I have started re-reading 1984 by George Orwell, having read it many years ago. It is frighteningly like what you describe in your article, Caitlin, and frighteningly like what we are all going through right now. Big Brother is even referred to as B.B. Remind you of anyone? Someone, somewhere said "the only thing worse than the world ending, is the world ending without a struggle". Let's all keep up the struggle. (and if anyone knows who said that, I would like to know. I can't find that quote online)
I have said it many times it's a combination of the two but now I add in the films the matix and idiocracy, with a sprinkle of every distopion film made sins.
You might also want to read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky and other great socialists. You might want to study history a little more assiduously. Read Oscar Wilde's "The Soul of Man Under Socialism". Read William Morris. Hell, read Mark Twain's War Prayer. Study serious historians like Glenn Diesen in our own time.
Most people only know about any of it from some second hand opinionated propagandists then really attempting to understand the complexity of humans trying to find ways of governing themselves fairly..
Today all that is simply thrown out the window for making a holly dollar off death suffering and war.
If 200 starving dogs were baited by food and then executed by china US and Western media would cover it to no end. Animal rights, animal cruelty Chinese dont value life like West, inscrutable eastern mindset unlike the modern western humane mindset which extends to even animals etc etc. But starving Muslims gathered for food and then executed not a word. Not a word from saudi from sisi from uae or from West.
They are not starving Muslims but starving people! Starving Palestinians. You have to understand that the issue of Palestine isn’t a Muslim issue. It is a humanity issue, ethnic cleansing of the most horrendous type I order to acquire the land and rewrite history.
The Zionist entity seems to think this strategy of 'MSM Information Blockade' will save them... however, the Info Blockade was broken long ago by Fair-minded people of Faith (& no Faith) willing, ready & able to make it known worldwide that Genocide & Ethnic Cleansing is happening LIVE as we speak... so this strategy is DOA. What remains is for Men of the Resistance on the Ground to Repel the Zionist invaders from their Lands using all Kinetic Means at their disposal.
Inshallah/God Willing, we shall see this Vile Apartheid entity meet its Ignoble end Soon!
Yeah i don't know about that...the information war and censorship is waged by the same MIC mafia and establishment boot lickers ...all the social media platforms are highly controlled curated and managed to strip the general public of any real honest information of what is actually going on to shove the main stream right into their checked out faces .. They buy a phone preinstalled with establishment main stream propaganda news systems already shoving the bull shit first in any feeds and searches to be shoved right down into their easily manipulated brain stems... get out of this community bubble and talk to people and all you can do is shake your head how lost in the sea of bull shit they are... I'm surprised so many are waking up though still..
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I got onto Substack close to October 7th, 2023, and the genocide Israel is committing against Gaza is all I can bring myself to write about.
It's appalling that our governments are sending money and weapons to Israel, and then pretending that they're made at Netanyahu.
Today I was thinking there's so much more to me than the genocide in Gaza, but I can't bring myself to write about anything else.
Thanks so much for posting this important article, Caitlin. It's so important that the constant discouragement to look at what's going on in Gaza is called out for what it is.
This is all so so true, every day I think about people going about their lives like as if a genocide isn’t happening so much distraction, news that isn’t news and a stupid obsession with Trump.
This is the crazyness of the whole thing! That bastard Biden (GenocideJoe!) goes to Michigan and this disgusting piece of shit always eating his fucking ice-cream can't figure out why they won't vote for him! The stupid brainless answer they always come up with is oh you want Trump! This is also the ploy used to try to convince people that their vote is only good for 2 people. I say I vote against evil in any form never for it in any form!
Sometimes - it's just hard to manage the rage one feels. :( I try to vary my activities - so the stupidity of it all doesn't get to me. I mean, I need to get some sleep at night. The world is in such a dark place right now.
A no vote is a vote of no confidence ...if no own showed up that would send a real palatable message but Americans especially are brain washed to believe its some civic duty and so they get a little gold star that says "i voted" like they are fucking kindergarten kids... that's the purposed of infantilizing and dumbing them down through public education (obedience training)
Fantastic! This means just like with George Galloway winning in the UK and the people of Michigan and now Minnesota things may be changing for the better! There are some real good third party candidates this time around. I watched the debates the other night and had not heard of any but Dr. Jill Stein but frankly if any of the 3 or 4 from that group make it things will be better.
Thank you....so much. Your writings remind me I am not alone in keeping focussed on this atrocity. Even as 'friends' quietly drop away or worse attack! It can feel lonely, but this abhorrent utterly psychotic and sociopathic behaviour is a massive NO! And needs to be non stopped screamed out loud in every way possible and at evey opportunity.
This could be the title of my memoirs for the past four months. Every day I share blog and article links, tweets, memes, march and protest photos to keep the struggle of the Palestinian people before myself and others. Some days it feels like I'm going uphill, but sometimes it seems to make a difference. We are growing in numbers in our daily protests. The propagandists haven't won. We're beating them. Remain defiant!
Some commentators are suggesting that Israel cannot long survive the storm they have unleashed. I hate to say this, I really do, but I hope that is true. I'll briefly explain.
Israel was never going to succeed, ultimately. It is a modern colony in an era when pretty much all colonies have failed. It is rather an abomination, and is actively displacing and destroying the indigenous people of Palestine.
Yes, I know they are hardly exterminating the people, but they are certainly destroying their homes and infrastructure. And along the way, they are killing tens of thousands of innocent people, and maiming untold numbers of others.
Israel once got a defacto pass because muh hitler. But they've crossed the Rubicon, and are now beyond the pale. They deserve to have their erstwhile state dismantled, and to be dispersed into the wind. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. So mote it be, I command Israel to cease to exist henceforth, and let it be dismantled starting now. Thus is my judgement before the world.
It is possible, if Shane isn't a native-English speaker, he might have used that word to mean the adjective of hard, as in strong, or forcefully. In our customary usage, "hardly" literally means the opposite of what it says.
They have certainly exterminated people, specifically Palestinians, yes. The distinction is that the Palestinians have managed to expand their own population significantly in spite of that. The disgusting and murderous Israeli government likes to make this point in their own defense before the world, as if that makes killing them somehow okay.
Loved the narrative... Although it may seem as if some of us are led to believe the official denials of the genocide occurring right in front of our noses, the unconscious rumbling in our heart is a sign that all is not well in our collective soul. How can we allow such an atrocity to occur in this day and age... how can we stare in the face of genocide and pretend it's something else, how can we let ourselves be led into the same darkness from which genocides are generated? The answer is much rawer, clearer and much more devastating that the silence suggests... It's the repeated murder of children that haunts our soul, and does so every day ... Something is very wrong with with our species....
Thanks, Caitlin. I recently found your page and read you regularly. I appreciate you continuing to call attention to this issue.
There are so many people putting their fingers in their ears, willfully defiant of reality, asserting quite vocally that there isn't a genocide because they don't believe it. That's their burden of proof: their own belief. It's a strange world in which such people live. There's a legal definition, but because they believe that the ICJ is biased, they don't believe the provisional ruling of "plausible genocide." Never mind that the definition can be matched to conditions on the ground.
But besides that, there are these other indicators of genocide that Israel is displaying that we can examine and make comparisons. Medhi Hasan, on Pod Save America, relayed that the pace of death in Gaza is the worst of any conflict since Rwanda. That's a clue.
As someone whose background is in social science, I can't turn away from what's going on. Gaza commands our attention. You and I have different styles, to be sure, but I am doing my best to uncover the sociological dimension of this genocide. Because Israel is doing _all_ of the things.
For one, it's fallen into reversal of morality, where their citizens think they're doing god's work by blocking aid trucks so as to starve Gazans. They think they're doing the highest good. They don't see how wretched and sadistic their actions are. That's how far Israeli society has descended. I wrote about it here: https://novapsyche.substack.com/p/israels-inversion-of-reality-linked
Thanks again for your keen eye and your acid tongue. We need more people willing to say what they see.
They don't see their humanity and they never did. Their land simply turned over to another gave that message, loud and clear. They were nothing.
Father describes young daughter’s killing by Israel in Gaza
"Four-year-old Salma was shot in the neck and died in her father’s arms, leaving her family only with memories and photos."
I hate them for all these murders, and there is no other way to define what they are doing, murdering thousands and thousands and only god know when it will end.
It won't end when the fighting ends. Not only the soldiers but the whole of Israeli society will forever be changed. You can't put the murderous toothpaste back in the tube. They've unleashed something that will be impossible to corral.
If you read Milton Mayer's They Thought They Were Free, you'll see that he interviewed former everyday Germans who were not part of the Nazi Party but who did take pride in that era. Even decades later, some felt that the culture was just and that it could have succeeded had the leadership not gone insane. People even into their 80s or 90s refused to denounce what that regime did.
(Incidentally, this phenomenon was mirrored in the wake of the Jonestown massacre, where survivors lamented the fact that had Jim Jones not lost his mind that the commune might have thrived; Jones had killed the dream.)
Then, also, I think of mass murderers and serial killers, because genocide is mass murder as a group crime; and as I recall John Wayne Gacy got started on his spree very traumatically but also very triumphantly--he derived great sexual pleasure from his act. Once he transgressed, some switch was flipped in his brain. The drive became insatiable: he needed more and more victims. The same could be said for Ted Bundy, though I don't believe he went into that much detail about his initial experience. And there are other killers besides (BTK, for example).
What Israel has unleashed, they will not be able to contain. The leaders have turned on drives in their population that they will not be able to switch off when the fighting ends.
Germany in WWII came to a halt because they suffered an overwhelming military defeat. This time around, the United States is shielding Israel from any sort of accountability. A rogue state with nuclear power that thinks it can commit mass murder with impunity--what could go wrong?
Absolutely, they have to be stopped because they cannot stop themselves. How could anyone, who claims to care about humanity, either Israelis, Palestinians, or any other of us, fail to stop them? The failure is one of moral courage. The victory is of the craven.
I agree, but they began their genocidal spree many decades ago which started in 1948, with the Nakba. Since then they have been on one killing spree after another which ended for the Palestinians in an open door prison from which they are now trying to escape, pursued by the threat of an outright genocide. 60 percent of the West bank is now in the hands of Israel,, and now e settlers are given a free hand to kill them or run them off their land. What is unfortunate from what I'v read is that most of Israel's rallies are for Netanyahu to be gone but not against the genocide their criminal leader, Netanyahu along with his right wing Likud party is implementing. The US will also carry this stain for abetting their carnage.
When is substack going to remove this abusive pro genocidal ass who continues to harass me????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I'm not comparing "the Jews" (as you put it) to anything or anyone. I'm comparing the state of Israel to a complement of various entities throughout history that have committed murder.
Don't answer this fool that I have repeatedy reported to substack and is no more then a troll. I wish he would mouth off on a site he hasn't even gotten underway instead of going around and harassing everyone with his BS. He's usually more abusive to women and it's time substack held him accountable instead of ignoring it.
1. I mentioned neither "the Jews" nor Hamas. So you're strawmanning all of what you're saying here. You're not arguing against me; you're arguing against a construct of your own making.
2. Again, you're welcome to go elsewhere. I won't entertain you.
The Gaza genocide is based on the same Zionist principle as was the genocide of the 1940's. Terror was then and is now employed to induce the Arab-speaking original inhabitants of Palestine to vacate their land and homes, so that Jews could have them. The only difference now is that the terror is on an industrial scale, and many more Palestinians have been injured and killed.
Main article: Killings and massacres during the 1948 Palestine War
In his memoirs the Palestinian Arab physician Elias Srouji claims massacres were intended to scare inhabitants. He wrote:
Tactics became even more brutal when the Zionists were ready to complete their occupation of the Galilee in October. By that time the Arab villagers, having seen what had happened elsewhere, had become adamant about staying put in their homes and on their lands. To frighten them away, the occupying forces started a strategy of planned massacres, which were carried out in Eilabun, Faradiyya, Safsaf, Sa'sa', and other villages. In places where this was not to their advantage for one reason or another, the army would resort to forceful expulsion. I was to witness some of these tactics in Rameh a month or so later.[134]
Nathan Krystall writes:
News of the attack on and massacre in Deir Yassin spread quickly throughout Palestine. De Reynier argued that the "general terror" was "astutely fostered by the Jews, with Haganah radio incessantly repeating 'Remember Deir Yassin' and loudspeaker vans broadcasting messages in Arabic such as: 'Unless you leave your homes, the fate of Deir Yassin will be your fate.'"[131]
According to Flapan, "from another perspective, [the Deir Yassin massacre] made perfect sense. More panic was sown among the Arab population by this operation than by anything that had happened up to then.... While Ben-Gurion condemned the massacre in no uncertain terms, he did nothing to curb the independent actions of the Jewish underground armies."[58]"
Might it be that the nature of these events is a photo of the reality of, the actuality of the peoples of the world. Illusions held, idealizations made of others, of their moral sensitivity -like Palestinian babies- murdered? Illusions about the integrity of leaders of so-called democratic countries also murdered. What we see is the breach like an abyss between the sensibilities of leaders and those of its citizens. Biden only started yammering about a tentative peace process only after he had probably been informed that his bull headed fawning support of Bibi’s unmitigated viciousness in smashing all Palestinians to bits, was jeopardizing his “electability” his popularity in the advanced form of a high school popularity contest. Where morality never counts. Giving us bald faced clues as to the depth of Biden’s commitment to Democratic values. Justice? What’s that? Impressive to me is public men like Dan Rather and Robert Reich rant about Trump that carries their hidden agenda urging Biden as the people’s choice. Not even a glance do they make toward the severe moral problem of Biden. Biden -despite being anointed by some as Genocide Joe - is better than authoritarian Trump? Choose: a rapist or an accomplice of a super big mass murderer? For USA President! Viewed as metaphors in the context of today’s major political events against the backdrop of USA’s history of violence against the indigenous, the non whites, the poor domestically and internationally, the choice pins down in bas relief two essences of the USA. Both protected by an ever thinning governmental persona of the always innocent, never guilty nation because never responsible for its acts comprising its huge shadow.
I have had to come off a few sites on substack for the reasons you mention above. Still the old 'milksop' vote Biden shit. Just don't want to hear it anymore.
To limit the description of Trump's crimes to rape is ridiculous. They want to end democracy and install him as dictator. It's a disgusting choice for voters. Trump made Jerusalem capital of Israel. Yahu wants to see him elected. GOP wants to enact Project 2025. We have to work with the abysmal system we have until we can manage to change it. Not voting or voting for Trump is an irresponsible thing for a US citizen to do. It won't magically bring about the change so many of us would like to see.
I concur - Re limiting Trump’s disturbance to “just” rape. Unless you consider that action as apropos to all his energética to shit on democracy and all but his syncophants. He excels at rape - attitude, intention, action, domination, etc. Rape is the one thing he excels at. Voting for Biden is to pretend he’s a savior. He ain’t. We are. In standing together United for decency and right action.
I guess - If you and all of yours - were imprisoned for decades in the world’s largest outdoor prison (See Finkelstein and or Pape or Hedges or Peled) for decades - where disappearances and imprisonment were common and movement highly restricted and you were overlooked by the world - that you too might explode with villainy. Your emphasis on Hamas villainy and omission of Israeli’s is quite striking. Disturbing even.
Please do send your website depicting the luxurious lifestyle the Palestinians reveled in. How extraordinarily odd ! The ICJ must have missed that data completely when they judged Israeli actions highly indicative of genocide requiring further investigation before declaring it as fact. You must have exclusive access to such information.And apparently you find the indigenous nature of the Palestinians irrelevant as you must also view the Israeli settler colonial actions including its apartheid structure. I suppose you would have no problem were the indigenous in your neck of the woods to herald that they were sent by the Great Spirit to take over the land you sit on. And set up walls keeping you rifraff away from the Great Spirit’s chosen.
So there are only high dollar shopping malls in Gaza and damned if those fucking Palestinians should be allowed to have such things. You are a piece of shit the lowest form of primate. This continual MSM lie that you put forth shows just how stupid you are and you seem to think people here are just as clueless as you. Do you have any idea how many Palestinians there are in the US alone? NOT ONE SINGLE TIME HAS A PALESTINIAN BEEN CAUGHT DOING ANYTHING WRONG IN AMERICA! THE ZIONIST NAZI FUCKING ISRAELI HAVE BEEN CAUGHT WORLDWIDE KILLING EVERY FUCKING ONE THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH!
You are so full of shit. This bullshit lie can go both ways. If you want to bring up your bible bullshit then what about "Thou Shall Not Kill" or how about Not stealing. You can keep your lies to yourself.
Since you are an obvious Zionist piece of shit your opinions count for just that shit. You can't push your Sociopathic BullShit here because we know who is committing GENOCIDE AND IT AIN'T HAMAS WHO ARE HONORABLE FREEDOM FIGHTERS WHO DO NONE OF THE THINGS THE TERRORIST IDF DO EVERY DAY! IDF HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TERRORIST! THEY THROW BABIES IN OVENS AND THEIR FATHERS AFTER THEM! THEY RAPE WOMEN AFTER STRIPPING THEM AND BRUTALISING THEM! GO FUCK YOURSELF! DO US ALL A FAVOR!
"Pay attention to this trend, this TV show, this funny video, this celebrity, this product..." And if that's not bad enough, here in Oz, the footy season's started. So the majority of the population with the attention span of a goldfish, would rather watch an artificially created conflict than pay attention to real conflict and have to make a moral or ethical decision regarding that conflict.
I have started re-reading 1984 by George Orwell, having read it many years ago. It is frighteningly like what you describe in your article, Caitlin, and frighteningly like what we are all going through right now. Big Brother is even referred to as B.B. Remind you of anyone? Someone, somewhere said "the only thing worse than the world ending, is the world ending without a struggle". Let's all keep up the struggle. (and if anyone knows who said that, I would like to know. I can't find that quote online)
There is a meme, showing a Venn Diagram between "1984", "Fahrenheit 451" and "Brave New World".
In the intersection of the Venn Diagram are the words "We Are Here".
I have said it many times it's a combination of the two but now I add in the films the matix and idiocracy, with a sprinkle of every distopion film made sins.
I'm going to read them all. It is oddly comforting to read these prophetic books. I have read Brave New World, but a very long time ago.
You might also want to read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky and other great socialists. You might want to study history a little more assiduously. Read Oscar Wilde's "The Soul of Man Under Socialism". Read William Morris. Hell, read Mark Twain's War Prayer. Study serious historians like Glenn Diesen in our own time.
Most people only know about any of it from some second hand opinionated propagandists then really attempting to understand the complexity of humans trying to find ways of governing themselves fairly..
Today all that is simply thrown out the window for making a holly dollar off death suffering and war.
Would love to see that Feral… have you a link?
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1988949-wow-this-is-just-like-1984
Thanks Feral…. Awesome. Like a lot of people ( and cats) I read those books many years ago. Time to give ‘em another go.
Aldous Huxley was a big cat lover btw 😉
"Aldous Huxley was a big cat lover btw 😉"
Makes sense.
If 200 starving dogs were baited by food and then executed by china US and Western media would cover it to no end. Animal rights, animal cruelty Chinese dont value life like West, inscrutable eastern mindset unlike the modern western humane mindset which extends to even animals etc etc. But starving Muslims gathered for food and then executed not a word. Not a word from saudi from sisi from uae or from West.
Never again means never mind
You are absolutely correct. The U.S. is really messed up.
They are not starving Muslims but starving people! Starving Palestinians. You have to understand that the issue of Palestine isn’t a Muslim issue. It is a humanity issue, ethnic cleansing of the most horrendous type I order to acquire the land and rewrite history.
99% of the dead are muslims. either way its a genocide
Boss, we can’t be splitting hairs between ourselves.
Hi Rafe
I’ve said it before: if the Ziopaths were bombing animal shelters, there would be an outcry such as the world has never known. But people? Meh.
I just watched a video of starving cats in Gaza because they no longer have owners to feed them. 😢
The Zionist entity seems to think this strategy of 'MSM Information Blockade' will save them... however, the Info Blockade was broken long ago by Fair-minded people of Faith (& no Faith) willing, ready & able to make it known worldwide that Genocide & Ethnic Cleansing is happening LIVE as we speak... so this strategy is DOA. What remains is for Men of the Resistance on the Ground to Repel the Zionist invaders from their Lands using all Kinetic Means at their disposal.
Inshallah/God Willing, we shall see this Vile Apartheid entity meet its Ignoble end Soon!
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Yeah i don't know about that...the information war and censorship is waged by the same MIC mafia and establishment boot lickers ...all the social media platforms are highly controlled curated and managed to strip the general public of any real honest information of what is actually going on to shove the main stream right into their checked out faces .. They buy a phone preinstalled with establishment main stream propaganda news systems already shoving the bull shit first in any feeds and searches to be shoved right down into their easily manipulated brain stems... get out of this community bubble and talk to people and all you can do is shake your head how lost in the sea of bull shit they are... I'm surprised so many are waking up though still..
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So true.
I got onto Substack close to October 7th, 2023, and the genocide Israel is committing against Gaza is all I can bring myself to write about.
It's appalling that our governments are sending money and weapons to Israel, and then pretending that they're made at Netanyahu.
Today I was thinking there's so much more to me than the genocide in Gaza, but I can't bring myself to write about anything else.
Thanks so much for posting this important article, Caitlin. It's so important that the constant discouragement to look at what's going on in Gaza is called out for what it is.
100% agree!
I feel exactly the same, Diana. I have to force myself to write about what I intended to because it all seems so trivial in comparison.
This is all so so true, every day I think about people going about their lives like as if a genocide isn’t happening so much distraction, news that isn’t news and a stupid obsession with Trump.
Great article
I can understand the Trump obsession. I mean, it's bizarre to me the Democratic party chose to push Uncle Joe Biden yet again. But what do I know?
This is the crazyness of the whole thing! That bastard Biden (GenocideJoe!) goes to Michigan and this disgusting piece of shit always eating his fucking ice-cream can't figure out why they won't vote for him! The stupid brainless answer they always come up with is oh you want Trump! This is also the ploy used to try to convince people that their vote is only good for 2 people. I say I vote against evil in any form never for it in any form!
Sometimes - it's just hard to manage the rage one feels. :( I try to vary my activities - so the stupidity of it all doesn't get to me. I mean, I need to get some sleep at night. The world is in such a dark place right now.
A no vote is a vote of no confidence ...if no own showed up that would send a real palatable message but Americans especially are brain washed to believe its some civic duty and so they get a little gold star that says "i voted" like they are fucking kindergarten kids... that's the purposed of infantilizing and dumbing them down through public education (obedience training)
Hi CC
Great news: nearly 20% of Minnesotans voted UNCOMMITTED!
Fantastic! This means just like with George Galloway winning in the UK and the people of Michigan and now Minnesota things may be changing for the better! There are some real good third party candidates this time around. I watched the debates the other night and had not heard of any but Dr. Jill Stein but frankly if any of the 3 or 4 from that group make it things will be better.
Thank you....so much. Your writings remind me I am not alone in keeping focussed on this atrocity. Even as 'friends' quietly drop away or worse attack! It can feel lonely, but this abhorrent utterly psychotic and sociopathic behaviour is a massive NO! And needs to be non stopped screamed out loud in every way possible and at evey opportunity.
When they produced all those endless documentaries which often ended with, "Never again" - some of us did take those words seriously. Never Again.
Anymore, the "libertarian" boards are mostly indistinguishable from the Daily Wire. At least GG had Ron Paul on to talk about how fucked up this is.
"A daily act of defiance."
This could be the title of my memoirs for the past four months. Every day I share blog and article links, tweets, memes, march and protest photos to keep the struggle of the Palestinian people before myself and others. Some days it feels like I'm going uphill, but sometimes it seems to make a difference. We are growing in numbers in our daily protests. The propagandists haven't won. We're beating them. Remain defiant!
Some commentators are suggesting that Israel cannot long survive the storm they have unleashed. I hate to say this, I really do, but I hope that is true. I'll briefly explain.
Israel was never going to succeed, ultimately. It is a modern colony in an era when pretty much all colonies have failed. It is rather an abomination, and is actively displacing and destroying the indigenous people of Palestine.
Yes, I know they are hardly exterminating the people, but they are certainly destroying their homes and infrastructure. And along the way, they are killing tens of thousands of innocent people, and maiming untold numbers of others.
Israel once got a defacto pass because muh hitler. But they've crossed the Rubicon, and are now beyond the pale. They deserve to have their erstwhile state dismantled, and to be dispersed into the wind. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. So mote it be, I command Israel to cease to exist henceforth, and let it be dismantled starting now. Thus is my judgement before the world.
Well, I do agree with most of that Shane, except '..they are hardly exterminating the people...'
What do you think they're doing?
It is possible, if Shane isn't a native-English speaker, he might have used that word to mean the adjective of hard, as in strong, or forcefully. In our customary usage, "hardly" literally means the opposite of what it says.
If it was possible on Substack, the "you" would have been italics, which may have ilicited a clarification from Shane.
I don't know what your customary language is, but I imagine it be Cantonese or Mandarin.
Not at all. Native English.
They have certainly exterminated people, specifically Palestinians, yes. The distinction is that the Palestinians have managed to expand their own population significantly in spite of that. The disgusting and murderous Israeli government likes to make this point in their own defense before the world, as if that makes killing them somehow okay.
Cheers, thanks for that.
IF they can they will exterminate most of the Palestinians..............these people are butchers!
Loved the narrative... Although it may seem as if some of us are led to believe the official denials of the genocide occurring right in front of our noses, the unconscious rumbling in our heart is a sign that all is not well in our collective soul. How can we allow such an atrocity to occur in this day and age... how can we stare in the face of genocide and pretend it's something else, how can we let ourselves be led into the same darkness from which genocides are generated? The answer is much rawer, clearer and much more devastating that the silence suggests... It's the repeated murder of children that haunts our soul, and does so every day ... Something is very wrong with with our species....
Thanks, Caitlin. I recently found your page and read you regularly. I appreciate you continuing to call attention to this issue.
There are so many people putting their fingers in their ears, willfully defiant of reality, asserting quite vocally that there isn't a genocide because they don't believe it. That's their burden of proof: their own belief. It's a strange world in which such people live. There's a legal definition, but because they believe that the ICJ is biased, they don't believe the provisional ruling of "plausible genocide." Never mind that the definition can be matched to conditions on the ground.
But besides that, there are these other indicators of genocide that Israel is displaying that we can examine and make comparisons. Medhi Hasan, on Pod Save America, relayed that the pace of death in Gaza is the worst of any conflict since Rwanda. That's a clue.
https://youtu.be/qqpnfimEMb8?si=0s2g5zwnTAb2kPRW&t=575
As someone whose background is in social science, I can't turn away from what's going on. Gaza commands our attention. You and I have different styles, to be sure, but I am doing my best to uncover the sociological dimension of this genocide. Because Israel is doing _all_ of the things.
For one, it's fallen into reversal of morality, where their citizens think they're doing god's work by blocking aid trucks so as to starve Gazans. They think they're doing the highest good. They don't see how wretched and sadistic their actions are. That's how far Israeli society has descended. I wrote about it here: https://novapsyche.substack.com/p/israels-inversion-of-reality-linked
Thanks again for your keen eye and your acid tongue. We need more people willing to say what they see.
They don't see their humanity and they never did. Their land simply turned over to another gave that message, loud and clear. They were nothing.
Father describes young daughter’s killing by Israel in Gaza
"Four-year-old Salma was shot in the neck and died in her father’s arms, leaving her family only with memories and photos."
I hate them for all these murders, and there is no other way to define what they are doing, murdering thousands and thousands and only god know when it will end.
It won't end when the fighting ends. Not only the soldiers but the whole of Israeli society will forever be changed. You can't put the murderous toothpaste back in the tube. They've unleashed something that will be impossible to corral.
If you read Milton Mayer's They Thought They Were Free, you'll see that he interviewed former everyday Germans who were not part of the Nazi Party but who did take pride in that era. Even decades later, some felt that the culture was just and that it could have succeeded had the leadership not gone insane. People even into their 80s or 90s refused to denounce what that regime did.
(Incidentally, this phenomenon was mirrored in the wake of the Jonestown massacre, where survivors lamented the fact that had Jim Jones not lost his mind that the commune might have thrived; Jones had killed the dream.)
Then, also, I think of mass murderers and serial killers, because genocide is mass murder as a group crime; and as I recall John Wayne Gacy got started on his spree very traumatically but also very triumphantly--he derived great sexual pleasure from his act. Once he transgressed, some switch was flipped in his brain. The drive became insatiable: he needed more and more victims. The same could be said for Ted Bundy, though I don't believe he went into that much detail about his initial experience. And there are other killers besides (BTK, for example).
What Israel has unleashed, they will not be able to contain. The leaders have turned on drives in their population that they will not be able to switch off when the fighting ends.
Germany in WWII came to a halt because they suffered an overwhelming military defeat. This time around, the United States is shielding Israel from any sort of accountability. A rogue state with nuclear power that thinks it can commit mass murder with impunity--what could go wrong?
Absolutely, they have to be stopped because they cannot stop themselves. How could anyone, who claims to care about humanity, either Israelis, Palestinians, or any other of us, fail to stop them? The failure is one of moral courage. The victory is of the craven.
I agree, but they began their genocidal spree many decades ago which started in 1948, with the Nakba. Since then they have been on one killing spree after another which ended for the Palestinians in an open door prison from which they are now trying to escape, pursued by the threat of an outright genocide. 60 percent of the West bank is now in the hands of Israel,, and now e settlers are given a free hand to kill them or run them off their land. What is unfortunate from what I'v read is that most of Israel's rallies are for Netanyahu to be gone but not against the genocide their criminal leader, Netanyahu along with his right wing Likud party is implementing. The US will also carry this stain for abetting their carnage.
When is substack going to remove this abusive pro genocidal ass who continues to harass me????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I have no idea why you are replying to me.
I'm not comparing "the Jews" (as you put it) to anything or anyone. I'm comparing the state of Israel to a complement of various entities throughout history that have committed murder.
You are welcome to take your hostility elsewhere.
Don't answer this fool that I have repeatedy reported to substack and is no more then a troll. I wish he would mouth off on a site he hasn't even gotten underway instead of going around and harassing everyone with his BS. He's usually more abusive to women and it's time substack held him accountable instead of ignoring it.
1. I mentioned neither "the Jews" nor Hamas. So you're strawmanning all of what you're saying here. You're not arguing against me; you're arguing against a construct of your own making.
2. Again, you're welcome to go elsewhere. I won't entertain you.
And what of the rumored 8000 Palestinians held in Israeli jails?
Last count was 11000 but more like 15000 according to some.
And there are numerous reports of torture and summary executions. The torture, even proudly put on video and published online by the IDF itself.
I love you Caitlin. What would we do without you in the middle of all this madness ! You’re the only voice of sanity .
Mona... Caitlin is not the only voice of sanity, but a damned good one... as loud and as clear as anyone would want to hear...
The Gaza genocide is based on the same Zionist principle as was the genocide of the 1940's. Terror was then and is now employed to induce the Arab-speaking original inhabitants of Palestine to vacate their land and homes, so that Jews could have them. The only difference now is that the terror is on an industrial scale, and many more Palestinians have been injured and killed.
Wikipedia reviews the first genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight
"Massacres
Main article: Killings and massacres during the 1948 Palestine War
In his memoirs the Palestinian Arab physician Elias Srouji claims massacres were intended to scare inhabitants. He wrote:
Tactics became even more brutal when the Zionists were ready to complete their occupation of the Galilee in October. By that time the Arab villagers, having seen what had happened elsewhere, had become adamant about staying put in their homes and on their lands. To frighten them away, the occupying forces started a strategy of planned massacres, which were carried out in Eilabun, Faradiyya, Safsaf, Sa'sa', and other villages. In places where this was not to their advantage for one reason or another, the army would resort to forceful expulsion. I was to witness some of these tactics in Rameh a month or so later.[134]
Nathan Krystall writes:
News of the attack on and massacre in Deir Yassin spread quickly throughout Palestine. De Reynier argued that the "general terror" was "astutely fostered by the Jews, with Haganah radio incessantly repeating 'Remember Deir Yassin' and loudspeaker vans broadcasting messages in Arabic such as: 'Unless you leave your homes, the fate of Deir Yassin will be your fate.'"[131]
According to Flapan, "from another perspective, [the Deir Yassin massacre] made perfect sense. More panic was sown among the Arab population by this operation than by anything that had happened up to then.... While Ben-Gurion condemned the massacre in no uncertain terms, he did nothing to curb the independent actions of the Jewish underground armies."[58]"
Might it be that the nature of these events is a photo of the reality of, the actuality of the peoples of the world. Illusions held, idealizations made of others, of their moral sensitivity -like Palestinian babies- murdered? Illusions about the integrity of leaders of so-called democratic countries also murdered. What we see is the breach like an abyss between the sensibilities of leaders and those of its citizens. Biden only started yammering about a tentative peace process only after he had probably been informed that his bull headed fawning support of Bibi’s unmitigated viciousness in smashing all Palestinians to bits, was jeopardizing his “electability” his popularity in the advanced form of a high school popularity contest. Where morality never counts. Giving us bald faced clues as to the depth of Biden’s commitment to Democratic values. Justice? What’s that? Impressive to me is public men like Dan Rather and Robert Reich rant about Trump that carries their hidden agenda urging Biden as the people’s choice. Not even a glance do they make toward the severe moral problem of Biden. Biden -despite being anointed by some as Genocide Joe - is better than authoritarian Trump? Choose: a rapist or an accomplice of a super big mass murderer? For USA President! Viewed as metaphors in the context of today’s major political events against the backdrop of USA’s history of violence against the indigenous, the non whites, the poor domestically and internationally, the choice pins down in bas relief two essences of the USA. Both protected by an ever thinning governmental persona of the always innocent, never guilty nation because never responsible for its acts comprising its huge shadow.
Correct.
I have had to come off a few sites on substack for the reasons you mention above. Still the old 'milksop' vote Biden shit. Just don't want to hear it anymore.
To limit the description of Trump's crimes to rape is ridiculous. They want to end democracy and install him as dictator. It's a disgusting choice for voters. Trump made Jerusalem capital of Israel. Yahu wants to see him elected. GOP wants to enact Project 2025. We have to work with the abysmal system we have until we can manage to change it. Not voting or voting for Trump is an irresponsible thing for a US citizen to do. It won't magically bring about the change so many of us would like to see.
I concur - Re limiting Trump’s disturbance to “just” rape. Unless you consider that action as apropos to all his energética to shit on democracy and all but his syncophants. He excels at rape - attitude, intention, action, domination, etc. Rape is the one thing he excels at. Voting for Biden is to pretend he’s a savior. He ain’t. We are. In standing together United for decency and right action.
I guess - If you and all of yours - were imprisoned for decades in the world’s largest outdoor prison (See Finkelstein and or Pape or Hedges or Peled) for decades - where disappearances and imprisonment were common and movement highly restricted and you were overlooked by the world - that you too might explode with villainy. Your emphasis on Hamas villainy and omission of Israeli’s is quite striking. Disturbing even.
Please do send your website depicting the luxurious lifestyle the Palestinians reveled in. How extraordinarily odd ! The ICJ must have missed that data completely when they judged Israeli actions highly indicative of genocide requiring further investigation before declaring it as fact. You must have exclusive access to such information.And apparently you find the indigenous nature of the Palestinians irrelevant as you must also view the Israeli settler colonial actions including its apartheid structure. I suppose you would have no problem were the indigenous in your neck of the woods to herald that they were sent by the Great Spirit to take over the land you sit on. And set up walls keeping you rifraff away from the Great Spirit’s chosen.
See the reply preceding but responding to your contribution. Odd. All the name calling and attacking.
So there are only high dollar shopping malls in Gaza and damned if those fucking Palestinians should be allowed to have such things. You are a piece of shit the lowest form of primate. This continual MSM lie that you put forth shows just how stupid you are and you seem to think people here are just as clueless as you. Do you have any idea how many Palestinians there are in the US alone? NOT ONE SINGLE TIME HAS A PALESTINIAN BEEN CAUGHT DOING ANYTHING WRONG IN AMERICA! THE ZIONIST NAZI FUCKING ISRAELI HAVE BEEN CAUGHT WORLDWIDE KILLING EVERY FUCKING ONE THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH!
Bob has been trolling now for the last couple of days. I wouldn't pay much attention to the guy - in fact, I would ignore him entirely.
One comment...............Gaza and the West Bank are home for Palestinians. They don't want to leave.
How about being moved BOB to somewhere you don't want to go?
Media attention at present is on Israel and the unnecessary war in the Ukraine.
I ask you why no one is protesting the outrage going on in India, the Hindus massacring Muslims and other smaller religions?
You are so full of shit. This bullshit lie can go both ways. If you want to bring up your bible bullshit then what about "Thou Shall Not Kill" or how about Not stealing. You can keep your lies to yourself.
Since you are an obvious Zionist piece of shit your opinions count for just that shit. You can't push your Sociopathic BullShit here because we know who is committing GENOCIDE AND IT AIN'T HAMAS WHO ARE HONORABLE FREEDOM FIGHTERS WHO DO NONE OF THE THINGS THE TERRORIST IDF DO EVERY DAY! IDF HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TERRORIST! THEY THROW BABIES IN OVENS AND THEIR FATHERS AFTER THEM! THEY RAPE WOMEN AFTER STRIPPING THEM AND BRUTALISING THEM! GO FUCK YOURSELF! DO US ALL A FAVOR!
"Pay attention to this trend, this TV show, this funny video, this celebrity, this product..." And if that's not bad enough, here in Oz, the footy season's started. So the majority of the population with the attention span of a goldfish, would rather watch an artificially created conflict than pay attention to real conflict and have to make a moral or ethical decision regarding that conflict.
But the PM's getting married! The King might be visiting! Stock markets!
If the King does visit Australia, it'll probably be in a box. Fck, that'd keep the MSM occupied for weeks.