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Freedom Justice Happiness's avatar

USA - “ but Iran is killing its citizens!” so in response we need to kill their citizens , so their citizens will see that we are trying to save them by carpet bombing them , sanctioning them, destroying everything we can think of-

This is seriously their “ rationale “

Feral Finster's avatar

The rationale is irrelevant. Any rationale will do.

I read a straight faced comment that Iranian civilian deaths were Iran's fault because Iran knew that the Americans target civilians. Like blaming a rape victim for not just giving it up.

Veronica Baker's avatar

By that rational every driver going over the speed limit by 20mph while driving round a blind corner will no longer be arrested for running over the child, person crossing the road because it will be the dead person's fault.

Feral Finster's avatar

Of course the rationale is absurd. In the end, it boils down to "might is right" and "my trobe over all".

Pretend a terrorist attack were to happen. Gee, I wonder why? Cue up the anguished wailing "How could they do something so awful to US!"

Veronica Baker's avatar

I want to laugh at that but sadly that is exactly what they would wail.

Feral Finster's avatar

Sorry about the typos. It's hard to type with paws.

Paul Vonharnish's avatar

Civil populations have been trained to blame countries and/or *leaders* for every act of civilian theft and war. Agencies such as the Rand Corporation hire committees and teams of psychologists to finely massage public rhetoric - decade after decade. The fools rush in...

"Blackrock/Vanguard flow chart: > Hire and train ignorant mercenaries located in war-torn territories. > Set up the game so there’s no chance for success regardless of mission. > Rename the mission subsequent to massive levels of collateral damage and civilian slaughter. > Offer usury loans to the defeated. > Rinse and repeat..." - Paul Vonharnish - (3/18/2016)

Vin LoPresti's avatar

Moment I hear one of my fellow Americans blathering about "the midterms", I recognize a hollow resonating chamber for the Times and other MSM propaganda, who'll find it nearly impossible to recognize that voting is of little consequence and that focusing on the duopoly is completely inconsequential.

Patrick Powers's avatar

I will never forget Kamala Harris saying "we have the most lethal fighting force in the world!" with a huge smile on her face. This plan to control the oil supply has been going on for decades and I expect it to continue for decades more. The president has little say in the matter.

Landru's avatar

As well as Genocide Kamala " Iran is our greatest enemy" Yep she said it. 1953 summed up everything we in the u.s. planned for Iran. What you think is yours is ours.

Veronica Baker's avatar

How in the West are we going to stop our evil, depraved governments? It has to be the television that's done it, as it came out people started to change before my eyes, even in my younger years a good book beat television hands down so I think I was more aware of its effect on people. It's something I've never seen as desirable. People's lives are now lived through their television screens, they no longer seem to know what reality is, or reality as much as we can know it.

When the man from BBC licensing came around and waved his magic doodah around to see if I had one hidden around somewhere. As he left defeated he told me I would be eligible for a free license at a certain age, told him I still wouldn't be getting one.

Marci Sudlow's avatar

Television is not to blame; it is just a tool. (TV news helped to turn the US population against the Vietnam war.) It is the rise of the oligarchs and their subsequent consolidation of mainstream media that turned television into the propaganda tool that it is today.

Landru's avatar

Please don't get me wrong, I do now realize voting for the Duopoly no matter what is said is more destructive than not voting. I do want to send a message however there are no third party candidates who have made any statements about anything that I can find and I do look for them. If we don't have someone to vote for now, we don't have someone to vote for. I will again turn my ballot in blank other than the local funding issues. The last primary, the only thing on the ballot for me, school funding. I voted for more funding and the ballot issue failed. Children will face increased classroom numbers, and less options at a time when the opposite for them is necessary. I don't want to live in a so-called community without education for children. How can education be the last on the list of needs. Sorry my friend, I blather because I am lost outside the Nation of Caitlin.

Vin LoPresti's avatar

Voting local is keeping community, assuming you stay in touch with who your local district reps are. I completely understand that need, especially re: schools. And I disagree a bit about 3rd party candidates. Stein and Butch Ware were easy to vote for based on their anti-war posture. Anthony Aguilar is running in NC as a Green, so there are a few. Personally, I leave a blank for any office if my only choices are D or R. The satisfaction may be purely personal, or it may be a message. I can't be certain; I just feel certain that the current lockjaw must be cracked open.

Frances Lynch's avatar

Here are some non AIPAC options, it's one way to approach the problem

https://www.trackaipac.com/endorsements

Frances Lynch's avatar

Here are some non AIPAC options, it's a start....

https://www.trackaipac.com/endorsements

Vin LoPresti's avatar

Yes thank you. It's a fine start. My issue is that it's national level, and all these initially fine-looking and likely well-motivated individuals, if elected, will ultimately fall under the influence, the toxic gaseous emanations of the DNC, as history has amply demonstrated; a DNC, bought and paid for by Zionist $$. While that dynamic continues to operate, I will never waste my time voting duopoly except on the local level for someone I know as a community operative. Period.

Frances Lynch's avatar

I absolutely agree.

Veronica Baker's avatar

I just put across my ballot, no vote of confidence in any party, only legal way in England you can deface it. Stops anyone using my vote for other purposes.

Michael's avatar

Voting could matter if we start locally. Stop voting in zionists to local and state elections. They’re usually disguised as democrats saying all the right things but simply look at who they are, where they live or grew up and you’ll see it.

Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Not only do the warmongers not pay the price, there a very high likelihood they are profiting bigly on it.

jamenta's avatar

No kidding. Merchants of death.

Landru's avatar

I see what you did : ). Yes and I am interested how you think this plays out short and long term.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Profiting for sure.

Peter Roest's avatar

It turns out you can if the audience is stupid enough. And you can find lots of those people at Trump rallies.

Sel Gossett's avatar

Unfortunately, lately it’s not the only place

Landru's avatar

Can Demoncrat rallies. I was at a protest against ICE, War etc. and I heard from many of the vote Blue no matter who, " We must control social media" " We have to stop dictatorships" " We must bomb countries to control drugs" None of knew what the Keffiyeh I was wearing meant. So it's bipartisan stupidity.

Frances Lynch's avatar

It is also an effect of alternative media as a sole news source, which is now the case with a lot of people.

The algorithms only send you items that resonate with your prior choices, the result; far less visibility of different points of view come to your attention.

Plato's Cave at work..

Frances Lynch's avatar

Yet at his latest rally in Kentucky they had to bus in people to give him a crowd. I personally think his approval rating nationally is around 12%. Tops.

Peter Roest's avatar

From your lips to God’s ears.

Frances Lynch's avatar

I was absolutely delighted. Kenucky was once a strong supporter.

No more, especially after his attacks on their favorite sons; Massie and Paul.

Patrick Powers's avatar

It's the tribal instinct. Even ants and bees have had it for a hundred million years.

jamenta's avatar
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True. But then Trump was singing a completely different tune when he was looking for American votes.

Come to think of it, Democrats do the same goddamn thing.

Veronica Baker's avatar

That's why I always say, reverse all they tell you and you'll be right 98% of the time.

Peter Roest's avatar

True. And they seem to be reproducing or something also.

Veronica Baker's avatar

I've heard Trump use every vile descriptive word he can about the people of Iran and as a quick afterthought in case he came across as bad adding quickly "but there's some really good people there too."

I've heard him spout the rubbish as many westerners do of they force their women to wear the hijab, what a load of old cobblers but hey, knock them down with a feather, some women in Iran feel better wearing it. It's their own choice. When I was growing up in the sixties, no "decent " woman would even go to the local shops without first putting a headscarf over their hair, this was England and it just wasn't done. The pensioner women tended to wear a hat but there again most at that age in the sixties had short hair, permed for a bit of curl. There must be other's on here who can remember waiting to go out of the door while their mum fussed around tying their headscarf on, making sure it covered her hair.

If anyone really truly believes the crap our governments tell us, or channels especially like BBC and Fox News, they need to be volunteering to lead those ground troops into Iran and take the governments with them.

JennyStokes's avatar

Problem is we only hear NEWS from the point of view of the west.

Absolutely 100% correct about English women putting on headscarves before the went out (don't forget the hair curlers!)

How come a Nun can wear a black habit and always cover their hair........such bloody weternised nonsense.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Oh those curlers, prickly things.

Yes, that's one of my bugbears, nuns fine, one seck of Israel's religion wear pretty much the same as anun but also a veil over their face, but hey ...... that's okay, they're not Muslim.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Remind me not to have blues playing in the background as my typing wants to match the rhythm, spelling mistakes and I hate editing because people think you've taken something nasty out. 🤣

jamenta's avatar

I edit all the time. People still seem to like my posts. Despite some horrendous grammar. I'm clueless why too.

Veronica Baker's avatar

I think I'm averse because few years ago I used to comment on one and the minute someone edited, the usual crowd jumped on them. Didn't hang around there for long, just left me hating edit. I'll try and get over it.

I know there was a really good rhythm going and on the above were my fault but often its altered by AI spell check jobbie, not sure where it gets some of its ideas from.

JennyStokes's avatar

NOT Possible to readd or write with music playing........music with no words OK.

Veronica Baker's avatar

No words on it, just a rhythm my fingers were tapping letters to.

David Korabell's avatar

I'm still trying to my head around the propaganda of "Iran killed tens of thousands of protesters"

MAGAts claim that Iranian armed troops killed more people in 2 days than Israel killed in two years of bombing Palestine. And they truly believe this.

Patrick Powers's avatar

This is why they are so intent on blanket censorship of media. It's effective mind control, and has been that way for thousands of years.

Philip Mollica's avatar

I'm so tired of idiot broadcasters categorizing and labeling people.

Gee, what if I'm just a human and I disagree with killing and maiming other people?

What if I'm just a human, and I think we should live and let live?

That doesn't give you the right to pigeonhole me, asshole. I'm not part of your game.

The fear on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.

Tom High's avatar

“The dominant culture of the world teaches us that The Other is a threat, that our fellow human beings are a danger. We will all continue to be exiles in one form or another as long as we continue to accept the paradigm that the world is a racetrack or a battlefield.”– Eduardo Galeano

jamenta's avatar
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The Billionaires and Elites who manipulate us and our children to launch Crusades and blood soaked Wars like it that way. They want us fighting over immigrants and gays and which God is the true God, or the big Evil Iran is about to bomb us all. Just as long as the sheep don't figure out whom the real wolf is amongst them.

Feral Finster's avatar

They don't have to make the populace cheer. If they can do so, great, the job is that much easier.

If not, the rulers do what they want to anyway. Winston Churchill may be ritually invoked.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Sorry but as an English person I just wish to say, Fuck Winston Churchill, a malignant piece of crap, cruel to his very core, like Trump, renowned for his lies, his absolute sadism, his love of tipping back the whisky bottle and finally, god forbid, his love of pre- pubescent boys.

Craig Smith's avatar

Well said, as a fellow English person I know Churchill was a racist, imperialist piece of shit

Set the army to shoot at striking miners and caused a famine in India.

He spent WW2 pissed on whisky, chain smoking expensive cigars and feeding his fat face whilst the ordinary people faced strict rationing.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Hello Mr. Craig Smith, fellow countryman. Yep, 4 million Bengali's died of starvation because we, the British stole all of their crops and refused to let them have any back. 4 million right there under Winston's orders. I've seen the photographs, heartbreaking, poor, poor people. And Winston C had photographs taken to drool over, never realizing some of us would one day see them.

Feral Finster's avatar

Well, watching American humans beat off to St. Winston is equally nauesating.

Veronica Baker's avatar

😱😳 Doesn't beat thinking about, there again there's plenty here in the UK doing the same. Hell, most people still believe his lie that hundreds of small boats crossed the channel to rescue soldiers from Dunkirk.

Frances Lynch's avatar

They have been lied to, about everything. As we all have.

If you visit the WW2 exibit in London, which BTW is exquisitely done, you would walk away assuming he was a God.

Feral Finster's avatar

Keep in mind that britain's remaining claim to global status stems entirely from its position as America's Special Little Bitch. Hence the need to constantly invoke The God-Emperor Winston I, to get Americans embroiled in fights, so that the british can demonstrate their slavish loyalty.

Take away the US and britain is reduced to a flavor-challenged backwater ruled nominally by a hereditary inbred, where they never shut up about long-past glories.

Frances Lynch's avatar

True, they are a mess, and now over stocked as they are with out of towners, I doubt muchof their culture wil suvive this century.

Paul Vonharnish's avatar

Hello Veronica Baker. Correct. Winston Churchill was an absolute piece of shit. I could never stomach seeing the picture of him sitting smugly with Stalin and Roosevelt >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yalta_Conference_(Churchill,_Roosevelt,_Stalin)_(B%26W).jpg >>> as his jewish balling buddies lied about the alleged holocaust.

The entire WWII fiasco was driven by petroleum cartels, Rothschilds Bank, Barklays Bank of London, the Bank of England, and of course, Swiss/Vatican ties through the Bank(s) for International Settlement.

Indu Abeysekara's avatar

"I can’t get over how many leftists bought into the “we support the Iran protests” schtick. Where the fuck did you idiots think this was headed? What did you think you were promoting when you assisted the US empire’s regime change sloganeering throughout the west? Fucking morons".

Bravo Caitlin! 👏 🤗 💐

Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Anti-imperialist does not mean anti-American any more than Zionist means Jewish. We Americans didn't even start learning this, in relation to our own Empire, until the Vietnam War, but it's been 60 years since then and most of us are simply not as stupid as the Epstein Class needs for us to be.

For the first time since they started taking polls at the beginnings of wars, a clear majority of the American people were staunchly opposed to a new imperial war at its start. This one's different, and Israel and our MIC will soon discover just how different this one is.

Landru's avatar

The new CNN polling is showing overwhelming support now for war on Iran. Shocking isn't it now that CNN is owned by israel.

Frances Lynch's avatar

And that is one doozy of a poll.

Listen carefully to what the announcer says. He says in a survey of Trump supporters, 100% support him.

DUHHHHHHH.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Just a coincidence 😉😆

Patrick Powers's avatar

The true goal is dominating the industrialized world through control of the oil supply.

I have heard that the Marines are being sent there in order to hijack oil tankers that get through the Strait after having paid for the cargo in yuan.

Landru's avatar

That would make little sense. Iran has proven they can destroy any ship approaching the Strait. Landing Marines on a small island without defensive cover from the hail of drones and missiles would be suicide which might me what the idiots want. Most of the island is pumping for Iranian tanker filling. No tankers will leave without permission. I would bet from now on Iran will treat the Strait as Panama treats the canal. Everyone will pay a fee or be fired on. Reap what you sow. We have reaped the whirlwind that consists of 40k drones halting 20% of the worlds crude and 35% of the worlds fertilizer.

Frances Lynch's avatar

Good luck trying that stunt on a Chinese ship.

jamenta's avatar
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Maybe the world, especially US and Australia - should consider investing in alternate energy sources that are renewable. Just a thought.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Now that would not surprise me at all. Mr. We have all the oil we'll ever need Trump, yet rubs his ditsy chubby hands with glee at the thought of another illegal taking of an oil tanker.

Frances Lynch's avatar

We actually import about 20%, it comes from Canada, Mexico and Russia.

Veronica Baker's avatar

I'm only repeating Trump and he would never, ever lie would he 🤥

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

The only time I vote in the USA is when I vote for Aaron Bushnell.

Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

There’s a popular video channel that called what Iran was doing “scorched earth,” and said the suggestion of lifting sanctions on Iran oil, was “rewarding Iran.” What kind of thinking it that?

It passes itself off as anti-war, but accepts Axios as truthful, and uses neo-con framing consistently, viewing China as the big enemy. All issues are personalized. It’s Trump’s war this, Netanyahu’s that, Putin, Xi. Nothing systematic to see here, just these bad guys.

I’ve left some comments pointing out the framing, but I don’t think I’ll waste any more of my time on that place.

Veronica Baker's avatar

Sounds like the kind of channel I avoid like the plague, more like controlled opposition as just plain opposition. Singing from the same old song sheet.

misterkel's avatar

"the US has been steeped in the blood of the innocent throughout its entire history since long before Israel existed."

I tested this hypothesis:

20th C - US was involved in (whatever that means) 17 conflicts before the creation of Israel (WW's included)

After Israel created: 33, so a clear step-up in engagements.

21st C - 32 conflicts. Since this is only 26 years instead of 50ish, this is almost another doubling.

Now, who knows how much of this is pushed by Zionists. (You say Israel, but that's not precise - Zionists in the regimes is more accurate).

Of course, most of these could be unrelated to the Zionist infiltration of government, but the increasing numbers of Zionists in each admin correlates pretty strongly with the increase in wars engaged in by the US.

But that correlation might be incidental or caused by another situation. Or the Zionist factor could be only a partial cause.

Curiously, in the 19th Century, there were 62 conflicts, reflecting the ratio in the latter half of the 20th Century.

Obviously, MANY factors contribute to this situation. Saying it's all Zionists or it's all any single cause is laughably simplistic. But, that could be a contributing factor to the increase in conflicts post-1950.

Just a final note - some of the opponents are humourous from the 19th Century. A lot of Pirates like the Florida Republic and the Greek Pirates.

David Korabell's avatar

And let's consider the slaughter of indigenous native Americans. And claiming it as divine right.