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Vin LoPresti's avatar

A short, rather simple declarative sentence says so much about the topic: "Americans . . . thinking the electoral process still works and they really do have some degree of control over their country: namely,

"the whole thing’s pure bullshit."

Thank you.

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Bob - Enough's avatar

Two cheeks of the same globalist parasitical arse !.

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Grant Harvey's avatar

Goddam right, Bob! Up the Queen!

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Longtrail's avatar

So true. It's rigged and corrupt.

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Sam's avatar

Bingo. And we just saw democrats pick another candidate after making Biden run unopposed. Just like Obama picked Biden over Bernie last time and democrats picking Hillary over Bernie the time before.

Democrats also sue to keep 3rd parties off the ballot and yet they say they are defending democracy….pffft!

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Yeah, the dirty Dems sue parties off the ballot and they block their FEC matching funds as well. For example: https://therevolutioncontinues.substack.com/p/the-best-democracy-money-can-buy

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Hurricane's avatar

Hmmmmm. I am disturbed by the comments about Democrats …It is not rigged and corrupt for either party completely. It is a political system. The parties are disjointed now. It would be great if Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney

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Hurricane's avatar

It can work. These messages and responses to comments are disturbing. Think. We ( all who comment) are the system . We have the power to vote, endorse, oppose, consider.

It is Our system we can challenge , support or change.

Get over it and get to work.

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KMD's avatar

That's why I don't vote…it has ZERO meaning or affect.

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Hurricane's avatar

If you do t vote then you cannot complain. You are the system you create. You have the ability to make change.

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KMD's avatar

So I lose my 1st amendment rights if I don't vote? Sounds worse than not voting. Are you from North Korea?

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Jonn Mero's avatar

Today being anti-Semitic (anti Israel) means that your moral compass is correct, and not off because of Israeli/US propaganda. Israel has a PM that best can be described as a reincarnation of Heinrich Himmler.

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Jack Lomax's avatar

Himmler was a. crude (but deadly) version of official lies compared to the slick 'we poor persecuted Jews' Israel offers to the world

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Hurricane's avatar

That may be true. I am Catholic and have Jewish family members.

As Americans we must understand and lead. Political life was very different 75-80 years ago. Americans need to lead by understanding their past and moving with grace to the future.

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wilson's avatar

more like stalin or lenin.

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Lowell Googins's avatar

Thank you for reminding us that Netanyahu is not the only Israeli problem. The Israeli citizens are an even bigger problem. Some day, hopefully before I finish this, Netty will be gone but Israel will continue into the abyss and killing a lot of innocent people in the process.

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mois78's avatar

The only geouz that I respect are the libtard Geouwish kids.

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gypsy33's avatar

If raging criticism of Pissrael means I’m “antisemitic “, then that’s a badge I’ll wear with honor.

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Susan T's avatar

We are living in a time when we have to try to separate the bullshit from what may actually have an element of truth in it. That is getting more and more difficult. Except with Trump. It seems so obvious that he is an immoral creep from his comments about women to his blaming of immigrants for the problems in the US. Make America Great Again. But when was it that America was great?

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Ron Stockton's avatar

Great question. When was America Great? When has America not been a war-mongering, exceptionalist, white supremicist, racist, fundamentalist, misogynist, hate-promoting, us vs them state? No one in the corporate media will ask that question. No one amongst America's "progressives" will ask that question. I'd guess they don't ask it because they know the answer.

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Michael's avatar

What country WAS great? Maybe another question, what country doesn’t have dirty hands in its history? Not making excuses, just making a point about humans. One would think we could evolve past these behaviors but alas, we still have modern day colonialism

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Ron Stockton's avatar

You are likely right on this. Nationalism does this to people, otherism does this to people. The colonialist powers were all the same and equally as evil. Most of them have now given up on overtly preaching they are exceptional (although it's coming back with the rise of the right) but the USA, (Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and progressives) have never ceased preaching they are exceptional, it's in the DNA and, unfortunately, no other country has ever had the power (militarily and economically) the USA has in order to implement its agenda or end human life on the planet.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"...conservatives and progressives..."

I think you meant conservatives and liberals. True progressives are on the left (in both social & economic spheres - and I wouldn't consider Bernie Sanders or AOC progressives, even though the media does). IMHO, to be a true progressive, one needs to be an anti-capitalist.

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Ron Stockton's avatar

Fair point.

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Sam's avatar

Including here in America. It spies on us, lies to us, sends our families to kill people in other countries so rich people can still the resources. It lets cops beat the crap out of us and kill over 1,300 of us year with no repercussions because they are working for the rich people who run the country. Obama let the banks steal 10 million homes through fraud and then gave them money to buy up the stolen homes.

Wars abroad always come home to roost. Always.

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Bryan's avatar

Empires are inherently evil. Ours is no different

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Literally Mussolini's avatar

Your point suggests emphasizing people, rather than nations. That is, being a humanist instead of a nationalist.

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Michael's avatar

We can have both. Think about pride in sports teams. We love our team and want to win but we don’t want to literally kill our opponents and their families. We can compete in the world in a humane way.

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Influence through Confluence's avatar

Maybe Bhutan?

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Longtrail's avatar

America was never great. America was lucky and our luck is running out.

I've been told that the definition of luck is when preparation meets opportunity. So it was. So it is. Opportunities are squandered because the fools don't see them. So it is.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

I do not think there are any great countries. Was it Tucker, who a few months ago stated, that one of the only reigning people who worked for his people, was a sheik in one of the United Emirates? one emir? that is a very sad balance. I think the president of El Salvador is quite decent, too. There are a few people like Orban who are speaking up as well. Not sure if I trust Erdogan.

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Pippi Smythe's avatar

America was lucky? Rape, pillage and plunder is not the definition of luck.

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gypsy33's avatar

The decimation of the vast majority of Amerikkka’s indigenous people was a contorted sense of “Christianity “ coupled with greed and a warped sense of entitlement.

Native Americans: fighting terrorism since 1492.

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Hurricane's avatar

Who is the fool? Where is the obligation to act?

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mois78's avatar

This racist supremacist country voted for an African communist Muslim POS? Unless it was rigged like voting for a retarded octagenerian.

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Ron Stockton's avatar

If by "this racist supremacist country" you mean the USA I can agree if you are referring to the capitalist/fascist ruling class, with the addition of "white" in front of "supremacist". If by "African communist Muslim" you mean Obama, he is not African (anymore than all of us are as we originated there), he is definitely not communist, and he is not Muslim. But, what if he was? Are you one of the racists in the USA that support the ruling class? If you mean the election is "rigged" in that it doesn't matter whether you vote Republican or Democrat you will get a capitalist government that supports the ruling class and shits on the working class, then I agree all elections in capitalist countries are "rigged". Your final two words are both ableist and ageist and would indicate you are ignorant of facts and decent, respectful, social decorum.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Well responded Ron Stockton - I share your sentiments.

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Hurricane's avatar

Disagree. We are who we choose to become and taking action to make positive change is work and challenge and yet quite possible. It is not simply our right, it is our obligation as Americans.

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Hurricane's avatar

I consider myself an American ‘progressive’ duh…? I am the child of a European immigrant. I was one first among young women admitted to the colleges where I went and then global companies.

We are and can be ‘ great’ if as a country our systems allow for advancement for those who did not define and take hold in leadership … now women , individuals who of different backgrounds.. and more.

We are essentially immigrants who come together to advance a better world. We should not become afraid. We should learn and advance what are our greatest attributes .

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bill wolfe's avatar

America has great principles to aspire to: freedom, justice, tolerance, democracy, social mobility, religious and political rights, scientific rationality, the public good, public lands, etc.

You want it? You gotta work for it, not whine about its failures.

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Influence through Confluence's avatar

None of these principles you speak of are an invention of the modern day America you speak of. All of these principles have been in practise in one form or another everywhere else, in ancient Mesopotamia, Persia, Greece, Rome, Inca empire, India, China, everywhere. Stop whitewashing the history.

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bill wolfe's avatar

I never claimed exclusive ownership of this principles, so don't put words in my mouth. And that's not whitewashing history - the so called US "founders" were creatures of the enlightenment and students of history.

That's why I urged Caitlin, in a separate comment, to Google JD Vance and the "Dark Enlightenment"

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Lou Pintada's avatar

"the so called US "founders" were creatures of the enlightenment and students of history."

The founders were typically slave owners, and did everything that they could to further the genocide of Native Americans.

The fact that many were involved in the "enlightenment" (i.e. were atheists or deists) doesn't really make them all that wonderful.

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bill wolfe's avatar

look up the word "aspire" then get back to me.

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Influence through Confluence's avatar

Again, I didn't put a single word in your mouth. You chose those words on your own accords. Anyone who reads it will assume what I have assumed. Stop using the big words like "freedom", "scientific rationality" for modern day America. What freedom? freedom to choose our leaders? What scientific rationality when majority of the Americans now believe that the universe is just a few thousand years old, Darwinism is a myth, evolution is a myth. People do want these things, who says they don't? But saying casually that "you gotta work for it" doesn't cut it. Nobody gave Black people the voting rights on a silver platter, they fought for it. Is that the kind of "working for it" you are referring to? All of these principles sounds great on paper, in theory but you need to have a government willing to work towards achieving these principles for the commoners, not shielding bit corporations and giving more rights to them than the average person.

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Selina Sweet's avatar

Why do I sense you are a relatively young person? If you don't claim your angels, you are left only with your demons. Which constitute a half-truth of reality. Isn't it unwise to derogate the virtues that at one time were important enough to settlers and their progeny fleeing nations ruled by monarchies (authoritarians)to install them in the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Your protest holds important seeds for thought in it. It also is a testament to the fact some shreds of democracy still exist in the USA. I lived in Zaire (Congo) when Mobutu

was President. Were you to publish such a protest in kind in a visible publication, what do you suppose would happen to you, your family? So avoiding the "perfect", we are forced to face the gray area between the absolutes of all good and all bad. We live in between. As re science and rationality - it definitely distresses to witness the anti-intellectualism and replacement of rationality with emotionality that's in assent in a lot of quarters, especially the Trump world, a fact-free one. Isn't the integration of high values (freedom, justice, compassion, right-action, choice) whether in a macrocosm (a nation) or a microcosm (an individual) into functional governing structures (law) and (personal principles) a revolutionary process? Doesn't evolution always demand revolution? Choosing to let go of the old hollow illusions and opening to including what is missing? Your last sentence contains a critical insight. One that is at the base of our corruptability and corrupted institutions. Corporations worship one God: Materialism. Matter. Stuff. What happens when a corrupted species in Nature - like a tsunami of locusts - spreads over the earth? And after that happens, what happens next?

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bill wolfe's avatar

do you know what the word "aspire"means? I specifically said people had to fight for their principles and rights. Your interpretations are so perverse they must be in bad faith. And you don't get government to work without citizen activism.. I've never seen anyone more pervert my writings than the drivel you just spewed.

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Influence through Confluence's avatar

There’s a certain kind of contempt you have for the masses in your original comment, I am not sure if you can recognize it, otherwise you wouldn’t have framed your thoughts the way you did. I wanted to point it out and I did just that. No hard feelings. Peace to you.

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Ron Stockton's avatar

Why do people have to work and fight for their rights? The animal group we are currently talking about are all people so why shouldn't we just have our rights, why shouldn't we just respect everyone's rights? Working and fighting for rights makes it sound as if there is some outside power or evil force, other than people, trying to take away our rights. All nationalists, in my view, are opposed to others' rights (others' being at least those from outside the national border), have a view that the artificial borders that form their countries provide them some privilege to which others are not entitled, and allow them to go anywhere and do anything in the name of protecting their own rights. America is certainly a leader in that regard.

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Jill Tennent's avatar

I most certainly did not assume what you have assumed, A M, and I assume that I am not alone.

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unwarranted's avatar

The founders were elites who aspired to be ruling elites which they couldn’t be in their homeland. They installed a self-sustaining economy that kept the wealth in their hands and consigned the masses to hustling for the loose change. They feared majorities because majorities don’t revere privilege, and privileged is what they were.

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russian_bot's avatar

The Founding Fathers™ were oligarchs who wanted America for themselves exclusively. They wanted to cut out the Brits and cunningly invented the whole "liberty" and "freedom" charade to engage the plebes. The narrative worked, and continues to this day. Just ask most Americans, jingos that they are.

Sorry, forgot you are an American too, billie. Forget what I just said, it's not for you.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Of course the "founders" were elite capitalist oligarch seeking got preserve their privilege and their property. Tell me something I don't already know. The simplistic line off my critics in the thread - and several otter's - confuse the principle from the interest or the person advocating it. Simple error in thinking.. No ability to deal with nuance.

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unwarranted's avatar

Your comment suggested that America’s “great” principles can be achieved through hard work. I do hope that you continue to read Caitlin’s column religiously. Your regurgitation of empty propaganda is remarkable.

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mois78's avatar

There is a recent Tucker interview with Cernovich. A bit long, but full of spiritual, and consciousness ideas.

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Bryan's avatar

The lobbyists own the country. Money has destroyed America

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Paul Prendergast's avatar

🤦‍♂️

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mois78's avatar

Years ago before the Marxist libtard Geouz totally dominated America, the KKK took permission to march in Chicago, and we're protected by the police as they marched in a geouwish neighborhood. Nobody cried about being threatened.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

A Marxist cannot be a libtard (and a libtard cannot be a Marxist), and a Marxist (let alone a Socialist) has never dominated America. Please get your facts straight.

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Pippi Smythe's avatar

Amurdica was and is the military arm of the City of London.

Almost 500 invasions, overthrows, wars since 1776. Yet most US citizens cannot find their own country on a world map.

Tick tock, time is up

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L O's avatar

Biden?? His past? They are both disgusting, one just says it in public

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Bryan's avatar

Trump is the master of hyperbole and bullshit. The True Believers suck it up.

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mois78's avatar

America is a great power, and it's dollar is the best currency in the world because it is backed by bombers.

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Lena's avatar

the question is, why the certain population on Earth tolerates and supports racist supremacism, based on population replacement by means of extermination of humans? The "Jewishness" of this genocide is only a narrative made up by Zionists, so they can get full impunity. But the essence of what has been going on since the end of the WWII, when such genocidal supremacism was apparently prosecuted, has not changed and also the UN, issuing the shameful resolution of 1947, knew what it was condoning. Why? What is wrong with human mentality that it keeps supporting human hierarchy and civilizational supremacism? Not just in Israel, but also in the actions of the US, EU, NATO which, however, have become "smart" to camouflage former colonialism into "fight for democracy"?

In the post-colonial era, Zionists are the only people on Earth that are allowed to wage open colonialism with population replacement and conquest. How is this possible at all?

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Marsha's avatar

Settlor colonialism always leans toward genocide. That’s the only way to achieve majority status.then they can claim to be a democracy,

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I have to believe that the teachings of children to believe that "If you work hard enough" they can become one of these elite creatures is what continues this insanity!

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gypsy33's avatar

Agree CC! Does any parent truly want their children/ grandchildren to become bacteria swimming in the septic tank?

My husband was a tool and die maker for GM, a dangerous, dirty but well-paying job. I worked at various nurseries, tree farms and doing landscape. It was glorious but NOT well-paying! And we are perfectly content with our life choices.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Exactly. There are millions of miles of difference between us and them. If for instance we came in to say a billion dollars I seriously doubt either of us could spend it! Oh sure a new car (maybe even in excess!) fix the house or get a new one but never would we say oh let's take this money and go bomb the shit out of some people so we can steal their shit and get more money! I am content with what keeps me healthy and my dogs fed I don't need million dollar houses or boats! I sure as hell would use that money to say help the people in Yemen to defend themselves against these evil Zionist Nazis!

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi CC

If I had a billion dollars I’d buy Congress my own damn self!

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CarbonCopy's avatar

😂You do have a good point there!

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mois78's avatar

All governments are too afraid of Istael USA punishments if they said anything against the Genocide in gaza.

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Marsha's avatar

Not all, not China, Not Russia, as the biggest examples. But yess, US is a bullying state. Literally every Dem takes money from AIPAC…that is the campaign we end. StopAIPAC from controlling our elections. Last year a campaign was tried but never got off the ground. Any Dem or gop candidate for that matter ask is he/ she takes money from AIPAC. . , if yes, do not vote or donate to that person. Biden took the biggest donation in history

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Wizard's avatar

Human hierarchy is a feature, not a bug, it's part of the human condition.

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Lena's avatar

What? I am sorry for you that you believe that. It is of course not true. There is no "human condition". There are animal atavisms, yes, but human beings are known for their ability to transcend primitive animality and troglodyte mentality. If you look at who exactly was engaging in human hierarchy in the past, it is always those societies that are based on turning the citizens back into Iron Age by propaganda. That is not "human condition" but a deliberate effort to minimize the human and maximize the tribal animal. There are billions of people in the world that have never engaged and will never engage in dividing human beings into who is a master and who is a slave. However, there are those who do that. And those who do, are the ones who benefit from such division. Or their wannabe followers.

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todd smith's avatar

There's a good analysis of Israel's current state of collapse by Ali Abunimah of Electric Intifada on Danny Haiphong's channel a few days ago. Israel's economy is crashing and burning, and its recent strike on Yemen, directed by US satellites, shows a country desperately lashing out, trying to bring everyone else down with it, a kind of Samson Complex that will have a domino effect in the Collective West that has bought whole hog into Project Israel. The "Antisemitism" PR campaign being run out of Tel Aviv, New York, and London is bogus, pure propaganda that only plays to Western elites and Evangelicals, most of whom are probably genuine Antisemites. Israel's an Ideology more than a country.

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Jo Waller's avatar

The Collective West, the White Patriarchal colonialist neoliberal Empire IS Project Israel. That's why we will go down with it- we're trying to save our very existence.

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gypsy33's avatar

I watched that, Todd. Danny is in the top two of my favorite channels, along with Sabby Sabs.

Did you know that Haiphong is not Danny’s real surname? He adopted it in honor of the most bombed city during the Vietnam War.

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Stephen Walker's avatar

The US empire oligarchic plutocracy’s make-believe election theatrics are such a yawn for us out here on the periphery. Except that having either a senile-pervert-corrupt-genocidal-narcissist, or a soon-to-be-senile-pervert-corrupt-genocidal-narcissist, in charge of the nuclear codes that could destroy the world in a few minutes is not really ideal, to say the least.

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Marsha's avatar

Well what

is indisputable

someone is going to win. Trump says, he will give Israel nukes….as one example. He also says , for example, this rather shocking statement that he would close the California boarder with Mexico. . His VP pick is historically anti choice for women and even anti birth control.

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Hurricane's avatar

Ha. Ha. So be it that I went to a Catholic High School when women wher just beginning to lead. Yeah my friend Steve was captain of the football team… and he was running for School President

. He was my friend but I was encouraged and beat him. We did remain friends and I raised $$ money:). The same thing at Notre Dame. Few women accepted and of course top of the class. 8:1 ratio me. To women at that time. My friends and fellow ‘Dorm’ presidents were men and they encouraged me and I just passed on the election. Maybe I should have run(No). More on this. I learned much later and after corporate work I became a Director with a global bio pharma.

None of this matters now, but.

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Hurricane's avatar

The ‘thing is’ , as a change agent I should never pass on what is important and valuable for change. I hope Kamilah Harris deeply understands her power for change . That is I will support .

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Renee Marie's avatar

Kamala Harris?😂🤡😂🤡😂🤡

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CarbonCopy's avatar

That clueless Zionist Nazi whore doesn't even know where the southern border of the US is and she has no power. She is just another evil stooge committing GENOCIDE and TREASON!

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bill wolfe's avatar

come here and get a little closer to the flame. Maybe the heat and the burn will open your eyes and break through the yawn

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Lou Pintada's avatar

OK, Bill. A question.

What did you do, or what are you doing now that has ever made an actual difference. Think hard.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Professionally, I'll give you a few, off the top of my head:

1) my work with NJ Gov. Florio helped terminate 16 planned and financed polluting garbage incinerators (1 in each of 21 counties)

2) stopped miles of sewer and water lines that would have destroyed thousands of acres of forests and farms with paved development

3) strategist, researcher and drafter of campaign that amended the Constitution of the State of NJ to dedicate 4% of the corporate business tax to environmental programs - about $100 million per year

4) architect and drafter of regulations that protected 300 feet wide buffers (on both sides) of over 2,500 miles of streams and rivers (do the math to calculate the acreage)

5) architect and co-drafter of a law strictly limiting and regulating development in a 800,000 acre forested region, including a zoning density of just 1 unit per 88 acres of land, one of the strictest in the country.

6) part of a team that adopted strict nutrient pollution standards for sewage treatment plants to protect water quality and aquatic life.

7) Defended whistleblowers from retaliation and disclosed to the public agency wrongdoing

8) preserved an old growth sycamore forest on an island in the Delaware River

That's just some

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Lou Pintada's avatar

So, you:

1. stopped the state burning trash for electricity, and forced the state to instead landfill the trash, and buy coal fired electricty. I am very familiar with trash to energy systems, and you did the people of NJ a grave disservice.

2. stopped a sewer and water project forcing people to live where you decide rather than where they wanted to live.

3. In a campaign to raise taxes, but it isn't done

4. in a campaign to control land use your way rather than let people control the land that they supposedly own. And still not done. So a waste of time.

5. another campaign to control other peoples property.

6. standards not adopted

7. so these whistleblowers are free? or did they just get a defense?

8. again, it sounds like you were active in restricting someones freedom.

So, Bill clearly you are a menace to anyone that wants to be free, and earn a living. I bet you are heavy into censorship as well. The fact is, that your work has massive unintended consequences if complete, and it looks like most of the projects are never completed.

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Selina Sweet's avatar

I am really surprised, almost shocked at your diminution of the value and efforts of Bill Wolfe! Incredible! But, how you do that is fascinating. And central to your put downs is the assumption that a person should always have the freedom to do whatever he wants to do. Really? If you're open-minded enough, you may be interested in Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl. He survived a Nazi concentration camp. A most interesting human being. He gave a talk in Berkeley many decades ago. One image-thought has stayed with me. He said. "You Americans have a Statue of Liberty off one coast, the East Coast. You are missing the other half. You must have a Statue of Responsibility off the other coast, the West Coast. You cannot have liberty without responsibility."

Your assumption that one should be allowed to do whatever he wants on a giant floating island that is a continent is an assumption the corporations practice every single minute of the day. And how well has that been working for everyone, Lou?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"You Americans have a Statue of Liberty off one coast, the East Coast. You are missing the other half. You must have a Statue of Responsibility off the other coast, the West Coast. You cannot have liberty without responsibility."

Awesome quote. Thank you!

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bill wolfe's avatar

1) The recycling rates increased significantly, so I think the landfill disposal stayed about the same. Haven't looked at that data for awhile. But those 16 cancelled incinerators would have crated massive air pollution, especially toxic mercury, with significant health impacts. You failed to note those benefits. Incineration ws deemed a dinosaur technology "of last resort" and that has held true for 30 years.

2) the water and sewer were designed primarily for huge corporate office park expansion, not just residential. Again, you ignore the environmental benefits of land preservation. And there is plenty of developable vacant land in Trenton and many other NJ cities for the housing you claim to support

3) the CBT campaign did not raise taxes, it just dedicate them to environmental programs that benefit the public, instead of th diversion of those revenues to political patronage waste and abuse. So you don't know what you are talking about.

4) landowners do not have the "right" to use land in ways that harm the public or violate environmental standards. Your mind is in the 19th century.

5) ditto

6) When I was there, the phosphorus standard was adopted in a Technical manual (which has the same legal force and effect of a regulation). I understand it was later largely gutted by the Corzine administration. There as no followthrough on contemplated nitrogen standards. But that was after I was gone. Again, your facts are wrong.

7) some lost their jobs or resigned, some remained to fight another day. But their leaks and disclosures were effective in stopping bad shit. They Don't jail regulatory whistleblowers (at least not in NJ) they just fire them. Although th State did threaten to criminally prosecute me in my case

8) I restricted the "freedom" of the State DEP, who proposed to clearcut this gorgeous and unique forest because a tree had fallen and killed a camper! Again, your assumptions are all wrong.

I oppose all forms of censorship - I'm a free speech 1st A fundamentalist. I've worked to protect the public interest and am a menace to corporate power and corrupt politicians.

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Lou Pintada's avatar

OK, Bill. "You" have done some stuff.

Let's say, that you were actually actively involved in the stuff, and people don't just say, "Call Bill, he will protest anything!"

Counting only those things that actually were finished. "Planned" doesn't matter. What were the unintended consequences? So, you removed the rights of a developer (miner, logger, home owner). Where did that entity spend its money? On worse projects? You do realize that those people don't just cease to exist.

On 1. Does the coal fired plant that produces the electricity now emit any Hg? Duh, of course it does. Does it emit more?

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bill wolfe's avatar

I can back this all up with receipts - or you can do the Google yourself.

Oh, and I'd add: 9) killed a sham air pollution trading program known as OMET.

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russian_bot's avatar

Receipts please, this forum doesn't trust google.

Also, proof you're in a skoolie and not in a plush mansion having sold to NJ mafia (albeit at the threat of losing your cojones).

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Stephen Walker's avatar

Your arrogance in telling me what to do is an even bigger yawn.

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bill wolfe's avatar

yawn ...

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Rula Abboud's avatar

Caitlin for President! You have my vote!!

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

unfortunately the well meaning people with brains usually do not run for president.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Correction: Dr. Jill Stein, Green Party. She has my vote. Please join me.

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INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

I will check her out ! so far I only heard of Emanuel Pastreich as independent. IMO the less rich/supported candidates should get just as much attention as the 2 frontrunners! It is a shame, that we barely hear of them. Thanks for the tip.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Check out Jill Stein's platform at: https://jillstein2024.com/platform

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

You are very welcome.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Joy

This will be the third time I’ve voted for Dr. Jill.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Kudos to you. I'm a repeat, too. Shamefully, not a 3-peat like you. Sometimes we fall off the wagon, but I'm back on it now!

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Joy

I also voted for Ralph Nader three times.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Kudos again! I only voted for him twice. But I have quite a few third-party onces!

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Caitlin is Australian. Caitlin for Prime Minister!

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Richard Romano's avatar

Thomas Merton said it correctly:

"The world is full of great criminals with enormous power, and they are in a death struggle with each other. It is a huge gang battle, using well-meaning lawyers and policemen and clergymen as their front, controlling papers, means of communication, and enrolling everybody in their armies"

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Renee Marie's avatar

I love Thomas Merton-fantastic writer! I have the book regarding his “death”.

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Longtrail's avatar

All candidates seeking office must pass muster with AIPAC🇺🇸🇮🇱 which serves the Deep State.

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Marsha's avatar

Literally Every Dem in a federal election takes money from AIPAC with a few exceptions from Michigan! This is why the Dems are so racist about the genocide of Gaza. Google it.. the list is horrifying . Might not be totally up to date . This is why I can no longer vote other than 3rd party. But I do live in CA where only a Dem can win. We need to break from the Dem hegemony among so called progressives. Biden literally paid for the Gazan genocide

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Sam's avatar

Republicans are just as captured by AIPAC as dems are. Look who signed the letter to the ICC for wanting to arrest Netanyahu. And Johnson just threatened to arrest any congress members who disrupt Netanyahu.

It the United States of Israel. They spiednonn Trump's WH and nothing happened to them.

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Renee Marie's avatar

This can show you how much the U.S. politicians get funded by Israel…https://trackaipac.com/😱

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Ned B.'s avatar

This news photo of President Biden checking his watch just screamed out for a meme modification.

https://nedb.substack.com/p/on-bidens-watch-genocide

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Marsha's avatar

Conflating anti Zionism with anti Semitism is the real anti Semitism of this era. Israel isn’t a Jewish issue, it is. Left/Right issue. My 100 % Jewish family were never Zionist, we lean left.

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SW's avatar

Trump had Miriam Adelson in his VIP box at the convention. She’s the widow of billionaire Sheldon Adelson and has pledged a superpac of $100 million to him. A rabid Zionist, we don’t have to think too hard what she expects for her money.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

I believe I read reports that when Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, he said it was for her.

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mois78's avatar

Are you also a Talmudist?

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Kojo's avatar

The ICJ ruling is only about the West Bank, but Israel is also an illegal invader and settler-occupier of the Golan Heights, which is part of Syria. Which also needs to be part of this case.

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Longtrail's avatar

Pre-1948.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Nope - the Golan Heights was occupied by Israel after the 1967 6-day war.

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Deena Stryker's avatar

Wherre would we be without you, Catelin?

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JennyStokes's avatar

Well then I must be antisemitic because I look at this butchery in Palestine by the Jews/Zionists as religion gone MAD.

I look at the politicians who support them as evil incarnate. How can any normal person not feel the pain and suffering of the Palestinians which is endless.

After watching the last part of the RNC (gathering) I see a similar religious country happening which is beyond terrifying.

Religion and politics MUST be kept separate.

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Joseph McMillin's avatar

I think the Abrahamic faiths are being shepherded toward their mutual destruction by the minds that created and control them. The Sabbateans aren’t Jews. They are atheists, if not Satanists. I think they hate religion, and I think they’re intentionally making a horrific mockery of it. I think they despise this hero v. villain duality that dominates Christian and Islamic thinking. They’re following the left hand path to destroy that framework forever. The Kabaala, as I understand it, is basically an embrace of Eastern thought. The Masons’ induction ceremony has the new member cross the room from West to East to symbolize the path of wisdom. I think a mistake the dissident community makes us overly simplifying the perceived enemies. They have their philosophies, I assure you. Not saying they’re right, or certainly ethical, but they are complicated.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Thanks for this Joseph.

I do know how complex 'religion' is which is why I believe it should have NO place in politics.

Many people who support religious doctrines are of a 'sheep like' mentality putting their trust erroneously in a saviour.

When Empires decline it seems more people turn to religion and the people in power use this as a tool to a)crush dissent and b)disallow other religions.

I saw this happen in Sri Lanka after Independence when the powers that be decided there was to be only one religion .....which in SL was Buddhism. Despite the fact that the country had Muslims/Hindus/Catholics etc.

This caused Civil Wars and mayhem.

Myanmar is another example.

I see this happening now in the US which I find extremely frightening.

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Feral Finster's avatar

"There do appear to be empire managers who dislike Trump, but only because they view him as a poor steward of the empire for being very unsubtle about the things it does, like saying “we’re taking the oil” in Syria or having social media flame wars with Pyongyang. Really he could not have provided more publicly visible evidence that he’s fully aligned with the network of government agencies and plutocrats known collectively as the deep state over the four years of his presidency, but the power of narrative is so strong that that’s all completely invisible now."

The concern is that America's puppets, satraps, lackeys, slaves, catamites and buttbois will less blindly follow orders from a gauche loudmouth like Trump.

In 2008, an internal CIA memo noted much the same. Obama made Europeans swoon, but they detested the evangelical cowboy Bush and the swaggering neocon McCain.

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Sam's avatar

Yup. And every democrat who was against the Bush wars turned in favor of them once Obama continued them. I had shitlibs arguing with me about the cowardly use of drones that killed civilians. One person said that they saved our soldiers lives. I said our soldiers had no business being there.

Remember Obama’s peace prize speech that was grade pro war? It should have been yanked from his bloody hands.on kill list Tuesdays Obama said that he’s good at killing!

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Jo Waller's avatar

If by catamite you're referring to the UK, we have many Trump supporters here too you know. And our very own MAGA, the Reform party, now has 5 seats including Farage's.

True, no one fancies them like we did JFK and Obama, but we will follow orders from an orange loudmouth just the same as we do from a demented old perv.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Jo Waller, in one funny sentence or two, you said it all. I do love the sarcastic humour. Let me join the russian_bot and award you the laughing Emoji. 😂

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Feral Finster's avatar

The uk is not the only American catamite, or even the only eurocatamite.

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russian_bot's avatar

Atta Brits 🤣

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Michael's avatar

The great thing about a Trump presidency is that the shitlib voters hate him so much that they will suddenly find their morality and protest the coming wars whereas ‘their candidate’ could do just about anything. Of course, the Trump cult will suddenly be all into saving democracy from the ‘communists’ trying to corner the microchip market

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Sam's avatar

Maybe. When Trump bombed Syria they complained that he only hit empties buildings and gave Putin a heads up. And when he pulled troops out of Syria they complained that he left the Kurds high and dry.

They were against the Bush wars until Obama inherited them. And even if they’re pro Palestinian they are still voting for Biden. Oh yeah and they are rapid pro Ukraine because they were told to hate Putin and Russia. Boggles my mind that they insist that they are anti war.

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Michael's avatar

They’re pro 401k. That’s it. They’d be anti war if it meant their 401k lost value

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Magida Abolhosn's avatar

Antisemitism does not apply. All arabs, jews, and specifically Palestinians are semites, no matter the religion so thats the first problem. In fact the only semites are the arabs and jews. Palestine is for all religions and setting it up as a Jewish state while depriving the indigenous population, for western interests british and american to steal land and resources is the second problem.

Third problem is using Judaism as a guise to commit ethnic cleansing , as they have a prior history of the same, so they can get away with this, is a deranged superiority mentally of this colonizer .

Palestine has to be open for all religions, and all Palestinians must have the right to return to their original homes and land forcefully displaced since 1948 Nakba.

Colonizer israel represented by america and this mad brutal occupier regime has to be dismantled with a replacement of unifying government representative of the whole population . This is not about antisemitism, it’s about ending an unlawful occupation, and abiding by international law . Americans should be outraged as they go without, in order to support, fund and arm a zio aipac lobbyist agenda. we need to end lobbyists and corporate power which are leading to a destruction of this country .

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Renee Marie's avatar

Magida I agree! Years ago, I wasn’t educated at all about Israel and Palestine. It’s embarrassing! But, I know a whole lot more now, because I have a very OPEN mind.

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Lee  R Pearlman's avatar

There were no indigenous people. They were nomad Bedouins. In 1947 the UN resolutions legally established Israel as the Jewish State-while simultaneously providing for a parallel Palestinian State-which was refused because the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem trained by the German Nazi's taught these folks to be abject Jew haters. Also-other Arab nations deceived Palestinians into believing that they had their backs. The sad reality is that these other Arabs looked their noses down on Palestinians to be used only for political purposes. To these other Arabs, Palestinians were viewed in much the same way that the upper castes in India viewed the untouchables.

By the way there is a Palestinian nation: Jordan, in which approximately 95% of the population is Palestinian-but the nation is run by the Hashemites that comprise less than 5% of Jordan's population. That sad situation is yet another example of many Arabs mistreating Palestinians as untouchables.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Hasbara, in the house!

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Magida Abolhosn's avatar

It’s not about hating jews. The christians kicked jews out of europe the arabs and muslims took all the jews in. As they are both the children of Abraham. Trying to change the narrative doesn’t change the truth .

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Magida Abolhosn's avatar

Inaccurate. There are Bedouins there who are also being disposed of their land by israel and the usa. Its about profit oil gas and money Read some history . Illan Pape the “ethnic cleaning of Palestine “ or The hundred year war on Palestine. These are all historical references.

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