In other words, the "Hunter Biden laptop is Russian Disinformation - Trust Us!" story was a conscious lie by those 51 much-hyped intelligence professionals, a lie told with the explicit goal of influencing the 2020 election.
EDIT: the conscious lie was by Blinken (currently US Secretary of State) and Morrell. The remaining signatories can claim plausible deniability. I thank Literal Mussolini, sincerely.
It appears so. They're really giving credence to the Trump supporters' cries of "The election was stolen!" Has any sitting official ever been tried and convicted of rigging their own election in the US? Besides maybe a local dogcatcher?
The language of the actual letter was really more: "We're fifty-one intelligence professionals and the laptop looks like Russian disinformation to us, but we've not actually investigated the matter."
However, the idea was that it would be reported as a conclusive determination by these people, and it was reported as such, at least in the MSM headlines. And Biden repeatedly presented it as such, including in a presidential debate.
But the actual wording was intended to give these fifty-one plausible deniability if the light was ever shined on the whole laptop coverup. The light is now being shined, and right on cue, they're claiming that they were misinterpreted. (Not that they spoke out to correct this when it was originally done.)
Point taken, and thank you. The conscious lie was on the part of Blinken and Morrell, certainly, while the other signatories can claim plausible deniability.
My reply was intended more as following your post deeper than suggesting a mistake in it. Actually, I think your edit is too easy on the other fifty. They put the letter out hoping it would be misconstrued in headlines and soundbites.* When it was, they didn't come out and forcefully correct the record.
So whether the letter was technically a "lie" seems a distinction without a difference. All the people signing it intended to deceive.
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* I think Biden himself misrepresenting the letter in the debate and speeches was probably a bonus, even though the letter was hatched by his campaign. Probably predictable though, given the big mouth and lack of concern for honesty of this guy.
I think I've heard this supposition before, but I'd forgotten about it, so maybe the plan is working (at least on me!).
Anyway, I'm a big believer in repeating things that I think need to be kept in mind, so that they don't slip down the old memory hole (where I'm sure a lot of people would like Hunter's antics, and what they might imply about his down, to go), so thanks again for your reply! I hope you have ample opportunity to discuss this further in future posts.
Thanks for the pull up and I wish I could. I don’t have any information about it but I remember watching the coverage on TV (before I cut the cable) and realizing that the coverage had the same “smell” as the Kennedy assassination coverage. And we all know who did that, even if they’ve buried the evidence for 50 years. The lying liars and the lying lies they tell always sound the same, whether it’s in Chile, Iraq or Ukraine. I bet you can just imagine what I think about Jeffery Epstein and the upper echelons of the Shitlib party! 🫢
"hoping it would be misconstrued in headlines and soundbites" - intending it would be so. This was an operation and the media was complicit. The mechanism has been documented by Frank Snepp and John Stockwell.
As Literally Mussolini says, it was ALL a conscious lie by everyone who signed. The signatories merely had a built-in CYA mechanism. But they all knew it was a lie.
This is one reason I am always astounded - and disgusted - when someone who absolutely knows about the lies and corruption of the Dems asks me if I will vote for what they assume is a more palatable politician. It is the Democratic Party that is corrupt, IMO, and once a politician disappears into its money maw, they are no longer effective at anything except fleecing their supporters. Actually, those who ask brightly if I would vote for a "progressive" Dem are more venal than the outright vote for the blue no matter who contingent. Oh, and signing on to or co-sponsoring progressive bills that will never ever even reach the floor, much less be voted on, and much MUCH less be passed (and then make it past Biden's veto) makes a politician pragmatic and pretty much deceitful, not progressive. All just campaign and fund-raising material, really. What actually happens is the only thing that counts. Our government is now, IMO, pretty much insulated and separated from the lives of its citizens.
And no, I will not vote for the GOP, either. Much as some try and make "voting" some sort of binary mandate, it is not.
"There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties."
“When I was a cadet, what’s the cadet motto at West Point? You will not lie, cheat, or steal or tolerate those who do. I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole.” — Mike Pompeo
The even deeper question is: Why would anyone believe what 50 intelligence officials say about anything?
I would also not believe anything I was told by 50 CDC officials, or 50 Senators, or 50 Pentagon officials, or 50 Facebook executives, or 50 MSNBC analysts, or 50 popes.
The Dems do honestly feel that lying and cheating and smearing. to achieve anything at all that they wish to do, is the correct thing to do. Lying during a campaign? They feel the end justifies the means. In everything. Same for the GOP, but then I was never going to vote for them in the first place.
Reality will hit the American public in the form of deprivation so acute it can no longer be sustained.. This is unfortunate, but seems the only possibility: under such circumstances the correct culprit becomes easy to identify: the guy who made deals with criminal elements in Ukraine to hide the corruption, including the firing of a prosecutor who was getting ready to lean on his son concerning his under-the- table arrangements with a corrupt oil company, Burisma, for which he received about $ I million year salary for doing nothing. Especially, nothing. "The Ruskies did it" seems less convincing when you're paying 4x more for gas, and prices have gone over the top. It's less convincing when leaked information indicates the $30 billion+ sent to Ukraine, 70% of which ended up in the pockets of Ukraine criminals, was paid out knowing it was a useless enterprise with no chance of winning the proxy war.
“…..Reality will hit the American public in the form of deprivation so acute it can no longer be sustained….”
Well no. The WEF has laid out the future. They will own no assets so nothing to worry about. And they will eat insect powder shakes, so they’ll be able to survive lower wages just fine.
And if you understand the American mentality then you’d also understand that they can withstand any hardship, as long as they are given a local minority scapegoat to step down on, And a foreign pantomime villain to rail against.
I'm still inclined to stick to my original view: most of the insects I encounter here are in my home - they spray everything like madmen here, in May, just before plants come out. I used to get annoyed at birds waking me at 5 AM, hundreds, singing away. Only birds I see or hear now are crows, and I'd gladly go back to being annoyed at 5 AM. Worms, you say? The soil everywhere is depleted of natural nutrients and polluted with poisonous chemicals, phosphates and chemical fertilizers. And I don't know how serious you are- I originally thought you were being sarcastic, but I really don't think insect shakes ( specially bred insects) will do the trick.
No, nothing but a complete change of system will avail.
Are you in the US, Doris? People in the US say I'm crazy when I say there are no more birds (no more insects, insecticides, herbicides, etc.). In France, as an avid naturalist, I have clearly noticed the decline in insects (not only bees) since I moved to the farm some 40 years ago. Followed by a decline in insectivores such as certain birds, bats, lizards, etc. I'm sure rodents are affected too, but I haven't been able to observe them.
I've always been charmed by birds' chirping to welcome the day (my erroneous interpretation) & miss them terribly.
Yes. The bugs and birds are going away. And we will too. But today I am enjoying watching a male Robin building his sweetheart a nest next to my bedroom window on the outdoor spotlight under the eaves. So much love and care going into every move. So much hope for his future family. Chokes me up. It’s so beautiful. I have to try protect them from a damn cat that prowls here at night. Hang some chimes from the bush next to the nest.
Human beings probably ate worms before they invented pork chops. I'm not talking about your little garden worms, I'm thinking of those big fat night-crawlers a foot long that come out to have sex on warm nights. A lot of meat on those babies! But you're probably right about the soil being too depleted to support many night-crawlers, and even if it isn't, it won't be long before capitalism corrupts them. They'll make fake ones out of plastic.
The American public HAS been suffering deprivation for decades. They live shorter, more brutal lives than any European. They have the #1 infant and mortality rates in all developed nations, the largest prison population, the largest homeless population, the sickest population, the saddest population, the lowest minimum wage in all developed nations, and the most bloated military in the galaxy.
They will not notice how bad things get if they cannot see it now.
I was raised in Europe and have lived in the US for about 42 years (with a three year break in Belize).
I know all this. But there is a breaking point. The French were eating grass, the peasantry paid for everything, everything was taxed: water sources, trees and forests, hunting, roads, alleys, fishing, etc., and their labour was forced on free days to build public roads; unmarried women with children were almost without exception forced into part time prostitution to survive, royals had the right to first sex with all women on their marriage - until the revolution and head rolling. There is always a breaking point.
One of the key objectives of Omali Yeshitela’s African People’s Party…is to stop the U.S. government from continuing both police abuse and mass incarceration of African Americans. And to get reparations for the descendants of victims of the US’s sordid history of slavery - a brutal regime of forced labour:
The U.S. has more prisoners than any other country, as measured in total number of prisoners and total percentage of its own citizens imprisoned. Uniformed officers of the state shoot to death several people daily. Most of them are dark skinned minorities, often African Americans.
Most of these African Americans are put into medieval prison in the US where they are forced to labour for many US companies for pennies per hour.
For this dissent against US govt abuse of African Americans..,,Yeshitella is being persecuted by the U.S. government
The same US govt that is critiquing China and even banning some Chinese products supposedly because of their claim that China is persecuting Uighur and supposedly for forced labour.
But in the US the U.S. government is sweeping an African American rights campaigner into prison.
And not even ONE major newspapers in the entire “western liberal,” world is willing to point out this rank hypocrisy.
I don't think hypocrisy can be used of the US government and ruling class. Hypocrisy is "the compliment which vice pays to virtue" and as such requires an ability to recognize virtue. We seem to be under a system where lying and its relatives are now the default mode of both thought and speech, and its inmates simply cannot recognize virtue because they don't belong to it in any way.
It's sad because the unwinding of such a system, such a polity, is usually very hard going for those who have to participate in it. Which might be me -- especially sad!
Good point! I never heard that about hypocrisy before. Thank you!
I have been more astonished with this round of national disinformation than even previous horrific ones around 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq. It’s been very effective to make Russia the boogey man, silence alt news outlets, link Putin to Trump,(why not to Hillary? They were actually best buds), and toss all this and more into a rinse and spin cycle that twists up the simplest minds into a frenzied froth of nonsense.
Take it out of the machine, I say, and hang it outside in the light of the sun (truth).
I thought Covid was bad and lost friends and family over it-by them dying or thinking it was a hoax. But this Russia/Ukraine thing is as existential a risk as abrupt climate change; how have people swallowed the official story hook line and sinker baffles me.
And now I am even more baffled to find MAGA nuts agreeing with me, though I doubt their questioning of the official narrative has much to do with their keen critical skills of analysis, and more to do with what their orange leader tells them to think.
It’s a strange new territory to be in. Neither left, nor right, nor center. Just observing from above the fray. Alone. Just as the Deep State wanted us to be: divided, confused, disempowered. Fuckin’ genius monsters.
As far as I'm concerned, Julian Assange, Ed Snowden, Chelsea Manning, and others like Dan Ellsberg are national heroes and should be treated as such...
Not even one of the gazillions of human rights organisations or NGOs that talk about Uighur has come out and complained either, about this African American rights campaigner being thrown up against the wall by the U.S. government on trumped up charges.
Not ONE.
But these same NGOs talk about Uighurs until the cows come home.
Yes, don't ever give the propagandists a hand. Don't ever concede their point or make it equal to the truth. They have enough help from the mainstream media and the Bureau of Disinformation. It's time We the People do their duty and take down the paid liars and fight for true freedom and democracy.
The most disheartening thing I experienced when I posted on Facebook about Ukraine was the sheer volume of people rushing to defend the propagandists and uncritically repeat their propaganda as if it were gospel
Unfortunately not, these were all real people. These (former) friends had no problem ignoring everything I was saying, telling me to stop spreading bullshit and referring me to endless BBC/RFE/Newsweek articles to 'prove' their point. I think the most disgusting were the concern trolls, e.g. "I'm sorry to hear that you're having trouble with reality right now, because I thought you were a good person"
I avoid talking about the war(s) generally. Certain of my relatives seem to insist, but I have a technique one might call crap-Socrates where I just ask questions which lead to the other party getting caught up in her or his contradictions and suspending the useless convo for awhile. So my friends remain my friends, insofar as I have any.
I could practice a similar technique with lovers of capitalism but most cap fans have learned to avoid me.
It's a good sentiment, but in speaking about Ukraine one comes up against the 'wall of propaganda', i.e. that people really do trust the MSM and believe that anything negative about Ukraine or positive about Russia is de facto Russian propaganda. Ultimately it's a wall that people have to take down for themselves
Lol Fascistbook is right. The best was an American Jewish guy who said that saying that Ukrainians were killing other Ukrainians was like saying the Jews did the Holocaust to themselves. And people agreed with him!
I long ago gave up having any faith in the integrity of any government. They haven't disappointed me since. Just made me mad enough to want to fight back.
“This is the dystopia you were warned about. A mind-controlled populace thinking, speaking, shopping, moving and voting in accordance with the will of the powerful. All that's left now is to secure the few dissidents on the fringes and keep bolstering the mind control matrix.”
The new Star Trek Picard depicts this dynamic. The Borg speak with one top down voice.
Blinken should be forced to resign for this corruption.
Although the US media has imposed a Hunter Biden-esque news blackout on this story, if the House Republicans were to hold hearings and call for Blinken's head, the media would be forced to cover this issue and in response to the outrage Biden would be forced to throw his buddy Blinken under the bus.
I dont think you understand. The entire top of the US “diplomacy” is senior three letter agency officials. These agencies are in part of the US military.
The idea that corrupt congressmen, who these spooks surveil 24-7-365, could ever remove these deep state people from their positions, is just totally unrealistic.
This is another of the hypocrisies that Caitlin didn’t mention: the US keeps running around trying to topple governments it claims are “autocratic”, meanwhile the US is not even a functioning democracy in any way. It’s basically run by the US equivalent of what in Russia would be the KGB, now FSB.
I fully understand - believe me, the so called "deep state" will throw individuals under the bus at the first hint of a threat. Blinken is a lightweight too. Jorden and Fox could oust him fairly easily if they mounted a campaign (Biden would ask him to leave to avoid further political embarrassment and make the story go away).
Bided, like Clinton the wife, is a shop window dummy that was openly approved by deep state. There is no one he will be forced to ditch. Any of these congress people that goes to far in contradicting the deep state will find themselves up on some charges, because they are all corrupt and yet under surveillance. So their secrets are easy for these people to pull out if they need to.
Blinker is going nowhere. Nuland is going nowherere. And last I heard Power had been sent to Hungary to begin stirring things up there.
The US is a thinly veiled military dictatorship. Its a joke for them to be criticising others about democracy.
“Some days I hate Republicans more than Democrats because while Democrats facilitate all the most murderous and destructive tendencies of the most powerful government on earth, Republicans do exactly the same thing while pretending they're a persecuted and disempowered group.”
In other words, the "Hunter Biden laptop is Russian Disinformation - Trust Us!" story was a conscious lie by those 51 much-hyped intelligence professionals, a lie told with the explicit goal of influencing the 2020 election.
EDIT: the conscious lie was by Blinken (currently US Secretary of State) and Morrell. The remaining signatories can claim plausible deniability. I thank Literal Mussolini, sincerely.
It appears so. They're really giving credence to the Trump supporters' cries of "The election was stolen!" Has any sitting official ever been tried and convicted of rigging their own election in the US? Besides maybe a local dogcatcher?
The language of the actual letter was really more: "We're fifty-one intelligence professionals and the laptop looks like Russian disinformation to us, but we've not actually investigated the matter."
However, the idea was that it would be reported as a conclusive determination by these people, and it was reported as such, at least in the MSM headlines. And Biden repeatedly presented it as such, including in a presidential debate.
But the actual wording was intended to give these fifty-one plausible deniability if the light was ever shined on the whole laptop coverup. The light is now being shined, and right on cue, they're claiming that they were misinterpreted. (Not that they spoke out to correct this when it was originally done.)
Point taken, and thank you. The conscious lie was on the part of Blinken and Morrell, certainly, while the other signatories can claim plausible deniability.
Fair statement?
Oh, you're welcome.
My reply was intended more as following your post deeper than suggesting a mistake in it. Actually, I think your edit is too easy on the other fifty. They put the letter out hoping it would be misconstrued in headlines and soundbites.* When it was, they didn't come out and forcefully correct the record.
So whether the letter was technically a "lie" seems a distinction without a difference. All the people signing it intended to deceive.
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* I think Biden himself misrepresenting the letter in the debate and speeches was probably a bonus, even though the letter was hatched by his campaign. Probably predictable though, given the big mouth and lack of concern for honesty of this guy.
I’m also convinced that the entire war in Ukraine is an attempt to cover up Hunter Bunter Biden’s nefarious (and stumble butt ) actions in Ukraine.
Thanks for pointing that out.
I think I've heard this supposition before, but I'd forgotten about it, so maybe the plan is working (at least on me!).
Anyway, I'm a big believer in repeating things that I think need to be kept in mind, so that they don't slip down the old memory hole (where I'm sure a lot of people would like Hunter's antics, and what they might imply about his down, to go), so thanks again for your reply! I hope you have ample opportunity to discuss this further in future posts.
Thanks for the pull up and I wish I could. I don’t have any information about it but I remember watching the coverage on TV (before I cut the cable) and realizing that the coverage had the same “smell” as the Kennedy assassination coverage. And we all know who did that, even if they’ve buried the evidence for 50 years. The lying liars and the lying lies they tell always sound the same, whether it’s in Chile, Iraq or Ukraine. I bet you can just imagine what I think about Jeffery Epstein and the upper echelons of the Shitlib party! 🫢
"hoping it would be misconstrued in headlines and soundbites" - intending it would be so. This was an operation and the media was complicit. The mechanism has been documented by Frank Snepp and John Stockwell.
Well, I certainly do not want to give Security State nuthangers any cheap talking points, and I always seek to clarify and sharpen my own thoughts.
As Literally Mussolini says, it was ALL a conscious lie by everyone who signed. The signatories merely had a built-in CYA mechanism. But they all knew it was a lie.
This is one reason I am always astounded - and disgusted - when someone who absolutely knows about the lies and corruption of the Dems asks me if I will vote for what they assume is a more palatable politician. It is the Democratic Party that is corrupt, IMO, and once a politician disappears into its money maw, they are no longer effective at anything except fleecing their supporters. Actually, those who ask brightly if I would vote for a "progressive" Dem are more venal than the outright vote for the blue no matter who contingent. Oh, and signing on to or co-sponsoring progressive bills that will never ever even reach the floor, much less be voted on, and much MUCH less be passed (and then make it past Biden's veto) makes a politician pragmatic and pretty much deceitful, not progressive. All just campaign and fund-raising material, really. What actually happens is the only thing that counts. Our government is now, IMO, pretty much insulated and separated from the lives of its citizens.
And no, I will not vote for the GOP, either. Much as some try and make "voting" some sort of binary mandate, it is not.
"There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties."
Gore Vidal
Exactly and no one goes to jail unless you are a proper journalist!
“When I was a cadet, what’s the cadet motto at West Point? You will not lie, cheat, or steal or tolerate those who do. I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole.” — Mike Pompeo
The even deeper question is: Why would anyone believe what 50 intelligence officials say about anything?
I would also not believe anything I was told by 50 CDC officials, or 50 Senators, or 50 Pentagon officials, or 50 Facebook executives, or 50 MSNBC analysts, or 50 popes.
Or 1 Democrat President I mean, resident.
This is perfectly legal. US politics is a right-to-lie zone.
Both JFK and LBJ based their campaigns on lies. I could go on...
The Dems do honestly feel that lying and cheating and smearing. to achieve anything at all that they wish to do, is the correct thing to do. Lying during a campaign? They feel the end justifies the means. In everything. Same for the GOP, but then I was never going to vote for them in the first place.
Reality will hit the American public in the form of deprivation so acute it can no longer be sustained.. This is unfortunate, but seems the only possibility: under such circumstances the correct culprit becomes easy to identify: the guy who made deals with criminal elements in Ukraine to hide the corruption, including the firing of a prosecutor who was getting ready to lean on his son concerning his under-the- table arrangements with a corrupt oil company, Burisma, for which he received about $ I million year salary for doing nothing. Especially, nothing. "The Ruskies did it" seems less convincing when you're paying 4x more for gas, and prices have gone over the top. It's less convincing when leaked information indicates the $30 billion+ sent to Ukraine, 70% of which ended up in the pockets of Ukraine criminals, was paid out knowing it was a useless enterprise with no chance of winning the proxy war.
“…..Reality will hit the American public in the form of deprivation so acute it can no longer be sustained….”
Well no. The WEF has laid out the future. They will own no assets so nothing to worry about. And they will eat insect powder shakes, so they’ll be able to survive lower wages just fine.
And if you understand the American mentality then you’d also understand that they can withstand any hardship, as long as they are given a local minority scapegoat to step down on, And a foreign pantomime villain to rail against.
Well, you might have a point: insect powder shakes- how many flavours?
There are a lot of different breeds and species of insects -- a _lot_. And while you're counting, don't forget other edibles like worms.
I'm still inclined to stick to my original view: most of the insects I encounter here are in my home - they spray everything like madmen here, in May, just before plants come out. I used to get annoyed at birds waking me at 5 AM, hundreds, singing away. Only birds I see or hear now are crows, and I'd gladly go back to being annoyed at 5 AM. Worms, you say? The soil everywhere is depleted of natural nutrients and polluted with poisonous chemicals, phosphates and chemical fertilizers. And I don't know how serious you are- I originally thought you were being sarcastic, but I really don't think insect shakes ( specially bred insects) will do the trick.
No, nothing but a complete change of system will avail.
Are you in the US, Doris? People in the US say I'm crazy when I say there are no more birds (no more insects, insecticides, herbicides, etc.). In France, as an avid naturalist, I have clearly noticed the decline in insects (not only bees) since I moved to the farm some 40 years ago. Followed by a decline in insectivores such as certain birds, bats, lizards, etc. I'm sure rodents are affected too, but I haven't been able to observe them.
I've always been charmed by birds' chirping to welcome the day (my erroneous interpretation) & miss them terribly.
Yes. The bugs and birds are going away. And we will too. But today I am enjoying watching a male Robin building his sweetheart a nest next to my bedroom window on the outdoor spotlight under the eaves. So much love and care going into every move. So much hope for his future family. Chokes me up. It’s so beautiful. I have to try protect them from a damn cat that prowls here at night. Hang some chimes from the bush next to the nest.
I wish owners hung bells on their cats.
Human beings probably ate worms before they invented pork chops. I'm not talking about your little garden worms, I'm thinking of those big fat night-crawlers a foot long that come out to have sex on warm nights. A lot of meat on those babies! But you're probably right about the soil being too depleted to support many night-crawlers, and even if it isn't, it won't be long before capitalism corrupts them. They'll make fake ones out of plastic.
We share a contempt for capitalism.
Well, there has been an insect apocalypse, so even the bugs are going away. Our own days are numbered.
The American public HAS been suffering deprivation for decades. They live shorter, more brutal lives than any European. They have the #1 infant and mortality rates in all developed nations, the largest prison population, the largest homeless population, the sickest population, the saddest population, the lowest minimum wage in all developed nations, and the most bloated military in the galaxy.
They will not notice how bad things get if they cannot see it now.
I was raised in Europe and have lived in the US for about 42 years (with a three year break in Belize).
These people are numb.
I know all this. But there is a breaking point. The French were eating grass, the peasantry paid for everything, everything was taxed: water sources, trees and forests, hunting, roads, alleys, fishing, etc., and their labour was forced on free days to build public roads; unmarried women with children were almost without exception forced into part time prostitution to survive, royals had the right to first sex with all women on their marriage - until the revolution and head rolling. There is always a breaking point.
“It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.” -Voltaire
It is Always dangerous to be right. Hence the saying, "He who tells the truth best have a foot in the stirrup."
One of the key objectives of Omali Yeshitela’s African People’s Party…is to stop the U.S. government from continuing both police abuse and mass incarceration of African Americans. And to get reparations for the descendants of victims of the US’s sordid history of slavery - a brutal regime of forced labour:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_People%27s_Socialist_Party
https://apspuhuru.org/about/platform/
The U.S. has more prisoners than any other country, as measured in total number of prisoners and total percentage of its own citizens imprisoned. Uniformed officers of the state shoot to death several people daily. Most of them are dark skinned minorities, often African Americans.
Most of these African Americans are put into medieval prison in the US where they are forced to labour for many US companies for pennies per hour.
For this dissent against US govt abuse of African Americans..,,Yeshitella is being persecuted by the U.S. government
The same US govt that is critiquing China and even banning some Chinese products supposedly because of their claim that China is persecuting Uighur and supposedly for forced labour.
But in the US the U.S. government is sweeping an African American rights campaigner into prison.
And not even ONE major newspapers in the entire “western liberal,” world is willing to point out this rank hypocrisy.
I don't think hypocrisy can be used of the US government and ruling class. Hypocrisy is "the compliment which vice pays to virtue" and as such requires an ability to recognize virtue. We seem to be under a system where lying and its relatives are now the default mode of both thought and speech, and its inmates simply cannot recognize virtue because they don't belong to it in any way.
It's sad because the unwinding of such a system, such a polity, is usually very hard going for those who have to participate in it. Which might be me -- especially sad!
Well put on the default mode - its just lies and gaslighting everywhere. And people actually support it.
Good point! I never heard that about hypocrisy before. Thank you!
I have been more astonished with this round of national disinformation than even previous horrific ones around 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq. It’s been very effective to make Russia the boogey man, silence alt news outlets, link Putin to Trump,(why not to Hillary? They were actually best buds), and toss all this and more into a rinse and spin cycle that twists up the simplest minds into a frenzied froth of nonsense.
Take it out of the machine, I say, and hang it outside in the light of the sun (truth).
I thought Covid was bad and lost friends and family over it-by them dying or thinking it was a hoax. But this Russia/Ukraine thing is as existential a risk as abrupt climate change; how have people swallowed the official story hook line and sinker baffles me.
And now I am even more baffled to find MAGA nuts agreeing with me, though I doubt their questioning of the official narrative has much to do with their keen critical skills of analysis, and more to do with what their orange leader tells them to think.
It’s a strange new territory to be in. Neither left, nor right, nor center. Just observing from above the fray. Alone. Just as the Deep State wanted us to be: divided, confused, disempowered. Fuckin’ genius monsters.
As far as I'm concerned, Julian Assange, Ed Snowden, Chelsea Manning, and others like Dan Ellsberg are national heroes and should be treated as such...
Not even one of the gazillions of human rights organisations or NGOs that talk about Uighur has come out and complained either, about this African American rights campaigner being thrown up against the wall by the U.S. government on trumped up charges.
Not ONE.
But these same NGOs talk about Uighurs until the cows come home.
"Don't do their job for free."
Yes, don't ever give the propagandists a hand. Don't ever concede their point or make it equal to the truth. They have enough help from the mainstream media and the Bureau of Disinformation. It's time We the People do their duty and take down the paid liars and fight for true freedom and democracy.
The most disheartening thing I experienced when I posted on Facebook about Ukraine was the sheer volume of people rushing to defend the propagandists and uncritically repeat their propaganda as if it were gospel
A lot of them may have been bots running scripts, not people.
Unfortunately not, these were all real people. These (former) friends had no problem ignoring everything I was saying, telling me to stop spreading bullshit and referring me to endless BBC/RFE/Newsweek articles to 'prove' their point. I think the most disgusting were the concern trolls, e.g. "I'm sorry to hear that you're having trouble with reality right now, because I thought you were a good person"
I avoid talking about the war(s) generally. Certain of my relatives seem to insist, but I have a technique one might call crap-Socrates where I just ask questions which lead to the other party getting caught up in her or his contradictions and suspending the useless convo for awhile. So my friends remain my friends, insofar as I have any.
I could practice a similar technique with lovers of capitalism but most cap fans have learned to avoid me.
It's a good sentiment, but in speaking about Ukraine one comes up against the 'wall of propaganda', i.e. that people really do trust the MSM and believe that anything negative about Ukraine or positive about Russia is de facto Russian propaganda. Ultimately it's a wall that people have to take down for themselves
Yes. It’s gagging! I have a permanent sneer on my face for FascistBook.
Lol Fascistbook is right. The best was an American Jewish guy who said that saying that Ukrainians were killing other Ukrainians was like saying the Jews did the Holocaust to themselves. And people agreed with him!
It’s very discouraging to those of us value integrity in government.
I long ago gave up having any faith in the integrity of any government. They haven't disappointed me since. Just made me mad enough to want to fight back.
“This is the dystopia you were warned about. A mind-controlled populace thinking, speaking, shopping, moving and voting in accordance with the will of the powerful. All that's left now is to secure the few dissidents on the fringes and keep bolstering the mind control matrix.”
The new Star Trek Picard depicts this dynamic. The Borg speak with one top down voice.
"believe Putin invaded Ukraine completely unprovoked, solely because he is evil and hates freedom"
No that was Saddam. Putin has an insane plan to revive the USSR.
How do we know he's insane? Because he has this plan. How do we know he has this plan? Because he's insane.
Condoleeza? Is that you?
So I should have become a communist to be good in bed? Now you tell me??
Equity of orgasms.
Hey, it's great being a Red in Bed! LOL!!!!
I think she means a literal red flag that Guevarists are flaunting around lately in this case not the stalkery kind
So that's what "workers of the world, unite" really means.
Marxist dating : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EUApgdncsQ
Lies, Damn Lies, and US “Democracy”
Point 2 translates as: US intelligence agencies will rig any election foreign or domestic.
Blinken should be forced to resign for this corruption.
Although the US media has imposed a Hunter Biden-esque news blackout on this story, if the House Republicans were to hold hearings and call for Blinken's head, the media would be forced to cover this issue and in response to the outrage Biden would be forced to throw his buddy Blinken under the bus.
I dont think you understand. The entire top of the US “diplomacy” is senior three letter agency officials. These agencies are in part of the US military.
The idea that corrupt congressmen, who these spooks surveil 24-7-365, could ever remove these deep state people from their positions, is just totally unrealistic.
This is another of the hypocrisies that Caitlin didn’t mention: the US keeps running around trying to topple governments it claims are “autocratic”, meanwhile the US is not even a functioning democracy in any way. It’s basically run by the US equivalent of what in Russia would be the KGB, now FSB.
Democracy my….
I fully understand - believe me, the so called "deep state" will throw individuals under the bus at the first hint of a threat. Blinken is a lightweight too. Jorden and Fox could oust him fairly easily if they mounted a campaign (Biden would ask him to leave to avoid further political embarrassment and make the story go away).
You also mischaracterize Caitlin's work.
Bided, like Clinton the wife, is a shop window dummy that was openly approved by deep state. There is no one he will be forced to ditch. Any of these congress people that goes to far in contradicting the deep state will find themselves up on some charges, because they are all corrupt and yet under surveillance. So their secrets are easy for these people to pull out if they need to.
Blinker is going nowhere. Nuland is going nowherere. And last I heard Power had been sent to Hungary to begin stirring things up there.
The US is a thinly veiled military dictatorship. Its a joke for them to be criticising others about democracy.
“Some days I hate Republicans more than Democrats because while Democrats facilitate all the most murderous and destructive tendencies of the most powerful government on earth, Republicans do exactly the same thing while pretending they're a persecuted and disempowered group.”
Democrats played this card under il Bush Duo
Under Bush? I mean yes, but... Trump much? 'The Resistance'?! It's just Uniparty kayfabe while no one questions foreign policy
Why would we believe Morell any more than any other lying CIA operative?