USA - “ but Iran is killing its citizens!” so in response we need to kill their citizens , so their citizens will see that we are trying to save them by carpet bombing them , sanctioning them, destroying everything we can think of-
The rationale is irrelevant. Any rationale will do.
I read a straight faced comment that Iranian civilian deaths were Iran's fault because Iran knew that the Americans target civilians. Like blaming a rape victim for not just giving it up.
If Golda's remarks doesn't sum up her fellow Zionists' motivation for committing genocide and war crimes all over West Asia, I don't know what else does.
By that rational every driver going over the speed limit by 20mph while driving round a blind corner will no longer be arrested for running over the child, person crossing the road because it will be the dead person's fault.
The Israelis are already wailing about being hit by missiles and calling them cluster bombs. Smotrich wanted sympathy from the world because his son died! The man who gleefuly smirks while killing Palestinians thinks he is owed sympathy. BTW he didn't get any.
They're sickening, an old couple died, I admit it's not nice and then I wonder how many Palestinians did they help to kill or chase off their land years ago and my sympathy tends to go out of the door. I have never known such a whining, bitching, deceptive and evil people any where else.
USA and israel are dangers to world peace and survival of human species. Two genocidal creations leading the western uncivilization and who spent their entire short existence in killing, stealing, lying, cheating.
Civil populations have been trained to blame countries and/or *leaders* for every act of civilian theft and war. Agencies such as the Rand Corporation hire committees and teams of psychologists to finely massage public rhetoric - decade after decade. The fools rush in...
"Blackrock/Vanguard flow chart: > Hire and train ignorant mercenaries located in war-torn territories. > Set up the game so there’s no chance for success regardless of mission. > Rename the mission subsequent to massive levels of collateral damage and civilian slaughter. > Offer usury loans to the defeated. > Rinse and repeat..." - Paul Vonharnish - (3/18/2016)
It's not seriously their rationale, which is more in the direction of controlling global oil supplies, keeping oil trade confined to US dollars, and using that control to keep the US deficit-based economy afloat a while longer.
But it is a rationale that appeals to a certain set of citizens, including those who are upset seeing women wearing scarves on their heads and who believe that the whole world cannot be healthy or happy unless it has the same culture (or lack thereof) as the US.
In short, the "Save the Iranians by Bombing Them" rationale appeals to a group best described as Humanitarian Imperialists. The same who would claim "Responsibility to Protect" (R2P) as justification for the bombing of Yugoslavia (1999), the destruction of Libya (2011), and the destruction of Syria (2024). All with the best of intentions, naturally.
In addition, they support ongoing funding Ukraine, US puppet in a proxy war, so that it can continue to fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian. All for the sake of saving the Ukrainians, of course.
And it turns out to be a pretty broad swath of the US public and shows how powerful indoctrination by propaganda can be. No struggle sessions required, like in Mao's China. Just hours and hours of propaganda broadcasting.
I’ve been reading & reading over here on these posts about the hegemony of the US & Israel, & as an American, I am in agreement, & I’ve learned over the past 10-20 yrs to see my country as others see it & as it really is; but I can’t swallow the Ukraine part of it.
I can’t go along with framing the Ukrainian people as the puppets of the US, & Putin as the good guy. Someone, back in the thread I’ve been following even said something about Ukraine bombing Russian nuclear facilities, & I haven’t heard of any evidence of that. So far Russia has consistently bombed civilian infrastructure such as apartments, schools, hospitals, churches; while Ukraine has confined it’s return fire to military objectives. It was Russia who struck the largest nuclear power plant in Europe & took it over, & mismanaged it to the point of nearly having an incident. I absolutely don’t understand this sudden turn by some people, into seeing the obvious dictator & war criminal, Putin, as the victim in this war of aggression. The carnage in Bucha? The repeated murders of anyone who opposes him, including Alexay Navalny, using a very specific poison from a tree frog, so that we would all know it was him. No, Putin is not the aggrieved victim here, he is evil.
Pure nonsense about freeing Iranian women. I've just read a report that more Iranian women are doctors, have higher education, work in high tech industries, more women there work in high positions in industries than women elsewhere and definitely more than American women. So, maybe it's American women who need freeing?
Around half of the scientists killed by the USA at the start of the twelve days war were women, they have equally important roles as men. At the moment, or before this last war started, 52% of University students were women.
The very USA forced them to "kill their citizens" by CIA and Mossad providing assault weapons and money to mercenaries to destabilize Iran. As they always do around the world
The true goal is control of the industrial world via control of the fossil fuel supply. I can't figure out why they are shy about saying this. They did in Venezuela.
All this killing for oil control when the world would be so much better using renewable and cut the pollution enormously. Right now the pollution from this and previous wars is killing the planet.
Time for both israel and US be thrown out of UN etc. Maybe we can get more peace then, and definitely end the one country veto.
I watched a seven-part travel vlog series by Peter Santenelli who visited Iran on his Italian passport seven years ago. In doing this, he ignored the dire warnings of the U.S. government to the effect that travel to Iran was very risky.
What he documents was happy people very similar in behavior and friendliness to people of the West. I recommend browsing through his Iran trip playlist to get an inside view.
Moment I hear one of my fellow Americans blathering about "the midterms", I recognize a hollow resonating chamber for the Times and other MSM propaganda, who'll find it nearly impossible to recognize that voting is of little consequence and that focusing on the duopoly is completely inconsequential.
I will never forget Kamala Harris saying "we have the most lethal fighting force in the world!" with a big smile on her face. This plan to control the oil supply has been going on for decades and I expect it to continue for decades more. The president has little say in the matter.
As well as Genocide Kamala " Iran is our greatest enemy" Yep she said it. 1953 summed up everything we in the u.s. planned for Iran. What you think is yours is ours.
How in the West are we going to stop our evil, depraved governments? It has to be the television that's done it, as it came out people started to change before my eyes, even in my younger years a good book beat television hands down so I think I was more aware of its effect on people. It's something I've never seen as desirable. People's lives are now lived through their television screens, they no longer seem to know what reality is, or reality as much as we can know it.
When the man from BBC licensing came around and waved his magic doodah around to see if I had one hidden around somewhere. As he left defeated he told me I would be eligible for a free license at a certain age, told him I still wouldn't be getting one.
Television is not to blame; it is just a tool. (TV news helped to turn the US population against the Vietnam war.) It is the rise of the oligarchs and their subsequent consolidation of mainstream media that turned television into the propaganda tool that it is today.
No one knows what is coming through that screen, I'm talking about when television first arrived and a lot of the time people turned it on even though it was the test card running. A large percentage of the UK population couldn't change in such a way at that time from the government etc; they weren't on the television, rarely said anything in the papers, so something else brought that about. Television was the only new thing that most all had in common.
Voting could matter if we start locally. Stop voting in zionists to local and state elections. They’re usually disguised as democrats saying all the right things but simply look at who they are, where they live or grew up and you’ll see it.
Hey pussy cat, did you see Iran has fired two missiles, 4,000 km range at the UK base, that the USA also use , on the Diego Garcia Island in the Indian Ocean. Bet that one caught Trump and Starmer by surprise. Not sure if end result as yet.
I don't care, when you've let the enemy know your new missiles can reach 4,000 km it's nice enough on its own. Bet Europe who have been letting USA use their bases are wondering if anything will head their way.
Aha. They could do with the SEJJIL that can maneuver in different directions while in the air being made to go 4,000 km. Still, today was first day ever used so maybe just slight adjustments needed, not being a missile builder I don't really know.
Those wicked people seem to think if the lie for those in power, that they will make it through this somehow, keep their money and most of all, stay alive.
I wish I could remember now when looking at a news clip in amongst other stuff, something seemed off, I replayed it more than once and I'm 95% sure the newsreader had been replaced by an AI creation, but I can't think now where I saw it on, the more I try to remember the further it drifts, maybe if I forget it for a while it will come back to me.
Please don't get me wrong, I do now realize voting for the Duopoly no matter what is said is more destructive than not voting. I do want to send a message however there are no third party candidates who have made any statements about anything that I can find and I do look for them. If we don't have someone to vote for now, we don't have someone to vote for. I will again turn my ballot in blank other than the local funding issues. The last primary, the only thing on the ballot for me, school funding. I voted for more funding and the ballot issue failed. Children will face increased classroom numbers, and less options at a time when the opposite for them is necessary. I don't want to live in a so-called community without education for children. How can education be the last on the list of needs. Sorry my friend, I blather because I am lost outside the Nation of Caitlin.
Voting local is keeping community, assuming you stay in touch with who your local district reps are. I completely understand that need, especially re: schools. And I disagree a bit about 3rd party candidates. Stein and Butch Ware were easy to vote for based on their anti-war posture. Anthony Aguilar is running in NC as a Green, so there are a few. Personally, I leave a blank for any office if my only choices are D or R. The satisfaction may be purely personal, or it may be a message. I can't be certain; I just feel certain that the current lockjaw must be cracked open.
Thank you. I worked for Jill and Butch in IL. getting ballot petition sigs. and yard signs etc. Sadly Jill was an intellectual candidate, Butch brilliant and a people person. The ticket would have been far better off Ware/Stein : ) I worked for weeks thinking the DSA were friends, they didn't even show up to collect the ballot forms. Jill didn't make the ballot in IL. which was fucking crazy as not making the ballot in New York. I reminded people you could not write in Jill Stein Butch Ware, Jill Stein Rudolph Ware, they didn't even publicize that : ( I felt like Bernie's run was the tipping point of change. Now I think we will experience pain like not felt before 1920's u.s. 1930's Germany kind of pain. Friends say when did you become an Accelerationist ha. I say, no I'm a realist. Thanks for responding.
I am really not kidding about Nation of Caitlin. Australia is so fucking far though ha. I would travel many times from Chicago to Santiago and then up to La Serena Chile and that is a beating. Of course I want to protect my own bubble ha. Maybe we could have satellite Nations of Caitlin : )
Yes I have donated to Butch for Gov. even though I don't live in Ca. I support Kshama Sawant and Jose Vega as well. The ultra anti AIPAC candidates. I always feel funny donating to candidates outside my vote but fuck israel with some of their own troops/prison guards. : )
I just put across my ballot, no vote of confidence in any party, only legal way in England you can deface it. Stops anyone using my vote for other purposes.
Even though they don't give a sh_t I feel better when I express my opinion. I think of them as loathsome insects that prey on other organisms. In other words parasites. Wait a minute! I just described all political leaders and their toadies.
Yes thank you. It's a fine start. My issue is that it's national level, and all these initially fine-looking and likely well-motivated individuals, if elected, will ultimately fall under the influence, the toxic gaseous emanations of the DNC, as history has amply demonstrated; a DNC, bought and paid for by Zionist $$. While that dynamic continues to operate, I will never waste my time voting duopoly except on the local level for someone I know as a community operative. Period.
Thank you. Western "democracies" are a failed system subject to ideological capture with every administrative churn as a result of "elections." Elections presume to allow concerned people a say in governance, while in a real system of meritocracy, they would be IN government, not sidelined from it while the moronic bullies reign.
Warmongers definitely profit, bigly. That is why they keep on doing it. This is Bush/Cheney all over again, only with higher profits for them, lasting pain and death for everyone else.
I've heard Trump use every vile descriptive word he can about the people of Iran and as a quick afterthought in case he came across as bad adding quickly "but there's some really good people there too."
I've heard him spout the rubbish as many westerners do of they force their women to wear the hijab, what a load of old cobblers but hey, knock them down with a feather, some women in Iran feel better wearing it. It's their own choice. When I was growing up in the sixties, no "decent " woman would even go to the local shops without first putting a headscarf over their hair, this was England and it just wasn't done. The pensioner women tended to wear a hat but there again most at that age in the sixties had short hair, permed for a bit of curl. There must be other's on here who can remember waiting to go out of the door while their mum fussed around tying their headscarf on, making sure it covered her hair.
If anyone really truly believes the crap our governments tell us, or channels especially like BBC and Fox News, they need to be volunteering to lead those ground troops into Iran and take the governments with them.
Yes, that's one of my bugbears, nuns fine, one seck of Israel's religion wear pretty much the same as anun but also a veil over their face, but hey ...... that's okay, they're not Muslim.
Remind me not to have blues playing in the background as my typing wants to match the rhythm, spelling mistakes and I hate editing because people think you've taken something nasty out. 🤣
I think I'm averse because few years ago I used to comment on one and the minute someone edited, the usual crowd jumped on them. Didn't hang around there for long, just left me hating edit. I'll try and get over it.
I know there was a really good rhythm going and on the above were my fault but often its altered by AI spell check jobbie, not sure where it gets some of its ideas from.
He comes pretty close to saying it at times, and we all know what he means, maybe he practice's in front of a mirror and he can't stand to say that word while looking at himself. 😉
At Demoncrat rallies as well. I was at a protest against ICE, War etc. and I heard from many of the vote Blue no matter who, " We must control social media" " We have to stop dictatorships" " We must bomb countries to control drugs" None of them knew what the Keffiyeh I was wearing meant. So it's bipartisan stupidity. The age group was mixed ages so.... it wasn't like old people like me not understanding the value of social media for unbiased coverage. A young person said the comment about controlling media.
It is also an effect of alternative media as a sole news source, which is now the case with a lot of people.
The algorithms only send you items that resonate with your prior choices, the result; far less visibility of different points of view come to your attention.
Yet at his latest rally in Kentucky they had to bus in people to give him a crowd. I personally think his approval rating nationally is around 12%. Tops.
Curious question for you, Would you vote for Massie or Paul 2028 as a alternative third party candidate. I know they are both of the Libertarian philosophy. I am not a Libertarian thinking no gov. was fine in the 1830s wear your law on your hip, I am not paying for your kids education and I don't drive on your roads. However no war putting focus back on internal conditions matters to me. I work in Astrophysics and that will never be privately funded so I have my own bias. Thank you for your thoughts.
There is enormous appeal to the idea of a third party candidate.
The logistics kill it. They have two parties trying to bring them down rather than one. So it is an uphill battle, not a race. Not sure who the Dems have, Harris was a failure IMO.
On the Rep side, I see Vance as the Tech billionaire candidate vs Rubio the AIPAC candidate as the way the Republician party candidacy plays out, at least as of now.
Vance has the appeal IMO of a wet sock, it's possible he could improve but with Theil behind him I see him as a nonstarter. Rubio may go down with Trump because of the Cuba, Iran, Venezula lunacy as well as his being Mrs. Anderson's darling. She had wanted Trummp to chose Rubio as VP.
I do see Tucker making a run, he would have the Murdoch backing so he will be well funded and Murdoch would guarentee favorable press. I see him running as either a Dem or a Rep, but don't see him as an Independent because of the uphill factor..
Back to your question! I would dearly love Massie and Paul as a ticket, it would resurrect the MAGA crowd who by the time the 2028 rolls around will want all of congress tarred and feathered other than these two.
And Independents, who were the deciding vote for Trump would come out for them as well. Now they both have the natures of curmudgeons, but at that point with the debt being insane, the world may be ready for two sane, intelligent, time tested curmudgeons.
And Massie has an arrow in his quiver that no one else possesses, he fought and is fighting for justice for Epstein victims, that issue is not going away. I see it everywhere on social media. Everywhere.
"They’re not fighting for causes they’d be willing to die for, they’re sending other people’s sons and daughters to kill other people’s sons and daughters for extremely stupid and unworthy reasons. Because they’re never the ones to pay the price."
Committing genocide, bombing girls at school and killing negotiators while negotiating peace twice doesn't inspire anyone to cheer the USA on.
"I can’t get over how many leftists bought into the “we support the Iran protests” schtick. Where the fuck did you idiots think this was headed? What did you think you were promoting when you assisted the US empire’s regime change sloganeering throughout the west? Fucking morons".
Anti-imperialist does not mean anti-American any more than Zionist means Jewish. We Americans didn't even start learning this, in relation to our own Empire, until the Vietnam War, but it's been 60 years since then and most of us are simply not as stupid as the Epstein Class needs for us to be.
For the first time since they started taking polls at the beginnings of wars, a clear majority of the American people were staunchly opposed to a new imperial war at its start. This one's different, and Israel and our MIC will soon discover just how different this one is.
Sorry but as an English person I just wish to say, Fuck Winston Churchill, a malignant piece of crap, cruel to his very core, like Trump, renowned for his lies, his absolute sadism, his love of tipping back the whisky bottle and finally, god forbid, his love of pre- pubescent boys.
Hello Mr. Craig Smith, fellow countryman. Yep, 4 million Bengali's died of starvation because we, the British stole all of their crops and refused to let them have any back. 4 million right there under Winston's orders. I've seen the photographs, heartbreaking, poor, poor people. And Winston C had photographs taken to drool over, never realizing some of us would one day see them.
The entire WWII fiasco was driven by petroleum cartels, Rothschilds Bank, Barklays Bank of London, the Bank of England, and of course, Swiss/Vatican ties through the Bank(s) for International Settlement.
Did you know after the first world war when people were much more sensible, the department of misinformation told the people that 6 million Jews had been gassed by the Germans, sensible people called him out and laughed at the lie, he ended up having to admit it was just propaganda, apologise to the government ( as if the main ones didn't know) and apologise to the German people as well.
Yes. The "six million" figure is as old as Phoenicia, possibly even older. It was bullshit in 1919, was bullshit in 1945, and is still bullshit today...
Stalin starved and slaughtered tens of millions of persons of Polish and German descent, along with persons of *gypsy* origin. He also directly caused the Holodomor/Ukrainian famine. Thanks to persons of Mr Churchills bee-bee sized caliber, Joseph Stalin escaped any scrutiny of wrong doing.
I can tell you one thing about both Lenin and Stalin, before they took their positions of power in Russia, they both under their real Jewish names. seperate times of course, went and spent some time in the City of London, only one name comes to mind who they were visiting. For Jack the Ripper buffs, Lenin was mentioned in the police files because he used to visit someone he knew in Whitechapel. I shall take a look at your link shortly, I'm going to be busy with Prof Marandi who apparently now has a bounty on his head by Ukraine and Israel.
If you get on a website with all the covers of like the New York paper, nearly every week the 6 million is mentioned all of the time. Collect money or 6 million Jews will die of starvation and any other reason you can think of.
Keep in mind that britain's remaining claim to global status stems entirely from its position as America's Special Little Bitch. Hence the need to constantly invoke The God-Emperor Winston I, to get Americans embroiled in fights, so that the british can demonstrate their slavish loyalty.
Take away the US and britain is reduced to a flavor-challenged backwater ruled nominally by a hereditary inbred, where they never shut up about long-past glories.
😱😳 Doesn't beat thinking about, there again there's plenty here in the UK doing the same. Hell, most people still believe his lie that hundreds of small boats crossed the channel to rescue soldiers from Dunkirk.
“The dominant culture of the world teaches us that The Other is a threat, that our fellow human beings are a danger. We will all continue to be exiles in one form or another as long as we continue to accept the paradigm that the world is a racetrack or a battlefield.”– Eduardo Galeano
The Billionaires and Elites who manipulate us and our children to launch Crusades and blood soaked Wars like it that way. They want us fighting over immigrants and gays and which God is the true God, or the big Evil Iran is about to bomb us all. Just as long as the sheep don't figure out whom the real wolf is amongst them.
When Caitlin writes "The American far right lives in a fantasy world where the United States would ordinarily be a beneficent, peaceful utopia if not for Israel, despite the fact that the US has been steeped in the blood of the innocent throughout its entire history since long before Israel existed" for documented proof concerning this statement, please read David Vine's 'The United States of War: A Global History of America's Endless Conflicts, From Columbus to The Islamic States' also, Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz 'Not A Nation of Immigrants: Settler Colonialism, White Supremacy, and A History of Erasure and Exclusion' and 'An Indigenous Peoples' History of The United States' also, the very short (36 pages) 'War is a Racket' by Marine General Smedley Butler who likens The United States Government to Organized Crime: THE MOB! Good, well informative reading.
It is a good reading list but I would add, "White Trash: The 400--Year Untold History Of Class In America" by Nancy Isenberg author of Fallen Founer. I had to send to the US to get a copy of it.
America needs to rid itself of the sickening military worship so pervasive in its society. Only then can we move toward a non-imperialistic bend in its foreign policy. But the MIC sees no benefit in educating the masses for it stands to lose obscene amounts of profits from its war industry. The beast is too strong to tame and the military too ingrained in the hearts and minds of the public.
I don't, can't stand aggressors and bullies, anyone who needs to use brute force to get their own way, I steer clear of while keeping an eye on what they're up to
"Humans naturally gravitate towards and identify with aggressors and bullies."
Not at all. The propaganda is mostly about pretending to be a victim of the others' aggression. Even the Nazis did that.
Some people -- I'd guess about 25% -- approve of limitless aggression. But they know they are a minority so they control the majority through propaganda and, if necessary, the fear of being sanctioned, beaten, imprisoned, tortured, or killed.
Sadly, most Americans over 40 still fall for the propaganda around ‘terrorists’ and will continue to cheer for war while pondering ‘why do they hate our freedom?’ when the war hits airports, a mall, grocery stores & food chain, electricity grids, water, etc. Expect it.
USA - “ but Iran is killing its citizens!” so in response we need to kill their citizens , so their citizens will see that we are trying to save them by carpet bombing them , sanctioning them, destroying everything we can think of-
This is seriously their “ rationale “
The rationale is irrelevant. Any rationale will do.
I read a straight faced comment that Iranian civilian deaths were Iran's fault because Iran knew that the Americans target civilians. Like blaming a rape victim for not just giving it up.
Reminds me of Golda Meir's comment that, "We cannot forgive the Arabs for forcing us to kill their children."
"Look what you made me do!" is a well-worn favorite in the abuser's toolkit.
Sickeningly evil remark.
If Golda's remarks doesn't sum up her fellow Zionists' motivation for committing genocide and war crimes all over West Asia, I don't know what else does.
Because they wanted to steal the land those Arabs had lived on for thousands of years. Talk about supreme hypocrit.
well said Davina
Perfectly reflects jewish supremacist ideology. That is who they are.
By that rational every driver going over the speed limit by 20mph while driving round a blind corner will no longer be arrested for running over the child, person crossing the road because it will be the dead person's fault.
Of course the rationale is absurd. In the end, it boils down to "might is right" and "my trobe over all".
Pretend a terrorist attack were to happen. Gee, I wonder why? Cue up the anguished wailing "How could they do something so awful to US!"
I want to laugh at that but sadly that is exactly what they would wail.
The Israelis are already wailing about being hit by missiles and calling them cluster bombs. Smotrich wanted sympathy from the world because his son died! The man who gleefuly smirks while killing Palestinians thinks he is owed sympathy. BTW he didn't get any.
They're sickening, an old couple died, I admit it's not nice and then I wonder how many Palestinians did they help to kill or chase off their land years ago and my sympathy tends to go out of the door. I have never known such a whining, bitching, deceptive and evil people any where else.
Sorry about the typos. It's hard to type with paws.
Maybe try with your claws out?
I blame spellcheck, especially when it changes my words to others, that is so annoying because sometimes it ends up as gobbledegook.
Trim the claws 2F.
USA and israel are dangers to world peace and survival of human species. Two genocidal creations leading the western uncivilization and who spent their entire short existence in killing, stealing, lying, cheating.
No argument from me. What does anyone propose to do do about it?
War. Resistance.
Nor me.
Civil populations have been trained to blame countries and/or *leaders* for every act of civilian theft and war. Agencies such as the Rand Corporation hire committees and teams of psychologists to finely massage public rhetoric - decade after decade. The fools rush in...
"Blackrock/Vanguard flow chart: > Hire and train ignorant mercenaries located in war-torn territories. > Set up the game so there’s no chance for success regardless of mission. > Rename the mission subsequent to massive levels of collateral damage and civilian slaughter. > Offer usury loans to the defeated. > Rinse and repeat..." - Paul Vonharnish - (3/18/2016)
It's not seriously their rationale, which is more in the direction of controlling global oil supplies, keeping oil trade confined to US dollars, and using that control to keep the US deficit-based economy afloat a while longer.
But it is a rationale that appeals to a certain set of citizens, including those who are upset seeing women wearing scarves on their heads and who believe that the whole world cannot be healthy or happy unless it has the same culture (or lack thereof) as the US.
In short, the "Save the Iranians by Bombing Them" rationale appeals to a group best described as Humanitarian Imperialists. The same who would claim "Responsibility to Protect" (R2P) as justification for the bombing of Yugoslavia (1999), the destruction of Libya (2011), and the destruction of Syria (2024). All with the best of intentions, naturally.
In addition, they support ongoing funding Ukraine, US puppet in a proxy war, so that it can continue to fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian. All for the sake of saving the Ukrainians, of course.
And it turns out to be a pretty broad swath of the US public and shows how powerful indoctrination by propaganda can be. No struggle sessions required, like in Mao's China. Just hours and hours of propaganda broadcasting.
I’ve been reading & reading over here on these posts about the hegemony of the US & Israel, & as an American, I am in agreement, & I’ve learned over the past 10-20 yrs to see my country as others see it & as it really is; but I can’t swallow the Ukraine part of it.
I can’t go along with framing the Ukrainian people as the puppets of the US, & Putin as the good guy. Someone, back in the thread I’ve been following even said something about Ukraine bombing Russian nuclear facilities, & I haven’t heard of any evidence of that. So far Russia has consistently bombed civilian infrastructure such as apartments, schools, hospitals, churches; while Ukraine has confined it’s return fire to military objectives. It was Russia who struck the largest nuclear power plant in Europe & took it over, & mismanaged it to the point of nearly having an incident. I absolutely don’t understand this sudden turn by some people, into seeing the obvious dictator & war criminal, Putin, as the victim in this war of aggression. The carnage in Bucha? The repeated murders of anyone who opposes him, including Alexay Navalny, using a very specific poison from a tree frog, so that we would all know it was him. No, Putin is not the aggrieved victim here, he is evil.
Pure nonsense about freeing Iranian women. I've just read a report that more Iranian women are doctors, have higher education, work in high tech industries, more women there work in high positions in industries than women elsewhere and definitely more than American women. So, maybe it's American women who need freeing?
Around half of the scientists killed by the USA at the start of the twelve days war were women, they have equally important roles as men. At the moment, or before this last war started, 52% of University students were women.
Exactly.
We do!! Free education, free childcare, free universal health care would all help American women.
That’s what Israelis get - paid for by Americans
The very USA forced them to "kill their citizens" by CIA and Mossad providing assault weapons and money to mercenaries to destabilize Iran. As they always do around the world
MI6 were there as well, they always are, the trio from hell rarely work separately.
The true goal is control of the industrial world via control of the fossil fuel supply. I can't figure out why they are shy about saying this. They did in Venezuela.
This is a double hit, control of oil but also to fulfill Israel's desire to expand its land.
All this killing for oil control when the world would be so much better using renewable and cut the pollution enormously. Right now the pollution from this and previous wars is killing the planet.
Time for both israel and US be thrown out of UN etc. Maybe we can get more peace then, and definitely end the one country veto.
Yes I am sure wiping out large groups of civilians will somehow "free" them. Insane imperialist logic
USA - “ but Iran is killing its citizens!”
This sounds like so much BS propaganda to me.
I watched a seven-part travel vlog series by Peter Santenelli who visited Iran on his Italian passport seven years ago. In doing this, he ignored the dire warnings of the U.S. government to the effect that travel to Iran was very risky.
What he documents was happy people very similar in behavior and friendliness to people of the West. I recommend browsing through his Iran trip playlist to get an inside view.
First Impressions of Iran 🇮🇷 (anti-American?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TWNXneUrMY
Moment I hear one of my fellow Americans blathering about "the midterms", I recognize a hollow resonating chamber for the Times and other MSM propaganda, who'll find it nearly impossible to recognize that voting is of little consequence and that focusing on the duopoly is completely inconsequential.
I will never forget Kamala Harris saying "we have the most lethal fighting force in the world!" with a big smile on her face. This plan to control the oil supply has been going on for decades and I expect it to continue for decades more. The president has little say in the matter.
As well as Genocide Kamala " Iran is our greatest enemy" Yep she said it. 1953 summed up everything we in the u.s. planned for Iran. What you think is yours is ours.
Kamala, Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clintons, etc. All the same garbage and war criminals.
well said Mr. Douglas. Red or blue, just two sides of the same bloodstained imperialist coin
How in the West are we going to stop our evil, depraved governments? It has to be the television that's done it, as it came out people started to change before my eyes, even in my younger years a good book beat television hands down so I think I was more aware of its effect on people. It's something I've never seen as desirable. People's lives are now lived through their television screens, they no longer seem to know what reality is, or reality as much as we can know it.
When the man from BBC licensing came around and waved his magic doodah around to see if I had one hidden around somewhere. As he left defeated he told me I would be eligible for a free license at a certain age, told him I still wouldn't be getting one.
Television is not to blame; it is just a tool. (TV news helped to turn the US population against the Vietnam war.) It is the rise of the oligarchs and their subsequent consolidation of mainstream media that turned television into the propaganda tool that it is today.
No one knows what is coming through that screen, I'm talking about when television first arrived and a lot of the time people turned it on even though it was the test card running. A large percentage of the UK population couldn't change in such a way at that time from the government etc; they weren't on the television, rarely said anything in the papers, so something else brought that about. Television was the only new thing that most all had in common.
So , what was this change?
Voting could matter if we start locally. Stop voting in zionists to local and state elections. They’re usually disguised as democrats saying all the right things but simply look at who they are, where they live or grew up and you’ll see it.
Of course. Team D argues about procedures, never the war itself. As if the Holocaust just needed cleverer and cagier lawyers.
Democrats and liberals, Front Row Kids to the marrows of their bones, love arguments over procedures.
Hey pussy cat, did you see Iran has fired two missiles, 4,000 km range at the UK base, that the USA also use , on the Diego Garcia Island in the Indian Ocean. Bet that one caught Trump and Starmer by surprise. Not sure if end result as yet.
Yes. Pity they didn't hit anything.
I don't care, when you've let the enemy know your new missiles can reach 4,000 km it's nice enough on its own. Bet Europe who have been letting USA use their bases are wondering if anything will head their way.
Well, further along those lines, Dimona also got a couple of near misses.
It was an answer and on purpose. Just to show what can happen.
Aha. They could do with the SEJJIL that can maneuver in different directions while in the air being made to go 4,000 km. Still, today was first day ever used so maybe just slight adjustments needed, not being a missile builder I don't really know.
And we know that from BBC? Or CNN? Or Fox? All "respectable and honest" news media that would never lie.
I have seen no report otherwise.
Those wicked people seem to think if the lie for those in power, that they will make it through this somehow, keep their money and most of all, stay alive.
I wish I could remember now when looking at a news clip in amongst other stuff, something seemed off, I replayed it more than once and I'm 95% sure the newsreader had been replaced by an AI creation, but I can't think now where I saw it on, the more I try to remember the further it drifts, maybe if I forget it for a while it will come back to me.
Please don't get me wrong, I do now realize voting for the Duopoly no matter what is said is more destructive than not voting. I do want to send a message however there are no third party candidates who have made any statements about anything that I can find and I do look for them. If we don't have someone to vote for now, we don't have someone to vote for. I will again turn my ballot in blank other than the local funding issues. The last primary, the only thing on the ballot for me, school funding. I voted for more funding and the ballot issue failed. Children will face increased classroom numbers, and less options at a time when the opposite for them is necessary. I don't want to live in a so-called community without education for children. How can education be the last on the list of needs. Sorry my friend, I blather because I am lost outside the Nation of Caitlin.
Voting local is keeping community, assuming you stay in touch with who your local district reps are. I completely understand that need, especially re: schools. And I disagree a bit about 3rd party candidates. Stein and Butch Ware were easy to vote for based on their anti-war posture. Anthony Aguilar is running in NC as a Green, so there are a few. Personally, I leave a blank for any office if my only choices are D or R. The satisfaction may be purely personal, or it may be a message. I can't be certain; I just feel certain that the current lockjaw must be cracked open.
Here are some non AIPAC options, it's one way to approach the problem
https://www.trackaipac.com/endorsements
Excellent! Thanks. Let's pass this around.
Thank you. I worked for Jill and Butch in IL. getting ballot petition sigs. and yard signs etc. Sadly Jill was an intellectual candidate, Butch brilliant and a people person. The ticket would have been far better off Ware/Stein : ) I worked for weeks thinking the DSA were friends, they didn't even show up to collect the ballot forms. Jill didn't make the ballot in IL. which was fucking crazy as not making the ballot in New York. I reminded people you could not write in Jill Stein Butch Ware, Jill Stein Rudolph Ware, they didn't even publicize that : ( I felt like Bernie's run was the tipping point of change. Now I think we will experience pain like not felt before 1920's u.s. 1930's Germany kind of pain. Friends say when did you become an Accelerationist ha. I say, no I'm a realist. Thanks for responding.
I am really not kidding about Nation of Caitlin. Australia is so fucking far though ha. I would travel many times from Chicago to Santiago and then up to La Serena Chile and that is a beating. Of course I want to protect my own bubble ha. Maybe we could have satellite Nations of Caitlin : )
Butch for CA governor (Green): Medicare 4 All. Smash the War Machine
https://www.butchware4gov.com/
Jill's an intellectual, but she has a good heart.
Yes I have donated to Butch for Gov. even though I don't live in Ca. I support Kshama Sawant and Jose Vega as well. The ultra anti AIPAC candidates. I always feel funny donating to candidates outside my vote but fuck israel with some of their own troops/prison guards. : )
I just put across my ballot, no vote of confidence in any party, only legal way in England you can deface it. Stops anyone using my vote for other purposes.
Yes. I write "none of the above". on my ballots.
Great. I think it's better to do what we do instead of simply not bothering.
Even though they don't give a sh_t I feel better when I express my opinion. I think of them as loathsome insects that prey on other organisms. In other words parasites. Wait a minute! I just described all political leaders and their toadies.
You did. 😄
Here are some non AIPAC options, it's a start....
https://www.trackaipac.com/endorsements
Yes thank you. It's a fine start. My issue is that it's national level, and all these initially fine-looking and likely well-motivated individuals, if elected, will ultimately fall under the influence, the toxic gaseous emanations of the DNC, as history has amply demonstrated; a DNC, bought and paid for by Zionist $$. While that dynamic continues to operate, I will never waste my time voting duopoly except on the local level for someone I know as a community operative. Period.
I absolutely agree.
on the list i heard of cori bush, greg stoker (mint press guy), and kshama sawant.
Thank you. I was trying to come up w/ Greg Stoker, but my proper name retrieval brain functionality has gone to shite.
We're all being overloaded at the moment, makes it harder to remember some things, it's the same for me.
Thank you. Western "democracies" are a failed system subject to ideological capture with every administrative churn as a result of "elections." Elections presume to allow concerned people a say in governance, while in a real system of meritocracy, they would be IN government, not sidelined from it while the moronic bullies reign.
Not only do the warmongers not pay the price, there a very high likelihood they are profiting bigly on it.
No kidding. Merchants of death.
SUPER bigly.
I see what you did : ). Yes and I am interested how you think this plays out short and long term.
Profiting for sure.
Warmongers definitely profit, bigly. That is why they keep on doing it. This is Bush/Cheney all over again, only with higher profits for them, lasting pain and death for everyone else.
I've heard Trump use every vile descriptive word he can about the people of Iran and as a quick afterthought in case he came across as bad adding quickly "but there's some really good people there too."
I've heard him spout the rubbish as many westerners do of they force their women to wear the hijab, what a load of old cobblers but hey, knock them down with a feather, some women in Iran feel better wearing it. It's their own choice. When I was growing up in the sixties, no "decent " woman would even go to the local shops without first putting a headscarf over their hair, this was England and it just wasn't done. The pensioner women tended to wear a hat but there again most at that age in the sixties had short hair, permed for a bit of curl. There must be other's on here who can remember waiting to go out of the door while their mum fussed around tying their headscarf on, making sure it covered her hair.
If anyone really truly believes the crap our governments tell us, or channels especially like BBC and Fox News, they need to be volunteering to lead those ground troops into Iran and take the governments with them.
Problem is we only hear NEWS from the point of view of the west.
Absolutely 100% correct about English women putting on headscarves before the went out (don't forget the hair curlers!)
How come a Nun can wear a black habit and always cover their hair........such bloody weternised nonsense.
Oh those curlers, prickly things.
Yes, that's one of my bugbears, nuns fine, one seck of Israel's religion wear pretty much the same as anun but also a veil over their face, but hey ...... that's okay, they're not Muslim.
Remind me not to have blues playing in the background as my typing wants to match the rhythm, spelling mistakes and I hate editing because people think you've taken something nasty out. 🤣
I edit all the time. People still seem to like my posts. Despite some horrendous grammar. I'm clueless why too.
I think I'm averse because few years ago I used to comment on one and the minute someone edited, the usual crowd jumped on them. Didn't hang around there for long, just left me hating edit. I'll try and get over it.
I know there was a really good rhythm going and on the above were my fault but often its altered by AI spell check jobbie, not sure where it gets some of its ideas from.
NOT Possible to readd or write with music playing........music with no words OK.
No words on it, just a rhythm my fingers were tapping letters to.
Why doesn’t Trump just say "subhumans" and be done with it?
..... or "untermensch" like the Nazi he is.
He comes pretty close to saying it at times, and we all know what he means, maybe he practice's in front of a mirror and he can't stand to say that word while looking at himself. 😉
You're entirely correct. I'm in Canada and I remember my mother always wore a kerchief over her hair when we went anywhere.
And yet all the stupid uproar about Muslims. Glad other people remember.
can confirm the scarves up to mid 70's.
That's roughly the same time period I remember.
I'm still trying to my head around the propaganda of "Iran killed tens of thousands of protesters"
MAGAts claim that Iranian armed troops killed more people in 2 days than Israel killed in two years of bombing Palestine. And they truly believe this.
This is why they are so intent on blanket censorship of media. It's effective mind control, and has been that way for thousands of years.
It turns out you can if the audience is stupid enough. And you can find lots of those people at Trump rallies.
At Demoncrat rallies as well. I was at a protest against ICE, War etc. and I heard from many of the vote Blue no matter who, " We must control social media" " We have to stop dictatorships" " We must bomb countries to control drugs" None of them knew what the Keffiyeh I was wearing meant. So it's bipartisan stupidity. The age group was mixed ages so.... it wasn't like old people like me not understanding the value of social media for unbiased coverage. A young person said the comment about controlling media.
It is also an effect of alternative media as a sole news source, which is now the case with a lot of people.
The algorithms only send you items that resonate with your prior choices, the result; far less visibility of different points of view come to your attention.
Plato's Cave at work..
I look at honest right wing sources too. They are OK but the comments from their viewers are so gross I can't read them.
I often think such comments are from bots, there is a real effort to denegrate the MAGA movement much like what was done to the Tea Party voters.
Unfortunately, lately it’s not the only place
Yet at his latest rally in Kentucky they had to bus in people to give him a crowd. I personally think his approval rating nationally is around 12%. Tops.
From your lips to God’s ears.
I was absolutely delighted. Kenucky was once a strong supporter.
No more, especially after his attacks on their favorite sons; Massie and Paul.
Curious question for you, Would you vote for Massie or Paul 2028 as a alternative third party candidate. I know they are both of the Libertarian philosophy. I am not a Libertarian thinking no gov. was fine in the 1830s wear your law on your hip, I am not paying for your kids education and I don't drive on your roads. However no war putting focus back on internal conditions matters to me. I work in Astrophysics and that will never be privately funded so I have my own bias. Thank you for your thoughts.
There is enormous appeal to the idea of a third party candidate.
The logistics kill it. They have two parties trying to bring them down rather than one. So it is an uphill battle, not a race. Not sure who the Dems have, Harris was a failure IMO.
On the Rep side, I see Vance as the Tech billionaire candidate vs Rubio the AIPAC candidate as the way the Republician party candidacy plays out, at least as of now.
Vance has the appeal IMO of a wet sock, it's possible he could improve but with Theil behind him I see him as a nonstarter. Rubio may go down with Trump because of the Cuba, Iran, Venezula lunacy as well as his being Mrs. Anderson's darling. She had wanted Trummp to chose Rubio as VP.
I do see Tucker making a run, he would have the Murdoch backing so he will be well funded and Murdoch would guarentee favorable press. I see him running as either a Dem or a Rep, but don't see him as an Independent because of the uphill factor..
Back to your question! I would dearly love Massie and Paul as a ticket, it would resurrect the MAGA crowd who by the time the 2028 rolls around will want all of congress tarred and feathered other than these two.
And Independents, who were the deciding vote for Trump would come out for them as well. Now they both have the natures of curmudgeons, but at that point with the debt being insane, the world may be ready for two sane, intelligent, time tested curmudgeons.
And Massie has an arrow in his quiver that no one else possesses, he fought and is fighting for justice for Epstein victims, that issue is not going away. I see it everywhere on social media. Everywhere.
True. But then Trump was singing a completely different tune when he was looking for American votes.
Come to think of it, Democrats do the same goddamn thing.
That's why I always say, reverse all they tell you and you'll be right 98% of the time.
It's the tribal instinct. Even ants and bees have had it for a hundred million years.
True. And they seem to be reproducing or something also.
We can never forget this:
"They’re not fighting for causes they’d be willing to die for, they’re sending other people’s sons and daughters to kill other people’s sons and daughters for extremely stupid and unworthy reasons. Because they’re never the ones to pay the price."
Committing genocide, bombing girls at school and killing negotiators while negotiating peace twice doesn't inspire anyone to cheer the USA on.
"I can’t get over how many leftists bought into the “we support the Iran protests” schtick. Where the fuck did you idiots think this was headed? What did you think you were promoting when you assisted the US empire’s regime change sloganeering throughout the west? Fucking morons".
Bravo Caitlin! 👏 🤗 💐
The same demoncrat idiots support ukraine although everyone knows ukrainians are used as cannon fodder in a proxy war to weaken Russian Federation.
I'm so tired of idiot broadcasters categorizing and labeling people.
Gee, what if I'm just a human and I disagree with killing and maiming other people?
What if I'm just a human, and I think we should live and let live?
That doesn't give you the right to pigeonhole me, asshole. I'm not part of your game.
The fear on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
Well said.
Anti-imperialist does not mean anti-American any more than Zionist means Jewish. We Americans didn't even start learning this, in relation to our own Empire, until the Vietnam War, but it's been 60 years since then and most of us are simply not as stupid as the Epstein Class needs for us to be.
For the first time since they started taking polls at the beginnings of wars, a clear majority of the American people were staunchly opposed to a new imperial war at its start. This one's different, and Israel and our MIC will soon discover just how different this one is.
The new CNN polling is showing overwhelming support now for war on Iran. Shocking isn't it now that CNN is owned by israel.
And that is one doozy of a poll.
Listen carefully to what the announcer says. He says in a survey of Trump supporters, 100% support him.
DUHHHHHHH.
The empire of lies by definition never tells the truth. One lie is defended by a bigger lie and so ad infinitum.
Big Dictator will lead the masses to glorious victory!
Who did CNN ask: Their own staff? Fox News? MSNBC (or now called MS Now)? Trump Cult? Hillary Cult? Everyone in Washington DC? All of the above?
Just a coincidence 😉😆
They don't have to make the populace cheer. If they can do so, great, the job is that much easier.
If not, the rulers do what they want to anyway. Winston Churchill may be ritually invoked.
Sorry but as an English person I just wish to say, Fuck Winston Churchill, a malignant piece of crap, cruel to his very core, like Trump, renowned for his lies, his absolute sadism, his love of tipping back the whisky bottle and finally, god forbid, his love of pre- pubescent boys.
Well said, as a fellow English person I know Churchill was a racist, imperialist piece of shit
Set the army to shoot at striking miners and caused a famine in India.
He spent WW2 pissed on whisky, chain smoking expensive cigars and feeding his fat face whilst the ordinary people faced strict rationing.
Hello Mr. Craig Smith, fellow countryman. Yep, 4 million Bengali's died of starvation because we, the British stole all of their crops and refused to let them have any back. 4 million right there under Winston's orders. I've seen the photographs, heartbreaking, poor, poor people. And Winston C had photographs taken to drool over, never realizing some of us would one day see them.
Churchill was a perfect natural leader of the "western civilization". All what you need to know about the "west" and their "freedom and democracy" BS.
Exactly.
Hello Veronica Baker. Correct. Winston Churchill was an absolute piece of shit. I could never stomach seeing the picture of him sitting smugly with Stalin and Roosevelt >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yalta_Conference_(Churchill,_Roosevelt,_Stalin)_(B%26W).jpg >>> as his jewish balling buddies lied about the alleged holocaust.
The entire WWII fiasco was driven by petroleum cartels, Rothschilds Bank, Barklays Bank of London, the Bank of England, and of course, Swiss/Vatican ties through the Bank(s) for International Settlement.
Three Jews in a row.
Did you know after the first world war when people were much more sensible, the department of misinformation told the people that 6 million Jews had been gassed by the Germans, sensible people called him out and laughed at the lie, he ended up having to admit it was just propaganda, apologise to the government ( as if the main ones didn't know) and apologise to the German people as well.
Yes. The "six million" figure is as old as Phoenicia, possibly even older. It was bullshit in 1919, was bullshit in 1945, and is still bullshit today...
Stalin starved and slaughtered tens of millions of persons of Polish and German descent, along with persons of *gypsy* origin. He also directly caused the Holodomor/Ukrainian famine. Thanks to persons of Mr Churchills bee-bee sized caliber, Joseph Stalin escaped any scrutiny of wrong doing.
I downloaded this link 14 years ago. War with Iran! Are you kidding me? says Dennis Kucinich >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mShdimN9Tl0
Quoted: "We cannot pretend that the United States is in a position where we can, or have the right, or have the money, to rule the world." [End quote]
Some things never change. Best regards.
are the 6 and 10 million from the same source?
I can tell you one thing about both Lenin and Stalin, before they took their positions of power in Russia, they both under their real Jewish names. seperate times of course, went and spent some time in the City of London, only one name comes to mind who they were visiting. For Jack the Ripper buffs, Lenin was mentioned in the police files because he used to visit someone he knew in Whitechapel. I shall take a look at your link shortly, I'm going to be busy with Prof Marandi who apparently now has a bounty on his head by Ukraine and Israel.
If you get on a website with all the covers of like the New York paper, nearly every week the 6 million is mentioned all of the time. Collect money or 6 million Jews will die of starvation and any other reason you can think of.
why do you know these things of lenin and stalin?
That's the papers from early 1900's through to world war two.
Well, watching American humans beat off to St. Winston is equally nauesating.
They have been lied to, about everything. As we all have.
If you visit the WW2 exibit in London, which BTW is exquisitely done, you would walk away assuming he was a God.
Keep in mind that britain's remaining claim to global status stems entirely from its position as America's Special Little Bitch. Hence the need to constantly invoke The God-Emperor Winston I, to get Americans embroiled in fights, so that the british can demonstrate their slavish loyalty.
Take away the US and britain is reduced to a flavor-challenged backwater ruled nominally by a hereditary inbred, where they never shut up about long-past glories.
Feral, the same is true of all Amerikas' allies ( vassals ).
True, they are a mess, and now over stocked as they are with out of towners, I doubt muchof their culture wil suvive this century.
😱😳 Doesn't beat thinking about, there again there's plenty here in the UK doing the same. Hell, most people still believe his lie that hundreds of small boats crossed the channel to rescue soldiers from Dunkirk.
The only time I vote in the USA is when I vote for Aaron Bushnell.
“The dominant culture of the world teaches us that The Other is a threat, that our fellow human beings are a danger. We will all continue to be exiles in one form or another as long as we continue to accept the paradigm that the world is a racetrack or a battlefield.”– Eduardo Galeano
The Billionaires and Elites who manipulate us and our children to launch Crusades and blood soaked Wars like it that way. They want us fighting over immigrants and gays and which God is the true God, or the big Evil Iran is about to bomb us all. Just as long as the sheep don't figure out whom the real wolf is amongst them.
When Caitlin writes "The American far right lives in a fantasy world where the United States would ordinarily be a beneficent, peaceful utopia if not for Israel, despite the fact that the US has been steeped in the blood of the innocent throughout its entire history since long before Israel existed" for documented proof concerning this statement, please read David Vine's 'The United States of War: A Global History of America's Endless Conflicts, From Columbus to The Islamic States' also, Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz 'Not A Nation of Immigrants: Settler Colonialism, White Supremacy, and A History of Erasure and Exclusion' and 'An Indigenous Peoples' History of The United States' also, the very short (36 pages) 'War is a Racket' by Marine General Smedley Butler who likens The United States Government to Organized Crime: THE MOB! Good, well informative reading.
It is a good reading list but I would add, "White Trash: The 400--Year Untold History Of Class In America" by Nancy Isenberg author of Fallen Founer. I had to send to the US to get a copy of it.
Fallen Founder.
America needs to rid itself of the sickening military worship so pervasive in its society. Only then can we move toward a non-imperialistic bend in its foreign policy. But the MIC sees no benefit in educating the masses for it stands to lose obscene amounts of profits from its war industry. The beast is too strong to tame and the military too ingrained in the hearts and minds of the public.
Americans worship the military because it is powerful. Humans naturally gravitate towards and identify with aggressors and bullies.
i wouldn't say they 'naturally' do. could be 'hard' learned behaviour. they can also learn to chose flight and try to shun aggressors and bullies.
Most don't.
aggressors and bullies are in charge of the largest part of the globe. few places to flee to. aggressors and bullies teach the submissive behaviour.
I don't, can't stand aggressors and bullies, anyone who needs to use brute force to get their own way, I steer clear of while keeping an eye on what they're up to
"Humans naturally gravitate towards and identify with aggressors and bullies."
Not at all. The propaganda is mostly about pretending to be a victim of the others' aggression. Even the Nazis did that.
Some people -- I'd guess about 25% -- approve of limitless aggression. But they know they are a minority so they control the majority through propaganda and, if necessary, the fear of being sanctioned, beaten, imprisoned, tortured, or killed.
Ive seen enough mobs to think otherwise.
Sadly, most Americans over 40 still fall for the propaganda around ‘terrorists’ and will continue to cheer for war while pondering ‘why do they hate our freedom?’ when the war hits airports, a mall, grocery stores & food chain, electricity grids, water, etc. Expect it.