I am glad to say that the majority of the actual movement, including high profile ones such as Thunberg, are staunchly pro-Palestinian and have been from before Oct 7th.
and again, i'd like to point out (as caitlin) that, like all the other usual suspects (starmer, albanese, macron, ... all others seeming to be willing to 'compromise' on the '2 state solution'), the underlying message is again that 'hamas can not be in the government' as it would represent another revolutionary victory of the people over the system. resistance, including violent resistance (albeit primarily bleeding all over the western newsscreens), can not be rewarded in the eyes of a system that holds a monopoly on violence. hamas must be in the next palestinian government.
He's been a POS for a long time. Guy's band made phenomenal music for about 15 years, and now he's seen as some sort of deity that also knows a lot about politics.
Worshipping celebrities is another sign that the Western world is incapable of critical thinking.
Just so. Perhaps even allergic to critical thinking, so that celebrity worship is gut-sensed as a soothing ointment into which to retreat whenever convenient. Truly a signature of societal attrition.
>>"Worshipping celebrities is another sign that the Western world is incapable of critical thinking."
BTW, 'worshipping celebrities' is global - all modern cultures and all nations do it - in fact, if you read history, there is nothing new about 'worshipping celebrities' - humans have done this since time immemorial - it is an outcome of human evolution and psychology. Nothing specifically 'Western' about it. And if you'ld like to talk about critical thinking, it makes more sense to point to the 'halo effect' cognitve bias or 'argument from authority' fallacy. Again, there is nothing specifically WESTERN about this.
There are not enough tears to weep about this travesty. I'm an author, a journalist, and I have taught journalists.
I've covered human rights violations and horrendous regimes but now I feel so ashamed of so many of my colleagues. So many journalists - even some I taught - have turned away from reporting the truth that this is a genocide, they don't care that their comrades are being gunned down. This makes them sociopaths.
Where is humanitarian journalism? Where is human rights journalism? Oh there's click bait social media but the mainstream is a sick stream. It breeds violence and that breeds despair.
Our leaders don't only want to kill Palestinians, they want to shackle us, they want to stop the poor from speaking out, they want to exploit workers, and they see nature as a resource to exploit. That is their agenda. It is a policy of 'mass murder so there will be more for me'.
We are ruled by selfish childish leaders who are bullies, who want to stockpile weapons the way bully boys stock pile toys. They don't want to let the good kids eat or drink. They don't want to let them have homes. They shoot them. And they shoot those who tell on them.
The real heroes, the real truth seekers and truth tellers are being felled. Those heroes, so many of them are gone. They can't hug their wives, they can't kiss their children, they will never look at another sky or sing another song.
All the bystanders who watched this, all the Police who carry out the orders of despotic governments and arrest good people, are culpable.
If we free Palestinians we free ourselves. Only the most evil people would see extermination for expansion as a good thing. This isn't slavery of the past, or massacres of the past, it is the enslavement of a people, now, it is the massacre of people now.
The US, Israel, the nations who keep manufacturing this mass murder, this deranged killing spree, must be stopped.
Thank you Caitlin for your campaign against injustice and for being a word warrior for liberation, for raging against the dying of so many lights.
I wish a lot more people understand this. But no, people are going to quibble about “but Hamas!” and “it’s not genocide” and “the most moral army” and totally miss the forest for the trees
Yes, the focus has never been on all the many Palestinian children who have been stolen, kidnapped, imprisoned, and tortured. Decades of this and they claim it all hinged on October 7th. Not all the days before and since.
Thank you, we can support each other to go forward supporting the rights of Palestinians - the right to liberation, the right to return. The right for all human beings to live in a free and fair world.
"Thank you Caitlin for your crusade against injustice and for being a word warrior for liberation, for raging against the dying of so many lights." Very well put; couldn't agree more.
Thank you Nicholas. We have to keep forging on and Caitlin has been brilliant at providing so many good articles that are worth sharing. It is a horror story.
Caitlin has indeed been brilliant. Who else expresses themself as she does? In my view, your appreciation and support of her efforts aren't small matters. Let's continue to expand the number of people who read her work. All the best. - Nicholas
I can’t possibly tell you how immensely grateful I am to you for being on the right side of history. As Gazan myself, you and beautiful benevolent brave people like you are our last bastion of hope. Please stay safe, stay strong and stay well dear Saige.
That means so much to me, I have been so overhwhelmed by the kindness of Gazans, the tender love and friendship. It means so much to me and to all of those who stand alongside Palestinians - a people so unjustly denied their right to their land, their right to liberation, and who now experience the most terrible suffering caused by genocide. Thank you again, my friend. Free free Palestine, return, return, soon, soon.
Our language has become an instrument of deception. Although it is possibly apt, I find it hard to relate the word "crusade" with anything positive, or with anything I could ever support.
Thanks Joy. I've edited the word out and replaced it with 'campaign' because the word is associated with a terrible history of violence against muslims. A rugby team in my region bears the name and I supported the call to have the name changed.
I'm so tired and sad today. I used the word to mean in this case: a vigorous campaign for change. But campaign works best. Appreciate you picking it up. Great editing.
I am so tired of this gaslighting. I feel so much rage when I hear all that shit about Hamas with no look at what the Israelis are doing. And then I read about the UK cops arresting all those people for protesting a genocide. Nothing that is happening in Gaza or anywhere that people are opposing genocide makes any sense to me. I feel as if I am losing my mind sometimes. And then I think of those people in Gaza and I cannot even begin to imagine their pain, rage and fear. The world is watching a bunch of entitled white guys destroying a culture and people because they think they are entitled.
It is to do with entitled and white though. The Zionist Genocide of the Palestinians is a creation of the White Western Establishment. It goes back a long way, 108 years to the 1917 Balfour Declaration, or Balfour “Agreement” as it is sometimes referred to. The “agreeing” was between white powerful people such head Euro-Zionists the Rothschilds. Certainly the Palestinians, the majority population in the region, weren’t consulted. Therefore Israel is, and has always been, a colonial project designed to protect, promote, and exploit white entitled interests in a region rich in resources such as oil and gas. The evil we see being perpetrated today by the Israeli Zionist interlopers is a Western Military Industrial Complex creation as much now in 2025 as it was during the Nakba in 1948.
I think it’s WAY beyond what you speak of. This type of behavior has been occurring over thousands of years, and I know that they aren’t “white”. Who fomented the World Wars, and the Bolshevik Revolution-the Holodomor? And it goes on, and on…
the rich fomented the world wars. the bolshevik revolution was a reasonable attempt to get things right all in all, and the holodomor was a fuck-up. thank you for opposing the genocide in gaza. pray as hard as you can so god may hear your prayers for justice and an end to the suffering.
I goofed. I should have said, "Western Establishment” does not equal “white”.
"White" is simply not relevant as an indicator. What *is* relevant is your use of "entitled" and "establishment". What *is* relevant is, and has always been relevant, are sufficient combinations of things like wealth, high status, attractiveness, intelligence, social connections, access to technology, risk-proneness, and above all, psychopathy, to do evil things. That can concentrate in relatively *small* groups in various places at various times, in this case, it happened in Europe in for several most recent hundreds of years except the last.
That's what drove powerful people to do what you describe. Not whiteness -- whatever that is, beyond physical attributes of Caucasians. If it should clearly be placed geographically, then "European" is far more reasonable, and removes the irrelevant immutable identity marker.
"The journalists are Hamas, the hospitals are Hamas, the UN is Hamas, the peace activists are Hamas, the demonstrations are Hamas, telling the truth is Hamas, human empathy is Hamas, objective reality is Hamas. It’s all Hamas."
It is!! And Bono is truly a piece of shit for mentioning Hamas 14 times and not speaking out against Israel and its genocide for almost two years.
All praise to all the brave protesters who were arrested for standing up for Palestine (Action)! Bono could learn a lot about morality from them
So, I'm going to Hell for not supporting Israel's genocide? I guess I'd better pack some hot dogs and marshmallows because I'll go willingly to oppose these atrocities.
Pretentious… perfect word to describe Bono, Clare. I once read that he couldn’t understand why the Catholic boys wanted to beat him up because he was a Proddie.
Wrong, Bono. It’s because you were and will always be an asshole.
You got it, darlin'. Never knew of any Catholic-Protestant rivalries in my neighborhood that led to fisticuffs on the basis of that inter-Christian disparity. The target of the beating was almost always the neighborhood's biggest asshole, religion notwithstanding.
He has caught the 'Zion-itis disease' A Zionist disease, and he is now seriously affected and afflicted with it ,as is most of Americas Israeli Zionist supporters ,it destroys your Moral Compass, Empathy, Spirituality and compassion, where you don't see ,and cant see everyone as HUMANS anymore and describe them as Animals ,Terrorist and more ,that is really more fitting and accurate of the Zionist murderers trying to wipe them out and call it 'Defending themselves' and Self Defense'
Why is Israel allowed to exist with all the awful things they have been doing to other Humans?
They have sanctioned and Bomb other states for a lot Less .Is it that we also have a totally immoral world?
I hate to think that, but from what we have seen the last 3 years and the reluctance from the International community to try and put even one Measly Sanction on these Zionist Genociders for numerous Human rights abuse an starvation ,and deliberate Murder of hungry Children trying to get food Killing and burying Aid workers in Vehicles and covering it up with Bulldozers ,Shooting kids in the head with snipers ,and numerous other disgusting Crimes and nothing is done to stop them leaves no doubt about what kind of world this has become and we are living in .
Its like the World have totally surrendered to the Genocidal ZIONIST ,who now run the show, and the fact is they have made Hitler and the Nazis seem like Boy Scouts
I look forward to the day Israel gets its comeuppance. I have no idea how it will look or if I will live long enough to see it but it will come. The voices of the slaughtered will be heard. And yes perhaps avenged.
What kind of God would expect you to commit genocide in order to reach salvation? Only one existing in their psychopathic and self-serving imagination?
Isn't it interesting the cognitive dissonance it takes to put those two things together. What kind of God would expect you to commit genocide in order to reach salvation?
Your question opens up a can of worms.
It causes one to take a look at the "God".... the "God' these folks worship and how is it that this "God" would support, approve and even "assist" in a genocide.
If you really, really want to know the answer.... well, that "God" said I have created man in my image...... That God killed a bunch of people, thousands maybe millions in the book that "God" speaks from.
The Paradox and contradiction of that "God" is in the Holy Book that that "God" speaks from.
He is great and powerful "God" who will destroy his enemies one and all through various means of which many were genocidal. Whole towns wiped out, whole nations wiped out by that "God" who created man in his image. Yet that same "God" seems to be merciful and willing to care for the meek and the innocent. Is this "God" schizophrenic? How does this "God" save a nation yet allow its only begotten son to die for sins yet to be committed?
I really think that we have to look at the socialization a belief system has on a people. If a person professes that their book is sacred, and that their God is "the" God of all, and then you further that with the believers wanting to be "like" their god or at least "children" of that God, well like they say, the apple doesn't fall that far away from the tree.
If a person worships a vengeful, genocidal "God" and then couples that with dogma about how merciful and gracious that "God" is, I can only surmise that it would have a tremendous psychological distortion for any individual who "worships" that "God". One thing that is for sure.... whoever worships "that" God will want desperately, to be "chosen" because when he loses his temper, all bets are off... I'm just saying.
Look at the logic, the self-regulatory sophistication of the biosphere [barring humans] the absence of any single species dominating and over-consuming or over-producing: production, consumption, recycling continual and balanced [if decoupled from human interference] -- those are the qualities one would expect from a brilliant god-like mind. But a god with human qualities -- a narcissist, greedy, angry, anthropomorphic god?? Awww shit, GTFOH, with that crap. Sorry Michelangelo, but that old a-hole you painted on the Sistine chapel ought to be nuked.
I'm an atheist. To your points about inconsistencies in "revealed" faith, one of the primary reasons for atheism was my realization that:
(1) if the (Abrahamic) God were truly as advertised -- all-powerful, all knowing, *and* all-loving -- none of this redemption rigamarole outlined over thousands of pages, with untold numbers of godmongers arguing with each other for thousands of years, would be necessary. He/She/They/It would instead endow all people with the knowledge and temperament necessary to behave as desired, and thus live happily forever in peace.
Instead, I'm confronted with endless questions about inexplicable inconsistencies and downright stupidities (to take a tiny number off the top of my head) such as: Why in the world did God create (supposed) "free will"? I mean, He could (and still can) create *anything* He wants, right? Is He a masochist? Such that for thousands of years now He is left biting His nails with worry and sadness, yet ironically ready to *torture* scads people in the afterlife for failing his Jesus-crucifixion payback test. Why does He even need this bean-counting, a God who has everything? Is He a sadist? And don't even get me started on the shit-in-your-face-level insult of the Doubting Thomas tale, or even better, "You must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" I mean, is comment even necessary here? The hucksters who wrote this were laughing in your faces, knowing what dupes most of us can be!! It simply leaves one screaming, "What is wrong with this picture? Why does this stuff even exist for supposedly sane people???" No, it's NOT that his intentions and desires are inscrutable -- he gave us (if you'll pardon the expressions) THE goddam MANUAL, for chrissakes! Etc., etc., etc. "But you can't fool all of the people, all of the time."
So.... instead,
(2) Occam's razor makes it clear to me that: The situation we find ourselves in, for thousands of years now with continually warring peoples, uses a bubble-gum & bailing-wire pasted-together Frankenstein's monstrosity of explanations, likely by dozens of (non-divine) people. That is, scripture didn't float down from heaven, perfectly organized, written by the fetal-soul of, say, Shakespeare in the The King's English (er, Aramaic), as one might expect a God worthy of the name to do. Hence, it is bound to include material that -- as you point out -- "would have a tremendous psychological distortion for any individual who 'worships' that 'God'". Nevertheless, societies need this (and can't make changes on the fly to "sacred scripture" without raising eyebrows) to keep the hoi polloi from freaking out, over the myriad modern (i.e. Agri Age onward) consequences of the much-longer-running evolution-developed general belief in the supernatural, originally to maintain mental health while their brains grew.
Tragic thing is, modern humans haven't found a superior substitute yet for supernatural beliefs, one that works for entire populations. So "revealed" religion is once again on the rise :/
The regular folks need *something*, or they'll regress (many, as I noted, with religion) ... and in any case most of us *will* rebel. That's a problem for the lazy-ass rich dudes who haven't come up with something yet...
So I'm afraid they're instead counting on (a) smothering most of us into compliance using sufficient A.I. (A.G.I. is not at all necessary), (b1) killing the uncooperative useless eaters with [nano]robots, diseases, etc. etc., and (b2) hiding in their bunkers until the smoke/fallout/etc. clears.
When Palestine is rebuilt for Palestinians a great square will be constructed with a monument to all the the beautiful people who were murdered by the Israelis . It will stand forever and will be a reminder of the darkest days of humanity but also of the resolve of the Palestinians.
The Jews entered history as slaves making bricks in ancient Egypt. They can exit human history as naked, chain-gang slaves clearing the broken bricks from Palestine so that the rebuilding can begin.
I'm half listening to the Australian PM announcing recognition of the Palestine at the United Nations in September. I'm pleased they've finally found some moral fortitude, but they still have to play the both sides argument with ultimately Hamas = evil, Israel right to exist.
So many innocents murdered in the name of settler colonialism.
So many weak Western leaders (I'm looking at you Albo and Wong).
What is this September thing..............Macron also uses this date. Are they hoping all Palestinians will be gone by then and they don't have to do anything?
There’s UN meeting in September where they are all threatening to recognize Palestine. This is a last ditch effort to save Israel. It is clear to most ordinary people that there can only be one state - Palestine. This is an effort to again imbed the idea of a two state solution even though Zionists have made clear for over 100 years, they want only one state that encompasses all of Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, and parts of Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, and Turkey. It’s an expansionist, supremacist, modern Nazi movement that has to disappear.
Some absolute genius decided to start calling Israel's prime minister of Britain 'Sir Kid Starver'. 'Nobbo' admittedly conveys none of the contempt and disgust we should all feel for the odious self-idoliser Bono. Making up names for sewerage is obviously childish, and it may change nothing, but using words to capture the essence of a turd can be oddly satisfying.
Bono is beyond a piece of shit. He’s a glittering vacuity and a disgrace to the many Irish people who staunchly oppose Israel.
My god how I love this - “glittering vacuity”. You don’t realise how you’ve made my day. And to think I grew up with U2 as the soundtrack of my life
lovely said.
Roger on the piece of excrement:
https://youtu.be/Yd1wOWkqZXE?si=h-Hj0Y0iH2f0gnPt
Bono is part of the group of despised hypocritical twats that have been deliberately used to discredit the environmental and vegan movement on behalf of fossil fuels and animal ag. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/king-charles-and-bono-the-unpopular?utm_source=publication-search
I am glad to say that the majority of the actual movement, including high profile ones such as Thunberg, are staunchly pro-Palestinian and have been from before Oct 7th.
Dr. Who:
I loved the part where upon encountering Bono in an airport, Roger quips: “Well, for one, he’s SHORT. He barely comes up to my shoulder.” 😂
I noticed that he was wearing rosary beads 🤦♀️…a “nice touch”🙄😵💫🤪.
Funny, Renee, since he ain’t Catholic. Please see my comment below.😉
“glittering vacuity”….buonissimo Vin!
I can’t think of him as Irish. He’s so up his own backside😤
Dolly, the Irish pretty much disown him 😉
when southpark was still years ahead: https://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/d3wt0d/south-park-more-crap-season-11-ep-9
and again, i'd like to point out (as caitlin) that, like all the other usual suspects (starmer, albanese, macron, ... all others seeming to be willing to 'compromise' on the '2 state solution'), the underlying message is again that 'hamas can not be in the government' as it would represent another revolutionary victory of the people over the system. resistance, including violent resistance (albeit primarily bleeding all over the western newsscreens), can not be rewarded in the eyes of a system that holds a monopoly on violence. hamas must be in the next palestinian government.
Bono. Rhymes with 'Oh, no!'
I had Bono figured out a long time ago.
He likes celebrity and likes being patted on the head by important people.
Oh fk. That's pretty insightful FF.
Hadn't considered that. He's a pleaser.
100% agree. Before he got FAMOUS he made good music.............now he is dicredited forever.
Ah yes. That piece of ego named Bono.................
He's been a POS for a long time. Guy's band made phenomenal music for about 15 years, and now he's seen as some sort of deity that also knows a lot about politics.
Worshipping celebrities is another sign that the Western world is incapable of critical thinking.
Just so. Perhaps even allergic to critical thinking, so that celebrity worship is gut-sensed as a soothing ointment into which to retreat whenever convenient. Truly a signature of societal attrition.
What happened to Bob Geldof?
Good question, Jenny. Far as I know, he became a "businessman". Sold out, I suppose. Don't 90% of 'em when the almighty shekel calls?
You'd think they'd have enough money not to have to dance to anyone else's tune, but it seems I'd be wrong.
I would hate to think of this with regard to Bob Geldof. Maybe he is sick?
SO why exactly are we calling on CELEBRITIES to make statements.????
They all need MONEY/Contracts to the Zionist 'musicmakers' who run the world!
>>"Worshipping celebrities is another sign that the Western world is incapable of critical thinking."
BTW, 'worshipping celebrities' is global - all modern cultures and all nations do it - in fact, if you read history, there is nothing new about 'worshipping celebrities' - humans have done this since time immemorial - it is an outcome of human evolution and psychology. Nothing specifically 'Western' about it. And if you'ld like to talk about critical thinking, it makes more sense to point to the 'halo effect' cognitve bias or 'argument from authority' fallacy. Again, there is nothing specifically WESTERN about this.
Wow, thanks Dr. Semantics.
And now you can, I'm sure, show proof that Westerners don't worship silly, vapid celebrities any more than more traditional countries.
Nothing to do with semantics, more to do with data analysis.
Have you looked at how K-Pop stars are worshipped in South Korea?
Have you looked at how Indian Bollywood celebrities are treated as Gods?
The examples are countless...
U2 is one of the more overrated, dad rock, bands of my lifetime.
There are not enough tears to weep about this travesty. I'm an author, a journalist, and I have taught journalists.
I've covered human rights violations and horrendous regimes but now I feel so ashamed of so many of my colleagues. So many journalists - even some I taught - have turned away from reporting the truth that this is a genocide, they don't care that their comrades are being gunned down. This makes them sociopaths.
Where is humanitarian journalism? Where is human rights journalism? Oh there's click bait social media but the mainstream is a sick stream. It breeds violence and that breeds despair.
Our leaders don't only want to kill Palestinians, they want to shackle us, they want to stop the poor from speaking out, they want to exploit workers, and they see nature as a resource to exploit. That is their agenda. It is a policy of 'mass murder so there will be more for me'.
We are ruled by selfish childish leaders who are bullies, who want to stockpile weapons the way bully boys stock pile toys. They don't want to let the good kids eat or drink. They don't want to let them have homes. They shoot them. And they shoot those who tell on them.
The real heroes, the real truth seekers and truth tellers are being felled. Those heroes, so many of them are gone. They can't hug their wives, they can't kiss their children, they will never look at another sky or sing another song.
All the bystanders who watched this, all the Police who carry out the orders of despotic governments and arrest good people, are culpable.
If we free Palestinians we free ourselves. Only the most evil people would see extermination for expansion as a good thing. This isn't slavery of the past, or massacres of the past, it is the enslavement of a people, now, it is the massacre of people now.
The US, Israel, the nations who keep manufacturing this mass murder, this deranged killing spree, must be stopped.
Thank you Caitlin for your campaign against injustice and for being a word warrior for liberation, for raging against the dying of so many lights.
👏👏❤️🙏
>>"If we free Palestinians we free ourselves."
💯❤️ Very true - more people need to take the time to understand the profound depth of its meaning.
Thank you!
I wish a lot more people understand this. But no, people are going to quibble about “but Hamas!” and “it’s not genocide” and “the most moral army” and totally miss the forest for the trees
Yes, the focus has never been on all the many Palestinian children who have been stolen, kidnapped, imprisoned, and tortured. Decades of this and they claim it all hinged on October 7th. Not all the days before and since.
Thank you, we can support each other to go forward supporting the rights of Palestinians - the right to liberation, the right to return. The right for all human beings to live in a free and fair world.
"Thank you Caitlin for your crusade against injustice and for being a word warrior for liberation, for raging against the dying of so many lights." Very well put; couldn't agree more.
Thank you Nicholas. We have to keep forging on and Caitlin has been brilliant at providing so many good articles that are worth sharing. It is a horror story.
Caitlin has indeed been brilliant. Who else expresses themself as she does? In my view, your appreciation and support of her efforts aren't small matters. Let's continue to expand the number of people who read her work. All the best. - Nicholas
If we free Palestinians we free ourselves. Thank you Saige.
Thank you my friend.
I can’t possibly tell you how immensely grateful I am to you for being on the right side of history. As Gazan myself, you and beautiful benevolent brave people like you are our last bastion of hope. Please stay safe, stay strong and stay well dear Saige.
That means so much to me, I have been so overhwhelmed by the kindness of Gazans, the tender love and friendship. It means so much to me and to all of those who stand alongside Palestinians - a people so unjustly denied their right to their land, their right to liberation, and who now experience the most terrible suffering caused by genocide. Thank you again, my friend. Free free Palestine, return, return, soon, soon.
Our language has become an instrument of deception. Although it is possibly apt, I find it hard to relate the word "crusade" with anything positive, or with anything I could ever support.
Thanks Joy. I've edited the word out and replaced it with 'campaign' because the word is associated with a terrible history of violence against muslims. A rugby team in my region bears the name and I supported the call to have the name changed.
I'm so tired and sad today. I used the word to mean in this case: a vigorous campaign for change. But campaign works best. Appreciate you picking it up. Great editing.
Thank you Saige! 👏
Thank you Renee. In solidarity.
Its time to get good with a weapon.
I am so tired of this gaslighting. I feel so much rage when I hear all that shit about Hamas with no look at what the Israelis are doing. And then I read about the UK cops arresting all those people for protesting a genocide. Nothing that is happening in Gaza or anywhere that people are opposing genocide makes any sense to me. I feel as if I am losing my mind sometimes. And then I think of those people in Gaza and I cannot even begin to imagine their pain, rage and fear. The world is watching a bunch of entitled white guys destroying a culture and people because they think they are entitled.
It has nothing to do with white, or entitlement. It has to do with pure evil, and anti-Humanity. Period!
They want every human being with a “label”, creating division. That gives these evil people power.
I love God/Creator. BE the Light, and LOVE your fellow man. We only have one another, and our Creator🕊️🌞❤️
It is to do with entitled and white though. The Zionist Genocide of the Palestinians is a creation of the White Western Establishment. It goes back a long way, 108 years to the 1917 Balfour Declaration, or Balfour “Agreement” as it is sometimes referred to. The “agreeing” was between white powerful people such head Euro-Zionists the Rothschilds. Certainly the Palestinians, the majority population in the region, weren’t consulted. Therefore Israel is, and has always been, a colonial project designed to protect, promote, and exploit white entitled interests in a region rich in resources such as oil and gas. The evil we see being perpetrated today by the Israeli Zionist interlopers is a Western Military Industrial Complex creation as much now in 2025 as it was during the Nakba in 1948.
I think it’s WAY beyond what you speak of. This type of behavior has been occurring over thousands of years, and I know that they aren’t “white”. Who fomented the World Wars, and the Bolshevik Revolution-the Holodomor? And it goes on, and on…
the rich fomented the world wars. the bolshevik revolution was a reasonable attempt to get things right all in all, and the holodomor was a fuck-up. thank you for opposing the genocide in gaza. pray as hard as you can so god may hear your prayers for justice and an end to the suffering.
The Bolshevik Revolution was pure evil. And, it is repeating itself.
The same entity is responsible.
"White Western Establishment" does not equal "white" any more than "Black" equals, say, Black Enterprise magazine's "Black Royalty".
Zionists do this kind of shit. Don't be them.
I agree, “White Western Establishment” does not equal “white”, it equals “White Western Establishment”.
Quite what you mean by implying I’m tantamount to being a Zionist is unclear.
I goofed. I should have said, "Western Establishment” does not equal “white”.
"White" is simply not relevant as an indicator. What *is* relevant is your use of "entitled" and "establishment". What *is* relevant is, and has always been relevant, are sufficient combinations of things like wealth, high status, attractiveness, intelligence, social connections, access to technology, risk-proneness, and above all, psychopathy, to do evil things. That can concentrate in relatively *small* groups in various places at various times, in this case, it happened in Europe in for several most recent hundreds of years except the last.
That's what drove powerful people to do what you describe. Not whiteness -- whatever that is, beyond physical attributes of Caucasians. If it should clearly be placed geographically, then "European" is far more reasonable, and removes the irrelevant immutable identity marker.
Bono is a piece of shit.
"The journalists are Hamas, the hospitals are Hamas, the UN is Hamas, the peace activists are Hamas, the demonstrations are Hamas, telling the truth is Hamas, human empathy is Hamas, objective reality is Hamas. It’s all Hamas."
It is!! And Bono is truly a piece of shit for mentioning Hamas 14 times and not speaking out against Israel and its genocide for almost two years.
All praise to all the brave protesters who were arrested for standing up for Palestine (Action)! Bono could learn a lot about morality from them
So, I'm going to Hell for not supporting Israel's genocide? I guess I'd better pack some hot dogs and marshmallows because I'll go willingly to oppose these atrocities.
I always thought Bono was a pretentious piece of shit. He’s just demonstrated that below the surface, he’s an entire sewer full of turds.
Pretentious… perfect word to describe Bono, Clare. I once read that he couldn’t understand why the Catholic boys wanted to beat him up because he was a Proddie.
Wrong, Bono. It’s because you were and will always be an asshole.
You got it, darlin'. Never knew of any Catholic-Protestant rivalries in my neighborhood that led to fisticuffs on the basis of that inter-Christian disparity. The target of the beating was almost always the neighborhood's biggest asshole, religion notwithstanding.
He has caught the 'Zion-itis disease' A Zionist disease, and he is now seriously affected and afflicted with it ,as is most of Americas Israeli Zionist supporters ,it destroys your Moral Compass, Empathy, Spirituality and compassion, where you don't see ,and cant see everyone as HUMANS anymore and describe them as Animals ,Terrorist and more ,that is really more fitting and accurate of the Zionist murderers trying to wipe them out and call it 'Defending themselves' and Self Defense'
Why is Israel allowed to exist with all the awful things they have been doing to other Humans?
They have sanctioned and Bomb other states for a lot Less .Is it that we also have a totally immoral world?
I hate to think that, but from what we have seen the last 3 years and the reluctance from the International community to try and put even one Measly Sanction on these Zionist Genociders for numerous Human rights abuse an starvation ,and deliberate Murder of hungry Children trying to get food Killing and burying Aid workers in Vehicles and covering it up with Bulldozers ,Shooting kids in the head with snipers ,and numerous other disgusting Crimes and nothing is done to stop them leaves no doubt about what kind of world this has become and we are living in .
Its like the World have totally surrendered to the Genocidal ZIONIST ,who now run the show, and the fact is they have made Hitler and the Nazis seem like Boy Scouts
the people are generally quite alright. it's those that the rich chose to 'represent' and 'inform' the people who are totally inadequate and bad.
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Israel’s entitlement allows it to kill whom it pleases. Yet its iniquity is so intense that with every action it finalizes its own demise.
“Yet its iniquity is so intense that with every action it finalizes its own demise” …..can’t come soon enough…too late already…..
I look forward to the day Israel gets its comeuppance. I have no idea how it will look or if I will live long enough to see it but it will come. The voices of the slaughtered will be heard. And yes perhaps avenged.
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I sincerely hope that ALL who support - have supported - is-ray-hell....Israelis....
"Christians" [sic] anyone....I sincerely hope they soon settle in their true homeland, where they belong: the furthest reaches of hell.
What kind of God would expect you to commit genocide in order to reach salvation? Only one existing in their psychopathic and self-serving imagination?
Isn't it interesting the cognitive dissonance it takes to put those two things together. What kind of God would expect you to commit genocide in order to reach salvation?
Your question opens up a can of worms.
It causes one to take a look at the "God".... the "God' these folks worship and how is it that this "God" would support, approve and even "assist" in a genocide.
If you really, really want to know the answer.... well, that "God" said I have created man in my image...... That God killed a bunch of people, thousands maybe millions in the book that "God" speaks from.
The Paradox and contradiction of that "God" is in the Holy Book that that "God" speaks from.
He is great and powerful "God" who will destroy his enemies one and all through various means of which many were genocidal. Whole towns wiped out, whole nations wiped out by that "God" who created man in his image. Yet that same "God" seems to be merciful and willing to care for the meek and the innocent. Is this "God" schizophrenic? How does this "God" save a nation yet allow its only begotten son to die for sins yet to be committed?
I really think that we have to look at the socialization a belief system has on a people. If a person professes that their book is sacred, and that their God is "the" God of all, and then you further that with the believers wanting to be "like" their god or at least "children" of that God, well like they say, the apple doesn't fall that far away from the tree.
If a person worships a vengeful, genocidal "God" and then couples that with dogma about how merciful and gracious that "God" is, I can only surmise that it would have a tremendous psychological distortion for any individual who "worships" that "God". One thing that is for sure.... whoever worships "that" God will want desperately, to be "chosen" because when he loses his temper, all bets are off... I'm just saying.
Look at the logic, the self-regulatory sophistication of the biosphere [barring humans] the absence of any single species dominating and over-consuming or over-producing: production, consumption, recycling continual and balanced [if decoupled from human interference] -- those are the qualities one would expect from a brilliant god-like mind. But a god with human qualities -- a narcissist, greedy, angry, anthropomorphic god?? Awww shit, GTFOH, with that crap. Sorry Michelangelo, but that old a-hole you painted on the Sistine chapel ought to be nuked.
Vin Darlin’, it’s good to be Pagan 😉
Can say that again, Darlin'.
I'm an atheist. To your points about inconsistencies in "revealed" faith, one of the primary reasons for atheism was my realization that:
(1) if the (Abrahamic) God were truly as advertised -- all-powerful, all knowing, *and* all-loving -- none of this redemption rigamarole outlined over thousands of pages, with untold numbers of godmongers arguing with each other for thousands of years, would be necessary. He/She/They/It would instead endow all people with the knowledge and temperament necessary to behave as desired, and thus live happily forever in peace.
Instead, I'm confronted with endless questions about inexplicable inconsistencies and downright stupidities (to take a tiny number off the top of my head) such as: Why in the world did God create (supposed) "free will"? I mean, He could (and still can) create *anything* He wants, right? Is He a masochist? Such that for thousands of years now He is left biting His nails with worry and sadness, yet ironically ready to *torture* scads people in the afterlife for failing his Jesus-crucifixion payback test. Why does He even need this bean-counting, a God who has everything? Is He a sadist? And don't even get me started on the shit-in-your-face-level insult of the Doubting Thomas tale, or even better, "You must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" I mean, is comment even necessary here? The hucksters who wrote this were laughing in your faces, knowing what dupes most of us can be!! It simply leaves one screaming, "What is wrong with this picture? Why does this stuff even exist for supposedly sane people???" No, it's NOT that his intentions and desires are inscrutable -- he gave us (if you'll pardon the expressions) THE goddam MANUAL, for chrissakes! Etc., etc., etc. "But you can't fool all of the people, all of the time."
So.... instead,
(2) Occam's razor makes it clear to me that: The situation we find ourselves in, for thousands of years now with continually warring peoples, uses a bubble-gum & bailing-wire pasted-together Frankenstein's monstrosity of explanations, likely by dozens of (non-divine) people. That is, scripture didn't float down from heaven, perfectly organized, written by the fetal-soul of, say, Shakespeare in the The King's English (er, Aramaic), as one might expect a God worthy of the name to do. Hence, it is bound to include material that -- as you point out -- "would have a tremendous psychological distortion for any individual who 'worships' that 'God'". Nevertheless, societies need this (and can't make changes on the fly to "sacred scripture" without raising eyebrows) to keep the hoi polloi from freaking out, over the myriad modern (i.e. Agri Age onward) consequences of the much-longer-running evolution-developed general belief in the supernatural, originally to maintain mental health while their brains grew.
Tragic thing is, modern humans haven't found a superior substitute yet for supernatural beliefs, one that works for entire populations. So "revealed" religion is once again on the rise :/
Hi Anti-Hip
NATURE is the being you’re looking for.
i'm pretty convinced the hoi polloi doesn't need it at all, but it's pretty useful for those rich dudes.
The regular folks need *something*, or they'll regress (many, as I noted, with religion) ... and in any case most of us *will* rebel. That's a problem for the lazy-ass rich dudes who haven't come up with something yet...
So I'm afraid they're instead counting on (a) smothering most of us into compliance using sufficient A.I. (A.G.I. is not at all necessary), (b1) killing the uncooperative useless eaters with [nano]robots, diseases, etc. etc., and (b2) hiding in their bunkers until the smoke/fallout/etc. clears.
That one in the bible they consider holy. Tells you all you need to know about the corrupting power of religion.
When Palestine is rebuilt for Palestinians a great square will be constructed with a monument to all the the beautiful people who were murdered by the Israelis . It will stand forever and will be a reminder of the darkest days of humanity but also of the resolve of the Palestinians.
The Jews entered history as slaves making bricks in ancient Egypt. They can exit human history as naked, chain-gang slaves clearing the broken bricks from Palestine so that the rebuilding can begin.
Beautifully said Steven.
I’ll be there.
I'm half listening to the Australian PM announcing recognition of the Palestine at the United Nations in September. I'm pleased they've finally found some moral fortitude, but they still have to play the both sides argument with ultimately Hamas = evil, Israel right to exist.
So many innocents murdered in the name of settler colonialism.
So many weak Western leaders (I'm looking at you Albo and Wong).
So many reluctant to upset the US.
So many with blood on their hands.
Silence is complicity.
What is this September thing..............Macron also uses this date. Are they hoping all Palestinians will be gone by then and they don't have to do anything?
There’s UN meeting in September where they are all threatening to recognize Palestine. This is a last ditch effort to save Israel. It is clear to most ordinary people that there can only be one state - Palestine. This is an effort to again imbed the idea of a two state solution even though Zionists have made clear for over 100 years, they want only one state that encompasses all of Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, and parts of Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, and Turkey. It’s an expansionist, supremacist, modern Nazi movement that has to disappear.
Too little too late.
The world's media should have questioned everything said by Israel.
The leaders in the West should've had consciences long ago and stopped this horror from happening.
Maybe thousands of lives would not have been needlessly sacrificed.
Time is rapidly running out for Gaza and Palestine.
Too much silence. Too little action. Hang your heads in shame presidents and prime ministers.
Silence is complicity.
NEVER too late.
“So many reluctant to upset the US”. YES. The main reason - despite whatever they feel about its ‘leader’.
This planet sucks
Not the planet's fault! The planet has been royally f$ucked by humans, though she'll be fine once we're gone.
At this point in time, it’s entirely the human races fault for not having learned to reign in these psychopaths.
That’s why outer space is a vacuum.
I chuckled, but don’t quit your day job lol
I'm not sure it's true. Space is low density but also has other dense planets in it. And lots of dark energy opposing gravity.
I'm not sure that's true. Dark energy seems to oppose gravity and accelerate expansion of the universe away from earth.
Some absolute genius decided to start calling Israel's prime minister of Britain 'Sir Kid Starver'. 'Nobbo' admittedly conveys none of the contempt and disgust we should all feel for the odious self-idoliser Bono. Making up names for sewerage is obviously childish, and it may change nothing, but using words to capture the essence of a turd can be oddly satisfying.