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miggety's avatar

“Over 100 Australian lawyers referred Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to the International Criminal Court as an accomplice to the genocide in Gaza on the basis of his military, intelligence, and political support for the zionist entity under Article 15 of the Rome Statute.

Albanese is the first western leader to be referred to the ICC for being an "accessory to genocide." Australia has provided F-35 warplane parts and military intelligence to the zionist entity since October. Albanese also froze $6 million to UNRWA and deployed Australian military to the region without disclosing their location or role.”

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Please send some of those Australian lawyers over to the US so they can help the local lawyers to gain the same backbone and refer Genocide Joe Biden to the ICC as an accomplice to genocide in Gaza.

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miggety's avatar

my thoughts exactly. there was some similarly good news this evening out of the US, though- 100 military personnel, inspired by Aaron Bushnell’s selfless action, wrote an anonymous letter calling out the evils of the IDF and that the US cease it’s complicity in the genocide.

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David Avenell's avatar

There is also good news from Britain with George Galloway winning a thumping victory having run a very pro - Palestine campaign.

There may be some light at the end of the tunnel, Hopefully, it's not a train coming.

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miggety's avatar

celebrate the wins!!!

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David Avenell's avatar

Oh I am and I'm not even in Britain, but it does look like the Empire is fraying around the edges and rotting from the inside.

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miggety's avatar

oh heck yeah I love to see it. I’ve really enjoyed seeing Galloway speak, he’s awesome.

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ChazLB's avatar

Not fast enough for me

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gypsy33's avatar

I was so pleased to hear this, Dave…did you see his victory party? 🙂

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Susan T's avatar

miggety: really nice to hear that other US soldiers have done that. It is a speck of hope in a big pile of shit

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miggety's avatar

no doubt.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Far better if we could get someone to charge the Biden Administration under 18 U.S. Code § 1091, which is the domestic version of the Genocide Convention. This needs to be done now, and also if, and whenever any of his administration leave office.

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Tara Perrot's avatar

And to Canada

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Jeano's avatar

In case you didn’t notice, lawyers for the Center For Constitutional Rights sued Bidip a month ago in the 9th Circuit for failing to prevent genocide. What have you done?

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jamenta's avatar

In case you didn't notice ...

Lawyers are at your service in the US ... as long as you have a wallet the size of Fort Knox.

Lawyers are great - if you got the money. So what bank did you rob recently to hire a lawyer?

Talk about living in an Elite rich white man's bubble ...

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miggety's avatar

no need to get aggro. we’re all traumatized and hoping for an end to this genocide, contributing in our own ways as we’re able.

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Jeano's avatar

Sorry this ended up with you. It was meant for Revolution, dissing American lawyers having no backbone. Substack does a very poor job of positioning comments.

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miggety's avatar

it’s pretty rare you see someone getting offended on behalf of a lot as lowly regarded as lawyers. I take it you are one? Or are married to one? Regardless, I think the sentiment of the criticism is understandable me, especially when applied more broadly to the entirety of American society and our relative lack of any actual meaningful action to combat the genocide save for protests and vigils.

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jamenta's avatar

Jeano is a sensitive type. Has a hard time handling even the most feather weight of criticisms. Comes along with her oversized ego the size of Texas - which is often the case with lawyers.

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Jeano's avatar

O man. Not only a migit but a fool. I should have known. 🤢🤮

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

The problem with that case is that it is under civil law and ran into the well-established judicial principle of "Political question." This case is on appeal. You can watch the case online. One thing that struck me was the statement by the State Department attorney, that the US has brought the Genocide convention into US Law as a criminal statute. I found that statute, 18 U.S. Code § 1091. Now how do we get our officials to enforce it? I am asking this question everyday on every platform. The more who also are seeking how to do this, the better chance we have of finding the answer. I think attempts at citizens' arrests could be an effect way to bring more attention, even if unsuccessful.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

That's what I thought too! Where in do citizens rights lay when governing has become corrupt! We should be able to start a separate government and issue warrants for the guilty!

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gypsy33's avatar

Love that idea, CC!

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hierochloe's avatar

"In case you didn’t notice" that's just it, this shit is buried so deep one would need a colonoscopy to discover it happened - quite fitting under this article. not trying to come after you by pointing this out, just sayin'

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Susan T's avatar

lets hope that some of the others who are complicit in the murders that are happening also are referred to the ICC. Like the US, Canada and England

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Elisabeth's avatar

The ICC is a hopeless case (look at their track record!), the ICTY and ICTR almost always only went after the 'right' culprits ... (too much pressure from you know who!)

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Susan T's avatar

Well, they did go after Israel. So maybe just almost hopeless. They have no way to impose their rulings given that the 'right' culprits have no intention of listening to them or helping to ensure that their rulings are followed.

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ATM's avatar

They "went after" but what did they really accomplish other than absolving them?

It was all a preordained cover story. Found innocent!

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Susan T's avatar

What would have made you believe it was not a preordained cover story?

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ATM's avatar

You said they "went after them". They really don't go after anyone in the West. They are all part of the same cabal.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Hello miggety, thank you for letting us know. This is more than great. Albanese and Penny Wong completely lost me when they without any consideration for the starving Palestinians, cut off the last lifeline of funds to UNRWA and still keep on aiding the Israelis to use food and medicines as a weapon in their genocidal war.

Wish we too as ordinary citizens and human beings can sign off somewhere in protest of this most inhuman act.

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miggety's avatar

live your life in such a way as to protest against this inhumanity by serving others around you with love! we all can find our own way to contribute towards the ending of the occupation and this terrible genocide.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Heartwarming, but laws are meaningless if nobody will enforce them.

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Lynne's avatar

completely deserved. The man has been a massive disappointment and discredit to his humble background and persona. The politician moved in and ate his soul.

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David Avenell's avatar

I think Albo, like those before him is mostly interested in holding the top job long enough to get a Prime Ministers pension and all the perks that go with it.

The last person in the job with any convictions or balls, was Gough Whitlam, but he might have been been before your time.

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Lynne's avatar

yes, Gough was a true humanist amd man of intelligence and courage, the reason the US had to get rid of him!

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David Avenell's avatar

Gough also supported true Australian sovereignty and independence and demanded greater Australian access to Pine Gap, a major nuclear target in the middle of our country. But of course, the Amerikan Empire wasn't having that.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Let's hope he has it long enough to get Julian Assange back to Australia, and kept safe.

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ChazLB's avatar

What's wrong with guilitines ?

Ah,,right! ,no one but they have the stumach for it.

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ATM's avatar

Au Contraire! I have the blueprints but just need someone handy to start helping me erect them. The glorious howls of the crowds are they yell for their heads will be the music to the ears of free peoples everywhere.

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gypsy33's avatar

Chaz, hubby is an exceptional woodworker; he could get to work on one…

And coincidentally I’m a talented basket weaver ( for all those heads!)

😁

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ChazLB's avatar

"Russian bot" should be the test subject

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gypsy33's avatar

😂

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Feral Finster's avatar

Not because I am so bloodthirsty, but because sociopaths learn only from reward and punishment.

But they do learn.

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ChazLB's avatar

I don't think they learn shit...they pretend to till the next opertunity

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Feral Finster's avatar

I wouldn't underestimate them.

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ChazLB's avatar

I'm doing the oposite of that...I estimate sociopaths don't learn what you want...they only learn to get better at it...that's why we need guilitines ,,it's a more permanent solution.

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Feral Finster's avatar

They do learn fear.

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gypsy33's avatar

Feral, sociopaths don’t learn. There is no cure for sociopathy.

Except for a firing squad.

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Feral Finster's avatar

They can learn fear.

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gypsy33's avatar

And it’s up to us to instill that fear in them Feral.

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ATM's avatar

The ICC is part of the evil cabal. They won't do shit.

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Susan T's avatar

I have started re-reading 1984 by George Orwell, having read it many years ago. It is frighteningly like what you describe in your article, Caitlin, and frighteningly like what we are all going through right now. Big Brother is even referred to as B.B. Remind you of anyone? Someone, somewhere said "the only thing worse than the world ending, is the world ending without a struggle". Let's all keep up the struggle. (and if anyone knows who said that, I would like to know. I can't find that quote online)

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Feral Finster's avatar

There is a meme, showing a Venn Diagram between "1984", "Fahrenheit 451" and "Brave New World".

In the intersection of the Venn Diagram are the words "We Are Here".

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ChazLB's avatar

I have said it many times it's a combination of the two but now I add in the films the matix and idiocracy, with a sprinkle of every distopion film made sins.

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Susan T's avatar

I'm going to read them all. It is oddly comforting to read these prophetic books. I have read Brave New World, but a very long time ago.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

You might also want to read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky and other great socialists. You might want to study history a little more assiduously. Read Oscar Wilde's "The Soul of Man Under Socialism". Read William Morris. Hell, read Mark Twain's War Prayer. Study serious historians like Glenn Diesen in our own time.

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ChazLB's avatar

Most people only know about any of it from some second hand opinionated propagandists then really attempting to understand the complexity of humans trying to find ways of governing themselves fairly..

Today all that is simply thrown out the window for making a holly dollar off death suffering and war.

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gypsy33's avatar

Would love to see that Feral… have you a link?

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gypsy33's avatar

Thanks Feral…. Awesome. Like a lot of people ( and cats) I read those books many years ago. Time to give ‘em another go.

Aldous Huxley was a big cat lover btw 😉

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Feral Finster's avatar

"Aldous Huxley was a big cat lover btw 😉"

Makes sense.

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Rafe Husain's avatar

If 200 starving dogs were baited by food and then executed by china US and Western media would cover it to no end. Animal rights, animal cruelty Chinese dont value life like West, inscrutable eastern mindset unlike the modern western humane mindset which extends to even animals etc etc. But starving Muslims gathered for food and then executed not a word. Not a word from saudi from sisi from uae or from West.

Never again means never mind

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Aleta W.'s avatar

You are absolutely correct. The U.S. is really messed up.

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Edijal Lowley's avatar

They are not starving Muslims but starving people! Starving Palestinians. You have to understand that the issue of Palestine isn’t a Muslim issue. It is a humanity issue, ethnic cleansing of the most horrendous type I order to acquire the land and rewrite history.

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Rafe Husain's avatar

99% of the dead are muslims. either way its a genocide

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Edijal Lowley's avatar

Boss, we can’t be splitting hairs between ourselves.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Rafe

I’ve said it before: if the Ziopaths were bombing animal shelters, there would be an outcry such as the world has never known. But people? Meh.

I just watched a video of starving cats in Gaza because they no longer have owners to feed them. 😢

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Ahnaf Ibn Qais's avatar

The Zionist entity seems to think this strategy of 'MSM Information Blockade' will save them... however, the Info Blockade was broken long ago by Fair-minded people of Faith (& no Faith) willing, ready & able to make it known worldwide that Genocide & Ethnic Cleansing is happening LIVE as we speak... so this strategy is DOA. What remains is for Men of the Resistance on the Ground to Repel the Zionist invaders from their Lands using all Kinetic Means at their disposal.

Inshallah/God Willing, we shall see this Vile Apartheid entity meet its Ignoble end Soon!

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(For those interested)

If you wish to read (& listen!) to more of My commentary, here is my Main Stack:

https://thefallofthewest.substack.com

Thank You Kindly to everyone!

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gypsy33's avatar

Glad to see the incredible Hout’hi doing their part!

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ChazLB's avatar

Yeah i don't know about that...the information war and censorship is waged by the same MIC mafia and establishment boot lickers ...all the social media platforms are highly controlled curated and managed to strip the general public of any real honest information of what is actually going on to shove the main stream right into their checked out faces .. They buy a phone preinstalled with establishment main stream propaganda news systems already shoving the bull shit first in any feeds and searches to be shoved right down into their easily manipulated brain stems... get out of this community bubble and talk to people and all you can do is shake your head how lost in the sea of bull shit they are... I'm surprised so many are waking up though still..

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Peter Giaschi's avatar

Dear Caitlin: I'm not a wealthy person. I've managed to send a bit this month, and I will again in April. My failure to provide substantial support aside, please know that your work is vital, and keeps me, at least, somewhat oriented. Keep going. And thank you.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

So true.

I got onto Substack close to October 7th, 2023, and the genocide Israel is committing against Gaza is all I can bring myself to write about.

It's appalling that our governments are sending money and weapons to Israel, and then pretending that they're made at Netanyahu.

Today I was thinking there's so much more to me than the genocide in Gaza, but I can't bring myself to write about anything else.

Thanks so much for posting this important article, Caitlin. It's so important that the constant discouragement to look at what's going on in Gaza is called out for what it is.

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Lynne's avatar

100% agree!

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Tara Perrot's avatar

I feel exactly the same, Diana. I have to force myself to write about what I intended to because it all seems so trivial in comparison.

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Realist's avatar

"And most are obeying this command. Society’s still puttering along like everything’s fine and normal. The shows, events, social engagements and small talk is all still happening in more or less the same way it was happening on October 6 2023. Attention is going everywhere but to the screaming, hemorrhaging elephant in the room."

Yes, insouciance is the order of the day. The United States is controlled by avaricious megalomaniacs. Yet, people want to avoid being bothered by facts.

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Feral Finster's avatar

All systems eventually come to be ruled by sociopaths, because sociopaths are the people who will do whatever it takes to get power.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Or maybe it's fear and hatred of Muslims.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I don't know? How many of us in the states or Australia can possibly be hating them? Since I am ex military I have spent years in the middle east and Africa. Seems to me people are people everywhere and now have the same criminal Sociopaths controlling them. There seems to be something else going on here like this dumbing down of IQ's in the US from Fluoride in the water. While you and I can't see going to a party at this stage others could give a shit and go even though the world's on fire!

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gypsy33's avatar

It’s good to have a well, CC!

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russian_bot's avatar

"of IQ's in the US from Fluoride in the water" - as I understand fluoride is not used in Europe. And see how much smarter they are.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

From what I see in Germany and the UK they seem to have more people in the streets than in the US but to what extent are the Middle Eastern immigrants the cause of that?

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ATM's avatar

People in Europe are more ignorant that Americans on lots of things. It has nothing to do with fluoride but generations of media and gov schooling.

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russian_bot's avatar

"more ignorant that Americans" that's my experience as well, so maybe they need some fluoride in their water per CarbonCopy.

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ChazLB's avatar

I guess you avoided all the fluoride for that one tooth left.

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ChazLB's avatar

School is obedience training and dumbing them down to be duplicitous and dishonest like that "Russian bot" guy

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Lynne's avatar

All fears and hatreds are drummed up and inculcated by people in power who see an advantage to themselves in encouraging such behaviour. I have lived in multiple multicultural and multi faith areas since I was a child, and have always experienced people who want to live peacefully generally get along fine - providing there is no stirring the pot by people in power. Hatred on a societal scale is not normal. It is deliberately created.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

In the USA it is a for-profit activity. The New York Times and others were losing money until they went for the hate and propaganda model. Now they're in the bucks. So you could blame the free market. I find this highly discouraging.

I boycott all US trad media since 2018, for whatever good that does.

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ChazLB's avatar

On YouTube whenever a news story pops up i go to the little dots and click on "don't recommend this channel" to all main stream news.

If everyone just took the second to do this is would help their demise along

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Lynne's avatar

Unfortunately, free markets can be as co-opted by big money as anything else. Even with regulatory bodies in place, as we have had in western democracies, these have been wholescale bought out and corrupted. Whistleblowers are squeezed out.

To my mind we are back to the inevitable tale of when the super rich too greedy and ruin everything for everyone, and requiring everyone impacted, which eventually is the majority, to take action!

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JennyStokes's avatar

Yes I agree.

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ChazLB's avatar

sadly true ..but i like to remind people so does a cancer while it kills its host then dies

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Lisa Dixon's avatar

This is all so so true, every day I think about people going about their lives like as if a genocide isn’t happening so much distraction, news that isn’t news and a stupid obsession with Trump.

Great article

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jamenta's avatar

I can understand the Trump obsession. I mean, it's bizarre to me the Democratic party chose to push Uncle Joe Biden yet again. But what do I know?

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CarbonCopy's avatar

This is the crazyness of the whole thing! That bastard Biden (GenocideJoe!) goes to Michigan and this disgusting piece of shit always eating his fucking ice-cream can't figure out why they won't vote for him! The stupid brainless answer they always come up with is oh you want Trump! This is also the ploy used to try to convince people that their vote is only good for 2 people. I say I vote against evil in any form never for it in any form!

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jamenta's avatar

Sometimes - it's just hard to manage the rage one feels. :( I try to vary my activities - so the stupidity of it all doesn't get to me. I mean, I need to get some sleep at night. The world is in such a dark place right now.

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ChazLB's avatar

A no vote is a vote of no confidence ...if no own showed up that would send a real palatable message but Americans especially are brain washed to believe its some civic duty and so they get a little gold star that says "i voted" like they are fucking kindergarten kids... that's the purposed of infantilizing and dumbing them down through public education (obedience training)

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi CC

Great news: nearly 20% of Minnesotans voted UNCOMMITTED!

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Fantastic! This means just like with George Galloway winning in the UK and the people of Michigan and now Minnesota things may be changing for the better! There are some real good third party candidates this time around. I watched the debates the other night and had not heard of any but Dr. Jill Stein but frankly if any of the 3 or 4 from that group make it things will be better.

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Lynne's avatar

Thank you....so much. Your writings remind me I am not alone in keeping focussed on this atrocity. Even as 'friends' quietly drop away or worse attack! It can feel lonely, but this abhorrent utterly psychotic and sociopathic behaviour is a massive NO! And needs to be non stopped screamed out loud in every way possible and at evey opportunity.

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jamenta's avatar

When they produced all those endless documentaries which often ended with, "Never again" - some of us did take those words seriously. Never Again.

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Scuba Cat's avatar

Anymore, the "libertarian" boards are mostly indistinguishable from the Daily Wire. At least GG had Ron Paul on to talk about how fucked up this is.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

"A daily act of defiance."

This could be the title of my memoirs for the past four months. Every day I share blog and article links, tweets, memes, march and protest photos to keep the struggle of the Palestinian people before myself and others. Some days it feels like I'm going uphill, but sometimes it seems to make a difference. We are growing in numbers in our daily protests. The propagandists haven't won. We're beating them. Remain defiant!

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Klein Moretti's avatar

At a certain point a lack of empathy is not a moral issue but one of mental illness. Zionists aren’t just bad people, they are bad broken people.

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jamenta's avatar

It's remarkable a mass of people can become so distorted in their thinking processes - that they somehow justify to themselves the slaughter of children can be a "good thing". :( Carl Jung was right - a mass psychosis is an extremely dangerous psychological phenomena.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I have long wondered to what extent sociopaths are born and to what extent they can be trained.

Look at a mid-level functionary in the UK colonial office during the Victorian Era. That man might be a decent, upstanding person in his private life, a considerate husband, an honest friend and devoted father, he might even genuinely mean well in some abstract sense for the "natives" he oversees and still he might do monstrous things in furtherance of the institution where he works.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Absolutely. Saw this all the time in Sri Lanka growing up just after SL gained Independence. The chatter from my parents friends was always blatant racism. They wanted SL to fail after they milked it dry. Most of them were losing 'fat' jobs and a lot like my Father had no pensions. My Father stayed and worked with the Sri Lankans yet he complained about them incessantly.

It was hard for us (brother and sister) to watch. We have all been affected by it. None of us live in GB now.

Those in power live in dread of it being taken from them which is why I know it is important to keep protesting . Colonialism is a degrading system for those under the rule.

I've watched the US News for a long time and the people (like other colonialists) really have no idea what they are aiding and abetting.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

For sure! Want Proof guess where every new piece of toxic shit goes through first and foremost!? Through Native American land! Every time they start a new pipeline it goes through tribal property!

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JennyStokes's avatar

Yes. I do know this.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I was sure you did but just showing agreement as best I could.

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Klein Moretti's avatar

You should look at studies of street gangs. Also millitaries do things like show videos of dismemberments and have service members kill animals with a knife to reduce levels of empathy.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I have read that the US military was greatly disturbed by findings that many WWII-era servicemen avoided killing enemy combatants and sought to "fix" this.

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jamenta's avatar

Happened in the US Civil War as well. It turns out, training soldiers to shoot and kill someone can be more of a challenge than the soldier willing to be shot at. Perhaps it's a bit of inherent "moral" wiring - that the military needs to deprogram (along with a soldier's sense of individuality).

But then the sadism and savagery being reported in GAZA by the IDF seems to be at some other psychotic level of war. Maybe to help hide the lurking conscience underneath that what they are doing is probably wrong?

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CarbonCopy's avatar

They have been at this a very long time. It actually started before 1947. There is 3 different groups of terrorist that became the IDF of today. These terrorist were busy all over killing people and blowing things up. The only change has been the buy out of politicians and the infiltration done throughout governments around the world. Now we are told what a "Moral" army they are!

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Feral Finster's avatar

If kittens are raised with rats, they will never hunt that species of rat when they grow up to be cats.

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jamenta's avatar

Spock voice: "Fascinating."

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I wonder who came up with that idea? You would have a real rough time of it from me and probably many people hurting an animal in front of me! It would be almost certain to have the knife end up somewhere they didn't want it to be!

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Klein Moretti's avatar

Well, starving newborns then laughing about it on Tiktok is worse and the IDF seems to have almost no Israelis criticizing.

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Scuba Cat's avatar

Your comment reminds me of Hannah Arendt.

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Shane Medlin's avatar

Some commentators are suggesting that Israel cannot long survive the storm they have unleashed. I hate to say this, I really do, but I hope that is true. I'll briefly explain.

Israel was never going to succeed, ultimately. It is a modern colony in an era when pretty much all colonies have failed. It is rather an abomination, and is actively displacing and destroying the indigenous people of Palestine.

Yes, I know they are hardly exterminating the people, but they are certainly destroying their homes and infrastructure. And along the way, they are killing tens of thousands of innocent people, and maiming untold numbers of others.

Israel once got a defacto pass because muh hitler. But they've crossed the Rubicon, and are now beyond the pale. They deserve to have their erstwhile state dismantled, and to be dispersed into the wind. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. So mote it be, I command Israel to cease to exist henceforth, and let it be dismantled starting now. Thus is my judgement before the world.

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David Avenell's avatar

Well, I do agree with most of that Shane, except '..they are hardly exterminating the people...'

What do you think they're doing?

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

It is possible, if Shane isn't a native-English speaker, he might have used that word to mean the adjective of hard, as in strong, or forcefully. In our customary usage, "hardly" literally means the opposite of what it says.

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David Avenell's avatar

If it was possible on Substack, the "you" would have been italics, which may have ilicited a clarification from Shane.

I don't know what your customary language is, but I imagine it be Cantonese or Mandarin.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Not at all. Native English.

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Shane Medlin's avatar

They have certainly exterminated people, specifically Palestinians, yes. The distinction is that the Palestinians have managed to expand their own population significantly in spite of that. The disgusting and murderous Israeli government likes to make this point in their own defense before the world, as if that makes killing them somehow okay.

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David Avenell's avatar

Cheers, thanks for that.

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JennyStokes's avatar

IF they can they will exterminate most of the Palestinians..............these people are butchers!

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John Turcot's avatar

Loved the narrative... Although it may seem as if some of us are led to believe the official denials of the genocide occurring right in front of our noses, the unconscious rumbling in our heart is a sign that all is not well in our collective soul. How can we allow such an atrocity to occur in this day and age... how can we stare in the face of genocide and pretend it's something else, how can we let ourselves be led into the same darkness from which genocides are generated? The answer is much rawer, clearer and much more devastating that the silence suggests... It's the repeated murder of children that haunts our soul, and does so every day ... Something is very wrong with with our species....

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novapsyche's avatar

Thanks, Caitlin. I recently found your page and read you regularly. I appreciate you continuing to call attention to this issue.

There are so many people putting their fingers in their ears, willfully defiant of reality, asserting quite vocally that there isn't a genocide because they don't believe it. That's their burden of proof: their own belief. It's a strange world in which such people live. There's a legal definition, but because they believe that the ICJ is biased, they don't believe the provisional ruling of "plausible genocide." Never mind that the definition can be matched to conditions on the ground.

But besides that, there are these other indicators of genocide that Israel is displaying that we can examine and make comparisons. Medhi Hasan, on Pod Save America, relayed that the pace of death in Gaza is the worst of any conflict since Rwanda. That's a clue.

https://youtu.be/qqpnfimEMb8?si=0s2g5zwnTAb2kPRW&t=575

As someone whose background is in social science, I can't turn away from what's going on. Gaza commands our attention. You and I have different styles, to be sure, but I am doing my best to uncover the sociological dimension of this genocide. Because Israel is doing _all_ of the things.

For one, it's fallen into reversal of morality, where their citizens think they're doing god's work by blocking aid trucks so as to starve Gazans. They think they're doing the highest good. They don't see how wretched and sadistic their actions are. That's how far Israeli society has descended. I wrote about it here: https://novapsyche.substack.com/p/israels-inversion-of-reality-linked

Thanks again for your keen eye and your acid tongue. We need more people willing to say what they see.

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Fran's avatar

They don't see their humanity and they never did. Their land simply turned over to another gave that message, loud and clear. They were nothing.

Father describes young daughter’s killing by Israel in Gaza

"Four-year-old Salma was shot in the neck and died in her father’s arms, leaving her family only with memories and photos."

I hate them for all these murders, and there is no other way to define what they are doing, murdering thousands and thousands and only god know when it will end.

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It won't end when the fighting ends. Not only the soldiers but the whole of Israeli society will forever be changed. You can't put the murderous toothpaste back in the tube. They've unleashed something that will be impossible to corral.

If you read Milton Mayer's They Thought They Were Free, you'll see that he interviewed former everyday Germans who were not part of the Nazi Party but who did take pride in that era. Even decades later, some felt that the culture was just and that it could have succeeded had the leadership not gone insane. People even into their 80s or 90s refused to denounce what that regime did.

(Incidentally, this phenomenon was mirrored in the wake of the Jonestown massacre, where survivors lamented the fact that had Jim Jones not lost his mind that the commune might have thrived; Jones had killed the dream.)

Then, also, I think of mass murderers and serial killers, because genocide is mass murder as a group crime; and as I recall John Wayne Gacy got started on his spree very traumatically but also very triumphantly--he derived great sexual pleasure from his act. Once he transgressed, some switch was flipped in his brain. The drive became insatiable: he needed more and more victims. The same could be said for Ted Bundy, though I don't believe he went into that much detail about his initial experience. And there are other killers besides (BTK, for example).

What Israel has unleashed, they will not be able to contain. The leaders have turned on drives in their population that they will not be able to switch off when the fighting ends.

Germany in WWII came to a halt because they suffered an overwhelming military defeat. This time around, the United States is shielding Israel from any sort of accountability. A rogue state with nuclear power that thinks it can commit mass murder with impunity--what could go wrong?

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Absolutely, they have to be stopped because they cannot stop themselves. How could anyone, who claims to care about humanity, either Israelis, Palestinians, or any other of us, fail to stop them? The failure is one of moral courage. The victory is of the craven.

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I agree, but they began their genocidal spree many decades ago which started in 1948, with the Nakba. Since then they have been on one killing spree after another which ended for the Palestinians in an open door prison from which they are now trying to escape, pursued by the threat of an outright genocide. 60 percent of the West bank is now in the hands of Israel,, and now e settlers are given a free hand to kill them or run them off their land. What is unfortunate from what I'v read is that most of Israel's rallies are for Netanyahu to be gone but not against the genocide their criminal leader, Netanyahu along with his right wing Likud party is implementing. The US will also carry this stain for abetting their carnage.

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When is substack going to remove this abusive pro genocidal ass who continues to harass me????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Fran, I think it's up to the forum's owner to take care of such actions, not the substack. Substack is just a platform.

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I have no idea why you are replying to me.

I'm not comparing "the Jews" (as you put it) to anything or anyone. I'm comparing the state of Israel to a complement of various entities throughout history that have committed murder.

You are welcome to take your hostility elsewhere.

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Don't answer this fool that I have repeatedy reported to substack and is no more then a troll. I wish he would mouth off on a site he hasn't even gotten underway instead of going around and harassing everyone with his BS. He's usually more abusive to women and it's time substack held him accountable instead of ignoring it.

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1. I mentioned neither "the Jews" nor Hamas. So you're strawmanning all of what you're saying here. You're not arguing against me; you're arguing against a construct of your own making.

2. Again, you're welcome to go elsewhere. I won't entertain you.

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Glenn Campbell's avatar

And what of the rumored 8000 Palestinians held in Israeli jails?

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Last count was 11000 but more like 15000 according to some.

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jamenta's avatar

And there are numerous reports of torture and summary executions. The torture, even proudly put on video and published online by the IDF itself.

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Mona's avatar

I love you Caitlin. What would we do without you in the middle of all this madness ! You’re the only voice of sanity .

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John Turcot's avatar

Mona... Caitlin is not the only voice of sanity, but a damned good one... as loud and as clear as anyone would want to hear...

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