A democracy is mob rule, try and remember that, add corruption to it at every level of administraative government and you have what you have right now. Caitlin, tries to walk a line, but, she sees what's going on, it's just too scary to really contemplate. Those protestors have no rights in Australia, sorry to say.
Time for some of this, now: "We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable, that all men are created equal and independent; that from that equal creation they derive in rights inherent and inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, and liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these ends, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government shall become destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing it's powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes: and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. but when a long train of abuses and usurpations, begun at a distinguished period, and pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to subject them to arbitrary power, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
Too late, Australians gave up their guns. They are now helpless ‘subjects’. Sorry to say, everyone sees it now. Democracy is mob rule. So deserved what’s happening though, enjoy your Social Marxist world government. And this time no one is coming to help. Europe loves Social Marxism, just couldn’t quit it, no matter how it destroys. You should have rose up when you had weapons, now hide in your houses. Appropriate song: Silent Running, The Mechanics.
So what is the forced choice between bodily violation and job loss supposed to be justified by?
All of this reminds me of the "burn her anyway" mentality in Monty Python's Holy Grail.
The justification for overt totalitarianism is simply an unwitting love for totalitarianism that swept in on the coattails of global panic. It's just trying to bust out of the closet and freely flaunt itself, like all the paraded bigotry against dissenters which has brought such joy and fulfilment to most "progressives" over the last twenty months.
This has been highly politicized (intentionally), so there is a tendency there, but there are countless people on both sides (or neither). Most importantly, the fake left-wing political parties have most aggressively embraced restrictions, and the pseudo-left media has edited their work such that it appears to be an exclusively right-wing phenomenon. In fact, racial minorities are some of the least vaccinated groups, and they don't tend to vote right at all.
It is irrelevant, though. This isn't a right/left issue. It's a tyranny/freedom issue. BLM came out against the Vaxx Gestapo in NYC just recently. Naomi Wolf decried everything from the lockdowns to the mandates, saying that the latter produces a "Jim Crow two-tier society" & that the Oregon Health Authority is becoming a "fascist agency." Children's Health Defense, founded by Robert Kennedy Jr. (no right-wing nut himself), called the mandate “an affront to human dignity and personal freedom because it violates our basic right to control our bodies“ in their lawsuit against Rutgers.
There could and should be common cause on this one. This is too fucking important. Don't miss the forest for the trees. This isn't just about the virus or even pharmaceutical profits (they should consider their donations more than repaid) to the government. This is about laying the groundwork before the debt bubble collapses. This is about changing the relationship between Western governments and their citizens, prepping them for being locked in their houses and forced to comply. It's an opportunity to gauge their ability to resist and prepare accordingly for whoever or whatever can be identified. It's a chance to abrogate more rights (forget speech, forget movement/travel, forget privacy, etc.) and institute more draconian norms. We just HAVE to unite regular people on this NOW.
Watch How to Start a Revolution DVD documentary and read From Dictatorship to Democracy the book. And don't listen to badmouthing of Gene Sharp because his ideas, formed for good, have been weaponized by - who else? - the US government.
It's not. That is the MSM narrative. Anyone who uses critical thinking and decides that they don't want to risk the vaccine adverse events to "protect" them (when it doesn't) against a virus that has a 99.5% recovery rate.
For decades the right wing had no problem crapping all over the idea of personal autonomy in the form of anti-abortion legislation; now, suddenly, when they are in the cross hairs, they cast themselves as champions of personal freedom? How cute.
Equally hilarious are their late-to-the-party protestations regarding censorship. They were fine with censorship when it applied to those criticizing Israel's illegal occupation; but now that their Orange Man is the target, they've been forced to reconsider.
That's why as dangerous as the faux-left is now, the right are equally unreliable guardians of our rights. Partisanship is poison. Don't swallow it.
If I were swallowing it, I would have voted for Biden in the last election. I did not. I'm pointing out that the right wing has a lousy track record when it comes to the current debate regarding personal autonomy and censorship, and so any real solution lies outside the right/left divide that dominates so much political discourse.
While I would agree that the right wing have some ideological discrepancies. However, so does the purported left wing, especially considering most are swallowing the MSM narrative regarding Covid and are skewering our civil liberties to do so.
I'm just glad to see the right wing alerted to the tyrannical policies of our government....something that they ridiculed when OWS were out in the streets. Now, they are experiencing what we did.
Sometimes it takes awhile to change your perspective, just glad now both Occupy and the right wing have solidarity.
I align with ideas I find meritorious and care not which wing they supposedly come from. If those on the right are serious about real personal freedom and not simply wallowing in the conditional hypocrisy I outlined above, then I'm delighted. I didn't see it in Trump, and I haven't seen it in congress. The left -- and I hate to even call our liberal political figures that -- are acting like the authoritarian right of two or three decades ago, yelling for censorship and more authoritarian rule. I detest it and will never vote for it. So I find myself outside of both of these simplistically labeled wings.
Instead of wings I feel a more accurate lens is class -- elites vs. the rest of us, which has pretty much been what all the fighting's been about since the first king raised an army to guard the grain.
So, yes, partisanship is poison, and I'm waiting for more people to recognize this fact.
All countries the same, solution= global uprising. World leaders have failed collectively and the very least we are economic slaves. We have the power always..Take a sheep dip and wake up!
I don't know about "all" countries. We seem to be seeing this mainly in "advanced," industrial societies like the Anglosphere and EU. More "primitive" societies like India seem able to handle protests without resorting to such police violence. They also seem to have fewer Covid deaths.
Australia proved their stupidity and gave up their guns. It’s over, guess everyone sees now who has the means. It’s not the them. The Social Marxists in and out of ‘government’ still loving it…so much better! Enjoy!
America is drowning in guns and I'm not seeing any shining examples of much of anything. We are the most placid, cowed, throttled, duped, religious, authoritarian, pro-forma, boot-licking, hive-minded, nationalistic, and violent population on earth. As long as WalMart has an entire row of dog food choices, it's all good.
I'm not anti-gun; I just don't see where gun ownership makes any difference when a population is so easily mired in Bibles, partisan and identity politics, military and police fetish-worship, and insipid speeches about American Exceptionalism.
We aren't drowning in guns, wish we had a lot more at the moment. The mentality you just expressed is typical of the PC culture in America and it's been well-oiled. The government should have all the guns to 'protect' you, just call 911, and all that BS. And you name almost everyone as the Bad People (but you of course, so enlightened), you forgot the Pedophiles though, and Social Marxists, for some reason? And in your haste to denigrate an entire nation, the only nation left that really has a good portion of the people not willing to become Social Marxists and pay that price (again)...amuses me. There are lines that cannot be crossed, words are words, even the Declaration of Independence, was just that, action will have to back up those words eventually. No doubt the Founders were very Bad People too (well-oiled PC narrative), but they knew one thing, defending yourself from bad government was a right, not a privilege. America is obviously yet full of American Exceptionalism, because we will not give up our right to self protection and ability to throw off bad government without a fight, and they know it (as bad a Bad People as we are...#LMAO!).
That you don’t see how guns make a difference? That question? Really? Guns are and were the great equalizer. Gorilla War is how things are fought now, 4th and 5th Gen Warfare tactics. Yes, Riff, guns were a BIG game changer and they still are against enemies foreign and domestic. It’s the difference between being a man or a slave…huge difference.
OK, let me try this one last time. My point, as clearly as I can make it: I fail to see how widespread gun ownership has impeded or effected in any way the ongoing erosion of rights and liberties we've experienced in the United States since the passage of the Patriot Act.
My understanding is that militarisation of police is not a new development in Australia. It's been gradually happening here since 9/11, thanks to the bogus "war on terror".
Here in the US too, Trisha. Here in the US too. President Obama transferred military surplus assets to local police departments, with restrictions that reports indicate were not adhered to, and Trump, in classic republican "law and order" fashion, did away with the restrictions altogether. So the problem, like so many created for us, is bi-partisan and ongoing.
So, they are "bad people" because they don't believe the MSM narrative? And decided for themselves that they don't want to risk the vaccine adverse events when they see the recovery rate is 99.5%? Is our world gone insane?
I am glad that the anti-WallStreetOccupiers are seeing police brutality in full force and now understand what we OWS-ers had to contend with.
Hopefully, the end result is that we as a world demand the de-militarization of our police forces. Where did they get the military equipment overnight? Why are the people on the police force simply saying "I won't shoot my fellow citizen who is peacefully protesting!" ????
The insanity of all of it.
And if the people who have taken the vaccine would quit saying "Get vaxxed to protect us all." The idiocy of that statement. If you are vaxxed, then why should an unvaxxed person pose any threat to you whatsoever? If you believe they are a danger, the only danger would be to themselves. Critical thinking required, apparently.
I'm glad to see you covering the COVID related dystopia, though I wish you wouldn't play into the mainstream narrative:
"But Caitlin!" you may object. "Those people they're firing on are Bad People! They're right-wingers and anti-vaxxers! And they're protesting without permission!"
Both labels are part of the propaganda "right-wingers" and "anti-vaxxers." Many of us are neither. You should know better.
That said, I admire your continued coverage of Julian Assange's persecution, your coverage on wars and empire, and what seems to be your increased interest in the "anti-COVID dystopia"
This exact same WTF moment happened here in the States at the Occupy protests, when Andy Griffith turned into Darth Vader. Cops spraying the faces of peaceful protestors with chemicals. Armored vehicles and other military surplus equipment unleashed against the citizenry. The rogue state of Israel training our police -- and it shows.
The only way out of this mess I can see is a general strike. The only power we have is numbers. No one is going to give us freedom and justice; we need to demand it. That's the only way it's ever happened.
The real power will be in the food/water/fuel. The fly over States will fair much better, and some of the agricultural portions of the Blue States too. The large and sacrosanct Social Marxist blue cities will melt...and all the jargon will be over. Then it will go kinetic 'here in the States'. Only take 3 days. Just Call 911...
It happened here before the Occupy protests, at the turn of the last century when Bush/Cheney were elected and 911 either fell into their laps or was orchestrated. Law enforcement branches, mostly covert, sprang up like mushrooms, spying on a clueless population. Worries prior to "Y2K" of planes and computer systems crashing failed to envision the real way in which the New American Century would take hold and turn the USA into a new dark/sinister empire.
This is true, but happened mostly behind the scenes. My comment was directed to our local police forces, and the Occupy protests were my first introduction to them looking and acting as an occupying army.
Oh yes, America the "dark/sinsiter empire" narrative and it all started with the "New Deal" and the rise of the Administrative State as our unelected rulers. Enjoy!
Separate out the two issues. You can criticise the police response while supporting the Victorian government's health measures. The protesters appeared to have a diversity of views and I am not sure lockdowns and vaccine passports cover all their views. Vaccine passports have not received much attention in Melbourne because we don't have them. There may be more of a discussion about them in coming months. The trigger for the protests seems to be the vaccine mandate for construction workers. The vaccine mandate has already been applied to health workers without causing issues. Reports from here and overseas indicate that health workers welcome the mandating of vaccines as it makes their job easier. Mandatory vaccination of children who use childcare has been in place in Australia for years.
A responsible approach is to criticise inappropriate police conduct without giving oxygen to the views of the protesters. Police violence is not new to Melbourne. The police baton-charged protesters during Bloody Monday" at the Richmond Secondary College in 1994. Police also baton-charged protesters at the APEC Summit meeting of the World Economic Forum, held in Melbourne in September 2000. The Victorian Ombudsman investigated and found that police had used overhead baton blows, kicking and unauthorised holds.
Why is anyone consenting to a vaccine mandate when the vaccine has been proven to not protect the vaxxed from infection? I simply don't get how people have lopped off their critical thinking skills and are 100% listening to the failed MSM narrative. My God.
Hilarious, they have you equivocating over "unauthorized holds" that the Administrative State can think up along with so much more. Main point is that you cannot legislate good behavior and you can't legislate how to deal with bad behavior well either. But, the People are not the Government, and you have to be able to overthrow bad government because it won't go on its own. That's the point they really don't want you to endlessly equivocating over...
I do not agree with the extreme police tactics. And yes they will not be rolled back after the pandemic. I also understand why Victoria is trying to get a hold of covid before it becomes endemic, and the far righters who have hijacked the demonstrations are trying to ensure Covid becomes endemic. These are two separate issues.
Too late, it became endemic last year. "An analysis of more than 50,000 real-life SARS-CoV-2 genomes isolated from patient samples further showed that most of these virus mutations were already circulating, albeit at very low levels in the infected human populations. These results show that SARS-CoV-2 can mutate its spike proteins to evade antibodies, and that these mutations are already present in some virus mutants circulating in the human population." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33112236/ That's 50,000 variants, since October 2020. There are likely to be a lot more by now.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not, if you don't have natural T-cell immunity, you're not going to be immune to new variants. The vaccines all focus on the spike protein, and there are - as of three months ago - over 1400 variants in the US alone which can evade the vaccines. What the vaccines do is filter out the variants for which they're made, so if you get infected with a soup of alpha, wild type, and delta variants as the major components, plus hundreds of other mutations as minor components, the vaccines will filter out the alpha and wild type viruses, and leave the Delta and the rest alone - and *those* will reproduce. The dominant strain will then, by natural selection, be the Delta strain, accompanied by the rest, and those will be spread to others. So let's say we get a Delta booster shot. That filters out the Delta variant, and leaves the rest, including (say) the Lambda variant alone to reproduce, and be spread. So we get a Lambda booster shot, and that takes care of the Lambda, but the Epsilon variant isn't touched, so we need another booster. And this could continue on for 20 years, until the variant names fill the page. On the other hand, natural immunity rules - Emory University School of Medicine: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8253687/
Another thing: betacoronaviruses infect animal reservoirs, where mutation is common. This includes house cats and dogs, as well as other mammalian wildlife. So to get complete control, you'd have to vaccinate every cat that comes into contact with humans, including strays and feral cats. Good luck with that. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-3945_article
The health issue is that Covid results in severe symptoms that will see a number of people hospitalised, in ICU, or dead. Vaccines reduce the likelihood of infection, and if infected, reduce the incidence of severe symptoms. This is the point of vaccines, as well as helping slow the spread of disease. Basic public health measures (masks, distancing, sanitation practices) are likely to be more effective to slow spread, though best is both.
Mutation happens naturally, and the more people with Covid, the more mutation occurs. At the moment, with large populations of unvaccinated, there is likely to be a lot more people in those populations getting Covid, so that will be the source of most mutations. Vaccines do not cause mutation. As you say, there are tens of thousands of mutations. It is what allows people to determine where a virus comes from. Most of the mutations are insignificant. Only a few are "variants of interest" or "variants of concern". That's why we can say a virus is Delta, but with minor variations that say it came from the UK vs the US west coast. The named ones, the "variants of concern" are the ones that may become dominant.
At the moment, contagiousness is the main determinant of viral dominance. That's why Delta is the main viral strain found everywhere. As most of the world develops antibodies (through vaccine or surviving infection), ability to evade immune reaction will become more important in making a strain dominant. This is the case whether the immune response is from vaccine or infection. Exposure to the virus is more likely to create a robust immune response. But vaccinated people will also be exposed, as the virus spreads. This will result in increased immune response.
Ultimately, there will be shifts in our antibodies, as the virus changes. Vaccines will become less effective, and new vaccine variations will be needed, as with flu virus. But the point of vaccines will be to reduce symptoms, as with rotovirus. This will mean hospitals are not overwhelmed, and potentially, that there will be few people (not no people) becoming seriously ill or dying of Covid.
Covid is not endemic in Australia yet, though it may be endemic in NSW and possibly Victoria. Other states have few cases of community transmission, and Tasmania has none. Overall, Australia has not had much Covid until recently, and it's been possible to eliminate incursions before it spread far.
Not a fact. Sorry. Try talking to a few medical professionals. The doctors are being silenced, exactly like the legal profession was while Wall Street grabbed all the homes with fake documents.
But, do continue with listening to what MSM says.
Why are you so worried if you are vaxxed? The people who are NOT worried are the people who have not been vaxxed. Don't you find that interesting?
You ask "Why are you so worried if you're vaxxed"? I'm not. I'm concerned about people who want to get vaxxed, and are unable to, like most people in the Global South. I care about folks who are immunosuppressed including children. Children are winding up in ICU. I care about folks who will get long haul covid if they are lucky, (not dying) and that's no picnic. I guess you don't give a toss about community or facts about vaccinations keeping people out of ICU. You'd rather just throw a tanty about government , even though it's not government that is the issue here. Corrupt governments existed before COVID and they use any disaster to take away rights for the public. That's what they do. Militarised police didn't suddenly come into existence when COVID happened. They have been increasing in Australia since 9/11. Govt and militarised police are a separate issue to the fact that vaccinations keep people out of ICU and will slow down the variant mutations since there will be a smaller and smaller population who will not be contracting it. Yes vaxxed people can carry the virus, that's because we have more mutations. Mutations are naturally occurring in viruses. So while there's huge populations that are unvaxxed, mutations will continue to survive and become more virulent. So one day, you may become a victim of a powerful mutation because your body is not able to deal with it. Remember that next time you go pushing scienceless information.
How awesome that you are connected with all the ICUs across the globe! What a feat!
Do I believe the medical professionals and the doctors being silenced vs the MSM? I believe the medical professionals who tell me the majority of people in hospital with Covid now are vaxxed.
If you wish to believe the lying MSM, go right ahead.
I also note you claim you are the "true left" (in your podcast) but sit here and shame me for my opinions. You are following the totalitarian authoritarian propaganda that the unvaxxed are "uncaring, unloving and generally horrible people." Good on ya.
Unless you think there's a global conspiracy between all the ICUs in the world, then you are simply denying evidence based outcomes in the hospital settings. Okie dokie.
Karen, I think you appear to be very committed to intentionally misunderstanding what I am saying to you ( or you have a comprehension problem) which makes me think your engagement with me is in bad faith, so I'm going to leave it here.
I'm hearing things are getting most volatile in the land down under just literally as I'm typing this presently on this day: September 24, 2021 11:34 am EST us of a.
Amazing article. Keep it up. Our democracy needs Caitlin.
A democracy is mob rule, try and remember that, add corruption to it at every level of administraative government and you have what you have right now. Caitlin, tries to walk a line, but, she sees what's going on, it's just too scary to really contemplate. Those protestors have no rights in Australia, sorry to say.
Time for some of this, now: "We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable, that all men are created equal and independent; that from that equal creation they derive in rights inherent and inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, and liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these ends, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government shall become destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing it's powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes: and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. but when a long train of abuses and usurpations, begun at a distinguished period, and pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to subject them to arbitrary power, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
Too late, Australians gave up their guns. They are now helpless ‘subjects’. Sorry to say, everyone sees it now. Democracy is mob rule. So deserved what’s happening though, enjoy your Social Marxist world government. And this time no one is coming to help. Europe loves Social Marxism, just couldn’t quit it, no matter how it destroys. You should have rose up when you had weapons, now hide in your houses. Appropriate song: Silent Running, The Mechanics.
I prefer Phil Collins's "I Don't Care Anymore."
That's the spirit!
All for injections now described by orthodox media as having no actual effect on viral transmission. https://twitter.com/Elanders_Voice/status/1441023073562644481
So what is the forced choice between bodily violation and job loss supposed to be justified by?
All of this reminds me of the "burn her anyway" mentality in Monty Python's Holy Grail.
The justification for overt totalitarianism is simply an unwitting love for totalitarianism that swept in on the coattails of global panic. It's just trying to bust out of the closet and freely flaunt itself, like all the paraded bigotry against dissenters which has brought such joy and fulfilment to most "progressives" over the last twenty months.
Why is it right wing to oppose mandates? I don't get it.
This has been highly politicized (intentionally), so there is a tendency there, but there are countless people on both sides (or neither). Most importantly, the fake left-wing political parties have most aggressively embraced restrictions, and the pseudo-left media has edited their work such that it appears to be an exclusively right-wing phenomenon. In fact, racial minorities are some of the least vaccinated groups, and they don't tend to vote right at all.
It is irrelevant, though. This isn't a right/left issue. It's a tyranny/freedom issue. BLM came out against the Vaxx Gestapo in NYC just recently. Naomi Wolf decried everything from the lockdowns to the mandates, saying that the latter produces a "Jim Crow two-tier society" & that the Oregon Health Authority is becoming a "fascist agency." Children's Health Defense, founded by Robert Kennedy Jr. (no right-wing nut himself), called the mandate “an affront to human dignity and personal freedom because it violates our basic right to control our bodies“ in their lawsuit against Rutgers.
There could and should be common cause on this one. This is too fucking important. Don't miss the forest for the trees. This isn't just about the virus or even pharmaceutical profits (they should consider their donations more than repaid) to the government. This is about laying the groundwork before the debt bubble collapses. This is about changing the relationship between Western governments and their citizens, prepping them for being locked in their houses and forced to comply. It's an opportunity to gauge their ability to resist and prepare accordingly for whoever or whatever can be identified. It's a chance to abrogate more rights (forget speech, forget movement/travel, forget privacy, etc.) and institute more draconian norms. We just HAVE to unite regular people on this NOW.
Watch How to Start a Revolution DVD documentary and read From Dictatorship to Democracy the book. And don't listen to badmouthing of Gene Sharp because his ideas, formed for good, have been weaponized by - who else? - the US government.
100% agreed about the debt bubble.
It's not. That is the MSM narrative. Anyone who uses critical thinking and decides that they don't want to risk the vaccine adverse events to "protect" them (when it doesn't) against a virus that has a 99.5% recovery rate.
For decades the right wing had no problem crapping all over the idea of personal autonomy in the form of anti-abortion legislation; now, suddenly, when they are in the cross hairs, they cast themselves as champions of personal freedom? How cute.
Equally hilarious are their late-to-the-party protestations regarding censorship. They were fine with censorship when it applied to those criticizing Israel's illegal occupation; but now that their Orange Man is the target, they've been forced to reconsider.
That's why as dangerous as the faux-left is now, the right are equally unreliable guardians of our rights. Partisanship is poison. Don't swallow it.
On one hand you bash the right wing......and then on the other hand you claim "partisanship is poison." You are swallowing it, my dear.
If I were swallowing it, I would have voted for Biden in the last election. I did not. I'm pointing out that the right wing has a lousy track record when it comes to the current debate regarding personal autonomy and censorship, and so any real solution lies outside the right/left divide that dominates so much political discourse.
While I would agree that the right wing have some ideological discrepancies. However, so does the purported left wing, especially considering most are swallowing the MSM narrative regarding Covid and are skewering our civil liberties to do so.
I'm just glad to see the right wing alerted to the tyrannical policies of our government....something that they ridiculed when OWS were out in the streets. Now, they are experiencing what we did.
Sometimes it takes awhile to change your perspective, just glad now both Occupy and the right wing have solidarity.
I align with ideas I find meritorious and care not which wing they supposedly come from. If those on the right are serious about real personal freedom and not simply wallowing in the conditional hypocrisy I outlined above, then I'm delighted. I didn't see it in Trump, and I haven't seen it in congress. The left -- and I hate to even call our liberal political figures that -- are acting like the authoritarian right of two or three decades ago, yelling for censorship and more authoritarian rule. I detest it and will never vote for it. So I find myself outside of both of these simplistically labeled wings.
Instead of wings I feel a more accurate lens is class -- elites vs. the rest of us, which has pretty much been what all the fighting's been about since the first king raised an army to guard the grain.
So, yes, partisanship is poison, and I'm waiting for more people to recognize this fact.
That’s the narrative and it has worked wonderfully for the social Marxists.
All countries the same, solution= global uprising. World leaders have failed collectively and the very least we are economic slaves. We have the power always..Take a sheep dip and wake up!
I don't know about "all" countries. We seem to be seeing this mainly in "advanced," industrial societies like the Anglosphere and EU. More "primitive" societies like India seem able to handle protests without resorting to such police violence. They also seem to have fewer Covid deaths.
Australia proved their stupidity and gave up their guns. It’s over, guess everyone sees now who has the means. It’s not the them. The Social Marxists in and out of ‘government’ still loving it…so much better! Enjoy!
America is drowning in guns and I'm not seeing any shining examples of much of anything. We are the most placid, cowed, throttled, duped, religious, authoritarian, pro-forma, boot-licking, hive-minded, nationalistic, and violent population on earth. As long as WalMart has an entire row of dog food choices, it's all good.
I'm not anti-gun; I just don't see where gun ownership makes any difference when a population is so easily mired in Bibles, partisan and identity politics, military and police fetish-worship, and insipid speeches about American Exceptionalism.
We aren't drowning in guns, wish we had a lot more at the moment. The mentality you just expressed is typical of the PC culture in America and it's been well-oiled. The government should have all the guns to 'protect' you, just call 911, and all that BS. And you name almost everyone as the Bad People (but you of course, so enlightened), you forgot the Pedophiles though, and Social Marxists, for some reason? And in your haste to denigrate an entire nation, the only nation left that really has a good portion of the people not willing to become Social Marxists and pay that price (again)...amuses me. There are lines that cannot be crossed, words are words, even the Declaration of Independence, was just that, action will have to back up those words eventually. No doubt the Founders were very Bad People too (well-oiled PC narrative), but they knew one thing, defending yourself from bad government was a right, not a privilege. America is obviously yet full of American Exceptionalism, because we will not give up our right to self protection and ability to throw off bad government without a fight, and they know it (as bad a Bad People as we are...#LMAO!).
Thanks for the lecture. Now could you address my point?
That you don’t see how guns make a difference? That question? Really? Guns are and were the great equalizer. Gorilla War is how things are fought now, 4th and 5th Gen Warfare tactics. Yes, Riff, guns were a BIG game changer and they still are against enemies foreign and domestic. It’s the difference between being a man or a slave…huge difference.
OK, let me try this one last time. My point, as clearly as I can make it: I fail to see how widespread gun ownership has impeded or effected in any way the ongoing erosion of rights and liberties we've experienced in the United States since the passage of the Patriot Act.
My understanding is that militarisation of police is not a new development in Australia. It's been gradually happening here since 9/11, thanks to the bogus "war on terror".
Here in the US too, Trisha. Here in the US too. President Obama transferred military surplus assets to local police departments, with restrictions that reports indicate were not adhered to, and Trump, in classic republican "law and order" fashion, did away with the restrictions altogether. So the problem, like so many created for us, is bi-partisan and ongoing.
So, they are "bad people" because they don't believe the MSM narrative? And decided for themselves that they don't want to risk the vaccine adverse events when they see the recovery rate is 99.5%? Is our world gone insane?
I am glad that the anti-WallStreetOccupiers are seeing police brutality in full force and now understand what we OWS-ers had to contend with.
Hopefully, the end result is that we as a world demand the de-militarization of our police forces. Where did they get the military equipment overnight? Why are the people on the police force simply saying "I won't shoot my fellow citizen who is peacefully protesting!" ????
The insanity of all of it.
And if the people who have taken the vaccine would quit saying "Get vaxxed to protect us all." The idiocy of that statement. If you are vaxxed, then why should an unvaxxed person pose any threat to you whatsoever? If you believe they are a danger, the only danger would be to themselves. Critical thinking required, apparently.
I'm glad to see you covering the COVID related dystopia, though I wish you wouldn't play into the mainstream narrative:
"But Caitlin!" you may object. "Those people they're firing on are Bad People! They're right-wingers and anti-vaxxers! And they're protesting without permission!"
Both labels are part of the propaganda "right-wingers" and "anti-vaxxers." Many of us are neither. You should know better.
That said, I admire your continued coverage of Julian Assange's persecution, your coverage on wars and empire, and what seems to be your increased interest in the "anti-COVID dystopia"
This exact same WTF moment happened here in the States at the Occupy protests, when Andy Griffith turned into Darth Vader. Cops spraying the faces of peaceful protestors with chemicals. Armored vehicles and other military surplus equipment unleashed against the citizenry. The rogue state of Israel training our police -- and it shows.
The only way out of this mess I can see is a general strike. The only power we have is numbers. No one is going to give us freedom and justice; we need to demand it. That's the only way it's ever happened.
The real power will be in the food/water/fuel. The fly over States will fair much better, and some of the agricultural portions of the Blue States too. The large and sacrosanct Social Marxist blue cities will melt...and all the jargon will be over. Then it will go kinetic 'here in the States'. Only take 3 days. Just Call 911...
It happened here before the Occupy protests, at the turn of the last century when Bush/Cheney were elected and 911 either fell into their laps or was orchestrated. Law enforcement branches, mostly covert, sprang up like mushrooms, spying on a clueless population. Worries prior to "Y2K" of planes and computer systems crashing failed to envision the real way in which the New American Century would take hold and turn the USA into a new dark/sinister empire.
This is true, but happened mostly behind the scenes. My comment was directed to our local police forces, and the Occupy protests were my first introduction to them looking and acting as an occupying army.
Oh yes, America the "dark/sinsiter empire" narrative and it all started with the "New Deal" and the rise of the Administrative State as our unelected rulers. Enjoy!
Separate out the two issues. You can criticise the police response while supporting the Victorian government's health measures. The protesters appeared to have a diversity of views and I am not sure lockdowns and vaccine passports cover all their views. Vaccine passports have not received much attention in Melbourne because we don't have them. There may be more of a discussion about them in coming months. The trigger for the protests seems to be the vaccine mandate for construction workers. The vaccine mandate has already been applied to health workers without causing issues. Reports from here and overseas indicate that health workers welcome the mandating of vaccines as it makes their job easier. Mandatory vaccination of children who use childcare has been in place in Australia for years.
A responsible approach is to criticise inappropriate police conduct without giving oxygen to the views of the protesters. Police violence is not new to Melbourne. The police baton-charged protesters during Bloody Monday" at the Richmond Secondary College in 1994. Police also baton-charged protesters at the APEC Summit meeting of the World Economic Forum, held in Melbourne in September 2000. The Victorian Ombudsman investigated and found that police had used overhead baton blows, kicking and unauthorised holds.
Why is anyone consenting to a vaccine mandate when the vaccine has been proven to not protect the vaxxed from infection? I simply don't get how people have lopped off their critical thinking skills and are 100% listening to the failed MSM narrative. My God.
Hilarious, they have you equivocating over "unauthorized holds" that the Administrative State can think up along with so much more. Main point is that you cannot legislate good behavior and you can't legislate how to deal with bad behavior well either. But, the People are not the Government, and you have to be able to overthrow bad government because it won't go on its own. That's the point they really don't want you to endlessly equivocating over...
I do not agree with the extreme police tactics. And yes they will not be rolled back after the pandemic. I also understand why Victoria is trying to get a hold of covid before it becomes endemic, and the far righters who have hijacked the demonstrations are trying to ensure Covid becomes endemic. These are two separate issues.
Too late, it became endemic last year. "An analysis of more than 50,000 real-life SARS-CoV-2 genomes isolated from patient samples further showed that most of these virus mutations were already circulating, albeit at very low levels in the infected human populations. These results show that SARS-CoV-2 can mutate its spike proteins to evade antibodies, and that these mutations are already present in some virus mutants circulating in the human population." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33112236/ That's 50,000 variants, since October 2020. There are likely to be a lot more by now.
It doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not, if you don't have natural T-cell immunity, you're not going to be immune to new variants. The vaccines all focus on the spike protein, and there are - as of three months ago - over 1400 variants in the US alone which can evade the vaccines. What the vaccines do is filter out the variants for which they're made, so if you get infected with a soup of alpha, wild type, and delta variants as the major components, plus hundreds of other mutations as minor components, the vaccines will filter out the alpha and wild type viruses, and leave the Delta and the rest alone - and *those* will reproduce. The dominant strain will then, by natural selection, be the Delta strain, accompanied by the rest, and those will be spread to others. So let's say we get a Delta booster shot. That filters out the Delta variant, and leaves the rest, including (say) the Lambda variant alone to reproduce, and be spread. So we get a Lambda booster shot, and that takes care of the Lambda, but the Epsilon variant isn't touched, so we need another booster. And this could continue on for 20 years, until the variant names fill the page. On the other hand, natural immunity rules - Emory University School of Medicine: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8253687/
Another thing: betacoronaviruses infect animal reservoirs, where mutation is common. This includes house cats and dogs, as well as other mammalian wildlife. So to get complete control, you'd have to vaccinate every cat that comes into contact with humans, including strays and feral cats. Good luck with that. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-3945_article
You probably know this, so this is for others.
The health issue is that Covid results in severe symptoms that will see a number of people hospitalised, in ICU, or dead. Vaccines reduce the likelihood of infection, and if infected, reduce the incidence of severe symptoms. This is the point of vaccines, as well as helping slow the spread of disease. Basic public health measures (masks, distancing, sanitation practices) are likely to be more effective to slow spread, though best is both.
Mutation happens naturally, and the more people with Covid, the more mutation occurs. At the moment, with large populations of unvaccinated, there is likely to be a lot more people in those populations getting Covid, so that will be the source of most mutations. Vaccines do not cause mutation. As you say, there are tens of thousands of mutations. It is what allows people to determine where a virus comes from. Most of the mutations are insignificant. Only a few are "variants of interest" or "variants of concern". That's why we can say a virus is Delta, but with minor variations that say it came from the UK vs the US west coast. The named ones, the "variants of concern" are the ones that may become dominant.
At the moment, contagiousness is the main determinant of viral dominance. That's why Delta is the main viral strain found everywhere. As most of the world develops antibodies (through vaccine or surviving infection), ability to evade immune reaction will become more important in making a strain dominant. This is the case whether the immune response is from vaccine or infection. Exposure to the virus is more likely to create a robust immune response. But vaccinated people will also be exposed, as the virus spreads. This will result in increased immune response.
Ultimately, there will be shifts in our antibodies, as the virus changes. Vaccines will become less effective, and new vaccine variations will be needed, as with flu virus. But the point of vaccines will be to reduce symptoms, as with rotovirus. This will mean hospitals are not overwhelmed, and potentially, that there will be few people (not no people) becoming seriously ill or dying of Covid.
You spew a lot of what the MSM is dishing out. You must not have talked to any medical professionals who have been silenced. You might try doing so.
It’s not a vaccine, better make that clear first and foremost. It’s gene therapy gone wrong but doing everything ‘they’ could ask for…
Covid is not endemic in Australia yet, though it may be endemic in NSW and possibly Victoria. Other states have few cases of community transmission, and Tasmania has none. Overall, Australia has not had much Covid until recently, and it's been possible to eliminate incursions before it spread far.
#LMAO! You don’t want to be far-right for sure, line up and get the jab! Genius.
FACT: The vaccine keeps people out of ICU. A fact that anti-vaxxers don't like to acknowledge.
Not a fact. Sorry. Try talking to a few medical professionals. The doctors are being silenced, exactly like the legal profession was while Wall Street grabbed all the homes with fake documents.
But, do continue with listening to what MSM says.
Why are you so worried if you are vaxxed? The people who are NOT worried are the people who have not been vaxxed. Don't you find that interesting?
You ask "Why are you so worried if you're vaxxed"? I'm not. I'm concerned about people who want to get vaxxed, and are unable to, like most people in the Global South. I care about folks who are immunosuppressed including children. Children are winding up in ICU. I care about folks who will get long haul covid if they are lucky, (not dying) and that's no picnic. I guess you don't give a toss about community or facts about vaccinations keeping people out of ICU. You'd rather just throw a tanty about government , even though it's not government that is the issue here. Corrupt governments existed before COVID and they use any disaster to take away rights for the public. That's what they do. Militarised police didn't suddenly come into existence when COVID happened. They have been increasing in Australia since 9/11. Govt and militarised police are a separate issue to the fact that vaccinations keep people out of ICU and will slow down the variant mutations since there will be a smaller and smaller population who will not be contracting it. Yes vaxxed people can carry the virus, that's because we have more mutations. Mutations are naturally occurring in viruses. So while there's huge populations that are unvaxxed, mutations will continue to survive and become more virulent. So one day, you may become a victim of a powerful mutation because your body is not able to deal with it. Remember that next time you go pushing scienceless information.
How awesome that you are connected with all the ICUs across the globe! What a feat!
Do I believe the medical professionals and the doctors being silenced vs the MSM? I believe the medical professionals who tell me the majority of people in hospital with Covid now are vaxxed.
If you wish to believe the lying MSM, go right ahead.
I also note you claim you are the "true left" (in your podcast) but sit here and shame me for my opinions. You are following the totalitarian authoritarian propaganda that the unvaxxed are "uncaring, unloving and generally horrible people." Good on ya.
Unless you think there's a global conspiracy between all the ICUs in the world, then you are simply denying evidence based outcomes in the hospital settings. Okie dokie.
I think there is global propaganda making people, like you, fearful enough that they allow sh*t like what's on these videos to continue.
The recovery rate from the virus is 99.5%. So please continue to be fearful.
Karen, I think you appear to be very committed to intentionally misunderstanding what I am saying to you ( or you have a comprehension problem) which makes me think your engagement with me is in bad faith, so I'm going to leave it here.
they want this for us in the states too...it won't be long.
No, we have our weapons and will keep them. The only reason they yet fear US. Europe and Australia are lost.
don't think they won't try!
You're a bad person.
So ... me getting the sense that you think the lockdowns and the vaccinations are good, and just the mean policing is bad -
Staggering how fast Sophisticated Western females gave up their reproductive rights. My body, my choice is a distant memory.
I'm hearing things are getting most volatile in the land down under just literally as I'm typing this presently on this day: September 24, 2021 11:34 am EST us of a.
Apparently internet outages are being mandated.
Here is a link: https://www.sott.net/article/458550-Objective-Health-Australian-Medical-Fascism-Coming-Soon-to-Your-Country