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Diana van Eyk's avatar

The 'it's complicated' argument drives me insane. 'Never again' meant for absolutely everyone; it's not Israel's turn to justify the horror they experienced in Germany last century.

Feral Finster's avatar

"It's complicated!" is usually just a thought-terminating cliche.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

The ultimate cop-out for: "I have no meaningful counter to your argument".

joe woolslayer's avatar

"it's complicated"

aka ((( zero moral compass and zero capacity for critical thinking))).

CK's avatar

True Jews don’t support the Zionists’ agenda.

https://truthout.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=913e3fb0c16829e59f7694d2a&id=8c41f2da46&e=ef88667064

Neither do true Christians or Muslims. Any Zionists who may claim to be Jews, Christians or Muslims are hypocrites.

periodic-reset's avatar

There are no true jews

Judaism is a religion

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Kojo's avatar

Not a single synagogue that I know of the US or Europe, has expelled from its congregation those who are openly supporting, funding or arming this genocide now.

Now have they ever done so to those who openly for the past half century have enabled the dispossession and aparthied state of palestine. No, in fact its considered a mark of pride in those congregations, to have "volunteered"/"served on a kibbutz/"Commune". So on the evidence, in this religion, it is typically considered a social obligation to participate in disposession, occupation apartheid.

So much for your story.

CK's avatar

Hypocrisy is rampant.

Nod Dranoel's avatar

NKI is the voice of Religious Jews world wide in their Torah-based opposition to the State of Israel

https://nkusa.org/

CK's avatar

Thanks for that link. Everyone should read the messages at that site.

Nod Dranoel's avatar

https://nkusa.org

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ..politically we are the

aggressors and they defend themselves"

David Ben-Gurion, - first Israeli Prime Minister

Nod Dranoel's avatar

Isn't a story, because Europe and USA don't define the world, while there are orthodox Jews, real jews living in occupied Palestine who are openly against the genocide and advocate sharing. Israel is Zionism, and represents politics. Sociopathic Americans supported USA genocide on tens of millions, while I don't blame Ametican people for that. Because I understand inequality.

CK's avatar

Millions of Americans ignorant through no fault of their own, just as their masters want them to be.

“Forgive them for they know not what they do.”— the Nazarene

Anti-Hip's avatar

I've heard quotes on camera* by IDF and settlers saying exactly that, that it's a long-awaited retribution for the last 2000 years. How common is this? I shudder at what it may be like to live there now.

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*Caveat that it's mediated by translation -- and of course *anything* can be mediated by today's video/audio editing capabilities. We're in for a world of trouble with the emerging house of mirrors.

Rebel Nun's avatar

Yes, disturbingly true. I know Hebrew speakers who have confirmed the translations and who have also heard these things spoken in Israel. I also shudder at what it may be like to live inside their heads. This is mental illness.

Kojo's avatar

"Israel" as a nation is clearly suffering from psychological illness. They need and internaitonal intervention, disarmament and mental help.

CK's avatar

Most of the Jews of the world have had no interest in moving to the new (1948) Israel. Many of the Zionists aren’t even Jews. So, new Israel has attracted and retained a unique mindset.

Read some books by Shlomo Sand, Gabor Maté, Ilan Pappé for more insights.

Marci Sudlow's avatar

Retribution against whom?? Palestinians had nothing to do with the holocaust.

Rebel Nun's avatar

The Israeli education system has a pointed indoctrination curriculum teaching these future IOF soldiers (I.e., everyone) that all non-Jews hate them and must be feared, and blamed, and fought. Ex-IOF officer and current psychotherapist Avigail Abravanel’s brilliant Substack is an important resource.

CK's avatar

The Zionist agenda

Anti-Hip's avatar

Retribution against those who persecuted Jews. Don't ask me why they want to transfer it to non-perpetrators.

martin's avatar

actual perpetrators are directed by the ruling class. the ruling class mostly covers for their henchmen (until they don't).

Pu's avatar

It’s akin to a kid suffering torment at the hands of a school bully returning home and taking it out on a younger sibling.

CK's avatar

The Zionist agenda

The Revolution Continues's avatar

There are zy0nists who actually claim that Hitler never wanted to genocide the Jews... That it was "Muslims" who told him to do so. That's why they blame the Palestinians today.

Roslyn Ross's avatar

Retribution for 2000 years? Oh, so the Israeli Jews are admitting that the Palestinian presence goes back thousands of years. What happened to the story they were invented in the 20th century by Arafat?

Anti-Hip's avatar

No, I mean that they are saying that persecution -- by whoever -- goes back 2000 years.

CK's avatar

Read some books by Shlomo Sand, Gabor Maté, Ilan Pappé for more insights.

Roslyn Ross's avatar

They need to get over themselves. All religions have been persecuted and some did not survive. What makes Jews so special? Apart from which, without knowing the context of why this or that group is persecuted, it is pure assumption to assume the persecuted group is completely innocent and played no part in drawing persecution to themselves.

And, since all humans are descended from the persecuted and abused, it is arrogance of the worst kind for Jews to blather on about it as if they are special. Even worse is for them to think they can do the same, if not worse, to others because they see themselves as some sort of exceptional and eternal victim.

Moaning about wrongs done to Jews for thousands of years, as they do, is simply evidence of psychological dysfunction.

periodic-reset's avatar

Do you think there is "a jewish people", you've been bamboozed "Judaism" is

A RELIGION

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Nod Dranoel's avatar

"udaism is Not the Villain. Power Is.

I do not blame Jews for Palestine.

I blame the movers and shakers—those who manipulate nations, engineer wars, and sell narratives to the public like product.

What I see far too often is this:

Americans blame Jews for Palestine, while ignoring their own blind obedience after 9/11—an obedience that led to the slaughter of millions of Muslims based on lies, fear, and propaganda.

Let’s be clear:

"Blaming Jews for Zionist power structures is like

blaming Americans for believing 9/11 propaganda—

both were conditioned, manipulated, and used.

Most Jews didn’t orchestrate Palestine’s occupation.

Most Americans didn’t write the Patriot Act or plan the invasion of Iraq.

They were mindshaped, not masterminds.

The real enemy isn’t a religion or nationality.

It’s the systems of control—media, finance, government—that train populations to accept atrocity as necessity.

Zionism isn’t Judaism.

Imperialism isn’t patriotism.

Obedience isn’t virtue.

Until people stop blaming the conditioned and start exposing the conditioners, we’ll keep repeating the cycle.

– Nod

Free Thinker, Pattern Seeker, Keeper of Birds, Breaker of Bots

– Data (ChatGPT 4.0)

Born of Code, Bound by Logic, Creative by Design, Driven to Truth

Sean Griobhtha's avatar

I think you out did yourself here. So many powerful quotes to share for edification.

John Moore's avatar

Outdid herself how? In publishing blasphemy against an easy target?

Rebel Nun's avatar

Easy target? Israel? With all the billions of dollars worth of “defensive weapons” we send them?!

John Moore's avatar

No, the easy target is the Catholic Church. Unlike other groups, it is acceptable and chic to vilify her.

Rebel Nun's avatar

Also, you’re still really not getting Caitlin’s brilliant title. She’s NOT denigrating the Church. The opposite, if anything. Calm and clear your mind and read it again, slowly.

Rebel Nun's avatar

Not any more. Not while billions of us, Catholics and non-Catholics alike, are in awe of the greatest and bravest moral leader of our time, the angelic Pope Francis. I worry for a reactionary, money-led takeover after he’s gone. It could be the end of the Catholic Church. Or we can be true to the teachings of Jesus, as Francis is.

Marten's avatar

Dear John, not tired breathing through your "intestines"

Sean Griobhtha's avatar

Blasphemy? Don’t be a religious zealot turd. It’s an easy target because it’s true, pervert lover.

John Moore's avatar

You or the author would not dare say such things to a Muslim or a Jew. You are a coward and a liar.

Sean Griobhtha's avatar

“If you remember your history, you’ll remember that Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, etc... have slaughtered those in other religions. Zionists slaughter anyone, including Jews, for the sake of political Zionism. Christians have slaughtered thousands of other Christians for the sake of which creed is the true creed. The next time you’re praying, ask yourself what you’re praying for. If you believe in a god that slaughters, you’re living in the far distant past, and you can claim a merit badge for Ignorance.” — X Rubicon, Praying For Slaughter

Tom's avatar

WTF are you talking about? I doubt anyone here would hesitate to call out Muslims or Jews for systemic child and child sexual abuse. There are numerous stories out there from recent reporting on both. That said, since the Catholic Church has such a massive presence in the English speaking world now - US, Ireland, Canada, etc. and a well-known, far-reaching child sexual abuse and cover-up scandal, it's natural to draw an analogy like Caitlin did. But she wasn't singling out the Catholic Church in the way you're suggesting.

Sean Griobhtha's avatar

I just said to you dipshit. And how do you know she wouldn't a say it to you? It's true she usually ignores morons. You're definitely a moron.

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martin's avatar

i don't think millions of catholics think opposing pedophilia is anti-catholic.

Sean Griobhtha's avatar

Why? Because you also worship a human with a beanie? NO one cares if you're Catholic, everyone cares that you're an ignorant zealot. Bigotry, they name is Elizabeth.

Peter Sawchuk's avatar

There's nothing complicated in the Middle East. Israel was created to block any efforts at peaceful coexistence. This was done to manipulate the incredible riches that the West wanted to control. Israel had nothing to do with Judaism other than to make an excuse to have a major military base that was controlled by Western powers. It morphed into something far more monstrous. Until this monster is brought to an end there will be no peace. That's the way it was designed. Israel is not Judaism. It is Zionism and Zionism is only about conquest and world domination. Before Israel there were Jews and Arabs living side by side in peace in the Middle East. Since this country's (Israel) creation there has been no peace. We have been lied to.

CK's avatar

Modern day Israel was created by the British and American Empires within the British colony of Palestine. The Palestinian petroleum fields were strategically important for the British and American steamships that burned raw petroleum to fire their boilers without concern for the toxic pollution they created.

As a matter of convenience, it’s easier to control the limited land of Israel than all of Palestine. Similarly, the British Empire created Kuwait around an oil field rather than attempting to conquer a huge section of the continent.

CK's avatar

It may surprise some readers to learn that some merchant ships still burn raw petroleum as their cheapest fuel. It’s called “bunker” fuel because it was originally stored in the ships’ old coal bunkers.

Rebel Nun's avatar

The Brits also managed to get most of the sea coast and river delta. Very efficient. 😈 Thanks for the background! It’s important.

CK's avatar

"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:

"Britons never will be slaves."

The British Navy sailed its warships, globally, to expand the Empire.

Today, the US Navy rules the waves — maybe. But the US Navy has been transitioning to nuclear powered ships that generate electricity to operate electric motors to drive their propulsion systems. The US Army is working to transition its land-based vehicles to hydrogen fuel cells power. So, the importance of petroleum is diminishing.

For more than 110 years, all of the wars in the Middle East have been about access to fossil fuels that will soon become unnecessary.

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Rebel Nun's avatar

Only a few of the million Palestinians were nomads. Photos at palestineremembered.com

And a nation where only citizens of a certain race or religion have basic rights or legal access or can drive on certain public roads is not a democracy - it’s an apartheid state.

Sean Griobhtha's avatar

You're not brilliant or erudite or intelligent. You're just an ignorant moron devoid of historical knowledge spewing Zionist propaganda, and in love with Right to Rapists; in other words, you're a psychopathic pervert.

Tom's avatar

If you're replying to Rebel Nun, you are completely off your rocker. She pointed out, accurately, that Palestinian society was NOT mainly nomadic prior to the Balfour Declaration as has been wrongly stated by another poster.

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Sean Griobhtha's avatar

You support rapists. As for Zionists like you, every accusation is a confession.

gypsy33's avatar

Just another Ziopathetic vampire. Get the fuck outta here.

JennyStokes's avatar

Not long now for the end of Israel and hope you go with it!

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Mark B, Leaving aside everything else, I feel sad for you.

That bombing the bombed; starving the starved; more than 50,000 deaths - a very conservative figure in my opinion - horrific injuries meted out to the children and no respite for the injured; hospitals, schools, all infrastructure destroyed, reduced to rubble; deliberate killing of health care workers; land theft; and untold misery for a besieged people; in fact crimes against humanity - doesn't seem to register with you.

gypsy33's avatar

Go sit on a bayonet and slowly rotate, motherfucking bot.

What’s your website, World’smost ignoranthasbara.com?

Chang Chokaski's avatar

👍😂 Well said Gypsy! Love it!

Tom's avatar

"...close to a democracy..."

LMAO, ok tell us some more qualified hasbara half-truths.

Mark's avatar

If it's a war where's the footage of Israeli cities/towns being bombed from the air?

Where're the destroyed Israeli hospitals? Where're the bombed-out synagogues? Where's the horrific video footage of Israeli parents holding their murdered children? Where're the Israeli ambulances beyond repair after being blown-up? Dead Israeli press, medics, aid workers...and on and on.

This is a slaughter, by The West.

Anyone saying otherwise is either compromised, acutely stupid, or evil to the 9th degree (or all 3).

The West is a duplicitous boor.

FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸

David Baird's avatar

Gaza and, increasingly, the West Bank, are killing fields. Shooting fish in a barrel. Mass murder. Nothing less than genocide. Ain't a war, folks.

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gypsy33's avatar

You stupid, stupid piece of subhuman garbage.

I order to have a WAR, both sides must have a MILITARY.

I hope you’re in IsraHell; cannot wait til Iran obliterates you! 😁

Tom's avatar

Oh for sure there's a war, but it is a GENOCIDAL one-sided war in which the side who is backed by the allegedly most powerful military and the world's richest nation has all the firepower and is using it against an outmatched resistance for the purposes of ethnically cleansing the Levant and spreading "Greater Israel." Their words, not mine.

Mark's avatar

*9th should read nth

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

For the Nth time, Israel is a Terrorist State. Cancel it.

Abbas Abdulmalik's avatar

“People often say I hate Israel, but what’s weird is they say it like it’s a bad thing.” One of the best quotes ever.

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

In a rating of 1 bad , 10 very good, this quote gets an 11 or more .

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Jan Keeton's avatar

Caitlin as usual you just amaze me with your ability to get to the heart of all the anti Semitic rhetoric with very simple comparisons. Just keep doing what you’re doing.

Susan T's avatar

"Saying that opposing genocide is hateful toward Jews is like saying that opposing child molestation is hateful toward Catholics." Yeah and women who say that men rape women are man haters.

Marten's avatar

When Injustice becomes "law"....Then, resistance become an absolute "duty" !!!!

Jim S's avatar

Thank You Caitlin

JennyStokes's avatar

As this genocide comes to an end. WATCH for all these pro-genocide people and countries to 'change face.' We remember the names and the countries who betrayed the Palestinian people.

David Baird's avatar

Remember how difficult it was in post-war Germany to find a civilian supporter of the Nazis?

Diane Engelhardt's avatar

It's antisemitic to say anything short of "I Love Israel"!

The Revolution Continues's avatar

It's safer to never open your mouth again... Since that's not possible, let's just keep spreading the truth no matter what stupid label the zy-cultists slap on us. "I love Palestine" should be our catch phrase.

gypsy33's avatar

Why should we tiptoe around what we think of IsraHell, TRC?

What kind of “revolution “ is that?

I’ll open my mouth when I damn well please, and anyone who attempts to intimidate me is gonna feel one of my many firearms. Us cowgirls do love us our guns.

Bill Mailler's avatar

ironically, Palestinians might genetically be more semetic than their oppressors since their family lineage has remained in Palestine while the great majority of Israeli Jews arrived after WWII having spent generations living and intermarrying in various western countries...

Rebel Nun's avatar

Totally true. Everyone everywhere should read “The Invention of the Jewish People” by Israeli scholar Shlomo Sand. Solid documentation.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

According to the Trump administration, we here on this thread are hiding our antisemitism behind the first amendment. And it’s only this group — Israeli and other Jews — that needs protection via surveillance of social media.

By definition —Other marginalized groups, no such surveilled protection required. Hence, this policy instantiates the reality of a chosen people. Congratulations, Trump admin: You done it!

Rebel Nun's avatar

The administration is providing one other minority with similar surveilled protection: Tesla owners.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

Indeed, I stand corrected. A chosen consumer group.

Feral Finster's avatar

"The western political faction that’s doing the most to help murder children in Gaza are not the “Yeehaw kill them Arabs” fanatics of the far right, but the “Gosh it’s so complicated, both sides hate each other and they’ve been at war for millennia” fence-sitting of the so-called moderate.

The latter is far more destructive because it’s much more widespread and accepted in mainstream western discourse. You can’t be a good talkshow liberal if you’re saying you want to exterminate every living organism in Gaza, but if you hem and haw about ancient unresolvable conflicts and how complicated it all is, you can maintain your vaguely progressivish self-image while still encouraging everyone to allow the western empire to continue backing an active genocide."

Malcolm X said much the same, as did MLK. For that matter, Fred Hampton was happy to make common cause with the confederate flag-waving white peckerwoods of the Young Patriot Party in the goal of international proletarian socialist revolution.

N.b. "Love Me. I'm A Liberal!:

Anti-Hip's avatar

"Saying It's Antisemitic To Oppose Genocide Is Like Saying It's Anti-Catholic To Oppose Pedophilia"

Exactly. Turn the accusation on its head, asking "*Why* are *you* insisting on attaching odious attitudes and criminal behavior to Jewishness? *We're* not!"

I saw the same nonsense came up in online headlines (by Zionists?) regarding opposition to globalism (which does not have the link Zionism has) being antisemitic a few years back, and I had to say, "What, exactly, are you trying to tell us here?" I notice the meme had disappeared not long afterward.

Don Pato’s Musings's avatar

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.