The fading old empire, desperate to regain its glory days of worldwide invasion and pillage; the expanding triumphant new empire, eager to take on that mantle - neither of them really thought Israel through strategically.
You said it - the Empire conveniently defined indigenous peoples as local wildlife. In Australia they even gave it a legal term - "terra nullius". As in, "People? What people? We don't see no humans here."
I remember in school, when they'd teach us about "explorers" "discovering" parts of Australia, I'd ask them, "But weren't there already people living there? Why didn't they just ask them?" The teacher would give me the strangest look.
No, look at your history. There were Arabs and Jews. Arab leaders met with Hitler long before the State of Israel. The reason? To get rid of Jews. No doubt this is why a two state solution was turned down by the Arabs.
"a two state solution was turned down by the Arabs."...??? There was, after Israel kicked, burned, murdered Palestinians out of their villages and cities, a 2 state solution. The West Bank and Gaza. It didn't work out too well, did it? Not because of the Palestinians, either.
Beyond my current education........I did hear a lovely old Jew whose family had lived peacefully along side Muslims in Iraq and had to leave after Israelis made trouble there to force jews to Israel. It was not a good move. In Israel he had to learn rid himself of his Arabic culture. His background was looked down upon....the European jews were the "superior germanic" Jews. He's on Youtube.
Avi Schlaim per chance? I love him - his quiet, calm voice, his intelligence, his FACTS, and, of course, his wild curly hair that reminds me of a child’s stuffed lamb. He is a wonderful man, greatest respect.
Hmm, in my reading of history there were Jews living in Palestine who were also Arabs at the same time. Then a bunch of other Jews of a variety of other ethnicities were herded into Palestine under duress.
Were these newcomers allowed to speak the languages they had spoken since birth, or publish books and newspapers in those languages? No, they had to speak Hebrew!
No strategy? The British navy had just switched from coal to oil. Before WW1, Germany was weeks away from finishing the Berlin to Baghdad Railway where the Germans would provide engineering to develop the oil fields and split the profits with the owners of the land.
This is all true - the first place British troops landed on foreign soil at the onset of WW1 was Basra.
After the war, though, there were elements within the Anglo-American power structure that felt Zionism was too heavy-handed and anachronistic. They advocated for simply fostering a comprador elite, as was being done in the other newly created Arab states. The pro-Zionists, however, claimed that these other states would need a constant threat of direct violence hanging over their heads to keep them in line.
I don't think they were correct. Israel has been too disruptive, too costly, hampering the Empire's stable control of oil extraction. That's why I opined that the decision to go with Zionism was made for emotional reasons rather than pragmatic long-term strategic ones.
Don’t forget that many of the borders of Arabic lands were rewritten by the British Empire and their French allies after WW1 when the black stuff that fuelled the new motor car was discovered in Arabia. The Saud family were the hardest gangsters in the land so naturally the Uk made them monarchs.
True. The Sykes Picot Agreement. As I relearn history I find secret agreements written up, before the first shot is fired, on how it will be divided later. France, Britain, etc all get their pieces so they don't lose time in-fighting. They could not allow Germany to benefit from this, and especially not the Arabs. The post Ukraine and Gaza/Palestine agreements are interesting too. See Lawrence of Arabia's biography detailing the fact he knew they intended to do this all along.
Too bad learning from history has not been invented yet.
Well if you were a powerful zionist in the late 19th Century plotting on getting Zionist Baron Rothschild to persuade Jewish UK Foreign Secretary (ie minister) to declare Palestine to be the home of the Jews you would be saying it was a mistake that it took so long to gift the Chosen People of God sovereignty over a swath of land that some of them once lived on. thousands of year before And if questioned would have declared that god moves in mysterious ways but is always making the right decision for His chosen people
"God" has moved on after seeing what the highest evolution of animal is doing to this rich planet. Big mistake: it should have stopped with the monkeys.
I see you have managed to include quite a few antisemitic tropes (slow hand clap..) Israel exists because of views like yours. Antisemitism has always existed. It didn't start with Israel.
Well, obviously you could say the same thing about the entire species; how many other animals act like that? Even rat pack are kinder gentler garbage eaters
One thing that faux-left liberals and faux-right conservatives can agree on: it's perfectly acceptable to disregard someone who utters a keyword you don't like. The libs call it being intolerant, the cons call it being triggered, neither constitutes a rational argument.
No other country in the world would be told it is a 'mistake'. It is views such as yours, and others expressed in these comments, that tell me why Israel does exist and needs to exist. Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists. If they cared about their own people, why would they deliberately use them as human shields? Nobody wants war, but as long as there are groups whose self professed aim is to eliminate all Jews, it will continue.
My country? You have made an assumption. My country is the UK. I was born in London and have lived here all my life. My Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, has called for a ceasefire. The difference between you and I is that I can support a ceasefire but still condemn Hamas, but your compassion does not extend to the Israelis murdered, or to the hostages and their families.
Hamas has done nothing wrong. How the fuck can you be alive and have no idea WTF is really going on. Everyone at this point should know that Israel killed its own citizens on Oct 7th, there wasn’t one rape, no beheaded babies, just IDF tanks and helicopters opening fire on Israeli civilians. Do you not know this? I would guess you do and you’re just another POS liar.
That’s erroneous beyond the average. Try East Timor, Northern Ireland, the former Yugoslavian parts, etc.
Besides, the people of Israel have been unable to establish self-governance for 2000 years and they still haven’t now. I say that because their existence entirely depends on a brutal schoolyard bullying hegemon to avoid being massacred by their neighbours.
Umm. I must have imagined the the video that Hezbollah posted, showing its impressive tunnels and weapons funded by Iran. This was on the ITV news a short time ago. Show me the evidence of you're going to accuse me of being a liar.
You’re a brainwashed moron or a willing liar. You should look at yourself and realize you don’t have a shred of humanity in you. You’re a psychopath and an immoral POS.
You do know the only genocidal group are on your team. They have never said that they want to eliminate all Jews, just the occupying Zionist entity that’s Israel. Anyone in their shoes would say the same thing. They do not use their own as human shields. That’s a lie and a proven one, which makes you a liar, on top of being a genocidal POS!!
So right to and hom with the pathetic laughable claims of Jew hate. Is that what you want? We’re talking about Israel here and you’re flying in the face of many posters who rightly insist on the distinction between Jews and Israel and Israel and Zionists.
Fwiw I supported Israel from the beginning until they exposed their barbaric core.
Ad hom is in common usage. I’m guessing English may not be your native language because otherwise you’d know that fact and interpretation are anything but synonymous.
All Zionist arguments boil down to "might is right!" except when Jews are the victims, such as the Holocaust. Then, might is no longer right and Victim Status Means Everything Is Allowed.
You clearly don't understand what Zionism is. Please go away and educate yourself. The hatred for Israel is precisely because it is the only Jewish state and Jews will not be victims. They are fighting back. No one likes a Jew who doesn't know their place. If you really cared about human rights, you would condemn Hamas and Hezbollah rather than focusing on Israel.
I beg to differ. If you’ve researched the origins of Zionism and its tenets you’ll know that from its inception Zionism was a colonial settler movement, with full intent to remove, BY ANY MEANS (my emphasis added) the current population of Palestine and make a homeland for the Jews which would have a Jewish majority. Documents from Israel’s own archives prove the planning, the terrorist attacks against the British to drive them out as well as robbing trains and other locations for money and weapons. They bombed the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, British Mandate HQ, killing Brits, Palestinians, and Jewish people. Using terrorism to achieve the political goal of controlling the Mandate. From 1947 onwards there were mass killings, sometimes just the males, sometimes entire villages were massacred. Ben Gurion didn’t try to hide these atrocities, he wanted the Palestinians to know what was being done in order to make their removal easier. In the end between 700,000 and 750,000 Palestinians were murdered or ethnically cleansed in order to create a country which preferences some of its citizens over others. Their basic laws state Israel is a Jewish state for the Jewish people, in spite of 20% of its citizens not being Jewish.
Most who oppose Zionism and the Israeli state have no antipathy towards Jewish people, many are Jewish, they have a strong aversion to injustice in the form of a brutal occupation, the theft of property and the death and displacement of people from their homes, the ongoing apartheid in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and the ongoing genocide in Gaza.
Genocide is the highest crime with no justification under law. It doesn’t matter what religion the perpetrators are, it’s a crime, the highest crime. Wanting your own state, only for ppl of your religion, doesn’t give license to violate the Geneva Conventions, all international law, and basic human rights. That’s why ppl are opposed to Israel. If Jewish ppl wanted to live in Palestine, in peace with their neighbors they could and did (late 1800’s-1930’s). It was only when the Zionist agenda became known, that these emigres didn’t simply want to live in Palestine, they wanted absolute control of Palestine, and they wanted the Palestinians removed from their homes, villages, never to be allowed to return.
There are many good sources on Zionism. I’d suggest you start with the “new” Israeli historians. I think you’ll find that Zionism isn’t an innocent desire for peace.
I beg to differ. If you’ve researched the origins of Zionism and its tenets you’ll know that from its inception Zionism was a colonial settler movement, with full intent to remove, BY ANY MEANS (my emphasis added) the current population of Palestine and make a homeland for the Jews which would have a Jewish majority. Documents from Israel’s own archives prove the planning, the terrorist attacks against the British to drive them out as well as robbing trains and other locations for money and weapons. They bombed the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, British Mandate HQ, killing Brits, Palestinians, and Jewish people. Using terrorism to achieve the political goal of controlling the Mandate. From 1947 onwards there were mass killings
Jenny, I find it interesting that you assume I am Israeli, and hold me personally responsible for the actions of the Israeli government. You will see in my previous reply that I am British, born in London. I have lived here all my life.
Who counts as a 'good Jewish person?
Jews feel unsafe in many countries as the moment because of the rise in antisemitic attacks. All Jews are being held responsible for the actions of the Israeli government, whatever their views. That in itself is antisemitism. You choosing to personally attack me, holding me responsible, is antisemitic.
So if the Empire had sent Catholics, say, to invade the Middle East instead, they would have been well-loved by the local inhabitants? Is that what you're suggesting?
I actually believe that the greatest reason for antisemitic feelings is the actions of right wing Israeli politicians. And it doesn't appear that anyone thinks the Israeli actions in Gaza has anything to do with the massive oil and gas reserves off of the Gaza coast. Or the possibility that Israel wants to build a new canal that would enter the Mediterranean at Gaza. Then there's also the matter of large purchases of Israeli defense stocks were purchased just prior to the October 7th attack. And please don't mention that there was Israeli financial support given to Hamas and Israeli troops were ordered away from Gaza just prior to October 7th. And please don't mention that most Israeli citizens are required to do two years in the IDF, which essentially makes most Israeli citizens actual soldiers.
And please, please do not forget Israel's full support of Ukraine and vice versa, and Ukraine's proclaiming to want to be a new Israel. With the same objectives as the old one. Chew on this jimmy.
I don’t have the link at hand but Richard Medhurst put out a 2 part video on Israel’s plans for Gaza including the gas deposits and the canal. Also see Gaza 2035, a plan put out by BiBi shortly before 10/7.
I’ll try to find the article that I read. Later I found reference to a plan of BiBi’s that he supposedly denied initially and then presented only to his inner circle within a month of 10/7. That plan seemed to be in line with Gaza 2035. I’ll try to find the articles. I read too much! Finding something I read months ago is challenging. I’d like to reread them myself.
I’ve also seen the claims that Israel intends to make a portion of Ukraine the “new Israel”. It would be approximately where the Khazar (sp) kingdom had been. The Ashkenazi Jews who established Israel are believed to be the descendants of this kingdom where the queen decided that all of her subjects would convert to Judaism. This belies the claim that Israel’s founders have an unbroken link to Palestine. A recent study by John’s Hopkins found no genetic link between the ashkenazi Jews and the people of the area of Palestine. The study wasn’t done for purposes of establishing or negating a link between Eastern European Jews and Palestine. It was a highly refined DNA study conducted to better define genetic links to certain diseases and then better treatments.
I agree that Israel East seems far fetched. I’ve seen several videos that claim to be genuine, speakers extolling the additional defense possibilities as well as providing room for expansion which is limited in Israel. I don’t know what to think. On the one hand it seems crazy but, then again, I wouldn’t put anything past Israel’s mad lust for land and control. And I wouldn’t put anything past the US’s equally mad list for hegemony. We live in a truly crazy world with all of the evil exposed.
Oh, I know about the gas (and oil) plans, and of the canal, but it was the claim by Russian Bot that Ukraine wanted to be a new Israel. Seemed like late night, loose tongued verbiage.
I hadn't read Gaza 2035 though; thanks, I will look it up.
The world is one big residential school and Israel is in charge. They can break fingers, starve people, refuse them medical care, disallow any language that they don't understand.
Israel is probably the world leader in perversions and I'm puzzled why shitlibs of the forum would not support it instead of Palestinians who are very conservative and - shock! - against abortions!
To add on to it. If you are born and end up being part of the LGBTQ community, then they will help you die. You don’t have much value if you’re not white and straight.
"“shitlibs” consider a human to be a life once it’s born" - I don't question shitlibs consider that to be the case. That's one of the reasons they're shitlibs.
Re-read my original comment once again and try to put that sacred cow of yours - abortion - to the sidelines just for that one time to really understand what I'm saying.
By the way, I'm amazed at your uniqueness having skipped all the "not life" stages. Somehow you spared some woman what shitlibs consider cancer inside.
Oh, every now and then it's kinda' fun to play the trolls, get 'em stirred up, blathering and expose themselves for who -- and what -- they are. I try not to do it too often, but every now and then it provides some dark entertainment.
Btw, most shitlibs here appear to be siding with Russia against Ukraine. That's hypocritical once more. Ukraine is mini-Israel and as is usual in such cases tries hard to outdo its inspiration and a guide - Israel - re perversions of all kinds. Russia on the other hand is rather conservative, homo propaganda is forbidden etc etc.
So shitlibs should support both Ukraine and Israel. But they are shitlibs, hence hypocrisy is their middle name. Check that - their first and last name too.
Not everyone is limited/contrained by hazy definitions of "liberalism" and "conservatism" like you are.
Get over your limited/dogmatic thinking (I know you can't - it's not in your character).
Trying to place people into neat "black-boxes" and pigeon-holes of "isms" doesn't work - humans and humanity are too complex for such simplistic thinking.
Humans first (regardless of ideology). Live and let live (instead of trying to control everyone's actions and freedoms - even when they have no impact on you).
That is the problem with people like you - you want to make the world in YOUR IMAGE and follow your dictates/dictum (this would make the world even more fucked-up than it already is).
Thank God sociopathic and fascistic people like you are a minority in this world!
I think you misunderstand that part of my comment. By Humans first - it means humanity. i.e. think of humans as humans (without ideologies superimposed on them). Another way of phrasing it is "think of the humans as humans first and foremost". (The statement is not a comparison of humans with any other species in any context).
Fair enough, though it seems to be poorly used language, as 'Aryans first' or 'America first' as comparisons give an idea of how that type of phrasing comes across.
No-one is in charge. We're all on a runaway train without a driver or even any brakes. Those who claim to be in charge are only in charge of extracting wealth from the rest of us, concentrating power for the sake of their own selfish interests. They're an emergent phenomenon, a symptom of disease. Them is Us.
The people who own the stocks and shares in weapons companies, fossil fuel companies and tech companies are in charge. Eisenhower was absolutely prescient and it has indeed come to pass. Profit is the driver for all, human rights be damned.
I suppose it depends on what you mean by "in charge". They have power, certainly, but the power to do what, exactly?
They have the power to fuck us over: to extract the wealth from our labour, concentrate it and waste it on mad schemes to acquire more power, eventually running our society into the ground. But do they have the power to fix this mess? I don't think so.
In the unlikely event that any of the sociopaths at the top of the hierarchy ever developed a conscience, the others would quickly turn on them and divest them of their power.
To say the oligarchs are in charge is like saying a cancerous tumour is in charge of its host.
I think it’s wildly optimistic to believe any oligarch ever wants to fix anything, they just want to accumulate more. They’ll never develop consciences because there’s no profit in that. Their power lies in being able to buy public opinion- it’s the reason Islamophobia is so rampant round the world, why good people like Jamal Bowman loses his seat. And I think they are definitely tumours up in charge of the host, and we ordinary people (the host) just seem to be unable to see a way out. I certainly can’t.
Okay, I basically agree with you, let's not quibble over the definition of "in charge". What I was wanting to get across was that I think our problems stem from looking for a daddy or mummy figure look after us. If we give up the expectation to be led, the childish desire to abdicate our responsibilities to our "betters", then we won't be creating a niche for sociopaths to dominate us and con us into acting against our own interests.
What I'm talking about is bottom up cultural change giving rise to a different society, rather than top down, hierarchical enforcement of policies which, as you point out, always get co-opted.
The propaganda machine is so entrenched into American society, it’s seems like an impossible task to get people off the propaganda tit. The powers that be are so good at creating division, it’s hard to see an end to the machine that exists. Top down/bottom up, I don’t know which would be easier to realize.
I mean schools where indigenous people in Canada and the US were forced to go because their parents were forced to sign them over to the "schools" where they were starved, beaten and looked upon as not fully human.
Nothing has changed; ever hear of Buffy Saint Marie? She's an indigenous peoples supporter so the media ran a big smear campaign against her, even employed her own family to assault her.
I just received a email from my Senator Laphonza Butler--so lightweight an automaton, I barely remember her name--running interference for the genocide on behalf of the Biden crime family, AIPAC, and Israel (Murder Inc).
Caitlin, you will be happy to know, she assiduously followed all 15 rules for discussion.
I hope you're right. Speed and clandestine actions (evading US/Israel surveillance) is paramount to pulling off a lightning fast strike/lethal blow (though the repercussions of any such actions would be severe and a huge cost to bear).
"Rule 7 is true instead of proof that Rule 7 is ridiculous nonsense."
I wish I knew the words to get this through to people who think this genocide was because of October 7. Some people are just brainwashed into believing that Israel is the victim in all conflicts and not true Israel apologists.
Great set of rules!
Lebanon sent 100 rockets at military targets and Israel sent 1,000 at civilian targets and still world leaders are sitting on their asses and not doing everything in their power to stop Israel. Turkey and Qatar are telling Hezbollah to stop their attacks. Erdogan is a barking dog that barks at the caravan instead of shutting down the fuel going to Israel.
There's a strange, or not so strange, parallel between "October 7" drummed into people's heads as the start of Israel's "self-defense" genocide/ethnic cleansing (always referred to in the media as "horrific October 7") whereas no such words are used for Israel's monstrous violent and expanding reign of terror. And the date "9/11" drummed into the American psyche year after year after year forever justifying the US's rape and pillaging "War on Terror" all over the world? By which anyone and everyone can be labelled a "terrorist." I'm not sure what "Rule" this massive military industrial multicorporate brainwashing falls under. It's so time to wake up and break this spell!
So true! What the US did after 9/11 was at least a 1,000 times worse than anything that happened on 9/11, and similarly what Israel is doing currently is a million times worse than anything that occurred on Oct.7th.
9/11 was an excuse to fuck up the Middle East, juts like Oct. 7th. What the government controlled news media reported happening, compared to the reality of those days, are nowhere close to each other.
But when will the world wake up? When will the UN start acting like a United Nations and not a tool for US political opinion and on-going wars?
When will it be illegal in the USA to contribute millions to bribe easily bribable politicians? When will the so called allies (vassal states) such as NATO, QUAD, and any number of 4 or 5 letter military groups decide that having the US as a partner is detrimental to their future?
When will the countries that have given land to the US military for bases, military airports, training establishments, nuclear weapons storage, etc. come to realise that their land is only being used for US hegemonic objectives , power games, military threatening devices and support resources and n0w......for perhaps the greatest murderers since Adolph Hitler and his Third Reich. The now famous and most hated stolen state called Israel, of course with America at its back and led by a geriatric fervent Roman Catholic, obviously pardoned daily by the Church for his dirty deeds, soon to be replaced by one of two equally mirror-imaged candidates, following two grand US election circus events.
A once respected country of 330 million people, now controlled from afar by a delinquent genocidal state of under 10 million, undoubtedly now owning the United States, lock, stock and barrel.
The stolen state is called America, with its blood sucking parasite on its back, the same Israel once called (only by Americans, that is ) "the only democracy in the Middle East" or words similar, now having made the USA nothing more than a naive, apathetic, corrupt vassal state.
“When will the countries who have given land to the US for bases …….”etc etc
Indeed. Australia - guilty as charged. Pathetic and infuriating. Australia tries to have a bet each way on every issue…. Hope it gets tripped up at the (sadly unworkable) UN.
Oh please, Israel is just another star on an already blood-soaked banner. America was stolen 500 years ago and repopulated by people colonised so long before, they'd forgotten what they'd lost. Eventually they were even duped into thinking they were free, without ever pausing to wonder why all the things they cared about so much in their precious fucking Constitution were labelled "amendments". The Bill of Rights was the afterthought of their bosses, a condescending joke.
Many Australians are quite aware that we live in a vassal state - cos every time the government attempts to exercise some sovereignty, they get soft-couped. We're run by mining barons internally and the Empire externally.
There is no such thing as a 'nice' or 'joyful' genocider. The only vibes Kamuddle brings to the game are from 2,000-lb bombs blowing defenseless, overcrowded refugee camps to bits. There is no other issue bigger than genocide and there is no difference on that score between Kamuddle and Trump.
Pfft! What if the 50% of eligible voters who haven't been voting all decided to vote for a third party? Would that be "stealing votes from the Democrats"?
Exactly. If all these supposed moral people that are fed up with voting for evil puppets, that only serve the oligarchs, actually voted with a conscience, it seems like a third party could have a chance to win. Instead the morons vote for their kids to die in wars fought for oligarchs and to cut off their own legs. It’s fucking irrational and completely stupid, to be presented with the information that democrats are evil, genocidal, warmongers that could give two fucks about you, yet you still vote for them. It’s quite possibly the dumbest thing someone can say.
That's it, have a bash, don't just fucking sit there! Throw a spanner (sorry, monkeywrench) in the works. Even if the oligarchs just crush your disruption, at least you'll have forced them to admit how much democracy you DON'T have, and the rest of the world won't have to hear all about your elections every four years.
I know what the outcome will be. It will be shown we don’t live in a democracy. A third party won’t be allowed to win. There will have to be blood shed. Here’s to hoping our people in the military know whose side they are on and don’t participate in killing the proletariat. Bastille day in the US.
I’ve had this conversation with him before. I wouldn’t be so quick to anger if he wasn’t continually saying these comments, that have no logic to them. I know it looks like I jumped down his throat for a simple comment.
I will be voting for the Socialist Equality Party as I do in every presidential election. Joseph Kishore for President and Jerry White for Vice President. I never voted Dem again after 1992.
Wouldn’t it be nice if we were arguing over who to vote for and our choices were the Socialist Equality Party, or the Green Party. Instead there are two parties controlled by the most evil people in the world, and most of the brain dead public will be voting for one of them.
Choice is what makes a democracy. In a true democracy, all groups should have equal access to run for office. A group of genocidal Zionists, and a group of peace loving hippies should have equal access and the citizens votes should decide. Even if Dr. Stein somehow won, she would never be allowed in office. The electors from the electoral college wouldn’t let it happen, or the CIA would just shoot her. We live in a totalitarian plutocracy that trot out a couple of actors every 4 years, to pretend like the citizens have some say in what happens.
A Soviet and an Yank are flying on a plane to the US. They chat and the Yank asks the Russian's reason for visiting. "To study propaganda" comes the reply.
"Why would you come to the USA to learn about propaganda?", asks the astounded American.
Wow! Dark truths of the matter. May your writing breakthrough like an incisive scalpel into the jaded and clogged hearts of apathy, hate and denial. But they’re already lost, and I’m not counting on them to stop this.
How.can.we.stop.this? World War 3 is imminent, they’ve pulled out all the stops.
We need to refuse to vote enmasse!
That’s a pipe dream. They’ll just declare their appointed choice, anyway. As is a third party win (which I’ll be voting for). A general strike until an arms embargo is effected? Most people can’t afford to lose their jobs.
The horrors keep increasing in macabre brutality. Eyeballs exploded? This is utterly barbaric.We are witnessing yet another periodic descent into Hell which human beings seem to require to be fully themselves. Climate change will kill most of us while we distract ourselves by killing each other.
#11 is so insane when you realize most unsubstantiated claims in Western media use literal government officials (often anonymous or unnamed) as go-to sources.
They literally tell you what a government said. They publish this as journalism. If Israeli or Ukrainian officials say X is true, Western media doesn't merely say X is true, they say what their officials say about Israel or Ukraine saying X is true.
State officials are cited because you're supposed to accept what they say as the official story. Disagree, and you need to provide mountains of ironclad evidence to prove your case that liars are lying and should be questioned*
*Any evidence you bring forward comes from an untrusted source known to spread propaganda, unlike your government and their friends
PS - also the U.S. attempt to exterminate all Indigenous Peoples and/or remove them from their lands. This was not only in North America, but throughout the Americas and on to much of the World. The U.S. IS the Evil Empire. Needless to say, the British began the use of people captured and enslaved in Africa and loaded like logs one on top of another in chains, onto slaveships all for the purpose of increasing profit - not just in the South, but throughout their Colonies on the East Coast, along with Indentured Servants. It is always about land and wealth and of course oil and other resources plus Hegemony over the entire World and Space.
There is a ton of evidence that the Sephardic Jews were biggest slave runners. Look up the Dutch East India Company. The rich Europeans and the rich Jewish Oligarchs have been working hand in hand for a long time, making money off of nefarious inhumane practices . Israel is a continuation of the same practices with the modern version of the oligarchs behind the genocide.
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Yes!! You said it!
Israel is and was a huge mistake.
The fading old empire, desperate to regain its glory days of worldwide invasion and pillage; the expanding triumphant new empire, eager to take on that mantle - neither of them really thought Israel through strategically.
There were just those A-rabs there. They didn't get a vote.
You said it - the Empire conveniently defined indigenous peoples as local wildlife. In Australia they even gave it a legal term - "terra nullius". As in, "People? What people? We don't see no humans here."
Terra Nullius was used as a legal reason to take over Canada as well. See the book by the same name. Shocking history.
I remember in school, when they'd teach us about "explorers" "discovering" parts of Australia, I'd ask them, "But weren't there already people living there? Why didn't they just ask them?" The teacher would give me the strangest look.
Rhymes with " A land with no people for a people with no land" as the Brits munch on Jaffa Cakes.
Who grew the oranges? That does not matter to infantilized adults who are comfortable in the heart of the empire.
Archival footage here showing the cities, ports, etc of Palestine.
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/featured-documentaries/2013/5/29/al-nakba/
No, look at your history. There were Arabs and Jews. Arab leaders met with Hitler long before the State of Israel. The reason? To get rid of Jews. No doubt this is why a two state solution was turned down by the Arabs.
The Zionists met with Hitler, not the Arabs. That’s some revisionist Zionist history, that you’re throwing out. lol!
"a two state solution was turned down by the Arabs."...??? There was, after Israel kicked, burned, murdered Palestinians out of their villages and cities, a 2 state solution. The West Bank and Gaza. It didn't work out too well, did it? Not because of the Palestinians, either.
Beyond my current education........I did hear a lovely old Jew whose family had lived peacefully along side Muslims in Iraq and had to leave after Israelis made trouble there to force jews to Israel. It was not a good move. In Israel he had to learn rid himself of his Arabic culture. His background was looked down upon....the European jews were the "superior germanic" Jews. He's on Youtube.
Correct! Clare Phillips isn’t telling the truth. What else would you expect.
Avi Schlaim per chance? I love him - his quiet, calm voice, his intelligence, his FACTS, and, of course, his wild curly hair that reminds me of a child’s stuffed lamb. He is a wonderful man, greatest respect.
Spot on. This is the truth.
Look at the history Germany 1933 and the boycott that starved many. Transfer Plan.
Hmm, in my reading of history there were Jews living in Palestine who were also Arabs at the same time. Then a bunch of other Jews of a variety of other ethnicities were herded into Palestine under duress.
Were these newcomers allowed to speak the languages they had spoken since birth, or publish books and newspapers in those languages? No, they had to speak Hebrew!
Like this history?
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn517746
No strategy? The British navy had just switched from coal to oil. Before WW1, Germany was weeks away from finishing the Berlin to Baghdad Railway where the Germans would provide engineering to develop the oil fields and split the profits with the owners of the land.
There is more……….
This is all true - the first place British troops landed on foreign soil at the onset of WW1 was Basra.
After the war, though, there were elements within the Anglo-American power structure that felt Zionism was too heavy-handed and anachronistic. They advocated for simply fostering a comprador elite, as was being done in the other newly created Arab states. The pro-Zionists, however, claimed that these other states would need a constant threat of direct violence hanging over their heads to keep them in line.
I don't think they were correct. Israel has been too disruptive, too costly, hampering the Empire's stable control of oil extraction. That's why I opined that the decision to go with Zionism was made for emotional reasons rather than pragmatic long-term strategic ones.
Don’t forget that many of the borders of Arabic lands were rewritten by the British Empire and their French allies after WW1 when the black stuff that fuelled the new motor car was discovered in Arabia. The Saud family were the hardest gangsters in the land so naturally the Uk made them monarchs.
True. The Sykes Picot Agreement. As I relearn history I find secret agreements written up, before the first shot is fired, on how it will be divided later. France, Britain, etc all get their pieces so they don't lose time in-fighting. They could not allow Germany to benefit from this, and especially not the Arabs. The post Ukraine and Gaza/Palestine agreements are interesting too. See Lawrence of Arabia's biography detailing the fact he knew they intended to do this all along.
Too bad learning from history has not been invented yet.
Well if you were a powerful zionist in the late 19th Century plotting on getting Zionist Baron Rothschild to persuade Jewish UK Foreign Secretary (ie minister) to declare Palestine to be the home of the Jews you would be saying it was a mistake that it took so long to gift the Chosen People of God sovereignty over a swath of land that some of them once lived on. thousands of year before And if questioned would have declared that god moves in mysterious ways but is always making the right decision for His chosen people
"God" has moved on after seeing what the highest evolution of animal is doing to this rich planet. Big mistake: it should have stopped with the monkeys.
I see you have managed to include quite a few antisemitic tropes (slow hand clap..) Israel exists because of views like yours. Antisemitism has always existed. It didn't start with Israel.
Now, who is creating antisemitism on a grand scale??
The perennial victims.
I love how the random Zionist comes on here with a bunch of misinformation and hate. Who do you think you’re fooling?
Oh yes it did.
You need to read History and find out who ordered Jews to prison camps and saved the Zionists?
Perfect.
Well, obviously you could say the same thing about the entire species; how many other animals act like that? Even rat pack are kinder gentler garbage eaters
One thing that faux-left liberals and faux-right conservatives can agree on: it's perfectly acceptable to disregard someone who utters a keyword you don't like. The libs call it being intolerant, the cons call it being triggered, neither constitutes a rational argument.
Don't fall for kneejerk pigeonholing!
If we do the dividing, they'll do the conquering.
Red a very true last sentence!
Meant to type Res Nullius
No other country in the world would be told it is a 'mistake'. It is views such as yours, and others expressed in these comments, that tell me why Israel does exist and needs to exist. Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists. If they cared about their own people, why would they deliberately use them as human shields? Nobody wants war, but as long as there are groups whose self professed aim is to eliminate all Jews, it will continue.
Clare. What is your country doing?
Killing civilians.Palestinian women and children because you want more land.
How come you have committed SO many countries and you hide behind the USA who give you money for weapons to continue your hideous ideals.
How many civilians in Lebanon have you massacred by making them blind!
My country? You have made an assumption. My country is the UK. I was born in London and have lived here all my life. My Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, has called for a ceasefire. The difference between you and I is that I can support a ceasefire but still condemn Hamas, but your compassion does not extend to the Israelis murdered, or to the hostages and their families.
Hamas has done nothing wrong. How the fuck can you be alive and have no idea WTF is really going on. Everyone at this point should know that Israel killed its own citizens on Oct 7th, there wasn’t one rape, no beheaded babies, just IDF tanks and helicopters opening fire on Israeli civilians. Do you not know this? I would guess you do and you’re just another POS liar.
Oh well just as bad as US/Israhell then.
YOUR PM wants to send long range missiles into Russia!
When a country commits genocide and is supported by YOUR UK country then no I have no compassion.
There are 1000's of Palestinian hostages being raped and tortured in Israeli Jails.
Idiot!!
born in London? No shit! Now I know "between you and I" must be the proper London grammar.
Israel is a terrorist state. It’s the only one in the region.
That’s erroneous beyond the average. Try East Timor, Northern Ireland, the former Yugoslavian parts, etc.
Besides, the people of Israel have been unable to establish self-governance for 2000 years and they still haven’t now. I say that because their existence entirely depends on a brutal schoolyard bullying hegemon to avoid being massacred by their neighbours.
All your lies have been debunked. You getting on here and lying over and over will never make the lies true, it just makes you a liar.
Umm. I must have imagined the the video that Hezbollah posted, showing its impressive tunnels and weapons funded by Iran. This was on the ITV news a short time ago. Show me the evidence of you're going to accuse me of being a liar.
You watch Mainstream Media.....well that says a lot for you!
You’re a brainwashed moron or a willing liar. You should look at yourself and realize you don’t have a shred of humanity in you. You’re a psychopath and an immoral POS.
What the hell does having a defense set up against invaders, have to do with anything?
You do know the only genocidal group are on your team. They have never said that they want to eliminate all Jews, just the occupying Zionist entity that’s Israel. Anyone in their shoes would say the same thing. They do not use their own as human shields. That’s a lie and a proven one, which makes you a liar, on top of being a genocidal POS!!
Cart-before-horse reasoning.
It’s easier if you just tell us you hate Jews and want them wiped from the face of the earth. Have the balls to own your Jew hate.
So right to and hom with the pathetic laughable claims of Jew hate. Is that what you want? We’re talking about Israel here and you’re flying in the face of many posters who rightly insist on the distinction between Jews and Israel and Israel and Zionists.
Fwiw I supported Israel from the beginning until they exposed their barbaric core.
I think you might have meant “ad hominem.” And I didn’t use it. I made a factual statement. There’s no other way to interpret your screed.
Ad hom is in common usage. I’m guessing English may not be your native language because otherwise you’d know that fact and interpretation are anything but synonymous.
If English was your first language, you’d know that you used a conjunction “and” in your original post.
Judaism is not equal to Zionism. Zionism is Judaism’s biggest enemy.
Hamas Hezbollah and Ansar Allah are Semites too it’s a language base not a religion or a tribal group that some humans call ‘a race’
Thanks for that I’d forgotten Sykes Picot agreement
All Zionist arguments boil down to "might is right!" except when Jews are the victims, such as the Holocaust. Then, might is no longer right and Victim Status Means Everything Is Allowed.
So true Feral!
You clearly don't understand what Zionism is. Please go away and educate yourself. The hatred for Israel is precisely because it is the only Jewish state and Jews will not be victims. They are fighting back. No one likes a Jew who doesn't know their place. If you really cared about human rights, you would condemn Hamas and Hezbollah rather than focusing on Israel.
I beg to differ. If you’ve researched the origins of Zionism and its tenets you’ll know that from its inception Zionism was a colonial settler movement, with full intent to remove, BY ANY MEANS (my emphasis added) the current population of Palestine and make a homeland for the Jews which would have a Jewish majority. Documents from Israel’s own archives prove the planning, the terrorist attacks against the British to drive them out as well as robbing trains and other locations for money and weapons. They bombed the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, British Mandate HQ, killing Brits, Palestinians, and Jewish people. Using terrorism to achieve the political goal of controlling the Mandate. From 1947 onwards there were mass killings, sometimes just the males, sometimes entire villages were massacred. Ben Gurion didn’t try to hide these atrocities, he wanted the Palestinians to know what was being done in order to make their removal easier. In the end between 700,000 and 750,000 Palestinians were murdered or ethnically cleansed in order to create a country which preferences some of its citizens over others. Their basic laws state Israel is a Jewish state for the Jewish people, in spite of 20% of its citizens not being Jewish.
Most who oppose Zionism and the Israeli state have no antipathy towards Jewish people, many are Jewish, they have a strong aversion to injustice in the form of a brutal occupation, the theft of property and the death and displacement of people from their homes, the ongoing apartheid in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and the ongoing genocide in Gaza.
Genocide is the highest crime with no justification under law. It doesn’t matter what religion the perpetrators are, it’s a crime, the highest crime. Wanting your own state, only for ppl of your religion, doesn’t give license to violate the Geneva Conventions, all international law, and basic human rights. That’s why ppl are opposed to Israel. If Jewish ppl wanted to live in Palestine, in peace with their neighbors they could and did (late 1800’s-1930’s). It was only when the Zionist agenda became known, that these emigres didn’t simply want to live in Palestine, they wanted absolute control of Palestine, and they wanted the Palestinians removed from their homes, villages, never to be allowed to return.
There are many good sources on Zionism. I’d suggest you start with the “new” Israeli historians. I think you’ll find that Zionism isn’t an innocent desire for peace.
By armed robbery, aided and abetter by the United States and its catamites?
For that matter, why is it that so many Jews left "the only Jewish state" following October 7th?
I beg to differ. If you’ve researched the origins of Zionism and its tenets you’ll know that from its inception Zionism was a colonial settler movement, with full intent to remove, BY ANY MEANS (my emphasis added) the current population of Palestine and make a homeland for the Jews which would have a Jewish majority. Documents from Israel’s own archives prove the planning, the terrorist attacks against the British to drive them out as well as robbing trains and other locations for money and weapons. They bombed the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, British Mandate HQ, killing Brits, Palestinians, and Jewish people. Using terrorism to achieve the political goal of controlling the Mandate. From 1947 onwards there were mass killings
Lying is unbecoming. Being uneducated is something I can help you with, but lying is a character flaw.
Clare. We are actually educated on here so your words will not make a difference.
You have a brutal/genocidal nature. You allow rape in your prisons/you kill babies and women and please listen.
YOUR country is making good Jewish people feel unsafe all over the world.
Jenny, I find it interesting that you assume I am Israeli, and hold me personally responsible for the actions of the Israeli government. You will see in my previous reply that I am British, born in London. I have lived here all my life.
Who counts as a 'good Jewish person?
Jews feel unsafe in many countries as the moment because of the rise in antisemitic attacks. All Jews are being held responsible for the actions of the Israeli government, whatever their views. That in itself is antisemitism. You choosing to personally attack me, holding me responsible, is antisemitic.
So if the Empire had sent Catholics, say, to invade the Middle East instead, they would have been well-loved by the local inhabitants? Is that what you're suggesting?
I actually believe that the greatest reason for antisemitic feelings is the actions of right wing Israeli politicians. And it doesn't appear that anyone thinks the Israeli actions in Gaza has anything to do with the massive oil and gas reserves off of the Gaza coast. Or the possibility that Israel wants to build a new canal that would enter the Mediterranean at Gaza. Then there's also the matter of large purchases of Israeli defense stocks were purchased just prior to the October 7th attack. And please don't mention that there was Israeli financial support given to Hamas and Israeli troops were ordered away from Gaza just prior to October 7th. And please don't mention that most Israeli citizens are required to do two years in the IDF, which essentially makes most Israeli citizens actual soldiers.
And please, please do not forget Israel's full support of Ukraine and vice versa, and Ukraine's proclaiming to want to be a new Israel. With the same objectives as the old one. Chew on this jimmy.
Russia has been using the same rockets against Ukraine that Hezbollah are storing in their tunnels and using. All backed by Iran.
Continue with your train of thought, if you have one, so I could try to respond.
Source, please?
An interested Jimmy.
I don’t have the link at hand but Richard Medhurst put out a 2 part video on Israel’s plans for Gaza including the gas deposits and the canal. Also see Gaza 2035, a plan put out by BiBi shortly before 10/7.
I've now looked up Gaza 2035. I'm not so sure it's legit. Plans released by Cry Bibi in Feb don't reference it nor seem to echo it.
I’ll try to find the article that I read. Later I found reference to a plan of BiBi’s that he supposedly denied initially and then presented only to his inner circle within a month of 10/7. That plan seemed to be in line with Gaza 2035. I’ll try to find the articles. I read too much! Finding something I read months ago is challenging. I’d like to reread them myself.
I’ve also seen the claims that Israel intends to make a portion of Ukraine the “new Israel”. It would be approximately where the Khazar (sp) kingdom had been. The Ashkenazi Jews who established Israel are believed to be the descendants of this kingdom where the queen decided that all of her subjects would convert to Judaism. This belies the claim that Israel’s founders have an unbroken link to Palestine. A recent study by John’s Hopkins found no genetic link between the ashkenazi Jews and the people of the area of Palestine. The study wasn’t done for purposes of establishing or negating a link between Eastern European Jews and Palestine. It was a highly refined DNA study conducted to better define genetic links to certain diseases and then better treatments.
I agree that Israel East seems far fetched. I’ve seen several videos that claim to be genuine, speakers extolling the additional defense possibilities as well as providing room for expansion which is limited in Israel. I don’t know what to think. On the one hand it seems crazy but, then again, I wouldn’t put anything past Israel’s mad lust for land and control. And I wouldn’t put anything past the US’s equally mad list for hegemony. We live in a truly crazy world with all of the evil exposed.
Oh, I know about the gas (and oil) plans, and of the canal, but it was the claim by Russian Bot that Ukraine wanted to be a new Israel. Seemed like late night, loose tongued verbiage.
I hadn't read Gaza 2035 though; thanks, I will look it up.
Do you have link for the defense stocks?
The world is one big residential school and Israel is in charge. They can break fingers, starve people, refuse them medical care, disallow any language that they don't understand.
And rape the students. Israel is the pedophile state.
"COWARDLY DEPRAVITY: Stripped & Held At Gunpoint, Gaza Schoolboys ‘forced to be Israel’s human shields’"
https://mark192.substack.com/p/cowardly-depravity-stripped-and-held
Israel is probably the world leader in perversions and I'm puzzled why shitlibs of the forum would not support it instead of Palestinians who are very conservative and - shock! - against abortions!
I am in favor of abortion on demand. At no cost and with no restrictions whatsoever. Always was, always will be.
There should be a free abortion line at every Costco and Walmart.
I would really like it be called "termination". Abortion some negative connotations.
Lol. Quick lane to heaven. At this point it’s a moral act to not bring someone into the dystopian hell hole.
I guess you think your comment is somehow applicable to what I actually wanted to convey.
To add on to it. If you are born and end up being part of the LGBTQ community, then they will help you die. You don’t have much value if you’re not white and straight.
"“shitlibs” consider a human to be a life once it’s born" - I don't question shitlibs consider that to be the case. That's one of the reasons they're shitlibs.
Re-read my original comment once again and try to put that sacred cow of yours - abortion - to the sidelines just for that one time to really understand what I'm saying.
By the way, I'm amazed at your uniqueness having skipped all the "not life" stages. Somehow you spared some woman what shitlibs consider cancer inside.
Meanwhile in the US you fight for: Abortion rights/LGBT etc. Your country is responsible for shipping arms to Israhell and complicit in genocide.
Your major attention SHOULD be on what your country has become?
Is that 'russian_bot' or 'butt'?
Dear Mark. There is absolutely NO point in even commenting to this person.
He has been here forever and boring as hell!
Oh, every now and then it's kinda' fun to play the trolls, get 'em stirred up, blathering and expose themselves for who -- and what -- they are. I try not to do it too often, but every now and then it provides some dark entertainment.
Says cartoonist who's as original in his cartoons as in his trolling 🤣🤡
I have done this in the past BUT not worth it.
It's like replying to religious people..........NO point.
Clever. Now that you've patted yourself on the back, what about the substance?
Since you were the one to first wander from the substance you go first.
When you re-trace the thread you start from the node where the exchange originated. It happens to be yours. Re-read it then come back.
Btw, most shitlibs here appear to be siding with Russia against Ukraine. That's hypocritical once more. Ukraine is mini-Israel and as is usual in such cases tries hard to outdo its inspiration and a guide - Israel - re perversions of all kinds. Russia on the other hand is rather conservative, homo propaganda is forbidden etc etc.
So shitlibs should support both Ukraine and Israel. But they are shitlibs, hence hypocrisy is their middle name. Check that - their first and last name too.
Not everyone is limited/contrained by hazy definitions of "liberalism" and "conservatism" like you are.
Get over your limited/dogmatic thinking (I know you can't - it's not in your character).
Trying to place people into neat "black-boxes" and pigeon-holes of "isms" doesn't work - humans and humanity are too complex for such simplistic thinking.
Humans first (regardless of ideology). Live and let live (instead of trying to control everyone's actions and freedoms - even when they have no impact on you).
That is the problem with people like you - you want to make the world in YOUR IMAGE and follow your dictates/dictum (this would make the world even more fucked-up than it already is).
Thank God sociopathic and fascistic people like you are a minority in this world!
Well said, though I disagree with the 'Humans First' mantra. The Humans First monoculture is not looking great, tbh.
That's Ibrahamic 'God's chosen species' bullshit.
'Live and let live' suffices.
I think you misunderstand that part of my comment. By Humans first - it means humanity. i.e. think of humans as humans (without ideologies superimposed on them). Another way of phrasing it is "think of the humans as humans first and foremost". (The statement is not a comparison of humans with any other species in any context).
Fair enough, though it seems to be poorly used language, as 'Aryans first' or 'America first' as comparisons give an idea of how that type of phrasing comes across.
Anyway, I now get what you mean.
also rape them, kill them, and bury them in mass graves with no marker
That's what they do in Kane County, Illinois to Latino without papers
No-one is in charge. We're all on a runaway train without a driver or even any brakes. Those who claim to be in charge are only in charge of extracting wealth from the rest of us, concentrating power for the sake of their own selfish interests. They're an emergent phenomenon, a symptom of disease. Them is Us.
The people who own the stocks and shares in weapons companies, fossil fuel companies and tech companies are in charge. Eisenhower was absolutely prescient and it has indeed come to pass. Profit is the driver for all, human rights be damned.
I suppose it depends on what you mean by "in charge". They have power, certainly, but the power to do what, exactly?
They have the power to fuck us over: to extract the wealth from our labour, concentrate it and waste it on mad schemes to acquire more power, eventually running our society into the ground. But do they have the power to fix this mess? I don't think so.
In the unlikely event that any of the sociopaths at the top of the hierarchy ever developed a conscience, the others would quickly turn on them and divest them of their power.
To say the oligarchs are in charge is like saying a cancerous tumour is in charge of its host.
I think it’s wildly optimistic to believe any oligarch ever wants to fix anything, they just want to accumulate more. They’ll never develop consciences because there’s no profit in that. Their power lies in being able to buy public opinion- it’s the reason Islamophobia is so rampant round the world, why good people like Jamal Bowman loses his seat. And I think they are definitely tumours up in charge of the host, and we ordinary people (the host) just seem to be unable to see a way out. I certainly can’t.
Okay, I basically agree with you, let's not quibble over the definition of "in charge". What I was wanting to get across was that I think our problems stem from looking for a daddy or mummy figure look after us. If we give up the expectation to be led, the childish desire to abdicate our responsibilities to our "betters", then we won't be creating a niche for sociopaths to dominate us and con us into acting against our own interests.
What I'm talking about is bottom up cultural change giving rise to a different society, rather than top down, hierarchical enforcement of policies which, as you point out, always get co-opted.
The propaganda machine is so entrenched into American society, it’s seems like an impossible task to get people off the propaganda tit. The powers that be are so good at creating division, it’s hard to see an end to the machine that exists. Top down/bottom up, I don’t know which would be easier to realize.
You are absolutely right.
Family values........I think this was Reagan.
I agree!
I have a feeling many people might not understand what you mean by "residential schools".
I mean schools where indigenous people in Canada and the US were forced to go because their parents were forced to sign them over to the "schools" where they were starved, beaten and looked upon as not fully human.
Nothing has changed; ever hear of Buffy Saint Marie? She's an indigenous peoples supporter so the media ran a big smear campaign against her, even employed her own family to assault her.
That's what I think happened too.
Mr Bot must be liquored up tonight, as he being excessively abusive.
chokaski had to google it too so it could exclude itself from "many people".
That's a perfect description of the town that I lived in for over 50 years
Hmm, how 'bout that, I'm proudly guilty of violating all 15 rules.
I'm sure the CIA will make note.
Thank You Caitlin
I just received a email from my Senator Laphonza Butler--so lightweight an automaton, I barely remember her name--running interference for the genocide on behalf of the Biden crime family, AIPAC, and Israel (Murder Inc).
Caitlin, you will be happy to know, she assiduously followed all 15 rules for discussion.
Maha Prema
She is pitiful. I’ve reached out to her office a number of times. What a waste of a temporary senate seat. “You know nothing Jon Snow.”
About sums it up! Thank you, Caitlin.
We can’t let them get away with this, our humanity, and our human species, requires that they be stopped. There really is no other option.
Whilst they have the full backing of the US they ARE unstoppable - tragically.
No.
If Hezbollah and Iran got together there would be NO Israel despite the USA
I hope you're right. Speed and clandestine actions (evading US/Israel surveillance) is paramount to pulling off a lightning fast strike/lethal blow (though the repercussions of any such actions would be severe and a huge cost to bear).
Perhaps this is so BUT who want's to see Israhell to succeed?
>>"who want's to see Israhell to succeed?"
NO ONE (other than evil monsters that don't deserve to be a part of humanity)!
Do they make a head towel with horns. You need to wear one. Such wickedness wished for.🐷
Not 'wickedness' just a reasonable assumption.
lol!
rule 3(a): Israeli self-defense includes genocide.
"Rule 7 is true instead of proof that Rule 7 is ridiculous nonsense."
I wish I knew the words to get this through to people who think this genocide was because of October 7. Some people are just brainwashed into believing that Israel is the victim in all conflicts and not true Israel apologists.
Great set of rules!
Lebanon sent 100 rockets at military targets and Israel sent 1,000 at civilian targets and still world leaders are sitting on their asses and not doing everything in their power to stop Israel. Turkey and Qatar are telling Hezbollah to stop their attacks. Erdogan is a barking dog that barks at the caravan instead of shutting down the fuel going to Israel.
There's a strange, or not so strange, parallel between "October 7" drummed into people's heads as the start of Israel's "self-defense" genocide/ethnic cleansing (always referred to in the media as "horrific October 7") whereas no such words are used for Israel's monstrous violent and expanding reign of terror. And the date "9/11" drummed into the American psyche year after year after year forever justifying the US's rape and pillaging "War on Terror" all over the world? By which anyone and everyone can be labelled a "terrorist." I'm not sure what "Rule" this massive military industrial multicorporate brainwashing falls under. It's so time to wake up and break this spell!
So true! What the US did after 9/11 was at least a 1,000 times worse than anything that happened on 9/11, and similarly what Israel is doing currently is a million times worse than anything that occurred on Oct.7th.
9/11 was an excuse to fuck up the Middle East, juts like Oct. 7th. What the government controlled news media reported happening, compared to the reality of those days, are nowhere close to each other.
Now that is quite a summary, Caitlin.
But when will the world wake up? When will the UN start acting like a United Nations and not a tool for US political opinion and on-going wars?
When will it be illegal in the USA to contribute millions to bribe easily bribable politicians? When will the so called allies (vassal states) such as NATO, QUAD, and any number of 4 or 5 letter military groups decide that having the US as a partner is detrimental to their future?
When will the countries that have given land to the US military for bases, military airports, training establishments, nuclear weapons storage, etc. come to realise that their land is only being used for US hegemonic objectives , power games, military threatening devices and support resources and n0w......for perhaps the greatest murderers since Adolph Hitler and his Third Reich. The now famous and most hated stolen state called Israel, of course with America at its back and led by a geriatric fervent Roman Catholic, obviously pardoned daily by the Church for his dirty deeds, soon to be replaced by one of two equally mirror-imaged candidates, following two grand US election circus events.
A once respected country of 330 million people, now controlled from afar by a delinquent genocidal state of under 10 million, undoubtedly now owning the United States, lock, stock and barrel.
The stolen state is called America, with its blood sucking parasite on its back, the same Israel once called (only by Americans, that is ) "the only democracy in the Middle East" or words similar, now having made the USA nothing more than a naive, apathetic, corrupt vassal state.
How do Americans live with that.
“When will the countries who have given land to the US for bases …….”etc etc
Indeed. Australia - guilty as charged. Pathetic and infuriating. Australia tries to have a bet each way on every issue…. Hope it gets tripped up at the (sadly unworkable) UN.
Oh please, Israel is just another star on an already blood-soaked banner. America was stolen 500 years ago and repopulated by people colonised so long before, they'd forgotten what they'd lost. Eventually they were even duped into thinking they were free, without ever pausing to wonder why all the things they cared about so much in their precious fucking Constitution were labelled "amendments". The Bill of Rights was the afterthought of their bosses, a condescending joke.
Many Australians are quite aware that we live in a vassal state - cos every time the government attempts to exercise some sovereignty, they get soft-couped. We're run by mining barons internally and the Empire externally.
P.S. I’m a US citizen and I do plan to vote D because I have this visceral thing about Trump, but I don’t have any illusions otherwise.
Vote third party, if you have a conscience.
Considering it.
There is no such thing as a 'nice' or 'joyful' genocider. The only vibes Kamuddle brings to the game are from 2,000-lb bombs blowing defenseless, overcrowded refugee camps to bits. There is no other issue bigger than genocide and there is no difference on that score between Kamuddle and Trump.
https://youtu.be/aO7RCSXakQ4?si=fQm1bulUkKZ4dSbr
A vote for a third party is a vote for Drumpf.
Pfft! What if the 50% of eligible voters who haven't been voting all decided to vote for a third party? Would that be "stealing votes from the Democrats"?
#VoteOther
Exactly. If all these supposed moral people that are fed up with voting for evil puppets, that only serve the oligarchs, actually voted with a conscience, it seems like a third party could have a chance to win. Instead the morons vote for their kids to die in wars fought for oligarchs and to cut off their own legs. It’s fucking irrational and completely stupid, to be presented with the information that democrats are evil, genocidal, warmongers that could give two fucks about you, yet you still vote for them. It’s quite possibly the dumbest thing someone can say.
That's it, have a bash, don't just fucking sit there! Throw a spanner (sorry, monkeywrench) in the works. Even if the oligarchs just crush your disruption, at least you'll have forced them to admit how much democracy you DON'T have, and the rest of the world won't have to hear all about your elections every four years.
I know what the outcome will be. It will be shown we don’t live in a democracy. A third party won’t be allowed to win. There will have to be blood shed. Here’s to hoping our people in the military know whose side they are on and don’t participate in killing the proletariat. Bastille day in the US.
Well said!
Stop it with that nonsense.
That's the only answer most brainwashed people throw out at you.
And the difference between Kamuddle and Trump on support for the US/Israel genocide in Gaza is....?
There is no 'nicer' genocider with a better 'vibe'. A vote for either makes you complicit in genocide.
Four legs good, two legs bad.
No, Sir. Watch the interview I have posted above.
A vote for Dem is a vote for more genocide.
I don't get a vote; please use yours wisely.
So what you're saying is that democracy is dead in the US and has been since it became a two-party system?
Oh. One of those comments reiterated time and time again! Both parties are the same.
Why are you so ignorant. Kamala is possibly more evil than Trump. Why can’t you get it through your thick skull that they are the same entity.
Easy now, CrumpledForeskin.
Opening (then continuing) with insults only turns these spaces into Youtube comments sections. Play the ball, not the player.
Meanwhile, yes, Kamala is at least as evil, probably moreso.
I’ve had this conversation with him before. I wouldn’t be so quick to anger if he wasn’t continually saying these comments, that have no logic to them. I know it looks like I jumped down his throat for a simple comment.
Fair enough. 😉
I try and remember: Don't argue with idiots; they'll only drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
But I'm an idiot and forget my own advice. If you see me rising/diving for bait, then please keep me from turning this space rancid!
Vote Jill Stein!!!! "People!! Planet!! ! Peace!!" It's a choice of a lifetime!!!
I will be voting for the Socialist Equality Party as I do in every presidential election. Joseph Kishore for President and Jerry White for Vice President. I never voted Dem again after 1992.
Wouldn’t it be nice if we were arguing over who to vote for and our choices were the Socialist Equality Party, or the Green Party. Instead there are two parties controlled by the most evil people in the world, and most of the brain dead public will be voting for one of them.
Wouldn't it be nice if Yanks could effortlessly envisage being in any voting scenario with multiple choices and freedom to choose.
I keep hearing the 'either-or' concept of democracy, though admittedly SEP or Greens would be a better forced choice.
Choice is what makes a democracy. In a true democracy, all groups should have equal access to run for office. A group of genocidal Zionists, and a group of peace loving hippies should have equal access and the citizens votes should decide. Even if Dr. Stein somehow won, she would never be allowed in office. The electors from the electoral college wouldn’t let it happen, or the CIA would just shoot her. We live in a totalitarian plutocracy that trot out a couple of actors every 4 years, to pretend like the citizens have some say in what happens.
Yup, sometimes literally... like Ronnie Raygun.
It's the price of Empire; being internally oppressed for the sake of the 'greater goal' of successfully oppressing others.
Then you’re complicit in genocide and can no longer consider yourself a moral person.
I'm a US citizen, but I'm not a total moron.
You're a minority. This new category should be recognized and awarded some protections.
It is amply rewarded if you live in Washington DC.
Ha ha ha ha ha!
😅To russian_bot.
Here's the 'visceral thing':
A Soviet and an Yank are flying on a plane to the US. They chat and the Yank asks the Russian's reason for visiting. "To study propaganda" comes the reply.
"Why would you come to the USA to learn about propaganda?", asks the astounded American.
"That's why."
Then you are voting for genocide.
Nor am I. I do get your point.
Wow! Dark truths of the matter. May your writing breakthrough like an incisive scalpel into the jaded and clogged hearts of apathy, hate and denial. But they’re already lost, and I’m not counting on them to stop this.
How.can.we.stop.this? World War 3 is imminent, they’ve pulled out all the stops.
We need to refuse to vote enmasse!
That’s a pipe dream. They’ll just declare their appointed choice, anyway. As is a third party win (which I’ll be voting for). A general strike until an arms embargo is effected? Most people can’t afford to lose their jobs.
The horrors keep increasing in macabre brutality. Eyeballs exploded? This is utterly barbaric.We are witnessing yet another periodic descent into Hell which human beings seem to require to be fully themselves. Climate change will kill most of us while we distract ourselves by killing each other.
#11 is so insane when you realize most unsubstantiated claims in Western media use literal government officials (often anonymous or unnamed) as go-to sources.
They literally tell you what a government said. They publish this as journalism. If Israeli or Ukrainian officials say X is true, Western media doesn't merely say X is true, they say what their officials say about Israel or Ukraine saying X is true.
State officials are cited because you're supposed to accept what they say as the official story. Disagree, and you need to provide mountains of ironclad evidence to prove your case that liars are lying and should be questioned*
*Any evidence you bring forward comes from an untrusted source known to spread propaganda, unlike your government and their friends
PS - also the U.S. attempt to exterminate all Indigenous Peoples and/or remove them from their lands. This was not only in North America, but throughout the Americas and on to much of the World. The U.S. IS the Evil Empire. Needless to say, the British began the use of people captured and enslaved in Africa and loaded like logs one on top of another in chains, onto slaveships all for the purpose of increasing profit - not just in the South, but throughout their Colonies on the East Coast, along with Indentured Servants. It is always about land and wealth and of course oil and other resources plus Hegemony over the entire World and Space.
There is a ton of evidence that the Sephardic Jews were biggest slave runners. Look up the Dutch East India Company. The rich Europeans and the rich Jewish Oligarchs have been working hand in hand for a long time, making money off of nefarious inhumane practices . Israel is a continuation of the same practices with the modern version of the oligarchs behind the genocide.