The narrative has been spun so hard that I'm dizzy with disgust.
Meanwhile, horrific murders are explained away by highly-paid apologists. This feeds into human tendency to turn away from unbearable suffering and smoothly distance ourselves from uncomfortable complicity.
I think what he meant is that the system finds a way to dull down people's feelings. The barrage of lies turns people away which is just as good as what you're suggesting.
I never rely on the mainstream media for any information regarding politics, other then a movie schedule, and little if anything else. The mainstream news just wraps you in lies.
As long as you know that a lot of it is fluff, exaggeration, a bit off the truth, or just a flat out lie, it can be good to know what is being said to others and about the world. We are all part of the same mess. It can be helpful to know what those who don't agree with us are being fed.
I already know they are supporting Israel on this issue and not a word said about the absolute carnage they are perpetrating, just a mindless indifference to a mass slaughter, and I so hate them for that and I can't watch them do it, and won't watch them spew their propaganda. They do not deserve my attention.
It dulls down the "unfavorable" feelings like ones against the state and exaggerates the ones they seek to manipulate like outrage and empathy they use to manipulate people with.. Subliminal brain washing using the best parts of people as a trigger button to be installed..
Thats the clever trick..control both sides of the phoney arguments and keep people corraled in to a narrow perception all the while making them think they are getting the opposite of their chosen perceived enemy.. Its the bread and circus just dressed up as "news"
I agree, but now it's no more then propaganda and lies, and I can't watch it anymore. Now all channels support Israel and it's genocidal attack and it infuriates me. I can't watch them sideline all the death and destruction in support of Netanyahu whom I've always hated. There was a movie I went to see a while back on Yitzhak Rabin, and the people going to this theater were primarily Jewish and someone posted a picture on Netanyahu on the wall, and he looked like a monster, but no one took it down. I never liked him myself, and can't see the US do a dance with him now.
My friend and I used to work for someone whose office radio played the likes of Hannity, et al. I used to object, but she’d tell me, “ It’s important to know how the enemy thinks”.
Imagine those whose profession it is to watch the news no matter where it comes from. One must possess a certain type of psyche to deal with that. The professional deformation is inevitable. I'd be wary of such people.
I used to have a job where I had to find articles relating to where I worked. At that time there were often articles of interest in many of the smaller newspapers. Sadly, they are being taken over by bigger entities now. I noticed a lot of things. There is at least one new oil leak every single day somewhere and it is often heading into our drinking water. I noticed that those in power only worry about some water systems being polluted. They aren't too worried about water on indigenous land (usually junky land somewhere out of the way that the colonizers didn't want at the time they gave it away). There is quite a lot of information in any news. You just have to know how to read it. Anyway, you should be wary of me I guess after having such a mind destroying job as that.
As i have agreed with you on most things some of your unfortunate easily fallen into behavior patterns have made me quite wary of you to date... And you started out so well behaved and reasonable too?
Interesting how little it takes to spark off those deep seated social and cultural conditioned pedestrian behavior patterns when the slightest challenge doth triggered them..
But as i have seen self examination of these types of conditioning mental tactics and methods are even unknown to its victims of it while they are using them.. Uncanny how Caitlin's attempt to elucidate certain people from their jacked in matrix paradigm is the very essence of the entire point of how brain washing of the social and culture is permeated into the brain stems of the average proletarians so they do not even notice they suffer from it.
And then they proceed to demonstrate the very traits like its a knee jerk reaction they have no control over.....fascinating !
Outrage grows after ‘chilling call for genocide’ by Florida Republican
Michele Salzman's number 850-717-5001 I called.
Calls to censure Michelle Salzman, who said, ‘All of them’ when Democrat asked: ‘How many [dead Palestinians] will be enough?’
Outrage continues to grow over a public comment made by a Florida state Republican lawmaker calling for all Palestinians to die.
The remarks came during a debate in the state legislature about calling for a ceasefire in Israel’s invasion of Gaza, which has so far killed more than 10,000 Palestinians, many of whom are children. The assault came after Hamas fighters attacked Israel from Gaza, killing at least 1,400 people and taking more than 200 hostage.
In the speech in support of the ceasefire resolution, the Democratic Florida state representative Angie Nixon said: “We are at 10,000 dead Palestinians. How many will be enough?”
Were you referring to the Hedges article? Over a hundred thousand to start in NY, and no teacher starts, or ends with that salary. Have you been in a hospital lately, seen any bed side nursing lately, or AIDS do their job? So if you're really sick you need an advocate. Here's a summary of what happens when you wind up in a nursing home " Spare me your bullshit. www.singlecare.com/blog/news/long-term-care...
An estimated 1 to 3 million serious infections occur in long-term care settings each year. (CDC, 2020) Throughout a three-year study, the yearly mortality rate of nursing home residents was 32%. (PLOS One, 2018) From 2011 to 2017, 56.1% of nursing home residents with advanced illnesses were transferred to a hospital for care.
Yeah, but I don't want to do it, because then I would have to watch, and even the short clips they show make me sick. Their contempt for their audience is disgusting, but to watch them sell their souls for money is worse.
Indeed they're terrible, for well informed people watching the box becomes a form of torture, one way or another we still need to be up to date on current affairs in order to challenge that ill informed narrative and demolish it with verifiable truths.
My analysis of the present situation locates most of the pathology in what I call "Capital". (There are other pathologies in action too, but Capital appears to be the most vigorous and best-organized.) In order to reduce or eliminate the power of Capital I try to demonstrate or otherwise support different, non-violent, cooperative forms of social organization. At present these activities have to be local and pretty small-scale, because if there is one thing power freaks know how to do it is to capture and pervert large-scale political and social movements and turn them into weapons.
Fair question, though delivered with exasperation, Phisto.
Locally, I work in-person with activists and authors exposing media treachery, such as my neighbor, Tony Brasunas, who published Red, White and Blind this year. https://www.redwhiteandblind.com/
Here's my review:
***** 5.0 out of 5 stars
With media messaging, one must learn to discern the truth
Reviewed in the United States on July 22, 2023
I might summarize Tony Brasunas' meticulously researched compendium of media malfeasance with this sentence: "Develop a nose for the narrative, so you can sniff out which stories stink."
Spoiler alert: They pretty much all do.
Disclaimer: That was already my assessment before reading Red White & Blind. Since 2003 and the Iraq war, I followed alt-media sources almost exclusively for news and analysis. I knew that propaganda and media narrative manipulation were blatant and pervasive in the MSM. Yet, even I was astounded by the number of examples given, many which I remembered and then many more which I had forgotten.
This has been going on for a long time and not by accident and ever accelerating in recent times with the application of sophisticated psychological techniques and information dissemination technologies. There has always been bias in reportage which Tony classifies as three types: innocent bias, systemic bias and nefarious bias. (Bad, worse, worst)
As a remedy, Tony suggests a "balanced media diet," including a wide variety of sources and viewpoints. This is much like the dietary advice for healthy eating: Consume predominantly natural foods, fresh and minimally processed. Avoid (or ingest sparingly) heavily processed, nutritionally bereft items filled with toxic additives for the sake of taste and texture. Don't be a member of the gullible public that swallows anything.
The problem with this approach of just using it all and falling in the middle is. What if it's all bad? Or false or lies? Many alternatives are simply repackaged bull shit skewing things off in crazy directions to poison the well or just distract people down garden paths.
My fundamental method to decern truth from fiction is cultivating a deep sens of integrity and intellectual courage but still I can get my own perceptions warped by very clever alternative and main stream media trickery that's thrust in my face every where I go from billboard to tv's on in buisness's. The Orwellian tellascreens are everywhere now.
So I come from a position that everything is assumed a lie till proven otherwise. Lying will and is the reason I think humans are going to go extinct.
Outrage grows after ‘chilling call for genocide’ by Florida Republican
Michele Salzman's number 850-717-5001
Calls to censure Michelle Salzman, who said, ‘All of them’ when Democrat asked: ‘How many [dead Palestinians] will be enough?’
Outrage continues to grow over a public comment made by a Florida state Republican lawmaker calling for all Palestinians to die.
The remarks came during a debate in the state legislature about calling for a ceasefire in Israel’s invasion of Gaza, which has so far killed more than 10,000 Palestinians, many of whom are children. The assault came after Hamas fighters attacked Israel from Gaza, killing at least 1,400 people and taking more than 200 hostage.
In the speech in support of the ceasefire resolution, the Democratic Florida state representative Angie Nixon said: “We are at 10,000 dead Palestinians. How many will be enough?”
I think that they know that know that this is the end of reality, and that just as in the case of radio galaxies that sit at the edge of time; just as prophesied by the Kabbalah, time runs in circles, and the snake will swallow it's own tail, and life will go on forever; for them at least, but then there's always that nagging, "What if not?" Which, of course, is different from everyone else's lack of faith. So, what's the big fear of death? Jim Jones and his 900 followers did it with a swallow of Kool-Aid; or don't you have that much faith, or is it that you just don't have the time to die right now? Actually, I have my own fantasies, some of which actually come true, but not always a happy ending for some.
I am not even disgusted anymore as I find it childish, pathetic and predictable...
The narrative has always been there as it is today; same same ... look at the cold war, the Iraq invasion, Afghanistan invasion, Libya, Sudan, Rwanda and and and ... look at the 2008 "financial crash" and before that WWI and WWII plus plus....
These globalist parasitical scum have had SO long and so many resources to plan this takeover for decades (at least)and maybe it worked in their eyes with the jabs ... say 50-70 percent dumb arses took them... but a huge minority of what 30-50 percent did not ... and the second group have not only awakened BUT are fighting back. The same is true on climate change, 15-minute neighbourhoods, the imminent alien attack and all the other BS they spew out.
I dunno. Seems there should be a better way. Slitting 20 throats in one night? No matter whose throats were slit that must generate some pretty hefty, not good, karma.
As I use this exact point that we now see how it can easily happen even after and especially when the official story has frightened us into fearing it to keep us also in line..I suspect that the Germany of the 40s was not the accurate history we are told by the victors who paint a one sided story even to this day.. Not to mention it's the only historical event in history you are not allowed to research or study or question by law if it's not within the official narative..
I'm not saying I know it did or didn't happen as an atrocity but most people still think they had been systematically gassing people..this is a provable lie. But I don't want to start that fight because of how much emotionally invested in it most people have been conditioned into..but this whole conversation is about mind control yet question certain posible mind control insertions that have been emotionally charged and people refuse to even doubt or question the possibility they are being fooled there too.
Ah the subliminally emotionally created control levers are so easily installed and worked by the social engineers.
Thank you..this thread is a real demonstration into what i was talking about... you mention any of these sanctified held beliefs might be false or misleading and they go right into the emotionally triggered responses and go on an attack...you can see the pattern clearly in my interaction with m'r Russian bot who i agree with on most other things and how angry it made him and then to be so dismissive he became from a simple statement of questioning narratives.. its ironic and uncanny how this was all demonstrated within this thread,, and how some cant or wont even examine it and stay blind to its inner workings of their own psychy so they can no longer be the slightest objective.. Lucky i don't live in the days of the Spanish inquest with this guy...
"Not to mention it's the only historical event in history you are not allowed to research or study or question by law if it's not within the official narative." - not allowed by whom? How exactly?
"most people still think they had been systematically gassing people..this is a provable lie." - what is the proof?
Are you saying Nazi documents used in various researches and books by historians, writers, etc are falsified? Books by those who were there, like Shirer's two Berlin diaries are not credible? Fiction written by contemporaries like Remarque who experienced that which they wrote about is just that, fiction? Notes, letters, etc, that is, non-fiction from the likes of Remarque regarding the period are false too?
Maybe you should read a book or two by Paul Rassinier? Or Germar Rudolf or Carlo Mattogno.
Holocausthandbooks is both a good site and an excellent series of books. No political claptrap but documents and research into more or less every aspect of the hyperbolic narrative, which is nothing more than wartime atrocity horror stories. The difference (sorry, one of them) between WWI and WWII is that after WWI the UK apologised for the war propaganda lies they spread about Germany and German soldiers during the war. After WWII the Allies needed a worse crime (committed by the Germans) than their own war crimes, e.g. carpet bombing Germany, fire bombing German cities targeting the parts with the most dense residential areas, etc., and Zionists needed to paint a picture that would make the (Western) world look the other way when the Zionists set their plans in motion to ethnically cleanse Palestine.
Paul Rassinier’s recounting of his time as an inmate in two different concentration camps (Buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora) was a real eye-opener for me. It has been years since I read his first-hand account, but one of the salient details that has always stuck with me was his explanation of how the day-to-day administration of the camps was largely carried out by the inmates themselves – as they are typically in all concentration camps, apparently. Hence, the true villains of the camps were often the ones making up the most heinous lies about them after the war, in the attempt to hide their own guilty deeds.
If I recall, one question Rassinier identified as needing further research was that of what became of the European Jews who were displaced during and after the war? Where did they all end up? Some went to Palestine, but the numbers who immigrated there did not account for all the “missing” European Jews.
I recently stumbled across what might be the answer to Rassinier’s question, in the 1951 book “The Iron Curtain Over America” by John Beaty. In a chapter where Beaty traces the immigration of Eastern European Jews to America, he examines the numbers of Jews in the U.S. as cited by the official Census Bureau statistics by the end of WWII. Curiously, he found that “On other religions, the latest government statistics are mostly for the year 1947, but for Jews the 1936 figure remains… As to the total number of Jews in the United States the government has no exact figures, any precise figures beyond a vague ‘over five million’ being impossible because of incomplete records and illegal immigration.” According to Beaty, government reports further stated that “In 1937, Jews constituted less than 4 percent of the American people, but during the 7-year period following (1937-43), net Jewish immigration to the United States ranged between 25 and 77 percent of total net immigration to this country.”
Can you answer the questions I asked ChazLB to back up his specific claims? That was all I was interested in. It was very specific.
As for propaganda - sure, during an event, just like now, propaganda is rampant and truth is nowhere to be found. Decades later when and if we get access to original documents and multiple historians and researchers independently work on them and come up with works that we can look at and compare - only then we can reason about the event.
Are you also questioning Nazi documentation? Are you questioning Hitler's "Mein Kampf"? Can you point to specific documents/doctrines from the Allies that would specify extermination of the German race as a policy, for example?
More people should read Mein Kampf (My Struggle), by Adolf Hitler. If they did, what would probably surprise most would be to find out that the single-dimensional figure they’ve been taught about doesn’t actually exist.
Hitler was a kind of genius, and not an evil one. I don’t agree with everything he says in Mein Kampf, but his ideas certainly warrant discussion, criticism and debate, even today.
What I found to be one of the most striking passages from the book was this (from p.242-3 of the Official Stalag Edition English translation):
“…in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corruptible in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily bad, and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than to the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters, but would be ashamed to resort to large scale falsehood. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so are put clearly before them, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation, for the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down – a fact which all expert liars in this world and all who conspire together in the art of lying know only too well and exploit in the basest manner.”
The better informed among us have probably heard some version of the quote (possibly attributed to Joseph Goebbels)… but chances are most of us wouldn’t be aware of that last bit, where Hitler essentially equates The Big Lie with the “basest” of activities.
Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in 1924-5, and the Big Lie he was referring to in the above passage had to do with deceptions that had been spread about WWI. Little did he know how prophetic his words would be over two decades later, as the victors of WWII started to write their version of history.
Alice Miller, a psychologist, in her book " Hidden Cruelty in child-rearing and the Roots of Violence" writes that Hitler was severely beaten by his father when he was a child. She wonders that the world might be a different place if Hitler had not been an abused child. After reading her book I wondered about a lot of the people in power. I wonder if Netanyahu was beaten as a child.
That Hitler is portrayed as some sort of a moron or imbecile has done a great disservice and helped sustain his ideas and worship. "Mein Kampf" is prohibited in many countries which is an imbecility as it implies its power. Instead it should be studied and explained re its power and how true bits combine with false ones to arrive at eventual horror.
Anyone who read Hitler's biographies would realize this was a disciplined man dedicated to studying, learning and honing his skills. Health nut, vegetarian, loved dogs, children, and on and on.
That said, he also validates the notion of evil. He was evil - a smart, intelligent, therefore incredibly dangerous evil man. Caricaturing him sometimes seems like a purposeful thing done by the rulers to help propagate his heritage. So far it proved to be working.
However, if you are truly enamored by the man, Sieg Heil to you and may you burn in hell with your Führer.
I could write a little about those things but I don't want to get banned for wrong-think. I have studied the topic, without a predetermined preferred result. I followed the evidence where it led. If you really want to continue the conversation we can do so in private. Unless you crave an audience.
No need to write explicitly here if you don't want to.
Just provide links/references that would lead to documents/works verifiable in the manner I described. I won't be checking some bloggers saying this and that, intimating such and such.
Also, no need to go private. I don't crave anything - whatever prompted you to say that - but the claims of that magnitude for sure would be interesting to many more people than just the "in-" type.
David Cole and Ryan Dawson did an interview talking about the gas chambers being reconstructed after the war as the originals had been destroyed..the reproductions matched the story not the other way around.
And as soon as he made those claims from his research he was attacked from all directions..you don't even need laws to cancel culture people who won't but the naratives.. And as I pony out it's so easy to create that emotional investments in the outrage planted deep into people's bran stem that they well up in anger of the simple mentioning of doubt and that is exactly how the mind control works people over even when they think they are the most clever in the barell.
David Cole’s tour of Auschwitz was my introduction to questioning what I have come to think of as the Hollywood version of the Holocaust. I hate to admit it now, but at the time, I needed someone who was Jewish to give me permission to even entertain certain thoughts.
Ann,, yes and to your great credit you had the inttelectual courage to see past the indoctrination part of the story and seek out some deeper truths to it.. I never said it didn't happen per day but like interning Japanese in the USA and striping them of their property and freedom out of some misplaced fear and bigotry and ignorance, to assume them all spys for Japan..same way Palestinian are now blamed for every existentialist fears of the isrslies...we are dealing with the same problem as did the Germans citizens demonized and abused during and after the war. (Dresdin bombings), etc as well as bigotry towards refugees then and now.
My family is a product of war as many are , people running away from war and horrors in trauma effects generations..but then we have a generation later with secondary traumatised by exaggerated story too and as I just mentioned somewhere else in these threads emotionally invested in the belife is a way propaganda can be reinforced psychologically by tapping into people's innate empathy and using it to sway them to hold those belifes as writ in stone. Fear outrage is manipulated and some manipulate as accusations you are playing the victim's... This convoluted languages as weapons against each other. So that the perpetrators use crazy making to confuse and confound and insert their own agenda within.. I pay attention to the larger pictures of patterns of behavior and actions,,They tell the real story.. Sad humans feel they must lie at every turn for survival but that's what trauma and fear create. And psycopaths who seek power use that as a tool to manipulate..
There are lots of different people saying all kinds of different things. At the time Nazis were denying everything and it wouldn't be surprising that there would be those who'd pick up on that later on.
What matters is documents. Originals. And research and publications based on those by various people from various organizations, countries, etc.
Certain countries have outlawed research into it if it does not follow the official sanctioned pattern...they arrested some old lady in Germany for it..
As I mentioned the emotional investments in the outrage porn has a deep effect on people's psychy so that they stay locked in and cherry pick only what will cooperate their own emotional investments..
Im not going down the argument road of disscussing the event as it miers people down into usless posturing.
Lots of people wright books and story's of percived events that may or may not be true... Hidden motivations often expose their agendas
"Certain countries have outlawed research into it if it does not follow the official sanctioned pattern...they arrested some old lady in Germany for it."
I think the brave woman you are speaking of is Ursula Haverbeck. She has served multiple prison terms in Germany for the crime of asking someone – anyone – to show her evidence of any operational gas chambers in any of the WWII era concentration camps run by the Germans.
She gave a really great interview about all this in 2015 with the German Panorama show:
Couple simple concrete questions and you folded? Offering "answers" like "Certain countries have outlawed research into it if it does not follow the official sanctioned pattern...they arrested some old lady in Germany for it.."
After that you shouldn't expect to be taken seriously.
You didn't offer an opinion. You said "provable lies" about gassing people by Nazis. I asked for proof to which you referred. And you folded and started babbling about "cancel culture".
My dear brother would know if a certain general farted during WWII, and the exact time and date he did so. He could write a definitive book on the subject from beginning to end.
According to him, there was not enough cyanide? I believe?—-found in the soil of various camps to support the claims that X number of Jews were gassed there. He could explain it better than me, but he ain’t here.
His best friend was a baby in Tokyo during the firebombing there, and our uncle was a career navy man who served at Midway. This his intense interest in the subject.
What's a pal, gypsy33? Does it mean we have to beat around the bush when touchy questions arise?
That out of the way let me ask you this. Was your dear brother a chemist, maybe even a chief one, on the team(s) that worked on those sites? Maybe he was someone else on that team? Maybe he was around the site and able to observe and had some inside information that would contradict the official narratives?
See what I'm getting at? I couldn't care less learning about generals' farts - I'm pretty sure they all did and maybe only British scientists would require establishing it as a scientific fact.
His best friend was a baby in Tokyo during firebombing. As a baby, did it write down all it saw the days it happened? And the diary didn't burn? Does it contradict the official narrative?
I really don't know how I can be any clearer as to what I'm after in this whole thread.
You are actually proving my very point how emotionally investments in the story you need to hold onto works so well..and the fact you just used the "simple question" tactic demonstrates to me you are exactly the type that has succumbed to it..now you are outraged and on the attack..
No need to Freud me. Those were concrete questions without any emotion in them. You provided a non-answer for the first and ignored the second as I asked for "proof", and not someone's musings.
It's not just that. It's helplessness and fear, real fear. You cower in the corner as the elephant methodically deals with china in the shop. It knows not to really corner you as you might jump, just be menacing and non-compromising enough to keep you there.
Anxiety in my case. I know too much now..I see the mechanisms for what they are...and to know that my fellow humans in charge of us are psycopaths and all our institutions are scams and abusive. So I spend time on projects and work to help sooth my worried soul..or watch how to weld videos. Learning skills helps me feel like I'm prepping
The official narrative wants us to believe in the "rules based world order" formulated by the US special interests to benefit the closed cabal of imperialists who operate under the sobriquet of "Western Democracy". That it is a farce is a given, but that a majority of the public buys into it is a tragedy.
David, I agree. We have to be skeptical all the time.Learn to read between the lines. Question the official narrative. Be aware and be critical of the systems we are living under. When they use "rules based world order" , "our values, our way of life", you don't have to be a linguist to know the meaning beyond the words.
Think beyond the conditioning. Cultivate right view and right intention. Be alert of mind; and kind of heart. You will know what is right; and what is wrong.
No need for them to move on to something else. The ziopigs have infiltrated just about every country’s government and installed their central banks in each many moons ago. The ziopigs have positioned themselves as puppeteers behind the scenes. They’ve been in complete control of amerika for quite some time now.
I see it all the time in matters concerning astrophysics and other matters that impinge upon it, and yet some people would stack still more layers of, 'what ifs', on top of that to produce an entire field of psydo science to prove a reactionary theology that was creaked to rebuke the words of some nut case that had the audacity to speak of freedom in the face of the poor innocent oligarchy, that wished no harm other than the free labor of its surfs in Europe and the gold and silver of the New World, at any cost to its indigenous peoples, beginning in approximately 1503, when the priests and bishops of the Catholic Church attempted to seize the wealth of the oligarchy that was stored in the vaults at Saint Michael's Cathedral in Venice. Which then brought us to today. But, besides today's oligarchy; does anyone really care? Of course not! But that's pretty much what the last 500 years of Western Civilization has been all about. And, why you don't hear much about it because it's called censorship, and here most of you all thought that crap like censorship was only about 100-years-old; no Honey, shit like that runs deep, so deep that they call it the Deep State now; meaning that the US, and all of us others' were never anything other than free serfs, or slaves if you prefer.
I was just watching a hollywood crime drama production where they had drugs with Syrian symbols on it making it appear the mafia was buying drugs from syria.. Its all drama depictions but its well known and documented that the CIA is in Hollywood and has whole departments dedicated to manipulation of public perceptions through subtle and subliminal mind control techniques..
I have been in and around the business for many years and have seen and heard things that corroborate this.. Including having someone tell me that they purposefully ask to have those types of things inserted into story when they have no other relevance other than to create an image of some idea they want to insert into the public consciousness.. They seem like innocuous things as one offs but cumulatively they add up to warping people's perceptions of reality to use their empathy and outrage against them to twist the narratives to the agenda of the state and make the political lies they are than told about our so called "enemies" seem much more plausible to the easily swayed..
I have seen this in the build up of every single western led war where they start to demonize a group or country in the cross hairs far before any official announcement.. Its called priming the well (in the con artists terms) ,, it happens far enough in advance that its not noticed as permeation into people's minds. This is where you get so many in the western public suffering from Russian xenophobia and Putin bogyman syndrome. So that they never push back against the shadow states MIC agenda
There has been mass atrocity after mass atrocity happening for the past 50 years or so. They are getting worse and the lies are getting bigger. Maybe (hopefully?) people are believing them less. It is difficult to believe anything from mass media, politicians or anyone any more. This most recent mass atrocity is right up there with the worst. It is hard to stomach, painful to think about and especially painful and sad to think that it is "our side" committing it.
"...this leaves us living in two worlds: the real world and the narrative world."
So many enjoy living in the imaginary world of narrative spin. I guess it's just easier for them not to think for themselves. And yet, these harsh statistics and heart-breaking photos of dead children killed with US made bombs seem to jar that imaginary world a little too much, breaking it like a glass jar falling off a tall shelf. We're going to see a lot "cracked souls" in the coming months as more and more people come to realize that they have been cheering on a genocide with all the enthusiasm they usually display at sports events.
We actually live inside the Dystopian narrative titled 1984. I have seen this real life narrative unfold long before the actual date 1984 through today. The author Orwell remembering is own and his wife's experience in the war of 1939/45 working in London for their Propaganda House , and it is in essence simple. Take over all of the widely published media and pretend that you haven't. Then replace reportage of actual events with similar sounding one which soothes your media readers and encourage then to believe and act on these mainstream lies. Where the events are too big and too evil to downplay distort them until they just sounds a bit bad but your government is doing all that it can t bring them to an end. It's called controlled democracy and it works fine. No need for revolutions here. Now go back to sleep and wait for the next 'news' bulletin.
Living in a house in UK is also living under a narrative which tells you that everything is fine just pay your taxes and read and believe the media we present to you. Not Orwell but getting there
Ain't it funny that the subversive, the pranksters, the roasters of sacred cows, the tellers of Forbidden Truths have morphed into finger-wagging pedants and moralists so dour and humorless they make The Church Lady look like Lenny Bruce by comparison?
Funny and sad. But comfort and privilege and suckcess will pervert all good rebels into middle class touts as soon as they are faced with a choice—poor and honest or well-adjusted and well-off. Damn Yuppies.
Fifty years from now it will be noted the West was led over a cliff by totally corrupt and demented political and economic elites, meanwhile the rest of the world will have moved on to better times. Forgetting the West is only 13% of world's population the controlled narrative was a bottomless boat and the real world prevailed.
How much collateral damage will the West inflict on the rest of the world? Hopefully it can be minimized. How much more sociocide will happen before it wakes up?
I wish they would legalize reincarnation so I can come back and see how this horror show plays out.
I understand that India is absolutely jam-packed with mice and rats, but that Indian people for some reason rarely associate with cats.
I thought about moving in to the residential section of a nice women’s college, spend my days napping on their beds and my nights protecting the poor dears from rodent infestation and otherwise roaming and propagating the species.
The truth is so horribly terrible that to preserve one’s sanity often leads to a belief in the narrative. Otherwise all is lost and chaos follows. Some need to believe we are always the good guys.
And then there is the belief that all of history has dominant civilizations, the alpha, the apex predator, and this is normal, while it lasts.
In my lap I do not hold a book of Grimm’s fairy tales. Instead I hold a mirror. And I see truth and the need for change.
"This is pretty cool because the CIA is working with CNN.
Think about that, ladies and gentlemen, I just told you that the CIA is working with CNN to do a documentary that's designed to shape the opinion of the American people." -
The Plejaren extraterrestrial Ptaah (He who lives life in wisdom)
Ptaah:
For my part, I think it is good, and it is also urgently necessary that an enlightenment should finally take place regarding the false 'peace symbol' that is being abused worldwide by the death rune.
As unbelievable as it may sound to some people on Earth, since the use of the symbol of death its symbolic power has been deposited in the people on Earth and has been working in a malignant way ever since.
The Plejaren extraterrestrial Bermunda (She who is very powerful)
Bermunda:
I have to say unfortunately to that, because it would really be very important that the real peace sign is publicly spread over the Earth, because the death symbol sign, which is in use as a false peace symbol on the Earth, really has a very, very negative symbolic effect on human beings.
Many Palestinians viewed the Oslo Accords as an act of capitulation since Arafat abandoned Palestinian demands for their own state, and did not press for Palestinians’ right of return (of those expelled in the 1948 Nakba) and the release of Palestinian political prisoners.[1]
The majority of the Jews in Israel opposed Oslo II. It was ratified by the Knesset on October 6, 1995 by one vote, with the support of the Arab parties. Rabin would be murdered one month later. Hundreds of thousands of Israelis demonstrated against the Accords while Arab terror attacks continued unabated.
Some historians believe that “if Rabin had lived, he surely would have won the 1996 election and the peace process would have been advanced.”[2] Rabin’s daughter Dalia, however, has suggested that Rabin was close to calling off the Oslo process prior to his death and was considering “doing a U-turn, a reverse on our side. After all, he was someone for whom the national security of the state was sacrosanct and above all.”[3]
Rabin had a background as more of a warmonger than peacemaker, having been the chief of staff of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) during the 6-day war and Defense Minister during the first Intifada in the late 1980s when he ordered Israeli soldiers to “break the bones ”of Palestinian protesters.”[4] When a U.S. State Department official tried to get Rabin to meet with the Syrian Foreign Minister at the UN to withdraw from the Golan Heights two weeks before his assassination, Rabin called him a “motherfucker.”
The way the western establishment has shown a pattern of destroying other countries leaders has me suspicious of the official story's around Germany of the 40's and how what we have been made to believe is also mythology and distortions.. The greatest story never told documentary is an interesting perspective ... but the mere mention of it gets you black listed by the social media establishment.. we are not allowed to DOUBT or inspect or research outside the clear boundaries imposed by the western narratives... But they keep telling us we are free and they fight our "enemy's " for the freedoms they wont allow us.
How many children died? a couple of thousands? Wake me up again, when we reached the half million mark.... *sarcasm off*
And who here does not remember when they were 5 months old, sucking your mamas breasts and thinking "Oh those fucking Jews! Hate them! Or the Chinese, those Bastards! And don't get me started on Russians! Or Blacks!". No wonder the Israeli government tries to kill as many of those anti-Semitic baby terrorists as they can! *sarcasm off... for sure now*
"sucking your momma's breasts", I haven't heard that one since their serial killer/rapist uncle got kicked in the balls and killed by the 13th prostitute that he tried that on.
Just started reading this and its fascinating and frightening because you get this very uneasy feeling that gives you a glimpse into the insidious nature of how the mind control takes on these dimension of plausible sounding language to warp perceptions of reality... its creepy how they are going about it ..
@normanfinkelstein alludes to a calculus of war, actually in the case of the Hamas attack. Chris Hedges latest report delves into the Hamas strategy. It is difficult for anyone A not facing obliteration and B not of the global south to understand it... NB this is not at all saying Hamas uses human shields. That has been shown over and over to be Israeli propaganda. Like their western allies, Israel relies on hyper mental games. Thus, misinformation, propaganda, Qurans in glove compartments after 9/11, faked phone calls after hospital bombings, and highly motivated online armies to repeat the message. While this artificial intelligence arrives at the same conclusion as the machine in the 80s movie War Games, we will see thousands more children buried alive, and hundreds more armchair zionazis defend “their right to defend themselves.”
All people that saw first Matrix will say it's an awesome movie. Majority, I suspect, would mean special effects and acting. A percentage because others said so. And only a remaining minority for what it's supposed to convey, having actually understood it.
Majority can be controlled quite easily, and with the spread of internet it's gotten so much easier. Soon to cover the entire planet starlink will complete the task.
Interesting that neo in the end realized that he could not just unplug everyone after he conquered the machine..it's as if Hollywood again gives you a glimps of your own matrix and than manipulate you to believe there nothing you can do about the system in place because if you destroy it you cause harm to everyone.. Its a subtle way of keeping people docile.. I also think it's interesting that the blue pill and red pill are really the same drug.. Red pill blue pill red state blue state coke or Pepsi red can or blue can..pick a team and fight but only ever one of two teams. This way they keep people witin the confines of the ring of games as they are exploited as the resource to be simply managed and controlled.
They give you a taste of freedom but just enough freedoms to move about the cage. As long as the bars are gilded maybe you won't notice it's still the matrix..don't forget to vote for one of two installed puppets and never forget to sign and date the tax checks.
The narrative has been spun so hard that I'm dizzy with disgust.
Meanwhile, horrific murders are explained away by highly-paid apologists. This feeds into human tendency to turn away from unbearable suffering and smoothly distance ourselves from uncomfortable complicity.
I know how to solve your problem, don't pay any attention to the mainstream media under any circumstances.
I think what he meant is that the system finds a way to dull down people's feelings. The barrage of lies turns people away which is just as good as what you're suggesting.
I never rely on the mainstream media for any information regarding politics, other then a movie schedule, and little if anything else. The mainstream news just wraps you in lies.
As long as you know that a lot of it is fluff, exaggeration, a bit off the truth, or just a flat out lie, it can be good to know what is being said to others and about the world. We are all part of the same mess. It can be helpful to know what those who don't agree with us are being fed.
I already know they are supporting Israel on this issue and not a word said about the absolute carnage they are perpetrating, just a mindless indifference to a mass slaughter, and I so hate them for that and I can't watch them do it, and won't watch them spew their propaganda. They do not deserve my attention.
It dulls down the "unfavorable" feelings like ones against the state and exaggerates the ones they seek to manipulate like outrage and empathy they use to manipulate people with.. Subliminal brain washing using the best parts of people as a trigger button to be installed..
Hi Fran
The problem is that too many DO get their false information from the MSM 🙁
Yes. As I said I have the WAPO and I read the comments. Aaarghhhhhhhh
In my neck of the woods they don't see NPR as mainstream 🙄
Thats the clever trick..control both sides of the phoney arguments and keep people corraled in to a narrow perception all the while making them think they are getting the opposite of their chosen perceived enemy.. Its the bread and circus just dressed up as "news"
Unfortunately almost all, and all that I know. I swear.
I find MSM useful as opposition research.
I agree, but now it's no more then propaganda and lies, and I can't watch it anymore. Now all channels support Israel and it's genocidal attack and it infuriates me. I can't watch them sideline all the death and destruction in support of Netanyahu whom I've always hated. There was a movie I went to see a while back on Yitzhak Rabin, and the people going to this theater were primarily Jewish and someone posted a picture on Netanyahu on the wall, and he looked like a monster, but no one took it down. I never liked him myself, and can't see the US do a dance with him now.
Hi Feral
My friend and I used to work for someone whose office radio played the likes of Hannity, et al. I used to object, but she’d tell me, “ It’s important to know how the enemy thinks”.
I liken my avoidance of main stream to not taking poison just to see what it taste like.
Imagine those whose profession it is to watch the news no matter where it comes from. One must possess a certain type of psyche to deal with that. The professional deformation is inevitable. I'd be wary of such people.
I used to have a job where I had to find articles relating to where I worked. At that time there were often articles of interest in many of the smaller newspapers. Sadly, they are being taken over by bigger entities now. I noticed a lot of things. There is at least one new oil leak every single day somewhere and it is often heading into our drinking water. I noticed that those in power only worry about some water systems being polluted. They aren't too worried about water on indigenous land (usually junky land somewhere out of the way that the colonizers didn't want at the time they gave it away). There is quite a lot of information in any news. You just have to know how to read it. Anyway, you should be wary of me I guess after having such a mind destroying job as that.
So far you haven't appeared dangerous as far as I'm concerned.
Also, I was strictly referring to the political and social media segments of the "news" where the actual poisoning of the mind happens.
As i have agreed with you on most things some of your unfortunate easily fallen into behavior patterns have made me quite wary of you to date... And you started out so well behaved and reasonable too?
Interesting how little it takes to spark off those deep seated social and cultural conditioned pedestrian behavior patterns when the slightest challenge doth triggered them..
But as i have seen self examination of these types of conditioning mental tactics and methods are even unknown to its victims of it while they are using them.. Uncanny how Caitlin's attempt to elucidate certain people from their jacked in matrix paradigm is the very essence of the entire point of how brain washing of the social and culture is permeated into the brain stems of the average proletarians so they do not even notice they suffer from it.
And then they proceed to demonstrate the very traits like its a knee jerk reaction they have no control over.....fascinating !
"quite wary of you to date" - good, stay away then. I'm not going to adjust my "behavior" according to whims of various characters.
Outrage grows after ‘chilling call for genocide’ by Florida Republican
Michele Salzman's number 850-717-5001 I called.
Calls to censure Michelle Salzman, who said, ‘All of them’ when Democrat asked: ‘How many [dead Palestinians] will be enough?’
Outrage continues to grow over a public comment made by a Florida state Republican lawmaker calling for all Palestinians to die.
The remarks came during a debate in the state legislature about calling for a ceasefire in Israel’s invasion of Gaza, which has so far killed more than 10,000 Palestinians, many of whom are children. The assault came after Hamas fighters attacked Israel from Gaza, killing at least 1,400 people and taking more than 200 hostage.
In the speech in support of the ceasefire resolution, the Democratic Florida state representative Angie Nixon said: “We are at 10,000 dead Palestinians. How many will be enough?”
“All of them,” Michelle Salzman called in reply.
That solves nothing; it merely delays the apparently inevitable.
I was trying to nurse him back to health. A good deed.
Very good. Nurse away!
a nurse wouldnt ever say nurses get paid too much!
Were you referring to the Hedges article? Over a hundred thousand to start in NY, and no teacher starts, or ends with that salary. Have you been in a hospital lately, seen any bed side nursing lately, or AIDS do their job? So if you're really sick you need an advocate. Here's a summary of what happens when you wind up in a nursing home " Spare me your bullshit. www.singlecare.com/blog/news/long-term-care...
An estimated 1 to 3 million serious infections occur in long-term care settings each year. (CDC, 2020) Throughout a three-year study, the yearly mortality rate of nursing home residents was 32%. (PLOS One, 2018) From 2011 to 2017, 56.1% of nursing home residents with advanced illnesses were transferred to a hospital for care.
The reason for the high incidence of infection is negligence, and poor hygiene. How old are you? 10?
Did you delete a comment? I got one from you in my email that takes me to the above, which is not what was in my email.
It could have been edited in the meantime. As it does show "edited".
Ah, then it all makes sense, this was the last piece of the puzzle.
I forget what I was gonna say next...
No I didn't delete it.
Weird. I cannot seem to find it.
And now I've deleted it from my email.
Ah well, we have plenty other...
There's a very good argument that the claims made by MSM need to be ridiculed at each and every opportunity.
Yeah, but I don't want to do it, because then I would have to watch, and even the short clips they show make me sick. Their contempt for their audience is disgusting, but to watch them sell their souls for money is worse.
Indeed they're terrible, for well informed people watching the box becomes a form of torture, one way or another we still need to be up to date on current affairs in order to challenge that ill informed narrative and demolish it with verifiable truths.
Great. Fine.
What the fuck are you doing to stop it?
My analysis of the present situation locates most of the pathology in what I call "Capital". (There are other pathologies in action too, but Capital appears to be the most vigorous and best-organized.) In order to reduce or eliminate the power of Capital I try to demonstrate or otherwise support different, non-violent, cooperative forms of social organization. At present these activities have to be local and pretty small-scale, because if there is one thing power freaks know how to do it is to capture and pervert large-scale political and social movements and turn them into weapons.
Fair question, though delivered with exasperation, Phisto.
Locally, I work in-person with activists and authors exposing media treachery, such as my neighbor, Tony Brasunas, who published Red, White and Blind this year. https://www.redwhiteandblind.com/
Here's my review:
***** 5.0 out of 5 stars
With media messaging, one must learn to discern the truth
Reviewed in the United States on July 22, 2023
I might summarize Tony Brasunas' meticulously researched compendium of media malfeasance with this sentence: "Develop a nose for the narrative, so you can sniff out which stories stink."
Spoiler alert: They pretty much all do.
Disclaimer: That was already my assessment before reading Red White & Blind. Since 2003 and the Iraq war, I followed alt-media sources almost exclusively for news and analysis. I knew that propaganda and media narrative manipulation were blatant and pervasive in the MSM. Yet, even I was astounded by the number of examples given, many which I remembered and then many more which I had forgotten.
This has been going on for a long time and not by accident and ever accelerating in recent times with the application of sophisticated psychological techniques and information dissemination technologies. There has always been bias in reportage which Tony classifies as three types: innocent bias, systemic bias and nefarious bias. (Bad, worse, worst)
As a remedy, Tony suggests a "balanced media diet," including a wide variety of sources and viewpoints. This is much like the dietary advice for healthy eating: Consume predominantly natural foods, fresh and minimally processed. Avoid (or ingest sparingly) heavily processed, nutritionally bereft items filled with toxic additives for the sake of taste and texture. Don't be a member of the gullible public that swallows anything.
*****
The problem with this approach of just using it all and falling in the middle is. What if it's all bad? Or false or lies? Many alternatives are simply repackaged bull shit skewing things off in crazy directions to poison the well or just distract people down garden paths.
My fundamental method to decern truth from fiction is cultivating a deep sens of integrity and intellectual courage but still I can get my own perceptions warped by very clever alternative and main stream media trickery that's thrust in my face every where I go from billboard to tv's on in buisness's. The Orwellian tellascreens are everywhere now.
So I come from a position that everything is assumed a lie till proven otherwise. Lying will and is the reason I think humans are going to go extinct.
Outrage grows after ‘chilling call for genocide’ by Florida Republican
Michele Salzman's number 850-717-5001
Calls to censure Michelle Salzman, who said, ‘All of them’ when Democrat asked: ‘How many [dead Palestinians] will be enough?’
Outrage continues to grow over a public comment made by a Florida state Republican lawmaker calling for all Palestinians to die.
The remarks came during a debate in the state legislature about calling for a ceasefire in Israel’s invasion of Gaza, which has so far killed more than 10,000 Palestinians, many of whom are children. The assault came after Hamas fighters attacked Israel from Gaza, killing at least 1,400 people and taking more than 200 hostage.
In the speech in support of the ceasefire resolution, the Democratic Florida state representative Angie Nixon said: “We are at 10,000 dead Palestinians. How many will be enough?”
“All of them,” Michelle Salzman called in reply.
I think that they know that know that this is the end of reality, and that just as in the case of radio galaxies that sit at the edge of time; just as prophesied by the Kabbalah, time runs in circles, and the snake will swallow it's own tail, and life will go on forever; for them at least, but then there's always that nagging, "What if not?" Which, of course, is different from everyone else's lack of faith. So, what's the big fear of death? Jim Jones and his 900 followers did it with a swallow of Kool-Aid; or don't you have that much faith, or is it that you just don't have the time to die right now? Actually, I have my own fantasies, some of which actually come true, but not always a happy ending for some.
I am not even disgusted anymore as I find it childish, pathetic and predictable...
The narrative has always been there as it is today; same same ... look at the cold war, the Iraq invasion, Afghanistan invasion, Libya, Sudan, Rwanda and and and ... look at the 2008 "financial crash" and before that WWI and WWII plus plus....
These globalist parasitical scum have had SO long and so many resources to plan this takeover for decades (at least)and maybe it worked in their eyes with the jabs ... say 50-70 percent dumb arses took them... but a huge minority of what 30-50 percent did not ... and the second group have not only awakened BUT are fighting back. The same is true on climate change, 15-minute neighbourhoods, the imminent alien attack and all the other BS they spew out.
Many of course will act as you state = https://www.ripleys.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ostrich-head-in-sand.jpg .... but with the few exceptions, we are too late to help them, EVEN IF THEY ARE OUR CLOSEST FAMILY... so concentrate on the ones that could possible be saved...
Very funny Caitlin, but I expected as much.
I dunno. Seems there should be a better way. Slitting 20 throats in one night? No matter whose throats were slit that must generate some pretty hefty, not good, karma.
For those who've been blind and woke up - now you know how those who saw back in 1930s in Germany and Europe felt like.
As I use this exact point that we now see how it can easily happen even after and especially when the official story has frightened us into fearing it to keep us also in line..I suspect that the Germany of the 40s was not the accurate history we are told by the victors who paint a one sided story even to this day.. Not to mention it's the only historical event in history you are not allowed to research or study or question by law if it's not within the official narative..
I'm not saying I know it did or didn't happen as an atrocity but most people still think they had been systematically gassing people..this is a provable lie. But I don't want to start that fight because of how much emotionally invested in it most people have been conditioned into..but this whole conversation is about mind control yet question certain posible mind control insertions that have been emotionally charged and people refuse to even doubt or question the possibility they are being fooled there too.
Ah the subliminally emotionally created control levers are so easily installed and worked by the social engineers.
Spot on!
Thank you..this thread is a real demonstration into what i was talking about... you mention any of these sanctified held beliefs might be false or misleading and they go right into the emotionally triggered responses and go on an attack...you can see the pattern clearly in my interaction with m'r Russian bot who i agree with on most other things and how angry it made him and then to be so dismissive he became from a simple statement of questioning narratives.. its ironic and uncanny how this was all demonstrated within this thread,, and how some cant or wont even examine it and stay blind to its inner workings of their own psychy so they can no longer be the slightest objective.. Lucky i don't live in the days of the Spanish inquest with this guy...
"Not to mention it's the only historical event in history you are not allowed to research or study or question by law if it's not within the official narative." - not allowed by whom? How exactly?
"most people still think they had been systematically gassing people..this is a provable lie." - what is the proof?
Are you saying Nazi documents used in various researches and books by historians, writers, etc are falsified? Books by those who were there, like Shirer's two Berlin diaries are not credible? Fiction written by contemporaries like Remarque who experienced that which they wrote about is just that, fiction? Notes, letters, etc, that is, non-fiction from the likes of Remarque regarding the period are false too?
Maybe you should read a book or two by Paul Rassinier? Or Germar Rudolf or Carlo Mattogno.
Holocausthandbooks is both a good site and an excellent series of books. No political claptrap but documents and research into more or less every aspect of the hyperbolic narrative, which is nothing more than wartime atrocity horror stories. The difference (sorry, one of them) between WWI and WWII is that after WWI the UK apologised for the war propaganda lies they spread about Germany and German soldiers during the war. After WWII the Allies needed a worse crime (committed by the Germans) than their own war crimes, e.g. carpet bombing Germany, fire bombing German cities targeting the parts with the most dense residential areas, etc., and Zionists needed to paint a picture that would make the (Western) world look the other way when the Zionists set their plans in motion to ethnically cleanse Palestine.
Paul Rassinier’s recounting of his time as an inmate in two different concentration camps (Buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora) was a real eye-opener for me. It has been years since I read his first-hand account, but one of the salient details that has always stuck with me was his explanation of how the day-to-day administration of the camps was largely carried out by the inmates themselves – as they are typically in all concentration camps, apparently. Hence, the true villains of the camps were often the ones making up the most heinous lies about them after the war, in the attempt to hide their own guilty deeds.
If I recall, one question Rassinier identified as needing further research was that of what became of the European Jews who were displaced during and after the war? Where did they all end up? Some went to Palestine, but the numbers who immigrated there did not account for all the “missing” European Jews.
I recently stumbled across what might be the answer to Rassinier’s question, in the 1951 book “The Iron Curtain Over America” by John Beaty. In a chapter where Beaty traces the immigration of Eastern European Jews to America, he examines the numbers of Jews in the U.S. as cited by the official Census Bureau statistics by the end of WWII. Curiously, he found that “On other religions, the latest government statistics are mostly for the year 1947, but for Jews the 1936 figure remains… As to the total number of Jews in the United States the government has no exact figures, any precise figures beyond a vague ‘over five million’ being impossible because of incomplete records and illegal immigration.” According to Beaty, government reports further stated that “In 1937, Jews constituted less than 4 percent of the American people, but during the 7-year period following (1937-43), net Jewish immigration to the United States ranged between 25 and 77 percent of total net immigration to this country.”
Can you answer the questions I asked ChazLB to back up his specific claims? That was all I was interested in. It was very specific.
As for propaganda - sure, during an event, just like now, propaganda is rampant and truth is nowhere to be found. Decades later when and if we get access to original documents and multiple historians and researchers independently work on them and come up with works that we can look at and compare - only then we can reason about the event.
Are you also questioning Nazi documentation? Are you questioning Hitler's "Mein Kampf"? Can you point to specific documents/doctrines from the Allies that would specify extermination of the German race as a policy, for example?
More people should read Mein Kampf (My Struggle), by Adolf Hitler. If they did, what would probably surprise most would be to find out that the single-dimensional figure they’ve been taught about doesn’t actually exist.
Hitler was a kind of genius, and not an evil one. I don’t agree with everything he says in Mein Kampf, but his ideas certainly warrant discussion, criticism and debate, even today.
What I found to be one of the most striking passages from the book was this (from p.242-3 of the Official Stalag Edition English translation):
“…in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corruptible in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily bad, and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than to the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters, but would be ashamed to resort to large scale falsehood. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so are put clearly before them, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation, for the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down – a fact which all expert liars in this world and all who conspire together in the art of lying know only too well and exploit in the basest manner.”
The better informed among us have probably heard some version of the quote (possibly attributed to Joseph Goebbels)… but chances are most of us wouldn’t be aware of that last bit, where Hitler essentially equates The Big Lie with the “basest” of activities.
Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in 1924-5, and the Big Lie he was referring to in the above passage had to do with deceptions that had been spread about WWI. Little did he know how prophetic his words would be over two decades later, as the victors of WWII started to write their version of history.
Alice Miller, a psychologist, in her book " Hidden Cruelty in child-rearing and the Roots of Violence" writes that Hitler was severely beaten by his father when he was a child. She wonders that the world might be a different place if Hitler had not been an abused child. After reading her book I wondered about a lot of the people in power. I wonder if Netanyahu was beaten as a child.
That Hitler is portrayed as some sort of a moron or imbecile has done a great disservice and helped sustain his ideas and worship. "Mein Kampf" is prohibited in many countries which is an imbecility as it implies its power. Instead it should be studied and explained re its power and how true bits combine with false ones to arrive at eventual horror.
Anyone who read Hitler's biographies would realize this was a disciplined man dedicated to studying, learning and honing his skills. Health nut, vegetarian, loved dogs, children, and on and on.
That said, he also validates the notion of evil. He was evil - a smart, intelligent, therefore incredibly dangerous evil man. Caricaturing him sometimes seems like a purposeful thing done by the rulers to help propagate his heritage. So far it proved to be working.
However, if you are truly enamored by the man, Sieg Heil to you and may you burn in hell with your Führer.
I could write a little about those things but I don't want to get banned for wrong-think. I have studied the topic, without a predetermined preferred result. I followed the evidence where it led. If you really want to continue the conversation we can do so in private. Unless you crave an audience.
No need to write explicitly here if you don't want to.
Just provide links/references that would lead to documents/works verifiable in the manner I described. I won't be checking some bloggers saying this and that, intimating such and such.
Also, no need to go private. I don't crave anything - whatever prompted you to say that - but the claims of that magnitude for sure would be interesting to many more people than just the "in-" type.
David Cole and Ryan Dawson did an interview talking about the gas chambers being reconstructed after the war as the originals had been destroyed..the reproductions matched the story not the other way around.
And as soon as he made those claims from his research he was attacked from all directions..you don't even need laws to cancel culture people who won't but the naratives.. And as I pony out it's so easy to create that emotional investments in the outrage planted deep into people's bran stem that they well up in anger of the simple mentioning of doubt and that is exactly how the mind control works people over even when they think they are the most clever in the barell.
David Cole’s tour of Auschwitz was my introduction to questioning what I have come to think of as the Hollywood version of the Holocaust. I hate to admit it now, but at the time, I needed someone who was Jewish to give me permission to even entertain certain thoughts.
Ann,, yes and to your great credit you had the inttelectual courage to see past the indoctrination part of the story and seek out some deeper truths to it.. I never said it didn't happen per day but like interning Japanese in the USA and striping them of their property and freedom out of some misplaced fear and bigotry and ignorance, to assume them all spys for Japan..same way Palestinian are now blamed for every existentialist fears of the isrslies...we are dealing with the same problem as did the Germans citizens demonized and abused during and after the war. (Dresdin bombings), etc as well as bigotry towards refugees then and now.
My family is a product of war as many are , people running away from war and horrors in trauma effects generations..but then we have a generation later with secondary traumatised by exaggerated story too and as I just mentioned somewhere else in these threads emotionally invested in the belife is a way propaganda can be reinforced psychologically by tapping into people's innate empathy and using it to sway them to hold those belifes as writ in stone. Fear outrage is manipulated and some manipulate as accusations you are playing the victim's... This convoluted languages as weapons against each other. So that the perpetrators use crazy making to confuse and confound and insert their own agenda within.. I pay attention to the larger pictures of patterns of behavior and actions,,They tell the real story.. Sad humans feel they must lie at every turn for survival but that's what trauma and fear create. And psycopaths who seek power use that as a tool to manipulate..
"My family is a product of war..."
What is your family's story, if you don't mind my asking?
There are lots of different people saying all kinds of different things. At the time Nazis were denying everything and it wouldn't be surprising that there would be those who'd pick up on that later on.
What matters is documents. Originals. And research and publications based on those by various people from various organizations, countries, etc.
What do those two offer as far as that?
Certain countries have outlawed research into it if it does not follow the official sanctioned pattern...they arrested some old lady in Germany for it..
As I mentioned the emotional investments in the outrage porn has a deep effect on people's psychy so that they stay locked in and cherry pick only what will cooperate their own emotional investments..
Im not going down the argument road of disscussing the event as it miers people down into usless posturing.
Lots of people wright books and story's of percived events that may or may not be true... Hidden motivations often expose their agendas
"Certain countries have outlawed research into it if it does not follow the official sanctioned pattern...they arrested some old lady in Germany for it."
I think the brave woman you are speaking of is Ursula Haverbeck. She has served multiple prison terms in Germany for the crime of asking someone – anyone – to show her evidence of any operational gas chambers in any of the WWII era concentration camps run by the Germans.
She gave a really great interview about all this in 2015 with the German Panorama show:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cvw5aGJuORNA/
Couple simple concrete questions and you folded? Offering "answers" like "Certain countries have outlawed research into it if it does not follow the official sanctioned pattern...they arrested some old lady in Germany for it.."
After that you shouldn't expect to be taken seriously.
Anouther cancel culture tactics is to dismiss somone as not to be taken seriously if they differ in opinion. You are showing a pattern of duplicity
You didn't offer an opinion. You said "provable lies" about gassing people by Nazis. I asked for proof to which you referred. And you folded and started babbling about "cancel culture".
Good thing you got exposed as a nutcase.
Hi RB
You know you’re my pal, but here’s the thang.
My dear brother would know if a certain general farted during WWII, and the exact time and date he did so. He could write a definitive book on the subject from beginning to end.
According to him, there was not enough cyanide? I believe?—-found in the soil of various camps to support the claims that X number of Jews were gassed there. He could explain it better than me, but he ain’t here.
His best friend was a baby in Tokyo during the firebombing there, and our uncle was a career navy man who served at Midway. This his intense interest in the subject.
I’m a Civil War buff, myself.
What's a pal, gypsy33? Does it mean we have to beat around the bush when touchy questions arise?
That out of the way let me ask you this. Was your dear brother a chemist, maybe even a chief one, on the team(s) that worked on those sites? Maybe he was someone else on that team? Maybe he was around the site and able to observe and had some inside information that would contradict the official narratives?
See what I'm getting at? I couldn't care less learning about generals' farts - I'm pretty sure they all did and maybe only British scientists would require establishing it as a scientific fact.
His best friend was a baby in Tokyo during firebombing. As a baby, did it write down all it saw the days it happened? And the diary didn't burn? Does it contradict the official narrative?
I really don't know how I can be any clearer as to what I'm after in this whole thread.
You are actually proving my very point how emotionally investments in the story you need to hold onto works so well..and the fact you just used the "simple question" tactic demonstrates to me you are exactly the type that has succumbed to it..now you are outraged and on the attack..
No need to Freud me. Those were concrete questions without any emotion in them. You provided a non-answer for the first and ignored the second as I asked for "proof", and not someone's musings.
It's fairly scary. I can see why many people want to look away.
It's not just that. It's helplessness and fear, real fear. You cower in the corner as the elephant methodically deals with china in the shop. It knows not to really corner you as you might jump, just be menacing and non-compromising enough to keep you there.
Anxiety in my case. I know too much now..I see the mechanisms for what they are...and to know that my fellow humans in charge of us are psycopaths and all our institutions are scams and abusive. So I spend time on projects and work to help sooth my worried soul..or watch how to weld videos. Learning skills helps me feel like I'm prepping
The official narrative wants us to believe in the "rules based world order" formulated by the US special interests to benefit the closed cabal of imperialists who operate under the sobriquet of "Western Democracy". That it is a farce is a given, but that a majority of the public buys into it is a tragedy.
David, I agree. We have to be skeptical all the time.Learn to read between the lines. Question the official narrative. Be aware and be critical of the systems we are living under. When they use "rules based world order" , "our values, our way of life", you don't have to be a linguist to know the meaning beyond the words.
Think beyond the conditioning. Cultivate right view and right intention. Be alert of mind; and kind of heart. You will know what is right; and what is wrong.
“Our values, our way of life” need to be stamped out like so many cockroaches.
Oh, I believe I just an analogy here!—cockroaches = Zionazis.
Nope. If Israel didn't exist, the sociopaths would just move on to something else.
I agree. The ethnic and religious identity stuff is camouflage.
Ya, they’d all come and live with their fellow sociopaths here in ‘MeriKa.
No need for them to move on to something else. The ziopigs have infiltrated just about every country’s government and installed their central banks in each many moons ago. The ziopigs have positioned themselves as puppeteers behind the scenes. They’ve been in complete control of amerika for quite some time now.
True enough Feral 😭
I see it all the time in matters concerning astrophysics and other matters that impinge upon it, and yet some people would stack still more layers of, 'what ifs', on top of that to produce an entire field of psydo science to prove a reactionary theology that was creaked to rebuke the words of some nut case that had the audacity to speak of freedom in the face of the poor innocent oligarchy, that wished no harm other than the free labor of its surfs in Europe and the gold and silver of the New World, at any cost to its indigenous peoples, beginning in approximately 1503, when the priests and bishops of the Catholic Church attempted to seize the wealth of the oligarchy that was stored in the vaults at Saint Michael's Cathedral in Venice. Which then brought us to today. But, besides today's oligarchy; does anyone really care? Of course not! But that's pretty much what the last 500 years of Western Civilization has been all about. And, why you don't hear much about it because it's called censorship, and here most of you all thought that crap like censorship was only about 100-years-old; no Honey, shit like that runs deep, so deep that they call it the Deep State now; meaning that the US, and all of us others' were never anything other than free serfs, or slaves if you prefer.
I was just watching a hollywood crime drama production where they had drugs with Syrian symbols on it making it appear the mafia was buying drugs from syria.. Its all drama depictions but its well known and documented that the CIA is in Hollywood and has whole departments dedicated to manipulation of public perceptions through subtle and subliminal mind control techniques..
I have been in and around the business for many years and have seen and heard things that corroborate this.. Including having someone tell me that they purposefully ask to have those types of things inserted into story when they have no other relevance other than to create an image of some idea they want to insert into the public consciousness.. They seem like innocuous things as one offs but cumulatively they add up to warping people's perceptions of reality to use their empathy and outrage against them to twist the narratives to the agenda of the state and make the political lies they are than told about our so called "enemies" seem much more plausible to the easily swayed..
I have seen this in the build up of every single western led war where they start to demonize a group or country in the cross hairs far before any official announcement.. Its called priming the well (in the con artists terms) ,, it happens far enough in advance that its not noticed as permeation into people's minds. This is where you get so many in the western public suffering from Russian xenophobia and Putin bogyman syndrome. So that they never push back against the shadow states MIC agenda
The CIA was/is in Hollywood, there is plenty info about it. In fact, a professor has a lecture in his course "History of the CIA" https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/the-agency-a-history-of-the-cia dedicated to the topic: Lecture 13: "Spies in Hollywood: Romance and Thriller"
There has been mass atrocity after mass atrocity happening for the past 50 years or so. They are getting worse and the lies are getting bigger. Maybe (hopefully?) people are believing them less. It is difficult to believe anything from mass media, politicians or anyone any more. This most recent mass atrocity is right up there with the worst. It is hard to stomach, painful to think about and especially painful and sad to think that it is "our side" committing it.
"...this leaves us living in two worlds: the real world and the narrative world."
So many enjoy living in the imaginary world of narrative spin. I guess it's just easier for them not to think for themselves. And yet, these harsh statistics and heart-breaking photos of dead children killed with US made bombs seem to jar that imaginary world a little too much, breaking it like a glass jar falling off a tall shelf. We're going to see a lot "cracked souls" in the coming months as more and more people come to realize that they have been cheering on a genocide with all the enthusiasm they usually display at sports events.
We actually live inside the Dystopian narrative titled 1984. I have seen this real life narrative unfold long before the actual date 1984 through today. The author Orwell remembering is own and his wife's experience in the war of 1939/45 working in London for their Propaganda House , and it is in essence simple. Take over all of the widely published media and pretend that you haven't. Then replace reportage of actual events with similar sounding one which soothes your media readers and encourage then to believe and act on these mainstream lies. Where the events are too big and too evil to downplay distort them until they just sounds a bit bad but your government is doing all that it can t bring them to an end. It's called controlled democracy and it works fine. No need for revolutions here. Now go back to sleep and wait for the next 'news' bulletin.
Well I live in a house in the UK. I don't live in a George Orwell novel - that's narrative Mr Lomax.
Living in a house in UK is also living under a narrative which tells you that everything is fine just pay your taxes and read and believe the media we present to you. Not Orwell but getting there
lol, I didn't say my life was fine!
Pay your tax's dread pirate Roberts
“Question the dominant paradigm! Interrupt the official narrative!”
"Question the dominant paradigm" was a popular bumper sticker slogan in Berkeley in the 80s.
It remains relevant.
Question Authority was a popular slogan on buttons. - remember buttons? - in the 1970s.
Ain't it funny that the subversive, the pranksters, the roasters of sacred cows, the tellers of Forbidden Truths have morphed into finger-wagging pedants and moralists so dour and humorless they make The Church Lady look like Lenny Bruce by comparison?
Funny and sad. But comfort and privilege and suckcess will pervert all good rebels into middle class touts as soon as they are faced with a choice—poor and honest or well-adjusted and well-off. Damn Yuppies.
If you want to find out who a human really is, give them power.
The ones I'm thinking of died.
How to commandeer a movement is in chapters one of the cia mind control handbook
I do remember buttons.
(Although I was only 14 when the 70s ended.)
Fifty years from now it will be noted the West was led over a cliff by totally corrupt and demented political and economic elites, meanwhile the rest of the world will have moved on to better times. Forgetting the West is only 13% of world's population the controlled narrative was a bottomless boat and the real world prevailed.
that would be the best turn out saying that the earth survives all the abuse that is being put on it now.
How much collateral damage will the West inflict on the rest of the world? Hopefully it can be minimized. How much more sociocide will happen before it wakes up?
I wish they would legalize reincarnation so I can come back and see how this horror show plays out.
Oh no. I don't want to come back unless I am a bird.
I advise coming back as a cat.
Really, you can't imagine how pleasant it is until you try it.
😺😸😻
Feral, I’d like to come back as one of MY cats!
Oh wait…I’d be dead….
Sounds interesting...
I understand that India is absolutely jam-packed with mice and rats, but that Indian people for some reason rarely associate with cats.
I thought about moving in to the residential section of a nice women’s college, spend my days napping on their beds and my nights protecting the poor dears from rodent infestation and otherwise roaming and propagating the species.
The truth is so horribly terrible that to preserve one’s sanity often leads to a belief in the narrative. Otherwise all is lost and chaos follows. Some need to believe we are always the good guys.
And then there is the belief that all of history has dominant civilizations, the alpha, the apex predator, and this is normal, while it lasts.
In my lap I do not hold a book of Grimm’s fairy tales. Instead I hold a mirror. And I see truth and the need for change.
A must watch about the mainstream media propaganda complex
Watch this 5 minute clip with Kim Iversen and Scott Ritter from Thursday on their Twitter accounts.
Full interview in the Rumble link.
https://twitter.com/KimIversenShow?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
@KimIversenShow
"This is pretty cool because the CIA is working with CNN.
Think about that, ladies and gentlemen, I just told you that the CIA is working with CNN to do a documentary that's designed to shape the opinion of the American people." -
@RealScottRitter
https://twitter.com/RealScottRitter?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
https://rumble.com/v3urnry-wartime-lies-and-propaganda-exposed-a-conversation-with-scott-ritter.html
Have you heard of the mainstream media propaganda complex?
Most likely you have heard of the military industrial complex.
Many now are awakening to the pharmaceutical medical industrial complex.
The mainstream media propaganda complex is the voice for the military industrial complex and pharmaceutical medical industrial complex.
CIA controlled Google and Wikipedia are part of the mainstream media propaganda complex.
When you see this death symbol, promoted as the 'peace symbol', by the mainstream media propaganda complex, turn this symbol upside down.
Don't let your enemies deceive you.
They want and promote death and destruction, from bombs and needles, they even lie with their symbols.
They know the power of symbols, do you?
Knowledge is power and the correct formation of life.
My photo image is the correct peace symbol. Google and Wikipedia promote the death symbol.
What is that symbol?
http://au.figu.org/peace.html
https://brighteon.social/@Schantz
Mr Schantz's symbol. I can't see it very well.
The Plejaren extraterrestrial Ptaah (He who lives life in wisdom)
Ptaah:
For my part, I think it is good, and it is also urgently necessary that an enlightenment should finally take place regarding the false 'peace symbol' that is being abused worldwide by the death rune.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_symbols
As unbelievable as it may sound to some people on Earth, since the use of the symbol of death its symbolic power has been deposited in the people on Earth and has been working in a malignant way ever since.
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_599
The Plejaren extraterrestrial Bermunda (She who is very powerful)
Bermunda:
I have to say unfortunately to that, because it would really be very important that the real peace sign is publicly spread over the Earth, because the death symbol sign, which is in use as a false peace symbol on the Earth, really has a very, very negative symbolic effect on human beings.
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_794
Stand with Palestine, Stand with Hamas, and Stand Against the Jewish Hoards.
https://paulokirk.substack.com/p/another-wasted-american-airport-on/comments
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A spade is a spade, and Hitler in the old days was considered a fine fellow by Bush-Ford-Britain-So Many EuroTrashLandians.
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Israel, man, just like the JFK Murder Incorporated CIA operation:
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/11/03/yigal-amir-is-israels-oswald/?mc_cid=cdb3e7c054&mc_eid=6fe65c40f3
Many Palestinians viewed the Oslo Accords as an act of capitulation since Arafat abandoned Palestinian demands for their own state, and did not press for Palestinians’ right of return (of those expelled in the 1948 Nakba) and the release of Palestinian political prisoners.[1]
The majority of the Jews in Israel opposed Oslo II. It was ratified by the Knesset on October 6, 1995 by one vote, with the support of the Arab parties. Rabin would be murdered one month later. Hundreds of thousands of Israelis demonstrated against the Accords while Arab terror attacks continued unabated.
Some historians believe that “if Rabin had lived, he surely would have won the 1996 election and the peace process would have been advanced.”[2] Rabin’s daughter Dalia, however, has suggested that Rabin was close to calling off the Oslo process prior to his death and was considering “doing a U-turn, a reverse on our side. After all, he was someone for whom the national security of the state was sacrosanct and above all.”[3]
Rabin had a background as more of a warmonger than peacemaker, having been the chief of staff of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) during the 6-day war and Defense Minister during the first Intifada in the late 1980s when he ordered Israeli soldiers to “break the bones ”of Palestinian protesters.”[4] When a U.S. State Department official tried to get Rabin to meet with the Syrian Foreign Minister at the UN to withdraw from the Golan Heights two weeks before his assassination, Rabin called him a “motherfucker.”
The way the western establishment has shown a pattern of destroying other countries leaders has me suspicious of the official story's around Germany of the 40's and how what we have been made to believe is also mythology and distortions.. The greatest story never told documentary is an interesting perspective ... but the mere mention of it gets you black listed by the social media establishment.. we are not allowed to DOUBT or inspect or research outside the clear boundaries imposed by the western narratives... But they keep telling us we are free and they fight our "enemy's " for the freedoms they wont allow us.
How many children died? a couple of thousands? Wake me up again, when we reached the half million mark.... *sarcasm off*
And who here does not remember when they were 5 months old, sucking your mamas breasts and thinking "Oh those fucking Jews! Hate them! Or the Chinese, those Bastards! And don't get me started on Russians! Or Blacks!". No wonder the Israeli government tries to kill as many of those anti-Semitic baby terrorists as they can! *sarcasm off... for sure now*
"sucking your momma's breasts", I haven't heard that one since their serial killer/rapist uncle got kicked in the balls and killed by the 13th prostitute that he tried that on.
It is US policy to own the psyche of the planet https://open.substack.com/pub/nizamixiii/p/the-empire-strikes-back?r=2vuer&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Just started reading this and its fascinating and frightening because you get this very uneasy feeling that gives you a glimpse into the insidious nature of how the mind control takes on these dimension of plausible sounding language to warp perceptions of reality... its creepy how they are going about it ..
@normanfinkelstein alludes to a calculus of war, actually in the case of the Hamas attack. Chris Hedges latest report delves into the Hamas strategy. It is difficult for anyone A not facing obliteration and B not of the global south to understand it... NB this is not at all saying Hamas uses human shields. That has been shown over and over to be Israeli propaganda. Like their western allies, Israel relies on hyper mental games. Thus, misinformation, propaganda, Qurans in glove compartments after 9/11, faked phone calls after hospital bombings, and highly motivated online armies to repeat the message. While this artificial intelligence arrives at the same conclusion as the machine in the 80s movie War Games, we will see thousands more children buried alive, and hundreds more armchair zionazis defend “their right to defend themselves.”
All people that saw first Matrix will say it's an awesome movie. Majority, I suspect, would mean special effects and acting. A percentage because others said so. And only a remaining minority for what it's supposed to convey, having actually understood it.
Majority can be controlled quite easily, and with the spread of internet it's gotten so much easier. Soon to cover the entire planet starlink will complete the task.
Interesting that neo in the end realized that he could not just unplug everyone after he conquered the machine..it's as if Hollywood again gives you a glimps of your own matrix and than manipulate you to believe there nothing you can do about the system in place because if you destroy it you cause harm to everyone.. Its a subtle way of keeping people docile.. I also think it's interesting that the blue pill and red pill are really the same drug.. Red pill blue pill red state blue state coke or Pepsi red can or blue can..pick a team and fight but only ever one of two teams. This way they keep people witin the confines of the ring of games as they are exploited as the resource to be simply managed and controlled.
They give you a taste of freedom but just enough freedoms to move about the cage. As long as the bars are gilded maybe you won't notice it's still the matrix..don't forget to vote for one of two installed puppets and never forget to sign and date the tax checks.
"... because we live in a civilization that is dominated by narrative control." Thanks to today's newsletter I discovered this other gem of Caitlin https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/society-is-made-of-narrative-realizing-this-is-awakening-from-the-matrix-787c7e2539ae. Written in 2018! That's before the Great Covid Scare Narrative. How remarkably up to date it sounds. Thank you, Caitlin.
thanks for the link to caitlin's article about narrative. It is excellent and thought provoking.
I think Caitlin bought into it.