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This time last year, we were told Kabul was secure and the Taliban was not making gains. If you follow Intel Slava Z or ASB Military News on Telegram, it's obvious the Russians are making steady advances. Surprised YouTube hasn't banned Patrick Lancaster and Graham Phillips.

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Excellent example.

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Cited this previously, sorry. But it's so indicative of how our senile, zombie, drooling klepocrats can't even be bothered to hire adequate liars, any more. It's simply NOT an issue to have dead-eyed sneering doppelgangsters spew intentionally obvious HORSESHIT over and over; too cheap to spend our taxes, to pay Alphabet, PayPal, Facebook or Twitter remove evidence, where they're BRAGGING about treason, or installing fucking murdering Nazi oilgarch death-squads to save their planet-killing FRACKING pyramid & move on to pulling the exact same tired-ass shit on China, etc.

https://scheerpost.com/2022/05/26/nuland-pyatt-tape-removed-from-youtube-after-8-years/

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Hard to understand the point being made. Could you rephrase in adjective free English? Your remarks may be important but the argument is lost in spittle covered primeval rage.

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Nope.

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While I would like to think that the WaPo is leading the effort to bring honesty to the USA proxy war in Ukraine to bring it to a negotiated peace, I fear the opposite is true. I fear that this message will lead to cries for greater USA involvement, including professional USA "good guy" troops to reinforce the poor volunteer Ukrainian forces in order to defeat the "bad guys" and further the USA aims of unipolar hegemony. Wasn't this how Vietnam started?

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Yes the Overton window is shifting maybe as you speculate in favour of US intervention.

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If we've delivered 500km capable rocket launchers. We've dumped in "volunteers" capable of using them. Which to many of us kinda makes us go "HMmmm?" that this entire schtick isn't just elaborate theatrics (remember the meetings green-screened aboard a railcar in Poland? Were this "war with Russia," they'd have been vaporized?

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Interesting point - how the message from the Washington Post my be decoded.

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Decryption involves euphemism of "Fuck you, PAY me!" into any number of unconvincing tropes & pearl-clutching platitudes, silly virtue signalling, pouty concern trolling from Neanderthal vs zinjanthropus cage rattling?

http://thesaker.is/will-nato-aggression-force-russia-to-extend-the-special-operation-beyond-the-ukraine/

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I agree. I think this article is just propaganda of a different flavor, even if it happens to be true. I think this is response they are tryig to elicit: "OMG those poor Ukraninans! We need to step up and send them more help, and maybe get our own forces there to save them before its too late!" Also to ease any consciences that might feel a little guily about the obscene aid package that was just passed while letting our own country continue to fall apart.

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Bezos' WaPo "Prop Or Not" neo-McCarthyism BS lie machine WAS all a basically Ukranian Oilgarch/ Atlantic Council financed stomp-down of ANY nascent journalism, whistleblowers or leaks contradictory to the blob's narrative. We've seen Intercept, CommonDreams, CounterPunch and a host of formerly astute, prescient, independent (frequently VERY accurate) lefty blog-aggregators spun, crushed or SEO'd down Google's memory hole. They'd tried like CRAZY to cover up DCCC, foreign oilgarch & AIPAC's war on Black, female REAL Democratic candidates, & continue to assist in Biden's CDC intentionally infecting ~75% of kids as asymptomatic vectors, while unmasking EVERYONE and covering-up a massive 6th Tsunami of BA.2.12.1 breakthrough cases. WaPo IS disinformation personified!

https://mobile.twitter.com/MoonofA/status/1530211867494592512

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/05/the-perverse-calls-for-more-russian-aggression-in-the-face-of-its-methodical-operation-in-ukraine.html#comment-3726681

https://mobile.twitter.com/BeliTsari/status/1529754611896180737

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"Westerners would be a lot less cavalier about demanding a foreign population keep fighting until total victory if they truly understood ..." war at all. Even a military hawk that doesn't mind spending lives in battle knows UA can't fight RF and win. You didn't need any concern for "the horrors of war" to have been realistic about the likely success of RF in its stated goals at the onset of fighting. "The West" (i.e. US led NATO) over played its had in both the military war and economic war. That was rank incompetence and opportunistic political adventurism. I despise that. Fcuk'em.

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Scott Ritter complained several weeks ago that weaponry we've been sending to UA ranges from difficult to use down to very unreliable (e.g. expired explosives and propellants). He also explained that in field artillery battle an unsuccessful shot is often catastrophic because RF forces will be likely be able to accurately counter-strike using your shot for targeting. The UA fighters quoted in WaPo corroborate this.

Ritter also complained that our military experts know this and therefore they and their political leaders are engaging in deliberate slaughter of UA fighters by so equipping them and encouraging them to shoot.

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I don't think Ritter "complained", rather he "explained". Ritter doesn't seem to have taken sided on this war.

However, his "game changer" video about how the $40B was going to turn this into "something else" kind of erodes his credibility -- especially after the contents of the bill were explained by others; Ukraine is only really getting $6B and that's $6B is mostly the same junk.

On the "good side" (if there is one) we have fascists abandoning fascists. Check out "Gladeo" after WWII.

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Some of Ritter's takes have been more persuasive than others. I'm pointing out here his remarks that seem to be now corroborated by quotes from UA soldiers that WaPo reports. I think he's been better than most US-based commenters so far. I don't always agree with Caitlin but still find her on the whole worth some of my attention.

But what's more interesting here is why does the WaPo publish this? I assume it is approved of by the WH. So I think it means that we are now supposed to feel that the humane thing is to negotiate an end to the war. In this way it fits a dramatic turn in the mainstream discourse this week. The blob is rearranging the narrative to protect itself now that they see that RF is likely to reach its military goals and the blowback from the economic war is a domestic political disaster.

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"approved by the WH", probably not.

approved by Bezos, definitely.

"The Duran" this morning was talking about how stories about Ukraine are disappearing -- especially from the Guardian. So, yeah, the blob.

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Every time I see the name "The Guardian", John, I remember the way it benefitted from Mikileaks and then the dump it gave to Julian Assange, contributing largely to his current situation. Not a name I will ever respect again.

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Of course that should be Wikileaks. Finger trouble

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I didn't say that the WH approved its publication in the sens of giving explicit permission after review or conversation, though that is of course possible.

"it is approved of by the WH," can also mean that wapo is confident it will not lead to any punishment from the WH in terms of access. In other words, wapo knows the WH is OK with it without having to obtain review approval, which functionally equivalent to knowing without having to ask that it is approved of.

Same with Bezos, ofc.

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May 27, 2022·edited May 28, 2022

Caitlin is a Chomskite, and a damn good one.

Curtis Yarvin writer of the “gray mirror” substack is , I think, our new Noam Chomsky, our generation”s decoder.

As for “the most sophisticated propaganda apparatus ever seen”, yes, but please don’t give the people in the west to much credit. Ours is a performative concern for Ukrainians and Russians, we’ve become used to foreigners dying on our tv’s, so the cartoon of good guy Ukrainians versus bad guy Russians suits us perfectly. We don’t actually want to know, we are exhausted, it’s just another war, like another mass shooting of children, please lie to me , please tell me a nice story, good versus evil and then tell me we are on the side of good.

Now that I’ve gotten that unpleasantness over with, I can get back to my latte.

Power, the dingbats on the left, our over class, forbid the discussion of power, it is Gauche, it is their great lie, they tell us that we have moved on from that history. But we haven’t and America will descend into kinetic dispute and then the reality of power will flood back in. Liberals are going to get us all killed. Actually I’m 58, I probably won’t see it, but your children or grandchildren may one day face what Ukrainians are facing because of liberals.

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"but your children or grandchildren will one day face what Ukrainians are facing because of liberals."

"liberals": what the hell does that term mean any longer? I want it banned from political discussion since it covers such a broad spectrum of political thought that it is meaningless.

Now if you want to replace "liberals" with "Oligarchy" your declaration makes sense.

I'd also like to see spell checkers fixed so that they would use "too" rather than "to" in the appropriate context. Really incredible how a missing "o" changes the context of a sentence.

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I told someone in another discussion the other day, "That's the difference between progressives and liberals. Progressives want peace. So do liberals, but only if their guy wins.' They didn't get it, and asked how much Moscow was paying me.

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I kind of like that.

But now that we watch the Congressional Progressive Caucus do absolutely nothing, I have to ask, "Just what does 'progressive' mean?"

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two right you are! ;-)

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Fail. There is no "left" in America and you show your true colors by claiming the Dems are "left." That is utter bollocks.

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Over class? Since you object to the left, yes?

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FWIW: left/right, totally meaningless in today's discussion of the political spectrum.

Jimmy Dore was asked, "What do you do when a Trump Voter wants to join our Union." He responded, "Declare VICTORY".

It would be a "good thing" if we'd stop using meaningless and undefined terms in a political debate that is really about class and the dictatorship of the Oligarchy. (Synonymous with Plutocracy, but if someone wants to educate me with an essay...)

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The post Liberal Order substack uses scholarly references to the term liberal. I use it colloquially and while I subscribe to the post label order I admit I struggle with it. Professors Deneen Vermeulen and Pippen are debating ideas beyond my ken .

That said I agree with your point that it is now a class struggle and that our colloquial use of the terms liberal and conservative are misleading and probably intentionally misleading.

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It depends on who and what you include as the Overclass. The folks in Washington are whores to their donors and as such they are part of the Overclass's rule but certainly do not have the ultimate power. The plutocracy has the ultimate power.

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But you have secret knowledge of who I am which is reassuring

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Only good news here is our children and imagined grandchildren will probably not have to worry about this since we’ll soon be extinct due abrupt climate change or collapse of industrial civilization - either one triggers the other.

70+ self-reinforcing feedback loops and an ice free Arctic will indicate the end of us and all wars. Arctic is likely to go ice free next year. We escaped again this year by a hair’s breadth.

But we don’t hear about that either in the so-called “liberal” media or youtube. (Because they are not liberal they are fucking fascist)

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The thing is that currently this state of affairs should be meaning more food, not less. That might change in 20 years but for now we should be able to grow, grow, grow. So any food shortages now are manufactured ones.

Also the Arctic might be getting ready for an ice free summer but as I understand it the Antarctic is still gaining ice.

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Well said. Caitlin and Chris Hedges, wow that is some real dissident reading.

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Preparring the ground for an about face. Even Guardian, the UK version, warhawks to the end, are pushing Ukraine into the background. Most important mission is to save face for the Blob/Permanent State, and if delaying negotiations to allow it to fade away kills more Ukrainians and Russians, well just think of them as poor Americans who died from Covid. Must end excess population, says Klaus.

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Klaus, The world economic forum guy?

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yes

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It should be obvious to anyone--most importantly the Ukrainians--that the US empire and not the Ukrainians are running this war.

Making this case is the constant stream of statements out of the US administration and from their Congresscritter lackeys dictating the terms for ending the war: the fall of Putin and utter defeat of the Russian military. The Ukrainians are precluded from themselves negotiating any end to "their" war!

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I think even more telling is that we're finally getting some truth of how badly things are going....just AFTER the $40+ billion went out the door.

The WaPo article is "foaming the runway" for the expected massive defeat to come in Lysychansk in the near future.

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KEEP ON FIGHTING CAITLIN!!!

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As long as they die AFTER the private jets all leave the World Economic Forum Climate Change jamboree & everybody gets their little taste of green-washed ways to save Biden, Kerry, Mitt, Nancy, Rice & Hills' collapsed bridge-fuel FRACKING Ponzi scheme... so we can admit, Russian gas & oil (some from Iraqi fields & refineries we murdered innocent locals for) has been flowing west as Ukranians were sacrificed (frequently, non Aryans murdered by Nazi terrorists we've installed and armed, as our workers are FED, maskless & largely uninsured to a virus, rich folks vectored & infected us with). No truth is reported, since any facts contradicting our brainwashed boss, landlord, creditors or clergy/ media are just OBVIOUSLY insane treason and must be silenced, as retired yuppies, sneering Creative Class morons are busy mouthbreathing virons on unmasked servers, screaming for more caviar on their avacado toast, before retreating upstate to infect the locals.

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"Let them drink toilet water!!," they all trumpeted. I remember when it was cake. Now it's toilet water. A sign of how far it's all fallen.

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WashPo gaining a sense of morality and wanting to practice actual journalism and not write puff pieces for the oligarchy? Hmm... maybe. For some reason, I think there is something behind their sudden "honesty" about how badly things are going for Zelensky's troops. Perhaps we'll see some change in leadership there. After all, we helped them change leadership in 2014, didn't we?

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Zelenski will be used as the US scapegoat. Scenario: All that money and crappy weaponry we sent him and he still can’t win? “What did you do with all our gifts Zel? Did you resell them to someone else?”

Then left out to dry and be hung by his ankles and Mussolini’d by his own nazi brigade.

It will happen. Watch.

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Biden will probably negotiate a comfortable exile for him, like Bush the Elected did for Idi Amin and Baby Doc.

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One of the ancient conditions defining a "just" war - to the extent any war can be just, is the reasonable likelihood of success: where there is no such likelihood, the conflict is simply a slaughter, not a war, no matter how it is termed. Other conditions involve a cost/benefit equation. The slaughter in Ukraine is a prime example, and those who encouraged false perceptions and false hope are responsible. Russia could have totally flattened the country in a week, but that was emphatically never the objective: they wanted to prevent total war and the malign Western stated, and actions-supported objective to split up and destroy Russia. Law, history, morality, and the outcome are all on their side.

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Refugees are leaving the country on frelling **TRAINS**, and reporters are filing video reports over intact cellphone networks. Those two facts are all the evidence that should be necessary that the Russians are using a very light hand, one guy with a backpack of thermate can shut down the train network for most of a country.

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And that didn't happen in Iraq or anywhere else after the US were done: they left in body bags - not trains.

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If this war is over by end of August, Biden will be CIC of his second proxy war defeat in a year.

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What was the first defeat?

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Afghanistan. Aug 2021 was the retreat that converted that debacle into a loss.

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Get out of here. Bull. Withdrawing from Afghanistan was one of the few things Biden did right. Also, how was Afghanistan a proxy war? If it was a proxy war in the sense it was China and Russia using the Taliban as a proxy against America, then yes, I agree, it was a proxy war.

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huh. I agree that "Withdrawing from Afghanistan was one of the few things Biden did right." How is that incompatible with my statements?

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Weird how we never see anything talking about all those foreign fighters in the international Brigade. You'd think some of the Americans who went there would be sending out social media posts to tell us how they are taking down whole regiments.....

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I find that interesting too. All silent on the Eastern front.

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I saw on (IIRC) Consortium News that they're pretty much relegated to PR work.

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Malcolm Nance, a US journalist, enlisted. Is he still reporting ?

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So, apparently, WAPO thinks Henry Kissinger is a prophet too? The chief war mongering goblin mutters something at the WEF and thereby pulls the plug on the Ukrainian bloodletting? I'll believe it when I see it. I assume the cash-grab will continue unabated.

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The same Henry Kissinger of Chile fame, yet another arrogant criminal activity for US commercial reasons against Salvador Allende who was a good man from a good country. Kissinger's actions never to be forgotten installing a Pinochet regime which then went on to kill thousands as a result. Just another grab for power and control.

Thank you, Kissinger. You made your mark as a US criminal

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Excellent reply. Henry Kissinger cannot be redeemed any more than George W. Bush can be redeemed or Dick Cheney or Madeleine Albright or Bill Clinton or Vladimir Putin. They are ALL criminals and further, they are all war criminals.

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Henry may be anti-nuclear but he is certainly not anti-war but Raimondo and company lick his ass nonetheless because they're not really anti-war either even though they claim to be.

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This war is just the US empire attempting to leverage this situation to put the screws on their adversary Putin.

1. Caitlin, in this article, reinforces what has been obvious all along (but what remains ignored by too many): that the US empire will fight Russia to the last western Ukrainian.

2. Should the western Ukrainians somehow prevail and push out the Russians, I fear massive oppression of--and maybe even genocide against--ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. Is the US empire even considering this possibility, much less making preparations to prevent it?

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