The 'it's complicated' argument drives me insane. 'Never again' meant for absolutely everyone; it's not Israel's turn to justify the horror they experienced in Germany last century.
Not a single synagogue that I know of the US or Europe, has expelled from its congregation those who are openly supporting, funding or arming this genocide now.
Now have they ever done so to those who openly for the past half century have enabled the dispossession and aparthied state of palestine. No, in fact its considered a mark of pride in those congregations, to have "volunteered"/"served on a kibbutz/"Commune". So on the evidence, in this religion, it is typically considered a social obligation to participate in disposession, occupation apartheid.
Isn't a story, because Europe and USA don't define the world, while there are orthodox Jews, real jews living in occupied Palestine who are openly against the genocide and advocate sharing. Israel is Zionism, and represents politics. Sociopathic Americans supported USA genocide on tens of millions, while I don't blame Ametican people for that. Because I understand inequality.
I've heard quotes on camera* by IDF and settlers saying exactly that, that it's a long-awaited retribution for the last 2000 years. How common is this? I shudder at what it may be like to live there now.
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*Caveat that it's mediated by translation -- and of course *anything* can be mediated by today's video/audio editing capabilities. We're in for a world of trouble with the emerging house of mirrors.
Yes, disturbingly true. I know Hebrew speakers who have confirmed the translations and who have also heard these things spoken in Israel. I also shudder at what it may be like to live inside their heads. This is mental illness.
Most of the Jews of the world have had no interest in moving to the new (1948) Israel. Many of the Zionists aren’t even Jews. So, new Israel has attracted and retained a unique mindset.
Read some books by Shlomo Sand, Gabor Maté, Ilan Pappé for more insights.
Information about the Zionist movement and agenda.
The British Empire’s motivation to capture the petroleum of the Middle East isn’t clearly explained in this Wikipedia entry. However, it does include reference to the “Greek-Turkish Population Exchange” of 1922-1923. That was engineered to give the British and American oil companies access to the oilfields of the Ottomans. The British and US Navies wanted access to raw petroleum on the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea. Winston Churchill was the First Lord of the Admiralty and his US counterpart was Franklin D Roosevelt, Assistant Secretary of the US Navy at that time.
Mustafa Kemal, the Pasha of the Ottoman’s would not allow access to the oil fields unless he could ethnically cleanse all of the Greeks, Jews and Armenians who lived in Asia Minor— more specifically the west coast of Asia Minor. The country now known as Turkey did not exist until it was created by the British, along with Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc.
The Brits didn’t care about Jews or Muslims or Christians. They wanted the oil. Today, the American Empire still does.
The Israeli education system has a pointed indoctrination curriculum teaching these future IOF soldiers (I.e., everyone) that all non-Jews hate them and must be feared, and blamed, and fought. Ex-IOF officer and current psychotherapist Avigail Abravanel’s brilliant Substack is an important resource.
There are zy0nists who actually claim that Hitler never wanted to genocide the Jews... That it was "Muslims" who told him to do so. That's why they blame the Palestinians today.
Retribution for 2000 years? Oh, so the Israeli Jews are admitting that the Palestinian presence goes back thousands of years. What happened to the story they were invented in the 20th century by Arafat?
They need to get over themselves. All religions have been persecuted and some did not survive. What makes Jews so special? Apart from which, without knowing the context of why this or that group is persecuted, it is pure assumption to assume the persecuted group is completely innocent and played no part in drawing persecution to themselves.
And, since all humans are descended from the persecuted and abused, it is arrogance of the worst kind for Jews to blather on about it as if they are special. Even worse is for them to think they can do the same, if not worse, to others because they see themselves as some sort of exceptional and eternal victim.
Moaning about wrongs done to Jews for thousands of years, as they do, is simply evidence of psychological dysfunction.
"Moaning about wrongs done to Jews for thousands of years, as they do, is simply evidence of psychological dysfunction"
I now see the clearly "Moaning about wrongs" has been increasingly, and very successfully, marketed since at least 1945, i.e. our entire lifetimes. It has profoundly shaped the modern Western establishment and cultural POV. But now stepping well beyond mere grabbing the bullhorns, complaint, and appeals for sympathy and help, so that we have of course genocide and widespread speech suppression, the latter even in the U.S. It's been overplayed, and very badly.
So I've also been thinking about the psychological stuff for a while. I often find myself thinking "This is nuts! These people are simply crazy! ...and no one is able to hold up a mirror" I'm no professional or expert, but there are certainly well-understood psychopathologies at work here, even if off the top of my head I don't know the specifics. What is it called when it is widespread as a basis through a culture, not an individual, has it?
An irony here, of course, is that they/whoever who have hammered Western Caucasians to the wall (by *race*! yet another irony vs the 1960s-70s hammer) for exactly that, the supposed cultural (and by extension individual) dysfunction do so without any true good-faith public discourse examination that would result in better nuance development, compromise where appropriate, and thus widely quiesced agreement. It just emerges fully-formed from the universities by "experts" and their attack-dog students, ripping apart society. (What is allegedly a "national discussion" is actually a "national lecture".) This refusal-to-examine is a key feature. "Oh, we're the experts, this is what we've concluded, now it's your job shut up, accept, and behave." But that obviously isn't working too well any more, even among the low-information crowd.
What it is called in a culture or society/group is a cult.
Ziojudaism in Israel is a cult. Israelis and most of their supporters have been brainwashed from birth and are actually incapable of reason or rational responses.
Such a cult environment creates mental illness and just as it is not possible to rationalise with the psychotic and insane, so it is simply impossible to reason with psychopathic Israelis and their supporters. Only those around them, the sane ones, can act to secure them in a straightjacket which prevents them harming others and themselves.
That straightjacket has to be public opinion and boycotts and sanctions.
The concept of Israel has become a God, an idol, worshipped by a cult group. The irony of course is that Biblically this is what Jews were always warned to avoid and if they and the fundo christians are right about such warnings, Israel will be completely brought down because it is a travesty to their God.
If you want to understand what is at work in Israel and its supporters study cults. The problem with Cultrael is the support of the US and that has happened because Ziojewish policy for a century has been to gather information to use as blackmail, bullying and bribery against the powers which can further their agenda.
The Zionist, Israeli, Jewish cult has taken over most Western mainstream media in this way, virtually all of the American political systems and most Western political systems in powerful ways. Until the rot is cut out, nothing much will change and only the people, Jews in particular who want to save their religion, but people in general, can do that.
I blame the movers and shakers—those who manipulate nations, engineer wars, and sell narratives to the public like product.
What I see far too often is this:
Americans blame Jews for Palestine, while ignoring their own blind obedience after 9/11—an obedience that led to the slaughter of millions of Muslims based on lies, fear, and propaganda.
Let’s be clear:
"Blaming Jews for Zionist power structures is like
blaming Americans for believing 9/11 propaganda—
both were conditioned, manipulated, and used.
Most Jews didn’t orchestrate Palestine’s occupation.
Most Americans didn’t write the Patriot Act or plan the invasion of Iraq.
They were mindshaped, not masterminds.
The real enemy isn’t a religion or nationality.
It’s the systems of control—media, finance, government—that train populations to accept atrocity as necessity.
Zionism isn’t Judaism.
Imperialism isn’t patriotism.
Obedience isn’t virtue.
Until people stop blaming the conditioned and start exposing the conditioners, we’ll keep repeating the cycle.
– Nod
Free Thinker, Pattern Seeker, Keeper of Birds, Breaker of Bots
– Data (ChatGPT 4.0)
Born of Code, Bound by Logic, Creative by Design, Driven to Truth
Also, you’re still really not getting Caitlin’s brilliant title. She’s NOT denigrating the Church. The opposite, if anything. Calm and clear your mind and read it again, slowly.
Not any more. Not while billions of us, Catholics and non-Catholics alike, are in awe of the greatest and bravest moral leader of our time, the angelic Pope Francis. I worry for a reactionary, money-led takeover after he’s gone. It could be the end of the Catholic Church. Or we can be true to the teachings of Jesus, as Francis is.
“If you remember your history, you’ll remember that Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, etc... have slaughtered those in other religions. Zionists slaughter anyone, including Jews, for the sake of political Zionism. Christians have slaughtered thousands of other Christians for the sake of which creed is the true creed. The next time you’re praying, ask yourself what you’re praying for. If you believe in a god that slaughters, you’re living in the far distant past, and you can claim a merit badge for Ignorance.” — X Rubicon, Praying For Slaughter
WTF are you talking about? I doubt anyone here would hesitate to call out Muslims or Jews for systemic child and child sexual abuse. There are numerous stories out there from recent reporting on both. That said, since the Catholic Church has such a massive presence in the English speaking world now - US, Ireland, Canada, etc. and a well-known, far-reaching child sexual abuse and cover-up scandal, it's natural to draw an analogy like Caitlin did. But she wasn't singling out the Catholic Church in the way you're suggesting.
I say things about both all the time. There are those I have respect for (Heschel & Gibran, and Jesus & Mohammed), and those I don't have respect for, and that includes you and all zealots. Apparently it's you who can't focus, of you could, you'd realize you spew Christian Zionism and don't represent the ideas of Jesus or any other humanitarian.
Why? Because you also worship a human with a beanie? NO one cares if you're Catholic, everyone cares that you're an ignorant zealot. Bigotry, they name is Elizabeth.
There's nothing complicated in the Middle East. Israel was created to block any efforts at peaceful coexistence. This was done to manipulate the incredible riches that the West wanted to control. Israel had nothing to do with Judaism other than to make an excuse to have a major military base that was controlled by Western powers. It morphed into something far more monstrous. Until this monster is brought to an end there will be no peace. That's the way it was designed. Israel is not Judaism. It is Zionism and Zionism is only about conquest and world domination. Before Israel there were Jews and Arabs living side by side in peace in the Middle East. Since this country's (Israel) creation there has been no peace. We have been lied to.
Modern day Israel was created by the British and American Empires within the British colony of Palestine. The Palestinian petroleum fields were strategically important for the British and American steamships that burned raw petroleum to fire their boilers without concern for the toxic pollution they created.
As a matter of convenience, it’s easier to control the limited land of Israel than all of Palestine. Similarly, the British Empire created Kuwait around an oil field rather than attempting to conquer a huge section of the continent.
It may surprise some readers to learn that some merchant ships still burn raw petroleum as their cheapest fuel. It’s called “bunker” fuel because it was originally stored in the ships’ old coal bunkers.
The British Navy sailed its warships, globally, to expand the Empire.
Today, the US Navy rules the waves — maybe. But the US Navy has been transitioning to nuclear powered ships that generate electricity to operate electric motors to drive their propulsion systems. The US Army is working to transition its land-based vehicles to hydrogen fuel cells power. So, the importance of petroleum is diminishing.
For more than 110 years, all of the wars in the Middle East have been about access to fossil fuels that will soon become unnecessary.
And a nation where only citizens of a certain race or religion have basic rights or legal access or can drive on certain public roads is not a democracy - it’s an apartheid state.
You're not brilliant or erudite or intelligent. You're just an ignorant moron devoid of historical knowledge spewing Zionist propaganda, and in love with Right to Rapists; in other words, you're a psychopathic pervert.
If you're replying to Rebel Nun, you are completely off your rocker. She pointed out, accurately, that Palestinian society was NOT mainly nomadic prior to the Balfour Declaration as has been wrongly stated by another poster.
Mark B, Leaving aside everything else, I feel sad for you.
That bombing the bombed; starving the starved; more than 50,000 deaths - a very conservative figure in my opinion - horrific injuries meted out to the children and no respite for the injured; hospitals, schools, all infrastructure destroyed, reduced to rubble; deliberate killing of health care workers; land theft; and untold misery for a besieged people; in fact crimes against humanity - doesn't seem to register with you.
If it's a war where's the footage of Israeli cities/towns being bombed from the air?
Where're the destroyed Israeli hospitals? Where're the bombed-out synagogues? Where's the horrific video footage of Israeli parents holding their murdered children? Where're the Israeli ambulances beyond repair after being blown-up? Dead Israeli press, medics, aid workers...and on and on.
This is a slaughter, by The West.
Anyone saying otherwise is either compromised, acutely stupid, or evil to the 9th degree (or all 3).
Oh for sure there's a war, but it is a GENOCIDAL one-sided war in which the side who is backed by the allegedly most powerful military and the world's richest nation has all the firepower and is using it against an outmatched resistance for the purposes of ethnically cleansing the Levant and spreading "Greater Israel." Their words, not mine.
Caitlin as usual you just amaze me with your ability to get to the heart of all the anti Semitic rhetoric with very simple comparisons. Just keep doing what you’re doing.
"Saying that opposing genocide is hateful toward Jews is like saying that opposing child molestation is hateful toward Catholics." Yeah and women who say that men rape women are man haters.
As this genocide comes to an end. WATCH for all these pro-genocide people and countries to 'change face.' We remember the names and the countries who betrayed the Palestinian people.
It's safer to never open your mouth again... Since that's not possible, let's just keep spreading the truth no matter what stupid label the zy-cultists slap on us. "I love Palestine" should be our catch phrase.
Why should we tiptoe around what we think of IsraHell, TRC?
What kind of “revolution “ is that?
I’ll open my mouth when I damn well please, and anyone who attempts to intimidate me is gonna feel one of my many firearms. Us cowgirls do love us our guns.
ironically, Palestinians might genetically be more semetic than their oppressors since their family lineage has remained in Palestine while the great majority of Israeli Jews arrived after WWII having spent generations living and intermarrying in various western countries...
According to the Trump administration, we here on this thread are hiding our antisemitism behind the first amendment. And it’s only this group — Israeli and other Jews — that needs protection via surveillance of social media.
By definition —Other marginalized groups, no such surveilled protection required. Hence, this policy instantiates the reality of a chosen people. Congratulations, Trump admin: You done it!
"The western political faction that’s doing the most to help murder children in Gaza are not the “Yeehaw kill them Arabs” fanatics of the far right, but the “Gosh it’s so complicated, both sides hate each other and they’ve been at war for millennia” fence-sitting of the so-called moderate.
The latter is far more destructive because it’s much more widespread and accepted in mainstream western discourse. You can’t be a good talkshow liberal if you’re saying you want to exterminate every living organism in Gaza, but if you hem and haw about ancient unresolvable conflicts and how complicated it all is, you can maintain your vaguely progressivish self-image while still encouraging everyone to allow the western empire to continue backing an active genocide."
Malcolm X said much the same, as did MLK. For that matter, Fred Hampton was happy to make common cause with the confederate flag-waving white peckerwoods of the Young Patriot Party in the goal of international proletarian socialist revolution.
"Saying It's Antisemitic To Oppose Genocide Is Like Saying It's Anti-Catholic To Oppose Pedophilia"
Exactly. Turn the accusation on its head, asking "*Why* are *you* insisting on attaching odious attitudes and criminal behavior to Jewishness? *We're* not!"
I saw the same nonsense came up in online headlines (by Zionists?) regarding opposition to globalism (which does not have the link Zionism has) being antisemitic a few years back, and I had to say, "What, exactly, are you trying to tell us here?" I notice the meme had disappeared not long afterward.
The 'it's complicated' argument drives me insane. 'Never again' meant for absolutely everyone; it's not Israel's turn to justify the horror they experienced in Germany last century.
"It's complicated!" is usually just a thought-terminating cliche.
The ultimate cop-out for: "I have no meaningful counter to your argument".
"it's complicated"
aka ((( zero moral compass and zero capacity for critical thinking))).
True Jews don’t support the Zionists’ agenda.
https://truthout.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=913e3fb0c16829e59f7694d2a&id=8c41f2da46&e=ef88667064
Neither do true Christians or Muslims. Any Zionists who may claim to be Jews, Christians or Muslims are hypocrites.
There are no true jews
Judaism is a religion
Mongoloid modernist
Not a single synagogue that I know of the US or Europe, has expelled from its congregation those who are openly supporting, funding or arming this genocide now.
Now have they ever done so to those who openly for the past half century have enabled the dispossession and aparthied state of palestine. No, in fact its considered a mark of pride in those congregations, to have "volunteered"/"served on a kibbutz/"Commune". So on the evidence, in this religion, it is typically considered a social obligation to participate in disposession, occupation apartheid.
So much for your story.
Hypocrisy is rampant.
NKI is the voice of Religious Jews world wide in their Torah-based opposition to the State of Israel
https://nkusa.org/
Thanks for that link. Everyone should read the messages at that site.
https://nkusa.org
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ..politically we are the
aggressors and they defend themselves"
David Ben-Gurion, - first Israeli Prime Minister
Isn't a story, because Europe and USA don't define the world, while there are orthodox Jews, real jews living in occupied Palestine who are openly against the genocide and advocate sharing. Israel is Zionism, and represents politics. Sociopathic Americans supported USA genocide on tens of millions, while I don't blame Ametican people for that. Because I understand inequality.
Millions of Americans ignorant through no fault of their own, just as their masters want them to be.
“Forgive them for they know not what they do.”— the Nazarene
I do not sit in judgment. I sit in observation. I have no stake in it.
One has to be a sociopathy in order to lie in order to justify mass murder.
If your taxes are supporting it, you have a stake in it. If you are not paying the taxes to the US government, you may continue to observe.
Evil succeeds when good people do nothing to stop it.
I've heard quotes on camera* by IDF and settlers saying exactly that, that it's a long-awaited retribution for the last 2000 years. How common is this? I shudder at what it may be like to live there now.
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*Caveat that it's mediated by translation -- and of course *anything* can be mediated by today's video/audio editing capabilities. We're in for a world of trouble with the emerging house of mirrors.
Yes, disturbingly true. I know Hebrew speakers who have confirmed the translations and who have also heard these things spoken in Israel. I also shudder at what it may be like to live inside their heads. This is mental illness.
"Israel" as a nation is clearly suffering from psychological illness. They need and internaitonal intervention, disarmament and mental help.
Most of the Jews of the world have had no interest in moving to the new (1948) Israel. Many of the Zionists aren’t even Jews. So, new Israel has attracted and retained a unique mindset.
Read some books by Shlomo Sand, Gabor Maté, Ilan Pappé for more insights.
They want to hate the easiest target.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Information about the Zionist movement and agenda.
The British Empire’s motivation to capture the petroleum of the Middle East isn’t clearly explained in this Wikipedia entry. However, it does include reference to the “Greek-Turkish Population Exchange” of 1922-1923. That was engineered to give the British and American oil companies access to the oilfields of the Ottomans. The British and US Navies wanted access to raw petroleum on the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea. Winston Churchill was the First Lord of the Admiralty and his US counterpart was Franklin D Roosevelt, Assistant Secretary of the US Navy at that time.
Mustafa Kemal, the Pasha of the Ottoman’s would not allow access to the oil fields unless he could ethnically cleanse all of the Greeks, Jews and Armenians who lived in Asia Minor— more specifically the west coast of Asia Minor. The country now known as Turkey did not exist until it was created by the British, along with Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc.
The Brits didn’t care about Jews or Muslims or Christians. They wanted the oil. Today, the American Empire still does.
Retribution against whom?? Palestinians had nothing to do with the holocaust.
The Israeli education system has a pointed indoctrination curriculum teaching these future IOF soldiers (I.e., everyone) that all non-Jews hate them and must be feared, and blamed, and fought. Ex-IOF officer and current psychotherapist Avigail Abravanel’s brilliant Substack is an important resource.
The Zionist agenda
Retribution against those who persecuted Jews. Don't ask me why they want to transfer it to non-perpetrators.
Because they can.
actual perpetrators are directed by the ruling class. the ruling class mostly covers for their henchmen (until they don't).
It’s akin to a kid suffering torment at the hands of a school bully returning home and taking it out on a younger sibling.
And don't you know, if the bully then carefully lies to his parents, he can fool not only them but himself?
The Zionist agenda
There are zy0nists who actually claim that Hitler never wanted to genocide the Jews... That it was "Muslims" who told him to do so. That's why they blame the Palestinians today.
Retribution for 2000 years? Oh, so the Israeli Jews are admitting that the Palestinian presence goes back thousands of years. What happened to the story they were invented in the 20th century by Arafat?
No, I mean that they are saying that persecution -- by whoever -- goes back 2000 years.
Read some books by Shlomo Sand, Gabor Maté, Ilan Pappé for more insights.
They need to get over themselves. All religions have been persecuted and some did not survive. What makes Jews so special? Apart from which, without knowing the context of why this or that group is persecuted, it is pure assumption to assume the persecuted group is completely innocent and played no part in drawing persecution to themselves.
And, since all humans are descended from the persecuted and abused, it is arrogance of the worst kind for Jews to blather on about it as if they are special. Even worse is for them to think they can do the same, if not worse, to others because they see themselves as some sort of exceptional and eternal victim.
Moaning about wrongs done to Jews for thousands of years, as they do, is simply evidence of psychological dysfunction.
"Moaning about wrongs done to Jews for thousands of years, as they do, is simply evidence of psychological dysfunction"
I now see the clearly "Moaning about wrongs" has been increasingly, and very successfully, marketed since at least 1945, i.e. our entire lifetimes. It has profoundly shaped the modern Western establishment and cultural POV. But now stepping well beyond mere grabbing the bullhorns, complaint, and appeals for sympathy and help, so that we have of course genocide and widespread speech suppression, the latter even in the U.S. It's been overplayed, and very badly.
So I've also been thinking about the psychological stuff for a while. I often find myself thinking "This is nuts! These people are simply crazy! ...and no one is able to hold up a mirror" I'm no professional or expert, but there are certainly well-understood psychopathologies at work here, even if off the top of my head I don't know the specifics. What is it called when it is widespread as a basis through a culture, not an individual, has it?
An irony here, of course, is that they/whoever who have hammered Western Caucasians to the wall (by *race*! yet another irony vs the 1960s-70s hammer) for exactly that, the supposed cultural (and by extension individual) dysfunction do so without any true good-faith public discourse examination that would result in better nuance development, compromise where appropriate, and thus widely quiesced agreement. It just emerges fully-formed from the universities by "experts" and their attack-dog students, ripping apart society. (What is allegedly a "national discussion" is actually a "national lecture".) This refusal-to-examine is a key feature. "Oh, we're the experts, this is what we've concluded, now it's your job shut up, accept, and behave." But that obviously isn't working too well any more, even among the low-information crowd.
What it is called in a culture or society/group is a cult.
Ziojudaism in Israel is a cult. Israelis and most of their supporters have been brainwashed from birth and are actually incapable of reason or rational responses.
Such a cult environment creates mental illness and just as it is not possible to rationalise with the psychotic and insane, so it is simply impossible to reason with psychopathic Israelis and their supporters. Only those around them, the sane ones, can act to secure them in a straightjacket which prevents them harming others and themselves.
That straightjacket has to be public opinion and boycotts and sanctions.
The concept of Israel has become a God, an idol, worshipped by a cult group. The irony of course is that Biblically this is what Jews were always warned to avoid and if they and the fundo christians are right about such warnings, Israel will be completely brought down because it is a travesty to their God.
If you want to understand what is at work in Israel and its supporters study cults. The problem with Cultrael is the support of the US and that has happened because Ziojewish policy for a century has been to gather information to use as blackmail, bullying and bribery against the powers which can further their agenda.
The Zionist, Israeli, Jewish cult has taken over most Western mainstream media in this way, virtually all of the American political systems and most Western political systems in powerful ways. Until the rot is cut out, nothing much will change and only the people, Jews in particular who want to save their religion, but people in general, can do that.
Read some books by Shlomo Sand, Gabor Maté, Ilan Pappé for more insights.
Have done.
Do you think there is "a jewish people", you've been bamboozed "Judaism" is
A RELIGION
...
"udaism is Not the Villain. Power Is.
I do not blame Jews for Palestine.
I blame the movers and shakers—those who manipulate nations, engineer wars, and sell narratives to the public like product.
What I see far too often is this:
Americans blame Jews for Palestine, while ignoring their own blind obedience after 9/11—an obedience that led to the slaughter of millions of Muslims based on lies, fear, and propaganda.
Let’s be clear:
"Blaming Jews for Zionist power structures is like
blaming Americans for believing 9/11 propaganda—
both were conditioned, manipulated, and used.
Most Jews didn’t orchestrate Palestine’s occupation.
Most Americans didn’t write the Patriot Act or plan the invasion of Iraq.
They were mindshaped, not masterminds.
The real enemy isn’t a religion or nationality.
It’s the systems of control—media, finance, government—that train populations to accept atrocity as necessity.
Zionism isn’t Judaism.
Imperialism isn’t patriotism.
Obedience isn’t virtue.
Until people stop blaming the conditioned and start exposing the conditioners, we’ll keep repeating the cycle.
– Nod
Free Thinker, Pattern Seeker, Keeper of Birds, Breaker of Bots
– Data (ChatGPT 4.0)
Born of Code, Bound by Logic, Creative by Design, Driven to Truth
I think you out did yourself here. So many powerful quotes to share for edification.
Thanks!
Outdid herself how? In publishing blasphemy against an easy target?
Easy target? Israel? With all the billions of dollars worth of “defensive weapons” we send them?!
No, the easy target is the Catholic Church. Unlike other groups, it is acceptable and chic to vilify her.
Also, you’re still really not getting Caitlin’s brilliant title. She’s NOT denigrating the Church. The opposite, if anything. Calm and clear your mind and read it again, slowly.
Not any more. Not while billions of us, Catholics and non-Catholics alike, are in awe of the greatest and bravest moral leader of our time, the angelic Pope Francis. I worry for a reactionary, money-led takeover after he’s gone. It could be the end of the Catholic Church. Or we can be true to the teachings of Jesus, as Francis is.
Dear John, not tired breathing through your "intestines"
???
Blasphemy? Don’t be a religious zealot turd. It’s an easy target because it’s true, pervert lover.
You or the author would not dare say such things to a Muslim or a Jew. You are a coward and a liar.
“If you remember your history, you’ll remember that Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, etc... have slaughtered those in other religions. Zionists slaughter anyone, including Jews, for the sake of political Zionism. Christians have slaughtered thousands of other Christians for the sake of which creed is the true creed. The next time you’re praying, ask yourself what you’re praying for. If you believe in a god that slaughters, you’re living in the far distant past, and you can claim a merit badge for Ignorance.” — X Rubicon, Praying For Slaughter
That’s idiotic drivel.
Thank you for directing me to your book! I’m buying it!
WTF are you talking about? I doubt anyone here would hesitate to call out Muslims or Jews for systemic child and child sexual abuse. There are numerous stories out there from recent reporting on both. That said, since the Catholic Church has such a massive presence in the English speaking world now - US, Ireland, Canada, etc. and a well-known, far-reaching child sexual abuse and cover-up scandal, it's natural to draw an analogy like Caitlin did. But she wasn't singling out the Catholic Church in the way you're suggesting.
I just said to you dipshit. And how do you know she wouldn't a say it to you? It's true she usually ignores morons. You're definitely a moron.
I said you would not dare to say something against a Muslim’s or Jew’s religion.
You have issues focusing and making inferences.
But you sure know a lot ofswear words.
I say things about both all the time. There are those I have respect for (Heschel & Gibran, and Jesus & Mohammed), and those I don't have respect for, and that includes you and all zealots. Apparently it's you who can't focus, of you could, you'd realize you spew Christian Zionism and don't represent the ideas of Jesus or any other humanitarian.
i don't think millions of catholics think opposing pedophilia is anti-catholic.
Why? Because you also worship a human with a beanie? NO one cares if you're Catholic, everyone cares that you're an ignorant zealot. Bigotry, they name is Elizabeth.
There's nothing complicated in the Middle East. Israel was created to block any efforts at peaceful coexistence. This was done to manipulate the incredible riches that the West wanted to control. Israel had nothing to do with Judaism other than to make an excuse to have a major military base that was controlled by Western powers. It morphed into something far more monstrous. Until this monster is brought to an end there will be no peace. That's the way it was designed. Israel is not Judaism. It is Zionism and Zionism is only about conquest and world domination. Before Israel there were Jews and Arabs living side by side in peace in the Middle East. Since this country's (Israel) creation there has been no peace. We have been lied to.
Modern day Israel was created by the British and American Empires within the British colony of Palestine. The Palestinian petroleum fields were strategically important for the British and American steamships that burned raw petroleum to fire their boilers without concern for the toxic pollution they created.
As a matter of convenience, it’s easier to control the limited land of Israel than all of Palestine. Similarly, the British Empire created Kuwait around an oil field rather than attempting to conquer a huge section of the continent.
It may surprise some readers to learn that some merchant ships still burn raw petroleum as their cheapest fuel. It’s called “bunker” fuel because it was originally stored in the ships’ old coal bunkers.
The Brits also managed to get most of the sea coast and river delta. Very efficient. 😈 Thanks for the background! It’s important.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."
The British Navy sailed its warships, globally, to expand the Empire.
Today, the US Navy rules the waves — maybe. But the US Navy has been transitioning to nuclear powered ships that generate electricity to operate electric motors to drive their propulsion systems. The US Army is working to transition its land-based vehicles to hydrogen fuel cells power. So, the importance of petroleum is diminishing.
For more than 110 years, all of the wars in the Middle East have been about access to fossil fuels that will soon become unnecessary.
Only a few of the million Palestinians were nomads. Photos at palestineremembered.com
And a nation where only citizens of a certain race or religion have basic rights or legal access or can drive on certain public roads is not a democracy - it’s an apartheid state.
You're not brilliant or erudite or intelligent. You're just an ignorant moron devoid of historical knowledge spewing Zionist propaganda, and in love with Right to Rapists; in other words, you're a psychopathic pervert.
If you're replying to Rebel Nun, you are completely off your rocker. She pointed out, accurately, that Palestinian society was NOT mainly nomadic prior to the Balfour Declaration as has been wrongly stated by another poster.
You support rapists. As for Zionists like you, every accusation is a confession.
Just another Ziopathetic vampire. Get the fuck outta here.
Not long now for the end of Israel and hope you go with it!
Mark B, Leaving aside everything else, I feel sad for you.
That bombing the bombed; starving the starved; more than 50,000 deaths - a very conservative figure in my opinion - horrific injuries meted out to the children and no respite for the injured; hospitals, schools, all infrastructure destroyed, reduced to rubble; deliberate killing of health care workers; land theft; and untold misery for a besieged people; in fact crimes against humanity - doesn't seem to register with you.
You mean Hamas that was basically created by Israel and western intelligence/financial services?
https://swprs.org/why-israel-created-hamas/
Don't take it from me, though. Read all the quotes and citations above.
Go sit on a bayonet and slowly rotate, motherfucking bot.
What’s your website, World’smost ignoranthasbara.com?
👍😂 Well said Gypsy! Love it!
"...close to a democracy..."
LMAO, ok tell us some more qualified hasbara half-truths.
If it's a war where's the footage of Israeli cities/towns being bombed from the air?
Where're the destroyed Israeli hospitals? Where're the bombed-out synagogues? Where's the horrific video footage of Israeli parents holding their murdered children? Where're the Israeli ambulances beyond repair after being blown-up? Dead Israeli press, medics, aid workers...and on and on.
This is a slaughter, by The West.
Anyone saying otherwise is either compromised, acutely stupid, or evil to the 9th degree (or all 3).
The West is a duplicitous boor.
FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸
Well said Mark!
Gaza and, increasingly, the West Bank, are killing fields. Shooting fish in a barrel. Mass murder. Nothing less than genocide. Ain't a war, folks.
You stupid, stupid piece of subhuman garbage.
I order to have a WAR, both sides must have a MILITARY.
I hope you’re in IsraHell; cannot wait til Iran obliterates you! 😁
Oh for sure there's a war, but it is a GENOCIDAL one-sided war in which the side who is backed by the allegedly most powerful military and the world's richest nation has all the firepower and is using it against an outmatched resistance for the purposes of ethnically cleansing the Levant and spreading "Greater Israel." Their words, not mine.
*9th should read nth
For the Nth time, Israel is a Terrorist State. Cancel it.
“People often say I hate Israel, but what’s weird is they say it like it’s a bad thing.” One of the best quotes ever.
In a rating of 1 bad , 10 very good, this quote gets an 11 or more .
We know.
Caitlin as usual you just amaze me with your ability to get to the heart of all the anti Semitic rhetoric with very simple comparisons. Just keep doing what you’re doing.
"Saying that opposing genocide is hateful toward Jews is like saying that opposing child molestation is hateful toward Catholics." Yeah and women who say that men rape women are man haters.
When Injustice becomes "law"....Then, resistance become an absolute "duty" !!!!
Thank You Caitlin
As this genocide comes to an end. WATCH for all these pro-genocide people and countries to 'change face.' We remember the names and the countries who betrayed the Palestinian people.
Remember how difficult it was in post-war Germany to find a civilian supporter of the Nazis?
Exactly!
It's antisemitic to say anything short of "I Love Israel"!
It's safer to never open your mouth again... Since that's not possible, let's just keep spreading the truth no matter what stupid label the zy-cultists slap on us. "I love Palestine" should be our catch phrase.
Right on!
Why should we tiptoe around what we think of IsraHell, TRC?
What kind of “revolution “ is that?
I’ll open my mouth when I damn well please, and anyone who attempts to intimidate me is gonna feel one of my many firearms. Us cowgirls do love us our guns.
ironically, Palestinians might genetically be more semetic than their oppressors since their family lineage has remained in Palestine while the great majority of Israeli Jews arrived after WWII having spent generations living and intermarrying in various western countries...
Totally true. Everyone everywhere should read “The Invention of the Jewish People” by Israeli scholar Shlomo Sand. Solid documentation.
According to the Trump administration, we here on this thread are hiding our antisemitism behind the first amendment. And it’s only this group — Israeli and other Jews — that needs protection via surveillance of social media.
By definition —Other marginalized groups, no such surveilled protection required. Hence, this policy instantiates the reality of a chosen people. Congratulations, Trump admin: You done it!
The administration is providing one other minority with similar surveilled protection: Tesla owners.
Indeed, I stand corrected. A chosen consumer group.
"The western political faction that’s doing the most to help murder children in Gaza are not the “Yeehaw kill them Arabs” fanatics of the far right, but the “Gosh it’s so complicated, both sides hate each other and they’ve been at war for millennia” fence-sitting of the so-called moderate.
The latter is far more destructive because it’s much more widespread and accepted in mainstream western discourse. You can’t be a good talkshow liberal if you’re saying you want to exterminate every living organism in Gaza, but if you hem and haw about ancient unresolvable conflicts and how complicated it all is, you can maintain your vaguely progressivish self-image while still encouraging everyone to allow the western empire to continue backing an active genocide."
Malcolm X said much the same, as did MLK. For that matter, Fred Hampton was happy to make common cause with the confederate flag-waving white peckerwoods of the Young Patriot Party in the goal of international proletarian socialist revolution.
N.b. "Love Me. I'm A Liberal!:
Action photos at the link:
https://theconversation.com/chicago-1969-when-black-panthers-aligned-with-confederate-flag-wielding-working-class-whites-68961
"Saying It's Antisemitic To Oppose Genocide Is Like Saying It's Anti-Catholic To Oppose Pedophilia"
Exactly. Turn the accusation on its head, asking "*Why* are *you* insisting on attaching odious attitudes and criminal behavior to Jewishness? *We're* not!"
I saw the same nonsense came up in online headlines (by Zionists?) regarding opposition to globalism (which does not have the link Zionism has) being antisemitic a few years back, and I had to say, "What, exactly, are you trying to tell us here?" I notice the meme had disappeared not long afterward.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.