I can still picture myself reading the print Times as I rode the subway to high school at 16. Ludicrously, I was reasonably confident in the veracity of what I was reading. These days, I'm stunned if anything I see there connected with US foreign policy isn't already — or doesn't rapidly turn out to be — total rubbish. I have friends who still buy that printed version. And they don't even have a bird cage or a litter box to line, so I wonder what the hell they use it for.
Thing about all that is it was lying then too. (many others as well)
The Times is one of the worst offenders of very carfully curated propaganda desquised as investigative "jurnalism" and presented conveniently to a captive audience in every doctors office waiting room..
The trick they use so effectively is to pretend an interview is getting at a truth when in fact it's designed to seem like that with leading questions so the "expert" can then sell the deep states agenda with his "story"
'press freedom' has been another hoax for quite a while. i guess it was relevant back when revolutionaries still printed pamphlets in underground print shops. empire took care of that by corporatizing public information.
The new generation always thinks this shits new. Its just new to them.
Say what you want about Ayn Rand The fountain head and atlas shruged etc made very valid points about how popular news papers can make a saint a sinner and a monster a hero.
Talk about making a monster a hero. She was rapturous for a long time about a serial killer, because he wouldn't apologize. She considered selfishness the highest virtue. But this just illustrates the more recent fact that the MAGA crowd keeps howling that mainstream media can't be trusted--and they're right, but not for (mostly) the reasons they focus on.
Rand is the most misunderstood writer in history ..and not for any of the reasons most people think.
Her own tribal narcisism was apparent but I'm the idea of the artists visins as in the fountain head modern people indoctrinated into the hiarchy fallacy paradigm it does not make any send to them..The modern mind through generations is filled with notions of victimhood and obedience to authority in a hierarchy.
I knew I would get all these demonizing responses to the simple mention of her...
The same way the system turned everyone away from anything that hints how an idea and concept is valid no matter where it originates. This whole arrival is about that and yet here we have it demonstrated in its own living color.
And now I will be also vilified for pointing it out.
Vin - I grew up in home that had a subscription (paper on the doorstep) and viewed the NYT as almost godlike (from a credibility and elite/intellectual perspective). I was a loyal NYT reader for over 40 years. But it seemed that almost every time I read a story that I had expertise and direct knowledge of, I found problems, from minor to major, and these were not on foreign policy stories. Still, that did not shake my confidence in the paper, I assumed (mistakenly) that the errors were due to a reporter's lack of knowledge, laziness, or just honest mistakes in getting spun by sources. I maintained my subscription.
I was far more skeptical of the foreign policy coverage and always read it through an ideological lens.
My "awakening" came with the Iraq/WMD coverage - after which I cancelled my subscription and would only sometimes lurk and submit critical reader comments.
Still, I am disgusted even more by the Ukraine coverage, which set to tone for the Genocide propaganda.
Bill, since my comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, my experience is not all that different from yours in terms of the Iraq/WMD fiasco representing a turning point, although I'd have never characterized myself as a loyal reader once I got out of grad school. And I still periodically glance at the online version because there's often interesting cultural stuff worth a read. But since Iraq, I tend to approach the "gray lady" already informed by more reliable sources, hence it's almost a game of seeing how aghast I can be by how much the Times can distort reporting, or in Max Blumenthal's vernacular, how much journalistic malpractice I can accuse them of. Pretty sad.
I'm pretty much in the same boat now, but when I left grad school, I had shaken off the loyal reader posture (Ivy grad school replaced my working class intellectual elite identity and confidence needs) but I was very, very, very narrowly focused on my work.
The Empire of Lies is slowly but surely pivoting towards a 'Global War on Terror v2.0' footing so that the American people can be brainwashed to endorse War in West Asia once more. The problem is that the Empire's military cannot fight. Neither the Will, Readiness, nor Ability exists to prosecute such a Conflict... & there are too many other conflicts worldwide presently. 'Death by being overwhelmed by several crises' appears to be the manner of Death the Empire has chosen!
The Grayzone debunked the original story, as Caitlin points out. The Intercept is the one who has been bringing out the story of the internal issues that have arisen about the story inside the NYT.
“The Zionists indeed learnt well from the Nazis. So well that it seems that their morally repugnant treatment of the Palestinians, and their attempts to destroy Palestinian society within Israel and the occupied territories, reveals them as basically Nazis with beards and black hats.” - Norman Finkelstein
"Remember, most people in a famine don't die from hunger. As WHO puts it, “between starvation and death, there is nearly always disease”. This is how the genocide is being carried out." - @gathara > ... Joe Biden enjoys a deep groundswell of support from Jewish-Democratic benefactors, with giants in the worlds of Hollywood, Silicon Valley and Wall Street making up a significant portion of the U.S. president’s fundraising as he begins his reelection bid in earnest. here are supporters! > ..https://informationclearinghouse.blog/2024/02/10/these-are-the-jewish-megadonors-helping-fund-bidens-reelection-campaign/13/
We at NYT the paper of record have a long and proud record of printing all of the news that is fit to print..Now we are facing glaring accusations that because our top staff are Zionists we are biased against the Palestinians. This is blatant anti semitism and we report the struggles of the people of Israel as we see them and we report the terrorism of the Palestinians.It is true that our brave soldiers have had to kill some terrorists in Gaza and that few innocent civilians have sadly become collateral damage .When we can report that the brave and fearless IDF have finally cleared the Gazan scum out and located the rest to the wondrous empty spaces of Egypt we will resume our practice of fearless biased reporting .
Those people at the NYT must have not seen anything fishy going on at their establishment before this particular story. If they had and took action then, maybe this type of reporting would not become the rag's staple.
The New York Times is not alone in this. If you have been a regular reader or observer of any of this global cartel of mainstream propaganda outlets (
https://thetrustproject.org/. ) then over the years you will have seen a steady stream of real journalists replaced by government stenographers or outright propagandists.
John Pilger, in his later years, also noted the Guardian for example had thoroughly cleaned out real journalists from its newsroom and replaced them with court jesters.
This is a big scandal in the NYC but it’s going on everywhere, That’s why you cant read anything but garbage in all these media that are part of the dystopianly misnamed “Trust Project”.
@18:30, Max Blumenthal states that he was instrumental in breaking the story. I don't know, but considering he's a Jew, I think it important that he be given credit for (at least helping to) expose the story.
Just as the NYT intentionally chose a reporter with no qualifications other than the assurance that this reporter would produce the stories that the NYT wants printed, People Of Influence And Authority will have no problem finding willing servants.
For if the Establishment is good at nothing else, it is very good at determining whom to co-opt, whom to buy off, whom to neutralize, whom to ignore.
There must be a permanent ceasefire in Gaza in order to comply with the ICJ ruling. Not with Palestinians suffering under oppressive conditions, but as a place where all live with peace and equality. It is time for Pope Francis to do more than talk. He must go to Gaza and make a stand for peace and freedom.
Let us also support UNRWA. If our governments won’t act in accordance with humanity, then we will. https://www.unrwausa.org/donate You can do it in honor of Aaron Bushnell, or in memory of Hind Rajab.
These are a few small things we can do. If we can do more, let us do more.
“Never ask a man his salary, a woman her age and Israel for evidence.”
Not much left to ask then.
We can talk about the weather.
But then, even that is a conspiracy theory...
I tell my age because I think's ridiculous:84! Last year I was 30. How did this happen??
I think you mis-typed 29 🤣
USS 'Liberty' dead have entered the chat.
I can still picture myself reading the print Times as I rode the subway to high school at 16. Ludicrously, I was reasonably confident in the veracity of what I was reading. These days, I'm stunned if anything I see there connected with US foreign policy isn't already — or doesn't rapidly turn out to be — total rubbish. I have friends who still buy that printed version. And they don't even have a bird cage or a litter box to line, so I wonder what the hell they use it for.
Thing about all that is it was lying then too. (many others as well)
The Times is one of the worst offenders of very carfully curated propaganda desquised as investigative "jurnalism" and presented conveniently to a captive audience in every doctors office waiting room..
The trick they use so effectively is to pretend an interview is getting at a truth when in fact it's designed to seem like that with leading questions so the "expert" can then sell the deep states agenda with his "story"
'press freedom' has been another hoax for quite a while. i guess it was relevant back when revolutionaries still printed pamphlets in underground print shops. empire took care of that by corporatizing public information.
The new generation always thinks this shits new. Its just new to them.
Say what you want about Ayn Rand The fountain head and atlas shruged etc made very valid points about how popular news papers can make a saint a sinner and a monster a hero.
I read one of her books. Not only was it boring but horrible.
Talk about making a monster a hero. She was rapturous for a long time about a serial killer, because he wouldn't apologize. She considered selfishness the highest virtue. But this just illustrates the more recent fact that the MAGA crowd keeps howling that mainstream media can't be trusted--and they're right, but not for (mostly) the reasons they focus on.
Rand is the most misunderstood writer in history ..and not for any of the reasons most people think.
Her own tribal narcisism was apparent but I'm the idea of the artists visins as in the fountain head modern people indoctrinated into the hiarchy fallacy paradigm it does not make any send to them..The modern mind through generations is filled with notions of victimhood and obedience to authority in a hierarchy.
I knew I would get all these demonizing responses to the simple mention of her...
The same way the system turned everyone away from anything that hints how an idea and concept is valid no matter where it originates. This whole arrival is about that and yet here we have it demonstrated in its own living color.
And now I will be also vilified for pointing it out.
The matrix has most of you.
she was a piece of crap in so many ways.
She was the poster bimbo for the neo-cons. Don't bother reading her.
Vin - I grew up in home that had a subscription (paper on the doorstep) and viewed the NYT as almost godlike (from a credibility and elite/intellectual perspective). I was a loyal NYT reader for over 40 years. But it seemed that almost every time I read a story that I had expertise and direct knowledge of, I found problems, from minor to major, and these were not on foreign policy stories. Still, that did not shake my confidence in the paper, I assumed (mistakenly) that the errors were due to a reporter's lack of knowledge, laziness, or just honest mistakes in getting spun by sources. I maintained my subscription.
I was far more skeptical of the foreign policy coverage and always read it through an ideological lens.
My "awakening" came with the Iraq/WMD coverage - after which I cancelled my subscription and would only sometimes lurk and submit critical reader comments.
Still, I am disgusted even more by the Ukraine coverage, which set to tone for the Genocide propaganda.
Bill, since my comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, my experience is not all that different from yours in terms of the Iraq/WMD fiasco representing a turning point, although I'd have never characterized myself as a loyal reader once I got out of grad school. And I still periodically glance at the online version because there's often interesting cultural stuff worth a read. But since Iraq, I tend to approach the "gray lady" already informed by more reliable sources, hence it's almost a game of seeing how aghast I can be by how much the Times can distort reporting, or in Max Blumenthal's vernacular, how much journalistic malpractice I can accuse them of. Pretty sad.
I'm pretty much in the same boat now, but when I left grad school, I had shaken off the loyal reader posture (Ivy grad school replaced my working class intellectual elite identity and confidence needs) but I was very, very, very narrowly focused on my work.
The parallels in our experiences seem fairly robust.
I had a similar experience
Bill, you are the man— sorry to collapse to old signage.. I really like what you’ve got to say
The NYT has become an upper PMC coping mechanism along with narrative control/propaganda outfit.
Crossword or sudoku?
Sudoku
"all the news that fits, we print"
Mad Magazine
Judith Miller was the shark jump AFAIAC
Vin, Feral wouldn’t line his own litter box with that piece of shite.
Thanks for the "Lou Grant" reminder.
(bird cage)
don't know if I'm laughing or crying.
The Empire of Lies is slowly but surely pivoting towards a 'Global War on Terror v2.0' footing so that the American people can be brainwashed to endorse War in West Asia once more. The problem is that the Empire's military cannot fight. Neither the Will, Readiness, nor Ability exists to prosecute such a Conflict... & there are too many other conflicts worldwide presently. 'Death by being overwhelmed by several crises' appears to be the manner of Death the Empire has chosen!
(For those interested)
If you wish to read (& listen!) to more of My commentary, here is my Main Stack:
https://thefallofthewest.substack.com
Thank You Kindly to everyone!
Why is the rag The Intercept getting all the credit for de-bunking this story?
I’m pretty sure a lot of the credit should go to Max Blumenthal & Aaron Maté!
The Grayzone debunked the original story, as Caitlin points out. The Intercept is the one who has been bringing out the story of the internal issues that have arisen about the story inside the NYT.
“The Zionists indeed learnt well from the Nazis. So well that it seems that their morally repugnant treatment of the Palestinians, and their attempts to destroy Palestinian society within Israel and the occupied territories, reveals them as basically Nazis with beards and black hats.” - Norman Finkelstein
"Remember, most people in a famine don't die from hunger. As WHO puts it, “between starvation and death, there is nearly always disease”. This is how the genocide is being carried out." - @gathara > ... Joe Biden enjoys a deep groundswell of support from Jewish-Democratic benefactors, with giants in the worlds of Hollywood, Silicon Valley and Wall Street making up a significant portion of the U.S. president’s fundraising as he begins his reelection bid in earnest. here are supporters! > ..https://informationclearinghouse.blog/2024/02/10/these-are-the-jewish-megadonors-helping-fund-bidens-reelection-campaign/13/
Nice to see the NYT hoisted with its own petard. A casualty of its own propaganda. Will heads roll?
Will heads roll? Nope.
A head will role - exactly one scapegoat - and the rot at the top who drove the whole episode will remain.
Agree.
Only if the billionaire class profits from it.
Well, they are working hard to replace people as quickly as possible. AI flown drones and ChatGPT journalists don’t have pesky moral qualms.
We at NYT the paper of record have a long and proud record of printing all of the news that is fit to print..Now we are facing glaring accusations that because our top staff are Zionists we are biased against the Palestinians. This is blatant anti semitism and we report the struggles of the people of Israel as we see them and we report the terrorism of the Palestinians.It is true that our brave soldiers have had to kill some terrorists in Gaza and that few innocent civilians have sadly become collateral damage .When we can report that the brave and fearless IDF have finally cleared the Gazan scum out and located the rest to the wondrous empty spaces of Egypt we will resume our practice of fearless biased reporting .
You should write for the Onion, well done!
I want to write for the Onion! Do those people even get paid?
You are too modest in your proposal. May your just dessert be swift.
But but it's TRUE
Sorry but I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or if this post is genuine. Can you please confirm?
Not sure which post you are referring to Grant
Sorry, Jack.. I'm still figuring out how to navigate what is by now an old standard (threads and posts).. I get lost in the weeds
"We at NYT the paper of record have a long and proud record of printing all of the news that is fit to print.."
begs the question
Those people at the NYT must have not seen anything fishy going on at their establishment before this particular story. If they had and took action then, maybe this type of reporting would not become the rag's staple.
Or maybe they "looked the other way." Losing your job isn't fun.
Why would they risk it this time?
Same reason Aaron Bushnell acted.
They were going to be sent to the front lines? You comparing soldiers with writers?
Btw, if soldiers took less dramatic actions in less dramatic situations then acts like Aaron's wouldn't have to take place.
Yes I am.
Perhaps if you did more reading, you would understand that soldiers and writers can share a moral revulsion of genocide, you moron.
Forgot you consider yourself a writer, hence very important, so the pomposity needed to be brought in.
And what does the smartypants have to say about the second paragraph?
Fantastic article Caitlin Johnstone! Thank you so much for voicing and putting into words the thoughts and sentiments of so many of us.
Thank You!!
The New York Times is not alone in this. If you have been a regular reader or observer of any of this global cartel of mainstream propaganda outlets (
https://thetrustproject.org/. ) then over the years you will have seen a steady stream of real journalists replaced by government stenographers or outright propagandists.
John Pilger, in his later years, also noted the Guardian for example had thoroughly cleaned out real journalists from its newsroom and replaced them with court jesters.
This is a big scandal in the NYC but it’s going on everywhere, That’s why you cant read anything but garbage in all these media that are part of the dystopianly misnamed “Trust Project”.
Luke Harding immediately springs to mind.
@18:30, Max Blumenthal states that he was instrumental in breaking the story. I don't know, but considering he's a Jew, I think it important that he be given credit for (at least helping to) expose the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gHl5XYwYzU&
I don't claim to know "the truth". Blumenthal and Mate are excellent reporters and "They Greyzone" a useful web-site.
Just as the NYT intentionally chose a reporter with no qualifications other than the assurance that this reporter would produce the stories that the NYT wants printed, People Of Influence And Authority will have no problem finding willing servants.
For if the Establishment is good at nothing else, it is very good at determining whom to co-opt, whom to buy off, whom to neutralize, whom to ignore.
and who to destroy as use an example of the consequences of acting conscientiously and not doing the line.
The term "neutralize" may be read as euphemism.
Refer to it as Zaka-NYT.
Problem solved.
MSM is done. No one who possesses an actual working brain sees them as anything other than the propaganda arm of the empire.
There must be a permanent ceasefire in Gaza in order to comply with the ICJ ruling. Not with Palestinians suffering under oppressive conditions, but as a place where all live with peace and equality. It is time for Pope Francis to do more than talk. He must go to Gaza and make a stand for peace and freedom.
Please sign the petition and share widely.
https://chng.it/CRQ7qw4Gzn
Code pink
https://www.codepink.org/cnngaza?utm_campaign=12_15_pali_update_alert_3&utm_medium=email&utm_source=codepink
Let us also support UNRWA. If our governments won’t act in accordance with humanity, then we will. https://www.unrwausa.org/donate You can do it in honor of Aaron Bushnell, or in memory of Hind Rajab.
These are a few small things we can do. If we can do more, let us do more.