" and the sources I read and rely on are Norm Finkelstein, Llan Pappe, Chris Hedges, Rashid Khalidi, Edward Said, Alistair Crooke, Max Blumenthal, The Duran, and Scott Ritter.
Sadly, see my prior comment about Netanyahu. The Israeli State was oppressing and conducting genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing on the Palestinians long before Netanyahu came to power. The current right wing government just took the mask off the historical project. The US interests in middle east oil are far broader than the Palestinian catastrophe and even Israel, so please don'y try to use that as cover.
Yes, the Israeli State has been committing war crimes for decades, but right now it is Netanyahu and I don't think that a maniac like that should be considered to be speaking for the people of Israel or anyone other than whatever other murderous cronies he has on his side.
and Aaro Mate and his father Gabor!
and George Galloway!
and Patrick Lawrence and Bob Scheer (and the art of Mr. Fish!)
oops, I almost forgot Jeffrey St. Clair at CounterPunch
Jeeez, how did I leave out Jeff Sachs?
"The Israeli people were protesting against Netanyahu" - this isn't a pass, the question is protesting about what exactly?
His right wing Govnt and wanting to change the Judiciary system.
Of course it's not a pass!
"4. Do you know anything about Orthodox Jews? If not look it up."
Hi Jennifer, I understand there are Orthodox Jews who are against the very concept of the state of Israel. Is that not true? If it is true, which factions exist, what are there populations, and where are they (if concentrated)? Thanks
The number of times she asked that question suggests she's actually asking it. Someone please answer.
GOOD.
Hopefully dim Americans will realise who is in charge of Israel. It is not the general Israeli people who have been protesting AGAINST Netanyahu for months before this began. What did Net. do.
Allow Hamas to come into Israel, taking people's minds away from his deplorable ethics.
He is wanted on several charges of fraud and bribery. He wanted to change the Judicial system in Israel.
READ and learn before submitting stupid comments.
I thought you had free speech in the US but you want to shut down this rant.
Netanyahu is owned by the USA!
Sorry Jenny, you are an Israeli apologist. This is not a problem of an individual (i.e. Netanyahu) or even the Orthodox Jews. It is the Zionist State of Israel, which is an apartheid colonial settler nation implementing "Nakba 2.0". The polls I've seen of the Israeli people show strong support for the Gaza genocide, and the social media garbage many Israeli people are posting is obscene.
No I am not. Please stop trying to put me in a 'BOX.'
IF you read Polls then I have NO answer for you.
And since you have ALL the answers what do you read, Jenny? Being in France, of course?
You put yourself in a ox (and called many her "stupid").
I cited polls to rebut you fact free and false claim. See, I'm old fashioned: I like to support claims with evidence.
You are right I am an OX. How did you know?
Lame attempts at humor to exploit obvious typos are not an olive branch and will get you nowhere.
I called you on your indefensible BS - so withdraw it or own it.
Steve Inskeep isn't paid to rebut, just read the script and we'll fix it in the edit.
It confirmed that Netanyahu is the unmitigated piece of dung he has always been.
Netanyahu is Israel's Hitler, and the Palestinians are his straw men.
Media is State.
Israel has being doing all that for YEARS now if not DECADES.
And Israel’s chief enabler, the US has been doing many of those things too including even drone-executing children as a form of collective punishment.
Kids
https://www.aclu.org/video/aclu-ccr-lawsuit-american-boy-killed-us-drone-strike
Residential area
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/29/asia/afghanistan-kabul-evacuation-intl/index.html
Hopsitals
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36174047
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/balkans/stories/brussels052199.htm
https://theintercept.com/2015/10/07/a-short-history-of-u-s-bombing-of-civilian-facilities/
But never so blatantly, never so openly or harshly ... this is pure evil and I would suggest part (somehow) of the globalist agenda.
Distraction from the Ukraine CF, depopulation, land, wealth and asset (especially gas) grab, shoving a couple of million real refugees into the EU and UK, Greater Israel project, WWIII (Muslim vs Zionist) and on and on...
Meanwhile, whilst we are all watching, anyone notice that the Pakistanis are kicking out all illegal refugees from the Afghan war (Afganis) and guess where they are coming over to ?.
....and who gets all the refugees.
We now have American refugees clamouring to come to Europe!
My favorite incident(s) from our "war on terror" was when we delibrately targetted hospitals with Doctors Without Borders- multiple times. Even used a C-130 gunship.
War OF terror.
This came to mind, my friend. James Tiberius Kirk & Spock Cha'Sarek on the Klingons from Star Trek : The Undiscovered Country -
Spock : Jim, they are dying.
Kirk : Let them DIE.
Chilling how critical thinking gets jammed into a trunk on such occasions.
Longer than the US Army did it to native Americans?
What-aboutism doesn’t change the fact that Israel is also doing it.
Would you like to rephrase that into cogent form?
You're grotesque.
Steve Shives has a podcast, several, in fact. He deals with subjects like this. Youtube. Look him up. Tell him Dr. Dan sent ya.
The BIA took over the job from the US Army.
You're a fucking troll. Go cheer on the Ukrainian Nazis on some other thread. Let Joe Biden grope your daughter. You'll feel more at home
You are just the newest jackass I am ignoring, henceforth.
Don't be lazy Ernesto. What is the BIA?
The CIA has always needed as many proxies as it could recruit.
Bureau of Indian Affairs
This is true Ernesto BUT it does NO mean all Israelis think Net. is good.
How do you KNOW?
Where?
And - neither Israel nor the US gives an aerial intercourse about what the rest of us think regarding those fifteen things. In fact, I get the feeling they are points of pride, with a soupçon of irritation over bad press and possible election fallout.
By this point they have full control of elections. It won't matter if particular names fall. The replacements will continue doing what needs to be done.
Exactly right.
Found a new context for the slogan “Never Again”. It’s for the unrelenting mind-blowing atrocities of the despicable Zion state against the helpless Palestinians. Hope this energizes the non-Western useless speechifying to action!! “ Never Again”. Let’s remind Israel of how that feels!
While I'm aware that this comment opens me up to all sorts of rebound hatred, it naturally flows from psychological logic, reinforced by certain videos of mass support for IDF actions by groups of Israeli citizens (and their US Zionist counterparts) I begin to think that the collective scars of the European holocaust were/are so deep and pervasive in the Zionist psyche of Israeli society that the ultimate outcome is a society trapped in a mass psychosis of self-justifiable torture and murder. and when I hear that "Israel has a right to defend itself", I quickly morph that thought to: If that mass psychosis is real, Israel doesn't even have a right to exist as an equal partner among nations. And then, to be fair, I must apply that same metric to my own country, the good ol' US of A. But that latter thought has been with me for decades now.
I'd say that the way to make any group of humans into roaring assholes is to give them unlimited rights and no responsibilities.
As I just posted, they think that they have a GOLDEN TICKET from God ( which one ? )
I suspect they generally don’t believe that but use it as an excuse. Many use religion to justify atrocities to weaker minds
Conquistadors, missionaries, slave owners, people who passed out diseased blankets on Native American reservations..... AND it's mainly monotheistic religions.
"it's mainly monotheistic religions."
It's clear to me that the Abrahamic tradition of Eye-of-Sauron monster gods is the Mother of all Psy-Ops. Absolutely nothing compares to its psychic power, even after the rather withering onslaught of the half-millenium Enlightenment.
They have quite a vice grip on most Western cultures. I ENVY Europe because Thoth bless them ( ! ) they're pursuing a secular mindset / way of life. They are shaking the shackles of archaic belief systems. That isn't a SMALL ACHIEVEMENT. The 1st sentient AI will question most human belief systems, as will any possible ETs whose attention is attracted to us, for some reason.
I should've also mentioned the deep psychosis entailed in the Hannibal directive by which Israel kills its own to sustain some twisted pieces of veneer to its policies. Well covered by Max Blumenthal in a Hedges interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0gECjlpXF8
and in a Grayzone piece.
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/
Not only Jews were holocausted in Nazi Germany, but many Germans too: communists, socialists, alcoholics, the disabled, gypsies, vagabonds, gay, Jehova's Witnesses, other Christians, feminists, intellectuals, artists, musicians...the collective scars of the holocaust are so deep in Germany's and Europe's psyche, that even the word "nation" should be forbidden.
What do those crimes against outcasts have to do with nationhood, and needing to forbid it? This is a very strange POV to me. I think that at the beginning of the French Revolution they had it right: Liberty (Rightism), Equality (Leftism), and Fraternity (at root, shared identity as a people).
None of these, or any other, components of a nation, properly constituted -- yes, including "communists, socialists, alcoholics, the disabled, gypsies, vagabonds, gay, Jehova's Witnesses, other Christians, feminists", etc. etc. -- need be exiled. To foment do so is a perversion of idea of "Fraternite".
But then, it was Marx that began setting internal components of nation at (supposed necessary) war -- no longer negotiation -- with each other, and the rest has been a very sorry history.
Cher citoyen! If there is a nation, it would be defined by identity. The 'outcasts' were not outcast at all, but they provided identity: the markets, the music, books, art, language, religion. After the holocaust, culture was kitsch. False identity for everyone.
National borders however, are traditionally made by militarists. A real national identity has fractal borders like an island: the more you zoom in, the longer is its coastline. The coastline paradox. Israel has a fractal Palestine inside of it, besides kibbuzim, and are these not communist?
I don't understand what you say about Marx.
"I don't understand what you say about Marx."
"Workers of the world, unite!" was a *war* cry. And with it, Marx hijacked Leftism. Leftism is about democracy (the "egalite" AND "fraternite" parts of the French motto) at its most fundamental. Democracy requires eternal, open-minded fluidity in politics, not rigid dogma.
Marx likes to speak of alienation. However, for him alienation (in the relatively new industrialization) not only occurs (explicitly) in the divorce of product from use. It also occurs (implicitly) in the fact that the parties -- worker and owner -- to the crime of property alienation were *themselves* alienated from each other. The destruction of national fraternity led to a "crystalized" alienation of citizen from citizen.
The latter didn't have to occur. But, IMO, Marxists *wanted* it to occur, to create an army of the powerless under their thumbs. This was implemented eventually under Lenin and his vanguards, and we all know how that cry of "power to the people" worked out, not only in Russia, but as well in nearly *all* similar efforts of the twentieth century. That's what happens when you foment a war and create a power vacuum without explaining what you're doing. "Oh, wow, *we* the vanguard will fill that vacuum! Don't worry your pretty little heads over it, soldiers-slash-worker bees!"
Now, since roughly the 50s, when the population of unherdable class-cats (that is, who migrate between classes) started going out of fashion, this so-called "Left" have the bright idea of separating people not by mutable characteristics (class), but by *immutable* ones (all the embedded identities of humans), whipped up and organized by the vanguard inheritors of Marxism. Does this sound like a way to "bring people together"?
Any diatribe about Marx that does not even mention capitalism or economic class is either incredibly ignorant or based on anti-Marxist propaganda, and not even well done propaganda at that.
"alienation ... in the divorce of product from use" [I should have said "production" here]
"worker and owner"
"unherdable class-cats (that is, who migrate between classes)"
i.e. Did I not identify that there are problems with class? There's not a lot one can cover in a handful of paragraphs -- especially when pointing out a different problem.
So, what are some great new insights about class today, that will be just the trick to turn the world around to an actually *viable* solution? Hint: We Leftists are barking up the wrong tree. We need to figure out better how societies actually work. If Marx himself actually understood, then we have to ask about his motives.
Just because Marx identified class (and eloquently) didn't mean he knew what to do about it. We in the 21st century have the great advantage of seeing what happened when his followers attempted to implement a revolt, and *dozens* of times. In my opinion, this is in large part based on a rigid *war* attitude, of implacable us-vs.-them, my team right or wrong, and of fight-to-the-death. It is this same war mindset that infects modern societies to this day. Made sense, maybe, in existential confrontations between hunter-gatherer bands tens and hundreds of thousands of years ago. But the only war needed *today* is to quarantine sociopaths/psychopaths -- they're the true enemies of society, and they're found everywhere. We need to put our thinking caps on.
So, it's past high time to step out of this box. I'd like to recognize that Leftism (social fairness), Rightism (individualist freedom), and Nationhood (societal belonging) are all pieces of the same puzzle of how to run a society.
"shared identity as a people"
I mean that as in geographic -- and in consequence, language, culture, etc. -- realms, where it has been natural and near-universal for a very long time. That is, since the dawn of agriculture. But where that goes awry, then, it seems, there can be problems.
TRIBALISM is a mindset in which NO ONE is a complete winner, one group loses territory, the other loses ethics / morals & soul, it crumbles away.
Oh yeah, defend yourself in the back pocket of the sugar daddy USA!!! Sniveling cowardice!!!
This is soooo good Vin, thank you.
As a moral argument, I think you have a point. As a practical argument, it’s not practical to go back in time. Some things can’t be undone and now you have a moral and practical conundrum. Both have a right to exist now regardless of history and both have innocent people to consider in a resolution
No. They most certainly do NOT have a right to exist and they never did. This is like arguing that Nazi Germany should have a right to exist since they existed in the 1930s. Da fuk is wrong with you. Israel hasn't existed since 322 BC when Alexander the Great eliminated them. Fuck that idea. It's psychotic and delusional.
A fallacy on par with THIS GEM : " America has always been a Christian nation ". How were we Christian before the arrival of Europeans, pray tell ?
‘Da fuck’ do you propose that doesn’t involve a Jewish genocide?
"Da Fuk" can't you see that Israel is committing a genocide right fucking now. That's not "defense". You're like arguing that Hitler, or any other mass-murdering dictatorial monster just "had to do what he had to do" or else they'd be defeated. Are you abjectly stupid, or just evil? Humans have been forced to get along RATHER THAN SLAUGHTER EACH OTHER for fucking ever. And if the Israelis get slaughtered, guess whose fault that will be -- THEIR OWN. The Palestinians let them migrate there is the 40's, sympathetic to their suffering in the Holocaust, then the fucking "Israelis" turned the tables on them, as if they had learned from Hitler's techniques rather than decided to condemn them forever as the rest of the world had. The Israelis are the new Reich. They are literally fascists and Nazis; hell, Albert Einstein even called them out on that. So you can take your Nazi-apologia and GTFO of here.
They should have listed to Einstein and his other Jewish friends who wrote the following typo the NYT decades ago:
https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
I don't think Palestinians had any say in the matter.
You didn’t answer my question
Answer your own question you lying piece of shit. "Israel" started this and they can end it. "Israel" can either work for peace or they can get DESTROYED. Or are you so stupid and/or indoctrinated that you can't see this. You're arguing that Hitler had to keep going or else he'd get wiped out. Well guess what, wiping out Hitler was the only way to end it. Sadly, Nazis were imported into the US after the war, and that shit lives on, both in the US and "Israel". It's time to truly wipe out Nazism.
I will—how about making them live in one state where all rights and duties are shared by all citizens with a real constitution (Israel doesn’t have one) and is a protectorate of the UN outside the security council. Wipe “Israel” off the map just as we should pull down all the confederate statues put up in the 1920’s and claimed as “heritage” by the murderous South.
Who is conferring this “right” anyway? Some god, some pope, some military, some self-righteous mofo?
Evangelicals are cheerleading it, if not spearheading it themselves.
My question is: When do these horrific acts become War Crimes and who will do anything about it?
Well, the answer to the first part of your question is "When they are done by Putin".
Putin doesn't even have to do anything to commit war crimes.
Because Muh Rules-Based International Order.
Putin does exactly what the Duma tells him to do.
Troll
Only, Putin never did no sick shit like these Israelis is doin’, been doin’.
I don’t think he’s no rabid sicko, like them Talmud talkers.
Right on Mike.
exactly so. Bucha, Snake Island russians raping babies---all bullshit.
Hahahahahahaha. Excellent. And completely right. In the US its not what is done it’s who is doing it that counts. So, if T-tump were doing what Bigone is doing, they would be war crimes.
Ha.
They became war crimes with the signing of the Geneva Convention on August 12, 1949.
But as someone pointed out, in order for this operation to be a war, Hamas would need to have an actual military. They are not at war against another's army, they are leveling a neighborhood where 2.2 million people live.
Trudeau has just been charged with supporting genocide by the ICC.
The Corpse-in-chief is next.
Good name. I doubt it US never gets charged with anything!
The CCR is suing him in the 9th District for violating Geneva to which we are a signatory. It’s a start.
Not in our lifetimes.
Only when world power is multipolar (I.e decentralized) and finally recognizing that it’s better to collaborate as a species, share resources, and still compete with each other fairly and humanely. The first will force treaties that have teeth
Not going to happen sad to say. Rich people would never agree.
It’s already happening and you’re right, rich people are trying to stop that by using poor countries and poor people for destabilizing wars. They don’t want stable competition
Makes one wonder just who are the “human animals”. Oh let’s change that to “monsters”; ANIMALS are much better humans than the current IsraHelli crop of insane murderers.
In the meanwhile, THANK YOU 🇧🇿 BELIZE for severing all ties with the apartheid quasi-nation!
Thank you. Yes, I hate it when people, who are the most destructive and vicious sentient beings on the planet, project their own hatefulness and evil onto animals. Gimme a break! If people "acted like animals" in reality, none of this would be happening.
Animals ( or four-legged sentient beings, as I prefer to call them) do not commit crimes, wage war, or find pleasure in killing.
I saw a recent video that broke my heart. Two kittens in Gaza were huddled against a wall, clutching each other as bombs rattled the background. These kittens deserve to live far more than any IsraHelli “soldier”!
Unfortunately, chimpanzees, who are 99.9% like us, do wage war, literally tearing the babies of the “enemy” limb from limb. We have a long way to go to outgrow our wickedness but it isn’t savagery, it’s humanoid.
Bonobos are also genetically similar primates (to us and chimps) who live peacefully and cooperate with others. Humans are capable of choosing peaceful, cooperative behavior.
Yes, exactly and thank you for reminding me. I love Bonobos. I read that their go to for soothing another is sex, that they have sex all the time!!! So 2 things—1) The church and it’s hatred of sex is responsible for all the West’s wars and B) the Hippies were right—make love, not war. Hope that comes back!!! 😁😆😇
Couldn't agree more! :)
Still doesn't compare to the depravity of many humans. Not by a long shot.
Also, Colombia, Hundurus, Jordan, TURKEY, South Africa, Bolivia, Chile, Chad, Bahrain. That means these countries are also defying US!!! It’s a great start.
Ireland. and Turkey too.
In a way it makes me glad that our Resident is such a slack mouthed, empty eyed fool—it makes the world feel more free to dump their loyalty to the US when they see his duffle butt shuffling along concentrating on not stumbling. That and Pluto in Aquarius!
Israel is monstrously evil.
I think this is not true. Israelis were protesting in the streets before all this happened, against Netanyahu.
Were they protesting the apartheid status of the country? Treatment of Palestine?
I believe they protesting against Netanyahu and his right wing Govt. Plus they know he wants to dismantle the Justice system. He is basically trying to keep out of prison for many nefarious dealings.
I also don't think the average Israeli likes the fact that a lot of his Govt. are Orthodox Jews.
Right. So most of those protesting, if not all, are not against the current onslaught. That's what I was getting at. That they are "monstrously evil" as the OP put it.
I heard an interview with a friend of a Canadian/Jewish human rights worker who died on October 7. She was devastated that her friend had died and also disgusted with Netanyahu's response as she felt her friend would have been as well.
The Israeli’s probably killed her. They killed most of those who died on Oct 6th. Still, I’m sad for her death. Human rights workers are angels.
From Ponsonby's "Falsehood in Wartime":
"There are lies emanating from the inherent unreliability and fallibility of human testimony. No two people can relate the occurrence of a street accident so as to make the two stories tally. When bias and emotion are introduced, human testimony becomes quite valueless. In war-time such testimony is accepted as conclusive. The scrappiest and most unreliable evidence is sufficient - "the friend of the brother of a man who was killed", or, as a German investigator of his own liars puts it, "somebody who had seen it", or, "an extremely respectable old woman".
I think they are against the onslaught. Most people want to live without fear this includes probably a huge bunch of Israelis.
Can you HEAR me. They were against Net. who started this catastrophe. He has been in power now for what 17yrs?
He did nothing about the settlers/tried to change the Court system etc.
He and his right wing Orthodox Jews are the ones you should be angry with.
You did not read correctly and I know it's difficult.
They are against the current conflict (use your brain)!
What is OP?
Many people in Israel do not like Netanyahu.
Why? Because Net. has been indicted on many crimes. He is trying to stay out of prison. He also wanted to change the Judiciary the Israeli people were against this.
Do you know about Orthodox Jews? If you don't then take the time to look it up before you make stupid comments.
I suggest you do not make comments here until you take the time to look up and read about Israel!
"You did not read correctly and I know it's difficult." - I know. Only people in France can manage easily. Others struggle mightily.
OP - original poster, the one who started the thread.
Not sure but they certainly don't like Netanyahu and the Orthodox Jews who sit at home producing more and more children using women as breeding machines and don't have to fight wars.
if they want to protest in support of the Palestinians, they will be arrested. It is illegal in Israel. In Germany too, it seems.
I have to say one thing about Germany.
Please try and put yourselves in their shoes.
Most of the people living there now were not alive during the Holocaust. They know full well what happened and what was done.
I don't think it is the German people making it illegal to support Palestine any more than it is the people of Israel making it illegal there. The holocaust left scars on many people, worse for those in Germany and Poland. It left scars on the people of the world. The present (and maybe the past) leaders of the world seem to have learned nothing from it.
Oh, so they were doing it sneakily. Those Jews!
Don't you know ? God ( or a reasonable facsimile ) just looks the OTHER WAY when Israel does something unimaginably abominable that attracts global attention & outrage. They THINK that they've gotten a big golden ticket.
The other thing is that according to their holy books and the Old Testament, they’ve been doing this for 2000 years. No one has ever liked them for this reason—they are terrible neighbors!
Property values take a BIG HIT. Literally. I'm trying to use minimal spoonfulls of humor to deal with a HORRIBLE, EVIL situation. I may succeed, I may fail abysmally.
It’s all you can do sometimes.
Fighting fire with Lakes Erie & Ontario. It could happen.
Only if the pipeline Canada wants to put under the Lakes breaks.
Did they ask PERMISSION 1st ? Politeness is practically an Article of Faith there. Except during traffic - related situations, so I hear.
HORSE DIARRHEA !
I think we also have to look at our own countries. Lowkey is revealing how many British tech and surveillance companies are owned by Israel and how linked our secret services are. Our media and politicians are being funded by friends of Israel.
The same went for the covid policies directed by pharma. And the subsidies and abandonment of greeen policies directed by animal ag and oil.
From Israel 's perspective, there is only one thing- don't face consequences.
Nothing to see here, folks, just wounded Palestinians & Palestinian corpses, some almost intact.
40 reasons why the IDF is the Most Moral Army in the World™
https://open.substack.com/pub/palestinewillbefree/p/40-reasons-why-the-idf-is-the-most?r=1e2s2&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Your points are well taken. They apply even more forcefully to American foreign policy: 2015 Afghanistan, US fighter jets bombed a Doctors Without Borders hospital killing 42. . . But that's not even the beginning. US sanctions in Iraq killed 500,000 children. Asked if it was worth it Madeleine Albright replied "I think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, the price is worth it." Let us recall that Iraq had done nothing, nada, to us. Bush II just wanted a long war. But then of course there's Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh, their George Washington, overthrew the brutal French colonial forces. So we killed ~5 Million of them (excluding collateral mayhem throughout that peninsula). And they more than 50,000 of us; a 100 to 1 kill ratio.
The lesson that we must now embrace is that inhumanity anywhere is a threat to all humanity. Mother Earth has not the resources to sustain our lives much longer if we continue to kill each other and rape her.
What I see as the minimal useful action for the US:
–- Constitutional Reset 2024 ---
Supreme Court Crushing OUR Rights Take Back the Court - A3S1:
Judges shall serve on good Behaviour Ergo, shall be fired on bad Behaviour
Revoke False Precedents
-$s are not Speech nor Corps people-
That rot bred present fascism!
The Fix: Public Funding of Elections
$200 Voter Vouchers - Nothing Else!
DC will work for us & our children:
-Tackle Climate Chaos at Scale-CO2e Tax $400/ton Funding UBI
-Market Forces Drive Solar/Wind
-Initial UBI ~$1,000/month
WWII Level Funding, Taxes, Effort
-42% GDP = 8T$/yr for 5 years
-95% Max TaxRate over 4M$/yr
-Gift Solar to US & Global South
Why? Gotta Save the Whole World
Make Friends, Not War
DC will pass: iM4A, Union Rights, $25 Min Wage tied to productivity, Free pre-K through University,...
I am Tom@TomWellsForCongress.com
Great list!!! Add school funding but with local control. I mean a MASSIVE infusion of bucks to start the process of educating the electorate.
America spends more money on education than most other country's.
It's how the teaching is done not money.
No thanks! to a lot of that list.
I welcome discussion - I find different perspectives to be learning opportunities. Be specific. 352-514-5467
I think you should rephrase that to 15 things we should never have to say to a government or political leader. Or things we must demand no government or leader ever do.
George Carlin would do a routine about this. But it would be 45 minutes of OUTRAGE with a very thin veneer of humor. Extremely tenuous, less than a facade.
And we know that nowadays it would never be allowed on corporate media, or even some social media. We've been gradually moving into fascism and heavy censorship (in the guise of "not offending" any group), and many people apparently don't notice this.
It's a VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE, & I don't think that most people are aware of this. AND some groups aren't aware of this or are willfully ignorant of it unless it gets them in the wallet ( See Wokeism on steroids & media. It sometimes backfires. ).
We ARE WINNING the battle for human hearts! Keep writing and sharing 🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽
The Israeli government has long been known to be barbaric, just like it’s lapdog US government. In truth all humans can be barbaric. Once upon a time we showed signs of being civilized, but those days are gone.
CAN be but aren’t. Stop trying to excuse western colonial settler nation atrocities with this, “o well, we all do it” shit.
Shekels and Benjamins get people goind -- if they bribe it, they will come: 👀 At a pro-Israel rally in Washington on November 14, participants were paid "microgrants" of $250 per person to attend, according to the website of the pro-Israel umbrella group Israel on Campus Coalition.
Yikes, they, that is, UK-USA-IDF are winning:
https://youtu.be/b7vrenLbJ94?si=meTUbHS1EHxey06w
On Monday, British Home Secretary Suella Braverman was ousted from office, following her tirade against security forces, for supposedly being “soft” on pro-Palestine solidarity demonstrators. Her remarks came on the heels of one of the biggest protests in British history, in which 1 million people gathered in London to stand in solidarity with Palestine. Musician and journalist Lowkey joins the show to discuss the growing solidarity movement for Palestine and how it is shaking up the political scene in the UK
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https://paulokirk.substack.com/p/americans-and-israelis-and-israel
At this point, we’re beyond merely needing transparency. The intent to surveil and control every move we make and thought we express is now being openly expressed.
We can just assume that any digital devices can and probably are collecting data on our activities and whereabouts, and that those data are nowhere near held private and can be used against us in myriad ways.
Today, a decade after Snowden broke the dam of secrecy around the global surveillance scheme, we have but one choice left, and that is to actively reject that system by changing how we live our day to day lives. Everyone must now choose between freedom and enslavement, and the option to choose freedom is rapidly closing. Putting off making that choice is itself a choice.
Rejecting the control system means reverting back to “dumb” appliances and devices to the extent you’re able. It means getting savvier about privacy technologies such as deGoogled phones and computers2 that cannot spy on you. It means using cash as much as possible and rejecting CBDCs and digital tokens. As noted by Whitney Webb in the interview I linked to earlier:
“There’s a huge need for to divest from Big Tech as much as possible, and it needs to happen quickly, because the choice is either participate in the system being designed for you by crazy people and become a slave, or don’t become a slave. And if you don’t want to be a slave, you have to invest now in Big Tech alternatives, unless you want to live a completely analog life …
The easiest route is to go the slavery route, and that’s how they’ve designed it on purpose. The whole selling point of that system is that it’s convenient and easy. So, obviously, it’s going to take some work to go the other route, but the future of human freedom depends on it so I think it’s a pretty easy choice.”
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https://www.globalresearch.ca/end-privacy-near/5840429