You act like we should all be happy that this war is still going on, and that the West is pouring billions and billions more into this war and pretending there are no diplomatic options at all.
That's the big lie here isn't it Frank? That's the lie that Caitlin is pointing out: that we're all being led to believe there is no other option except killing each other, and spending billions upon billions of dollars that the US economy really can't afford anymore.
And guys like you will likely be cheering on humankind's demise because war must be the only answer - and anyone who disagrees with you are "Putin Puppets".
What a pile of shit.
I think JFK was right - if humankind doesn't put an end to war, war will put an end to humankind.
Yes, and USA has always been right about every never ending war they ever started. Are you serious? This war was 100% provoked, and for 8 years there was a simply diplomatic solution. Even old Kissinger had the same advice Colonels and Generals, and other advisors have been presenting for decades. This Ukraine coup stuff started with GW in 2004, then HRC/Obama in 2014. We win for the number of coups. We are bigoted and intolerant of other cultures, and we will rape, rob, pillage and burn to save the village. I think USA has killed about 20-30 million since WWII. GW maybe 2 million.
The war in Ukraine is over, the Russians are going to prevail, the patriotic fantasy that we stand with Ukraine no matter what is just that, it is a dream; it is over; it is done. Now the only matter left is how much damage our leaders will do worldwide to protect a small kleptocracy from a large kleptocracy and what price will our leaders make us pay to achieve their dangerous dream?
Read "Chapter 6: "Russia: The Failed Superpower" in "Disunited Nations" (2020) by Peter Zeihan. Russia is doomed anyway, and this stupid war will just accelerate its demise.
Chris Hedges would suggest that US Empire is collapsing, and that they can't continue to wage wars around the world and stage coups at the accelerated costly alarming rate we have since WWII. America is not great again, and never well be. In their attempt to dominate, police, and control the world and its resources while gutting its own infrastructure, Western hegemony and its unipolar vision navigated by arms makers, does not bode well for USA or the world. Even Kissinger knew better about Russia and post Cold War diplomacy than any of our corporate leaders. USA long ago missed any rights to claim a moral high ground.
I fully agree with you. This war will destroy the American domination and unilateral action against any and all Muslim Nations around the world. Simply, the American people seem to be dumb about what is really going on in this world today. The American people are brain-washed to an extent that the US and the West are the best people and all others, even while-skinned people are bad. I support Putin here in this war. Because, logic says that we will have to support the right people, Putin wanted to talk to the US/NATO/Ukraine 6 months before the invasion. The West are not interested thus this invasion. One cannot have a cake and eat it all the time. People still remember what the US/NATO did in Ukraine in 2014.
Well good, it's all settled then, right? So why go on and on about it if you already know the outcome? Paradise, i.e. a world without America, is just around the corner. It will be such great fun. I simply can't wait for my new Chinese and Russian and Indian masters to take charge. I just know in my heart of hearts they will be not only different than my current American masters but in fact they will be magnanimous in every way.
Of course not, there are still Ukrainians that are alive. The rules are clear, until the last Ukrainian. I just hope they count Chyristia Freeland and Vicky Nuddleman among those to be thrown on the bonfire of vanity and profits.
Ha I had a dream once that Dubya was arrested in France and taken to the Hague for trial. It was just devastating when I woke up and realized it hadn’t happened.
Peace is not an option because this is a proxy war. The fault lies entirely on the West, its opportunistic politicians and supporters who try to construct this as an "illegal' war on Russia's part, while they are definitely, resolutely, brutally, without the shadow of a doubt, conducting an illegal war themselves.The Iron Age, and perhaps the more significant,
Age of irony.
What is disturbing are the enabling pundits, the men of quality, like Noam Chomsky, who allow the injustice of the predicament imposed on Russia by a West-controlled Ukraine, yet deny the legality of Russia's response. This makes no sense of the common sort, nor is it justified by International law, which allows self-defence as a legal premise for aggression: yes, you can defend yourself for Chrissake!
Does Russia have grounds? Few deny it, yet it was supposed to wait around for 20 years until the situation resolved itself? Until permission could be granted? The West was obviously not interested in a solution acceptable to Russia, and instead imposed its will in Maidan and its lack of will concerning the implementation of the Minsk Accords. This is an exaggerated parallel to the RC church insistence that an intolerable marriage be tolerated for 20 - 30 years until annulment is granted - on RCC terms. This is injustice with compound interest.
This war is the West's poisoned wedding cake, replete with drooling war-mongers, and military- industrial type exploiters and extortionists - topped off with wild-eyed war and apocalypse lovers.
How can this even be considered a "proxy" war at a time when the US/UK/Germany/Poland are openly sending weapons and personnel into help the "brave" Nazis?
Peace is sometimes a side-effect of pursuing material interests. Kissinger isn't stupid enough to deny that in this case since any serious and informed person can see it and after the NYT and Telegraph have already changed their tune in print. Manchin is.
Didn't he do it in Vietnam 73? Why is it always Kissinger anyway? He has been in charge since he got the job as a German/English translator for Allan Dulles in 45. How old is he now?
OMG, thank you. I have been hoping that Kissinger would somehow be able to talk on Ukraine. FYI, he is 99 years old! I wish that Gorbachev's health was good enough to go public. Kissinger has been promoting NEUTRALITY since GW Bush was in office, maybe earlier.
It's true, Kissinger was the first to look deep into Putin's eyes and claim he had a pure and clean soul and that he was a good man.
It wasn't until recently I've come to realize Kissinger was a Soviet plant all along advising Nixon to further entrench in the quagmire that was Vietnam. Mohamed is right, Americans are so dumb about what is going on in the world and even at home under their noses. Kissinger, like Gladio after WWII, is part of the Soviet left-behind strategy. The Soviets didn't die, but rather have disguised themselves for the past three decades as capitalist pigs in order to bide their time and await the zeitgeist so they can rise again. The zeitgeist is now.
Quite a scramble and mash. Side note. Some early Cold Warriors made the shift during this Post USSR transition. Go figure. Maybe we should just stick to the US/NATO dream team. Our leaders work for the arms makers. Simple.
I agree, our "leaders" do work for the arms makers and that includes the weapons that are used for mass shootings right here in America that many in Glenn Greenwald's audience support. It is hypocritically ironical that these critics will decry weapons manufacturers when it comes to military ordinance used abroad but support the sale of military ordinance domestically so their sleeper cells can murder poor black people and elementary school hispanic children.
Whereas America's so-called "leaders" work for the arms dealers, in Russia the "leaders" are the arms dealers. Russia eliminated the middle man. It's much more efficient that way.
Just read that George Schlutz was leading the way for a peace time post USSR reduction in nukes. Henry writes about it on his website. I recall when Schultz turned anti nuke.
This was Kissinger's advice in 2014. He was very very displeased with HRC, and refused to endorse her in 2016, though, not sure, he might have come in the last day. Old Henry also gave this advice to GW about 7 years earlier. It is not much unlike many other sage advisors, many who are General and Colonels. https://www.henryakissinger.com/articles/how-the-ukraine-crisis-ends/
How quickly American politicians have forgotten the Cuban missile crisis. And, they don't seem to have the capacity to put themselves in the shoes of the Russians who are facing the exact same existential threat!
Madison Cawthorn hasn't forgotten considering he doesn't even know what the Cuban Missile Crisis is. You can't forget something you never knew. That being said, Dark Maga is the only thing that can stop this apocalyptic runaway train.
Meanwhile Putin publicly asked the Ukrainian military to take over the Ukrainian government. He is actually asking his official enemy to please take the country he is invading. I read a German translation of his speech in the anti-spiegel.
The world better hope Russia wins this sickening war in Ukraine, because if they start to lose, what then? They are simply not going to use their bigger "man toy", "big dick" nuclear weapons?
I am not saying I side with Putin. Surely there were better ways to resolve the Ukraine issue instead of mass killing people. Putin is a mass killer. Not as bad as Stalin or George Bush, but he now joins their ranks.
Do people really understand what war is about? It's not some video game where if you get shot, you just restart in a new location.
When you kill people or when you get killed, that's it. It's over. Whatever you were is gone. Who knows where but you're gone from this planet. Maybe consciousness goes somewhere else, but no one really knows that for sure.
So it amazes me people are so willing to lose their lives in war. Like it was some kind of kids game. This game of killing people and you likely being killed yourself. And all for what? Just so your country can prove it's the 'good guys' and the other country are the 'bad guys'?
Putin had no options left, other than direct action.
The US installed their own man as president in 2014 and directly supported the mass bloodshed.
The US had ignored Putins attempts at diplomatic solutions and had run numerous bio weapons research labs near Russias borders.
Nato had expanded continually, despite assurances that they would not and were threatening to place missiles on Russias border.
Ukraine has murdered 14,000+ people in the Donbass since 2014 and were poised to commit genocide, having amassed between 60,000 and 100,000 troops on the borders of that region.
Troops that have been raping, torturing and murdering civilians for the last eight years.
The Ukraine media celebrated the burning to death of civilians in Odessa and has also called for the extermination of all Russian speaking Ukrainians.
If you want to talk about mass killings, then look at Azov, Bandera, Right Sector, Aidan, Kraken and the US government / CIA.
He is getting trashed for it too. Funny, 3 months ago I was getting trashed for posting Kiss's advice on Ukraine from 2014. Now, hope is, though, this might empower others to come forward. Kiss is 99. I have to give him some credit here. Yes, I always referred to him as a war criminal. Remember Chris Hitchens book? Then what did Hitchens go and do?
As George Carlin said, “ Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity”.
yes, surrender is always the appropriate response to aggression, peace uber alles
You act like we should all be happy that this war is still going on, and that the West is pouring billions and billions more into this war and pretending there are no diplomatic options at all.
That's the big lie here isn't it Frank? That's the lie that Caitlin is pointing out: that we're all being led to believe there is no other option except killing each other, and spending billions upon billions of dollars that the US economy really can't afford anymore.
And guys like you will likely be cheering on humankind's demise because war must be the only answer - and anyone who disagrees with you are "Putin Puppets".
What a pile of shit.
I think JFK was right - if humankind doesn't put an end to war, war will put an end to humankind.
"You act like we should all be happy that this war is still going on"
Stop hallucinating.
You're the one claiming that negotiations are surrender.
Any negotiated solution is "surrender", then. Why bother with a State Department? Just make war on everyone.
Yes, and USA has always been right about every never ending war they ever started. Are you serious? This war was 100% provoked, and for 8 years there was a simply diplomatic solution. Even old Kissinger had the same advice Colonels and Generals, and other advisors have been presenting for decades. This Ukraine coup stuff started with GW in 2004, then HRC/Obama in 2014. We win for the number of coups. We are bigoted and intolerant of other cultures, and we will rape, rob, pillage and burn to save the village. I think USA has killed about 20-30 million since WWII. GW maybe 2 million.
When supreme war criminal Henry Kissinger says Ukraine should take the L and negotiate, you know Ukraine has no fucking chance to win.
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The war in Ukraine is over, the Russians are going to prevail, the patriotic fantasy that we stand with Ukraine no matter what is just that, it is a dream; it is over; it is done. Now the only matter left is how much damage our leaders will do worldwide to protect a small kleptocracy from a large kleptocracy and what price will our leaders make us pay to achieve their dangerous dream?
Read "Chapter 6: "Russia: The Failed Superpower" in "Disunited Nations" (2020) by Peter Zeihan. Russia is doomed anyway, and this stupid war will just accelerate its demise.
Chris Hedges would suggest that US Empire is collapsing, and that they can't continue to wage wars around the world and stage coups at the accelerated costly alarming rate we have since WWII. America is not great again, and never well be. In their attempt to dominate, police, and control the world and its resources while gutting its own infrastructure, Western hegemony and its unipolar vision navigated by arms makers, does not bode well for USA or the world. Even Kissinger knew better about Russia and post Cold War diplomacy than any of our corporate leaders. USA long ago missed any rights to claim a moral high ground.
I fully agree with you. This war will destroy the American domination and unilateral action against any and all Muslim Nations around the world. Simply, the American people seem to be dumb about what is really going on in this world today. The American people are brain-washed to an extent that the US and the West are the best people and all others, even while-skinned people are bad. I support Putin here in this war. Because, logic says that we will have to support the right people, Putin wanted to talk to the US/NATO/Ukraine 6 months before the invasion. The West are not interested thus this invasion. One cannot have a cake and eat it all the time. People still remember what the US/NATO did in Ukraine in 2014.
"Simply, the American people seem to be dumb about what is really going on in this world today."
You'd be dumb too if you were running for cover from this epidemic of mass shootings brought to America by the NRA and Russia's support of it.
Well good, it's all settled then, right? So why go on and on about it if you already know the outcome? Paradise, i.e. a world without America, is just around the corner. It will be such great fun. I simply can't wait for my new Chinese and Russian and Indian masters to take charge. I just know in my heart of hearts they will be not only different than my current American masters but in fact they will be magnanimous in every way.
BS
You jew Peter Zeihan is hoping his chapter 6 is correct. He is wrong. Pogroms are coming. Count on it.
Repeat in correct English, please.
Goodgodalmighty! WTF is wrong with these "erected" psychopaths?
The jewish banker media mob has dirt on all these politicians.
Manchin outs himself as Klaus Schwab loyalist, traitor to the United States of America.
Though in Manchins defence, he has been preventing the bigger tyrant, Brandon, from realising some of his terrible plans for America.
No defense for any traitor
Of course not, there are still Ukrainians that are alive. The rules are clear, until the last Ukrainian. I just hope they count Chyristia Freeland and Vicky Nuddleman among those to be thrown on the bonfire of vanity and profits.
Not to mention the armchair warriors here.
They can go risk their own necks if they care about Ukraine so much. But please stop trying to get the rest of us killed.
I can't stand chickenhawks.
Are you also a cat? Hard to sniff noses through a computer screen.
Yes, and even harder when you are wearing an underwater diving mask. :-)
The entire point of this proxy war is "regime change" in Russia, and the more unguarded neocons are talking about a Libyan or Yugoslav template.
There is no conceivable treaty that will give such people what they crave.
Libya is a template now? For what? Wholesale and wanton destruction of a country to steal its weapons and gold?
Pretty much. Read the neocon fantasizing.
Or for that matter, tell us when Obama and HRC will be in the dock at The Hague.
Ha I had a dream once that Dubya was arrested in France and taken to the Hague for trial. It was just devastating when I woke up and realized it hadn’t happened.
Too bad psychopathy can't be screened in a fetus. Of course they banned abortions,... just in case it can be in the future. Peace
Peace is not an option because this is a proxy war. The fault lies entirely on the West, its opportunistic politicians and supporters who try to construct this as an "illegal' war on Russia's part, while they are definitely, resolutely, brutally, without the shadow of a doubt, conducting an illegal war themselves.The Iron Age, and perhaps the more significant,
Age of irony.
What is disturbing are the enabling pundits, the men of quality, like Noam Chomsky, who allow the injustice of the predicament imposed on Russia by a West-controlled Ukraine, yet deny the legality of Russia's response. This makes no sense of the common sort, nor is it justified by International law, which allows self-defence as a legal premise for aggression: yes, you can defend yourself for Chrissake!
Does Russia have grounds? Few deny it, yet it was supposed to wait around for 20 years until the situation resolved itself? Until permission could be granted? The West was obviously not interested in a solution acceptable to Russia, and instead imposed its will in Maidan and its lack of will concerning the implementation of the Minsk Accords. This is an exaggerated parallel to the RC church insistence that an intolerable marriage be tolerated for 20 - 30 years until annulment is granted - on RCC terms. This is injustice with compound interest.
This war is the West's poisoned wedding cake, replete with drooling war-mongers, and military- industrial type exploiters and extortionists - topped off with wild-eyed war and apocalypse lovers.
This is not a war between Russia and Ukraine.
How can this even be considered a "proxy" war at a time when the US/UK/Germany/Poland are openly sending weapons and personnel into help the "brave" Nazis?
What Kissinger said at Davos is likely more indicative of where this is going next than what Manchin said.
It’s wild that we live in a world where KISSINGER!!! is advocating for peace.
Peace is sometimes a side-effect of pursuing material interests. Kissinger isn't stupid enough to deny that in this case since any serious and informed person can see it and after the NYT and Telegraph have already changed their tune in print. Manchin is.
Didn't he do it in Vietnam 73? Why is it always Kissinger anyway? He has been in charge since he got the job as a German/English translator for Allan Dulles in 45. How old is he now?
He's 98 years old, according to Ask Jimbo! (Wikipedia)
5 years older than Noam Chomsky.
OMG, thank you. I have been hoping that Kissinger would somehow be able to talk on Ukraine. FYI, he is 99 years old! I wish that Gorbachev's health was good enough to go public. Kissinger has been promoting NEUTRALITY since GW Bush was in office, maybe earlier.
It's true, Kissinger was the first to look deep into Putin's eyes and claim he had a pure and clean soul and that he was a good man.
It wasn't until recently I've come to realize Kissinger was a Soviet plant all along advising Nixon to further entrench in the quagmire that was Vietnam. Mohamed is right, Americans are so dumb about what is going on in the world and even at home under their noses. Kissinger, like Gladio after WWII, is part of the Soviet left-behind strategy. The Soviets didn't die, but rather have disguised themselves for the past three decades as capitalist pigs in order to bide their time and await the zeitgeist so they can rise again. The zeitgeist is now.
Yawn!
Sleep apnea will do that to you.
Quite a scramble and mash. Side note. Some early Cold Warriors made the shift during this Post USSR transition. Go figure. Maybe we should just stick to the US/NATO dream team. Our leaders work for the arms makers. Simple.
I agree, our "leaders" do work for the arms makers and that includes the weapons that are used for mass shootings right here in America that many in Glenn Greenwald's audience support. It is hypocritically ironical that these critics will decry weapons manufacturers when it comes to military ordinance used abroad but support the sale of military ordinance domestically so their sleeper cells can murder poor black people and elementary school hispanic children.
Whereas America's so-called "leaders" work for the arms dealers, in Russia the "leaders" are the arms dealers. Russia eliminated the middle man. It's much more efficient that way.
Not even the Soviets want anything to do with the communists in DC.
What communists in DC? We don’t even have nationalized healthcare!
What Soviets?
Just read that George Schlutz was leading the way for a peace time post USSR reduction in nukes. Henry writes about it on his website. I recall when Schultz turned anti nuke.
Post USSR, Kennan was so ready to MOVE ON and cooperate with the transition, etc.
Sure, why not? A two for one.
This was Kissinger's advice in 2014. He was very very displeased with HRC, and refused to endorse her in 2016, though, not sure, he might have come in the last day. Old Henry also gave this advice to GW about 7 years earlier. It is not much unlike many other sage advisors, many who are General and Colonels. https://www.henryakissinger.com/articles/how-the-ukraine-crisis-ends/
It's MONKEYPOX this week!!
Russia/Ukraine will continue unabated, old news.
M O N K E Y P O X
Thee dumbest pile of excrement to be blurted out of late. Monkeypox.
https://babylonbee.com/news/think-you-have-monkeypox-watch-for-these-ten-strange-symptoms
They're nearing their threshold of ideas. BabylonBee has some.
It's being renamed Faucipox. It was created from all the bullshit he's been throwing around for two years.
How quickly American politicians have forgotten the Cuban missile crisis. And, they don't seem to have the capacity to put themselves in the shoes of the Russians who are facing the exact same existential threat!
Madison Cawthorn hasn't forgotten considering he doesn't even know what the Cuban Missile Crisis is. You can't forget something you never knew. That being said, Dark Maga is the only thing that can stop this apocalyptic runaway train.
Meanwhile Putin publicly asked the Ukrainian military to take over the Ukrainian government. He is actually asking his official enemy to please take the country he is invading. I read a German translation of his speech in the anti-spiegel.
I thought Manchin was a good guy. I was wrong. Just as I was wrong about Cotton as well
The world better hope Russia wins this sickening war in Ukraine, because if they start to lose, what then? They are simply not going to use their bigger "man toy", "big dick" nuclear weapons?
I am not saying I side with Putin. Surely there were better ways to resolve the Ukraine issue instead of mass killing people. Putin is a mass killer. Not as bad as Stalin or George Bush, but he now joins their ranks.
Do people really understand what war is about? It's not some video game where if you get shot, you just restart in a new location.
When you kill people or when you get killed, that's it. It's over. Whatever you were is gone. Who knows where but you're gone from this planet. Maybe consciousness goes somewhere else, but no one really knows that for sure.
So it amazes me people are so willing to lose their lives in war. Like it was some kind of kids game. This game of killing people and you likely being killed yourself. And all for what? Just so your country can prove it's the 'good guys' and the other country are the 'bad guys'?
Putin had no options left, other than direct action.
The US installed their own man as president in 2014 and directly supported the mass bloodshed.
The US had ignored Putins attempts at diplomatic solutions and had run numerous bio weapons research labs near Russias borders.
Nato had expanded continually, despite assurances that they would not and were threatening to place missiles on Russias border.
Ukraine has murdered 14,000+ people in the Donbass since 2014 and were poised to commit genocide, having amassed between 60,000 and 100,000 troops on the borders of that region.
Troops that have been raping, torturing and murdering civilians for the last eight years.
The Ukraine media celebrated the burning to death of civilians in Odessa and has also called for the extermination of all Russian speaking Ukrainians.
If you want to talk about mass killings, then look at Azov, Bandera, Right Sector, Aidan, Kraken and the US government / CIA.
These fools can say whatever they want, Kissinger just dropped a bombshell at the WEF.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/kissinger-ukraine-should-give-up-territory-to-end-war-with-russia
He is getting trashed for it too. Funny, 3 months ago I was getting trashed for posting Kiss's advice on Ukraine from 2014. Now, hope is, though, this might empower others to come forward. Kiss is 99. I have to give him some credit here. Yes, I always referred to him as a war criminal. Remember Chris Hitchens book? Then what did Hitchens go and do?
Excellent summation of current events. Washington is full of sociopaths.