Talk about making a monster a hero. She was rapturous for a long time about a serial killer, because he wouldn't apologize. She considered selfishness the highest virtue. But this just illustrates the more recent fact that the MAGA crowd keeps howling that mainstream media can't be trusted--and they're right, but not for (mostly) the reasons they focus on.
Rand is the most misunderstood writer in history ..and not for any of the reasons most people think.
Her own tribal narcisism was apparent but I'm the idea of the artists visins as in the fountain head modern people indoctrinated into the hiarchy fallacy paradigm it does not make any send to them..The modern mind through generations is filled with notions of victimhood and obedience to authority in a hierarchy.
I knew I would get all these demonizing responses to the simple mention of her...
The same way the system turned everyone away from anything that hints how an idea and concept is valid no matter where it originates. This whole arrival is about that and yet here we have it demonstrated in its own living color.
And now I will be also vilified for pointing it out.
Your mistake is to think that because Rand championed nonconformity she must be a hero even though she also worshiped selfishness, even in the extreme of getting starry-eyed over a mass murderer--because he showed no remorse. So he was so wonderfully nonconformist! Her family fled the USSR, and she reacted against the advent of communism, a rather extreme embracing of the common good over individual interest, by embracing the opposite extreme. The notion that we are and should be separate individuals, each focused on Number One, is contrary to human nature--with the exception of sociopaths, we need each other, we benefit from setting things up so that everyone benefits, so we work cooperatively. Most of us feel good when we help others, when we are able to work i n harmony with others. Seeing oneself as in constant conflict with others, and seeking to triumph over everyone else, is sickness.
First off saying I mistake her ideas around none conformity as hero worship is exagerating my actual opinion.
Her talking about one minded artistic expression is then seen as selfishness is an inaccurate portrayal of the concept.. If you read the fountain head it was about that notion that true artists often have their work stolen by capitalists.
The murderer she used as example to demonstrate a concept about the mind of a murderer and sociopath was then taken as she advocated the murderer ...It fascinated me how so many people can not see the context distortions in the demonizing of others for opinions that might be used to counter their own naratives as though provoking examples .
This is how people are demonized to discredit them.
Twist their thoughts and words around to mean the opposite of what they try and convey. Most of the time this is taken from second hand opinion as fact.
This is how the system admins Caitlin is talking about do it
IF you are talking of Ayn Rand she was a Libertarian and was totally against any hand outs for poverty stricken people or anyone else for that matter. I understand she was getting Govt. help at the end of her life.
I can't agree with her there..but how much of that is misrepresenting ..
My point I'm attempting to make is demonizing people is exactly how the system destroys the messages even when there are some good ones..and saying she had no good ones because of look over there at this is exactly partly how its done to turn you away from other valid concepts ... Caitlins entire point ..and mine is how demonizing to discredit is a pervasive method of mind control..
Rand was not wrong in the artists mindset of the fountain head .. But destroying that free will in people is why they don't want you to understand self actualized power that is not beholden to state power.
It makes her a hypocrite. does being a hypocrite make someone lesser? it went against her self professed bullshit philosophy. I submit being a hypocrite on this subject made her lesser, correct, because that bullshit philosophy contributed to the damaging the quality of life of people who depend on social security.
I notice the hate directed at her from all these comments and if I defend her it will be turned onto me...the essence of this entire thread will prove the point of social engineering to make Orwell two minute hate embraced even to good people .. So that where she may have gotten things right can be effectively dismissed and destroyed ..
Its uncanny and ironic how every time I test this it's proven true..
The fact most can't see this psycological prison they are in is fascinating to me. And no wonder.
It would take reams of paragraphs of explainiation of how this all works.. And how deep the onion layers go to get to the core of how deeply embeded social and cultural indoctrination is.
Rands antagonists and protagonists are flipped on their heads because no one seems to understand the real point of it. And it's a lot to help people process why,,, So they attack her politics and appatent Nazi-ish mindset . the systems mind controllers we are under are ten steps ahead at any given time.. And I will have to be made into Orwells Goldberg now for meantioning it.
She was not a good person. She is being attacked because she was such a hypocrite and so dishonest, and the philosophy she espoused inspired some of her highly influential followers to go out and make society a lot worse.
Going down this horrid rabbit hole does have a point at the end..
Was she actually a hypocrite or is this an opinion you picked up from somone elses opinion used to deride her valid concepts?
Dont get all knee jerky im asking specific questions to lead to an idea.. The very "upset" built into emotional investments in certain images of a person can be falsely manufactured .. And we owe it to ourselves to self exam in where we might also be victims of it.
And so the system admins who created a social order where a person can be demonized as hypocrite (true or false) can than have any valid concept thrown out with the bath water..?
The point being ..rands fountenhead novle made valid points on the protagonist and antagonist in its story but most people have it backwards.. They see the true artist as selfish and the one stealing his works to make it his own as the hero..who becomes succsefull stealing from the "fountenhead"
But will you even read the fountenhead because you have a built in pre bias to her work derived by others opinions..
It is part of Caitlins own post about how consent is manufactured and how propaganda can spread as belife if made opinion and presented as "offical" and "authorative"
It all ties in and I'm not so sure I can make this clear in one paragraph .. She's demonized so any true concept can be effectively dismissed...this is done many ways to other people like Caitlin and all the rest of us alternative thinkers
Caitlins point was how the media can have people beliving lies and demonizing others who might tell truths..
I casually meantion Rand and get hit with a pile of pre biased emotionally derived opinions on her that effectively are then discarding any valid concept she might have had..
I get it The neocon philosophy derives a lot of similar pick yourself up by the boot straps mentality that has them look down on the needy..and thus see them as "bad people" for it..(not untrue) but then people trying to talk about cultivating a strong actualized personality type that can fight for whats right instead of being milqutoasts and subservient to a highearchy .. She made the point about that and this is taken out of context ..this is the perfect example of how people can be demonized to be dismissed. And thus these concepts can never be positive influence either.
Talk about making a monster a hero. She was rapturous for a long time about a serial killer, because he wouldn't apologize. She considered selfishness the highest virtue. But this just illustrates the more recent fact that the MAGA crowd keeps howling that mainstream media can't be trusted--and they're right, but not for (mostly) the reasons they focus on.
Rand is the most misunderstood writer in history ..and not for any of the reasons most people think.
Her own tribal narcisism was apparent but I'm the idea of the artists visins as in the fountain head modern people indoctrinated into the hiarchy fallacy paradigm it does not make any send to them..The modern mind through generations is filled with notions of victimhood and obedience to authority in a hierarchy.
I knew I would get all these demonizing responses to the simple mention of her...
The same way the system turned everyone away from anything that hints how an idea and concept is valid no matter where it originates. This whole arrival is about that and yet here we have it demonstrated in its own living color.
And now I will be also vilified for pointing it out.
The matrix has most of you.
Hi Chaz
I have never read any of her books, but perhaps will now, for the simple reason of curiosity.
Prepared to be thoroughly bored and horrified.
😂
Your mistake is to think that because Rand championed nonconformity she must be a hero even though she also worshiped selfishness, even in the extreme of getting starry-eyed over a mass murderer--because he showed no remorse. So he was so wonderfully nonconformist! Her family fled the USSR, and she reacted against the advent of communism, a rather extreme embracing of the common good over individual interest, by embracing the opposite extreme. The notion that we are and should be separate individuals, each focused on Number One, is contrary to human nature--with the exception of sociopaths, we need each other, we benefit from setting things up so that everyone benefits, so we work cooperatively. Most of us feel good when we help others, when we are able to work i n harmony with others. Seeing oneself as in constant conflict with others, and seeking to triumph over everyone else, is sickness.
Lot to unpack here.
First off saying I mistake her ideas around none conformity as hero worship is exagerating my actual opinion.
Her talking about one minded artistic expression is then seen as selfishness is an inaccurate portrayal of the concept.. If you read the fountain head it was about that notion that true artists often have their work stolen by capitalists.
The murderer she used as example to demonstrate a concept about the mind of a murderer and sociopath was then taken as she advocated the murderer ...It fascinated me how so many people can not see the context distortions in the demonizing of others for opinions that might be used to counter their own naratives as though provoking examples .
This is how people are demonized to discredit them.
Twist their thoughts and words around to mean the opposite of what they try and convey. Most of the time this is taken from second hand opinion as fact.
This is how the system admins Caitlin is talking about do it
Well she died alone and in poverty and had no friends!
Is that how most Palistinians are dying? Just a thought..
Does poverty make people lesser?
IF you are talking of Ayn Rand she was a Libertarian and was totally against any hand outs for poverty stricken people or anyone else for that matter. I understand she was getting Govt. help at the end of her life.
I can't agree with her there..but how much of that is misrepresenting ..
My point I'm attempting to make is demonizing people is exactly how the system destroys the messages even when there are some good ones..and saying she had no good ones because of look over there at this is exactly partly how its done to turn you away from other valid concepts ... Caitlins entire point ..and mine is how demonizing to discredit is a pervasive method of mind control..
Rand was not wrong in the artists mindset of the fountain head .. But destroying that free will in people is why they don't want you to understand self actualized power that is not beholden to state power.
Just stating the facts.
Read the Biography of her friends and her life.
I do not think it has anything to do with me demonizing her I am writing an opinion.
Does this mean that there should be no book critics etc?
and on social security.
Does that make somone lesser ? On social security..or do you use that to deride So none you dislike? Just a question? To jar a thought
It makes her a hypocrite. does being a hypocrite make someone lesser? it went against her self professed bullshit philosophy. I submit being a hypocrite on this subject made her lesser, correct, because that bullshit philosophy contributed to the damaging the quality of life of people who depend on social security.
So any concept she had about the artists fountenhead concept should be also dismised ?
It's NOT deriding her in fact she set herself up for this by being a hypocrite.
I notice the hate directed at her from all these comments and if I defend her it will be turned onto me...the essence of this entire thread will prove the point of social engineering to make Orwell two minute hate embraced even to good people .. So that where she may have gotten things right can be effectively dismissed and destroyed ..
Its uncanny and ironic how every time I test this it's proven true..
The fact most can't see this psycological prison they are in is fascinating to me. And no wonder.
It would take reams of paragraphs of explainiation of how this all works.. And how deep the onion layers go to get to the core of how deeply embeded social and cultural indoctrination is.
Rands antagonists and protagonists are flipped on their heads because no one seems to understand the real point of it. And it's a lot to help people process why,,, So they attack her politics and appatent Nazi-ish mindset . the systems mind controllers we are under are ten steps ahead at any given time.. And I will have to be made into Orwells Goldberg now for meantioning it.
Proving Catilins point.
She was not a good person. She is being attacked because she was such a hypocrite and so dishonest, and the philosophy she espoused inspired some of her highly influential followers to go out and make society a lot worse.
Going down this horrid rabbit hole does have a point at the end..
Was she actually a hypocrite or is this an opinion you picked up from somone elses opinion used to deride her valid concepts?
Dont get all knee jerky im asking specific questions to lead to an idea.. The very "upset" built into emotional investments in certain images of a person can be falsely manufactured .. And we owe it to ourselves to self exam in where we might also be victims of it.
And so the system admins who created a social order where a person can be demonized as hypocrite (true or false) can than have any valid concept thrown out with the bath water..?
The point being ..rands fountenhead novle made valid points on the protagonist and antagonist in its story but most people have it backwards.. They see the true artist as selfish and the one stealing his works to make it his own as the hero..who becomes succsefull stealing from the "fountenhead"
But will you even read the fountenhead because you have a built in pre bias to her work derived by others opinions..
It is part of Caitlins own post about how consent is manufactured and how propaganda can spread as belife if made opinion and presented as "offical" and "authorative"
It all ties in and I'm not so sure I can make this clear in one paragraph .. She's demonized so any true concept can be effectively dismissed...this is done many ways to other people like Caitlin and all the rest of us alternative thinkers
Caitlins point was how the media can have people beliving lies and demonizing others who might tell truths..
I casually meantion Rand and get hit with a pile of pre biased emotionally derived opinions on her that effectively are then discarding any valid concept she might have had..
I get it The neocon philosophy derives a lot of similar pick yourself up by the boot straps mentality that has them look down on the needy..and thus see them as "bad people" for it..(not untrue) but then people trying to talk about cultivating a strong actualized personality type that can fight for whats right instead of being milqutoasts and subservient to a highearchy .. She made the point about that and this is taken out of context ..this is the perfect example of how people can be demonized to be dismissed. And thus these concepts can never be positive influence either.