Caitlin poses the most relevant and significant question we all should be asking at this time. A time of genocide, capitalism degenerating into fascism, of oligarchical dominance, small puny men ruling the world to feed their insatiable profit motive. In fact the worst of times.
A young man acts alone risking everything, against a health industry which exploits human beings at their most vulnerable.
He hasn't stood alone against a health industry though has he. The hero and villain is a narrative we're being fed. He's randomly murdered an individual who did well out of the capitalist system.
The whole system, we'e all part of, exploits someone or something.
Even if we could take the whole lot down, we'd need something to replace it with. Which we ain't got.
Even if we boycotted not just Starbucks but all the other multinationals (who benefit from the boycott), and stopped using Amazon, fossil fuels, animal ag, stopped smoking, drinking, gambling, exposing ourselves to ads on social media, ate healthy so we didn't need pharma nor insurance we'd still need an economic system up and ready or we'd all die.
Because of the climate crisis that system will have to be based on service and not on growth nor increased production.
Instead of jumping up and down with glee about the death of a loved human being; I suggest we start some serious brain storming.
Yes... Mangione's actions seem to be real thought provoking........ Lots of questions are bound to arise from Thompson's murder, and oligarchs may face a slew of disquieting concerns about their own safety. So much to learn from this event, but will the power elite succeed in keeping most of the facts under wraps? Could create a new chapter in the defense of justice. In fact, since the real guilt of letting patients die because of a lack of funds to fight the Health Empire, Mangione's defense plan could even involve a self-defense plea... as in protecting future patients from discriminating practices.....
I don’t celebrate what he did. It’s awful. Everyone has their hands dirty in the system INCLUDING Luige himself and his wealthy family. Probably should’ve started with himself. He’s no hero
And I assume the working people know what's being done to them. Despite that every morning they wake up and go to work. Capitalists tell them what to do and they do it.
Do we really think the world is divided into these people. Are we not workers when we go to work, and do very well, out of pharma, animal testing, insurance, fossil fuel extraction, animal farming? If the global majority decided to take the law into their own hands as Mangione has, what would be the cut off income for complicity and oligarch status- seeing as millions of them have nothing thanks to the west?
"Do we really think the world is divided into these people" - many apparently do. I responded in kind, simplistically, doesn't mean I agree with the premise.
"Capitalist' includes anyone who's benefited from neocolonialism - that's the entire western middle class ( us). We know what we are doing. We've always known what we do to the first and developing nations and we don't care.
It also includes anyone whose ever eaten animal products from a factory farm.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
The "Power Elite" brought this upon themselves. They suppress, oppress, and exploit OTHERS (through their systems or directly through their decisions and actions). The systems are designed so that the "ordinary people" can't fight back (in any realistic or fair way). It seems that ordinary people have no other recourse. So should people just sit back and face the abuses of the systems of the "oligarchs, global corporations, masters of the global financial system, etc." or should they resort to whatever means they have at their disposal? Should people just QUIETLY DIE due to the abuses of UNJUST SYSTEMS so as to not perturb/disturb the status quo of these "Power Elite" or should people fight back against them?
History is replete with events and examples of "ordinary people" fighting back against POWER. What we're witnessing now is nothing new. It has happened thousands of time before in human history.
LUIGI MANGIONE IS A HERO (whether he intended to be one or not), just like AARON BUSHNELL IS A HERO (whether he intended to be one or not).
Billionaires are a curse/virus/disease to humanity AND the planet. Any SYSTEMS that allow the creation of "such obcene wealth" based on the exploitation and suffering of others (as we are already witnessing in Gaza and Palestine) should be OBLITERATED.
All of us white nosed are pretty much in a club against those with brown ones. Our countries steal their resources and land, keep them in debt and low paid. And we've always known about it, yet because it makes us comfortably off, we do nothing about it.
I think 9/11 was faked to start the Iraq war on 'terror' however, by the reasoning of the supporters of Mangione, the First and 'developing' nations (and there are many more of them than us) have every right for a real 9/11 and to mow each one of us down in the street.
Time to make the Holy Land holy again. The best thing Pope Francis could ever do is to make his stand in Gaza, or Bethlehem. He has an opportunity that is unequalled, to say "no" to genocide. If Gaza is no longer an option, thanks to the total blockade by Israel. He could even go to the West Bank, Beirut, or even Teheran.
May it be his road to Damascus moment, and say, “Not in our name, not on our watch.”
Combatants for Peace is an Israeli organization made up of former soldiers and fighters, both Israelis and Palestinians who have turned their life efforts towards peace. They can use your help. https://cfpeace.org In the USA, you can support through the American Friends of Combatants for Peace at https://www.afcfp.org
Operation Olive Branch
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It is extremely painful to read even the headlines of Corporate media's shillling of Brian Thompson; one even had the cheek to label that CEO overlord a "hero" *Blech!*. Who the hell are the elite oligarchs fooling but themselves?
A state monopoly on violence/justice is more efficient, unless it doesn't work. The Game Theory of Giving Up Private Justice or Ending The State Monopoly On Violence
In the state of nature, if someone does you wrong, it’s up to you and your mates to deal with it. This often means violence.
For most of English history there was no police force. Republican Rome had no police. There was law, but it was often privately enforced and often families and friends would take vengeance for wrongs. This led to rather a lot of violence and death, as well as feuds, where violence would continue long beyond the original offense.
Private justice; private vengeance thus comes with huge downsides, so in many societies we give up our right to use violence to right wrongs. We give that right to government in some form, and we reap the benefits of safety and that, in principle, stronger groups can’t bully those who are too weak to obtain their own justice.
The benefits are huge and everyone with sense recognizes that going back to private justice, to saying “they did me or mine wrong, I should beat or kill them” will mean a huge loss of public safety.
But whenever there’s a situation where changing from the status quo entails a huge cost there will be those who say “in that margin, I can benefit. All I have to do is take just a little less than the cost of change.”
How many people does private insurance and denials of care kill? It’s certainly, at least, in the tens of thousands.
What happens is simple enough. Some people, rich and powerful, get the right to harm others for money: the government doesn’t go after them for killing or hurting people. This is true of private equity buying companies, larding them up with debt then running them into bankruptcy so that many of their employees wind up impoverishing and homeless, for example. It was true of bankers causing a financial crisis. It is true of pharma jacking up prices or bosses stealing employees wages and water companies in the UK dumping sewage into the river and giving the money intended to clean sewage to their executives and investors.
None of this is punished by the law, yet people suffer.
But the cost of going back to private justice is HIGH and the transition cost, where the police and courts will charge those who enforce private justice with crimes, while not charging those who kill thousands with crimes, is awful.
So the bet by those who commit what has come to be called “social murder” is that they can get away with it: the cost of private justice is too high.
Still, there’s always the temptation to take a little more, then a little more and then a little more. To think, “well, I’m so rich I can have bodyguards and travel by helicopter and private jet and armored limo. The peons can’t get to me.” ...
Respectfully, I suggest a slightly different take. We tend, in most of the West at least, to see good and evil as two distinct and unrelated characteristics, and we tend also to think that we can slot people into 'good' v 'bad' in some simple binary action.
I see the death of the CEO as a tragedy. Capitalism is built on this sort of tragedy. It is inevitable. It is built into a system that reduces people to commodities, that sees people only useful for the role they can perform within the system to energise the system, produce profit, discard thsoe who are not useful.
It is a tragedy that a person can become the CEO of a company that exists to exploit the pain of others and turn that pain into monetary reward. 'How can a person do that sort of work', one may ask. And the man that killed him? We may be shocked or outraged at that act but lets be honest here, the system commits outrage every second of every minute of every day of the year. Functionaries of the system are behind the drone attacks; behind the secret and extreme rendition and torture; behind every governmet overthrown; behind every poverty stricken member of every death squad the system has ever employed.
I realise that my assertion sounds like 'society is to blame' and that individuals are not, and to an extent, yes, that is what I am saying. But I think that on a deeper level we must eventually realise that if we construct systems whose raison detre is to crush the human spirit in service of profit, then this is the sort of tragedies we get. The people who actively run the system are immune from either the despair that led to the shooting or the despair that followed the death of the CEO.
Is Caitlin Propoganda? I have heard Obomber gave U.S. Hope Change and Believe, and killed many in 6 or 7 Nations. Biden canceled student debt and gave Free Healthcare for all, right? Free Palestine.
It's either both, or neither, who the are real 'criminals'. We're all products of our conditioning. What makes us think that given the same upbringing and opportunities as the 'oligarch class' we'd be immune to either our education or the lure of the bonus. We're not inherently different to them.
Opposing the random lashing out at the system doesn't make me a bad person. Just like supporting it doesn't make you a good one. It means you've fallen for the narrative we're being fed.
I hope can see who stands to gain by everyone buying more guns.
When the First Nation's whose land you stole and the nations you colonised whose labour and land funds your lifestyle, come for you and your family, I'll tell them that you fully support their action.
We are the real criminals. Supporting the shooting one of our own gangsters doesn't make one little bit of difference nor in anyway stop the crimes we're all complicit in. Though it might make us think that we're doing something to help the little guy and stop further exploitation.
IMPORTANT: Klitschko family lawyer Sukhanov (https://t.me/zimovskyAL/34736) was arrested while accepting a million dollar bribe, which he accepted for resolving issues related to the allocation of an elite land plot in the Kiev city council.
The money is vacuum-packed, $100,000 in each pack. It is clear that it is straight from American aid, unopened.
Caitlin poses the most relevant and significant question we all should be asking at this time. A time of genocide, capitalism degenerating into fascism, of oligarchical dominance, small puny men ruling the world to feed their insatiable profit motive. In fact the worst of times.
A young man acts alone risking everything, against a health industry which exploits human beings at their most vulnerable.
Who is the hero? Who are the culprits?
He hasn't stood alone against a health industry though has he. The hero and villain is a narrative we're being fed. He's randomly murdered an individual who did well out of the capitalist system.
The whole system, we'e all part of, exploits someone or something.
Even if we could take the whole lot down, we'd need something to replace it with. Which we ain't got.
Even if we boycotted not just Starbucks but all the other multinationals (who benefit from the boycott), and stopped using Amazon, fossil fuels, animal ag, stopped smoking, drinking, gambling, exposing ourselves to ads on social media, ate healthy so we didn't need pharma nor insurance we'd still need an economic system up and ready or we'd all die.
Because of the climate crisis that system will have to be based on service and not on growth nor increased production.
Instead of jumping up and down with glee about the death of a loved human being; I suggest we start some serious brain storming.
Great cover art! (We know who the real criminals are, don't we?)
Thank You Caitlin
Yes... Mangione's actions seem to be real thought provoking........ Lots of questions are bound to arise from Thompson's murder, and oligarchs may face a slew of disquieting concerns about their own safety. So much to learn from this event, but will the power elite succeed in keeping most of the facts under wraps? Could create a new chapter in the defense of justice. In fact, since the real guilt of letting patients die because of a lack of funds to fight the Health Empire, Mangione's defense plan could even involve a self-defense plea... as in protecting future patients from discriminating practices.....
I don’t celebrate what he did. It’s awful. Everyone has their hands dirty in the system INCLUDING Luige himself and his wealthy family. Probably should’ve started with himself. He’s no hero
I will shed no tears for any capitalist. They know what they're doing. They have always known what they do to working people and they don't care.
And I assume the working people know what's being done to them. Despite that every morning they wake up and go to work. Capitalists tell them what to do and they do it.
Do we really think the world is divided into these people. Are we not workers when we go to work, and do very well, out of pharma, animal testing, insurance, fossil fuel extraction, animal farming? If the global majority decided to take the law into their own hands as Mangione has, what would be the cut off income for complicity and oligarch status- seeing as millions of them have nothing thanks to the west?
Perhaps we should all start sweating.
"Do we really think the world is divided into these people" - many apparently do. I responded in kind, simplistically, doesn't mean I agree with the premise.
"Capitalist' includes anyone who's benefited from neocolonialism - that's the entire western middle class ( us). We know what we are doing. We've always known what we do to the first and developing nations and we don't care.
It also includes anyone whose ever eaten animal products from a factory farm.
Will I shed tears when one of is murdered?
Depends if I knew them I guess.
I disagree completely!
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
The "Power Elite" brought this upon themselves. They suppress, oppress, and exploit OTHERS (through their systems or directly through their decisions and actions). The systems are designed so that the "ordinary people" can't fight back (in any realistic or fair way). It seems that ordinary people have no other recourse. So should people just sit back and face the abuses of the systems of the "oligarchs, global corporations, masters of the global financial system, etc." or should they resort to whatever means they have at their disposal? Should people just QUIETLY DIE due to the abuses of UNJUST SYSTEMS so as to not perturb/disturb the status quo of these "Power Elite" or should people fight back against them?
History is replete with events and examples of "ordinary people" fighting back against POWER. What we're witnessing now is nothing new. It has happened thousands of time before in human history.
LUIGI MANGIONE IS A HERO (whether he intended to be one or not), just like AARON BUSHNELL IS A HERO (whether he intended to be one or not).
Billionaires are a curse/virus/disease to humanity AND the planet. Any SYSTEMS that allow the creation of "such obcene wealth" based on the exploitation and suffering of others (as we are already witnessing in Gaza and Palestine) should be OBLITERATED.
Good on you Chang.
Maybe Luige Mangione and Aaron Bushnell have started a Revolution.
In which we buy lots of guns, randomly lash out at people richer than ourselves or set ourselves on fire. Super.
Luckily, we already have lots of guns. Chairman Mao: Revolution can only come through the barrel of a gun.
Oh, and I have several pitchforks if anyone need borrow one.
It’s great how well Mao’s ideas worked out for the Chinese people.
Or we could employ guillotines like the French did, Jo. That might actually be more fun.
I volunteer to hold the basket.
If you could explain the last peaceful revolution to me, I’d be all ears.
Right-fuckin’-ON, Chang!
👍👍👍
Can’t say I agree with you.
No matter because ‘they’ won’t let you in their club no matter how brown your nose is.
All of us white nosed are pretty much in a club against those with brown ones. Our countries steal their resources and land, keep them in debt and low paid. And we've always known about it, yet because it makes us comfortably off, we do nothing about it.
I think 9/11 was faked to start the Iraq war on 'terror' however, by the reasoning of the supporters of Mangione, the First and 'developing' nations (and there are many more of them than us) have every right for a real 9/11 and to mow each one of us down in the street.
Right on Michael. I think we're in the minority.
Yes, you are.
Time to make the Holy Land holy again. The best thing Pope Francis could ever do is to make his stand in Gaza, or Bethlehem. He has an opportunity that is unequalled, to say "no" to genocide. If Gaza is no longer an option, thanks to the total blockade by Israel. He could even go to the West Bank, Beirut, or even Teheran.
May it be his road to Damascus moment, and say, “Not in our name, not on our watch.”
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Operation Olive Branch
Grassroots movement to support & amplify aid requests of Palestinian families
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It is extremely painful to read even the headlines of Corporate media's shillling of Brian Thompson; one even had the cheek to label that CEO overlord a "hero" *Blech!*. Who the hell are the elite oligarchs fooling but themselves?
A state monopoly on violence/justice is more efficient, unless it doesn't work. The Game Theory of Giving Up Private Justice or Ending The State Monopoly On Violence
In the state of nature, if someone does you wrong, it’s up to you and your mates to deal with it. This often means violence.
For most of English history there was no police force. Republican Rome had no police. There was law, but it was often privately enforced and often families and friends would take vengeance for wrongs. This led to rather a lot of violence and death, as well as feuds, where violence would continue long beyond the original offense.
Private justice; private vengeance thus comes with huge downsides, so in many societies we give up our right to use violence to right wrongs. We give that right to government in some form, and we reap the benefits of safety and that, in principle, stronger groups can’t bully those who are too weak to obtain their own justice.
The benefits are huge and everyone with sense recognizes that going back to private justice, to saying “they did me or mine wrong, I should beat or kill them” will mean a huge loss of public safety.
But whenever there’s a situation where changing from the status quo entails a huge cost there will be those who say “in that margin, I can benefit. All I have to do is take just a little less than the cost of change.”
How many people does private insurance and denials of care kill? It’s certainly, at least, in the tens of thousands.
What happens is simple enough. Some people, rich and powerful, get the right to harm others for money: the government doesn’t go after them for killing or hurting people. This is true of private equity buying companies, larding them up with debt then running them into bankruptcy so that many of their employees wind up impoverishing and homeless, for example. It was true of bankers causing a financial crisis. It is true of pharma jacking up prices or bosses stealing employees wages and water companies in the UK dumping sewage into the river and giving the money intended to clean sewage to their executives and investors.
None of this is punished by the law, yet people suffer.
But the cost of going back to private justice is HIGH and the transition cost, where the police and courts will charge those who enforce private justice with crimes, while not charging those who kill thousands with crimes, is awful.
So the bet by those who commit what has come to be called “social murder” is that they can get away with it: the cost of private justice is too high.
Still, there’s always the temptation to take a little more, then a little more and then a little more. To think, “well, I’m so rich I can have bodyguards and travel by helicopter and private jet and armored limo. The peons can’t get to me.” ...
..This isn’t, of course, an endorsement. It’s analysis. It’s in no one’s interest for the situation to become so awful that ending the state monopoly on violent justice makes cold hard rational sense for millions of people. But that appears to be where we’re heading, if we aren’t there already. https://www.ianwelsh.net/the-game-theory-of-giving-up-private-justice-or-ending-the-state-monopoly-on-violence/
Respectfully, I suggest a slightly different take. We tend, in most of the West at least, to see good and evil as two distinct and unrelated characteristics, and we tend also to think that we can slot people into 'good' v 'bad' in some simple binary action.
I see the death of the CEO as a tragedy. Capitalism is built on this sort of tragedy. It is inevitable. It is built into a system that reduces people to commodities, that sees people only useful for the role they can perform within the system to energise the system, produce profit, discard thsoe who are not useful.
It is a tragedy that a person can become the CEO of a company that exists to exploit the pain of others and turn that pain into monetary reward. 'How can a person do that sort of work', one may ask. And the man that killed him? We may be shocked or outraged at that act but lets be honest here, the system commits outrage every second of every minute of every day of the year. Functionaries of the system are behind the drone attacks; behind the secret and extreme rendition and torture; behind every governmet overthrown; behind every poverty stricken member of every death squad the system has ever employed.
I realise that my assertion sounds like 'society is to blame' and that individuals are not, and to an extent, yes, that is what I am saying. But I think that on a deeper level we must eventually realise that if we construct systems whose raison detre is to crush the human spirit in service of profit, then this is the sort of tragedies we get. The people who actively run the system are immune from either the despair that led to the shooting or the despair that followed the death of the CEO.
Is Caitlin Propoganda? I have heard Obomber gave U.S. Hope Change and Believe, and killed many in 6 or 7 Nations. Biden canceled student debt and gave Free Healthcare for all, right? Free Palestine.
Remember the one from Napoleon "You kill one, you are a "murderer" you kill millions you are a "conqueror"
Astonishing portrait of Luigi, Caitlin! Your talents are truly endless.
It's either both, or neither, who the are real 'criminals'. We're all products of our conditioning. What makes us think that given the same upbringing and opportunities as the 'oligarch class' we'd be immune to either our education or the lure of the bonus. We're not inherently different to them.
Opposing the random lashing out at the system doesn't make me a bad person. Just like supporting it doesn't make you a good one. It means you've fallen for the narrative we're being fed.
I hope can see who stands to gain by everyone buying more guns.
When the First Nation's whose land you stole and the nations you colonised whose labour and land funds your lifestyle, come for you and your family, I'll tell them that you fully support their action.
We are the real criminals. Supporting the shooting one of our own gangsters doesn't make one little bit of difference nor in anyway stop the crimes we're all complicit in. Though it might make us think that we're doing something to help the little guy and stop further exploitation.
Total bollocks.
IMPORTANT: Klitschko family lawyer Sukhanov (https://t.me/zimovskyAL/34736) was arrested while accepting a million dollar bribe, which he accepted for resolving issues related to the allocation of an elite land plot in the Kiev city council.
The money is vacuum-packed, $100,000 in each pack. It is clear that it is straight from American aid, unopened.
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