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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Oh those "Red Indians", Winston. They understood more about life -- real life in its relationship to human life -- than you'd ever appreciate should someone threaten to reverse one of those fat (lighted) cigars down your pie hole. Another lump of undeservedly worshiped historical rubbish, with the likes of Harry Truman, US Cavalry and Confederate Generals, and all the other "Heroes" that keep Western societies firmly on the path of perpetual imperialist genocidal wars.

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SW's avatar

Churchill was a snob (son of a Duke and an American mother) who looked down on everyone who wasn’t in his social strata. In July of 1946 before Israel was declared a nation, Zionists blew up the King David hotel where the British headquarters were and killed 91. That was the Zionists “thank you” to the now defunct British empire that armed them and crammed it down Palestinian throats. I wonder if Winston had second thoughts.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Interesting speculation certainly.

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gypsy33's avatar

Darlin’, he probably couldn’t see over the rim of his cocktail glass… 😉

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martin's avatar

by 'not admitting' (as is done today), the road to reasoning and rationality is cut off and it is necessary to move to the next stage.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Hello Martin. What is the NEXT stage?

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martin's avatar

gradual 'physical' pressure on israel? people must force governments to apply total bds like the boycott of south-africa, sanctions (like on russia - cut israel from swift, freeze their foreign assets - but global), a blockade like on cuba and north-korea (especially food, i'd suggest) - aireal and naval blockade, send home all israeli ambassadors, deploy un-peacekeepers to the borders of egypt and lebanon and take control of the border crossings. no-fly zone over israel.

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Davina's avatar

I'd love to see that happening right now, Palestinians don't have the time to wait for the world TO ACT, it is being killed right now before our eyes.

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John Turcot's avatar

No Vin, it’s because of MONEY and what it implies. Blaming the U.S for the state of human stupidity is like blaming the Titanic for sinking. The culprits of the human condition are each of the Members of the human species. When it is realized that the power of money decides the fate of the species, maybe we can have a chance at redesigning its tentacles.

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gypsy33's avatar

Turcot, there are fools and there are damned fools and I’m a-feared you’re one-a the latter.

Nowhere in the post you addressed is it mentioned that the Jewnited States of Amerikkka is the only culprit in purveying war and genocide.

It DOES however appear to be the very best at it. Is everybody lookin’ forward to war with Venezuela? Get out the fuckin’ popcorn!

And yeah, you humans as a species need to disappear.

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Helga Fellay's avatar

It is indeed the JEWnited States of Amerikkka which is not only the most enthusiastic but the most cruel and ruthless killer of innocent men, women children and infants in its power grab.

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gypsy33's avatar

It’s inbred in ‘em, Helga.

They ain’t human; they’re fuckin’ vampires.

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Geoff everall's avatar

1000%

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JennyStokes's avatar

This is about 'racism.' The west cannot live with the idea that WHITE people are no longer relevant.

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gypsy33's avatar

Damn straight, Jenny!

(Good to see you btw, Sistah)

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Dave Darby's avatar

"White people" are not the problem. It's the Zionist fake jews. They are the true racists. Also, let's not forget that while Black people were enslaving other black people and white people were enslaving other white people long before the two races ever met, it was white people who put an end to the evil institution. Black slavery still exists in record numbers, right where it began. in Africa. it was black people who kidnapped other black people and sold them into slavery.

https://qz.com/africa/1333946/global-slavery-index-africa-has-the-highest-rate-of-modern-day-slavery-in-the-world

THOMAS SOWELL - THE REAL HISTORY OF SLAVERY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWrfjUzYvPo

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JennyStokes's avatar

Good evening Dave.

How old are you?

Where do you live?

Your knowledge of History is sadly lacking.

Tell me please exactly who 'shipped' slaves over to the USA and Europe? It is obvious that 'black' people were involved. Why?

I am from a British Colonialist family (white) in Sri Lanka.

YOU have NO idea what I saw as a 'priveleged' white person.

MY Father expounded on how the white people had more brains than the average brown person.

Did the British build schools?

Did the British make brown people head of Factory's. NO!

Just like the Americans they took Sri Lankan Natural resources/spices/tea/wood etc.

You need to speak to people who have seen white people 'gobble' up the world.

In India (as in Sri Lanka) in many villages there was a Neem Tree growing.

The Neem Tree is part of village life. It has properties that the English didn't understand.

IF you went on the beach early morning, you would see NATIVES?Savages? cleaning their teeth with Neem Bark.

When the British/Americans discovered the properties of the Neem tree what did they do?

Cordoned off Neem Trees for big Pharma.

How many of you now use Neem Tree toothpaste?

DO not mess with my brain because I know more than you.

Please go away and read.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Aww, gyp, dear. John was just stating the obvious, while choosing to ignore that the main warmonger addressed was one Mr. Churchill of the UK.

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Helga Fellay's avatar

Why go back to history of the past when currently we are dealing with an overload of warmongers. Secretary of State Rubio and Ms. Lindsey Graham are just two examples of many, far too many.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Those who fail to fully understand history are condemned to repeat it, and in my experience Americans are rather inept at understanding their own.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I am in France. This is nothing BUT racism.

After ruling the World us white people are found wanting!

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Helga Fellay's avatar

Then why do those who fully understand history also seem to repeat it? Could it be the greed, narcissism and other mental deficiencies also play a role, perhaps a bigger role than merely understanding alone?

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Helga Fellay's avatar

was it this comment which was deleted? Why, pray tell?

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gypsy33's avatar

Riiight, wasn’t he a piece of work?

In a perfect world a world leader and the town drunk wouldn’t be the same person 😁

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

We might consult Congesswoman Pelosi for her experienced opinion on that one. 😁

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gypsy33's avatar

And Hegseth, Vin? 😉

Hey somebody get that man a beer!

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Helga Fellay's avatar

Perhaps the burden of being a world leader would drive anyone to drink. Or to white powder - just ask Zelensky. (joke) It definitely would drive me to it. Thank the Lord I am not a leader of any kind, much less a world leader.

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John Turcot's avatar

Helga,

“Thank the Lord”

Which one?? Hopefully not the One who picked the Chosen?

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Dave Darby's avatar

Churchill and Roosevelt were chiefly responsible for World War II breaking out.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

I’d agree

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JennyStokes's avatar

Hello Gypsy. This whole 'chaos' is nothing but money/racism.

In Europe we are going to continue a war against Russia. Doesn't matter that the Country will go broke. The Chinese have a word for this: Saving face.

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Davina's avatar

It's also strange that the evangelical movement caught on fast in US, a cult that makes money godlike. Look at the US, the top % are making money without having to lift a finger, the next lot are desperately trying to hang on to the money they have accumulated, next comes the ones who are just breaking even and at the lower end moneywise are those struggling just to get by from week to week. And the rest of the world is becoming its carbon copy.

So the whole time, while people are focussed on money and survival, there is these shady deals and takeovers going on while the devil's chosen Israhellis get on with spreading hate, death, starvation and killing of the people of Palestine; the beginning of the new order of the world for satan by his loyal servants in the zionist state of israhell.

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Geoff everall's avatar

Amo Venezuela. Bravo los Venezolanos. Luchar Con los yanquis.

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gypsy33's avatar

Davina,

Not if we can help it, Grrrrlfriend!

I don’t even have a word for the evangelicals except that they’re stone cold fuckin’ nuts. Gonna get “raptured” up into heaven at the “end times”? Where the fuck do they GET this shit from?!

Anyways I’d just bet that their “god” loves folks who supported a genocide, if he’s anything like they are!

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JennyStokes's avatar

Suggestion to all of you. REad and learn from Tocqueville. "Democracy in America."

Money.....it's all there. Pity the Europeans didn't follow him.

When I read this book (aged 23yrs) I recognised 2 things. 1) How money ruled and 2) the smugness of the Europeans.

It is a good read.

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John Turcot's avatar

Jenny ,

Haven’t read about Tocqueville’s narrative about Money, but do remember Chomsky’s description of its importance when he stated that there were three important things in life that mattered, the first was Money, the second was Money, and said that he couldn’t remember the third.

The Israelis know that the best, and talk about the subject more often that mice talk about cheese.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Tocqueville arrived in the USA to observe the new Country. It's all about money.

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Helga Fellay's avatar

It is indeed because of MONEY. But the culprits are not EACH member of the human species. I blame those in power who make these stupid decisions. The poor don't have the power to make stupid decisions.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Helga.

There are 2 people who you Americans could have voted for: Ralph Nader and Bernie Sanders (before he threw in his lot with the Dems).

You people (same in Europe) are the ones responsible.

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gypsy33's avatar

Jenny, you got that right, Girl.

And what about all you fuckin’ Amerikkkans WHO DIDN’T vote for JILL STEIN?

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Helga Fellay's avatar

I voted for Jill Stein, and was shocked she got surprisingly little support. Jill is a Jew, and perhaps the zios did not want her to be successful, as she clearly is NOT a zionist, so they, in their sick minds, thought that she was a traitor so they wanted to finish her career before it actually started.

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John Turcot's avatar

Helga,

“The poor don’t have the power to make stupid decisions”

True enough,,,, but in general they have the power to be conscious of their social positions. It’s not because of the 1% that we are so fucked, but because the rest of the gang is always ready to use the hammers that the elite have placed in our hands.

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Dave Darby's avatar

That isn't quite right. It was the Union generals Sherman and Sheridan who committed genocide in the US, both to southern civilians and the native Americans. Native Americans actually aligned with the Confederacy, as they had similar interests. It was the Union armies serving the imperialistic causes.

The horrors of waging total war against civilian populations was legitimized as federal armies marched through the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia in 1864, burning every house, farm, and business in sight, and terrorizing helpless women and children. General Grant famously ordered cavalry officer Philip Sheridan to render the valley so barren that a crow flying over it would have to pack its own lunch.

Sheridan’s terror campaign was so successful that to this day residents still speak of “The Burning.” After the war Sheridan, Sherman, and Custer went on to finish off the Indians, administer the occupation of the South for a dozen years, and reorganize the voluntary local militias into a federally funded (and controlled) “national guard.”

And..

On June 27, 1865, General William Tecumseh Sherman was given command of the Military District of the Missouri, which was one of the five military divisions into which the U.S. government had divided the country. Sherman received this command for the purpose of commencing the twenty-five-year war against the Plains Indians, primarily as a form of veiled subsidy to the government-subsidized railroad corporations and other politically connected corporations involved in building the transcontinental railroads. These corporations were the financial backbone of the Republican Party. Indeed, in June 1861, Abraham Lincoln, former legal counsel of the Illinois Central Railroad, called a special emergency session of Congress not to deal with the two-month-old Civil War, but to commence work on the Pacific Railway Act. Subsidizing the transcontinental railroads was a primary (if not the primary) objective of the new Republican Party.

Sherman wrote in his memoirs that as soon as the war ended, “My thoughts and feelings at once reverted to the construction of the great Pacific Railway. . . . I put myself in communication with the parties engaged in the work, visiting them in person, and assured them that I would afford them all possible assistance and encouragement” (2005, 775). “We are not going to let a few thieving, ragged Indians check and stop the progress [of the railroads],” Sherman wrote to Ulysses S. Grant in 1867 (qtd. in Fellman 1995, 264).

The chief engineer of the government-subsidized transcontinental railroads was Grenville Dodge, another of Lincoln’s generals during the war with whom Sherman worked closely afterward. As Murray Rothbard points out, Dodge “helped swing the Iowa delegation to Lincoln” at the 1860 Republican National Convention, and “[i]n return, early in the Civil War, Lincoln appointed Dodge to army general. Dodge’s task was to clear the Indians from the designated path of the country’s first heavily subsidized federally chartered trans-continental railroad, the Union Pacific.” In this way, Rothbard concludes, “conscripted Union troops and hapless taxpayers were coerced into socializing the costs of constructing and operating the Union Pacific” (1997, 130).

Immediately after the war, Dodge proposed enslaving the Plains Indians and forcing them “to do the grading” on the railroad beds, “with the Army furnishing a guard to make the Indians work, and keep them from running away” (Brown 2001, 64). Union army veterans were to be the “overseers” of this new class of slaves. Dodge’s proposal was rejected; the U.S. government decided instead to try to kill as many Indians as possible.

President Grant made his old friend Sherman the army’s commanding general, and another Civil War luminary, General Phillip Sheridan, assumed command on the ground in the West. “Thus the great triumvirate of the Union Civil War effort,” writes Sherman biographer Michael Fellman, “formulated and enacted military Indian policy until reaching, by the 1880s, what Sherman sometimes referred to as ‘the final solution of the Indian problem’” (1995, 260).

What Sherman called the “final solution of the Indian problem” involved “killing hostile Indians and segregating their pauperized survivors in remote places.” “These men,” writes Fellman, “applied their shared ruthlessness, born of their Civil War experiences, against a people all three [men] despised. . . . Sherman’s overall policy was never accommodation and compromise, but vigorous war against the Indians,” whom he regarded as “a less-than-human and savage race” (1995, 260).

All of the other generals who took part in the Indian Wars were “like Sherman [and Sheridan], Civil War luminaries,” writes Sherman biographer John Marszalek. “Their names were familiar from Civil War battles: John Pope, O. O. Howard, Nelson A. Miles, Alfred H. Terry, E. O. C. Ord, C. C. Augur . . . Edward Canby . . . George Armstrong Custer and Benjamin Garrison” (1993, 380). General Winfield Scott Hancock also belongs on this list.

Sherman and Sheridan’s biographers frequently point out that these men apparently viewed the Indian Wars as a continuation of the job they had performed during the Civil War. “Sherman viewed Indians as he viewed recalcitrant Southerners during the war and newly freed people after: resisters to the legitimate forces of an ordered society” (Marszalek 1993, 380). Marszalek might well have written also that Southerners, former slaves, and Indians were not so much opposed to an “ordered society,” but to being ordered around by politicians in Washington, D.C., primarily for the benefit of the politicians’ corporate benefactors.

“During the Civil War, Sherman and Sheridan had practiced a total war of destruction of property. . . . Now the army, in its Indian warfare, often wiped out entire villages” (Marszalek 1993, 382). Fellman writes that Sherman charged Sheridan “to act with all the vigor he had shown in the Shenandoah Valley during the final months of the Civil War” (1995, 270). Sheridan’s troops had burned and plundered the Shenandoah Valley after the Confederate army had evacuated the area and only women, children, and elderly men remained there (Morris 1992, 183). Even Prussian army officers are said to have been shocked when after the war Sheridan boasted to them of his exploits in the Shenandoah Valley.

“[Sherman] insisted that the only answer to the Indian problem was all-out war—of the kind he had utilized against the Confederacy,” writes Marszalek. “Since the inferior Indians refused to step aside so superior American culture could create success and progress, they had to be driven out of the way as the Confederates had been driven back into the Union” (1993, 380).

Sherman’s compulsion for the “extermination” of anyone opposed to turning the U.S. state into an empire expressed the same reasoning he had expressed earlier with regard to his role in the War Between the States. In a letter to his wife early in the war, he declared that his ultimate purpose was “extermination, not of soldiers alone, that is the least part of the trouble, but the people.” Mrs. Sherman responded by expressing her similar wish that the conflict would be a “war of extermination, and that all [Southerners] would be driven like the swine into the sea. May we carry fire and sword into their states till not one habitation is left standing” (qtd. in Walters 1973, 61). Sherman did his best to take his wife’s advice, especially during his famous “march to the sea.” It is little wonder that Indian Wars historian S. L. A. Marshall observes, “[M]ost of the Plains Indian bands were in sympathy with the Southern cause” during the war (1972, 24).

One theme among all of these Union Civil War veterans is that they considered Indians to be subhuman and racially inferior to whites and therefore deserving of extermination if they could not be “controlled” by the white population. Sherman himself thought of the former slaves in exactly the same way. “The Indians give a fair illustration of the fate of the negroes if they are released from the control of the whites,” he once said (qtd. in Kennett 2001, 296). He believed that intermarriage of whites and Indians would be disastrous, as he claimed it was in New Mexico, where “the blending of races had produced general equality, which led inevitably to Mexican anarchy” (qtd. in Kennett 2001, 297).

Sherman described the inhabitants of New Mexico, many of whom were part Mexican (Spanish), part Indian, and part Negro, as “mongrels.” His goal was to eliminate the possibility that such racial amalgamation might occur elsewhere in the United States, by undertaking to effect what Michael Fellman called a “racial cleansing of the land” (1995, 264), beginning with extermination of the Indians.

Sherman, Sheridan, and the other top military commanders were not shy about announcing that their objective was extermination, a term that Sherman used literally on a number of occasions, as he had in reference to Southerners only a few years earlier. He and Sheridan are forever associated with the slogan “the only good Indian is a dead Indian.” “All the Indians will have to be killed or be maintained as a species of paupers,” he said. Sherman announced his objective as being “to prosecute the war with vindictive earnestness . . . till [the Indians] are obliterated or beg for mercy” (qtd. in Fellman 1995, 270). According to Fellman, Sherman gave “Sheridan prior authorization to slaughter as many women and children as well as men Sheridan or his subordinates felt was necessary when they attacked Indian villages” (1995, 271).

https://www.independent.org/tir/2010-fall/the-culture-of-violence-in-the-american-west/

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Hello: I specified "US Cavalry" as well. No warmongering asshole "military leader" in the US is free from taint because the agenda was never in the interest of anyone "un-white". But thanks for the history.

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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Never forgive Israel. It must be canceled and the Entity and supporters arrested as War Criminals. One State Palestine.

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gypsy33's avatar

Right on Chuck. IsraHell’s disappearing a lot of Palestinians; time to DISAPPEAR ISRAHELL for good.

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GS-z-14-1's avatar

Never forgive the US, UK, France, Germany, etc.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Israel should NOT exist. Blow the place up.

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Helen Londe MD's avatar

Unfortunately there are other species who live in Israel and they do not deserve to be blown up. I wish there were a way to separate out all the Israeli war criminals and incarcerate them. I would add my "charming" senators* in CA, both of whom voted against Sander's bill to stop some of the weapons being sent to Israel to kill Palestinians. I am vague about the details, but I am not sure that Sander's bill was comprehensive enough. No arms to Israel ever again. And somehow get rid of its nuclear weapons.

*Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla--complicit in genocidal murders of Palestinians and Israel's ecocide--Gaza is on a bird migration route

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gypsy33's avatar

Very true, Dr. Helen. I hesitate to say Nuke IsraHell because of that; innocent creatures don’t deserve to pay the price because they happen to share the same space as Ziofilth. Not to mention all the Palestinians still residing there!

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ikester8's avatar

Agreed. The UN should withdraw recognition of Israel and withdraw the charter that created Israel in the first place, and recognize the full borders of Palestine, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon as what they were before. There's a small question of what to do about Israel's nuclear weapons but I'm sure Russia and the US could divide them out to be dismantled in their turn. The UN would have to bypass the Security Council and its guaranteed veto by the US and the UK, but there's a mechanism for doing so, Uniting for Peace. There will need to be peacekeepers for many years, assuming the Jews of American, European and Russian origin don't just run the hell out of there.

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Charlie Proud's avatar

💯

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Stefano Montani's avatar

Don't foget. Don't forgive. And understand: in what kind of world we lieve; by what powers it is truely governed; what are its true rules; and which place we really have in this world; and which are our true enemies and our true brothers.

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Levi Tate's avatar

My view of the people inhabiting this world has changed so much. And not in a good way.

I never imagined I would EVER encounter up close and personal someone that supported genocide. THEY are everywhere!

Could you have possibly guessed that Jews would support genocide.

And never ever would you imagine that a majority of Jews would support genocide.

And, you know well, that it is not just Jews supporting this genocide. THEY are everywhere!

I have arrived at the assessment that people generally are very much on par with Adolf Eichmann.

Adolf Eichmann was NOT an exception.

He is a rule.

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Stefano Montani's avatar

Israeli Jews are the immediate perpetrators, but the same possibility of this Holocaust lie in the power that governs this world, and in our time this power lies in the US (with all its lackeys like the EU). But not in the democratic US, which is not the case. But in the undemocratic oligarchic power the dominates us all. So, the problem is systemic. And if the system doesn't change, such crimes will happen again. At least we have to get from all this madness some new conscience of the structure of the world and recognize and reject our illusions about it.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"So, the problem is systemic. And if the system doesn't change, such crimes will happen again."

🎯💯 Stefano, you and I understand this, but unfortunately many people don't. They keep blaming 'religion' or 'Jews' or whatever (as the root cause) instead of the SYSTEM that creates such behaviors and incentives in humans. As you rightly say, "unless the system is changed", similar events will continue happening globally...

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1dEdited

It’s a vicious cycle of abuse seen throughout history: ‘yesterday’s abused become tomorrow’s abusers’ … and the delusion of the abusers is that if they can exterminate the abused, the cycle will be broken … like I said, delusional.

The only time I have seen, with my own eyes, where the vicious cycle is replaced by a more virtuous cycle is when individuals or small groups choose to break the pattern through genuine, heartfelt forgiveness: of the other and themselves - I am thinking some Australian Aboriginal Elders I know, and also people like Gabor Mate … but it’s a big ask: I just hope I would have the grace and courage if it were me …

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gypsy33's avatar

Levi, are you fuckin’ shittin’ me? Da Jooz been tryin’ to genocide the Palestinians for DECADES.

Comparing Satanyahoo to Eichman is insulting.

To Eichman.

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John Turcot's avatar

Gupsy333,

Seems you are about as clear as black tar… I would recommend you get off your wagon and start thinking a bit more, and use English as a language.

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gypsy33's avatar

Fuck off Turcot. I’m a midwesterner and I talk like one.

Why would I wanna speak “the King’s English”? Ain’t MY fuckin’ king! 😁

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John Turcot's avatar

Gypsy,

“Fuck off Turcot”… why are you assuming that Midwesterners are as unskilled in the English language as you seem to be? I just hope a few Midwesterner’s are present to correct your assumption.

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gypsy33's avatar

Turcot, you could say a LOT worse things about me than “being unskilled at the English language”

😂😂😂

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Feral Finster's avatar

I had that figured out a long time ago.

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gypsy33's avatar

Feral…hoomans 🙄

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John Turcot's avatar

Stephanie,

“Don’t forget…. What place we truly have in this world”. Yes, when Darwin suggested that our ancestry was closer to apes than to Gods, maybe a little more humility should have set in.

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gypsy33's avatar

GTFOH Turcot!

I ain’t aware of any APES that started a world war…time for “humans” to turn over the reins 😁

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John Turcot's avatar

Gypsy33,

“I ain’t aware of any apes that started a world war”. Mmmmm! Try ‘Homo Sapiens’ the naked ones.

As far as you being “aware” I would add that awareness does not seem to be one of your assets.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

The gaslighting is getting so thick as people in Gaza are being deliberately starved to death, bombed and having their land stolen. Again.

Here's what I think needs to happen:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzRX5hgm1A

Israel has to be stopped.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Diana. WHITE people have to be stopped.

For far too long white people have run (ruined) our world on the premise that white people are smarter than brown people!

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gypsy33's avatar

I’m technically half-white Jenny.

And I completely reject that half.

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Tony Erizia's avatar

So according to the zionist book of ethics, its ok to starve sick children!?

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Ismaele's avatar
2dEdited

Have you heard the news about the US navy deployment off the coast of Venezuela?

https://geopolitiq.substack.com/p/is-trump-about-to-wage-war-against?r=25fc37

It looks like Venezuela is next, after the US failures in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Yemen, Iran, etc.

I really look forward to the umpteenth humiliation of the Outlaw US Empire!

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Jo Waller's avatar

They were successful in Syria though. And seem to be doing alright in Palestine.

It's not always about winning either, but making money for arms industry shareholders.

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Ismaele's avatar

That's true... unfortunately!

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Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

"It just occurred to me that at some point in the future they’re going to try to demand that we condemn whatever radicalized groups and militias wind up emerging as a result of the Gaza genocide."

Oh yes, they will definitely claim that Hamas is every where now, once they purge every Palestinian out of Greater Israel. They will claim that they have been radicalized for some unknown reason and now the entire world is in danger of having their own Oct. 7 or 911. They'll ratchet up that every one should be terrified because the terrorists are in our midst and we should shut our doors and never come out to see the light of day. Every Muslim will have a scarlet letter plastered on their backs saying "Beware, I am a suicide bomber and I just might blow myself up for no reason." I thought about that when Bibi warned that "Hamas is not just Israel's Problem, it's everyone's problem." (https://thesandiegosun.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/JewBelong2-scaled.jpg)

Not to mention all the bitching and complaining the inhabitants of Western Nations are gonna make about their countries being taken over and invaded by Muslims from the Middle East/West Asia. These countries will call them immigrants that need to go back to where they came from because now they are all turning their countries into Sharia Law Shitholes. They will blame these immigrants who are actually refugees for the deterioration of their pristine countries, blame them for every rape, robbery, and piece of trash in the streets. They will mock them and be sure to post insulting images and videos citing "look at how these immigrants are ruining our country."

They won't make the connection that these immigrants are actually refugees, fleeing from war torn countries. They won't connect the dots that the countries these so-called invaders are coming from were blasted into smithereens because their greedy, warmongering, colonizing Western leaders continue to destabilize the countries the immigrants come from. That the Empire managers regime change their leaders, bomb their countries, mass starved the people, ruin their economies, set up puppet leaders who are sympathetic to the west, destroyed their infrastructures and sacred sights, and on and on.

Some one said to me, "Illegal aliens committed a crime by crossing the border. Didn’t you know that?", and I said, "You mean like the ones who came on the Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria?"

It's as if people live in a bubble of delusionary concepts that stream in a linear fashion. A bubble that is remiss to connect any dots except what is spoon fed to them through a tiny hole in their bubble. Otherwise, cognitive dissonance will become a Mental Disorder cited in the DMS-5.

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JennyStokes's avatar

100% agree.

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ikester8's avatar

An addendum to your quote about the white people who arrived in the Americas illegally (I like that, I'm stealing it, with full attribution): It broke my heart when I read that many tribes of Native Americans tried to join the Union as States, but were rebuffed and exterminated instead. The whole genocide could have been derailed.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

The one revision to your comment I would make is that - all the things you say will happen in the future are ALREADY happening NOW (and have been happening for a couple of decades at least), though as you say - everyone is in their own bubble of reality, their own perceptions and narratives about the world.

>>"cognitive dissonance will become a Mental Disorder cited in the DMS-5"

I doubt it. People (humans) seem to be exceptionally good at resolving cognitive dissonances by ignoring data that go against their beliefs and search for data that confirms/supports their beliefs. It is a RARE individual that is actually impacted enough by 'cognitive dissonace' to actually do something about it and resolve it in a healthy way.

As a way of avoiding dissonance and estrangement from valued groups, individuals subconsciously resist factual information that threatens their defining values. What we believe about the facts often tells us who we are. And the most important psychological imperative most of us have in a given day is protecting our idea of who we are and our relationships with the people we trust and love.

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Nana Baakan Agyiriwah's avatar

You said:" As a way of avoiding dissonance and estrangement from valued groups, individuals subconsciously resist factual information that threatens their defining values."

I think this is one of the most effective tools that they use against the masses to get them to go along with the "current" narrative.

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Beige44's avatar

As the mass starvation gets more media coverage, Trump feels compelled to mouth platitudes like "It's a bad situation. Something has got to be done." His nauseating PR posing masks the fact that he is the architect, engineer, and facilitator of the genocide along with his boss Benjamin Netanyahu. That makes Trump the most evil president in US history, responsible for the Gaza genocide AND the democide of millions of gullible people through the lethal, medically useless, always harmful genetic slurries (covid "vaccines"). All this while he pathetically demands a Nobel peace prize in his delusional fantasy-world that he stopped or prevented 7 or 10 wars (!) Trump will go down as an evil failure.

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gypsy33's avatar

Are you forgetting Jerkoff Joe ByeDone, Beige?

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Beige44's avatar

No, Biden is equally guilty, in my opinion. Good point. All the perpetrators should be in prison for life, at a minimum, for crimes against humanity.

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John Turcot's avatar

44,

Well said!

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includeMeOut's avatar

Yetenyahoo also took great credit for the rollout of the deadly COVID quaxx on the Israeli public who became early guinea pigs for Pfizer and many have suffered health collapse accordingly. Because we know how much these rulers care about our health.

A quick AI inquiry offers the following:

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Early vaccination and strong advocacy

Vaccinated on live TV: In December 2020, Netanyahu became the first Israeli to receive the COVID-19 vaccine, taking his shot on live television to encourage public trust. He called it a "small injection for one man, but a great step for all of our health".

Secured vaccine supply: During his time as prime minister, Netanyahu personally negotiated with Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla to secure millions of vaccine doses for Israel, helping the country achieve one of the fastest vaccination rates in the world. Bourla reportedly told The Times of Israel that he was impressed with Netanyahu's "obsession" with securing the vaccines.

Promoted vaccination widely: He promoted vaccination across all segments of the population, including Israel's Arab citizens, and personally visited vaccination centers. He rejected criticisms that the vaccine rollout was excluding Arab communities.

Political messaging: Netanyahu framed the vaccination campaign as a major achievement of his leadership and a key to reopening the country. He dubbed Israel a "vaccination nation" and made the rollout a central part of his political platform ahead of the March 2021 elections.

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I realize one can be accused of all sorts of nastiness and even run out of cybertown for mentioning this amongst the COVID Left so at the risk of offering offense to some I offer this info and beg forgiveness preemptively.

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Uncle Shamus's avatar

Let’s face it this pack of yews are some really sick f—cks😢 free Palestine.

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Tenggara's avatar

Not only are they sick, they’re shameless about it. I mean, Israel has been announcing their sick agenda and the whole world is supposed to just roll-over and let them do it. And NOW the Arab leaders have their panties in a twist about Greater Israel despite the fact that these sickos have been saying it (with maps!) since forever? Is something up that we don’t know about?

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Wren's avatar

The world is constantly hearing from Israeli psychopaths. Psychopaths have no emotions and can be clever, and are always manipulative. To them, no one else matters. They have no empathy, no remorse, and have a grandiose sense of self-worth. It is incurable, but can be contained. Who will contain them? That is all that matters.

The genocide has risen to such a horrific degree that it demands to be stopped by other states with enough power to do so. Short of that, this ravenous lion continues to strike.

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Levi Tate's avatar

Address their conscience (and subconscious) whenever possible.

"Your conscience will always remember that you supported genocide."

"Your conscience will always remember that you supported genocide."

"Your conscience will always remember that you supported genocide."

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Psychopaths and sociopaths don't have much of a conscience, so this won't work on them.

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Feral Finster's avatar

In 1937, Winston Churchill stated the following while arguing in favor of allowing Jews to settle in Palestine:

“I do not admit that the dog in the manger has the final right to the manger, even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit, for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to those people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, or, at any rate, a more worldly-wise race, to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. I do not admit it. I do not think the Red Indians had any right to say, The American Continent belongs to us and we are not going to have any of these European settlers coming in here. They had not the right, nor had they the power.”

Churchill knew exactly what he was looking at in the Zionist agenda to colonize Palestine. There was no confusion whatsoever. It wasn’t until much later that history was revised through propaganda to spin this as something other than the western settler-colonialist project that it has always been.

Zionist arguments inevitably boil down to "might is right". Except when News are victims. Then "Victims Status Trumps Everything!"

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JennyStokes's avatar

Churchill was a racist in the employ of the Great British Colonialism.

Why did not GB allow the Israeli/Jews to live in England?

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Pippi Smythe's avatar

Who funded bankrupted Churchill? Same people who incorporated "Israel" and created it as a bank for the money from the oil flow.

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gypsy33's avatar

Greenies for YOU Feral 😼

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Jo Waller's avatar

As the climate crisis accelerates- controlling access to food is going to become more and more a powerful weapon. https://jowaller.substack.com/p/human-caused-starvation-in-gaza-is

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JennyStokes's avatar

Actually JO I think it will be WATER not food.

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John Turcot's avatar

Hi, yes, you’re on the right track.. but Israel has beaten everyone to that fact, and is already in full control of our food.. just ask Palestinians …..

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Jo Waller's avatar

'Israel' is not in full control of our food but the US deep state ie mainly US based interests fossils fuels, animal ag, agrochemicals, pharma, tech, AI, media, banking and arms are pretty close.

Yes, Israel is ahead but the agricultural failures and mass migrations in the next few decades from the climate crisis, that the deep state knows all about, will make Gaza look like a tea party.

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gypsy33's avatar

Ain’t no Jooz in control of MY food, shit-for-brains. I grow the entirety of my own fruits and vegetables in the ground I’m walkin’ on. It’s you CITY PEOPLE gonna be fucked.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Gypsy. You can grow your own food BUT when WATER is controlled by big corporations you will not be able to grow your own food. It's coming.

Here in Europe we have had HELL weather. All the aquifers are dry.

How are we going to put out fires let alone water our crops?

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ikester8's avatar

The control of water was proof positive that Gaza was an open-air concentration camp. The cutting off of said water was proof of genocidal intent.

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gypsy33's avatar
1dEdited

Hiya Jenny.

I have two wells on my property.

And remember, my state of Michigan is surrounded by one-fifth of the world’s freshwater!

Only states with a border on one of the Great Lakes are allowed to access it. We’ll always have water, at least, where I live.

We’ve also had heavy rainfalls here this summer; it’s reliable. There are no large farms here that I know of that irrigate.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Though the climate crisis, being accelerated on purpose by the deep state, is going to make it more and more difficult for you to grow your fruit and veg, and to obtain grains and beans and will make it much more likely that people will come to steal what you grow.

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JennyStokes's avatar

JO. You pay NO attention to WATER!

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Jo Waller's avatar

And as we know the body can go weeks without eating- but a few days without water with severe problems in functioning after 24 hours.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Correct. I was merely pointing out that not many people even discuss water.

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gypsy33's avatar

No worries, Jo, I’m VERY well-armed 😉

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Pippi Smythe's avatar

COP 15 sign in Montreal, Canada Dec 2022. 30% of the rural areas are to be cleared out by 2030. Proposed is 50% by 2050, 90% by 2090. Signs are already up in my small Canadian rural community. We have already lost our ancient property water rights. Rules have been passed, due to Agenda 21, and slowly are implemented. Living and growing rurally is to be banned under Agenda 21. Read Agenda 2030, signed in Paris, in 2015, by Trudeau. Owning private property will be abolished, the rural area "rewilded." See the BC Caribou Recovery Program. See the thousands of "Stack n Packs" being built in Vancouver, after bulldozing perfectly good homes for Land Assemblies.

Where do you live that you are calmly assured your growing will continue?

I'll move there.

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gypsy33's avatar

I live on a farm in south-central Michigan, Pippi.

In a heavily agricultural area. My county has strict rules in place concerning the preservation of farmland.

We’d welcome you.

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Michael  Lynch's avatar

These Zionists are simply reborn SS, in a new and fashionable Hugo Boss uniform. No difference, except that they don't presently use gas chambers and crematoria. They do have a PR department that would make Dr. Goebbels proud. One could easily draw parallels between Heydrich and Netanyahu. How's that for "blood libel"?

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John Turcot's avatar

To “never forget” is sound advice, but if we as a species don’t change our way of thinking as it relates to how we live together on Earth, with nuclear arsenals and climate change on the immediate horizon, there may not be anyone left to remember anything.

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gypsy33's avatar

Turcot, can y’all say “duh”?

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John Turcot's avatar

Gypsy33,

“ can y’all say duh?”

I don’t know which whisky you drink, but I would make sure not to drink the same one.

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Steven Marriott's avatar

Unfortunately by the comments I read the bad people are going to win because we cannot agree on anything that will save us from these megalomaniacs. Maybe they are smarter,more intelligent and with a hint of monkey cunning .Time will tell.

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martin's avatar

imo, they're not disagreeing, just fooling around. they tend to agree on the megalomaniacs, afaik.

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John Turcot's avatar

Steven,

“Maybe they are more intelligent” is possible indeed… but ‘ intelligence’ is overrated in spades. Monkeys can’t make nuclear arsenals, but intelligent apes can.

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gypsy33's avatar

Awww Turcot, you’re cute, ain’t you just? 🙄

Gonna make you keep sufferin’ my Midwest speech. Endlessly.

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John Turcot's avatar

Gypsy33,

“ you’re cute” … well, haven’t heard that compliment come my way for at least 100 years.. never too late to be appreciated.

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gypsy33's avatar

Don’t get a big head, Turcot; it wasn’t literal.

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Morrigan Johnson's avatar

I think about this a lot. Two things can be true at the same time. The Zionist Jews are by public opinion a problem as a society, not just a state. But both their society and state are manipulated by powers above them. So, to never forgive “who or what?”

Not much effort to even seek the truth, not from Muslims, not from Jews. Hatred is easier, and it’s become so easy to hate. Anyone can be given reasons to hate others, and so on. There’s nothing special about that, nothing enlightening about taking the bait.

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michael janket's avatar

Easy to hate when the majority of Americans are lazed out? Like, they don't know, they don't care. If I questioned 10 people on a sidewalk about some political intrigue, 8 out 10 would drop back and punt. There are reasons why people hate, most of them legit.

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Morrigan Johnson's avatar

No, actually. Don't even hate your enemies.

I hate lots of things, I hate pineapple, I hate Starbucks. But this is the lowest expression of civilizational decay in world history. Mankind can either learn the lessons from it, or perish.

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gypsy33's avatar

Morgan, that’s one tall order, asking not to hate the Ziofilth.

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Morrigan Johnson's avatar

LMAO I KNOW

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John Turcot's avatar

Agreed on your general take Morrigan, but also adding that Money has taken over the welfare of humanity needs to be examined as one of the principal roots of our problems.

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Morrigan Johnson's avatar

Once we realize how bad things really are, I think we begin to relax a bit.

Even the preppers cannot find the axioms of basic communication, cooperation, or how to share the cereal or the coffee over breakfast. Humanity has no hope even if we have to start over.

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John Turcot's avatar

I agree with your general assessment of our predicaments. I would not quite go as far as believing there is NO hope however. Remember the old saying of someone analyzing a baseball game in the bottom of the ninth.. “It ain’t over till it’s over”

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JennyStokes's avatar

Excuse me. Asia is doing quite well.

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John Turcot's avatar

Jenny,

“Asia is doing quite well”. ???

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