Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley): You have already taken a side on Israel-Palestine. Whether you know it or not. Whether you admit it or not. You have either consciously chosen to side with the people who are being continually massacred by Israel, or you have consciously chosen to side with Israel, or you have sided with Israel by being “neutral”, or you have sided with Israel by being indifferent.
Hamas has been used by Israel at leat twice before.
Jordan and Egypt warned Israel this was coming at leat 2-3 months before.
Israel is SUPPOSED to have the best intelligence/security system in the world. SO please answer me.........how did Hamas find it so easy to 'gate crash' this system?
When you can answer this and read more I am willing to discuss more.
Then you come out with this comment: "Orthodox who refuse military service."
You are in a way correct but they do not 'refuse' military service they are exempt. Why?
What I wonder is, given that Israel has been supporting Hamas, was Oct 7th an Israeli-inspired/sponsored event, where (maybe) the marks caught on, & went off-script? A la the many FBI-created terror "plots"? A la (maybe) the Boston Marathon bombing?
I.e., it was meant to be a pretext to do exactly what they are doing, but ended up worse than they imagined? (Or did it? - With the psychopaths that run things, maybe they DID intend it to go that way? )
Jenny, Read/watch the link. OK: some are "exempt", as per their religion, which they created. How clever to be exempt from defending/ serving the country that provides the whole population of Large families, (that vote!), 1st class services and security. Such a deal.
So don't. Anyone who thinks they can get away with saying 'Oct 7 has forced Israel to deal with a problem they have tried to avoid'.. and get no pushback, is not dealing with reality.
There is a very big difference between pictures in isolation, and pictures that have an pre-existing, well crafted story attached to them. We may not like that the world is this way, but it is this way.
No it isn't. The majority of the world is against genocide. The level of psychopathy Genocide Joe and the leaders of Western world are currently engaged in is not normal, and please don't try to make it normal. The world is not this way - this genocide is being forced upon the world and the Palestinian people - most of whom are innocent victims - many of them children who never got a chance to live their lives.
I agree insofar, as we have to thank the internet and alternative media for the information (if you want to see it). But unfortunately the rules based intern order is always BLIND on the other eye (worthy and unworthy victims). There were a few more genocides that DID not get any attention (the UN did not give a damn either - just read the book by Edward S Herman & David Peterson 'The Politics of Genocide' it is appalling what WE HUMANS DO TO others! )
I've always found it quite curious why this one particular instance of mass killing/"genocide" gets so much more attention than the others, to the degree that the joke "One is Never Forget, all others are Always and Only Forget" (something like that anyways) actually matches reality quite well.
My theory is that the cause is this (and a few other things):
> The illusory truth effect (also known as the illusion of truth effect, validity effect, truth effect, or the reiteration effect) is the tendency to believe false information to be correct after repeated exposure.
I like this theory because it can explain the strange behavior of humans on both sides of most any disagreement, like the spectacle on display in this comment section.
You have made the mistake of thinking that the reality you live in is the same as the reality other people live in. Your perspective is correct when it comes to the universe, but not when it comes to reality.
We have been taught a misleading model of reality, that's why it is so easy to lead people around like sheep, the very thing you people complain about constantly.
"Indirection fundamental to reality " needs clarification..
Is this just a bit of creative jargon?
We have whole Queens English dictionaries to help understand language and in it it gives descriptive narrations and examples to help that along.. Mind you it was compiled by a madman in an institution pulled from Shakespeare who made up all kinds of bull shit phrases too.
"You have made the mistake of thinking that the reality you live in is the same as the reality other people live in."
The very meaning of reality is the state of things as they exist. There is only one reality. People may have an idealistic or contrived view of the state of things, but that does not constitute reality.
People in different circumstances may interpret the same set of events in a different manner depending on their gender, geography, skin colour, economic status, age, or any other number of factors. It is all the same reality but with a different meaning for different people.
you said "People may have an idealistic or contrived view of the state of things" but your descriptions seem to me to be saying that those was of seeing reality are incorrect. I think that people's interpretations are probably based on how the events in question affect them and that their interpretations may not at all be based on anything idealistic or contrived. Just on how those events affect their lives. I think the problems arise when people fail to see that the affects on the lives of others are different than the affects on themselves.
As agree there are people that insist gods are a reality and anyone countering that is living in fantasy when i see that as the exact opposite of a "reality"
Try this for five seconds - put yourself in their shoes, the shoes of a mother whose child has been murdered, a father who lost his whole family, a child who will never see her parents again, all of them starving - and then read your own comment. How does it feel when you flip your “reality”? If you don’t feel anything your reality is behind your eyes.
Behind the eyes is indeed where each person's reality fundamentally comes from, we agree on that. For example, what "would" happen (and why, and what proposition that proves, or what conclusions can be drawn from it, etc) in your thought experiment above.
My curiosity is about why you people insist on acting the way you do.
Deflection is your reality. Do not cry when they come for you, and they will. Perhaps you’ll be long gone, but they will come for your kids or their kids. And if that doesn’t bother you, that is your reality. Or perhaps you are one of them…
I think Mr Two fingers is trying to point out the problem of the filters in-between what people think believe and see... how ones reality can be skewed and they insist only their perceptions of reality are the "truth"
Well, as you said - "johnnytwofingers" is doing a really bad job of making sense. You were able to explain it simply ->"how ones reality can be skewed and they insist only their perceptions of reality are the truth". But apparently Mr. Two fingers struggles with basic human communication in terms of his ideas, and tries to hide it with his psychobabble, philosobabble, and pseudo-intellectualism.
> The problem is not that there are different realities—reality is reality. The problem is how people perceive, process or deny reality.
Do you believe that people "incorrectly" perceiving "reality" (and the subsequent downstream events and consequences) is somehow not a part of reality?
Take your "objective" opinion here on "reality", do you honestly think you've solved a conundrum that thousands of the deepest thinkers for centuries have tried to unravel for centuries?
The idea israel trying to avoid civilian casualties is another of the many grand lies Zionists they tell along with the feted propaganda rags like news week under their thumb...Or like the biggest one " a land without a people"
basically you purposefully consume copious amounts of well curated main stream propaganda to cover up for the tribe like you are tasting the best of your favorite flavored Jim Jones fruit punch available..
For sure a psycopath probably sees the world differently to more average human beings. And it may benefit society to understand how they see it and why. However, whatever the cause, their psycopathic behaviour needs to be recognised....and stopped, for society to function more harmoniously.
CRIMINALLY DEPRAVED SADO MASOCHISTS, and their Perpetual HumanSacrifice to MY PERSONAL PROFITS Political Handlers, MUST NEVER EVER be permitted to evade Prosecution and Maximum Supervision Imprisonment for a preferred Psychiatric Hospital Sentence, based on “recognition of their psychopathic behaviour” or “level of psychopathy” or “Insanity.” Their “Insanity” is no different than that of the PREMEDITATED CRIMINAL DEPRAVITY of other Historical Leaders Of Crimes Against Humanity and/or WAR CRIMES who were sentenced to Death in the Nuremberg Tribunal.
Show a human a picture, they will have a cognitive experience. Tell a human a persuasive story for decades, and then show them a horrible picture that is associated with that story, and they can have a very different (even opposite) cognitive experience.
> For sure a psycopath probably sees the world differently to more average human beings.
Skilfully practiced, it makes thinking clearly much easier.
> And it may benefit society to understand how they see it and why.
You are correct. You could even replace "may" with "would" and still be correct.
> However, whatever the cause, their psycopathic behaviour needs to be recognised....and stopped, for society to function more harmoniously.
And what of your and my sins? Do we get a free pass for some reason?
I am still not getting the point you are trying to make.
We have had an Israel narrative in the western world that has certainly not for the vast majority of people been so clearly associated with the horrific pictures we are seeing of their military in action. So, yes, the generally more benign attitude to them has been dramatically altered with the visuals coming out of Gaza.
As to 'our' sins we are all likely far from perfect, but a general rule to live harmoniously is to respect and not harm others and certainly not to commit massacres and atrocities on others
Caitlin, Tim, l appreciate hugely your honest and zero BS delivery of the truth. You never fail to inspire me. Since October 7th, it was plainly obvious to me that l would defend the Palestinian cause with all that l got. What l didn’t expect is so many people that would remain silent and disapproving of my stand on this genocide. I have lost people in my life since then but l have also gained new friends that care as much as l do for justice to be done.
A day doesn't pass me by that I wonder in a nation such as ours that there is daily whining over the smallest of injuries due to 'injustice' of all persuasions (especially personal injuries), house fires, auto wrecks, expressing outrage how horrible they all are, and cry over how terrible it all is that someone has to suffer. Then we send troops and drop bombs to kill people and destroy peoples homes by the thousands if not millions – including entire countries – that we don't even know...that haven't done one thing bad to us. Just who in the fuck kind of people are we?
Americans have been subject to a thick layer of opaque propaganda by Mass Media and their own government pretending it's a democracy - for decades now.
However, 100,000 Americans refused to vote for Genocide Joe Biden in Michigan. And the genocide in Gaza is not popular. So I believe Americans are slowly waking up to just how much they are being lied to by the billionaires who exploit them every day like serfs, and spend all their hard earned tax money on self-serving wars abroad.
Agreed. In the big scheme of things this whole Israel/Gaza mess (and Ukraine for that matter) might just be real game changers (in a positive way). But of course it ain't over...yet.
Your savoir Nettytheyahooc helped fund them as radical to try and destroy Palestine...most likely Mossad did October 7th and your IDF did the Hannibal directive to create the horrors you use to justify ethnic cleansing..
You are a deeply sick people.. And its clear that you have zero integrity honor or intellectual courage to know why that is even an important human trait to cultivate...you are tribal blind!
what are you going to do? call me a Nazi now too? is that the go to? or the antisemitism stuff you all knee jerk right into..sorry pal it lost all its purchase power from all your dishonest overuse so you might as well call people an umbrella at this point...
I think a decent argument could be made that Hamas' exploitation of the Palestinians was in this case a risky but very successful strategic move. Yes, it resulted in massive Palestinian casualties (as was easily predicted), but the massive gains in Western public mindset and allegiances should not be discounted!
As you correctly write, One is not obligated to 'take a side' in this Carnage. That said, there are consequences (moral & whatnot) to doing so. Primarily when wholesale Genocide & Ethnic Cleansing are occurring *LIVE* for all to see, it is clear what the result will be to this Slaughter:
The Destruction of the Antihuman, Apartheid Zionist Entity. & when that time comes, many individuals who proclaimed 'neutrality' will have to contend with their craven choices of the past.
> As you correctly write, One is not obligated to 'take a side' in this Carnage.
Depends what layers of reality you are taking into consideration. For example, many people do not have the ability to not take a side, similar to how they are not able to juggle: it is not an innate ability, it is difficult and thus requires practice, and it is not a behavioural norm in our culture (rather, the opposite is both the norm *and the recommendation from The Experts*, and this methodology is drilled into people's minds every single day in the media.)
> The Destruction of the Antihuman, Apartheid Zionist Entity. & when that time comes, many individuals who proclaimed 'neutrality' will have to contend with their craven choices of the past.
Sure...but most (Western) people benefit greatly from being uninformed or misinformed, at least on this matter.
Sorry to disappoint you, Bob, but none of my Muslim neighbors have tried to "ethnically cleanse" me yet. The only people who have ever threatened my well-being were self-professed "Christians." Therefore, I should assume that "Christian countries" are the most dangerous on the planet.
I think that when people choose to be "neutral" on this issue, they are trying to show what "fairminded" "nonjudgemental" people they are. Also, they may know people who are zionist and they are afraid of being called "antisemitic".
I think Aaron Bushnell's sacrifice may have awakened some of us a bit more to the idea that maybe we need to be a bit braver, and risk more - because we are witness to a genocide chosen by the leaders of the countries we live in. Not that I condone suicide - as I wish Aaron had protested in some other forceful way without taking his own life. But it is what it is. :(
Yes, people are afraid of the consequences because the consequences can be very real: Losing one's job and therefore unable to feed your family, losing one's academic reputation - being jailed or beaten etc. Being ostracized ...
You are so right! Aaron Bushnell is calling us all out! To that end, I bought a Palestinian flag and hung it from the window; my wife came down saw it and removed it and hid it. When I asked her about it she ignored me and it was going to become a row she said she was scared and would give me money to donate. I think we are in deep trouble.
The very fact the Zionist have a stranglehold on the economic reality's of the west and use that as a means to cancel others is the clearest form of fascism i have ever seen ,,
But to even hint of this is to have the scarlet letter "A" accusations pined to your own lapel.
I was thinking of getting my social security number tattooed onto my forearm like they did to prisoners of world war two but i think it might be a little too soon for that..
It's interesting, because what you're going through - and many others are going through - is probably the same as a number of Germans went through who did not agree with the Nazi ideology at the time under Hitler, but remained quiet.
It's frightening because the consequences to your livelihood and well-being can be severe. But that's what fascism is all about: fear and terror.
My great grandfather died in that war.. My family is basically a product of war and that has come with a host of dysfunctions burned into it.. I probably would not even exist if it was not for war though despite my hate of it... Or i could be a drunk German on an October fest binge! HA! instead of a french and German american mutt..
> But to even hint of this is to have the scarlet letter "A" accusations pined to your own lapel.
I always recommend we focus our energies on subtle, sub-perceptual but fundamental phenomena like these, rather than endlessly engaging in Meme Magic like in this thread.
Trying to decipher your somewhat cryptic form of expressing yourself (and we all deserve the right to do that as we see fit) but I now have to guess the meaning of meme magic as I have never encountered the term before and must think it must be a tad facisious or sarcastic (guilty of this myself occasionally) and interperate it to mean "fantasy posting" for lack of a clearer discription of my guesswork.
So with that in mind I can conclude my interest in dealing with the economic reality of the small hat mafia banking cartels control of the money supply and economic reality most people now find themselves imprisoned by and any meantion of this "fact" will be met with the current mental kryptonite weapon weilded at us for pointing out the enporors are butt ass nakid.
If I see a rock it's a fucking rock..even though I know it's made up of a collection of chemical and atomic structures for all practical purposes I can still use it to bash a skull in if need be in the moment.
The naive one might not ever see it coming.
Back to its all theory till your face smashes off.
Aaron made the ultimate sacrifice: his life. Perhaps if others (particularly our Dear Leaders, The Experts, The Adults in the Room, etc) had been able to make the second place ultimate sacrifice, exerting control over their own minds, he wouldn't have felt it necessary to make that sacrifice, because we wouldn't once again have thousands of Muslims dying at the hands of delusional Westerners.
I don't believe in self-inflicted Martyrdom. Never have and never will. To negate life in order to affirm life I find lacks wisdom. Violence begets violence, including violence against oneself. Should a thousand more of us now kill ourselves as the "heroic" action to take? For some, simply staying alive and affirming life despite the horror of it - is the authentic act of heroism.
Aaron Bushnell could have protested forcefully in many ways. Killing himself I am of the opinion was not what he should have done, nor do I see it as divine or holy as Chris Hedges recently argued - divinity lies in affirming life - and I do not see self-murder as affirming life, and it sets a poor example for those who may also believe killing themselves is a good idea and honorable. Killing oneself is not something Jesus Christ would have advocated for - and this is my answer to Chris Hedges. One can be honorable and care about the world without killing themselves - and it's nonsense that people seem to think this was Aaron's only valid, or best choice to protest forcefully. It wasn't (in my opinion).
We who see our own control of our own life as a solverain right may chose to self murder in order to free our self from lifes pain.
Terminial ill people may.. Emotional destrote may wish to.
I agree with you about life..I find suicide to be a selfish act but in this case it was the opposite in that Arins "pain" may have been his empathy and be life that commpelled him to protest in the most profound (to him) way.
When everything he beloved and belived turned out to be a lie, he could not bare it.
He was the property of the state who murdered and comitted genocide.
Against all he held dear.
He chose to leave us as a statement that life was not worth living under these conditions. And a clear protest against the state he served under.
Maybe all military men should do it and then we can know peace...
Are you listening IDF
you too CIA and Mossad...off yourselves you fucking psycopaths.
> I don't believe in Martyrdom. Never have and never will.
Do you care whether it is true that martyrdom has no positive utility, ever?
> To negate life in order to affirm life I find lacks wisdom.
I find Meme Magic like this to lack wisdom.
> Violence begets violence...
Violence also begets peace.
> Should a thousand more of us now kill ourselves as the "heroic" action to take?
It's a good question, and I can think of many useful variations on it.
Can you think of many useful variations on it, Jamenta?
> Aaron Bushnell could have protested forcefully in many ways.
You too could choose more optimal behaviors...and yet, here you are.
> One can be honorable and care about the world without killing themselves....
In some cases sure, but in this case do you actually have (in fact) the means to accurately determine what is and is not "honorable " (whatever that symbol means, in all of its variations)?
> and it's nonsense that people seem to think this was Aaron's only valid, or best choice to protest forcefully. It wasn't (in my opinion).
Did you notice that you revealed you were expressing your opinion in the second part, but stated your opinion as a fact in the first part?
For some, simply staying alive and affirming life despite the horror of it - is the authentic act of heroism. And what Christian Faith is really about. The Christian Crusades was never authentically Christian whatsoever. Christian Martyrdom was not about murdering oneself. Yes, Christians allowed others to kill them - at least certain versions of Christian sects - since there's been historically quite a few - but fundamentally, one is suppose to affirm life by living it despite the horrors "God" makes one endure.
Well you just showed what side you’re on. People who protest against Israel slaughter aren’t pro Hamas and there is no evidence that they are threatening Jews. Why do Israel supporters have to make 💩up…
If you observe carefully, you may be able to notice that all humans are this way. The root problem is *culture*, modern day Western culture *insists* on speaking inaccurately and untruthfully, we are instructed to do so by our parents, in school, by the media, *even by scientists*!
Oh my fuckin’ god n sonny Jesus…Jamenta lives in >gasp< IDAHO! And we all know that every single soul residing in IDAHO is a card-carrying member of the Nazi party, correct, Bobby-Boy?
Yet you seem to enjoy bragging about boating and skiing there. WHAT were you thinking, subjecting yourself to the presence of all those goose-steppers?!
Your pseudo-intellectualism and boasting of your vacations (to IDAHO, no less!) are boring as fuck. You are bonafide shit-for-brains. GTFOH.
Bob you make a lot of assumptions and stretches to accuse people of stuff by innuendo "It is known as America's Nazi capital, and this is where Jamenta lives. "
Utter nonsense. I’m sure that you can provide evidence of that? Idaho isn’t much different than Utah and there are no Nazis running around creating havoc. I know all those places too and I’ve seen no nazis there. This is right out of the Hillary Russia Russia playbook.
You and Russian bot seem to like to call everyone you don't agree with Nazis ...you goose step that accusation faster than any German i have every known..
? What you cant find the thread where you say Sieg Heil at people ?? think you are the one lying here... Of course you have a past reputation of denying your own bad behavior and lying about it... Ah that intellectual cowardice you consistently display though. cant ever look at the mirror huh? the abyss of your soul might stare back at you
Fuckhead, listen closely. The ones who received and will continue receiving "sieg Heil" and "Heil Hitler" are those who expressed their love for Hitler and/or his treatment of Jews. Namely:
- Pete Schult (aka Ernesto Che, Terry Byrne, Klaus Hubbertz)
- ChazLB (aka Jazzy Cunt)
- gypsy33
The above list only, fuckhead, get it? You lying cunt 🤣💋🤡
The majority of Zionists are NOT Jewish. Many Jews are fiercely protesting this barbaric Genocide. Being "fairminded" on Genocide is a symptom of a serious mental disorder. If a Zionist calls someone anti-Semitic there are many possible responses, but I will refrain from using that language here.
At some point - you do have to make "judgements" and stick by them and suffer the consequences. For example, the idiots who told us to vote for Joe Biden because, you know the Lesser of Two Evils nonsense. They refused to listen to people who had been fans of theirs for years. So once someone tells you who they are, you believe them. I don't care if you're Steven Spielberg himself - who is a scumbag for not speaking out more regarding this ongoing atrocity in GAZA. And I don't give a damn how famous you are and what you may think of me for not voting for Genocide Joe Biden - LIKE SPIELBERG DID. What matters to me is my own opinion of myself - not someone stupid enough to have voted for this genocidal POS that is now president - who is the perfect senile symbol of an obscenely corrupt democratic party.
Over 400 Jews, many of them rabbis, were arrested at Grand Central Station. Thousands can be seen marching in DC and around the world. Check out Jewish Voice for Peace, founded by Holocaust survivors. Mondoweiss, The Gray Zone, and on and on...
You may not see coverage of Jews against Genocide on CNN 🤪 but it's still happening - and as Netanyahu continues to slaughter thousands of women and children, it will only increase.
You stated that there aren't many Jews protesting. I supplied you with links proving that there ARE many Jews protesting. You want precise information on the affects that these protests are having? Their protests have proven that not all anti-Genocide protesters are pro-Hamas. It makes it difficult for the MSM and politicians to dismiss the protests. Are you dismissing the value of having Jews publicly fighting Israel? You want a precise "success" number value attached to each protest by Jews? The success cannot easily be measured in hard numbers - as is the case with most protests. If you believe that anti-Genocide protesters are making a difference, how could you not understand that having Jews joining in supports whatever effect the protests are having? If you don't believe that anti-Genocide protests have any affect, that's your opinion and I can't change it! I'm not about to tell my Jewish friends to stop protesting because you can't see precise proof that they are making a difference. In the meantime I'll keep supporting BDS. You and I are against this Genocide. That makes you my ally, which is really all I care about. We are fighting a brutal, powerful enemy and we need all the help we can get!
> I think that when people choose to be "neutral" on this issue, they are trying to show what "fairminded" "nonjudgemental" people they are. Also, they may know people who are zionist and they are afraid of being called "antisemitic".
Reviewing the thread, I had some more thoughts on this. Earlier I said "Super important point", and I continue to agree with that, but I wanted to ask: do you think it is not possible (in fact) to achieve a ~neutral state of mind based on sound reasoning?
I ask this question with the seriousness that this state of affairs (thousands of ~innocent people being slaughtered) deserves.
How does putting "in fact" actualy help "cognition" when most people believe the bull shit they do is a "fact"?
Most people go around saying (or shouting ) I'm dealing in FACT while exclaiming it with great emotive convictions to better sell it when none of it is actual fact at all and just opinion. ~ super cognition
If I am chalanged and except such chalange at all ..many people have came at me before in my experiences using the term facts as in "I know the facts ,or I'm dealing in "facts"".
When what they believe in is just someone else's second hand opinion or propaganda ...
Clear now?
Of course this is my learned "opinion" based on experience and statistical analysis of the trend.
Indifference is what makes it possible for monsters to exist. Looking away or closing your eyes does not make them go away. This is real. https://youtu.be/dP808Qc9lgM
I don't like the "taking a side" thing, but if not taking a side means to support these atrocities, you'd better rethink where you want to stand.
I have believed from very early in this massacre that Israel is all lies. Hamas is not the monster; the IDF is. I recommend https://www.aljazeera.com/ for facts. I get it on my TV here in Mexico, it's worldwide.
I didn't believe the "systematic rape" story, not because I had evidence, because it just didn't make sense. The IDF is reincarnated Nazis.
Yes the systematic rape was debunked, primarily by a well-done journalistic investigation by Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate from the Grayzone - followed up by other Independent news sources that used the Grayzone's work and then barely gave them credit for their work- which I found pretty unethical. This includes Amy Goodman from Democracy Now and Ryan Grim and The Intercept, among others.
People still believe it. The NY Times article made me question my belief that the rape accusation was bullshit. But, is WAS. And, The NY Times still stands behind their "reporting". It's so discouraging to see Israel is getting away with hundreds/thousands of war crimes. Taking advantage of "good people's" fear of being labeled antisemitic and gosh: remember that Holocaust!
Just watching a few minutes of Al Jazeera every day - reminds me of what this is really all about. Murderous killing of human beings who are not animals. We are all now witnesses to a level of slaughter and barbarity equal to the Nazi depravity in WWII - and this is not an exaggeration. :(
The NY Times is just a propaganda wing of the Elites - the obscenely wealthy who are the puppet masters of senile Joe Biden, and the rest of the corrupt politicians and den of thieves who occupy Washington DC right now.
... and the weaponization, not of rape itself (the act) but of *lies* about rape, is an insult to every real survivor, a threat to every future one -- "fake rape" discredits real rape. And it's not survivors who are faking rape, but the violent, fascist government of Israel.
Likewise the use of disingenuous charges of anti-semitism far and wide by the same perps. Discredits the real antisemitism -- words and deeds - of white supremacists and fascists, the real, sworn enemies of Jews, women, immigrants, people of color, queers everywhere -- i.e., the majority of the planet's people(s). It's vile abuse of the opporessed.
Some good news, "UNITED NATIONS: Nicaragua initiated proceedings against Germany at the United Nation's top court, the International Court of Justice at The Hague, claiming Germany "is facilitating the commission of genocide" by Israel against the Palestinian people in Gaza." Haaretz Saturday, 02.03.2024
Caitlin please write about canarymission.org a Zionist website with lots of donors which spies on primarily American students and academics, but other nationalities as well. Then it posts the photos of the students and a brief sentence or two about what they did. For example the student planned a walk out for Gaza ceasefire, etc. they do this to jeopardize the students’ post college job searches, graduate work, internships, etc. it is sickening and deserves more coverage. They also have a section on college faculty and professionals but the section on gen z is so mean spirited and disgusting. I live next to a small college town with 5 liberal arts colleges and know that it has targeted students to intimidate and silence them. Wtf is that?
Caitlin's timely reminder of whose side are we on. A brief reflection on the two sides should not leave any room for doubt. Like one warmonger threatened "You are with us or against us" in another theatre of war.
On one side is Israel the occupier, the aggressor, the killing machine bent on a genocide like no other, heartless and depraved and ruthless as to use starvation as a weapon. On the other side the occupied Palestinians, the oppressed, a people subjected to an onslaught of bombings, massacres, made homeless, destitute and starving and dying.
It is a simple equation. One of choosing between evil and compassion.
The question is, with the world as it is: a hegemonic empire and its vassal states aiding and abetting Israel in a genocide, and the other half looking on helpless and powerless - if our choosing to be with the oppressed will achieve anything for the Palestinians....
It is sickening. If you've seen the videos of Navalny marching with neo-nazis and calling people "cockroaches" you'd know that he's nothing close to being "heroic".
Not one person can avoid the pictures of dying humans and baby's unless you don't see or hear.
A lot of the comments I see on other sites: Israel is defending itself.
No it is NOT.
Look at the bloody images!
Defending itself? According to Scott Ritter, the Israelis are already building new settlements in Gaza.
You obviously did not read my comment properly!
Hamas, by their "stirring things up" on Oct 7 has forced Israel to deal with a problem they have tried to avoid: what about all the Orthodox who refuse military service but enjoy the perks of being an Israeli: https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2024/3/1/will-israels-ultra-orthodox-community-serve-in-its-military
Judith. I am a bit confused by your comment.
Hamas has been used by Israel at leat twice before.
Jordan and Egypt warned Israel this was coming at leat 2-3 months before.
Israel is SUPPOSED to have the best intelligence/security system in the world. SO please answer me.........how did Hamas find it so easy to 'gate crash' this system?
When you can answer this and read more I am willing to discuss more.
Then you come out with this comment: "Orthodox who refuse military service."
You are in a way correct but they do not 'refuse' military service they are exempt. Why?
What I wonder is, given that Israel has been supporting Hamas, was Oct 7th an Israeli-inspired/sponsored event, where (maybe) the marks caught on, & went off-script? A la the many FBI-created terror "plots"? A la (maybe) the Boston Marathon bombing?
I.e., it was meant to be a pretext to do exactly what they are doing, but ended up worse than they imagined? (Or did it? - With the psychopaths that run things, maybe they DID intend it to go that way? )
Can't trust humans. A very flawed animal.
Jenny, Read/watch the link. OK: some are "exempt", as per their religion, which they created. How clever to be exempt from defending/ serving the country that provides the whole population of Large families, (that vote!), 1st class services and security. Such a deal.
You, Jenny, didn't listen to the aljazeera video, did you?
Which one?
Link please.
I'm not your Mom. You could just read back...
but here you are: https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2024/3/1/will-israels-ultra-orthodox-community-serve-in-its-military
Everyone who has gotten their panties in a twist did NOT give it their time. it's about 45 minutes and not from anyone but informed Israeli academics.
.."tried to avoid"? 'TRIED TO AVOID"? Judith? are you joking?
You, VJC, did not listen to the aljazeers video either. One can't communicate with someone who grabs a few words and has no idea what they meant.
So don't. Anyone who thinks they can get away with saying 'Oct 7 has forced Israel to deal with a problem they have tried to avoid'.. and get no pushback, is not dealing with reality.
There is a very big difference between pictures in isolation, and pictures that have an pre-existing, well crafted story attached to them. We may not like that the world is this way, but it is this way.
No it isn't. The majority of the world is against genocide. The level of psychopathy Genocide Joe and the leaders of Western world are currently engaged in is not normal, and please don't try to make it normal. The world is not this way - this genocide is being forced upon the world and the Palestinian people - most of whom are innocent victims - many of them children who never got a chance to live their lives.
I agree insofar, as we have to thank the internet and alternative media for the information (if you want to see it). But unfortunately the rules based intern order is always BLIND on the other eye (worthy and unworthy victims). There were a few more genocides that DID not get any attention (the UN did not give a damn either - just read the book by Edward S Herman & David Peterson 'The Politics of Genocide' it is appalling what WE HUMANS DO TO others! )
Thanks for the book suggestion Elisabeth. It seems like an interesting read.
I've always found it quite curious why this one particular instance of mass killing/"genocide" gets so much more attention than the others, to the degree that the joke "One is Never Forget, all others are Always and Only Forget" (something like that anyways) actually matches reality quite well.
My theory is that the cause is this (and a few other things):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect
> The illusory truth effect (also known as the illusion of truth effect, validity effect, truth effect, or the reiteration effect) is the tendency to believe false information to be correct after repeated exposure.
I like this theory because it can explain the strange behavior of humans on both sides of most any disagreement, like the spectacle on display in this comment section.
Like the land without a people grand lie ?
If enough people believe a story, it becomes essentially/effectively true. If you don't believe me, just ask around.
one particular instance is being funded and enabled by nations whose citizens won't stand for it
You have made the mistake of thinking that the reality you live in is the same as the reality other people live in. Your perspective is correct when it comes to the universe, but not when it comes to reality.
We have been taught a misleading model of reality, that's why it is so easy to lead people around like sheep, the very thing you people complain about constantly.
I reject your nihilistic model of reality making genocide the norm. It isn't.
What you are rejecting is your model of my model.
What has been hidden from humans is the level of indirection fundamental to reality.
Yes I reject nihilism and I reject an open genocide. And I affirm there is good in the world that is worth fighting for.
> What has been hidden from humans is the level of indirection fundamental to reality.
What does that mean concretely?
"Indirection fundamental to reality " needs clarification..
Is this just a bit of creative jargon?
We have whole Queens English dictionaries to help understand language and in it it gives descriptive narrations and examples to help that along.. Mind you it was compiled by a madman in an institution pulled from Shakespeare who made up all kinds of bull shit phrases too.
Please elucidate us commoners!
"You have made the mistake of thinking that the reality you live in is the same as the reality other people live in."
The very meaning of reality is the state of things as they exist. There is only one reality. People may have an idealistic or contrived view of the state of things, but that does not constitute reality.
People in different circumstances may interpret the same set of events in a different manner depending on their gender, geography, skin colour, economic status, age, or any other number of factors. It is all the same reality but with a different meaning for different people.
you said "People may have an idealistic or contrived view of the state of things" but your descriptions seem to me to be saying that those was of seeing reality are incorrect. I think that people's interpretations are probably based on how the events in question affect them and that their interpretations may not at all be based on anything idealistic or contrived. Just on how those events affect their lives. I think the problems arise when people fail to see that the affects on the lives of others are different than the affects on themselves.
You did a poor job of restating what I wrote..
What was the purpose of your reply?
> It is all the same reality but with a different meaning for different people.
Is meaning *a part of* reality? (And if not: what is it a part of?)
As agree there are people that insist gods are a reality and anyone countering that is living in fantasy when i see that as the exact opposite of a "reality"
That you sincerely believe these things is evidence of my very point.
"That you sincerely believe these things is evidence of my very point."
Are you really that inane? I merely defined reality. You misused the word. You have no understanding of semantics...logic fails you.
You misunderstood my comment. I took no position on your intent, just your lack of semantics.
Try this for five seconds - put yourself in their shoes, the shoes of a mother whose child has been murdered, a father who lost his whole family, a child who will never see her parents again, all of them starving - and then read your own comment. How does it feel when you flip your “reality”? If you don’t feel anything your reality is behind your eyes.
Behind the eyes is indeed where each person's reality fundamentally comes from, we agree on that. For example, what "would" happen (and why, and what proposition that proves, or what conclusions can be drawn from it, etc) in your thought experiment above.
My curiosity is about why you people insist on acting the way you do.
Deflection is your reality. Do not cry when they come for you, and they will. Perhaps you’ll be long gone, but they will come for your kids or their kids. And if that doesn’t bother you, that is your reality. Or perhaps you are one of them…
johnnytwofingers: "you people"??? what are you then?
I am me.
you are one of "you people".
Ok, then what’s your model? What’s your take on this situation? Enlighten us
It is too complicated to get into, but it is largely derived from this:
https://plato.stanford.edu
The problem is not that there are different realities—reality is reality. The problem is how people perceive, process or deny reality.
I think Mr Two fingers is trying to point out the problem of the filters in-between what people think believe and see... how ones reality can be skewed and they insist only their perceptions of reality are the "truth"
Well, as you said - "johnnytwofingers" is doing a really bad job of making sense. You were able to explain it simply ->"how ones reality can be skewed and they insist only their perceptions of reality are the truth". But apparently Mr. Two fingers struggles with basic human communication in terms of his ideas, and tries to hide it with his psychobabble, philosobabble, and pseudo-intellectualism.
> The problem is not that there are different realities—reality is reality. The problem is how people perceive, process or deny reality.
Do you believe that people "incorrectly" perceiving "reality" (and the subsequent downstream events and consequences) is somehow not a part of reality?
Take your "objective" opinion here on "reality", do you honestly think you've solved a conundrum that thousands of the deepest thinkers for centuries have tried to unravel for centuries?
News week is a MSM propaganda rag that is a stenographer of the western imperial project,, nothing it says has any truth or validity
The idea israel trying to avoid civilian casualties is another of the many grand lies Zionists they tell along with the feted propaganda rags like news week under their thumb...Or like the biggest one " a land without a people"
Is it? Where is the proof it is, with 30,000 defenceless civilians, incl. children and babies slaughtered wantonly?
basically you purposefully consume copious amounts of well curated main stream propaganda to cover up for the tribe like you are tasting the best of your favorite flavored Jim Jones fruit punch available..
😂😂😂
I wont be clinking on that ridiculous MSM bull shit he posted either,,, just laugh at the absurdity of it.. Newsweek...lol *slap forehead*
https://youtube.com/shorts/71ap2sNaNxc?si=ie2Tb6lb2W-F05ou
?????
I do not understand the point if your comments.
For sure a psycopath probably sees the world differently to more average human beings. And it may benefit society to understand how they see it and why. However, whatever the cause, their psycopathic behaviour needs to be recognised....and stopped, for society to function more harmoniously.
CRIMINALLY DEPRAVED SADO MASOCHISTS, and their Perpetual HumanSacrifice to MY PERSONAL PROFITS Political Handlers, MUST NEVER EVER be permitted to evade Prosecution and Maximum Supervision Imprisonment for a preferred Psychiatric Hospital Sentence, based on “recognition of their psychopathic behaviour” or “level of psychopathy” or “Insanity.” Their “Insanity” is no different than that of the PREMEDITATED CRIMINAL DEPRAVITY of other Historical Leaders Of Crimes Against Humanity and/or WAR CRIMES who were sentenced to Death in the Nuremberg Tribunal.
Show a human a picture, they will have a cognitive experience. Tell a human a persuasive story for decades, and then show them a horrible picture that is associated with that story, and they can have a very different (even opposite) cognitive experience.
> For sure a psycopath probably sees the world differently to more average human beings.
Skilfully practiced, it makes thinking clearly much easier.
> And it may benefit society to understand how they see it and why.
You are correct. You could even replace "may" with "would" and still be correct.
> However, whatever the cause, their psycopathic behaviour needs to be recognised....and stopped, for society to function more harmoniously.
And what of your and my sins? Do we get a free pass for some reason?
SHow a picture then tell a false story and people will belive the picture proves the story..
Babies in incubators, (lie) ,,Powels vials of white baby powder waved around in congress..
the lie goes around the world before the truth gets its pants on etc
Someone's paying attention!
I am still not getting the point you are trying to make.
We have had an Israel narrative in the western world that has certainly not for the vast majority of people been so clearly associated with the horrific pictures we are seeing of their military in action. So, yes, the generally more benign attitude to them has been dramatically altered with the visuals coming out of Gaza.
As to 'our' sins we are all likely far from perfect, but a general rule to live harmoniously is to respect and not harm others and certainly not to commit massacres and atrocities on others
It's interesting how if you survey individuals directly, about themselves, there's little fault to be found, nothing important at least.
Are you implying we should not call out the butchering and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians Israeli government because we have faults???
Glad that did not apply to Hitler!
Do you deny that Izzi officials are admitting genocide?
"admitting" is a powerful word.
I have taken side, I stand with Humanity
Freedom peace and justice for Palestine
https://mywisdom.substack.com/p/light-on-a-genocide
Caitlin, Tim, l appreciate hugely your honest and zero BS delivery of the truth. You never fail to inspire me. Since October 7th, it was plainly obvious to me that l would defend the Palestinian cause with all that l got. What l didn’t expect is so many people that would remain silent and disapproving of my stand on this genocide. I have lost people in my life since then but l have also gained new friends that care as much as l do for justice to be done.
Keep up the good work 🕊️🇵🇸❤️
Beautiful, appreciative, no-nonsense comment. Thank you 🤲
I appreciate your hearts are in the right place, and that that matters....but man, the way you people use language is depressing. :(
A day doesn't pass me by that I wonder in a nation such as ours that there is daily whining over the smallest of injuries due to 'injustice' of all persuasions (especially personal injuries), house fires, auto wrecks, expressing outrage how horrible they all are, and cry over how terrible it all is that someone has to suffer. Then we send troops and drop bombs to kill people and destroy peoples homes by the thousands if not millions – including entire countries – that we don't even know...that haven't done one thing bad to us. Just who in the fuck kind of people are we?
Americans have been subject to a thick layer of opaque propaganda by Mass Media and their own government pretending it's a democracy - for decades now.
However, 100,000 Americans refused to vote for Genocide Joe Biden in Michigan. And the genocide in Gaza is not popular. So I believe Americans are slowly waking up to just how much they are being lied to by the billionaires who exploit them every day like serfs, and spend all their hard earned tax money on self-serving wars abroad.
Agreed. In the big scheme of things this whole Israel/Gaza mess (and Ukraine for that matter) might just be real game changers (in a positive way). But of course it ain't over...yet.
Your savoir Nettytheyahooc helped fund them as radical to try and destroy Palestine...most likely Mossad did October 7th and your IDF did the Hannibal directive to create the horrors you use to justify ethnic cleansing..
You are a deeply sick people.. And its clear that you have zero integrity honor or intellectual courage to know why that is even an important human trait to cultivate...you are tribal blind!
what are you going to do? call me a Nazi now too? is that the go to? or the antisemitism stuff you all knee jerk right into..sorry pal it lost all its purchase power from all your dishonest overuse so you might as well call people an umbrella at this point...
Oh i know clearly who and what you are talking about... you do too, you just are pretending you don't,, how Zionist of you.
Chaz, sounds like ha drank the Talmud Kool-Ade ( I thank an unidentified soul on Unz Review for that very apt term 😁)
You do know you are talking about your subconscious (thus sub-perceptual, thus "nonexistent") model of ChazLB, right?
Seems to me Chaz is talking about you, loud and very clear 😉
I think a decent argument could be made that Hamas' exploitation of the Palestinians was in this case a risky but very successful strategic move. Yes, it resulted in massive Palestinian casualties (as was easily predicted), but the massive gains in Western public mindset and allegiances should not be discounted!
> Sadly, no matter how Israel responds to Nazi terrorists the world will condemn her.
Indeed - but with sloppy ontological norms like this (did you even realize your error), are you surprised?
> It's always the Jew's fault even if they're fighting an organization that has a history that is on par with Nazis.
Humans do love their Meme Magic....take yourself for instance!
Nice to see someone wearing their thinking cap Mikhael! 👍
Sigh...so much easier not wearing it though!
In the short run, surely....in the long run, I'm not so sure.
As you correctly write, One is not obligated to 'take a side' in this Carnage. That said, there are consequences (moral & whatnot) to doing so. Primarily when wholesale Genocide & Ethnic Cleansing are occurring *LIVE* for all to see, it is clear what the result will be to this Slaughter:
The Destruction of the Antihuman, Apartheid Zionist Entity. & when that time comes, many individuals who proclaimed 'neutrality' will have to contend with their craven choices of the past.
(For those interested)
If you wish to read (& listen!) to more of My commentary, here is my Main Stack:
https://thefallofthewest.substack.com
Thank You Kindly to everyone!
> As you correctly write, One is not obligated to 'take a side' in this Carnage.
Depends what layers of reality you are taking into consideration. For example, many people do not have the ability to not take a side, similar to how they are not able to juggle: it is not an innate ability, it is difficult and thus requires practice, and it is not a behavioural norm in our culture (rather, the opposite is both the norm *and the recommendation from The Experts*, and this methodology is drilled into people's minds every single day in the media.)
> The Destruction of the Antihuman, Apartheid Zionist Entity. & when that time comes, many individuals who proclaimed 'neutrality' will have to contend with their craven choices of the past.
Sure...but most (Western) people benefit greatly from being uninformed or misinformed, at least on this matter.
You are simply parroting hasbara talking points ..have you ever had an original thought outside of your tribal affiliated trance ?
Sorry to disappoint you, Bob, but none of my Muslim neighbors have tried to "ethnically cleanse" me yet. The only people who have ever threatened my well-being were self-professed "Christians." Therefore, I should assume that "Christian countries" are the most dangerous on the planet.
Bullshit. Take your Islamophobia elsewhere.
Bullshit. Take your Islamophobia elsewhere.
I think that when people choose to be "neutral" on this issue, they are trying to show what "fairminded" "nonjudgemental" people they are. Also, they may know people who are zionist and they are afraid of being called "antisemitic".
I think Aaron Bushnell's sacrifice may have awakened some of us a bit more to the idea that maybe we need to be a bit braver, and risk more - because we are witness to a genocide chosen by the leaders of the countries we live in. Not that I condone suicide - as I wish Aaron had protested in some other forceful way without taking his own life. But it is what it is. :(
Yes, people are afraid of the consequences because the consequences can be very real: Losing one's job and therefore unable to feed your family, losing one's academic reputation - being jailed or beaten etc. Being ostracized ...
You are so right! Aaron Bushnell is calling us all out! To that end, I bought a Palestinian flag and hung it from the window; my wife came down saw it and removed it and hid it. When I asked her about it she ignored me and it was going to become a row she said she was scared and would give me money to donate. I think we are in deep trouble.
"I bought a Palestinian flag" - hope locally, with cash. Otherwise no point hiding it.
heh
The very fact the Zionist have a stranglehold on the economic reality's of the west and use that as a means to cancel others is the clearest form of fascism i have ever seen ,,
But to even hint of this is to have the scarlet letter "A" accusations pined to your own lapel.
I was thinking of getting my social security number tattooed onto my forearm like they did to prisoners of world war two but i think it might be a little too soon for that..
It's interesting, because what you're going through - and many others are going through - is probably the same as a number of Germans went through who did not agree with the Nazi ideology at the time under Hitler, but remained quiet.
It's frightening because the consequences to your livelihood and well-being can be severe. But that's what fascism is all about: fear and terror.
My great grandfather died in that war.. My family is basically a product of war and that has come with a host of dysfunctions burned into it.. I probably would not even exist if it was not for war though despite my hate of it... Or i could be a drunk German on an October fest binge! HA! instead of a french and German american mutt..
> But to even hint of this is to have the scarlet letter "A" accusations pined to your own lapel.
I always recommend we focus our energies on subtle, sub-perceptual but fundamental phenomena like these, rather than endlessly engaging in Meme Magic like in this thread.
Thoughts, ChazLB?
Trying to decipher your somewhat cryptic form of expressing yourself (and we all deserve the right to do that as we see fit) but I now have to guess the meaning of meme magic as I have never encountered the term before and must think it must be a tad facisious or sarcastic (guilty of this myself occasionally) and interperate it to mean "fantasy posting" for lack of a clearer discription of my guesswork.
So with that in mind I can conclude my interest in dealing with the economic reality of the small hat mafia banking cartels control of the money supply and economic reality most people now find themselves imprisoned by and any meantion of this "fact" will be met with the current mental kryptonite weapon weilded at us for pointing out the enporors are butt ass nakid.
Its 10 o'clock Have you memed today?
Combine these two, for starters at least:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memetics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%C3%AFve_realism_(psychology)
> Its 10 o'clock Have you memed today?
All day 'err day!! lol
Naive realism is an interesting concept..
If I see a rock it's a fucking rock..even though I know it's made up of a collection of chemical and atomic structures for all practical purposes I can still use it to bash a skull in if need be in the moment.
The naive one might not ever see it coming.
Back to its all theory till your face smashes off.
First read was interesting as I had never contemplated the oragins of the term "meme"
I will have to study on this further ..but modern interpretation is a meme can get it's legs under it if it goes "viral" and entertains well.
Aaron made the ultimate sacrifice: his life. Perhaps if others (particularly our Dear Leaders, The Experts, The Adults in the Room, etc) had been able to make the second place ultimate sacrifice, exerting control over their own minds, he wouldn't have felt it necessary to make that sacrifice, because we wouldn't once again have thousands of Muslims dying at the hands of delusional Westerners.
I don't believe in self-inflicted Martyrdom. Never have and never will. To negate life in order to affirm life I find lacks wisdom. Violence begets violence, including violence against oneself. Should a thousand more of us now kill ourselves as the "heroic" action to take? For some, simply staying alive and affirming life despite the horror of it - is the authentic act of heroism.
Aaron Bushnell could have protested forcefully in many ways. Killing himself I am of the opinion was not what he should have done, nor do I see it as divine or holy as Chris Hedges recently argued - divinity lies in affirming life - and I do not see self-murder as affirming life, and it sets a poor example for those who may also believe killing themselves is a good idea and honorable. Killing oneself is not something Jesus Christ would have advocated for - and this is my answer to Chris Hedges. One can be honorable and care about the world without killing themselves - and it's nonsense that people seem to think this was Aaron's only valid, or best choice to protest forcefully. It wasn't (in my opinion).
We who see our own control of our own life as a solverain right may chose to self murder in order to free our self from lifes pain.
Terminial ill people may.. Emotional destrote may wish to.
I agree with you about life..I find suicide to be a selfish act but in this case it was the opposite in that Arins "pain" may have been his empathy and be life that commpelled him to protest in the most profound (to him) way.
When everything he beloved and belived turned out to be a lie, he could not bare it.
He was the property of the state who murdered and comitted genocide.
Against all he held dear.
He chose to leave us as a statement that life was not worth living under these conditions. And a clear protest against the state he served under.
Maybe all military men should do it and then we can know peace...
Are you listening IDF
you too CIA and Mossad...off yourselves you fucking psycopaths.
> I don't believe in Martyrdom. Never have and never will.
Do you care whether it is true that martyrdom has no positive utility, ever?
> To negate life in order to affirm life I find lacks wisdom.
I find Meme Magic like this to lack wisdom.
> Violence begets violence...
Violence also begets peace.
> Should a thousand more of us now kill ourselves as the "heroic" action to take?
It's a good question, and I can think of many useful variations on it.
Can you think of many useful variations on it, Jamenta?
> Aaron Bushnell could have protested forcefully in many ways.
You too could choose more optimal behaviors...and yet, here you are.
> One can be honorable and care about the world without killing themselves....
In some cases sure, but in this case do you actually have (in fact) the means to accurately determine what is and is not "honorable " (whatever that symbol means, in all of its variations)?
> and it's nonsense that people seem to think this was Aaron's only valid, or best choice to protest forcefully. It wasn't (in my opinion).
Did you notice that you revealed you were expressing your opinion in the second part, but stated your opinion as a fact in the first part?
I noticed.
For some, simply staying alive and affirming life despite the horror of it - is the authentic act of heroism. And what Christian Faith is really about. The Christian Crusades was never authentically Christian whatsoever. Christian Martyrdom was not about murdering oneself. Yes, Christians allowed others to kill them - at least certain versions of Christian sects - since there's been historically quite a few - but fundamentally, one is suppose to affirm life by living it despite the horrors "God" makes one endure.
I agree. Similarly, the airspeed of a European Swallow is approximately 20 mph.
Now, if it isn't too much trouble, could you attempt an answer to some of the questions that were actually asked?
Well you just showed what side you’re on. People who protest against Israel slaughter aren’t pro Hamas and there is no evidence that they are threatening Jews. Why do Israel supporters have to make 💩up…
"Yopu're a stupid, hateful creep"
Buy a mirror.
> Why do Israel supporters have to make 💩up…
If you observe carefully, you may be able to notice that all humans are this way. The root problem is *culture*, modern day Western culture *insists* on speaking inaccurately and untruthfully, we are instructed to do so by our parents, in school, by the media, *even by scientists*!
> What alternative reality do you live in? Oh, I almost forgot, it is the Qatari Al Jazeera reality.
There is substantial irony here Bob - can you identify it? (Or maybe better: can you even *try to*?)
> to convince others to your anti-Semitic genocidal fantasies. Yopu're a stupid, hateful creep.
And you (implicitly) proclaim yourself to be a mind reader. There is no shortage of silliness to go around, Bob.
"It is not fair to ask of others what you are not willing to do yourself."
- Eleanor Roosevelt
Oh my fuckin’ god n sonny Jesus…Jamenta lives in >gasp< IDAHO! And we all know that every single soul residing in IDAHO is a card-carrying member of the Nazi party, correct, Bobby-Boy?
Yet you seem to enjoy bragging about boating and skiing there. WHAT were you thinking, subjecting yourself to the presence of all those goose-steppers?!
Your pseudo-intellectualism and boasting of your vacations (to IDAHO, no less!) are boring as fuck. You are bonafide shit-for-brains. GTFOH.
I ain’t nobody’s “brother”. I’m a woman who’s waaay outta your league.
If you’re so goddamned fond of Idaho, explain why the fuck why you’re trashing Jamenta for living there, asshat.
Bob you make a lot of assumptions and stretches to accuse people of stuff by innuendo "It is known as America's Nazi capital, and this is where Jamenta lives. "
YOU SAID THIS!
And obvious framed accusation..
Utter nonsense. I’m sure that you can provide evidence of that? Idaho isn’t much different than Utah and there are no Nazis running around creating havoc. I know all those places too and I’ve seen no nazis there. This is right out of the Hillary Russia Russia playbook.
You and Russian bot seem to like to call everyone you don't agree with Nazis ...you goose step that accusation faster than any German i have every known..
"... Russian bot seem to like to call everyone you don't agree with Nazis" - Jazzy Cunt is caught lying again, what's new 😉🤣🤡
? What you cant find the thread where you say Sieg Heil at people ?? think you are the one lying here... Of course you have a past reputation of denying your own bad behavior and lying about it... Ah that intellectual cowardice you consistently display though. cant ever look at the mirror huh? the abyss of your soul might stare back at you
Fuckhead, listen closely. The ones who received and will continue receiving "sieg Heil" and "Heil Hitler" are those who expressed their love for Hitler and/or his treatment of Jews. Namely:
- Pete Schult (aka Ernesto Che, Terry Byrne, Klaus Hubbertz)
- ChazLB (aka Jazzy Cunt)
- gypsy33
The above list only, fuckhead, get it? You lying cunt 🤣💋🤡
The majority of Zionists are NOT Jewish. Many Jews are fiercely protesting this barbaric Genocide. Being "fairminded" on Genocide is a symptom of a serious mental disorder. If a Zionist calls someone anti-Semitic there are many possible responses, but I will refrain from using that language here.
At some point - you do have to make "judgements" and stick by them and suffer the consequences. For example, the idiots who told us to vote for Joe Biden because, you know the Lesser of Two Evils nonsense. They refused to listen to people who had been fans of theirs for years. So once someone tells you who they are, you believe them. I don't care if you're Steven Spielberg himself - who is a scumbag for not speaking out more regarding this ongoing atrocity in GAZA. And I don't give a damn how famous you are and what you may think of me for not voting for Genocide Joe Biden - LIKE SPIELBERG DID. What matters to me is my own opinion of myself - not someone stupid enough to have voted for this genocidal POS that is now president - who is the perfect senile symbol of an obscenely corrupt democratic party.
It’s called “having a conscience “, Jamenta. 🙂
Well said Jack.
What have those fiercely protesting Jews achieved in the past 75 years?
There are 2 possibilities as to why the answer to that question is zilch (to use a yiddish term):
* either their fierce protests are not so fierce or not fierce enough, or
* what you call many are not that many after all.
Over 400 Jews, many of them rabbis, were arrested at Grand Central Station. Thousands can be seen marching in DC and around the world. Check out Jewish Voice for Peace, founded by Holocaust survivors. Mondoweiss, The Gray Zone, and on and on...
https://www.democracynow.org/2023/10/30/grand_central_protest
https://www.commondreams.org/news/jewish-capitol-protest
You may not see coverage of Jews against Genocide on CNN 🤪 but it's still happening - and as Netanyahu continues to slaughter thousands of women and children, it will only increase.
You could have Google this yourself. Troll much?
Talking about trolls: what is someone called who gives a "reply" that does not reply the question? Exactly: a troll.
This is exactly what you have done, so for the record I repeat my question:
What have those fiercely protesting Jews achieved in the past 75 years?
If you cannot give me a precise reply, try your trolling on someone else. Thank you.
You stated that there aren't many Jews protesting. I supplied you with links proving that there ARE many Jews protesting. You want precise information on the affects that these protests are having? Their protests have proven that not all anti-Genocide protesters are pro-Hamas. It makes it difficult for the MSM and politicians to dismiss the protests. Are you dismissing the value of having Jews publicly fighting Israel? You want a precise "success" number value attached to each protest by Jews? The success cannot easily be measured in hard numbers - as is the case with most protests. If you believe that anti-Genocide protesters are making a difference, how could you not understand that having Jews joining in supports whatever effect the protests are having? If you don't believe that anti-Genocide protests have any affect, that's your opinion and I can't change it! I'm not about to tell my Jewish friends to stop protesting because you can't see precise proof that they are making a difference. In the meantime I'll keep supporting BDS. You and I are against this Genocide. That makes you my ally, which is really all I care about. We are fighting a brutal, powerful enemy and we need all the help we can get!
> You stated that there aren't many Jews protesting.
NOOO, I did NOT state that!
Super important point.
> I think that when people choose to be "neutral" on this issue, they are trying to show what "fairminded" "nonjudgemental" people they are. Also, they may know people who are zionist and they are afraid of being called "antisemitic".
Reviewing the thread, I had some more thoughts on this. Earlier I said "Super important point", and I continue to agree with that, but I wanted to ask: do you think it is not possible (in fact) to achieve a ~neutral state of mind based on sound reasoning?
I ask this question with the seriousness that this state of affairs (thousands of ~innocent people being slaughtered) deserves.
not in this situation. That's why I put neutral in quotation marks
Did you notice that I included this?
>> (in fact)
Consider two forms of the question:
> Do you think it is not possible to achieve a ~neutral state of mind based on sound reasoning?
> Do you think it is not possible (in fact) to achieve a ~neutral state of mind based on sound reasoning?
I'm curious: does your mind interpret them identically, if you force yourself to use "System 2" cognition?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow
How does putting "in fact" actualy help "cognition" when most people believe the bull shit they do is a "fact"?
Most people go around saying (or shouting ) I'm dealing in FACT while exclaiming it with great emotive convictions to better sell it when none of it is actual fact at all and just opinion. ~ super cognition
> How does putting "in fact" actualy help "cognition" when most people believe the bull shit they do is a "fact"?
If you are genuinely curious, I challenge you to answer the question yourself!
Also: do you realize your insult also applies to yourself?
> Most people go around saying (or shouting ) I'm dealing in FACT
For clarity: are you presenting/perceiving this as a fact or an opinion?
Your entire questioning here can be summed up easily
"Its all theory till your face melts off"
If I am chalanged and except such chalange at all ..many people have came at me before in my experiences using the term facts as in "I know the facts ,or I'm dealing in "facts"".
When what they believe in is just someone else's second hand opinion or propaganda ...
Clear now?
Of course this is my learned "opinion" based on experience and statistical analysis of the trend.
>Also: do you realize your insult also applies to yourself?<
First off let's define the insult (where none was intended)
Then we can move on from there.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."-- Benjamin Franklin.
The "neutral" is chosen and seen as the safe position when in fact it is often the most vulnerable, standing for nothing.
Many do not want their social bubbles burst for anything intruding on what they see as their safe haven, while for many others see life as a quest.
Hostility pours out when bubbles are burst.
Well said Robert Billyard
Brilliant
"Wanting" something is a conscious act, is it not?
Indifference is what makes it possible for monsters to exist. Looking away or closing your eyes does not make them go away. This is real. https://youtu.be/dP808Qc9lgM
I don't like the "taking a side" thing, but if not taking a side means to support these atrocities, you'd better rethink where you want to stand.
Norman Finkelstein says he is not pro-Israel or pro-Palestine; he is Pro-Truth....or, is it Pro-Facts?
If he really is pro-Truth then inevitably, by default he is pro-Palestine.
I have believed from very early in this massacre that Israel is all lies. Hamas is not the monster; the IDF is. I recommend https://www.aljazeera.com/ for facts. I get it on my TV here in Mexico, it's worldwide.
I didn't believe the "systematic rape" story, not because I had evidence, because it just didn't make sense. The IDF is reincarnated Nazis.
Yes the systematic rape was debunked, primarily by a well-done journalistic investigation by Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate from the Grayzone - followed up by other Independent news sources that used the Grayzone's work and then barely gave them credit for their work- which I found pretty unethical. This includes Amy Goodman from Democracy Now and Ryan Grim and The Intercept, among others.
People still believe it. The NY Times article made me question my belief that the rape accusation was bullshit. But, is WAS. And, The NY Times still stands behind their "reporting". It's so discouraging to see Israel is getting away with hundreds/thousands of war crimes. Taking advantage of "good people's" fear of being labeled antisemitic and gosh: remember that Holocaust!
Just watching a few minutes of Al Jazeera every day - reminds me of what this is really all about. Murderous killing of human beings who are not animals. We are all now witnesses to a level of slaughter and barbarity equal to the Nazi depravity in WWII - and this is not an exaggeration. :(
The NY Times is just a propaganda wing of the Elites - the obscenely wealthy who are the puppet masters of senile Joe Biden, and the rest of the corrupt politicians and den of thieves who occupy Washington DC right now.
Nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Amerikkkan regime, Jamenta.
https://www.aljazeera.com/
and, on my TV.
And: https://www.faithfulamerica.org/
... and the weaponization, not of rape itself (the act) but of *lies* about rape, is an insult to every real survivor, a threat to every future one -- "fake rape" discredits real rape. And it's not survivors who are faking rape, but the violent, fascist government of Israel.
Likewise the use of disingenuous charges of anti-semitism far and wide by the same perps. Discredits the real antisemitism -- words and deeds - of white supremacists and fascists, the real, sworn enemies of Jews, women, immigrants, people of color, queers everywhere -- i.e., the majority of the planet's people(s). It's vile abuse of the opporessed.
The Jews are not oppressed; they are the oppressor. Of course not all Jews. Just most.
Goes to show you don't know what you are talking about: there were 15 million Jews before WW2.
Moreover, Göbbls was responsible for propaganda only, not for any killing.
Get some education then report back.
Bob?
16??? million? from where did you get that number? Oh, that's right: I get it, you're uneducated.
….Said Bobby-Boy as he looked at his hideous countenance in the mirror.
I guess. I am confused on some things in life. But genocide is not one of them. heh.
> A more confused person than jamenta would be hard to find.
Not really, there is Bob 😉
🎯
Bob, You have NO idea what you are talking about.
Some good news, "UNITED NATIONS: Nicaragua initiated proceedings against Germany at the United Nation's top court, the International Court of Justice at The Hague, claiming Germany "is facilitating the commission of genocide" by Israel against the Palestinian people in Gaza." Haaretz Saturday, 02.03.2024
Caitlin please write about canarymission.org a Zionist website with lots of donors which spies on primarily American students and academics, but other nationalities as well. Then it posts the photos of the students and a brief sentence or two about what they did. For example the student planned a walk out for Gaza ceasefire, etc. they do this to jeopardize the students’ post college job searches, graduate work, internships, etc. it is sickening and deserves more coverage. They also have a section on college faculty and professionals but the section on gen z is so mean spirited and disgusting. I live next to a small college town with 5 liberal arts colleges and know that it has targeted students to intimidate and silence them. Wtf is that?
Caitlin's timely reminder of whose side are we on. A brief reflection on the two sides should not leave any room for doubt. Like one warmonger threatened "You are with us or against us" in another theatre of war.
On one side is Israel the occupier, the aggressor, the killing machine bent on a genocide like no other, heartless and depraved and ruthless as to use starvation as a weapon. On the other side the occupied Palestinians, the oppressed, a people subjected to an onslaught of bombings, massacres, made homeless, destitute and starving and dying.
It is a simple equation. One of choosing between evil and compassion.
The question is, with the world as it is: a hegemonic empire and its vassal states aiding and abetting Israel in a genocide, and the other half looking on helpless and powerless - if our choosing to be with the oppressed will achieve anything for the Palestinians....
Imagine how world leaders would react if it was Russia doing what Israel is. We’d see their hypocrisy lickity split if that happened.
Yes Sam, See how they are making Navalny into a hero.
It is sickening. If you've seen the videos of Navalny marching with neo-nazis and calling people "cockroaches" you'd know that he's nothing close to being "heroic".
CAITLIN NAILS IT AGAIN!
Agreed. This is true of so many issues.
When choosing sides, take care not to choose genocides.
Bang on the money, Caitlin!