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Susan T's avatar

If any media publication decided to publish the names of all the children, way less than 19 years old, had been murdered by the IDF, they wouldn't have room to print anything else.

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Dx's avatar

Last month Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib presented a 649-page list to Congress documenting the Palestinians killed in Gaza by Israel. The first 14 pages (710 names) are children less than 1 year old:

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/tlaib-submits-names-of-children--israel--killed-in-gaza-to-c

And those are just the official numbers. How do you count or formally report those under rubble, vaporised or in bits?

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Kojo's avatar

Congress are soulless amoral ghouls. Straight to hell they will go - all off them,

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Dx's avatar

I don't know about the rest of them but Rashida Tlaib does not deserve that fate.

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I admire Rashida Tliab for her steadfast commitment to her people, the Palestinians. She, as far as I know, is the only one in Congress that sat holding a sign that said ‘War Criminal’ during Natanyhu’s despicable speech to Congress. She has a heart, a soul unlike most of her colleagues.😢☮️🇵🇸

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

If only that would happen! What is more important than facing up to the reality of what Western governments really are?

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Boozookee's avatar

Hi Susan T - I wouldn't trust the media on anything. Here is something I found. The numbers do not include after Oct 7, 2023 --

https://www.dci-palestine.org/child_fatalities_by_month

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Diane Engelhardt's avatar

And they wouldn't have enough paper on which to publish their pictures.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Washing dishes, I actually took a minute to remember Aaron Bushnell today and somehow felt some of the depth of how hard it must have been for him to witness all of this, and how prescient he was to see its sheer ugliness as it continues to careen down the slope to a wider war that could send us all to hell. Because as has happened for decades now, the US government serves not its citizens, but rather the needs of the ultrawealthy Zionist madmen in the world. How terribly pathetic.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

A sad and weak country, Vin, all of which could have been stopped by the world's #1 murderer, Biden.

Some rule should be established throughout the world that a person who would not be able to legally drive a car, who cannot walk in a straight line, who cannot even put two sentences together, cannot be a leader of a country of 330 million people while being told what to do by a barbaric race of religious zealots. "God's chosen people".

Not any God I know.

He finished up his career, if that's what it was, as the greatest liar unhung and soon to be replaced by someone with the same mindset. A follow on from Bush, Obama and Trump.

What a record. The United Mass Murderers of America.

An 18 year old asked yesterday if Biden is representative of the average American. I advised him in no uncertain terms and taking into consideration his youth, therefore with some respect, that he is not normal in any way, has values dictated by those who pull his strings and is history's greatest killer in the last 75 years. He could have stopped the killing, but didn't.

"The very opposite of all the Americans I have met in 50 years." was my conclusion.

"Where are those Americans you have met today" he asked, not really believing my answer.

"Sadly, they like all other Americans with be voting for one of two candidates, identical in every way. Now that would be of concern to them all, I do know that much. But America is a country where you buy your politicians and there is nothing to stop you from controlling the whole country as is the case right now. 86% of politicians are owned by Israel, the most hated state in history; yes, even more that Germany in WWII"

"How did he allow them to be killed".

We all know the answer to that one and now, so does he. Voting for the first time in his country with the same choices as in the USA.....two candidates from the two parties, identical in their corrupted values and both supporting both Israel and America and contributing as a now very weak US vassal state, one of so many around the world.

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Richard Parker's avatar

Nope.

I hold every single American equally responsible and complicit in genocide, murder, child slaughter.

You Americans are evil and disgusting.

There is not an American that doesn't believe in American supremacy and the right to dominate the planet.

It has been the same since the indigenous indians were slaughtered, the Africans enslaved and the constant wars that have raged around the world.

You are all hypocrites, willfully ignorant of the crimes against humanity you commit EVERY SINGLE MINUTE of every day.

YOU vote for the people in power, YOU pay to kill and destroy, YOU consider all other races inferior, YOU are responsible.

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Jane's avatar

Having lived in the USA for 40 years I’ve gotta say I never met one person (except my husband) with whom I could discuss the Palestinian cause, the need for a universal health care system, the evil of the US foreign policy, etc. Eyes would glaze over or I’d be attacked. Americans believe ardently in their exceptionalism, even the so-called progressives.

In my former community (a bastion of liberalism) there is a deathly silence about what Israel is doing to the Palestinians.

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Brian Hall's avatar

Pure fantasy to think and believe that you and a handful of friends you’ve met, are all that is left who morally oppose what is going on in the US and what is now global. You’re not wrong in much of what you say but I know hundreds who are in opposition to what is going on and in no way other than that which is forced, willingly support the Empire of Lies. You are not the remnant of a lost civilization. There are many many more of you.

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Brian Hall's avatar

Why would people who are opposed to censorship, the spy/surveillance state, global wars etc., vote for either candidate?

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Nic's avatar

I think this collective blame is dangerous, that’s exactly the way Israhell and Zionists are behaving with Palestinians, making you just as bad as them! I’m not in the US but our government in the UK are just as complicit and they do not represent me in any way.

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pretzelattack's avatar

i'm an american, i stopped voting about 25 years ago, i think the country is rotten to the core. I don't want to go out there alone throwing molotov cocktails, suicide with no point.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Collective guilt is wrong both morally and factually. That you can do it, for whatever reasons, should help give you some insight into the thinking of those who use collective guilt to go on to justify collective punishment.

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Jane's avatar

The USA has used collective guilt to justify all of its crimes against humanity. Japan, Vietnam, Iraq, Cuba, on and on. It’s what they do. It’s because Americans have never had to suffer collectively for the crimes of their govt that some here are outraged at that idea. That outrage is a form of American exceptionalism. Perhaps if Americans own up to their responsibility, they might rise up and revolt. I won’t hold my breath.

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martin's avatar

either way, it seems to be a strong unifier. 'collective responsability' sounds ok. those things are not easily found in a system where a minority leeches off the majority. one day 'usa, usa, usa !' and the next 'not my government'. (i refer again to southpark episode 100).

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Alistair P-M's avatar

The vast majority of Americans are victims of that same system, and the same goes for Britain, the country from which America took over the role of imperialist hegemon.

I understand your anger (I'm sure we all do) but there are many Americans who hate their ruling class as much as you do. The shitlibs who will rush to defend that ruling class because they believe the bourgeois propaganda, now THEY are deserving of scorn

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Jane's avatar

You are among a very small minority in the US if you speak out against the ruling class.

The Brits are not victims either. They mostly support the imperialism their country’s wealth was built on. But they’re not as impoverished as Americans. At least they have universal healthcare (even though it’s being eroded it still exists) and more than 2 awful parties to vote for.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Britons are much poorer than Americans, the NHS notwithstanding.

If you are familar with the body of artistic compositions known as "Looney Tunes", you may be aware of a small yappy dog that follows Spike The Bulldog around, singing Spike's praises, getting slapped around by Spike, and getting Spike into stupid fights.

The UK is that little yappy dog.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

You obviously have not seen the 400 thousand plus protesters who Dr. Jill STEIN addresses! I don't know where you are getting you info from but it is Wrong! 86% of Americans want an end to Ukraine funding. 60% want an end to Israel. The creatures in our government as in the UK are our enemies also! They do not give a shit about us and they are actively destroying our countries!

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

Go fuck yourself🖕I didn't choose this. I don't want my tax dollars paying for this. I'm speaking out against it. Sweeping generalizations suck.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I would like to add one more statement to this post in that I myself grew up between and with 2 different tribes of North American Indians the Cherokee and the Cheyenne. I have loved these people my whole life and I know first hand the abuse this fucking government and many citizens have imposed on them. From when riding in my friends car constantly being pulled over because of his race which did not happen with my car because of mine. All the way to every time there is a toxic fucking pipeline to be run these motherfuckers always put them through tribal lands even protected spiritual lands! I hate these motherfuckers with every breath I take and between crying at 3 in the morning to fierce anger at noon I can tell you I WILL NEVER STOP FIGHTING THIS EVIL UNTIL MY LAST BREATH!

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Feral Finster's avatar

I understand the sentiment, but I did not vote for these people, and I am well aware of their crimes.

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Alan's avatar

Not all Americans believe in American supremacy. We are few and far between but we exist. Many of us like me have long left the USA but remain stuck with the citizenship.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

You obviously have never met an American. Anger is destroying your reasoning. There are many of us who have done everything possible to get rid of the creatures inhabiting the government. You can only understand how this happens by viewing the corruption itself. Zionist are the enemy of the world. Always have been. They have created the perfect storm. How 41%+ of the US are some form of Christian Zealot who have effectively been transformed into Zionist not even knowing it was done to them! For this reason it is difficult to even have an "Armed" resistance to this evil in DC because they would fight for their masters the Zionist Nazi politicians. The proper solution is to wipe out DC all in one go with every last Zionist Nazi piece of shit there at the same time! This has always been the problem the citizens suffer and get punished while the government is fat and untouched! Get the snakes head not the body!

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Antiwar.com, Veterans against war, over 1 mile of protesters surrounded the capital etc. KNOW YOUR ENEMY!

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pretzelattack's avatar

yeah, protests dont do shit. Jill Stein will get millions of votes when she loses, and the fascists will still be in power, but a new generation of sheepdogs will arise to keep a lid on the simmering fury many ordinary middle class americans (the poor are too caught up in daily dramas arising from poverty and working mulitple jobs and voting has never worked for them anyway) feel as they gradually sink. my prediction is there will either be an external intervention, which the maniacs will respond to by nuking the world, or an internal uprising. general strikes to my limited knowledge would be more difficult and less likely to happen than multiple people going off in multiple states (think Aaron Bushnells without his amazing idealism, and fueled by rage) setting off a conflagration--the powers that be have been spreading fire accelerants on the ground for decades. true to form, they are ramping that up too, even as they start wars they can't win with nuclear powers who are trying to mind their own business peacefully--China, and yes, Russia. I don't know if Iran has nukes yet or not, but that is a war the US would need nukes to win anyway, and Russia and China would automatically be on Iran's side in that, knowing they were next.

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Mike Fish's avatar

My brother Occi, I don’t think that Loooool is at all helpful.

For me “everything possible” includes self immolation or assassination.

Suicide by pig.

I’m still too timid to light myself on fire.

But, there’s a local US house rep who could easily sport a bullseye.

But, it’s not a simple matter: taking a life.

Shouldn’t be…..ever.

Self defense in the face of imminent harm is one thing.

Hunting a fellow human, even an inhuman one, is a whole other matter.

I’m not Israeli, so killing doesn’t come easy to me.

While I experience severe pain each and everyday, the idea of being on fire is still too frightening for me.

When I think about a heroic death, I think about Rachel Corrie.

I know that you’re angry.

I’m angry, and sad, and half crazy with grief, myself.

We need an army.

Flying solo ain’t gonna get it done.

If what Bushnell did didn’t move the needle, I don’t see how anybody going it alone can.

To quote that cocksuckin’ cretin, creep, Clinton, “I feel your pain.”

I wish I could make it go away.

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Mike Fish's avatar

You talk like a stinkin’ fuckin’ Israeli.

“All Palestinians are Hamas.”

“All Muricans are terrorists.”

Go fuck yourself, ignorant son of a bitch.

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Jane's avatar

The truth hurts I guess. Americans support their terrorist govt. Otherwise they would do something to end its warmongering. Remember how Germany was treated after both world wars? The Allied view was that all Germans deserved to suffer. That’s what wars and sanctions do. Collective punishment. Americans have not been on the receiving end, yet.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

You don't get it at all! The government in the US IS AN ILLEGAL ONE! They have violated so many of Us laws and Constitutional laws beyond the international laws that they are completely illegal. The problem is that the Filthy fucking traitors in the judicial system would punish anyone who went up against these filthy fucking Zionist Nazis like they did to Julian.

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russian_bot's avatar

"You don't get it at all!" - how so? In less than a month you will see Americans flock to elect their "illegal" government. Who makes them do it? How does it square with the polling numbers you supplied earlier?

Maybe they say one thing and do (vote for) another. That doesn't absolve them from responsibility.

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Too much work's avatar

Don't blame us, we were born that way, it's in our genes; you wouldn't blame a man for being gay; would you? It's in his genes, he can't help it. You wouldn't blame someone for having dark skin; would you? It's in their genes; same way with us; we're just a bunch of innocent, shit people, we can't help it; please understand, help us and love us; it's not our fault that we were born this way.

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Dean's avatar

LOL

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

I mailed my ballot yesterday for Dr.Jill Stein. Here’s hoping there are millions who do the same.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Pray to St. Aaron for the strength to take out these madmen before they destroy us all.

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Mike Fish's avatar

I wasn’t going to retype this lost reply, but your arrogance and ignorance compelled me.

The truth is, bitch, that if you couldn’t find any pro Palestinian Americans in forty years, you weren’t looking for any.

So what have you done in your forty years to improve the lives of Palestinians???

I’ll need to see receipts.

You’re flappin’ lips don’t mean shit.

All Americans are shit huh???

Have you ever heard of Aaron Bushnell, and what he did???

He isn’t the only one.

But, all Americans are shit, right bitch???

If you wanted to find some americans to discuss Palestine with, did it ever occur to you to visit a college campus???

I’m not going to defend the United Snakes.

I hate this motherfucking country.

But, I’m also not going to keep quiet when some cunt named Jane, defames me and my name, because she’s too lazy and lame to go look for the good and well as the bad.

As much as I despise Israel, I won’t say that all Jews are bastards.

If one does that in Caitlin Johnstone land, one gets banned.

But, apparently you can say that all Americans are shit, and that’s fine and dandy.

Seems like one step shy of saying kill all the Americans.

Where have I heard that kind of nonsense before???

Was it kill all the Jews???

Exterminate all the brutes???

The only good injun is a dead injun???

You oughta be ashamed, Jane.

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russian_bot's avatar

"You oughta be ashamed, Jane." - and what does Vin have to do with it? Don't comment until pills wear off.

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Mike Fish's avatar

Well, you managed to figure it out.

Maybe Vin kin also.

Don’t you worry about my fuckin’ meds.

You have no clue _bot.

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russian_bot's avatar

"You have no clue _bot." - you have them sprayed all over, fish. only the blind wouldn't notice.

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Mike Fish's avatar

Lotsa degenerates around, macular and otherwise.

Like I said, you have no clue _bot.

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russian_bot's avatar

be someone important fish, mysterious even.

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Mike Fish's avatar

Frankly, my answer to the question(s) is no.

Let’s face facts.

Gaza is gone.

This nonstop bloodbath has gone on unabated for over a year straight.

With the exception of the heroic Yemeni, the people of the earth have generally treated this genocide like a spectator sport.

But, I’m not going to defame the names of the righteous, the same as the rotten.

That’s not right, and not productive.

I look back at how long the genocide of the American Indians has been going on now.

They aren’t completely dead and gone, yet.

But, the effort is being made to breed the red man out of existence, so there is no one left to reclaim their stolen land.

I imagine that the same will be done to the surviving Palestinians.

The ones that aren’t murdered will be bred out of existence.

No living Palestinians means no Palestine.

You and I will probably be dead and buried by the time that they finish the crime.

Sorry Occi.

I wish that I could be more optimistic.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Y'know, I was desperately trying to stay out of this long thread because there's far too much ad-hominem merda in it for my liking. But as I was out in front of my house just now, watering and picking up the (daily) discarded soft drink containers that to me are a good representation of the deterioration of this society into utter mediocrity, my neighbor -- with his Harris/Walz yard signs asked me why I wasn't displaying any. I told him that I was voting against war, for Jill -- not the a-holes supporting genocide and the effing Zionist lunatics in Israel and the Biden/Harris administration.

This led to his rap about "Hamas terrorists".

"Jesus H, they're a guerilla movement trying to free themselves from a brutal illegal occupying force," I said. "Would you have condemned Sitting Bull and Geronimo for trying to kick the US cavalry off their land, for killing buffalo for sport? Condemn the Vietcong for opposing the US invasion of their country?" Since he's my neighbor, I shut my mouth before I screamed "wake the fuck up".

But alas, I do not think he heard me. That's one big fucking trouble in Amerika --- educational system failing to produce an adequate mass of critical thinkers who can, on their own, make the key connections that inform a genuine understanding of the arc of history, especially where it concerns their limited understanding of this country's crimes, which might threaten the easy casualness of their daily life. That's not a condemnation of every American, but there are so so many institutions within the society that are irretrievably corrupted. Why? Long story of perhaps good intentions gone awry. Or maybe more sinister than that; I'm no guru and can't make any more definitive statements without being a presumptuous a-hole --- which I'm trying hard to avoid. But thanks to everyone for the discussion. And once again, bless you Aaron Bushnell, you brave American soul.

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Mike Fish's avatar

Sorry about my misdirected reply, Vin.

My neighbor on my right is a bubble headed Harris/Walz bimbo, in her eighties.

We can agree on the disgusting nature of trump.

But, when I loathe the democrats, she can’t handle that.

I appreciate all of the Kamala and Trump placards.

Makes it easier to locate idiots/adversaries/enemies.

I’ve been flying a Palestinian flag day and night for five years now.

It doesn’t inspire any conversation on the part of the observers.

But, I’ve got a somewhat aggressive attitude, so the subject continually comes up anyway.

Thought I was gonna have to fight a motherfucker the other day.

People don’t appreciate or approve of the various Palestine media that I send their way.

I’m accused of hurting people by showing them the reality of the day.

I may not change any hearts and/or minds.

But, I’m not going to allow anyone to go along on their merry way, while kids are being blow away, and burnt up/down and out.

I could use a neighbor like you, Vin.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Thanks. Likewise. I have only one like-minded couple around the block, who are my close friends; otherwise, this neighborhood, like the state of NM itself is revoltingly deep blue, so as usual in this absurd electoral system, my vote has essentially no impact other than its meaningfulness to me.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

AND I COULD USE ONE SUCH AS YOURSELF!

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Mike Fish's avatar

Bless brave Aaron Bushnell AND Matt Nelson in Boston, AND Jane Doe in Atlanta.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

I am so sick of this biased media coverage. It's so racist and colonialist. Just sickening.

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Feral Finster's avatar

The MSM are but Renaissance courtiers without the colorful getups, and they know full well what "reporting" will get you awards, plum assignments and "off the record" talks with The Great And Good, and what sorts of reporting will get you assinged to cover allegations of corruption in bidding out latrines in Alaska or conversations about your next career.

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Patricia Blair's avatar

The utter evil of it all. Caitlin puts into words in a way that most can’t or won’t. I’m glad that I have a conscience., and I am going to vote accordingly, I’m going to protest and keep protesting to destroy this evil!

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Climate change is REAL. So, yes. Connect the dots... https://therevolutioncontinues.substack.com/p/connect-the-dots

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You'd rather believe some Bond villain shit than believe that warmer oceans cause more violent storms?

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2024/09/four-ways-climate-change-likely-made-hurricane-helene-worse/

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CarbonCopy's avatar

And did you bother to follow the money? Who paid for those "peer reviews"? Take one look at the drastic increase in Carbon emissions! The highest ever in millions of years of data!

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pretzelattack's avatar

0. all you are doing is spouting oil company propaganda, spun by some of the biggest war criminals on the planet. you've been played, sucker.

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Will Burke's avatar

Do they even teach science in the US?

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Oh Geez, the stories I could tell you. For about 10 years, early 90s, a chemist colleague and I did an integrated physical-biological science curriculum for college freshmen, and what it revealed about their underlying misconceptions was stunning. Then we tried to work with some HS science teachers, and the resistance to natural science integration (as though the fundamental principles shouldn't apply across them) was a further stunning indicator of why the standard US HS-educated American is in deep caca when it comes to genuine science ed.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

HaHa - well said!

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W.F.Miloglav's avatar

Reminds of how one week during the Vietnam war Life magazine published the photos of all 500 or so US military who were killed that week over there. Meanwhile probably twice that number of Vietnamese civilians were killed by US bombing and other means in about the same time period with no mention. They were just "gooks" disposed of in "Injun country." More things change more they stay same.

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Death Watch Beetle's avatar

No mention in the press that I could see that these four Israeli "boys"were sergeants in the unit that committed some of the worst war crimes/atrocities in Gaza.

Don't feel sorry for them!

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Feral Finster's avatar

Even if they were mere toilet moppers, I wish only that the casulaty list were longer.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Some folks would wave their finger at you and bellow: " vengeance is mine saith the lord". But y'know, after a year of this shit, of these fucking zionist subhumans, I'd have to opine that your wish is justified.

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Dx's avatar

The clip from Sky News that names them included their military rank. All were Sergeant Zionist Zioniski. (I'm not going to taint myself by typing their names and giving them any more publicity).

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andy tonti's avatar

I can’t conceive of the US hegemon and its complicit vassal West to ever, ever, be forgiven for its criminal partnership with a Zionist terror state . Brothers and sisters of the godly faithful can never forget or let the world forget what is happening here, and pursue these criminals into war crimes tribunals , empowering the justice system to confront the lawfare methods of the West in opposing this retribution!!

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CarbonCopy's avatar

That's a big part of the problem! The judicial system is TOTALLY CORRUPTED! The Joint Chief of Staff and his cronies are TOTALLY CORRUPT! If the military had done its' duty June 8th 1967 LBJ and every single enemy agent from the Terrorist State of Israel would have faced the firing squad! Now the entirety of the US government with few exceptions should be put to that firing squad as they are the enemy.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

“This is what our ruling class has decided will be normal.”

This is why our ruling class is NOT normal. They are psychopaths/sociopaths. This is why we need to lock them up immediately and get the ICJ/ICC to put them on trial for their war crimes.

We can't wait any longer. It's been over a year now and we're still allowing them to genocide the Palestinians. Who's next? It could be YOU and YOURS. Don't think our psychotic ruling class isn't planning many more such actions in the near future. It's time to organize and tear the system down.

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The headline called the 23 Palestinians killed - burned alive and subjected to the explosive force and fragmentation of US made bombs - "People"... It's a Yom Kippur MIRACLE... Their humanity has been acknowledged, in death, in a way that no true Zionist would EVER have acknowledged it, in life... Of course it makes no reference to their ages... And half of Gaza are Children, or at least - were. So just going by averages, while the 4 Zionist ADULT soldiers, in the headline were called "teenagers" - the headline could have been that at least 12 Children and 11 adult Palestinians were massacred in a civilian shelter setting - by the Zionist Entity.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/oct/14/anti-zionist-beliefs-worthy-respect-uk-tribunal-finds-israel

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US Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib recently pointed out in testimony before the House that the Gaza Ministry of Health has released a 649-page document listing the names, where

Identified, of everyone killed by the Israelis. Of these, the first 14 pages list the names of babies under the age of one slaughtered by Israel - that's 710 babies the Israeli government has murdered with complete and willing help and encouragement from America.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=itQPYApxinU

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Gavin Farrell's avatar

"Worthy victims" and "unworthy" victims. Chomsky is tricky, but his usage of these terms to describe different media treatment was spot on.

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Sam's avatar

OMFG…. the bastards!

"Israel has not commented 'but' regularly accuses Hamas operatives of concealing themselves in school buildings - claims the group denies."

I’m so effing sick of this sentence. For gawd’s sake you cretins they’re all stuck in an open air prison…where do you want them to hide?

And in case you haven’t noticed, Israel has its troops walking among civilians everywhere and builds its buildings in people’s neighborhoods.

I just hope that if the world ever has another Nuremberg that a lot of media cretins will be in the dock.

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Lisa Dixon's avatar

Except International law doesn’t seem to apply to the US and Israel

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John Day MD's avatar

Thank you, Sister Caitlin, for calling out and countering the mind-manipulation that seduces nice people into supporting slaughter far away.

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Whatistobedone's avatar

"Nice" people? I think not...

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Luke's avatar

Not a day goes by where I don’t wake up and wish to see Israel and/or the US (my country) get their shit shoved in. We would all love to see a scene play out where one or both of these bullies gets punched square in the face. After they stagger about or maybe even fall down, they get back up with their tail between their leg and repent. “I’m sorry I have learned my lesson” they would say.

But it doesn’t work like that. Nor will it happen like that. The entire Western Hegemonic system has been built on a house of cards. If they lose their aura of supremacy (economically or militarily) the house crumbles. And it will crumble exactly as you would expect a house made of cards to fall. This would create a global seismic shift in the world order perhaps greater than any world war in history. Disease, famine, starvation, and death as described by the book of revelations.

Please understand something, I am NOT trying to talk anyone out of feeling this way. Hell, I’m all in. I know that me, friends, family are going to all lose. But I also don’t believe we deserve to win anymore. Not for the sake of humanity at least.

We must force a fight NOW. Not overseas but here within our own framework of Western Civilization. This is what I have been trying to say.

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I am fully with you in this respect. I have enough to survive for at the very least 5 years. Not in luxury by any means but to survive nonetheless. I am all in on destroying this government completely and let the whole thing collapse. They are actively destroying everything that was this country anyway and if that's what it takes to stop these evil creatures from harming another Palestinian baby or another human anywhere so be it. I will suffer whatever little amount that it compares to what the other people have had to suffer from this Zionist Nazi Terrorist HORDE!

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Luke's avatar

You see clearly my friend. My intention was to warn others that when this thing goes down a beautiful peaceful flower will not readily emerge in its place. That will need to be earned the old fashioned way I assume. Lots of strife in the order of blood, sweat, and tears.

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russian_bot's avatar

Everything Caitlin described equally applies to Russia/Ukraine coverage.

As these two are at the forefront of the world happenings they are most noticeable for those paying attention. But the principle is the same for "smaller" happenings. The western media is lies, lies, and more lies. About anything it can get away with.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

There is significant difference between Russia/Ukraine coverage and Israel/Palestine coverage.

Russia/Ukraine = white on white violence/war

Israel/Palestine = white on non-white violence/war (i.e. racist element)

- Russians, Ukrainians, and Israelis are considered HUMAN, while Palestinians are considered SUB-HUMAN.

- Russia/Ukraine is NOT a genocide, while Israel/Palestine IS.

- Russia/Ukraine propaganda/lies are limited in scope (i.e. against Russians only), whereas the propaganda & lies are much more extensive when it comes to Israel/Palestine (includes propaganda/lies against MANY Muslim nations - Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran)

These are just some of the many factors that are different in the coverage & propaganda of the two conflicts.

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El dragon's avatar

Westerners have visceral hatred of the Russians. Particularly the U.K. elite. In the words of one of the retired U.S. generals recently, they are "animals." What do you think the Anglo-Saxon would like to do to the "animals?"

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russian_bot's avatar

"Westerners have visceral hatred of the Russians" - to deny this is to be extremely ignorant or knowingly manipulative.

Also, Israel's role in creating current Ukraine's climate, its Nazi ideology of supremacy, is well-known. Israel's support of Ukraine is well-known. Ukraine's aspirations to become like Israel are well-known. There are parallels so obvious that only a complete moron would not see them. Or an operative would claim as non-existent.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Are you seriously comparing hatred against Russians with hatred against colored people (especially in the Middle-East) ? Are you comparing hatred against Russians with the Islamophobia in the West (including in Russia)?

You need a reality check...

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El dragon's avatar

"Islamophobia" in Russia, when Chechen fighters and their leaders are at the forefront of the SMO. Why do you think the Global South overwhelmingly supports Russia? Because the War in the M.E. and the proxy war against Russia are inseparable.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"Because the War in the M.E. and the proxy war against Russia are inseparable."

Nope, they are two different vectors of US Empire global capitalism and imperialism. Ever since I can remember, there has ALWAYS been conflict between the US and Russia (later Soviet Unioin, then Russia again). Again - this is white-on-white territory. When it comes to the Middle-East or China or India or Africa or South America, etc. - the dynamics change. A racial element is added.

The Global South is against the US Empire. Since Russia is also against the US Empire, Russia and the Global South are aligned for the moment against a common enemy.

Do you even know enough MENA (Middle East North Africa) history? Do you know Russia's history of imperialism and colonialism efforts in the MENA?

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El dragon's avatar

The Soviet Union was actively supporting all anti-colonial freedom movements throughout Africa, ME, and Asia. If you are talking about the Imperial Russia of the 1800's, remember they got defeated in World War I and finally in the Civil War of 1917. Every country has skeletons in their closets. We are talking about belligerent parties at this moment. 

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russian_bot's avatar

"Ever since I can remember, there has ALWAYS been conflict between the US and Russia" - since when would it be? are you claiming to be a 500-yr old mohel like orestes vasquez DBA crumpledforeskin freak?

what was it like in 1800s? what do you know about Russian Alaska and Russian California? About Russia's support of the US founding?

what a fucking blowhard you are chokaski.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

What does the acronym SMO stand for?

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El dragon's avatar

Special Military Operation

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russian_bot's avatar

what the fuck are you babbling about?

are you familiar with ukrainians' treatment of donbass people (russians and ukrainians)? do you know terminology? do you know the dishes served in kiev restaurants "made of" internals of "colorados" as they call donbass people? among many other dehumanizing terms like orks etc?

do you speak/read russian, ignoramus dimwit chokaski?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

russian_bot -> as I've said before, you are a One-Trick Russian-Pony™ who wouldn't even be on this substack were it not for Russia. Obviously, you are incapable of having a conversation without ad-hominem attacks.

Treatment of Russians by Ukrainians AND treatment of Ukrainians by Russians (yes, it goes BOTH ways) pales in comparison to the treatment of Palestinians, Arabs, and other Muslims by Israelis.

If you don't see a difference, then I'm afraid you aren't looking hard enough.

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russian_bot's avatar

"AND treatment of Ukrainians by Russians (yes, it goes BOTH ways)" - what the fuck are you babbling about again?

spreading western propaganda and shilling for the establishment. not the first time chokaski. not saying you do it necessarily on purpose, just from being stupid.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Again, you seem to be a One-Trick Russian-Pony™. Do you think that Ukrainians have also not been discriminated against by Russians at all? Do you think only Russians have been discriminated against? There has been bad-blood between the two ethnically-close people for centuries. Discrimination is bound to run both ways over such a long period of time. If you think it's ONLY a one-way thing then you are as biased as the American point of view (except in reverse).

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russian_bot's avatar

next thing you're going to bring up is "holodomor".

shilling for the western establishment chokaski. not the first time.

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russian_bot's avatar

you've shown yourself an ignorant buffoon chokaski as soon as you appeared here not long after you created your substack account. you deserve all the mocking you get and this is the latest one where you stepped into it.

As to the genocide in Donbass - this is Putin long after it's been talked about by all since 2014. He was forced to state it publicly on Jan 26, 2024: https://www.rt.com/russia/591346-ukraine-genocide-donbass-putin/

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Again, if you don't see a difference between the treatment of Russians/Ukrainians (whites) and the treatment of non-whites by Israel, then you aren't looking hard enough.

The difference is so huge that it is impossible to miss (unless of course one is incredibly biased and has multiple blind-spots). Simply looking at the media coverage is enough for anyone to understand this.

Also, why do you bring up Russia here when the focus is on Israel/Palestine? Like I said before, you are a One-Trick Russian-Pony™.

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russian_bot's avatar

pighead up to 11, that's chokaski goto mode when it's left with nothing to say on substance.

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Sam's avatar

And yet she’s writing on a certain topic. Do you have anything to say about it?

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russian_bot's avatar

and you are who again?

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russian_bot's avatar

who's stopping you? and who made you cop here along with sammy and that chokaski freak?

for starters, the three of you should subscribe properly rather than freeload, and even then keep your stinking noses out of others' business of what to comment about or not.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

for starters, maybe you should leave this substack instead of costing Caitlin free and paid subscribers (by your persistent toxic behavior against them and thus causing them to leave).

Go join some Russian substack (as that is what you're all about anyways Mr. One-Trick Russian-Pony™).

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russian_bot's avatar

"thus causing them to leave" - who and when left Caitlin's substack because of me, names and dates, ¡pronto!

"costing Caitlin free and paid subscribers" - who were free, who were paid, names and dates, ¡pronto!

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"costing Caitlin free and paid subscribers" - what did you eat to brainfart this? "thus causing them to leave" - whom? when?

the size of your ass chokaski to blow this much air. besides, stick to lording over your own substack pequeño chokaski. leave others' alone.

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Bruno's avatar

Just despicable. Great reporting

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