If I were going to commit a genocide, I’d make sure to kill as many women and children as possible to eliminate the future generations of the people I was trying to wipe out. Come to think of it, I guess I’d basically do what Israel is doing in Gaza.
Do it anyway. I do. The few people I do reach will spread the word. And the next group will spread that word... and so on and so on. Just do it! #EndTheGenocide !
Where was Caitlin when the diabolical Covid shots were being mandated and administered? She said she couldn’t see what the fuss was about, and the death toll and censorship about this subject has been brutal.
Yeahhhh, I had an absolutely HORRIFIC response to my “jab”; my arm hurt a bit the next day.
And I did test positive for Covid at one time; my symptoms consisted of a sore throat for a few hours.
On the other hand, my hubs had two unvaxxed uncles who DIED from Covid.
Everyone I know in my circle of acquaintances got vaxxed and we’re all still walking and chewing gum at the same time.
Tell me, are you a person of science? My brother is an MD and couldn’t get his vax quick enough.
And have you received a polio vaccine? Tuberculosis? Tetanus? Measles?
Do what you want, do what you wish ( including getting Covid and spreading it to others) but this thread is NOT about vaccines, so take it elsewhere, pal.
There’s no standardized test for Covid, so what you had most likely was a strong seasonal influenza.
Your arm hurt, did it? Spare me. No one was forcing you to inject yourself with mRNA technology, which aren’t vaccines.
“Destabilizing the social, political and economic structure of 190 sovereign countries cannot constitute a “solution” to combating a novel coronavirus which mysteriously emerged in Wuhan, Hubei province (PRC) in late December 2019. That was the imposed “solution” —implemented in several stages from the very outset–, leading to The March 2020 Lockdown and the Rollout of a so-called Covid 19 “Vaccine” in December 2020, which since its inception has resulted in an upward trend in excess mortality.
It’s the destruction of people’s lives Worldwide. It is the destabilization of civil society.
Fake science was supportive of this devastating agenda. The lies were sustained by a massive media disinformation campaign. 24/7, Incessant and Repetitive “Covid alerts” in the course of more than three years. In turn, the ongoing fear campaign had devastating impacts on people’s health.”
The symptoms of “Covid”, which you apparently found it necessary to patronize, are indeed like a strong seasonal influenza. Your family member is a doctor? Congrats, but that doesn’t mean anything. As for the “silly website” Global Research it’s been doing much of the best writing about Palestine as well as the Covid shots, which are both genocidal: https://www.globalresearch.ca/gaza-update/5841438
The same people cheering for war and genocide decided to place our human rights on hold in order to ‘save us’ and you’re not the least bit suspicious? It’s the same people that said the Iraq war was for our safety. But because your relative is a doctor you believe it? If the opioid crisis taught us anything, it’s that doctors don’t know everything and may just be book smart rule followers. When they tell you to trust us against your instincts and pressure you heavily, we should definitely have a healthy skepticism
The opioid crisis happened because certain people chose to abuse them.
I took Vicodin for many years for pain from a whiplash injury; one a day, never more. When it became too difficult to jump through all the hoops required to get a prescription, I quit it.
She was unfortunately nowhere to be found when it mattered most- 2020, when her own country was put under genocidal lockdowns (like much of the rest of world). Mark Crispin Miller put it more eloquently: “ While Caitlin, resident of Melbourne, riffs indignantly about the bombing of Afghanistan back in 19 B.C. (Before COVID), the staunchest dissidents Down Under are the truck drivers threatening to shut that country down, if its cops don’t take their boots off everybody’s necks.”
It turns out that the working class of Australia had a far more astute understanding of reality.
I don't see the parity implied here but I didn't know anyone that died from COVID lockdowns either. Surely some did. Regardless, I'll leave that to you and the lady of the house to work out.
The lasting effects of the Covid lockdown are incalculable just like we can’t count the true impact of wars. In the end, they were both about erasing human rights
There are estimates that over a million children in Africa died as a result of the breakdown in supply chains because of the lockdowns. Millions around the world died deaths of despair including suicide, homicide, domestic violence, substance abuse like alcoholism and drug overdoses, etc. not to mention the millions of jobs and businesses lost forever. Something a writer ostensibly opposing “imperialism” would have wanted to have noted as it was happening, in real time.
I forgot to mention the deaths caused by people being prohibited from routine medical treatment and screening.
And of course if you were going to commit genocide you’d also pay the worlds biggest gangsters protection money, so that they for instance, would send out a nuclear armed aircraft carrier to stop any of your neighbours from intervening and preventing your actions of genocide. I think in the minstrel media they call it “preventing regional escalation”:
Of course not that the U.S. “Department of Defence” is a mob racket. Or that “political donations” funnelled via AIPAC are intended to interfere in any way with the due course of national policy decisions in the United States..
TBH, I'll believe it when I see. I do not trust Erdoğan 1 iota: the man talks a lot but much of it is hot air. And when it comes to the crunch, the man always caves to U.S. pressure.
Che, Erdogan is a two-faced fuck, but the people of Turkiye are unanimously behind the Palestine cause. Let’s hope beyond hope that this happens; talk about a PR nightmare for Israhell’
I thought I would leave this with you. The US is in such complicity with destruction on a world wide level.
US Sent Israel 15,000 Bombs Since October 7
The transfer has included thousands of 2,000-pound bombs that have been used to devastate Gaza.
by Kyle Anzalone Posted onDecember 1, 2023CategoriesNews
The Wall Street Journal published details about the White House’s secretive arms transfers to Israel since October 7. The US has provided Israel with 57,000 artillery shells and 15,000 bombs, including over 5,000 with 2,000-pound warheads.
According to a list of weapons obtained by the Journal, the US has shipped Israel “more than 5,000 Mk82 unguided or ‘dumb’ bombs, more than 5,400 Mk84 2,000-pound warhead bombs, around 1,000 GBU-39 small diameter bombs, and approximately 3,000 JDAMs.”
The US has additionally shipped 57,000 155 MM shells to Israel. NBC News previously reported in October that Washington sent Tel Aviv artillery rounds that are cluster munitions.
Of course it is, not to mention our many 21st century wars based on lies. lies to carve out the Middle East to our liking. We have no morals when it comes to war, to killing just look at how we used hundreds of thousands of Ukranian lives up to bring down Putin, and now we are abetting a genocide.
I understand that without the US and Boris Johnson we may have had peace. It is all SO sick and unnecessary. Since I was young enough to notice, I saw disgusting behaviour on the part of many humans. I've always remembered.
Power has always been interesting to me psychologically because I understand it. To be a child in a post Colonial Empire was truly disheartening. Now I am depressing myself more.
Which makes me ill every time I wake up in the morning. What the US has become is far from a leader of "human rights". We have a president now in the White House who is not seriously doing anything to stop what by all definitions IS a deliberate targeting of a civilian population - without any other justification for it other than population removal. This is now the state of US morality and defense of human rights - i.e. there is nothing left to value. And Americans need to remember - if a sitting US president will allow and even support logistically the genocide of Palestinians - then eventually, a US sitting president can do the same to American citizens with the same trumped up excuses and justifications. When you take away the human rights of any person - you take those rights away from us all.
The US even when I was a kid never struck me as a moral country. When I watched cowboy and Indian movies on TV I never understood why the Indians were the bad guys when they fought back to keep what was theirs, their land. At 7 I finally realized my country lies to me and wants me to believe what they want me to believe, and after that when ever we saluted the flag in school I would never say with justice and liberty for all because it just wasn't true. I also decided to divide my country into it's people, and it's government and told myself at 8 the government was not to be trusted to tell me the truth and since then I have never taken my government at it's word.
And if you can't repay the 'debt' incurred with interest, obviously, then your children will be held liable and so on. [Imaginary] Money has its downside if any usury or interest is involved. The whole battlefield has been orchestrated by the Money Power, the Hidden Hands of High Finance. Their agenda is beyond horrific.
The USA is paying into its own karma and when that train comes back to hit the wall it's going to be a devastating event..
The problem is the red button will get pressed as the Sampson options going to play out for Israel. And Israel is America s controll center..it's already on its way out but just does not know it.
But have no fear..its only going to sting for a microsecond.
"I’d do exactly what Israel is clearly doing, in plain view of the entire world."
And the whole world just looks the other way--or continues to smear those who speak out in favor of Palestinians as "antisemitic". I'm beginning to think that maybe we should all just learn to take those antisemitic smears of our character in stride. We should just retort: "So what? I'm anti-genocide and anti-Zionist, too. And it appears you're a pro-genocide, pro-murdering, inhuman monster with no conscience. So there!" (A raspberry or a middle finger gesture would be appropriate at this point.) No holding back anymore... We're not going to let them kill more children in the name of racist colonizing! #FreePalestine! #EndTheGenocide !
Did the anti Apartheid movement chant “free the Netherlands from the Dutch. Intifada against the Dutch”? That doesn’t sound very familiar. Why did Nelson Mandela say he was a Zionist and supporter of Israel? Was he misinformed?
Exactly - one of the reasons it’s so hard to talk about this is the weaponisation of antisemitism and the conflation. At some point it just needs to be ignored because I think a lot of it is probably self censorship as well...
It shouldn’t it is hard but it is - because it is so ingrained within our culture. The Holocaust was, undoubtedly, the worst crime in modern history - and it hangs over the West as a collective guilt because it happened both on our watch and on our soil. It is so emotive and charged. But I think that’s why the Left must ignore the issue of being labelled antisemitic when it is not being while also continuing to explain in detail about why one cannot conflate this with a critique of both Zionism, in its present form, and the Israeli government - while also acknowledging that antisemitism must be called out when it is expressed as a hatred or discrimination of people for being just for being Jewish. One cannot fight back by falling into the trap that’s laid...
I am not part of American culture. The Holocaust happened it is also happening in other country's like Myanmar/Yemen but we ignore them. When we ignore them shit happens.
It is not the left it is every person who does not speak out about these catastrophes but sit at home hoping things will work out.
Cowardly people do not make a great nation.
America and the West except a few country's should be yelling and screaming (a lot of us are) but until some 'imaginary' leader stands up and says STOP. Nothing will happen.
Frankly I don't care who calls me an anti-Jewish because I know within I am not.
Caitlin is the type of person we NEED. She is doing this nearly every day again and again and again and I imagine she will not stop until this nightmare stops. I don't imagine it is easy for her. I have seen comments on here.
Thanks Jenny - I wholeheartedly agree. I’ve lived in Yemen. I’ve lived in Syria. I live in Lebanon. Here, we talk constantly about this. We host events, go to talks, film screenings etc., share on social media, sit late into the night drinking wine and discussing paradigm shifts and redistribution of wealth and and and...but in a globalised world these are global issues and that, in the long term, need global solutions. That why I referenced the Left specifically - because it is, unfortunately and unfairly, the Left who must drive this paradigm into reality
OK I understand what you are saying about the left and I agree.
We do the same sort of thing here in France hard to have a conversation not about politics. Things are changing all over the world and it's not looking good. Le Pen has a good chance of getting in here in France in the next election. It behoves us all on the left to work harder than ever to stop this.
I lived in the US for 23yrs it was difficult to have any political discussion..they didn't care now this mess called Trump is about to happen. Caring and voting as you know is deeply important.
The Holocaust is not the worst crime of the 20th century, by numbers or % of population (look up the Herero genocide or what the Belgians did in the Congo). It's not even the greatest mass murder of WWII, as that happened by far to the peoples of the USSR.
Antisemitism simply happen to be useful for Western liberals to justify their Zionists settler colonial project and obfscate the larger scale mass murders committed against Communists and peoples of the global South by the global North.
I’d also include the Famine of Bengal 1943 on that list - and the famine of Mount Lebanon in 1917 (of which allied policies were instrumental) which killed half the population...
Hi. Thanks JB for your response :-) I’m not 100% sure what your point is though within the wider scheme of things - I’ve argued extensively here and on my page that the Holocaust was part of a wider European/Western supremacist/genocidal movement. I’ve also spoken about US Neo-imperialism post WWII and written about this within the context of the ethnic cleansing/genocide of the Palestinian people happening now and over the last 100 + years.
The point that I was trying to make (I’ll choose my words more carefully so as not to fall into my own trap) was that the Holocaust was, in effect, the culmination of that into one very specific and concretised policy/crime that the West ignored when it was happening - and used as the justification for support of the Zionist project in its expansionist and exclusionary policies after
Yes I definitely agree. My comment wasn't intended as disagreement as an addition to your's. Westerners are so used to exceptionalizing the Holocaust and the effect is to memoryhole their polity's culpability in other mass murders with a far higher cumulative body count. Having had a Western education myself, I can still feel myself being triggered by words like "Nazi", "antisemitism", "holocaust", and "totalitarianism" even after decades devoted to deprogramming myself from all that.
The institution of slavery, which might not be construed as “modern” history, per se, was far, far worse than the “holocaust”, and Jews were major traders in slaves. There is NOT a good relationship between Black Americans and Jews. Black Americans rightfully identify with the Palestinians.
Instead of sending IsraHell $4 billion a year, that money should be spent compensating the descendants of slaves, on whose backs this country was built, as well as Native Americans from whom the Anglos stole an entire continent.
Absolutely - slavery was on a different level, as was European colonialism. The number of deaths as both a direct and indirect consequence runs into the hundreds of millions. I was talking about within the 20th/21st Centuries and within a specific timeframe rather than an ongoing policy that spanned generations. I think the subject of reparations should absolutely be spoken about but I also think the global economy would need restructuring to bring about lasting change
The Holocaust is part of the top 5 but doesn’t hold the same weight anymore. When Zionists have been engaged in genocide for the last 75 years, I think they easily win the “worst crime in modern history” award. Especially because of the Holocaust, it’s even more despicable and monstrous. It’s only natural for the sympathy to be diminished.
Hi Micaela - thanks so much for your response. Absolutely - the crimes carried out in the name of Zionism are appalling, as is the way the West has turned a blind eye to it - predominantly through the dehumanisation of the Arab.
My point was more of a call to be specific in differentiating between the Holocaust (one of a series of horrific crimes carried out in the name of European nationalism) and Zionism, which I think are much less tangentially linked than people in the West often realise. I’ve written about this in more detail on my latest post: https://open.substack.com/pub/riwaq/p/a-question-of-perspective?r=2ovi1y&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Those who claim that Jews are not allowed to have any other ways of thinking other than to support whatever Israel does, including military occupation, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide sounds very anti-Semitic to me. That is the true anti-Semitism. Such a slander on the Jewish people, to corral them all into supporting such viciousness, is outrageous, There are many thoughtful and caring Jews who do not support this, but the Zionist fanatics slander them as well.
😠 Social Darwinists believe that ethics based principles are 'limitations pretending to be virtues'. To them, ethics are 'feel good illusions' that humans invented to pretend our species has empathy. To Social Darwinists, empathy is irrefutable evidence of inexcusable weakness. To them, all who are guided by ethics are deluded fools that should be eliminated from the human 'apex predator' gene pool for the "good" of our species.
Social Darwinists believe that the dictum, “survival of the fittest” (a term coined not by Charles Darwin but by sociologist Herbert Spencer), means that only the "fittest" should survive. Darwin's book published later ("Descent of Man") made it clear that Darwin completely supported the morally bankrupt views of Spencer.
Enthusiastic converts to Social Darwinism have, to this day, used the language of evolution to frame an understanding of the growing gulf between the rich and the poor, as well as the many differences between cultures all over the world. The explanation they arrived at, and continue to use to justify biosphere trashing profit over people and planet, regardless of any alligator tear filled mendacious claims to the contrary, is that businessmen and others who are economically and socially successful are so because they are biologically and socially “naturally” the fittest. 🙄🤔
Conversely, they reason that the poor are “naturally” weak and unfit and it would be an error to allow the weak of the species to continue to breed. 😡 Anyone paying attention can SEE that Netanyahu's Government, AND ANYONE or ANY GOVERNMENT (i.e. 😈 US) supporting it, IS a 🦖 SOCIAL DARWINIST, whether they consciously carry that label or not.
The ideology of the Social Darwinist is indistinguishable from the despicable ideology of NAZI Germany, clearly exemplified in their brutally enforced morally bankrupt concentration camp law: “Eat your own bread, and if you can, that of your neighbor.”
The "Apex Predators have a DARWINIAN RESPONSIBILITY to BE as PREDATORILY EVOLVED (SEE: Steal everything that is not nailed down.) as possible" WORLDVIEW is the socially destructive tsunami now engulfing human society.
What all the entrenched insiders among the parasitic, predatory (i.e. Social Darwinist) elites and institutions don't dare admit publicly, though they celebrate that privately, is that to protect themselves from consequence, making the rest of us sacrifice everything else is what they-the-Apex-Predators have a DARWINIAN DUTY to DO. After all, Homo sapiens is "just the result of random undirected processes", the more you can "enlightened self interest" DO to get MORE POWER by causing, directly or indirectly, the death of human competitors for the species gene pool high ground, "the better".
Social 😈 Darwinists champion 🦍 Kafkaesque survival olympics. 😠
Frugality and prudence, once accepted by all human cultures as sine qua non, has given way to massive excess by TPTB (and too many of the, brainwashed by the "education system", non-rich populace) and a level of craziness in culture ethical humans never imagined they would experience.
Our species is on a track to extinction BECAUSE of TPTB's TOTAL embrace of the morally bankrupt SOCIAL DARWINIST IDEOLOGY. TPTB, blatantly self-serving, corrupt, unaccountable and devoid of any sense of good and evil, will be our doom if they are not stopped.
The problem with this notion of "social Darwinism" is the assumptions that Darwin ever advocated for any of that. His theory are used to say it's natural to be greedy psychopaths. No one reads his complete works and takes these ideas as second hand from people who used his dog eat dog survival of the fittest (or ruthless) as the way to organize human affairs, a warning he gave within his writings was to NOT do that. He further demonstrated that in nature there was plenty of counter examples of cooperative strategy that had far more long term benefits for survival than scratching each others eyes out to get another rung up some corporate ladder..
John Nash the brilliant but troubled mathematician had also developed the same conclusions but the wall street types took his theory of fuck you buddy and ran with that instead after he also said co-operation was a better long term strategy.
My theory is that humans are simply a type of planetary cancer with a board of directors "devour everything , meeting adjourned" we think we are so "special" that the rules of nature only apply to us when convenient to use them as an excuse to satiate our profound narcissism. Pick choice A or B we always seem to pick the one that best suit our sickness.
"he gave within his writings was to NOT do that" - so he argued for humans to come up, maintain, and act within the concept of morality? Which would come from where?
"there was plenty of counter examples of cooperative strategy" - was it deliberately chosen by those species or is it simply in their nature?
""there was plenty of counter examples of cooperative strategy" - was it deliberately chosen by those species or is it simply in their nature?""
If you were not such a mental midget mucking around on the level of a chimpanzee you could understand the gift man has to reason (more than you seem capable) that nature may have it's own intelligence (that does not need a man made version of a god interpretation).
Humans have a power to reason to chose better than just base instincts. That still does not need a man made God.. You chose to be an asshole all on your own merit. Then hide behind an image of a God to do so.
You have an abusive personality and you seem to have formed every justifications for it..and a facade of self righteousness to hide behind.. The marker of a zealot.
"Humans have a power to reason to chose better than just base instincts." - demonstrate to me how that power was applied throughout history. Why they applied that power a certain way as opposed to what Darwin said they should.
By the way, how busy are you in your therapy business? Can I get an appointment? I understand with your aptly demonstrated ability to gain insights you must be in great demand and the availability is scarce.
Here I have a therapeutic excersise you might use...next time you brush your teeth (or tooth)in a mirror take a good hard look right in your own eyes and ask yourself "am I a liar".
The answer will well up in you and that little pang of fear is going to be the truth.
But I imagine you don't actually posess the spine to ever have the courage to attempt it..
This is the thing you mental stumps keep missing because you have been mind poisoned by religion (or atheism.)
Do you imagine these wars are "healthy" do you imagine a punitive abuse social order you have is healthy? Is it good for the individual? Or the whole? This idea of "morality" grew out of the idea of health..That's the motivating factor for "morals" ..people draw the ideas penned from religion and then equate that to God's.. You don't need a God to have morals you just need a sense of empathy and stop being selfish narascistic sniviling obsequious hairles apes and utilize your fucking brains not your loins alone.
No but you all want your fucking pecking orders so you can have an ego to boost so you will lie yourselves and justify anything and everything that suits you.
You're obviously not well today so I'll just point out that nowhere did I "imagine" wars were "healthy". They are excellent for certain groups of individuals to deny which would be moronic.
The rest of your insane rant is not worth addressing.
Take care of your mental health, Chaz. You sound deranged too often.
There you go again using that smear again.. Like you did before ...this is exactly what zealots do.
You accuse people of mental illness or in your case the tendency to accuse of witchcraft because of your own failures to comprehend. Its some sort of "tick" in your own personality You automatically go to..
Pluss you are the perfect example of an employee of the Spanish inquisition "Throw her in the lake if she sinks she was innocent if she floats she must be made of wood, witches are made of wood! wood burnes! BURN THE WITCH.
This is the extent of your mental processing and what you always sound like to me.
And you have the gall to call others Ill...fascinating!
Zionists have ONE IRON RULE: Logic is an Enemy and Truth is a Menace.
December 2, 2023 Chris Hedges Report
The Zionist movement from its inception has used deception, violence, ethnic cleansing and discrimination to solidify its apartheid state. The genocide in Gaza is another chapter in this 100-year war.
VIDEO 🕯️:
Columbia University Professor Rashid Khalidi ✨ on Zionism's 100-year ☠️ war against Palestinians
Regardless of who is guilty of attempting a genocide, I would like make a related point; another way to commit genocide is by denying the humanity of those killed by referring to them as "collateral damage."
If you mean to destroy a grocery store and you do, AND you take out the bowling alley next door, the destroyed bowling alley is collateral damage.
If an objective, such as killing murderers[,] is so important that you are willing to kill the innocents with them, especially if they are with them not by choice, then say so.
Have the [moral] courage of your convictions.
"Collateral damage" is the language of the reprehensible!
Go read Glen Greenwald article in the intercept titteld Obama killed a 16 year old in Yemen.
Murdering American children so they could never tell the truth about their father that they assasinated to shut him up from speaking out against American imperialism...and at the same time killing innocent bystanders as "collateral damage" Trump went on to kill his 11 year old sister in another drone bombing also killing scores of other innocent people. A mafia style kill the whole family policy... American strings of war crimes gone unpunished.
Joe Biden is history. There is no way he OR the corrupt democratic party is going to survive backing this obvious genocide.
And I bet they will figure out a way to get rid of Trump. So one does wonder what fascist warmongering pig they will force upon the American people and the world next?
I don't think the world is going to just watch this continuing televised massacre much longer ...
I hope you are right, but somedays I gotta wonder. Most Americans may not agree with what's going on in Gaza, but they're sticking their fingers in their ears and closing their eyes. They're afraid to speak up for the oppressed of the world. Maybe we gotta get a lot more uncomfortable--more homeless workers, more hungry people at Christmas, etc.--to get mad enough to stand up to the status quo. But once we do? REVOLUTION!!
There have been huge demonstrations in every Canadian city. I have been to 4 demos and I didn't see a single media truck or reporter. The mainstream media is helping people to keep their ears plugged and their eyes covered.
Yeah, I've only seen a couple of local TV stations and one newspaper reporter so far at any of the demos we've attended. And they don't always put the footage they've shot on the 6 PM news, either. But passers-by see us and postings on other social platforms get seen, so they can't cover everyone's eyes. We've gotta keep it up and get it out there so we can change hearts and minds, one at a time if necessary.
I am not trying to equate what is happening to children in Gaza with this, but it felt like in a small way, it fits with how children in Gaza are being treated today
I have always seen school as a Nazi internment camp as a kid where you are beaten down to be mindless and obedient to authority. Teach by punishment.. That's why today they are all just products of government run obedience training. Learn to memorize dates and times of historic events written by and from the ideology of American exceptionallism. Don't think for yourself an authority figure will do that for you... Till today woke inclusion is warpping them into another form of obedience training.
The way US politics works is a discredited party will generate consent through scare tactics, either whipping up racism, or invading someone on a pretext or a creatingva false flag attack and calling for “unity”.
Bill Clinton bombed Serbia to boost his election standing for example.
The sign in my yard, Genocide Joe with vote X ed out. In the end I'm not sure if I will vote WEST or STEIN 24. We shall see. Will a third party reach 20% very possible.
My own, my last yard sign Bernie, who has since crushed my sense that any political action will save us from ourselves was torn by a unknown neighbor ha. I will again petition drive and knock for one or the other. What most bothers me about our Brother Cornel. The day he announced I sent an eye-opening donation and then no a word about campaigning/ballot petition/door knocking zero in communication. At this point with Bernie's campaign, I had already annoyed hundreds of people hahaha, donated more than I had ever dreamed I would. For me 24 is about giving the finger and poking the eye of the monster single party. We can not let Genocide Joe or Genocide Trump walk into 24. Every day I see the horror of the photo of Palestinian children in pieces and I am helpless and hopeless. Writing to my CONgress people resulted in two non-responses and one thanking me for agreeing with her Genocidal voting and language. All I have are the people I meet like you and the few friends who haven't become warmongers. Much love to you and thank you.
Very interesting question. This may be the first time since Perot for a outside the monoparty victory. Will Genocide Joe campaign from the basement again, yes. Trump will hammer Genocide Joe with Demented Joe from the debate stage, Are you lost Joe?
Yes, and if the madness is not stopped, the Settlers will eventually show up at YOUR doorstep, saying that their God told them your place is in reality THEIRS.
The Old Testament, New Testament, Quran, and ancient Egyptian, Greek, Persian, and Arab records all show the Jewish people had a homeland and presence there for three thousand years. The Dead Sea scrolls are two thousand years old and many are written in Hebrew. The Jews are the indigenous inhabitants of Judea. Though the Arabs in the region are a Semitic people like the ethnicJews, they are indigenous to Arabia, not Judea or Samaria. Arab armies conquered Jerusalem from the Byzantines in 638. The Jewish kingdoms and Zionism predate the existence of capitalism and Western civilization. The Palestinians came to think of themselves as a distinct nationality in the mid 1960’s. They are not mentioned in the Quran. But Hamas is saying their God told them they should kill the Jews and take their land, first step in a bigger plan to take over the whole world and establish an Islamic caliphate.
You still don't get it, do ya? It is NOT a question of nationality, it is a question of indigenous population. The Palestinians are the indigenous population. Khazar/European Jews were NEVER the indigenous population, neither are the Jews from anywhere else.
The handful of indigenous Jews did not claim the land as theirs, nor were they interested in a ZioNAZI Rothschildistan.
As for killing, thet is the specialty of the Talmud: “Even the best of the goyim should all be killed” -Soferim 15.
Just not true. Historically the Jews are the indigenous people. Anywherre you dig you find evidence of Jewish habitation going back thousands of years. The Hebrew language is a Semitic language, like Arabic.
The Islamists themselves don’t make your argument. They claim a divine right of conquest for Islam and a divine obligation to kill Jews. Hamas has no interest in a Palestinian state. Read their charter.
There is no such thing as an Israeli. IsraHell is a made-up quasi-nation Initiated by the UN, Amerikkka, and not-great Britain by foisting EUROPEAN Jews onto the native Palestinian population. They have no connection to the Middle East whatever.
If post WWII Jews needed a “homeland”, they already had one. It’s called Noo Yawk City. Alternately, it should have been carved out of Germany. But we can’t displace WHITE people now, can we?
Also, the Jews had and still have many homelands already where they have self-determination: French Jews in France, U.S. Jews in the U.S., etc.
But you see, Gypsy, the Jews are the Chosenites, therefore they are exceptional, so they need a 2nd self-determination: a Jews-only homeland. Now who can argue with that, hey?
of the many fucking incredible moments of dipshittery that I have come across in my entire life, this talking point about hebrews being the REAL indigenous people of that land is among the top 5
Don’t waste time telling the truth to racists and antisemites. Notice in this entire comment section not a single reference to the $15 billion paid to Hamas since 2007 by humanitarian organizations and spent on rockets, training child soldiers and suicide bombers? Or the million Palestinians murdered by the British, Syrians and Jordanians? Or the repeated refusal of Jordan, Syria and Lebanon to register Palestinian births or allow refugees to settle in those countries? Or the continual Arab bombings, rapes, beheadings of the Jews in the region over the past century, and a century before the modern state of Israel was even founded? These people don’t care about Palestinian children, they just want to kill Jews. It’s obvious.
The Americans destroyed cultural centres in Iraq. They killed civilians. Now they have imprisoned Julian Assange for reporting on their atrocities. They were a kind of beginning template for what Israel has developed into.
I am a non-Jew. I don't like referring to myself this way as I'm sure Black people don't want to be referred to as non-White. However, it seems to be that we are in a storm of labels that need to be addressed.
I understand why Aaron Mate and Katie Halper declare that they are Jewish, as Climate Adam has done here, to emphasise that the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza is absolutely not in their name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vf7Bi6GdRY (wars account for about 5% of emissions and there are no agreements anywhere to reduce the use of fossil fuels- sustainable green weapons anyone?!) .
But I want to understand, as it seems very important right now, why identities are so significant. Some people like to declare that they can trace their ancestors to the Mayflower, but really, so what? Jewish people claim they are descendants (though thoroughly genetically mixed like everyone else; even with social pressure not to 'marry out') of people from Judea. Really, what's the big deal? Many do not practice nor believe all the Jewish customs or religious practices, some purposefully designed, I believe, to make Jews stand out in Gentile society, so it is not entirely religious nor cultural.
It feels from the outside a bit like the Masons, only you have to be born into it or are sometimes allowed to 'convert' to Judaism if you want to marry in, as Isla Fisher did to marry Zionist Sacha Baron Cohen.
Of course people should be able to 'identify' however they wish. But that should not give a man the right, for example, to enter a women only space on the basis of his 'identity'. Nor the right to a genocide because of what happened to one's ancestors. Identifying with a group history as victims, as we have seen, has led to devastating consequences.
Of course we all have the right to be proud of our heritage, though the more we identify with a religion or a national past as winners or losses, oppressor or suppressed and internalise these personalities, the more work we have to do in therapy and meditation to dis-identify with them and learn to live new in each moment!
Of course we all have a right to our beliefs and cultures. But if that belief is that we are chosen by God ahead of others or that it's our culture to massacre families of whales, then in the words of Richard Dawkins- it's time to get a better belief and a better culture. People should be respected, it's open season on their religions, ideas and cultures.
Children live in the moment, in their bodies, in self-sufficiency and innate compassion. They have to be taught through years of education and conditioning that they are better than others, or lesser than others, that war and killing to get their own way is OK, that factory farming sentient beings and environmental destruction to have nice things is OK.
The way forward is less stereotyping. Less identifying. Less social constructs telling us how we should behave. Less I am this; you are that. Less faith schools. Less nationalism.
More we are all earthlings hurtling towards climate meltdown so let's at least come together for the finale!!
Well said indeed, but it gets idealistic by the end. These types of appeals mean absolutely nothing. You face an organized cabal of rulers who control the repression apparatus that will suppress any attempts at trying something else at any cost.
For example, consider the attempt at communism. The idea is awesome, and while idealistic, hence unreachable to the full extent, the attempt would be a destruction of the cabal first and foremost.
The cabal quickly realized it and put hard pressure from the very beginning. Of all kinds, including wars, hot and cold. In those circumstances the defending side was forced to take measures far distant from what was intended. The cabal, though, would insist that all those features were innate and intrinsic to the system attempted to be built.
As to "why identities are so significant." - to feel special (hence superior in some way), claim supremacy, submit to vanity, etc. Just look at all those fans of various types: football clubs, home teams, swifties, Beatles, Rolling Stones, hippies (delusional junkies experimented on and laughed at with derision by the rulers, encouraged in their fantasy of "make love, no war" while fucking their brains out and spreading the diseases of all kinds - good thing from the rulers' standpoint), and on and on, thousands.
Humans are ugly and stupid by nature. Religions make attempts to force some rules onto the masses but they quickly got overtaken by numerous churches and turned into controlling mechanism to reach specific ends. It's all rotten.
I fundamentally and whole heartedly disagree with you. Humans are neither ugly nor stupid. Those in power are as controlled by their conditioning and what's happened to them as everyone else is. None of us need to be.
Humans do horrible things because horrible things happened to them. Because they are taught a load of crap about who they are and how they should be. The resulting behaviour is not their true nature.
"Homo sapiens is the only entity" I appreciate the sentiment and I'm always down to commiserate about how people can suck but one need look no further than their dog or cat to see whatever pollutes our genome this way isn't unique.
But I don't believe a child would strangle a rabbit because it could, i think it would stroke it. Aggression and the need to kill and control others is learnt behaviour.
Your "Children live in the moment, in their bodies, in self-sufficiency and innate compassion." is extremely naive. Leave children alone in their "innate compassion" and they will do incredible violence, bands would form, leaders emerge, etc. They require close supervision and nurturing so they could become proper humans in the ideal sense of the word.
Also, far from everyone who was abused becomes an abuser. And vice versa.
I am not explaining myself very well. I'm saying that at a certain age the child stops looking to its own heart to find what feels good and right and starts looking to the adult for approval in order to ensure its survival. The child will go against its own heart and nature to ensure the approval of the adult. If the adult says to be a man and earn my respect (and ensure your survival) you must suppress your emotions and kill things etc etc then that is what the child will do. It is not the child's true nature, which i believe is compassion.
I am really sick and tired of these people who stick up for Israel and always accuse anyone who speaks out against what Israel is doing, as being anti-Semitic. I am not anti-Semitic, but what I am against is the mass murder of innocent women and children and any innocent civilians, for that matter. And when some bring up about the Jewish people being on this land for 3,000 years before the Hebrews were scattered among different nations and that this is in the Old Testament, well I say to them that I was not aware that God and the Old Testament were real estate agents. The fact of the matter is that the Palestinians had been living on that land for so very long when Israel became a state in 1948. I am quite sure God did not mean for one ethnic group to just come and take this land from another group, especially when that group throws the other out of their homes and massacres them. It wasn’t the Palestinians fault that the Jewish people were scattered among other nations at whatever time that happened. There are many Jews who are against Zionism and this GENOCIDE Israel is committing in Gaza. Just because I stand for Palestinians doesn’t make me a Jew hater, Holocaust denier or any of those horrible things Israel apologists accuse people who see this as atrocities being committed against an innocent people. Like many JVP(Jewish Voices for Peace) activists say, “Never again means never again to ANYONE.”
Most of the Israelis who are living there now - never had ancestors living there. Their DNA comes from different parts of the world. It literally never was their "land".
While Arabs were living in the territory that was called Palestine by the Romans, they initially arrived with conquering Arab armies in 638. The idea they were a distinct nationality called Palestinian was invented by the Soviet KGB in the 1960s. In contrast Zionism has been around for 3,000 years. The Arabs and Muslims have many nations and conquered a large territory. Why is it illegitimate for the Jews to have a small state of their own on their historic homeland? If you think the Jews are the only people who don’t deserve a state, you are anti-Semitic, much as you might try to deny it.
Well I guess you support the mass rape, murder, and mutilation of women, the burning of families, the shooting of young people in a peace festival, the beheading of people, kidnapping, and the whole range of depraved Hamas atrocities. Israel does more than any other army to minimize civilian casualties. Hamas deliberately kills Israelis and uses its own civilians as human shields. The civilians of Gaza could be evacuated to safety out of the war zone. Why won’t Hamas allow this?
any group is entitled to organize into a state, as long as doing so doesn't require evicting or murdering half the pre-existing population - this statement is not antisemitic and no thinking person gives a shit who was there in 638 with regard to who forms a state there in the present
A clear example of circular reasoning with fallacious premises. The problem here - is the result of this circular reasoning is the current ongoing extermination of human life in GAZA - which needs to be stopped. There is no justification for the massacre going on right now - nor any kind of defense of Caleb Mars here (or whoever the fuck he really is) to defend the ongoing slaughter. A nation like Israel committing genocide forfeits its moral right to exist as a nation. Thou Shall Not Kill.
100%, Caleb. You nailed it. But if you read the comments and the original post, you’re explaining the truth to people who are intoxicated by racism and hatred of Jews. It’s as pointless as Dr. Martin Luther King trying to reason with the KKK.
The only way Israel survives, in its current construct, is by way of genocide. Today Gaza, tomorrow the West Bank. And then the Palestinians in Jerusalem. Israel will *never* have peace or security.
I certainly hope not after what they’ve done for a hundred years.
The world is sticking up for Palestine. I watched reps from many different nations at a UN assembly on YouTube. Except for the usual handful of suspects, they were fierce in their criticism of IsraHell. Venezuela and Indonesia were especially fired up.
Most of the world is furious, but the power is with the few. Until the balance of power shifts, the Zionists will stay on this genocidal path. No non-Zionist thought this would be happening to Gaza. But Israel has been planning it for years - their genocidal language since Oct 7 confirms this.
Not sure why you are so negative about the future. If Israel destroys Hamas and proceeds with deNazification of the people of Gaza, there may be ongoing low levels of violence, but not enough to stop Israel from advancing economically and diplomatically. Its ties with Egypt, Jordan, and the Arab states in the Abraham Accords will grow stronger. Compared to Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Sudan, there will be relative peace in Israel. Its Jewish population will soon be over 10 million due to immigration and a high birth rate.
I completely agree that deNazification is absolutely essential to the survival of Israel. We just disagree on which party are the Nazi's. As does this holocaust survivor:
That’s really an anti-Jewish lie. Hamas and the extreme Islamic fundamentalists believe it is their holy mission to exterminate Jews. They inculcate deep hatred of Jews. Their roots go back to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Amin al-Husseini who instigated pogroms against the Jews of Iraq and Palestine in the 1930s and who was a devotee of Adolph. Many current Islamists praise Hitler and the Nazis and vow to finish their genocide. Most Jews and Israelis want to live in peace with their Arab neighbors and certainly have no desire to exterminate them. Hamas committed horrific atrocities against Israelis on October 7. No one can imagine Israelis doing anything like that in return. The de-Nazification of the Arabs of Gaza will involve raising their children to believe in tolerance and to no longer want to massacre Jews.
By your genocidal logic, if the Nazis had been successful in implementing The Final Solution, the problem would be fixed. Tell us why genocide is okay for others but not for your side.
Not sure where you are getting that warped interpretation, but I obviously oppose genocide. The Nazis committed genocide against the Jews. That was their Final Solution.
Israel is not committing anything like genocide against the Palestinian Arabs. They are fighting a war in Gaza, a war that was started by Hamas.
I see you don’t know the definition of genocide. I am not proposing to put any civilians in gas chambers. The only people who get deliberately killed are Hamas, who are the people who started the war . They are the IslamoNazis. The doctrine of
Genocide they espouse will be eliminated through reeducation, not through physical extermination.
Ok, so as long as there are no gas chambers, there can't be genocide. Thanks for clearing that up. As +972 confirmed, Israel does intentionally kill civilians. But since there are no gas chambers, it's all good.
Like the upside-down pyramids of the Star of David, it's the Jews of Israel using dehumanizing terms and characterizations of Palestinians like the Nazis characterized the Jews in another place and Time.
Israel has one of the highest uptakes in the world of the Death Jabs. Its younger population has the highest uptake in the country while the older population has the lowest. Its current population wont be rising, in fact it will follow the rest of the world with more deaths, disabilities and infertility. But as a actuary and math professor you already know that. : )
Don’t waste your time and energy. They don’t care about the truth or the Palestinian children. They just hate Jews and want all Jews raped, decapitated and burned alive. Look at their comments. They speak for themselves.
Most of the leaders of Sunni Arab states want Israel to destroy Hamas and deliver a major setback to Iran. The Hamas attack was done at the behest of Iran to slow down the move towards an Israeli-Saudi normalization deal. The Jordanians may be angry at Israel, but the deal giving Israel solar power in return for desalinated water is economically compelling.
So? That's like arguing that I have a right to your house because your neighbors don't like you or your friends, and I have lots of money to throw around, to boot.
No I’m simply rebutting the simple-minded idea that Israel is fighting all Arabs or all Muslims or that it is hostile to them. Quite the contrary, Israel should see improved relations with many Arab and Islamic countries if it can destroy Hamas. It is all Jewish land originally and it was taken from the defeated Ottoman Turkish Empire and given to the British as a mandate after WWI to establish a Jewish state. Israel has lots of Arab citizens. They have more individual rights than they have in any other place in the MidEast. There never was a Palestine State and the advent of Palestinian nationalism did not happen till the 1960s, decades after the land was declared by international law and treaty as land reserved for a Jewish state. Dig anywhere and you find artifacts with Hebrew writing.
So as long as Israel only ethnically cleanses some Arabs, the ones who happen to be so rudely occupying land that Israel covets, then that makes it okay!
A damning new report from +972 Magazine published on Thursday exposes how Israel has been deliberately striking civilian targets in Gaza as a matter of policy because they believe it will “lead civilians to put pressure on Hamas.” It makes it clear that the IDF is very much aware of where the civilians are, and that when they kill children it’s because they calculated that it would be strategically worthwhile to do so.
Listen, that is very insulting to call me that. I learned about the Holocaust from my mom and I have always stood up for the Jewish people when it came to what the horrific Nazis did in WW2 to the Jews. I’m the last person you want to call anti-Semitic, but never again should mean just that for ANYONE and that is exactly what Jewish Voice for Peace is saying. A lot of Jews don’t support Israel fyi. Regardless of what happened in 638, the Palestinians were living in what was Palestine, now Israel, and 750,000 of them were ethnically cleansed from their homes and off their land in 1947-48(Nakba). So, because the Jews were there 3,000 years before they went to other places around the globe, the Palestinians that were there in 1948 should’ve just sucked it up and been glad to give up their homes/land that they had lived on for centuries?! I’m sorry, but something about that doesn’t seem right to me and I would say the same if the situation were reversed. But you don’t get to call me anti-Semitic just because I don’t go along with Bibi’s genocidal rampage in Gaza. I know what the Nazis did to the Jews in the 30’s and 40’s. I have read many books on the Holocaust and studied things about it, so I know what real anti-Semitism is and that’s not me. If I’m not mistaken, Palestinians are also a Semitic people. “Not in our name” is what many Jews are saying at these pro ceasefire protests and I have listened to some who have family members who were murdered in the Holocaust and/or are survivors themselves(very small children at the time and lost their whole family in the death camps).
History is important but when genocide becomes the solution to another problem, then the other problem becomes less urgent than the genocide that is happening right before our eyes. Besides that, Netanyahu is a zionist
If I were going to commit genocide, I would not bother trying to copy 1933-45 German Nazis, I'd jump straight to the more efficient ZioNAZI method that is now proudly shown to the world, esp. since, contrary to the German Nazis, the ZioNAZIS have full, unquestioning, fawning support from the West.
If I were a talented writer with a large audience who is anti-genocide, I’d write about it with ferocity and candor.
Just like Caitlin does 🙂
Do it anyway. I do. The few people I do reach will spread the word. And the next group will spread that word... and so on and so on. Just do it! #EndTheGenocide !
Absolutely and do it on LinkedIn where it can damage lsrael’s economic investments
Where was Caitlin when the diabolical Covid shots were being mandated and administered? She said she couldn’t see what the fuss was about, and the death toll and censorship about this subject has been brutal.
Yeahhhh, I had an absolutely HORRIFIC response to my “jab”; my arm hurt a bit the next day.
And I did test positive for Covid at one time; my symptoms consisted of a sore throat for a few hours.
On the other hand, my hubs had two unvaxxed uncles who DIED from Covid.
Everyone I know in my circle of acquaintances got vaxxed and we’re all still walking and chewing gum at the same time.
Tell me, are you a person of science? My brother is an MD and couldn’t get his vax quick enough.
And have you received a polio vaccine? Tuberculosis? Tetanus? Measles?
Do what you want, do what you wish ( including getting Covid and spreading it to others) but this thread is NOT about vaccines, so take it elsewhere, pal.
There’s no standardized test for Covid, so what you had most likely was a strong seasonal influenza.
Your arm hurt, did it? Spare me. No one was forcing you to inject yourself with mRNA technology, which aren’t vaccines.
“Destabilizing the social, political and economic structure of 190 sovereign countries cannot constitute a “solution” to combating a novel coronavirus which mysteriously emerged in Wuhan, Hubei province (PRC) in late December 2019. That was the imposed “solution” —implemented in several stages from the very outset–, leading to The March 2020 Lockdown and the Rollout of a so-called Covid 19 “Vaccine” in December 2020, which since its inception has resulted in an upward trend in excess mortality.
It’s the destruction of people’s lives Worldwide. It is the destabilization of civil society.
Fake science was supportive of this devastating agenda. The lies were sustained by a massive media disinformation campaign. 24/7, Incessant and Repetitive “Covid alerts” in the course of more than three years. In turn, the ongoing fear campaign had devastating impacts on people’s health.”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/there-never-was-a-virus-there-never-was-a-pandemic/5841105
Do you understand the concept of sarcasm, pal?
And nooooo, it wasn’t the “flu”, idiot. I get vaxxed for THAT too, and haven’t gotten it since I started getting 15 years ago.
Again, tell me: are you an MD or a pathologist or in any way connected to scientific research?
Or do you just contaminate your brain with silly websites?
The symptoms of “Covid”, which you apparently found it necessary to patronize, are indeed like a strong seasonal influenza. Your family member is a doctor? Congrats, but that doesn’t mean anything. As for the “silly website” Global Research it’s been doing much of the best writing about Palestine as well as the Covid shots, which are both genocidal: https://www.globalresearch.ca/gaza-update/5841438
The same people cheering for war and genocide decided to place our human rights on hold in order to ‘save us’ and you’re not the least bit suspicious? It’s the same people that said the Iraq war was for our safety. But because your relative is a doctor you believe it? If the opioid crisis taught us anything, it’s that doctors don’t know everything and may just be book smart rule followers. When they tell you to trust us against your instincts and pressure you heavily, we should definitely have a healthy skepticism
The opioid crisis happened because certain people chose to abuse them.
I took Vicodin for many years for pain from a whiplash injury; one a day, never more. When it became too difficult to jump through all the hoops required to get a prescription, I quit it.
Overnight.
There ya go, pal, I was RESPONSIBLE.
I’m not your pal, buddy! 😅
Please. People trust their doctors. We have a sick care system that they enthusiastically propagate. We’re sicker than ever and more medicated.
I’ll stop here because it’s off topic but related, as corruption infects all aspects where oligarchy has too much influence
pretty sure she was opposed to mandated sars2 vaccination
She was unfortunately nowhere to be found when it mattered most- 2020, when her own country was put under genocidal lockdowns (like much of the rest of world). Mark Crispin Miller put it more eloquently: “ While Caitlin, resident of Melbourne, riffs indignantly about the bombing of Afghanistan back in 19 B.C. (Before COVID), the staunchest dissidents Down Under are the truck drivers threatening to shut that country down, if its cops don’t take their boots off everybody’s necks.”
It turns out that the working class of Australia had a far more astute understanding of reality.
I don't see the parity implied here but I didn't know anyone that died from COVID lockdowns either. Surely some did. Regardless, I'll leave that to you and the lady of the house to work out.
The lasting effects of the Covid lockdown are incalculable just like we can’t count the true impact of wars. In the end, they were both about erasing human rights
There are estimates that over a million children in Africa died as a result of the breakdown in supply chains because of the lockdowns. Millions around the world died deaths of despair including suicide, homicide, domestic violence, substance abuse like alcoholism and drug overdoses, etc. not to mention the millions of jobs and businesses lost forever. Something a writer ostensibly opposing “imperialism” would have wanted to have noted as it was happening, in real time.
I forgot to mention the deaths caused by people being prohibited from routine medical treatment and screening.
And of course if you were going to commit genocide you’d also pay the worlds biggest gangsters protection money, so that they for instance, would send out a nuclear armed aircraft carrier to stop any of your neighbours from intervening and preventing your actions of genocide. I think in the minstrel media they call it “preventing regional escalation”:
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/10/27/with-two-aircraft-carriers-us-wants-to-create-a-naval-bubble-around-israel_6208194_4.html
https://cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/14/middleeast/us-aircraft-carrier-eisenhower-israel-gaza-intl-hnk-ml/index.html
Of course not that the U.S. “Department of Defence” is a mob racket. Or that “political donations” funnelled via AIPAC are intended to interfere in any way with the due course of national policy decisions in the United States..
Yes but what about that flotilla or fleet of ships that is supposedly and or eventually headed to the Gaza coastline
https://johnhelmer.net/the-thousand-boat-blockade-busting-operation-changes-everything-on-the-gaza-front-if-it-materialises/#more-88893
God BJ how I hope that materializes!
TBH, I'll believe it when I see. I do not trust Erdoğan 1 iota: the man talks a lot but much of it is hot air. And when it comes to the crunch, the man always caves to U.S. pressure.
Che, Erdogan is a two-faced fuck, but the people of Turkiye are unanimously behind the Palestine cause. Let’s hope beyond hope that this happens; talk about a PR nightmare for Israhell’
Let me know when Erdogan cuts military and economic ties with Israel.
It will happen …… when hell freezes over 🤣
I thought I would leave this with you. The US is in such complicity with destruction on a world wide level.
US Sent Israel 15,000 Bombs Since October 7
The transfer has included thousands of 2,000-pound bombs that have been used to devastate Gaza.
by Kyle Anzalone Posted onDecember 1, 2023CategoriesNews
The Wall Street Journal published details about the White House’s secretive arms transfers to Israel since October 7. The US has provided Israel with 57,000 artillery shells and 15,000 bombs, including over 5,000 with 2,000-pound warheads.
According to a list of weapons obtained by the Journal, the US has shipped Israel “more than 5,000 Mk82 unguided or ‘dumb’ bombs, more than 5,400 Mk84 2,000-pound warhead bombs, around 1,000 GBU-39 small diameter bombs, and approximately 3,000 JDAMs.”
The US has additionally shipped 57,000 155 MM shells to Israel. NBC News previously reported in October that Washington sent Tel Aviv artillery rounds that are cluster munitions.
US is involved in genocide!
Of course it is, not to mention our many 21st century wars based on lies. lies to carve out the Middle East to our liking. We have no morals when it comes to war, to killing just look at how we used hundreds of thousands of Ukranian lives up to bring down Putin, and now we are abetting a genocide.
I understand that without the US and Boris Johnson we may have had peace. It is all SO sick and unnecessary. Since I was young enough to notice, I saw disgusting behaviour on the part of many humans. I've always remembered.
Power has always been interesting to me psychologically because I understand it. To be a child in a post Colonial Empire was truly disheartening. Now I am depressing myself more.
Thanks Fran
Which makes me ill every time I wake up in the morning. What the US has become is far from a leader of "human rights". We have a president now in the White House who is not seriously doing anything to stop what by all definitions IS a deliberate targeting of a civilian population - without any other justification for it other than population removal. This is now the state of US morality and defense of human rights - i.e. there is nothing left to value. And Americans need to remember - if a sitting US president will allow and even support logistically the genocide of Palestinians - then eventually, a US sitting president can do the same to American citizens with the same trumped up excuses and justifications. When you take away the human rights of any person - you take those rights away from us all.
Doing nothing? Biden is pouring gasoline on the fire.
The US even when I was a kid never struck me as a moral country. When I watched cowboy and Indian movies on TV I never understood why the Indians were the bad guys when they fought back to keep what was theirs, their land. At 7 I finally realized my country lies to me and wants me to believe what they want me to believe, and after that when ever we saluted the flag in school I would never say with justice and liberty for all because it just wasn't true. I also decided to divide my country into it's people, and it's government and told myself at 8 the government was not to be trusted to tell me the truth and since then I have never taken my government at it's word.
When was the US the leader of Human Rights?
When did any Empire bother about human rights?
Well said, Jamenta!
We’re seeing it already, with the guvvmint’s attempts to put down pro-Palestinian support.
The U$ofA is where israel keeps its other weapons.
We just pay for them and support her carnage, that's all.
And if you can't repay the 'debt' incurred with interest, obviously, then your children will be held liable and so on. [Imaginary] Money has its downside if any usury or interest is involved. The whole battlefield has been orchestrated by the Money Power, the Hidden Hands of High Finance. Their agenda is beyond horrific.
Yeah, but what else is new?
The USA is paying into its own karma and when that train comes back to hit the wall it's going to be a devastating event..
The problem is the red button will get pressed as the Sampson options going to play out for Israel. And Israel is America s controll center..it's already on its way out but just does not know it.
But have no fear..its only going to sting for a microsecond.
I have no problem with the elimination of Amerikkka, which IS the problem.
But my heart breaks for all the magnificent nonhuman beings that will be taken down with us.
At least it's some form of possible action!
"I’d do exactly what Israel is clearly doing, in plain view of the entire world."
And the whole world just looks the other way--or continues to smear those who speak out in favor of Palestinians as "antisemitic". I'm beginning to think that maybe we should all just learn to take those antisemitic smears of our character in stride. We should just retort: "So what? I'm anti-genocide and anti-Zionist, too. And it appears you're a pro-genocide, pro-murdering, inhuman monster with no conscience. So there!" (A raspberry or a middle finger gesture would be appropriate at this point.) No holding back anymore... We're not going to let them kill more children in the name of racist colonizing! #FreePalestine! #EndTheGenocide !
Did you know if you criticised South African Apartheid you were "Anti-Dutch"? Nah, me neither.
Did the anti Apartheid movement chant “free the Netherlands from the Dutch. Intifada against the Dutch”? That doesn’t sound very familiar. Why did Nelson Mandela say he was a Zionist and supporter of Israel? Was he misinformed?
No, you are.
Exactly - one of the reasons it’s so hard to talk about this is the weaponisation of antisemitism and the conflation. At some point it just needs to be ignored because I think a lot of it is probably self censorship as well...
It shouldn't be hard just say it.
It shouldn’t it is hard but it is - because it is so ingrained within our culture. The Holocaust was, undoubtedly, the worst crime in modern history - and it hangs over the West as a collective guilt because it happened both on our watch and on our soil. It is so emotive and charged. But I think that’s why the Left must ignore the issue of being labelled antisemitic when it is not being while also continuing to explain in detail about why one cannot conflate this with a critique of both Zionism, in its present form, and the Israeli government - while also acknowledging that antisemitism must be called out when it is expressed as a hatred or discrimination of people for being just for being Jewish. One cannot fight back by falling into the trap that’s laid...
I am not part of American culture. The Holocaust happened it is also happening in other country's like Myanmar/Yemen but we ignore them. When we ignore them shit happens.
It is not the left it is every person who does not speak out about these catastrophes but sit at home hoping things will work out.
Cowardly people do not make a great nation.
America and the West except a few country's should be yelling and screaming (a lot of us are) but until some 'imaginary' leader stands up and says STOP. Nothing will happen.
Frankly I don't care who calls me an anti-Jewish because I know within I am not.
Caitlin is the type of person we NEED. She is doing this nearly every day again and again and again and I imagine she will not stop until this nightmare stops. I don't imagine it is easy for her. I have seen comments on here.
Where are the others like Caitlins?
Thanks Jenny - I wholeheartedly agree. I’ve lived in Yemen. I’ve lived in Syria. I live in Lebanon. Here, we talk constantly about this. We host events, go to talks, film screenings etc., share on social media, sit late into the night drinking wine and discussing paradigm shifts and redistribution of wealth and and and...but in a globalised world these are global issues and that, in the long term, need global solutions. That why I referenced the Left specifically - because it is, unfortunately and unfairly, the Left who must drive this paradigm into reality
Hi Riwaq Allah.
OK I understand what you are saying about the left and I agree.
We do the same sort of thing here in France hard to have a conversation not about politics. Things are changing all over the world and it's not looking good. Le Pen has a good chance of getting in here in France in the next election. It behoves us all on the left to work harder than ever to stop this.
I lived in the US for 23yrs it was difficult to have any political discussion..they didn't care now this mess called Trump is about to happen. Caring and voting as you know is deeply important.
Jenny with best wishes.
The Holocaust is not the worst crime of the 20th century, by numbers or % of population (look up the Herero genocide or what the Belgians did in the Congo). It's not even the greatest mass murder of WWII, as that happened by far to the peoples of the USSR.
Antisemitism simply happen to be useful for Western liberals to justify their Zionists settler colonial project and obfscate the larger scale mass murders committed against Communists and peoples of the global South by the global North.
I’d also include the Famine of Bengal 1943 on that list - and the famine of Mount Lebanon in 1917 (of which allied policies were instrumental) which killed half the population...
Hi. Thanks JB for your response :-) I’m not 100% sure what your point is though within the wider scheme of things - I’ve argued extensively here and on my page that the Holocaust was part of a wider European/Western supremacist/genocidal movement. I’ve also spoken about US Neo-imperialism post WWII and written about this within the context of the ethnic cleansing/genocide of the Palestinian people happening now and over the last 100 + years.
The point that I was trying to make (I’ll choose my words more carefully so as not to fall into my own trap) was that the Holocaust was, in effect, the culmination of that into one very specific and concretised policy/crime that the West ignored when it was happening - and used as the justification for support of the Zionist project in its expansionist and exclusionary policies after
Yes I definitely agree. My comment wasn't intended as disagreement as an addition to your's. Westerners are so used to exceptionalizing the Holocaust and the effect is to memoryhole their polity's culpability in other mass murders with a far higher cumulative body count. Having had a Western education myself, I can still feel myself being triggered by words like "Nazi", "antisemitism", "holocaust", and "totalitarianism" even after decades devoted to deprogramming myself from all that.
The institution of slavery, which might not be construed as “modern” history, per se, was far, far worse than the “holocaust”, and Jews were major traders in slaves. There is NOT a good relationship between Black Americans and Jews. Black Americans rightfully identify with the Palestinians.
Instead of sending IsraHell $4 billion a year, that money should be spent compensating the descendants of slaves, on whose backs this country was built, as well as Native Americans from whom the Anglos stole an entire continent.
Absolutely - slavery was on a different level, as was European colonialism. The number of deaths as both a direct and indirect consequence runs into the hundreds of millions. I was talking about within the 20th/21st Centuries and within a specific timeframe rather than an ongoing policy that spanned generations. I think the subject of reparations should absolutely be spoken about but I also think the global economy would need restructuring to bring about lasting change
The Holocaust is part of the top 5 but doesn’t hold the same weight anymore. When Zionists have been engaged in genocide for the last 75 years, I think they easily win the “worst crime in modern history” award. Especially because of the Holocaust, it’s even more despicable and monstrous. It’s only natural for the sympathy to be diminished.
Hi Micaela - thanks so much for your response. Absolutely - the crimes carried out in the name of Zionism are appalling, as is the way the West has turned a blind eye to it - predominantly through the dehumanisation of the Arab.
My point was more of a call to be specific in differentiating between the Holocaust (one of a series of horrific crimes carried out in the name of European nationalism) and Zionism, which I think are much less tangentially linked than people in the West often realise. I’ve written about this in more detail on my latest post: https://open.substack.com/pub/riwaq/p/a-question-of-perspective?r=2ovi1y&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
The conflating is entirely intentional.
Agreed…
Those who claim that Jews are not allowed to have any other ways of thinking other than to support whatever Israel does, including military occupation, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide sounds very anti-Semitic to me. That is the true anti-Semitism. Such a slander on the Jewish people, to corral them all into supporting such viciousness, is outrageous, There are many thoughtful and caring Jews who do not support this, but the Zionist fanatics slander them as well.
Genocide and politics are much the same; timing is everything:
Do it when Washington has your back and totally submissive and captive to your every wish.
Make sure your motive jives with Washington's: greater control of the Middle East.
Deaths don't matter, the Empire has been killing millions for decades.
Western populations accept war as the tapestry of our existence.
We are used to racism and violence, both are well rooted in our cultures.
Western democracies are broken, colonized, and the silence of our leaders is bought and paid for.
Wars and genocides are good for business.
Where apartheid is tentative, genocide is conclusive.
After all is said and done genocide is just war on steroids!
It's the Social Darwinism!
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😠 Social Darwinists believe that ethics based principles are 'limitations pretending to be virtues'. To them, ethics are 'feel good illusions' that humans invented to pretend our species has empathy. To Social Darwinists, empathy is irrefutable evidence of inexcusable weakness. To them, all who are guided by ethics are deluded fools that should be eliminated from the human 'apex predator' gene pool for the "good" of our species.
Social Darwinists believe that the dictum, “survival of the fittest” (a term coined not by Charles Darwin but by sociologist Herbert Spencer), means that only the "fittest" should survive. Darwin's book published later ("Descent of Man") made it clear that Darwin completely supported the morally bankrupt views of Spencer.
Enthusiastic converts to Social Darwinism have, to this day, used the language of evolution to frame an understanding of the growing gulf between the rich and the poor, as well as the many differences between cultures all over the world. The explanation they arrived at, and continue to use to justify biosphere trashing profit over people and planet, regardless of any alligator tear filled mendacious claims to the contrary, is that businessmen and others who are economically and socially successful are so because they are biologically and socially “naturally” the fittest. 🙄🤔
Conversely, they reason that the poor are “naturally” weak and unfit and it would be an error to allow the weak of the species to continue to breed. 😡 Anyone paying attention can SEE that Netanyahu's Government, AND ANYONE or ANY GOVERNMENT (i.e. 😈 US) supporting it, IS a 🦖 SOCIAL DARWINIST, whether they consciously carry that label or not.
EXCELLENT Painting by Caitlin Johnstone:
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The ideology of the Social Darwinist is indistinguishable from the despicable ideology of NAZI Germany, clearly exemplified in their brutally enforced morally bankrupt concentration camp law: “Eat your own bread, and if you can, that of your neighbor.”
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The "Apex Predators have a DARWINIAN RESPONSIBILITY to BE as PREDATORILY EVOLVED (SEE: Steal everything that is not nailed down.) as possible" WORLDVIEW is the socially destructive tsunami now engulfing human society.
What all the entrenched insiders among the parasitic, predatory (i.e. Social Darwinist) elites and institutions don't dare admit publicly, though they celebrate that privately, is that to protect themselves from consequence, making the rest of us sacrifice everything else is what they-the-Apex-Predators have a DARWINIAN DUTY to DO. After all, Homo sapiens is "just the result of random undirected processes", the more you can "enlightened self interest" DO to get MORE POWER by causing, directly or indirectly, the death of human competitors for the species gene pool high ground, "the better".
Social 😈 Darwinists champion 🦍 Kafkaesque survival olympics. 😠
Frugality and prudence, once accepted by all human cultures as sine qua non, has given way to massive excess by TPTB (and too many of the, brainwashed by the "education system", non-rich populace) and a level of craziness in culture ethical humans never imagined they would experience.
Our species is on a track to extinction BECAUSE of TPTB's TOTAL embrace of the morally bankrupt SOCIAL DARWINIST IDEOLOGY. TPTB, blatantly self-serving, corrupt, unaccountable and devoid of any sense of good and evil, will be our doom if they are not stopped.
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https://soberthinking.createaforum.com/who-can-you-trust/corruption-in-government/msg1119/#msg1119
The problem with this notion of "social Darwinism" is the assumptions that Darwin ever advocated for any of that. His theory are used to say it's natural to be greedy psychopaths. No one reads his complete works and takes these ideas as second hand from people who used his dog eat dog survival of the fittest (or ruthless) as the way to organize human affairs, a warning he gave within his writings was to NOT do that. He further demonstrated that in nature there was plenty of counter examples of cooperative strategy that had far more long term benefits for survival than scratching each others eyes out to get another rung up some corporate ladder..
John Nash the brilliant but troubled mathematician had also developed the same conclusions but the wall street types took his theory of fuck you buddy and ran with that instead after he also said co-operation was a better long term strategy.
My theory is that humans are simply a type of planetary cancer with a board of directors "devour everything , meeting adjourned" we think we are so "special" that the rules of nature only apply to us when convenient to use them as an excuse to satiate our profound narcissism. Pick choice A or B we always seem to pick the one that best suit our sickness.
The host organism is none of our concern.
"he gave within his writings was to NOT do that" - so he argued for humans to come up, maintain, and act within the concept of morality? Which would come from where?
"there was plenty of counter examples of cooperative strategy" - was it deliberately chosen by those species or is it simply in their nature?
Darwin had a mix of religious views his entire life and worked at a parish. In later life he became an agnostic but never was strictly an atheist.
""there was plenty of counter examples of cooperative strategy" - was it deliberately chosen by those species or is it simply in their nature?""
If you were not such a mental midget mucking around on the level of a chimpanzee you could understand the gift man has to reason (more than you seem capable) that nature may have it's own intelligence (that does not need a man made version of a god interpretation).
Humans have a power to reason to chose better than just base instincts. That still does not need a man made God.. You chose to be an asshole all on your own merit. Then hide behind an image of a God to do so.
You have an abusive personality and you seem to have formed every justifications for it..and a facade of self righteousness to hide behind.. The marker of a zealot.
"Humans have a power to reason to chose better than just base instincts." - demonstrate to me how that power was applied throughout history. Why they applied that power a certain way as opposed to what Darwin said they should.
By the way, how busy are you in your therapy business? Can I get an appointment? I understand with your aptly demonstrated ability to gain insights you must be in great demand and the availability is scarce.
Here I have a therapeutic excersise you might use...next time you brush your teeth (or tooth)in a mirror take a good hard look right in your own eyes and ask yourself "am I a liar".
The answer will well up in you and that little pang of fear is going to be the truth.
But I imagine you don't actually posess the spine to ever have the courage to attempt it..
Your pathology is beyond most therapist ability to deal with the profound duplicitous personality you posess.
This is the thing you mental stumps keep missing because you have been mind poisoned by religion (or atheism.)
Do you imagine these wars are "healthy" do you imagine a punitive abuse social order you have is healthy? Is it good for the individual? Or the whole? This idea of "morality" grew out of the idea of health..That's the motivating factor for "morals" ..people draw the ideas penned from religion and then equate that to God's.. You don't need a God to have morals you just need a sense of empathy and stop being selfish narascistic sniviling obsequious hairles apes and utilize your fucking brains not your loins alone.
No but you all want your fucking pecking orders so you can have an ego to boost so you will lie yourselves and justify anything and everything that suits you.
You're obviously not well today so I'll just point out that nowhere did I "imagine" wars were "healthy". They are excellent for certain groups of individuals to deny which would be moronic.
The rest of your insane rant is not worth addressing.
Take care of your mental health, Chaz. You sound deranged too often.
There you go again using that smear again.. Like you did before ...this is exactly what zealots do.
You accuse people of mental illness or in your case the tendency to accuse of witchcraft because of your own failures to comprehend. Its some sort of "tick" in your own personality You automatically go to..
Pluss you are the perfect example of an employee of the Spanish inquisition "Throw her in the lake if she sinks she was innocent if she floats she must be made of wood, witches are made of wood! wood burnes! BURN THE WITCH.
This is the extent of your mental processing and what you always sound like to me.
And you have the gall to call others Ill...fascinating!
You are correct, A.G.
On these very matters and at greater depth . . .
The Political Economy of Genocide - https://les7eb.substack.com/p/genocide-and-economics
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Sounds like what the Wehrmacht did as they rolled through Poland and the Soviet Union in 1941.
Only proportionally this is a lot worse. ZioNAZI Rothschildistan has surpassed its 1933-45 German role model.
Yes. Different weapons to make it easier!
Zionists have ONE IRON RULE: Logic is an Enemy and Truth is a Menace.
December 2, 2023 Chris Hedges Report
The Zionist movement from its inception has used deception, violence, ethnic cleansing and discrimination to solidify its apartheid state. The genocide in Gaza is another chapter in this 100-year war.
VIDEO 🕯️:
Columbia University Professor Rashid Khalidi ✨ on Zionism's 100-year ☠️ war against Palestinians
https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/the-chris-hedges-report-with-columbia
Regardless of who is guilty of attempting a genocide, I would like make a related point; another way to commit genocide is by denying the humanity of those killed by referring to them as "collateral damage."
If you mean to destroy a grocery store and you do, AND you take out the bowling alley next door, the destroyed bowling alley is collateral damage.
If an objective, such as killing murderers[,] is so important that you are willing to kill the innocents with them, especially if they are with them not by choice, then say so.
Have the [moral] courage of your convictions.
"Collateral damage" is the language of the reprehensible!
Go read Glen Greenwald article in the intercept titteld Obama killed a 16 year old in Yemen.
Murdering American children so they could never tell the truth about their father that they assasinated to shut him up from speaking out against American imperialism...and at the same time killing innocent bystanders as "collateral damage" Trump went on to kill his 11 year old sister in another drone bombing also killing scores of other innocent people. A mafia style kill the whole family policy... American strings of war crimes gone unpunished.
Something of the contemporary history of Genocide and Profit and settler-colonial expansionism.
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Joe Biden is history. There is no way he OR the corrupt democratic party is going to survive backing this obvious genocide.
And I bet they will figure out a way to get rid of Trump. So one does wonder what fascist warmongering pig they will force upon the American people and the world next?
I don't think the world is going to just watch this continuing televised massacre much longer ...
I hope you are right, but somedays I gotta wonder. Most Americans may not agree with what's going on in Gaza, but they're sticking their fingers in their ears and closing their eyes. They're afraid to speak up for the oppressed of the world. Maybe we gotta get a lot more uncomfortable--more homeless workers, more hungry people at Christmas, etc.--to get mad enough to stand up to the status quo. But once we do? REVOLUTION!!
There have been huge demonstrations in every Canadian city. I have been to 4 demos and I didn't see a single media truck or reporter. The mainstream media is helping people to keep their ears plugged and their eyes covered.
Yeah, I've only seen a couple of local TV stations and one newspaper reporter so far at any of the demos we've attended. And they don't always put the footage they've shot on the 6 PM news, either. But passers-by see us and postings on other social platforms get seen, so they can't cover everyone's eyes. We've gotta keep it up and get it out there so we can change hearts and minds, one at a time if necessary.
Same in my little town, which has a lot of Muslims and refugees for various reasons.
Total media blackout.
Right behind ya!!!
I am not trying to equate what is happening to children in Gaza with this, but it felt like in a small way, it fits with how children in Gaza are being treated today
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That song is So 80s..lol
I have always seen school as a Nazi internment camp as a kid where you are beaten down to be mindless and obedient to authority. Teach by punishment.. That's why today they are all just products of government run obedience training. Learn to memorize dates and times of historic events written by and from the ideology of American exceptionallism. Don't think for yourself an authority figure will do that for you... Till today woke inclusion is warpping them into another form of obedience training.
Employers don't want independent thinkers. They want anxious and therefore obedient drones.
Paul Fussel and John Taylor Gatto and Ivan Illych are all most instructive.
George Carlin said it all in comedy.
Here there are demonstrators. On opposite sides & corners.
The way US politics works is a discredited party will generate consent through scare tactics, either whipping up racism, or invading someone on a pretext or a creatingva false flag attack and calling for “unity”.
Bill Clinton bombed Serbia to boost his election standing for example.
True. But it isn't working either for Genocide Joe or Mass Murderer Netanyahu - where some polls now have Netanyahu's popularity in single digits.
Wait until election time in the US. Just watch. It will be one of those three tactics + the electoral opponent imprisoned.
The sign in my yard, Genocide Joe with vote X ed out. In the end I'm not sure if I will vote WEST or STEIN 24. We shall see. Will a third party reach 20% very possible.
Landu, I WANT one of those signs! Where’d you get? I used to be a sign painter so I guess I could do my own.
I voted for Stein once, but this time I’m going for the impassioned West.
My own, my last yard sign Bernie, who has since crushed my sense that any political action will save us from ourselves was torn by a unknown neighbor ha. I will again petition drive and knock for one or the other. What most bothers me about our Brother Cornel. The day he announced I sent an eye-opening donation and then no a word about campaigning/ballot petition/door knocking zero in communication. At this point with Bernie's campaign, I had already annoyed hundreds of people hahaha, donated more than I had ever dreamed I would. For me 24 is about giving the finger and poking the eye of the monster single party. We can not let Genocide Joe or Genocide Trump walk into 24. Every day I see the horror of the photo of Palestinian children in pieces and I am helpless and hopeless. Writing to my CONgress people resulted in two non-responses and one thanking me for agreeing with her Genocidal voting and language. All I have are the people I meet like you and the few friends who haven't become warmongers. Much love to you and thank you.
Trump backs Israel..his own son in law I'm convinced is a mossad asset.
> I don't think the world is going to just watch this continuing televised massacre much longer
Insh'allah.
Trump is the warmongering pig they will force upon the American people. I'll bet you $100 Zion Don gets in again and starts a war.
I dunno. He's made a lot of enemies - many of them quite powerful.
Mexican cartel leaders have powerful enemies, other cartel leaders
Very interesting question. This may be the first time since Perot for a outside the monoparty victory. Will Genocide Joe campaign from the basement again, yes. Trump will hammer Genocide Joe with Demented Joe from the debate stage, Are you lost Joe?
Yep, just like he did the last time.
I do so hope you're right.
Yes, and if the madness is not stopped, the Settlers will eventually show up at YOUR doorstep, saying that their God told them your place is in reality THEIRS.
Umm...
Yes, the creators of the IRS and FEDERAL RESERVE already did.
I wish one would, he’d be greeted with the business end of my .38 😁
The Old Testament, New Testament, Quran, and ancient Egyptian, Greek, Persian, and Arab records all show the Jewish people had a homeland and presence there for three thousand years. The Dead Sea scrolls are two thousand years old and many are written in Hebrew. The Jews are the indigenous inhabitants of Judea. Though the Arabs in the region are a Semitic people like the ethnicJews, they are indigenous to Arabia, not Judea or Samaria. Arab armies conquered Jerusalem from the Byzantines in 638. The Jewish kingdoms and Zionism predate the existence of capitalism and Western civilization. The Palestinians came to think of themselves as a distinct nationality in the mid 1960’s. They are not mentioned in the Quran. But Hamas is saying their God told them they should kill the Jews and take their land, first step in a bigger plan to take over the whole world and establish an Islamic caliphate.
You still don't get it, do ya? It is NOT a question of nationality, it is a question of indigenous population. The Palestinians are the indigenous population. Khazar/European Jews were NEVER the indigenous population, neither are the Jews from anywhere else.
The handful of indigenous Jews did not claim the land as theirs, nor were they interested in a ZioNAZI Rothschildistan.
As for killing, thet is the specialty of the Talmud: “Even the best of the goyim should all be killed” -Soferim 15.
the jews took Israel from the indigenous people it found there.
Just not true. Historically the Jews are the indigenous people. Anywherre you dig you find evidence of Jewish habitation going back thousands of years. The Hebrew language is a Semitic language, like Arabic.
The Islamists themselves don’t make your argument. They claim a divine right of conquest for Islam and a divine obligation to kill Jews. Hamas has no interest in a Palestinian state. Read their charter.
There is no such thing as an Israeli. IsraHell is a made-up quasi-nation Initiated by the UN, Amerikkka, and not-great Britain by foisting EUROPEAN Jews onto the native Palestinian population. They have no connection to the Middle East whatever.
If post WWII Jews needed a “homeland”, they already had one. It’s called Noo Yawk City. Alternately, it should have been carved out of Germany. But we can’t displace WHITE people now, can we?
Also, the Jews had and still have many homelands already where they have self-determination: French Jews in France, U.S. Jews in the U.S., etc.
But you see, Gypsy, the Jews are the Chosenites, therefore they are exceptional, so they need a 2nd self-determination: a Jews-only homeland. Now who can argue with that, hey?
Okay then.
Let’s return to the Roman Empire while we’re at it.
Since you mentioned the Bible, the Bible is quite clear that the ancient Hebrews are NOT the indigenous population of Palestine.
of the many fucking incredible moments of dipshittery that I have come across in my entire life, this talking point about hebrews being the REAL indigenous people of that land is among the top 5
Tribalistic, parochial "thinking" like this will get us all killed, eventually. It just killed THOUSANDS of women and children which is NOT ok.
According to the Jewish Virtual Library, these are the demographic figures for Palestine over the last 140 years.
1882 – 8% Jews
1918 – 8.1% Jews
1931 – 16.9% Jews
1936 – 28.1% Jews
1946 – 30% Jews
1948 – 82.1% Jews after the European Colonialist invasion.
The really gross hypocrisy is England, the US and Canada would not accept Jews seeking refuge during the rise of Hitler.
Don’t waste time telling the truth to racists and antisemites. Notice in this entire comment section not a single reference to the $15 billion paid to Hamas since 2007 by humanitarian organizations and spent on rockets, training child soldiers and suicide bombers? Or the million Palestinians murdered by the British, Syrians and Jordanians? Or the repeated refusal of Jordan, Syria and Lebanon to register Palestinian births or allow refugees to settle in those countries? Or the continual Arab bombings, rapes, beheadings of the Jews in the region over the past century, and a century before the modern state of Israel was even founded? These people don’t care about Palestinian children, they just want to kill Jews. It’s obvious.
You wrote all that to validate violent ethnic cleansing and land theft by european immigrants and their descendants.
The Americans destroyed cultural centres in Iraq. They killed civilians. Now they have imprisoned Julian Assange for reporting on their atrocities. They were a kind of beginning template for what Israel has developed into.
it's definitely not a bad moment to take a look in the mirror
Yeah well the Israeli government does exactly what it wants to do and not anything else
Their zoinests own American government lock stock & barrel.
The ziochristians or what ever the hell they are have the republican party in their pocket.
And it looks more and more that it really is the Uniparty especially anything involving who owns their asses
I as a "legacy" American am pissed as hell. Our country is backing a genocide.
America is going to reap what it has been sowing and that will be justice.
I am a non-Jew. I don't like referring to myself this way as I'm sure Black people don't want to be referred to as non-White. However, it seems to be that we are in a storm of labels that need to be addressed.
I understand why Aaron Mate and Katie Halper declare that they are Jewish, as Climate Adam has done here, to emphasise that the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza is absolutely not in their name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vf7Bi6GdRY (wars account for about 5% of emissions and there are no agreements anywhere to reduce the use of fossil fuels- sustainable green weapons anyone?!) .
But I want to understand, as it seems very important right now, why identities are so significant. Some people like to declare that they can trace their ancestors to the Mayflower, but really, so what? Jewish people claim they are descendants (though thoroughly genetically mixed like everyone else; even with social pressure not to 'marry out') of people from Judea. Really, what's the big deal? Many do not practice nor believe all the Jewish customs or religious practices, some purposefully designed, I believe, to make Jews stand out in Gentile society, so it is not entirely religious nor cultural.
It feels from the outside a bit like the Masons, only you have to be born into it or are sometimes allowed to 'convert' to Judaism if you want to marry in, as Isla Fisher did to marry Zionist Sacha Baron Cohen.
Of course people should be able to 'identify' however they wish. But that should not give a man the right, for example, to enter a women only space on the basis of his 'identity'. Nor the right to a genocide because of what happened to one's ancestors. Identifying with a group history as victims, as we have seen, has led to devastating consequences.
Of course we all have the right to be proud of our heritage, though the more we identify with a religion or a national past as winners or losses, oppressor or suppressed and internalise these personalities, the more work we have to do in therapy and meditation to dis-identify with them and learn to live new in each moment!
Of course we all have a right to our beliefs and cultures. But if that belief is that we are chosen by God ahead of others or that it's our culture to massacre families of whales, then in the words of Richard Dawkins- it's time to get a better belief and a better culture. People should be respected, it's open season on their religions, ideas and cultures.
Children live in the moment, in their bodies, in self-sufficiency and innate compassion. They have to be taught through years of education and conditioning that they are better than others, or lesser than others, that war and killing to get their own way is OK, that factory farming sentient beings and environmental destruction to have nice things is OK.
The way forward is less stereotyping. Less identifying. Less social constructs telling us how we should behave. Less I am this; you are that. Less faith schools. Less nationalism.
More we are all earthlings hurtling towards climate meltdown so let's at least come together for the finale!!
Well said! It's sad how almost every conflict has an "us" versus "them" element to it - sometimes even as a precondition stage.
Thank you.
Well said indeed, but it gets idealistic by the end. These types of appeals mean absolutely nothing. You face an organized cabal of rulers who control the repression apparatus that will suppress any attempts at trying something else at any cost.
For example, consider the attempt at communism. The idea is awesome, and while idealistic, hence unreachable to the full extent, the attempt would be a destruction of the cabal first and foremost.
The cabal quickly realized it and put hard pressure from the very beginning. Of all kinds, including wars, hot and cold. In those circumstances the defending side was forced to take measures far distant from what was intended. The cabal, though, would insist that all those features were innate and intrinsic to the system attempted to be built.
As to "why identities are so significant." - to feel special (hence superior in some way), claim supremacy, submit to vanity, etc. Just look at all those fans of various types: football clubs, home teams, swifties, Beatles, Rolling Stones, hippies (delusional junkies experimented on and laughed at with derision by the rulers, encouraged in their fantasy of "make love, no war" while fucking their brains out and spreading the diseases of all kinds - good thing from the rulers' standpoint), and on and on, thousands.
Humans are ugly and stupid by nature. Religions make attempts to force some rules onto the masses but they quickly got overtaken by numerous churches and turned into controlling mechanism to reach specific ends. It's all rotten.
I fundamentally and whole heartedly disagree with you. Humans are neither ugly nor stupid. Those in power are as controlled by their conditioning and what's happened to them as everyone else is. None of us need to be.
Of course you can disagree.
I wonder, though, how you reconcile the history of humanity with your "Humans are neither ugly nor stupid" assertion.
Humans do horrible things because horrible things happened to them. Because they are taught a load of crap about who they are and how they should be. The resulting behaviour is not their true nature.
Homo sapiens is the only entity on earth who kills for reasons other than substinence.
We kill because we CAN.
We are clearly an inferior species.
"Homo sapiens is the only entity" I appreciate the sentiment and I'm always down to commiserate about how people can suck but one need look no further than their dog or cat to see whatever pollutes our genome this way isn't unique.
But I don't believe a child would strangle a rabbit because it could, i think it would stroke it. Aggression and the need to kill and control others is learnt behaviour.
Your "Children live in the moment, in their bodies, in self-sufficiency and innate compassion." is extremely naive. Leave children alone in their "innate compassion" and they will do incredible violence, bands would form, leaders emerge, etc. They require close supervision and nurturing so they could become proper humans in the ideal sense of the word.
Also, far from everyone who was abused becomes an abuser. And vice versa.
I am not explaining myself very well. I'm saying that at a certain age the child stops looking to its own heart to find what feels good and right and starts looking to the adult for approval in order to ensure its survival. The child will go against its own heart and nature to ensure the approval of the adult. If the adult says to be a man and earn my respect (and ensure your survival) you must suppress your emotions and kill things etc etc then that is what the child will do. It is not the child's true nature, which i believe is compassion.
I am obviously not saying that children should be left to fend for themselves without loving adults around to take care of them.
I don't believe that there are any abusers who haven't been abused or neglected.
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I am really sick and tired of these people who stick up for Israel and always accuse anyone who speaks out against what Israel is doing, as being anti-Semitic. I am not anti-Semitic, but what I am against is the mass murder of innocent women and children and any innocent civilians, for that matter. And when some bring up about the Jewish people being on this land for 3,000 years before the Hebrews were scattered among different nations and that this is in the Old Testament, well I say to them that I was not aware that God and the Old Testament were real estate agents. The fact of the matter is that the Palestinians had been living on that land for so very long when Israel became a state in 1948. I am quite sure God did not mean for one ethnic group to just come and take this land from another group, especially when that group throws the other out of their homes and massacres them. It wasn’t the Palestinians fault that the Jewish people were scattered among other nations at whatever time that happened. There are many Jews who are against Zionism and this GENOCIDE Israel is committing in Gaza. Just because I stand for Palestinians doesn’t make me a Jew hater, Holocaust denier or any of those horrible things Israel apologists accuse people who see this as atrocities being committed against an innocent people. Like many JVP(Jewish Voices for Peace) activists say, “Never again means never again to ANYONE.”
Most of the Israelis who are living there now - never had ancestors living there. Their DNA comes from different parts of the world. It literally never was their "land".
While Arabs were living in the territory that was called Palestine by the Romans, they initially arrived with conquering Arab armies in 638. The idea they were a distinct nationality called Palestinian was invented by the Soviet KGB in the 1960s. In contrast Zionism has been around for 3,000 years. The Arabs and Muslims have many nations and conquered a large territory. Why is it illegitimate for the Jews to have a small state of their own on their historic homeland? If you think the Jews are the only people who don’t deserve a state, you are anti-Semitic, much as you might try to deny it.
so I guess you support the mass murder of innocent women and children and any other innocent civilians. What does that make you, Caleb?
Well I guess you support the mass rape, murder, and mutilation of women, the burning of families, the shooting of young people in a peace festival, the beheading of people, kidnapping, and the whole range of depraved Hamas atrocities. Israel does more than any other army to minimize civilian casualties. Hamas deliberately kills Israelis and uses its own civilians as human shields. The civilians of Gaza could be evacuated to safety out of the war zone. Why won’t Hamas allow this?
we seem to inhabit different worlds.
any group is entitled to organize into a state, as long as doing so doesn't require evicting or murdering half the pre-existing population - this statement is not antisemitic and no thinking person gives a shit who was there in 638 with regard to who forms a state there in the present
A clear example of circular reasoning with fallacious premises. The problem here - is the result of this circular reasoning is the current ongoing extermination of human life in GAZA - which needs to be stopped. There is no justification for the massacre going on right now - nor any kind of defense of Caleb Mars here (or whoever the fuck he really is) to defend the ongoing slaughter. A nation like Israel committing genocide forfeits its moral right to exist as a nation. Thou Shall Not Kill.
100%, Caleb. You nailed it. But if you read the comments and the original post, you’re explaining the truth to people who are intoxicated by racism and hatred of Jews. It’s as pointless as Dr. Martin Luther King trying to reason with the KKK.
The only way Israel survives, in its current construct, is by way of genocide. Today Gaza, tomorrow the West Bank. And then the Palestinians in Jerusalem. Israel will *never* have peace or security.
I certainly hope not after what they’ve done for a hundred years.
The world is sticking up for Palestine. I watched reps from many different nations at a UN assembly on YouTube. Except for the usual handful of suspects, they were fierce in their criticism of IsraHell. Venezuela and Indonesia were especially fired up.
Most of the world is furious, but the power is with the few. Until the balance of power shifts, the Zionists will stay on this genocidal path. No non-Zionist thought this would be happening to Gaza. But Israel has been planning it for years - their genocidal language since Oct 7 confirms this.
Not sure why you are so negative about the future. If Israel destroys Hamas and proceeds with deNazification of the people of Gaza, there may be ongoing low levels of violence, but not enough to stop Israel from advancing economically and diplomatically. Its ties with Egypt, Jordan, and the Arab states in the Abraham Accords will grow stronger. Compared to Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Sudan, there will be relative peace in Israel. Its Jewish population will soon be over 10 million due to immigration and a high birth rate.
The nazis are in Israel baby.
In your dreams! 😂
who's going to proceed with the denazification of netanyahu and his cronies?
Keep dreaming, fool.
I completely agree that deNazification is absolutely essential to the survival of Israel. We just disagree on which party are the Nazi's. As does this holocaust survivor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph9XF39yjgU
That’s really an anti-Jewish lie. Hamas and the extreme Islamic fundamentalists believe it is their holy mission to exterminate Jews. They inculcate deep hatred of Jews. Their roots go back to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Amin al-Husseini who instigated pogroms against the Jews of Iraq and Palestine in the 1930s and who was a devotee of Adolph. Many current Islamists praise Hitler and the Nazis and vow to finish their genocide. Most Jews and Israelis want to live in peace with their Arab neighbors and certainly have no desire to exterminate them. Hamas committed horrific atrocities against Israelis on October 7. No one can imagine Israelis doing anything like that in return. The de-Nazification of the Arabs of Gaza will involve raising their children to believe in tolerance and to no longer want to massacre Jews.
Yes, when you twist history to fit the Zionist project then ofcourse genocide is “justified.” But guess where Hamas does not exist:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy_mn2OS1qT/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Btw here is another anti-jewish jew:
https://www.youtube.com/live/HXdQudIKbz0?si=bf_kPWVdxaGHAnS2
And this one is a Rabbi:
https://youtu.be/gIX368TtOJs?si=caALL4g7Y-b9YMmX
Time will separate the truth from the lies, and it won’t be too much longer...
By your genocidal logic, if the Nazis had been successful in implementing The Final Solution, the problem would be fixed. Tell us why genocide is okay for others but not for your side.
Not sure where you are getting that warped interpretation, but I obviously oppose genocide. The Nazis committed genocide against the Jews. That was their Final Solution.
Israel is not committing anything like genocide against the Palestinian Arabs. They are fighting a war in Gaza, a war that was started by Hamas.
Your proposed solution describes genocide. I supposenif Hitler only exterminated those Jews opposed to national socialism, that would make it okay?
I see you don’t know the definition of genocide. I am not proposing to put any civilians in gas chambers. The only people who get deliberately killed are Hamas, who are the people who started the war . They are the IslamoNazis. The doctrine of
Genocide they espouse will be eliminated through reeducation, not through physical extermination.
look up the UN definition of genocide and get back to us.
Ok, so as long as there are no gas chambers, there can't be genocide. Thanks for clearing that up. As +972 confirmed, Israel does intentionally kill civilians. But since there are no gas chambers, it's all good.
Israel needs to proceed with deNazifying itself.
Like the upside-down pyramids of the Star of David, it's the Jews of Israel using dehumanizing terms and characterizations of Palestinians like the Nazis characterized the Jews in another place and Time.
Israel has one of the highest uptakes in the world of the Death Jabs. Its younger population has the highest uptake in the country while the older population has the lowest. Its current population wont be rising, in fact it will follow the rest of the world with more deaths, disabilities and infertility. But as a actuary and math professor you already know that. : )
Don’t waste your time and energy. They don’t care about the truth or the Palestinian children. They just hate Jews and want all Jews raped, decapitated and burned alive. Look at their comments. They speak for themselves.
Most of the leaders of Sunni Arab states want Israel to destroy Hamas and deliver a major setback to Iran. The Hamas attack was done at the behest of Iran to slow down the move towards an Israeli-Saudi normalization deal. The Jordanians may be angry at Israel, but the deal giving Israel solar power in return for desalinated water is economically compelling.
So? That's like arguing that I have a right to your house because your neighbors don't like you or your friends, and I have lots of money to throw around, to boot.
No I’m simply rebutting the simple-minded idea that Israel is fighting all Arabs or all Muslims or that it is hostile to them. Quite the contrary, Israel should see improved relations with many Arab and Islamic countries if it can destroy Hamas. It is all Jewish land originally and it was taken from the defeated Ottoman Turkish Empire and given to the British as a mandate after WWI to establish a Jewish state. Israel has lots of Arab citizens. They have more individual rights than they have in any other place in the MidEast. There never was a Palestine State and the advent of Palestinian nationalism did not happen till the 1960s, decades after the land was declared by international law and treaty as land reserved for a Jewish state. Dig anywhere and you find artifacts with Hebrew writing.
So as long as Israel only ethnically cleanses some Arabs, the ones who happen to be so rudely occupying land that Israel covets, then that makes it okay!
A damning new report from +972 Magazine published on Thursday exposes how Israel has been deliberately striking civilian targets in Gaza as a matter of policy because they believe it will “lead civilians to put pressure on Hamas.” It makes it clear that the IDF is very much aware of where the civilians are, and that when they kill children it’s because they calculated that it would be strategically worthwhile to do so.
Boy, that sure sounds a lot like terrorism....
Listen, that is very insulting to call me that. I learned about the Holocaust from my mom and I have always stood up for the Jewish people when it came to what the horrific Nazis did in WW2 to the Jews. I’m the last person you want to call anti-Semitic, but never again should mean just that for ANYONE and that is exactly what Jewish Voice for Peace is saying. A lot of Jews don’t support Israel fyi. Regardless of what happened in 638, the Palestinians were living in what was Palestine, now Israel, and 750,000 of them were ethnically cleansed from their homes and off their land in 1947-48(Nakba). So, because the Jews were there 3,000 years before they went to other places around the globe, the Palestinians that were there in 1948 should’ve just sucked it up and been glad to give up their homes/land that they had lived on for centuries?! I’m sorry, but something about that doesn’t seem right to me and I would say the same if the situation were reversed. But you don’t get to call me anti-Semitic just because I don’t go along with Bibi’s genocidal rampage in Gaza. I know what the Nazis did to the Jews in the 30’s and 40’s. I have read many books on the Holocaust and studied things about it, so I know what real anti-Semitism is and that’s not me. If I’m not mistaken, Palestinians are also a Semitic people. “Not in our name” is what many Jews are saying at these pro ceasefire protests and I have listened to some who have family members who were murdered in the Holocaust and/or are survivors themselves(very small children at the time and lost their whole family in the death camps).
This is a reply to Caleb’s reply to my comments made earlier.
History is important but when genocide becomes the solution to another problem, then the other problem becomes less urgent than the genocide that is happening right before our eyes. Besides that, Netanyahu is a zionist
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If I were going to commit genocide, I would not bother trying to copy 1933-45 German Nazis, I'd jump straight to the more efficient ZioNAZI method that is now proudly shown to the world, esp. since, contrary to the German Nazis, the ZioNAZIS have full, unquestioning, fawning support from the West.
Yeahhh, that's how I'd do it.