Ronald Reagan had Marines in Lebanon. In 1983, October third they were hit by a truck bomb. The attack killed 307 people: 241 U.S. and 58 French military personnel, six civilians, and two attackers.
Reagan did not use that as an excuse to invade Iran. He pulled the rest of them out of there.
Yes, but today's leaders are not as restrained as yester year's. Also, 80's and Reagan's era was a different time in history (i.e. cold war - bipolar). From the 90s until very recently, we have had a unipolar world with US hegemony. Our current leaders still seem to be operating with the assumption that we are still in that unipolar environment. Their thought processes and information analysis are biased with their pre-existing worldview, which IMHO may be very different from where the world is currently.
Hence, I believe there is a greater risk now than ever before. Of course, whenever I make pessimistic assertions/predictions/thoughts, I always hope that I am wrong - because peace is more important than being right/wrong.
The US military personnel were killed because they were brainwashed into thinking Biden knows what he is talking about when he refuses to press for a ceasefire. Pelosi is bringing up the Russian scare again. Back to the days of McCarthy. What a bunch of crazy people who seem to have lost their ability to think.
Susan she's not going back to McCarthy, but going back to Trump, and the lie of Russia-gate that supposedly put him in office. No doubt many democrats still buy that lie since no one has been held accountable. She said, “I think some of these protesters are spontaneous and organic and sincere. Some, I think, are connected to Russia,” she claimed. “I think some financing should be investigated." I thought that comment was not only disingenuous but reflected her contempt for the American people.
Keep in mind that national guard troops are now being deployed to the middle east and many are already there. The guard is supposed to be defending only US soil not stationed in other countries. Their only option is to go AWOL and face the consequences which are severe. More rule reinterpretation by the government.
Would that not be an honorable thing - to face the consequences and maybe challenge the system instead of going overseas to kill or be killed for the oligarchs?
I guess you're right. It would be far better for the troops being deployed to all sit down and protest by using a flame thrower on themselves and the last remaining his 45 to his brain.
What is your definition of futile anyway?
Another approach would be for the national guard who are supposed to be protecting the constitution and US citizens to gather up arms against Washington DC. Wouldn't that be interesting?? That would not be futile and I'd join the party!
that's an incoherent take. The natural laws of animal instinct are inherently deterministic and oppressive. Fight or flight. The strongest survive. Concepts like fairness, magnaminity, and restraint in the interest of justice are unknown. There's no international agreement among cats to refrain from eating endangered bird species, for instance. (The fact that human laws against killing endangered species have often been disregarded does not override the fact that the ordinances have also had some partial success- or the fact that no animal species other than humans is even capable of formulating a concept as subtle as preserving natural diversity at the expense of immediate gratification.)
To the extent that human laws reify oppression or lead to oppression, it's because some of them are formulated and/or selectively enforced for the purpose of the oppression of the weak by the strong, to prevent the threat of competition, for territory or survival, and/or to maximize the advantage of a few at the expense of the rest, in a zero-sum game. That's as "natural" as it gets. A squandering of the unique capacity of reflective human awareness to do any better, but there isn't anything per se "unnatural" about it.
"The societies that have rules that don't oppress are not following human rules."
Got any specific real-world examples to reference? Your statement is so vague that I can't even tell whether you're referring to human societies or nonhuman societies.
I don't understand what you are talking about. First you said that rules and laws exist solely for the oppression of lower castes and then you said only nature makes the rules. So you think nature makes oppressive rules? There are rules for reaching consensus. As far as I know they are human rules. They are not oppressive unless you are one of those people that likes to take up all the space.
I don't really think that when people decide to patriotically go fight for their country that they think much except that they are being good patriots, doing what duty has called on them to do.
It seems you are confused as to _when_ it happens and for _which_ country.
For the US those poor souls are mostly ones seeking citizenship, pursuing a career, or pursuing financing of their subsequent careers. Most of them when they hear "thank you for your service" sneer mentally thinking what a stupid ass the utterer is.
If "railroaded" can be applied to them, then it can be applied to anybody.
You are not suggesting they are grabbed off the street the way they do in Ukraine? If not, then they proceed in the same way one would choose some other career path.
This is a pointless discussion, really. I think that people in North America are too often doing whatever they do in a robotic fashion and not thinking clearly.
The U.S. is full of alienated ghettos where schools have bars on the windows and going to school involve children going through a metal detector. Junkies on the streets, few jobs, no meaningful careers and wages below living wage standards ie eternal penury.
That’s the picture for where the U.S. military trawls through to recruit most of its “volunteers”
That’s the “freedom” the U.S. claims to be offering and those are the coercive conditions you seem to be comparing to Ivy League students flicking through brochures and speaking to a personal career counsellor about which six figures paying job to take.
All i can think of is a school yard bully then others piling on the innocent kid. And the rational is equally unjustifiable and ignorant. These people reveal who they really are without filters. The emperor has no clothes. I am so done with my country when the citizens have no way to make their voices of dissent,heard.
This isn’t a red/blue issue. Don’t forget that it was Trump who left the troops in Syria. He said it was so they could take the oil and maybe that was true, but most of our Middle East adventures are to make Israel more secure. It’s why Bush invaded Iraq and killed Saddam. Bibi wanted it done.
if brainwashing was involved it probably happened before it mattered what Biden knows, and even if after, I doubt any of them signed up for duty and dying because of what they thought Biden knows or doesn't know
I think it’s safe to assume all of our personnel over there have now taken on the role of bait. The Neocons are all too happy to hear about stories such as this. Anything they can use to justify more force.
What one must understand tho is that these Neocons are almost out of runway. They are playing a very dangerous game. Right now the US is operational. It’s being held up by a thin veneer of nostalgic confidence of a time in which we were indeed strong. An embarrassment now could lead into a cascading effect which guides into a dystopian time.
Here’s Larry Johnson’s podcast from today. Larry is former CIA Analyst for those who don’t know. Watched and read him plenty. He seems very agitated in this video.
“They didn’t die defending US interests, they died defending Biden’s refusal to press Israel for a ceasefire. Their lives were put at risk by Biden to defend Israel’s ability to continue its carnage in Gaza.”
One has to wonder if the lives of three US troops will cause enough backlash in Congress to shut down our "escapades" in the region and bring the rest of the troops home, leaving Israel exposed and pressured into ceasing their genocide in Gaza as per the ICJ's instruction. But if the deaths of 30,000 civilians (with over 12,000 of them being children) doesn't caused a backlash enough to shut down our arming the Israelis, maybe nothing on this earth would. The US oligarchy just wants to dominate the world, and it doesn't care if innocents are massacred and it doesn't really care if its cannon fodder--I mean soldiers--are killed as well. All life is worthless to billionaires except their own, of course.
The blood drinkers, the cabal, the psychopaths want war. This is what they want. They try everything they can and provoke as much as possible for WW3.
General Wesley Clark comment about war in the Middle East. The last country was Iran.
¨So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." Read More
General Wesley Clark Wars Were Planned Seven Countries In Five Years 2:12 min
Any 'War' with Iran would mean the deaths of thousands of US troops courtesy of SRBMs & IRBMs Saturating Air Defenses rapidly with Massed Volleys; Iran has Full Escalation Dominance in West Asia.
Such a 'War' would also mean the Implosion of the Global Economy due to 200+ USD per barrel Oil prices overnight, as well as the likewise implosion of the 'Rules Based International System.'
If the Americans have steeled themselves for all that, so be it!
People who take money to murder civilians, animals, and violate international law in return for piddling amounts of money, often for the pleasure of it. They can refuse to do any duty that violates international law and is not authorized by an act of Congress. How many children have you killed?
"Get out of the middle east. Just get the fuck out. Stop backing a genocide in Gaza, stop murdering people to shore up domination of world resources, and leave. Leave before you unleash something far worse than the nightmare you’ve already inflicted upon our species."
The people who control this country don't want to 'do it.'
"This is one of the reasons I push for an all-Independent/3rd Party White House."
The people who control this country do not want 'an all-Independent/3rd Party White House.' And since they are in control, they will not allow it. The Deep State, Power Elite, or whatever you wish to call it, has no intention of allowing the proles to have any say.
Any change for the better will involve the physical.
It's up to us voters. At the end of the day, we voters are the boss, we voters decide who to hire and fire, and it's time we voters take our responsibility seriously and stop being complacent.
"It's up to us voters. At the end of the day, we voters are the boss, we voters decide who to hire and fire, and it's time we voters take our responsibility seriously and stop being complacent."
At one time, in this country, there was a somewhat working democratic Republic, but there is no more. That has withered away to what is currently only a charade. In reality, we live in a plutocratic oligarchy.
I am sorry you have been deceived. The electoral process will not fix the problems in the United States.
Actually, I'm with you as far as the need. However, you seem to naively insist there can be one and it could be:
- more or less easily found
- and, more importantly, successfully implemented
And that's where we diverge. I maintain the solutions are numerous, at least hypothetically (since you can never tell whether it turns out to be a "solution" until you've implemented it), but neither can be implemented to the benefit of the regular folks, as the control is outside the reach.
"And that's where we diverge. I maintain the solutions are numerous, at least hypothetically (since you can never tell whether it turns out to be a "solution" until you've implemented it), but neither can be implemented to the benefit of the regular folks, as the control is outside the reach."
That's weasel talk. Of all these 'numerous solutions', you have not presented one.
I belive it is more theatre and posturing and political games (by the US). The US has too many geostrategic, geopolitical, financial, and security concerns and issues to really get out of ANY middle-eastern country it already is in. It might even use this "opportunity" to expand its military presence in the Middle East.
Why is it that even those I agree with call events in Gaza a "war" this is NOT, by any stretch of imagination a war. Palestine civilians have no bombs, planes, missiles, white phosphorous or tanks. As there are some Israeli military fatalities we must assume that there are some armed fighters in Gaza unless, of course, the Israelis are shooting each other as is alleged to have happened on 7/October but apart from this there is no armed resistance in Gaza so to define it as a WAR is atrocious.
I don't believe anyone quoted actually believes that the troops are fighting terrorism, or that BDS supporters are Russian agents. But what worries me is how many either believe, or are in the pay of those who believe in the fever dreams of Armageddon and the Rapture and Jesus coming back to preside over a time of massive destruction of the Earth and all the Bad People who aren't fundamentalist Christians. I recently read that the Zionist lobbies who have so much influence in US politics are mostly not Zionist Jews, but Zionist Rapture Ready (TM) Christians. And it sure does look like the world is careening toward the scenario that has been giving these deranged people wet dreams for years. Yes--it includes nuclear war, oh boy, here comes Doctor Strangelove, riding a rocket
Mary Wildfire: That so many with power over our lives actually believe in the Rapture is astounding and scary. I have read that they support Israel and Zionism because it means the Rapture will happen sooner. They need some medication.
I am releived when I see that there are people in the world who sees the US policies for what they are, cinical lies based on personal profit. I asked myself, does it matter what we simple mortals think, will that influence the decisions of those corrupt politicians who only care about personal gain? I believe it does, we should not underestimate the movement of the civil societies, it is us who can make revolution. Evey action matters, so keep up with BDS, speaking up, brinnging up awarness, donating to UNR WA and other organisations that are on the ground in warzones and protesting.It all matters
Wow, Caitlin, amen again! Your telling it like it is such a breath of fresh air, what with the level of false propaganda and the constant false claims that all of the U.S. and its allies' aggression ("the supreme international crime" according to the Nuremberg Protocols) is "justified". People having the courage, as you have, to speak the real truth to power about the unending imperial aggression(s) that the U.S. inflicts unceasingly, are fulfilling their DUTY(IES) to do so. You are of course right, it's all about resource preservation and control, and according to the empire, everyone must bow down to the extreme level(s) of evil unleashed by them. Thank God not everyone is fooled by the constant false propaganda and calls for everyone to blindly go along with the Empire's endless mass-murder.
The U.S. government and its allies are the war mongeriing scum of the Earth, having caused millions upon millions of deaths of millions of people, the vast majority of whom are civilians, a severe war crime. But the U.S. and its allies have committed atrocities with immunity and impunity for many decades now; and, no matter how much most of the American people and the people of the world don't want this endless war, we are completely ignored (even though We the People are supposed to be the ones who run the government, not war mongers and extreme criminals who have run everything for far too long), and the mass-carnage at their hands goes on ad nauseum no matter what the majority of the people want and don't want. But how do we take our government(s) back?
Let's wait and see whether they succeed. That's one. Secondly, the rulers often plan for things to go like this in order to introduce a real maneuver or two or more ready. Do you think Milei really intended to do what he ran on?
On top of all the murders of civilians we also commit heinous crimes against humanity such as torture and renditions which instead of holding Bush accountable for it,Obama decided that we should just look forward and forget that ever happened. If the UN was actually what it says it is every American president would have been brought up on charges. Other countries would have sanctioned the hell out of America. But instead….
I feel more that weary for them. I feel enraged that this is happening to them, I feel powerless to do anything about it. Weary, to me, just sounds tired. I feel a lot more than tired of this, although I am that too.
Ronald Reagan had Marines in Lebanon. In 1983, October third they were hit by a truck bomb. The attack killed 307 people: 241 U.S. and 58 French military personnel, six civilians, and two attackers.
Reagan did not use that as an excuse to invade Iran. He pulled the rest of them out of there.
Yes, but today's leaders are not as restrained as yester year's. Also, 80's and Reagan's era was a different time in history (i.e. cold war - bipolar). From the 90s until very recently, we have had a unipolar world with US hegemony. Our current leaders still seem to be operating with the assumption that we are still in that unipolar environment. Their thought processes and information analysis are biased with their pre-existing worldview, which IMHO may be very different from where the world is currently.
Hence, I believe there is a greater risk now than ever before. Of course, whenever I make pessimistic assertions/predictions/thoughts, I always hope that I am wrong - because peace is more important than being right/wrong.
The US military personnel were killed because they were brainwashed into thinking Biden knows what he is talking about when he refuses to press for a ceasefire. Pelosi is bringing up the Russian scare again. Back to the days of McCarthy. What a bunch of crazy people who seem to have lost their ability to think.
Susan she's not going back to McCarthy, but going back to Trump, and the lie of Russia-gate that supposedly put him in office. No doubt many democrats still buy that lie since no one has been held accountable. She said, “I think some of these protesters are spontaneous and organic and sincere. Some, I think, are connected to Russia,” she claimed. “I think some financing should be investigated." I thought that comment was not only disingenuous but reflected her contempt for the American people.
You seriously believe the US military personnel believes they are "defending" while deployed thousands of miles away from the US shores?
Keep in mind that national guard troops are now being deployed to the middle east and many are already there. The guard is supposed to be defending only US soil not stationed in other countries. Their only option is to go AWOL and face the consequences which are severe. More rule reinterpretation by the government.
Would that not be an honorable thing - to face the consequences and maybe challenge the system instead of going overseas to kill or be killed for the oligarchs?
It would be honorable and completely futile. It would accomplish absolutely nothing more than ending up an example for others NOT to follow.
Wrong. Look into the history of the Vietnam war. Troops rebelled.
At least assuring one's alive you're calling futile? Knowing one's in the right is futile?
I guess you're right. It would be far better for the troops being deployed to all sit down and protest by using a flame thrower on themselves and the last remaining his 45 to his brain.
What is your definition of futile anyway?
Another approach would be for the national guard who are supposed to be protecting the constitution and US citizens to gather up arms against Washington DC. Wouldn't that be interesting?? That would not be futile and I'd join the party!
Spending months/years in prison would be futile, and worse than death.
Rules and laws made by the oppressors are made to control those they oppress. If rules and laws were made by the people, things might be different.
that's an incoherent take. The natural laws of animal instinct are inherently deterministic and oppressive. Fight or flight. The strongest survive. Concepts like fairness, magnaminity, and restraint in the interest of justice are unknown. There's no international agreement among cats to refrain from eating endangered bird species, for instance. (The fact that human laws against killing endangered species have often been disregarded does not override the fact that the ordinances have also had some partial success- or the fact that no animal species other than humans is even capable of formulating a concept as subtle as preserving natural diversity at the expense of immediate gratification.)
To the extent that human laws reify oppression or lead to oppression, it's because some of them are formulated and/or selectively enforced for the purpose of the oppression of the weak by the strong, to prevent the threat of competition, for territory or survival, and/or to maximize the advantage of a few at the expense of the rest, in a zero-sum game. That's as "natural" as it gets. A squandering of the unique capacity of reflective human awareness to do any better, but there isn't anything per se "unnatural" about it.
"The societies that have rules that don't oppress are not following human rules."
Got any specific real-world examples to reference? Your statement is so vague that I can't even tell whether you're referring to human societies or nonhuman societies.
I don't understand what you are talking about. First you said that rules and laws exist solely for the oppression of lower castes and then you said only nature makes the rules. So you think nature makes oppressive rules? There are rules for reaching consensus. As far as I know they are human rules. They are not oppressive unless you are one of those people that likes to take up all the space.
I don't really think that when people decide to patriotically go fight for their country that they think much except that they are being good patriots, doing what duty has called on them to do.
I think most of them are looking for a job with benefits, sadly lacking in most places in Canada and the US.
Who are we kidding?
They’re folks that have brainwashed into believing “Amerikkkan exceptionalism”.
Unless one goes back to Vietnam and the draft, that’s my experience with those who’ve enlisted.
It seems you are confused as to _when_ it happens and for _which_ country.
For the US those poor souls are mostly ones seeking citizenship, pursuing a career, or pursuing financing of their subsequent careers. Most of them when they hear "thank you for your service" sneer mentally thinking what a stupid ass the utterer is.
I think military personnel are railroaded one way or another and I think it is horrible that they die for whatever reason they are there.
If "railroaded" can be applied to them, then it can be applied to anybody.
You are not suggesting they are grabbed off the street the way they do in Ukraine? If not, then they proceed in the same way one would choose some other career path.
This is a pointless discussion, really. I think that people in North America are too often doing whatever they do in a robotic fashion and not thinking clearly.
The U.S. is full of alienated ghettos where schools have bars on the windows and going to school involve children going through a metal detector. Junkies on the streets, few jobs, no meaningful careers and wages below living wage standards ie eternal penury.
That’s the picture for where the U.S. military trawls through to recruit most of its “volunteers”
That’s the “freedom” the U.S. claims to be offering and those are the coercive conditions you seem to be comparing to Ivy League students flicking through brochures and speaking to a personal career counsellor about which six figures paying job to take.
All i can think of is a school yard bully then others piling on the innocent kid. And the rational is equally unjustifiable and ignorant. These people reveal who they really are without filters. The emperor has no clothes. I am so done with my country when the citizens have no way to make their voices of dissent,heard.
This isn’t a red/blue issue. Don’t forget that it was Trump who left the troops in Syria. He said it was so they could take the oil and maybe that was true, but most of our Middle East adventures are to make Israel more secure. It’s why Bush invaded Iraq and killed Saddam. Bibi wanted it done.
if brainwashing was involved it probably happened before it mattered what Biden knows, and even if after, I doubt any of them signed up for duty and dying because of what they thought Biden knows or doesn't know
I think it’s safe to assume all of our personnel over there have now taken on the role of bait. The Neocons are all too happy to hear about stories such as this. Anything they can use to justify more force.
What one must understand tho is that these Neocons are almost out of runway. They are playing a very dangerous game. Right now the US is operational. It’s being held up by a thin veneer of nostalgic confidence of a time in which we were indeed strong. An embarrassment now could lead into a cascading effect which guides into a dystopian time.
Here’s Larry Johnson’s podcast from today. Larry is former CIA Analyst for those who don’t know. Watched and read him plenty. He seems very agitated in this video.
https://sonar21.com/my-podcast-on-the-impending-war-with-iran/
"our personnel over there" - what is it doing "over there"?
As long as it is "over there" it is a fair target for those who are actually from there.
I listen to Larry Johnson often on the Judge Napolitano show. Informative analyst/pundit for sure.
Napolitano's show is not at all what I would have expected, he's been kinda crushing it lately.
He took over the ukraine reporting after lira was disabled
oh wow I wasn't aware they took out gonz
“They didn’t die defending US interests, they died defending Biden’s refusal to press Israel for a ceasefire. Their lives were put at risk by Biden to defend Israel’s ability to continue its carnage in Gaza.”
One has to wonder if the lives of three US troops will cause enough backlash in Congress to shut down our "escapades" in the region and bring the rest of the troops home, leaving Israel exposed and pressured into ceasing their genocide in Gaza as per the ICJ's instruction. But if the deaths of 30,000 civilians (with over 12,000 of them being children) doesn't caused a backlash enough to shut down our arming the Israelis, maybe nothing on this earth would. The US oligarchy just wants to dominate the world, and it doesn't care if innocents are massacred and it doesn't really care if its cannon fodder--I mean soldiers--are killed as well. All life is worthless to billionaires except their own, of course.
The blood drinkers, the cabal, the psychopaths want war. This is what they want. They try everything they can and provoke as much as possible for WW3.
General Wesley Clark comment about war in the Middle East. The last country was Iran.
¨So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." Read More
General Wesley Clark Wars Were Planned Seven Countries In Five Years 2:12 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt7s_Wed_4
General Clark on the Iraq Invasion | American War Generals 2:59 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcWs4TFSjrY
General Wesley Clark - America's Foreign Policy "Coup" October 3, 2007 8:14 min
https://youtu.be/TY2DKzastu8?si=TzzqCAkYIL2nyQH9
Any 'War' with Iran would mean the deaths of thousands of US troops courtesy of SRBMs & IRBMs Saturating Air Defenses rapidly with Massed Volleys; Iran has Full Escalation Dominance in West Asia.
Such a 'War' would also mean the Implosion of the Global Economy due to 200+ USD per barrel Oil prices overnight, as well as the likewise implosion of the 'Rules Based International System.'
If the Americans have steeled themselves for all that, so be it!
Another Global Empire would bite the Dust!
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Start a war for 3 grunts, do nothing for all the people being tortured to death slowly by Warren Buffett in East Palestine.
It’s not for three grunts. It’s for the Zionists who run the U.S. Grunts were sacrificed by them.
Just who are you calling grunts?
People who take money to murder civilians, animals, and violate international law in return for piddling amounts of money, often for the pleasure of it. They can refuse to do any duty that violates international law and is not authorized by an act of Congress. How many children have you killed?
The death of every Empire in history has been accompanied by the following four traits :
- Breach of the social contract
- Hedonism
- Mass Debt
- Never ending wars
Anyone willing to hazard a guess as to the future of the empire???
Exactly. The United States will face karma and it better come correct now. The bill has come due.
"Escalation" is the rules based order as sponsored by Blinken the undertaker.
"Get out of the middle east. Just get the fuck out. Stop backing a genocide in Gaza, stop murdering people to shore up domination of world resources, and leave. Leave before you unleash something far worse than the nightmare you’ve already inflicted upon our species."
I absolutely agree, but how to make that happen?
Just do it.
This is one of the reasons I push for an all-Independent/3rd Party White House.
"Just do it."
The people who control this country don't want to 'do it.'
"This is one of the reasons I push for an all-Independent/3rd Party White House."
The people who control this country do not want 'an all-Independent/3rd Party White House.' And since they are in control, they will not allow it. The Deep State, Power Elite, or whatever you wish to call it, has no intention of allowing the proles to have any say.
Any change for the better will involve the physical.
It's up to us voters. At the end of the day, we voters are the boss, we voters decide who to hire and fire, and it's time we voters take our responsibility seriously and stop being complacent.
"It's up to us voters. At the end of the day, we voters are the boss, we voters decide who to hire and fire, and it's time we voters take our responsibility seriously and stop being complacent."
At one time, in this country, there was a somewhat working democratic Republic, but there is no more. That has withered away to what is currently only a charade. In reality, we live in a plutocratic oligarchy.
I am sorry you have been deceived. The electoral process will not fix the problems in the United States.
I'm sorry you have such as give-up attitude.
I have not given up. I believe it is time to change tactics. You should read my comments. I have stated this many times.
I'm sorry you're so easily duped.
Realist is fake.
Poor baby, did I hurt your sensitivity?
Brilliant riposte. LOL
You're never say that to my face and if you did.....
"You're (sic)never say that to my face and if you did....."
Only a dickhead would physically threaten someone on a blog.
Bill Wolfe is all howl and no bite. How's that? LOL
You're like the Nazi's in Ukraine: you like to provoke but then whine when you get a response. Fuck off.
An idle physical threat from an old pussy is not a response. It is a weak attempt at intimidation.
Read and think then act (this is as real as it gets!)
Around 1.5 million people took to the streets of Argentina in the first General Strike against Javier Milei's measures
https://publicservices.international/resources/news/around-15-million-people-took-to-the-streets-of-argentina-in-the-first-general-strike-against-javier-mileis-measures-?id=14663&lang=en
The perennial solution seeker. You crack me up "Realist"! How many solutions do you need?
"How many solutions do you need?"
Just one realistic one. What is your solution? All I see from you are smart-ass, childish replies.
Actually, I'm with you as far as the need. However, you seem to naively insist there can be one and it could be:
- more or less easily found
- and, more importantly, successfully implemented
And that's where we diverge. I maintain the solutions are numerous, at least hypothetically (since you can never tell whether it turns out to be a "solution" until you've implemented it), but neither can be implemented to the benefit of the regular folks, as the control is outside the reach.
"And that's where we diverge. I maintain the solutions are numerous, at least hypothetically (since you can never tell whether it turns out to be a "solution" until you've implemented it), but neither can be implemented to the benefit of the regular folks, as the control is outside the reach."
That's weasel talk. Of all these 'numerous solutions', you have not presented one.
Now why would you lie like that? I did. I said I'd like to go to Mars.
Are you going to say it's unrealistic? Well, is yours - Dismantling the Deep State™ - realistic?
"I said I'd like to go to Mars."
That is an excellent idea...pack your shit!
"Well, is yours - Dismantling the Deep State™ - realistic?"
In essence, that is how this country was born.
I belive it is more theatre and posturing and political games (by the US). The US has too many geostrategic, geopolitical, financial, and security concerns and issues to really get out of ANY middle-eastern country it already is in. It might even use this "opportunity" to expand its military presence in the Middle East.
Why is it that even those I agree with call events in Gaza a "war" this is NOT, by any stretch of imagination a war. Palestine civilians have no bombs, planes, missiles, white phosphorous or tanks. As there are some Israeli military fatalities we must assume that there are some armed fighters in Gaza unless, of course, the Israelis are shooting each other as is alleged to have happened on 7/October but apart from this there is no armed resistance in Gaza so to define it as a WAR is atrocious.
I don't believe anyone quoted actually believes that the troops are fighting terrorism, or that BDS supporters are Russian agents. But what worries me is how many either believe, or are in the pay of those who believe in the fever dreams of Armageddon and the Rapture and Jesus coming back to preside over a time of massive destruction of the Earth and all the Bad People who aren't fundamentalist Christians. I recently read that the Zionist lobbies who have so much influence in US politics are mostly not Zionist Jews, but Zionist Rapture Ready (TM) Christians. And it sure does look like the world is careening toward the scenario that has been giving these deranged people wet dreams for years. Yes--it includes nuclear war, oh boy, here comes Doctor Strangelove, riding a rocket
Mary Wildfire: That so many with power over our lives actually believe in the Rapture is astounding and scary. I have read that they support Israel and Zionism because it means the Rapture will happen sooner. They need some medication.
I am releived when I see that there are people in the world who sees the US policies for what they are, cinical lies based on personal profit. I asked myself, does it matter what we simple mortals think, will that influence the decisions of those corrupt politicians who only care about personal gain? I believe it does, we should not underestimate the movement of the civil societies, it is us who can make revolution. Evey action matters, so keep up with BDS, speaking up, brinnging up awarness, donating to UNR WA and other organisations that are on the ground in warzones and protesting.It all matters
Wow, Caitlin, amen again! Your telling it like it is such a breath of fresh air, what with the level of false propaganda and the constant false claims that all of the U.S. and its allies' aggression ("the supreme international crime" according to the Nuremberg Protocols) is "justified". People having the courage, as you have, to speak the real truth to power about the unending imperial aggression(s) that the U.S. inflicts unceasingly, are fulfilling their DUTY(IES) to do so. You are of course right, it's all about resource preservation and control, and according to the empire, everyone must bow down to the extreme level(s) of evil unleashed by them. Thank God not everyone is fooled by the constant false propaganda and calls for everyone to blindly go along with the Empire's endless mass-murder.
The U.S. government and its allies are the war mongeriing scum of the Earth, having caused millions upon millions of deaths of millions of people, the vast majority of whom are civilians, a severe war crime. But the U.S. and its allies have committed atrocities with immunity and impunity for many decades now; and, no matter how much most of the American people and the people of the world don't want this endless war, we are completely ignored (even though We the People are supposed to be the ones who run the government, not war mongers and extreme criminals who have run everything for far too long), and the mass-carnage at their hands goes on ad nauseum no matter what the majority of the people want and don't want. But how do we take our government(s) back?
You ask: "how do we take our government(s) back?"
Like this:
Around 1.5 million people took to the streets of Argentina in the first General Strike against Javier Milei's measures
https://publicservices.international/resources/news/around-15-million-people-took-to-the-streets-of-argentina-in-the-first-general-strike-against-javier-mileis-measures-?id=14663&lang=en
Let's wait and see whether they succeed. That's one. Secondly, the rulers often plan for things to go like this in order to introduce a real maneuver or two or more ready. Do you think Milei really intended to do what he ran on?
On top of all the murders of civilians we also commit heinous crimes against humanity such as torture and renditions which instead of holding Bush accountable for it,Obama decided that we should just look forward and forget that ever happened. If the UN was actually what it says it is every American president would have been brought up on charges. Other countries would have sanctioned the hell out of America. But instead….
It sure seems like Biden wants to bomb-bomb-bomb Iran. Of course it wasn’t Israel! Oh, didn’t Israel recently bomb an eastern neighbor, Syria or Iraq?
This is beginning to remind me of the French Revolution in the 1700s.
I have to agree that American soldiers do not belong in the Middle East. Nor do American weapons sold to Israel to bomb Gaza.
I’m really very weary of Biden’s bullshit, Israel’s genocide! Utter insanity!
you are weary, I am weary, think how the people of Palestine must feel? A lot more than weary.
But of course, I am weary for them , too.
I feel more that weary for them. I feel enraged that this is happening to them, I feel powerless to do anything about it. Weary, to me, just sounds tired. I feel a lot more than tired of this, although I am that too.