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philistinie's avatar

“The rules based international order” allowed the creation of the Zionist State of Israel by giving the land of the original inhabitants to a a settler colonial entity and displacing the indigenous people out of their home land

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Kojo's avatar

Ahhhh that’s the point. It’s the international COLONIAL RULES-based order.

They just don’t want to advertise that one word.

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That0neGuy's avatar

Would you prefer it be called something more esoteric. Maybe like how ‘belt and road initiative’ just rolls off the tongue, yes?

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That0neGuy's avatar

Kudjoe goes into ‘bot’ box.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

The "rules based international order" was not promulgated until the last decade or so. It is an evolution of the slogans used by the American Oligarchy to impose their will on the entire world. They didn't "give" anything. They made up documents that made unjustifiable claims and wave those documents in front of us as if they have any meaning other than "We're going to kill Palestinians so we can continue our hegemony over the Middle East."

It's the Oligarchy.

It's the Oligarchy.

It's the Oligarchy.

It's the Oligarchy.

It's the Oligarchy.

It's the Oligarchy.

It's the Oligarchy.

Until we start recognizing the greed of the Oligarchy, we will be scattered in our response to the evil before us.

It is the capitalist system that is either being abused, or is directly responsible for these horrors. If we want another outcome, we have to recognize what is causing the horror we see before us. It is the greed of the New England Elites (more have joined that group). It is the "Powell Memo". It is the fraudulent nature of banking. It is the billionaires on the cover of Fortune Magazine.

Name Names or go home.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Yes, just as so many Israelis are brainwashed by Zionism, I fear so too are many people all over the world (and especially in Western countries) brainwashed by capitalism.

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That0neGuy's avatar

I don’t disagree. Name those names.

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Alicia Kwon's avatar

Okay, agree on the main point ,but they were not the original inhabitants though. That region has experienced tyranny in many forms over many millenia.

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philistinie's avatar

I guess the question is if a 75 year old history matters more than a three thousand year history?

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That0neGuy's avatar

Gus. That’s a fair question for an unfair world.

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Nod Dranoel's avatar

3000 years of nothing

Give our house back to the natives or they can bomb us?

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Levi Tate's avatar

Oct 7th was a false-flag. It took awhile for people to catch on to September 11th, even so, I didn't imagine that it would take this long for people to catch on to Oct 7th.

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Alicia Kwon's avatar

I'm going to write a short reflection on some aspects in a moment, but essentially it's about "Christian Discovery" which has been the basis for robbing indigenous people and removing all sovereignty from them.

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gypsy33's avatar

I loved it Alicia. Thanks for posting.

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Alicia Kwon's avatar

Not all Jewish people feel this way. Einstein fought against Israeli tyranny, for example. I'm with him. Read Whitney Webb's piece on Lesley Wexnor - the attempt to propaganda Jewish people has been going on as long as the one to propaganda good people into going along with stuff like masks etc.

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gypsy33's avatar

Jon, if only we were all pagan…

All this “god” nonsense wouldn’t exist.

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Richard's avatar

The rules based order has had Julian Assange imprisoned for speaking truth to power for many years. They are criminals of the highest order.

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Finn's avatar

Criminals have more honor, these people sacrifice their own via for example false flag attacks in order to accomplish the long term goals of empire.

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That0neGuy's avatar

The rules based order is not responsible for what’s happening to Assange. Criminals are responsible for operations between the lines of law in a situation designed to discourage REAL journalism and speaking truth to power.

The criminals responsible are in violation of the rules based order and should be held to account.

The order is not culpable.

Corruption within the bureaucracy and their paymasters are the source.

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The "rules based order" is a propaganda term. Those in charge do not follow the established rules, they simply claim to and many believe them.

We don't have a rules based order. If we did, Assange would not be in prison, we would not be supporting Israeli genocide, we would not be in Ukraine, and so much more. I think you see my point.

From Orwell: "First, corrupt the language. What follows naturally is corruption of thought processes." That's where we are at today. We have neither democracy nor rules based order. Our masters just keep repeating the lies, and some will believe them.

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That0neGuy's avatar

Gotcha so my question is if by propaganda term you mean something akin to the ‘belt and road initiative’ or a just blanket term to cover the injustice against Assange, Orwellian prophecy AND the various voluntary communication, language, and right of passage directives shared between international countries which have enabled global commerce for the past three quarters of a century?

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Richard's avatar

By 'propaganda term' I mean a term, a figure of speech, used by propagandists to manipulate the public perception, like what Bernays and Goebbels and so many other full time propagandists.

In this case the propagandists would have me believe that the US and other western governments operate in accordance with laws and rules, when in reality the exact opposite is the truth. They would have me believe that the 2020 election was fair and square, and that what happened on J6 was an insurrection. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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That0neGuy's avatar

Gotcha. I was just breaking balls and frankly share many of the opinions you mention. I became aware of incongruities a long time ago. Did a grip of discovery back in pre internet times. Those flip side facts I ranted about are unexpected truths which surfaced during some fairly recent projects. Weirdly they have provided me with some much needed balance to the undercurrents I can’t ever unsee... if that makes sense.

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Mike Hampton's avatar

For me, the case of Julian Assange is the epitome of everything wrong. Sure, I agree with everything Caitlin said, but Julian is the most visceral, an example of the length monsters will go to scare or destroy one of us..

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We The People's avatar

Without wars there would be no need for the Pentagon and the CIA so they have to ensure that war never ends. So far they have been very good at it...

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George Cornell's avatar

The US has been at war for 220 of the last 240 years. This is an incredible feat given that they’ve never been invaded! I believe the fatal development leading them now to swirl the American Standard was jettisoning the Bible and replacing its principles by the poisonous dictates of Edward Bernay’s “Propaganda “. Yet they continue to make the preposterous claim that they were still guided by the commandments of Christianity., aka the Rules based International Order, a noxious gas-filled ballon pricked by Caitlin.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Technically, the US was invaded during the War of 1812. The British burned down the White House in 1814. Too bad it was rebuilt.

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George Cornell's avatar

Thanks TRC. I was thinking of invasions as an explanation/mitigation/justification of having to go to war. I didn’t see 1812 as qualifying in those respects. Actually it could be argued that 1812 was just another war of aggression/acquisition with America claiming the British were arming the Natives to thwart westward expansion of God- sanctioned land thieving and Native/buffalo massacring. It became a theme.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

I see that theme. I also think the French and Indian War of the 1750s was essential in establishing the idea of "white settler superiority" forever in the minds of the colonists who would soon declare themselves independent of Great Britain. The French and Indian War (or Seven Years War as it's known in Europe) and the War of 1812 (The so-called "Second War of Independence") aren't taught enough in general history classes, IMO. Having been a re-enactor in that F& I period, it's rather sad how white Americans don't realize how their aggression against Native Americans began and for what reasons.

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Kojo's avatar

That’s like saying the Boers of South Africa or Zimbabwe were “invaded”.

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Mike Hampton's avatar

History is conquest. We just get more accept with what we can see than what we read in dusty books.

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We The People's avatar

The sheep used to worship god, now there are many gods, the government, the science, the vaccine. The sheep have been trained to attack any threat to their religion!

More here; https://truthaddict.substack.com/p/the-royal-navy-just-launched-its

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Mike Hampton's avatar

Religion is war, so I don;t see the incompatibility.

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dacoelec's avatar

Amen and Amen!!

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DomeLord's avatar

Yes, you're right. It was hammered into us throughout childhood. Why we had to endure the OT with all its mindless gore + selected Jewish legends has had me puzzled for quite a while. Slowly I've been able to throw those shackles off as the nature of the long game becomes apparent. The so-called Christian Zionists have their heads firmly inserted where the sun don't shine thanks to Scofield's 1917 Bible commentary. The Bible as a whole has spawned all sorts of big religious bu$ine$$e$ & other nefarious organisations. Difficult to see how Zen Buddhism for example could rival that.

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George Cornell's avatar

I think you’re being too harsh. I’m not touting the Bible and it has been used to justify all kinds of malfeasance. And I’m not saying it was original in all respects. And but the basic principles of morality and respect for your fellow man were admirably laid out.

Btw if people weren’t fighting about religion they’d be fighting about land, women, possessions and you name it.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hold the phone Che! Some of us ARE women! 😉

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gypsy33's avatar

Really BAD fiction, Gregor 😉

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Mike Hampton's avatar

Dumb sells.

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Manny's avatar

“The rules based international order” imposed more than 60 years of sanctions on Cuba.

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Kojo's avatar

Still imposed.

But no sanctions on Israel. In fact they gift money and weapons to Israel.

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Mo Mast's avatar

anarchy does not mean out of control. it means out of THEIR control

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denmla's avatar

“When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not Guilty'.” - Theodore Roosevelt

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos" - H.L. Mencken

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Dr.Who's avatar

And now the “rules-based international order” has Iran in its crosshairs. Brace for impact.

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jamenta's avatar

All these rules. I want to play some other game. Someone get me out of this madhouse!

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gypsy33's avatar

I have a Monopoly board Jamenta 🙂

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jamenta's avatar

Trying to snare me in with your Capitalism Gypsy! 0.o

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gypsy33's avatar

😂

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Morrigan Johnson's avatar

I am taking a side on the basis of truth. Sorry but if you haven't actually looked, then there's no basis to comment. Your opinion is worthless.

Russia is a socially conservative social democracy where the country's industry is nationalized, there is public healthcare, and fully funded education, and public works. There are elected communists without any real animosity or repression of the left wing in Russia. The communists actually support the SMO.

You need to educate yourself and keep reading.

https://kitklarenberg.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-coup-how-cia-front-laid?fbclid=IwAR2e3z2X8Ltc-zxOauIucI9-bSadRba6EwdiYaelG9gN2OeOdexQK4zjDxA&fs=e&s=cl

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Morrigan Johnson's avatar

Blame the actual empire. The only one in sight, and the only one who is existentially threatening the world is the US/NATO-Israel axis.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

There are no rules, there is no order, just the rage and chaos of a dying empire led by morons.

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Gavin Farrell's avatar

Led by psychopaths.

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Mike Hampton's avatar

Based on a true story, 'The Dumb Serial Killers of the Rules Based Order' is expected to become the biggest movie in Hollywood history. It's a comeback for Charlie Chaplin in the role of Anthony Blinken, and likely the first time a dead actor will win an Oscar. Meryl Streep is also a contender. When asked how she mastered the insanity of Victoria Nuland, she replied, "Character acting. I spent 40 days and 40 nights working in a Ukrainian slaughterhouse. The blood and guts was inspirational. I still smell Victoria."

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Kojo's avatar

The rule of debased transnational dis-order

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Selina Sweet's avatar

Thanks Caitlin. This is a keeper reference list for the comment sections of Robert Reich, Dan Rather's Steady, and Letters from an American. Somewhere I read (Mearsheimer?Hedges? Ritter?Prashad?) that Putin at one time advocated the notion of international law in place of the international rules based order. The USA nixed it.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

Earlier it also backed Suharto and Pol Pot among others. Read Vincent Bevin's book 'The Jakarta Method'.

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Gavin Farrell's avatar

The 'Rules Based Order' since 1945 has a body count over 20 million.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Rules-based International Order, the basis of today’s article by Caitlin, obviously draws its name from the following….rules-based , US rules based on their criminal, arrogant values, their "exceptional" self- description; international, meaning anywhere in the world; order, as the US determine it to be and as suits the Zionist Congress, militarists, bankers, MSM proprietors and BlackRock investor types. Those make up the power behind America today.

Election in 2024…same as before, no change expected.

A US description of anything it decides suits as the master race and one that they expect anyone and everyone to follow. Of course, subject to change as suits their ever-expanding military programs and proxy wars.

(Recent variation): NOTE: Does not apply to Israel who have their own rules which the US follows religiously called the Rules-based Middle Eastern Order supported by 400 nuclear warheads, "one or two" for every Arab capitol.

Just filling in some detail in case anyone has forgotten.

Proxy wars, Syrian war, every day stealing Syrian oil, the end of Libya and the death of Gaddafi…”we came, we saw, he died”; Iraq, deaths in the millions, torture activities in Iraq equalling anything seen before since the Third Reich, all actions based on a lie to the United Nations; Afghanistan, lies, corruption and ownership of the world’s heroin trade with a great embarrassment of turning on their tails and running away ; Julian Assange, dared to tell the truth about US crimes….still in prison thanks to Trump; 800 + military bases around the globe and more again on the increase in little Australia; Venezuela, tactics to bring them down as they have 1,000 years of oil reserves and the US only has 8 years; Yemen, starved 1.25 million people by blockading the ports all in conjunction the satanic Jews, the imperialist English, the French and others; elections interfered with everywhere using their dirty deeds department, the CIA, where required which included getting rid of an Australian Prime Minister in 1975; bases everywhere aimed at cornering China as NATO has tried to corner Russia with US direction, of course; the death of a democratically elected Present Allende in Chile with years of inhumane crimes to follow; Korea, Vietnam and on it goes. In fact, it has never stopped since 1945 and until someone stops the USA, every year that passes will add to the game continuing as it is today.

US rules, based on arrogant and hegemonic ambitions, the American 'master race' now in full step with'God’s chosen people’ in Israel. One as bad as the other.

Together though, a formidable foe against decency and any kind of future for world peace.

Yes, sadly, we have all known good, respected Jews, as has Caitlin as well. But for them, as with the greatest majority of people in the USA, it is far simpler and safer to go with the mob than display concern for others, present readers excepted.

Concern for others….those days are now gone. Quoting the late Kissinger, “To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.”.

He typified what precisely America has been for almost 75 years….an arrogant bully..

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Anarchist Buddhist's avatar

I agree that Bevins’ book ‘The Jakarta Method: Washington’s Anticommunist Crusade & the Mass Murder Campaign that Shaped Our World’ (New York: PublicAffairs/Hachette, 2020) is essential reading. Even if you think you understand what happened in Indonesia in 1965 (with U.S. government, military, and CIA backing) this book will shock you to the core. Bevins also illustrates how the “method” used in Indonesia in 1965 was used as a model for the right-wing in Chile in 1973. Bevins has been a reporter for the Financial Times, The Los Angeles Times, and the Washington Post. He speaks Indonesian, Portuguese, and Spanish -- a true journalist in my opinion.

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Hesperado's avatar

Ironically, this view indulges a paternalistic regard for the Indonesians, as though they are incapable of having home-grown corruption and tyranny on their own, but it must be imposed upon them by the Evil White West.

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Anarchist Buddhist's avatar

I did not reveal any particular “view.” The book ‘The Jakarta Method’ is filled with facts. You can read the book and then judge whether the author has a “paternalistic regard for Indonesians.” Nobody would dispute that there was “home-grown corruption” before 1965 under the leadership of Sukarno, especially in the military, which Sukarno could not control. But the real “tyranny” began in 1965 with a military coup lead by Suharto. The coup was clearly planned with the support of the CIA and the U.S. government and military. Between 500 thousand and a million people were slaughtered -- admittedly often chopped to pieces by machetes. Thousands more were put in concentration camps for years. Much of this historical information comes from U.S. State Department documents. Read the book -- be informed.

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Hesperado's avatar

The US opportunistically helping one side because it was perceived as anti-Communist and then that side through the psychopathology of its indigenous culture massacres people chopping them into pieces through the weird cultural phenomenon of "running amok" does not legitimize Western Leftists spinning it so that the Evil American Empire was directly responsible. You Leftists have a perverse habit of ignoring the brutality of non-Western cultures and obsessing about America and the White West in general.

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Anarchist Buddhist's avatar

You make a mistake by lumping me together with all Leftists. I spend little time “obsessing about America and the White West in general.” What I’ve worried about since the late 1960s is the U.S. government meddling in the affairs of other nations. This is what our founding fathers (Washington, Madison, et al) and John Quincey Adams warned against. The story of Indonesia in 1965 is a wee bit more complex than just “running amok.” In an interesting use of quasi-fascist mass psychological propaganda (which was brilliant in a twisted way), the military convinced the people to massacre one another. You need to read the book to understand this. It's fascinating and frightening.

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Hesperado's avatar

My problem with the radical Leftist critique of America is it ignores the Communist project of subversion throughout the 20th century (or worse, actually supports it), and thence fails to factor in the anti-Communist origins of the CIA & FBI, which we reasonably then infer implies a transformation of those institutions (and most other sociopolitical institutions as well) from anti-Communist to crypto-Communist saboteurs. I.e., at some point, the CIA & FBI (and most other sociopolitical institutions as well) were captured by Communists. The question is when this occurred. One complication to this question is that the "when" is likely not a specific moment in time, but an ongoing process which still is not complete now, but is on a trajectory toward success.

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Dadda's avatar

With its 800+ US bases it is actually the "Base Ruled International Order".

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Kojo's avatar

The International Base-Ruled Disorder ?

The debased international rule of disorder ?

The disorderly rule of international debasement?

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

"What kind of “rules” are we talking about exactly? And what kind of “order” do they sustain?"

Essentially there is only one important rule and it goes like this: Whatever the oligarchs/billionaires want, they will get, no matter how and no matter when and where.

And what order does this rule sustain? Why, it keeps the oligarchs/billionaires on top of the heap and keeps their heads on their shoulders. Should the rest of us ever figure out how overturn this rule and disorder the oligarchs' plans, then all humankind will know justice, equality and ultimately peace.

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Glenn Law's avatar

Whose bloody rules....??

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Yes, that is always my question.

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Jenny Tuffnell's avatar

The rules based international order will be the cause of WW3.

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Anarchist Buddhist's avatar

As it was the cause of WW1, the Treaty of Versailles (1919), and most wars after 1945.

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