IF you are talking of Ayn Rand she was a Libertarian and was totally against any hand outs for poverty stricken people or anyone else for that matter. I understand she was getting Govt. help at the end of her life.
I can't agree with her there..but how much of that is misrepresenting ..
My point I'm attempting to make is demonizing people is exactly how the system destroys the messages even when there are some good ones..and saying she had no good ones because of look over there at this is exactly partly how its done to turn you away from other valid concepts ... Caitlins entire point ..and mine is how demonizing to discredit is a pervasive method of mind control..
Rand was not wrong in the artists mindset of the fountain head .. But destroying that free will in people is why they don't want you to understand self actualized power that is not beholden to state power.
Im pointing out perceptions bias derived by opinion and dismissing a persons entire works based on that alone..this is what the system does to many activists as Caitlins pointed out ...I read her books and i took from them what i found valid and i could go into a lengthy explanation as to why i see some of them valid and all anyone can see through their emotional beer goggles is all her fucked up beliefs and associations.. so any valid concepts they had is out with the bath water ...
This is exactly how the mind control matrix makes people go along with things they would not if they understood the deeper meanings and truths and how some concepts can be valid no matter where they originate.. This is basic phenomenology
Of course not! We have to argue over this stuff.. I mean, you know, pick your favorite writer, artist, politician, social activist–– whatever! It's not perfect! Your (our) views are not perfect
It makes her a hypocrite. does being a hypocrite make someone lesser? it went against her self professed bullshit philosophy. I submit being a hypocrite on this subject made her lesser, correct, because that bullshit philosophy contributed to the damaging the quality of life of people who depend on social security.
I notice the hate directed at her from all these comments and if I defend her it will be turned onto me...the essence of this entire thread will prove the point of social engineering to make Orwell two minute hate embraced even to good people .. So that where she may have gotten things right can be effectively dismissed and destroyed ..
Its uncanny and ironic how every time I test this it's proven true..
The fact most can't see this psycological prison they are in is fascinating to me. And no wonder.
It would take reams of paragraphs of explainiation of how this all works.. And how deep the onion layers go to get to the core of how deeply embeded social and cultural indoctrination is.
Rands antagonists and protagonists are flipped on their heads because no one seems to understand the real point of it. And it's a lot to help people process why,,, So they attack her politics and appatent Nazi-ish mindset . the systems mind controllers we are under are ten steps ahead at any given time.. And I will have to be made into Orwells Goldberg now for meantioning it.
She was not a good person. She is being attacked because she was such a hypocrite and so dishonest, and the philosophy she espoused inspired some of her highly influential followers to go out and make society a lot worse.
Going down this horrid rabbit hole does have a point at the end..
Was she actually a hypocrite or is this an opinion you picked up from somone elses opinion used to deride her valid concepts?
Dont get all knee jerky im asking specific questions to lead to an idea.. The very "upset" built into emotional investments in certain images of a person can be falsely manufactured .. And we owe it to ourselves to self exam in where we might also be victims of it.
she was actually a hypocrite. that's why she kept this little fact hidden from her supporters. i notice you left out the harmful impact her ridiculous ideas caused on society, by some of those supporters, like Alan Greenspan. what valid ideas?
And so the system admins who created a social order where a person can be demonized as hypocrite (true or false) can than have any valid concept thrown out with the bath water..?
it is not demonizing george bush jr to call him a war criminal. that's just a fact, like the fact that Rand was a hypocrite and her ideas were vaporware.
The point being ..rands fountenhead novle made valid points on the protagonist and antagonist in its story but most people have it backwards.. They see the true artist as selfish and the one stealing his works to make it his own as the hero..who becomes succsefull stealing from the "fountenhead"
But will you even read the fountenhead because you have a built in pre bias to her work derived by others opinions..
It is part of Caitlins own post about how consent is manufactured and how propaganda can spread as belife if made opinion and presented as "offical" and "authorative"
It all ties in and I'm not so sure I can make this clear in one paragraph .. She's demonized so any true concept can be effectively dismissed...this is done many ways to other people like Caitlin and all the rest of us alternative thinkers
Caitlins point was how the media can have people beliving lies and demonizing others who might tell truths..
I casually meantion Rand and get hit with a pile of pre biased emotionally derived opinions on her that effectively are then discarding any valid concept she might have had..
I get it The neocon philosophy derives a lot of similar pick yourself up by the boot straps mentality that has them look down on the needy..and thus see them as "bad people" for it..(not untrue) but then people trying to talk about cultivating a strong actualized personality type that can fight for whats right instead of being milqutoasts and subservient to a highearchy .. She made the point about that and this is taken out of context ..this is the perfect example of how people can be demonized to be dismissed. And thus these concepts can never be positive influence either.
Well she died alone and in poverty and had no friends!
Is that how most Palistinians are dying? Just a thought..
Does poverty make people lesser?
IF you are talking of Ayn Rand she was a Libertarian and was totally against any hand outs for poverty stricken people or anyone else for that matter. I understand she was getting Govt. help at the end of her life.
I can't agree with her there..but how much of that is misrepresenting ..
My point I'm attempting to make is demonizing people is exactly how the system destroys the messages even when there are some good ones..and saying she had no good ones because of look over there at this is exactly partly how its done to turn you away from other valid concepts ... Caitlins entire point ..and mine is how demonizing to discredit is a pervasive method of mind control..
Rand was not wrong in the artists mindset of the fountain head .. But destroying that free will in people is why they don't want you to understand self actualized power that is not beholden to state power.
Just stating the facts.
Read the Biography of her friends and her life.
I do not think it has anything to do with me demonizing her I am writing an opinion.
Does this mean that there should be no book critics etc?
Im pointing out perceptions bias derived by opinion and dismissing a persons entire works based on that alone..this is what the system does to many activists as Caitlins pointed out ...I read her books and i took from them what i found valid and i could go into a lengthy explanation as to why i see some of them valid and all anyone can see through their emotional beer goggles is all her fucked up beliefs and associations.. so any valid concepts they had is out with the bath water ...
This is exactly how the mind control matrix makes people go along with things they would not if they understood the deeper meanings and truths and how some concepts can be valid no matter where they originate.. This is basic phenomenology
Of course not! We have to argue over this stuff.. I mean, you know, pick your favorite writer, artist, politician, social activist–– whatever! It's not perfect! Your (our) views are not perfect
and on social security.
Does that make somone lesser ? On social security..or do you use that to deride So none you dislike? Just a question? To jar a thought
It makes her a hypocrite. does being a hypocrite make someone lesser? it went against her self professed bullshit philosophy. I submit being a hypocrite on this subject made her lesser, correct, because that bullshit philosophy contributed to the damaging the quality of life of people who depend on social security.
So any concept she had about the artists fountenhead concept should be also dismised ?
It's NOT deriding her in fact she set herself up for this by being a hypocrite.
I notice the hate directed at her from all these comments and if I defend her it will be turned onto me...the essence of this entire thread will prove the point of social engineering to make Orwell two minute hate embraced even to good people .. So that where she may have gotten things right can be effectively dismissed and destroyed ..
Its uncanny and ironic how every time I test this it's proven true..
The fact most can't see this psycological prison they are in is fascinating to me. And no wonder.
It would take reams of paragraphs of explainiation of how this all works.. And how deep the onion layers go to get to the core of how deeply embeded social and cultural indoctrination is.
Rands antagonists and protagonists are flipped on their heads because no one seems to understand the real point of it. And it's a lot to help people process why,,, So they attack her politics and appatent Nazi-ish mindset . the systems mind controllers we are under are ten steps ahead at any given time.. And I will have to be made into Orwells Goldberg now for meantioning it.
Proving Catilins point.
She was not a good person. She is being attacked because she was such a hypocrite and so dishonest, and the philosophy she espoused inspired some of her highly influential followers to go out and make society a lot worse.
Going down this horrid rabbit hole does have a point at the end..
Was she actually a hypocrite or is this an opinion you picked up from somone elses opinion used to deride her valid concepts?
Dont get all knee jerky im asking specific questions to lead to an idea.. The very "upset" built into emotional investments in certain images of a person can be falsely manufactured .. And we owe it to ourselves to self exam in where we might also be victims of it.
she was actually a hypocrite. that's why she kept this little fact hidden from her supporters. i notice you left out the harmful impact her ridiculous ideas caused on society, by some of those supporters, like Alan Greenspan. what valid ideas?
And so the system admins who created a social order where a person can be demonized as hypocrite (true or false) can than have any valid concept thrown out with the bath water..?
it is not demonizing george bush jr to call him a war criminal. that's just a fact, like the fact that Rand was a hypocrite and her ideas were vaporware.
The point being ..rands fountenhead novle made valid points on the protagonist and antagonist in its story but most people have it backwards.. They see the true artist as selfish and the one stealing his works to make it his own as the hero..who becomes succsefull stealing from the "fountenhead"
But will you even read the fountenhead because you have a built in pre bias to her work derived by others opinions..
It is part of Caitlins own post about how consent is manufactured and how propaganda can spread as belife if made opinion and presented as "offical" and "authorative"
It all ties in and I'm not so sure I can make this clear in one paragraph .. She's demonized so any true concept can be effectively dismissed...this is done many ways to other people like Caitlin and all the rest of us alternative thinkers
Caitlins point was how the media can have people beliving lies and demonizing others who might tell truths..
I casually meantion Rand and get hit with a pile of pre biased emotionally derived opinions on her that effectively are then discarding any valid concept she might have had..
I get it The neocon philosophy derives a lot of similar pick yourself up by the boot straps mentality that has them look down on the needy..and thus see them as "bad people" for it..(not untrue) but then people trying to talk about cultivating a strong actualized personality type that can fight for whats right instead of being milqutoasts and subservient to a highearchy .. She made the point about that and this is taken out of context ..this is the perfect example of how people can be demonized to be dismissed. And thus these concepts can never be positive influence either.