“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.”
If more of us paid attention to Krishnamurti we'd be living in the world Caitlin says is ours for claiming if only we'd awaken to it. He could have liberated the world in ways probably no other human ever could have. OK, there have been others, but they've all been saying pretty much the same things. David Bohm, for one. But few give a damn.
I also feel that the trend of modern humans to embrace anthropocentric worldviews is in large part responsible for the depravity, desolation, mass destruction and generally empty existence that most humans are involved with today.
People also unwittingly make it harder on themselves by paying ANY attention at all to the MSM.
People would be MUCH better served looking at what's behind the MSM, like reading up on Edward Bernays for example. Or Rockefeller and how he coopted the medical industry and squelched nutriceuticals and natural health.
Or who the Central Banking Cabal are. But I've found that people would rather pollute their minds with crap on the Lobotomy Box than actually educate themselves, which requires more effort than just plopping down with a bunch of crap food and clicking the remote.
That's a choice however.
I tell people all the time, the reason why history seems to be so boring as they teach it, is because it's false, and therefore it is boring and quite often even contradictory. That if they knew and understood real history, then it would invigorate them, but at the same time it would anger then to action.
Back to Edward Bernays, ... there's a reason why it's called Propaganda and why that's what passes as education.
Speaking of Propaganda, most people don't realize that in 2013, the US passed a law " Extending Radio Free Europe to cover the Western Hemisphere". Radio Free Europe was a CIA Propaganda ops.
This is how the MSM wrote it ---but in Reality it read - " We the USGov now have the right to use Propaganda - Against the Citizens of the USA" signed by B Obama in 2013. At Midnight most likely. And they weren't joking around because as long as the MSM gets their news from the USGov. they can't be sued for the BS content. Sabe' ?
What does a person do when they realize the world they've been living in is insane? It's like growing up in an insane asylum being told by everyone, and believing, it's the normalist of all worlds, only to realize as you navigate it how deranged it all is. It's disconcerting to discover that those few remaining endangered societies that more closely adhere to the real normal (human evolution before it was roped-off and pepper-sprayed) are the ones being systematically destroyed by the ruling lunatics of your own society. It's a bitter pill; disorienting and isolating. Yet this gnawing unease is the norm for Western society, so that people don't see it as a sickness, as an illness that needs curing. Instead, we're told that more of the disease is the cure. Any happiness to be found in such a context has to be based on lies, gullibility and profound ignorance by those still refusing to question it, or by mental and/or physical withdrawal. Perhaps this malaise of awakening is what King Solomon had in mind when he said, "With much knowledge comes much sorrow". The only thing remaining for those traumatized from this rude awakening is to find kindred spirits, close ranks, and comfort each other while working for change, and making your own corner of existence as livable as possible without the internecine squabbling over pedantic trifles (the favorite pastime of liberals).
Thank you for your comment, but the fact that I'm here having this discussion strongly suggests that I consider life still worth living; I never thought it wasn't. I find comfort in the small life of loving family, a few friends, pets and the immediacy of everyday things.
And yes, humor is essential, especially in trying times.
That said, the idea that humans were always slaves and tyrants has been thoroughly debunked (there was never proof of that theory to begin with). It was the advent of totalitarian agriculture around 10-thousand-years-ago that gave rise to oppressive leaders and systems.
By "totalitarian agriculture" I mean the near total dependence on farming for the feeding of civilizations vs. earlier hunter/forager societies. Nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes didn't have the luxury of stockpiling possessions or foodstuffs because they were regularly on the move, following the herds and seasonal flora. Thus, there wasn't the need for totalitarian rule by the leader or elders. As one Native American Chief (I can't remember which) responded when Indian chiefs were compared to white leaders "If I made my braves do things they didn't want to do, I wouldn't be chief for long." Even in the settled traditional Native American tribes and other indigenous communities, wealth and power were, and remain, much more evenly distributed than in any civilization.
The old saw, liberally indulged in by psychiatrists and psychologists was that if you didn't "fit in" to society, the obvious conclusion was there was something wrong with you: there couldn't possibly be something wrong with society. That was assumed to be obvious. What was obvious but ignored was that it represented vested interests, and the establishment. They were all obviously accessories before and after the fact. Modernity has its drawbacks, but skepticism isn't one of them.
It's the antidote to all kinds of bullshit - but modernity is just the accumulation of at least 2000 years of stupid, cruel thinking and unworkable, destructive ideas. And some people think the problem is anti-traditionalism. And they're feted and celebrated for that stance.
This is what Marx said would happen to capitalism - the worker's conditions would get worse and worse and real wages would go down and down - a revolution would be inevitable and a state were the proles owed the means of production would ensue- perhaps with a bit of class consciousness and awareness practice of the workers own subjugation from Luxemburg and a bit of violence from Lenin thrown in.
That is a real question and the answer was needed 20 yrs. ago. The more you read Marx the future is revealed. The scary thing to me, nuclear war seems to be the population control of choice by all political parties of the NATO nations. Truly Creative Destruction the necessary evil of Capitalism.
The answer to the question is that WE own these robots. They are part of our common cultural inheritance. While hordes of boffins through the ages worked on technology, we toiled in the fields for their food, we worked in textile factories to provide them with clothes, we built their homes, we mined mineral resources, and so on. Those with large stockpiles of [imaginary] money might think robots belong to themselves but they can blow such mental deficiencies out of their trousers. Our ancestors generally worked to make a better life for all of us. The gates to a Golden Age of Leisure are still there open to us but the illegitimate Money Power is trying hard to squeeze them shut thereby trapping us into these banksters wet dream of permanently enslaving all of us.
The megalomaniacs have gone further than that these days. Stress is a killer and I believe it has been weaponized as a very useful tool to help attain depopulation à la WEF. Stress is never mentioned on death certificates. It stultifies, weakens, & renders us sickly & wide open to an early death from a variety of preventative causes. Corporate media pumps up stress from every possible direction. I'm relatively immune since, apart from references in social media, I don't partake of any offerings from TV or the wireless. In fact I'm becoming steadily more acquainted with *my* own mind. So please don't do what I say but do as I do. With maximum catharsis, throw your TV away & start your new life where you are much more in charge! Bon voyage!
A duel FU to the empire, cut the ComCast cable. Save that money and invest in Caitlin and like minded writers/podcasters. It's like being on holiday : )
In my experience, anarcho-capitalists overwhelmingly emphasize capitalism, not anarchism. This is easy to prove: Just put one in charge of a business or project—which seems to be their goal in life—and you will find that the line separating an anarcho-capitalist from becoming a tyrant (aka “murderous pschopathic asshole”) is razor thin. I tend to be skeptical of hyphenated ideologies. For example, Neo-liberalism…which, btw, is based on the illusion that anarcho-capitalism is a form of anarchism.
I disagree somewhat. The overwhelming desire of most of the anarcho-capitalists I have encountered on the Net (going back in USENET days, the 1980s) is not to found a business or make a profit or be an asshole, but to post on social media copying tedious unimaginative pro-capitalist rhetoric.
The poor are even worse off now than when Feudalism was the system of choice by the assholes in charge. Why, you might ask? Well back a number of centuries ago, it was a commonly held belief under Feudalism that your class was your Fate, born a Serf or born an Aristocrat, this was not something you were held responsible for - and thus poverty was not something you necessarily need be ashamed about - it was simply preordained for you.
But in today's world, not only if you are poor you carry the burden of soul crushing poverty, but you are then blamed for your own poverty - and you are meant to believe the system and the assholes in charge have no hand in your poverty. We are all to believe in the meritocracy myth of the Capitalists and Warmongers in charge.
Start liking it. If The Iron Law Of Oligarchy has any truth in it, we're just reverting to the mean, and today's oligarchs have tools that would make Ivy Lee or Goebbels weep hot salty pony tears of envy.
Success is waking up to a new day and looking forward to acting, not in a theatrical sense but in a doing sense (though contributing to performing a play would be just fine and dandy).
What can I do today that makes me feel good, which helps those around me, which contributes to the communities in which I live? Know also that the more you do this not only the better you feel but the more you inspire others to find their own joy and validity in similar actions. Its a feedback loop of love and it starts with the smallest of things.
Hold a door open for someone. Pick up something that an old or injured person has dropped. Thank someone for the smallest kindness. Smile.
I'm very playfully serious about smiling. It is the most natural and trivial of things and it speads joy. Hey, why not make a game of it? For one week count the number of smiles you get each day from persons you do not know. Just the smallest of positive reponses counts, for you have suceeded is spreading happiness. Can you get two? Or, heaven forfend, THREE smiles from strangers in a day!
Now, if while reading this you had a little smile, dont click the heart button. Instead, create a smile in a stranger. Approach the activiity like a child; its not a mission, its a game for the fun of it.
Well said. I've said it many times. It's amazing that any of us are still walking around and functioning to whatever degree, considering the craziness and stress happening. It's a testament to our strength and resilience and power, which power we can further use to make changes in our lives and society. I read this heroic story of a prisoner-of-war dog, Judy, inspiring. https://nmwdm.org.uk/dogs/judy/. We are all heroes for living a life on this planet.
All societies, but the most primitive, are ruled by an elite minority, including the so-called Western democracy. The only question is what kind of elite they are and how they stay in power.
A man named Krishnamurti daid: “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
I couldn't agree more.
Said.
“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.”
― Jiddu Krishnamurti
If more of us paid attention to Krishnamurti we'd be living in the world Caitlin says is ours for claiming if only we'd awaken to it. He could have liberated the world in ways probably no other human ever could have. OK, there have been others, but they've all been saying pretty much the same things. David Bohm, for one. But few give a damn.
I also feel that the trend of modern humans to embrace anthropocentric worldviews is in large part responsible for the depravity, desolation, mass destruction and generally empty existence that most humans are involved with today.
https://gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/the-rise-of-anthropocentrism-bright
The "K" man has much of value to say.
Krishnamurtis is daid? I didn't even know he'd been sick. Just kidding. {/spelling police.}
People also unwittingly make it harder on themselves by paying ANY attention at all to the MSM.
People would be MUCH better served looking at what's behind the MSM, like reading up on Edward Bernays for example. Or Rockefeller and how he coopted the medical industry and squelched nutriceuticals and natural health.
Or who the Central Banking Cabal are. But I've found that people would rather pollute their minds with crap on the Lobotomy Box than actually educate themselves, which requires more effort than just plopping down with a bunch of crap food and clicking the remote.
That's a choice however.
I tell people all the time, the reason why history seems to be so boring as they teach it, is because it's false, and therefore it is boring and quite often even contradictory. That if they knew and understood real history, then it would invigorate them, but at the same time it would anger then to action.
Back to Edward Bernays, ... there's a reason why it's called Propaganda and why that's what passes as education.
History: Asshole The Great rules. There's a war, then some other asshole rules. Snore.
Bernays was Zionist sponsored and controlled by Rockefeller in the U.S.
EXACTLY! Thank you Ms. Johnstone!
Speaking of Propaganda, most people don't realize that in 2013, the US passed a law " Extending Radio Free Europe to cover the Western Hemisphere". Radio Free Europe was a CIA Propaganda ops.
This is how the MSM wrote it ---but in Reality it read - " We the USGov now have the right to use Propaganda - Against the Citizens of the USA" signed by B Obama in 2013. At Midnight most likely. And they weren't joking around because as long as the MSM gets their news from the USGov. they can't be sued for the BS content. Sabe' ?
What does a person do when they realize the world they've been living in is insane? It's like growing up in an insane asylum being told by everyone, and believing, it's the normalist of all worlds, only to realize as you navigate it how deranged it all is. It's disconcerting to discover that those few remaining endangered societies that more closely adhere to the real normal (human evolution before it was roped-off and pepper-sprayed) are the ones being systematically destroyed by the ruling lunatics of your own society. It's a bitter pill; disorienting and isolating. Yet this gnawing unease is the norm for Western society, so that people don't see it as a sickness, as an illness that needs curing. Instead, we're told that more of the disease is the cure. Any happiness to be found in such a context has to be based on lies, gullibility and profound ignorance by those still refusing to question it, or by mental and/or physical withdrawal. Perhaps this malaise of awakening is what King Solomon had in mind when he said, "With much knowledge comes much sorrow". The only thing remaining for those traumatized from this rude awakening is to find kindred spirits, close ranks, and comfort each other while working for change, and making your own corner of existence as livable as possible without the internecine squabbling over pedantic trifles (the favorite pastime of liberals).
Thank you for your comment, but the fact that I'm here having this discussion strongly suggests that I consider life still worth living; I never thought it wasn't. I find comfort in the small life of loving family, a few friends, pets and the immediacy of everyday things.
And yes, humor is essential, especially in trying times.
That said, the idea that humans were always slaves and tyrants has been thoroughly debunked (there was never proof of that theory to begin with). It was the advent of totalitarian agriculture around 10-thousand-years-ago that gave rise to oppressive leaders and systems.
Peace to you and yours. :)
By "totalitarian agriculture" I mean the near total dependence on farming for the feeding of civilizations vs. earlier hunter/forager societies. Nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes didn't have the luxury of stockpiling possessions or foodstuffs because they were regularly on the move, following the herds and seasonal flora. Thus, there wasn't the need for totalitarian rule by the leader or elders. As one Native American Chief (I can't remember which) responded when Indian chiefs were compared to white leaders "If I made my braves do things they didn't want to do, I wouldn't be chief for long." Even in the settled traditional Native American tribes and other indigenous communities, wealth and power were, and remain, much more evenly distributed than in any civilization.
Making your own beer, what more do you need? lol. ;)
The old saw, liberally indulged in by psychiatrists and psychologists was that if you didn't "fit in" to society, the obvious conclusion was there was something wrong with you: there couldn't possibly be something wrong with society. That was assumed to be obvious. What was obvious but ignored was that it represented vested interests, and the establishment. They were all obviously accessories before and after the fact. Modernity has its drawbacks, but skepticism isn't one of them.
Skepticism is the antidote to modernity.
It's the antidote to all kinds of bullshit - but modernity is just the accumulation of at least 2000 years of stupid, cruel thinking and unworkable, destructive ideas. And some people think the problem is anti-traditionalism. And they're feted and celebrated for that stance.
Well, _some_ people believe in it!
This is what Marx said would happen to capitalism - the worker's conditions would get worse and worse and real wages would go down and down - a revolution would be inevitable and a state were the proles owed the means of production would ensue- perhaps with a bit of class consciousness and awareness practice of the workers own subjugation from Luxemburg and a bit of violence from Lenin thrown in.
The means of production would now involve us all owning robots and the algorithm?
That is a real question and the answer was needed 20 yrs. ago. The more you read Marx the future is revealed. The scary thing to me, nuclear war seems to be the population control of choice by all political parties of the NATO nations. Truly Creative Destruction the necessary evil of Capitalism.
The answer to the question is that WE own these robots. They are part of our common cultural inheritance. While hordes of boffins through the ages worked on technology, we toiled in the fields for their food, we worked in textile factories to provide them with clothes, we built their homes, we mined mineral resources, and so on. Those with large stockpiles of [imaginary] money might think robots belong to themselves but they can blow such mental deficiencies out of their trousers. Our ancestors generally worked to make a better life for all of us. The gates to a Golden Age of Leisure are still there open to us but the illegitimate Money Power is trying hard to squeeze them shut thereby trapping us into these banksters wet dream of permanently enslaving all of us.
We should AT LEAST own Chat GBT, it’s pulling its inventory from all of us as it is!
I've never heard of it, but I think I get your meaning!
" Imprison the fifty richest bankers and there will be no more war on Earth. Henry Ford "
Ford should have ended to quote with, " and me"
I laughed out loud four or five times. Bravo. I feel so much better just from that five minutes.
The megalomaniacs have gone further than that these days. Stress is a killer and I believe it has been weaponized as a very useful tool to help attain depopulation à la WEF. Stress is never mentioned on death certificates. It stultifies, weakens, & renders us sickly & wide open to an early death from a variety of preventative causes. Corporate media pumps up stress from every possible direction. I'm relatively immune since, apart from references in social media, I don't partake of any offerings from TV or the wireless. In fact I'm becoming steadily more acquainted with *my* own mind. So please don't do what I say but do as I do. With maximum catharsis, throw your TV away & start your new life where you are much more in charge! Bon voyage!
A duel FU to the empire, cut the ComCast cable. Save that money and invest in Caitlin and like minded writers/podcasters. It's like being on holiday : )
Eliminate the assholes and rule oneself with anarcho-capitalism!
In my experience, anarcho-capitalists overwhelmingly emphasize capitalism, not anarchism. This is easy to prove: Just put one in charge of a business or project—which seems to be their goal in life—and you will find that the line separating an anarcho-capitalist from becoming a tyrant (aka “murderous pschopathic asshole”) is razor thin. I tend to be skeptical of hyphenated ideologies. For example, Neo-liberalism…which, btw, is based on the illusion that anarcho-capitalism is a form of anarchism.
I disagree somewhat. The overwhelming desire of most of the anarcho-capitalists I have encountered on the Net (going back in USENET days, the 1980s) is not to found a business or make a profit or be an asshole, but to post on social media copying tedious unimaginative pro-capitalist rhetoric.
The poor are even worse off now than when Feudalism was the system of choice by the assholes in charge. Why, you might ask? Well back a number of centuries ago, it was a commonly held belief under Feudalism that your class was your Fate, born a Serf or born an Aristocrat, this was not something you were held responsible for - and thus poverty was not something you necessarily need be ashamed about - it was simply preordained for you.
But in today's world, not only if you are poor you carry the burden of soul crushing poverty, but you are then blamed for your own poverty - and you are meant to believe the system and the assholes in charge have no hand in your poverty. We are all to believe in the meritocracy myth of the Capitalists and Warmongers in charge.
Poverty is the worst form of violence. Ghandi.
Gandhi
You guys a tag team here?
Start liking it. If The Iron Law Of Oligarchy has any truth in it, we're just reverting to the mean, and today's oligarchs have tools that would make Ivy Lee or Goebbels weep hot salty pony tears of envy.
Success is waking up to a new day and looking forward to acting, not in a theatrical sense but in a doing sense (though contributing to performing a play would be just fine and dandy).
What can I do today that makes me feel good, which helps those around me, which contributes to the communities in which I live? Know also that the more you do this not only the better you feel but the more you inspire others to find their own joy and validity in similar actions. Its a feedback loop of love and it starts with the smallest of things.
Hold a door open for someone. Pick up something that an old or injured person has dropped. Thank someone for the smallest kindness. Smile.
I'm very playfully serious about smiling. It is the most natural and trivial of things and it speads joy. Hey, why not make a game of it? For one week count the number of smiles you get each day from persons you do not know. Just the smallest of positive reponses counts, for you have suceeded is spreading happiness. Can you get two? Or, heaven forfend, THREE smiles from strangers in a day!
Now, if while reading this you had a little smile, dont click the heart button. Instead, create a smile in a stranger. Approach the activiity like a child; its not a mission, its a game for the fun of it.
Well said. I've said it many times. It's amazing that any of us are still walking around and functioning to whatever degree, considering the craziness and stress happening. It's a testament to our strength and resilience and power, which power we can further use to make changes in our lives and society. I read this heroic story of a prisoner-of-war dog, Judy, inspiring. https://nmwdm.org.uk/dogs/judy/. We are all heroes for living a life on this planet.
All societies, but the most primitive, are ruled by an elite minority, including the so-called Western democracy. The only question is what kind of elite they are and how they stay in power.