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Lou Pintada's avatar

So, you:

1. stopped the state burning trash for electricity, and forced the state to instead landfill the trash, and buy coal fired electricty. I am very familiar with trash to energy systems, and you did the people of NJ a grave disservice.

2. stopped a sewer and water project forcing people to live where you decide rather than where they wanted to live.

3. In a campaign to raise taxes, but it isn't done

4. in a campaign to control land use your way rather than let people control the land that they supposedly own. And still not done. So a waste of time.

5. another campaign to control other peoples property.

6. standards not adopted

7. so these whistleblowers are free? or did they just get a defense?

8. again, it sounds like you were active in restricting someones freedom.

So, Bill clearly you are a menace to anyone that wants to be free, and earn a living. I bet you are heavy into censorship as well. The fact is, that your work has massive unintended consequences if complete, and it looks like most of the projects are never completed.

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Selina Sweet's avatar

I am really surprised, almost shocked at your diminution of the value and efforts of Bill Wolfe! Incredible! But, how you do that is fascinating. And central to your put downs is the assumption that a person should always have the freedom to do whatever he wants to do. Really? If you're open-minded enough, you may be interested in Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl. He survived a Nazi concentration camp. A most interesting human being. He gave a talk in Berkeley many decades ago. One image-thought has stayed with me. He said. "You Americans have a Statue of Liberty off one coast, the East Coast. You are missing the other half. You must have a Statue of Responsibility off the other coast, the West Coast. You cannot have liberty without responsibility."

Your assumption that one should be allowed to do whatever he wants on a giant floating island that is a continent is an assumption the corporations practice every single minute of the day. And how well has that been working for everyone, Lou?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"You Americans have a Statue of Liberty off one coast, the East Coast. You are missing the other half. You must have a Statue of Responsibility off the other coast, the West Coast. You cannot have liberty without responsibility."

Awesome quote. Thank you!

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bill wolfe's avatar

1) The recycling rates increased significantly, so I think the landfill disposal stayed about the same. Haven't looked at that data for awhile. But those 16 cancelled incinerators would have crated massive air pollution, especially toxic mercury, with significant health impacts. You failed to note those benefits. Incineration ws deemed a dinosaur technology "of last resort" and that has held true for 30 years.

2) the water and sewer were designed primarily for huge corporate office park expansion, not just residential. Again, you ignore the environmental benefits of land preservation. And there is plenty of developable vacant land in Trenton and many other NJ cities for the housing you claim to support

3) the CBT campaign did not raise taxes, it just dedicate them to environmental programs that benefit the public, instead of th diversion of those revenues to political patronage waste and abuse. So you don't know what you are talking about.

4) landowners do not have the "right" to use land in ways that harm the public or violate environmental standards. Your mind is in the 19th century.

5) ditto

6) When I was there, the phosphorus standard was adopted in a Technical manual (which has the same legal force and effect of a regulation). I understand it was later largely gutted by the Corzine administration. There as no followthrough on contemplated nitrogen standards. But that was after I was gone. Again, your facts are wrong.

7) some lost their jobs or resigned, some remained to fight another day. But their leaks and disclosures were effective in stopping bad shit. They Don't jail regulatory whistleblowers (at least not in NJ) they just fire them. Although th State did threaten to criminally prosecute me in my case

8) I restricted the "freedom" of the State DEP, who proposed to clearcut this gorgeous and unique forest because a tree had fallen and killed a camper! Again, your assumptions are all wrong.

I oppose all forms of censorship - I'm a free speech 1st A fundamentalist. I've worked to protect the public interest and am a menace to corporate power and corrupt politicians.

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Lou Pintada's avatar

OK, Bill. "You" have done some stuff.

Let's say, that you were actually actively involved in the stuff, and people don't just say, "Call Bill, he will protest anything!"

Counting only those things that actually were finished. "Planned" doesn't matter. What were the unintended consequences? So, you removed the rights of a developer (miner, logger, home owner). Where did that entity spend its money? On worse projects? You do realize that those people don't just cease to exist.

On 1. Does the coal fired plant that produces the electricity now emit any Hg? Duh, of course it does. Does it emit more?

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Lou Pintada's avatar

And go back to the original question. What have you done that actually matters?

Will those lovely sycamores be there next year?

Your list of "great works" does not support the smug superiority you show in your comments.

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