>>"Israel has always been a settler-colonialist project that can only be sustained by nonstop violence and tyranny and theft and abuse and lies and breathtaking immorality."
Yes Caitlin. And settler-colonial scenarios usually follow one of two trajectories ->
(1) The original inhabitants are ethnically cleansed and genocided (like in North America), or
(2) The colonized FIGHT BACK and DRIVE OUT the colonizers (as the Algerians did with France)
I think most of us here are on the side of the Palestinians, fighting (in our own little ways) with them and alongside them against the colonizers that are Israel and the U.S. Empire.
"Israel would never allow justice and equality after October 7 for the same reason Israel would never allow justice and equality before October 7". Caitlin Johnstone today.
The most important point, made yet again by the rational and truthful writings of Caitlin.
Needs to be carefully remembered. I certainly can, memories going back even before
(1) the well organised assassination of JFK, giving Israel nuclear weaponry.
(2) the attack by Israel on the USS Liberty when the Israelis knew that they had the weak Americans by the vitals.
(3) then followed by the decision by the Zionist President Johnson to let the Israelis get away with the murder of 31 American sailors......and then to call back the US Air Force from trying to save the remaining crew.
ADD those up, one by one in the 1960's. A long time ago when 'from the river to the sea' was the theme song and "Eretz Israel' the long held plan.
Now of course, well under way with 86% of the elected disloyal American politicians now dancing to the Israeli theme song. Stealing a country called Palestine.
Each one displaying such a level of disloyalty deserving of a prison sentence for life.
A small reminder about all the brouhaha about communism in the 1950's. Compared to the Zionist control of America, now in play, communism was in truth, a minor concern.
Oliver Stone co-produced a package of videos and an accompanying book titled An Unauthorized History of The United States. In it he postulates that the Cold War was a pretext for imperialist violence against (mostly brown) peoples.
Anticommunism was a big part of the extermination of the American left. The alienated American population is still exhibiting the damage from that concerted barrage of propaganda.
Are our idiot leaders, for the sake of a few bucks, not shooting themselves in the foot? Was one of the reasons we were all supposed to wish we'd rather be dead than red not the fear that communism must mean totalitarianism? Were not the freedom to think, and freedom to speak, and freedom to act, all freedoms only democracy could preserve? Was not monitoring and judging our every action something only commies would do? And yet: here we are. As under today's capitalism, so under communism. Except: communist states at least look after their people's material needs. Our politicians have left us with nothing to fight for except their mansions.
What is wrong with communism? Simple! It is bad for capitalism and those who benefit from capitalism (capitalists) are terrified that their money making will be interfered with.
I think the fear of communism if unexamined comes across as a simple ideological article of faith, a defense of greed, if you will. But when we look at the American ethos, and its 18th century framers, the primacy of the individual, and the absolute belief in a hierarchical social structure that explains and legitimizes privilege, it becomes clear, that anti-capitalism was recognized as a natural human reaction to imposed inequality, so successful, heroic individuals had to bear witness to the FREEDOM of a market economy that has a few winners and a ton of overworked, undervalued workers and unemployed.
So to put a bow on this, the obsessive demonization of communism is a legitimate fear of human preferences for fairness and equality, because privilege isn’t perceived by anybody as a social need.
It should surprise no one that Zionism is now being deconstructed, because privilege, the root of the western liberal tree, can only be accorded to outsiders if they scheme and steal and lie and kill to maintain the system of privilege. The clock is ticking on the west. Viva the social media.
You ask what is wrong with communism. Well; for starters all people don't work equally and put effort into what they do. You should learn that in first grade! Some want to loaf off others and watch others do their work. So; communism does NOT work with human beings. It has proven to be a failed utopian dream in many, many, many cultures and in all racial groups.
Equality of effort put into doing the work, is a foreign concept within capitalism, not communism. Capitalism profits from the efforts of others. Those that profit are known as profiteers, not workers. What you learnt in first grade, discard it, look at US society today. It's rotten to the core. Are you one of those who have benefited from this corruption? Free free Palestine 🇯🇴🇯🇴🇯🇴
Your view of history and understanding of communism (as a philosophy) is warped and not true. There has been NO successful communist country in the whole history of man. As for "profit" --all I can say is if you think you don't have to pay to things, you will starve or be in jail because you would be guilty of stealing something you need. (Try that in a Islamic country and you will find out real quick what justice is.. Steal....I dare you.) Hamas is full of hatred....Why do you think not ONE...NOT one Arab country, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. etc. are not willing to take Palestinian refugees? Why? Why? Why?
The communist witch-hunt started in the State Department and was used to purge the supporters of FDR. Oh how the oligarchs hated FDR! Using the government to raise up the people? That's the end of the world.
Very interested information about Stone's theory. I look forward to reading/watching it. Thank you.
When you look closely at the 10 planks of the Communist maniesto, what you find is an eerie parallel between what is currently THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INC FOR PROFIT corporation and Communism. It has to be much more than a coincidence. https://www.courageouslion.us/p/communism-american-style
Yep, that’s what I was referencing. Stone is a very relatable teacher, because he doesn’t lecture. Although some film critics argue that he does lecture in many of his films, I think that he wants to penetrate the average American disinterest in politics. I met him about a decade after he had directed the movie JFK, at a film festival where he was a featured guest. I told him that I worked in the media, and for me, the genius of JFK (the movie) was how it emancipated so many American psyches who never believed the official story, but had no allies in the public light. Stone reinvigorated a silent, disenchanted segment of society. I told him that I worked in the industry to keep Americans in the dark, and he turned on a bright light!
Communism is a problem because McCarthy was stopped. It's still subverting this nation today.
This has nothing to do with Jews unless we look at how they love to use communists to achieve the goals of subversion through the use of said communists, playing one against the other. Jews and communists are similarly becoming ousted, more and more for what they've done, day by day.
I like my liberty, and if a dirty commie wants to take it, they'd get a bloody war instead. Get the hell out of my nation.
And learn some history, native Americans were two types, one savage singular tribes at war constantly with other tribes, and the other a Republic of tribes, were friendly with the colonists until the 7 year war, when at least some faught against the colonies with the French. Our nation is partially founded on the way those nation of tribes Republic functioned.
Yet we wiped them out anyway. We did not distinguish between tribes, when eradicating them.
Note: your understanding of Native Americans is massively limited. For example, the California Native Americans mostly lived in peace because they had practically unlimited resources. They did not farm, because they had acorns, salmon, shellfish, game, and more acorns. They traded with Mexico, and the southwest. They were not "savage," nor were they "constantly at war."
Your description of communists as "dirty" pretty much defines your level of understanding of that economic theory.
Nothing is simple. Nothing is ever simple. If your answers are simple, look more deeply at the subject.
Your speaking of western tribes, I'm speaking of eastern, like the ones that were here when the settlers got here. Western expansion didn't happen until much later, and yes by that time it was far after the 7 year war. The march where many died was wrong, but that was far from what I'm speaking of; you have to conflate what's being argued into something it's not to come off as sounding somewhat intelligible. And I'm sure the differenciation was friendly or not.
Communism is tyranny, the few who speak, hold, and take from the many. Don't tell me what I know and don't as you gobble up any propaganda thats anti-Ameican, to whom which gives you the liberty to do so. The natives were not communists, they were tribal, something only untouched by the agricultural wave could retain, and nothing close to what your meager mind can manage to comprehend as you stare back into history with your rose colored glasses, damning your ancestors rather than learning from them.
You disgust me with your vapid ways. Just leave my nation and fix one of the many communist utopias already available. Sell your capitalist possessions and leave us for the greener grass..
Israelis are never leaving. That pipe dream is ruining the lives of Palestinians. To kick out Israelis would mean the return of European extreme antisemitism. I guess that’s what you want. Ethnic cleansing is good when done to Israelis and Jews, nice 👍
Go back to your hasbara handlers Josh Appel, you are nothing more than a pathetic, immoral Zionist troll. You are a disgrace to ALL Jews (for starters), and a failure as a human. I have nothing more to say to the likes of you.
Recent arrivals can leave. But I’ve always said people should be allowed to live where they were born and raised. No exceptions. But the descendants of exiled Palestinians should be allowed to live anywhere in historic Palestine. If this is allowed to happen, the most racist Jewish Israelis will probably make haste to leave the country back to Brooklyn, or Ukraine, or Germany or to some other whiter place than liberated Palestine. If they decide to stay and make trouble, the law can deal with them.
A one-state solution is filled with troubles. A two-state solution is filled with troubles. We might as well go with the most just and democratic solution. One state with various communities living on the land as amicably as possible. No special privileges, no special status for any group. Of course there world have to be a formal program of truth and reconciliation.
All of this would require a massive socio-psychological intervention to de-program Israelis from their hateful Jewish supremacism. Every group would need therapy for intergenerational psychological trauma.
Kind of gives you a better understanding of the trials faced by Mao doesn't it?
The USA supported the Banderites after WWII and actually nurtured that cult helping it to grow in Western Ukraine and attack Soviet soldiers even before the end of WWII through 1953. They were supported for decades until Jewish Supremacist Victoria Nuland maneuvered them into power in the 2014 Maidan Coup. From there on the American "Deep State" followed the prescriptions of the Rand paper on "over extending Russia", until (as Scott Horton shows in his book) Russia was provoked into a response.
The Hubris of the Anglo-American Oligarchy, which dominated the Biden Administration with "Jewish Supremacists", only thought of Russia as a gas station. Americans laughed and voted for the corruption they represented.
Under the leadership of Putin, Russia has fought to defend itself from the American Deep State. Whatever evils Putin committed, it was motivated by his Russian patriotism. Russia begged the USA for decades to achieve a new security arrangement, but the "Anglo-American Oligarchy/Deep State" only wanted to dominate Russia and extend the American empire.
BRICS was nothing until Russia stood up to the US in Ukraine. Now the combined BRICS economies is larger than that if the G7.
American's have its support of Israel as one of the primary reasons to thank for the decline of the American Empire, for the collapse of the American economy. "Jewish Supremacists" are well over-represented in the American Billionaire class.
Jews know what kind of religion they follow.
What's your plan? Will you allow Jews to dominate Congress through AIPAC bribes and police suppression? Will you allow the Jews to pursue American Imperialism?
I was raised on the evils of Mao's "re-education camps." Lately, that solution seems pragmatic, rather than evil.
I have thought that racist cops should have to go (individually) and live with a black family, paid to house and feed them (at a profit). After living with people for a time, you stop "othering" them.
Well Josh, I've debated this question before in another forum. I confessed that I wanted to see Israel wiped off the face of the globe. The response was similar to your's -- "Oh, so you want to see the return of antisemitism."
No Josh, I want a world where we all can get along, where good triumphs over evil. Israel has shown itself to be evil. There is nothing I can think of that Israel does that is good. I feel sorry for Israeli supporters like Mandy Patinkin who all these years always thought of Israel as a "safe place", but who never questioned why Jews needed to have a "safe place".
I have no problem with Jews. Jews have a problem amongst themselves. They've set themselves up as some throughly oppressed and separate people and so have for centuries refused to see the evil committed to promote their interests at the expense of others. The creation of Israel is the most damning evidence against the Jews because anything, including the founding of Murder Incorporated by Meyer Lansky, was justified if it protected Jews.
There was a lot of publicity given to the JVP protest where members wore black T-Shirts with Yellow lettering in support of Gaza. There are barely 30,000 members of Jewish Voices for Peace out of a US population of Jews that number around 7-9 million. I am sure there are members of JVP who honestly thought they were making a difference, but the truth is, like the "No Kings" protests, it was merely a publicity stunt to make the goy believe that "Jews aren't so bad."
Jews are infected with a belief that they are God's chosen, and therefore better than everyone else. This belief is similar to, but not as obviously wrong, as that of the Anglo-American Oligarchy which declares, "God loves me because I'm rich".
Jews and the Anglo-American Oligarchy -- a match blessed by Satan.
You don't get to definitely kill a nation because you have paranoid fantasies about what might happen someday if the worst comes to pass.
And if you think the anti-Judaism would arise because of Zionist Jews' actions, which is the only possible realistic reason it could happen, then a/ stop doing those things; b/ admit in public you were wrong and how and why (an apology is only good if the apologizer is able to describe the wrong they have done and the harm it caused--without including any excuses); c/ make amends like the Germans did--y'all are cozy with them now so this is possible; d/ take the lumps you have earned.
--You --The nutters are going to have to stop living in --your-- thror OCD past. There is no hereditary religion. There is no hereditary guilt. --Your-- Their group are not modern and won't be until --you/- they wake up to these items and to other items such as the unacceptability of wholesale murder, the unacceptable psychopathy of --your-- their rabbis and --your-- their demagogues, etc.
You know what -- I misread this as being a "we can ignore this notion". My apologies! In order to leave it for anyone who might think as I initially read it, I've simply updated the pronouns to move you out of range--I shouldn't have put you there.
Palestinians have not ethnic cleansed anyone.That is what zionists have done since 1947 to the natives of Palestine. Palestinians are semitic.zionists are Europeans and it is Europeans who abused Jews not Palestinians.Jews, Christians and Muslims lived together til Zionists began to want Palestine without the Palestinians.So many Jews around the world protest genocide.You justify it with lies and projecting your crimes on others. Shameless
I see no correlation between reversing the state of 'Israel' and anti-Jewish sentiment. It is completely unrelated.
The whole notion of 'anti-semitism' relating only to Jews (let alone to Israel) is also absurd. Palestinians and all Arabic-speaking peoples are also Semites.
October 7th was a predictable spasm of pent up retaliatory action by a chronically abused people. If October 7th was a spasm, the Israeli response is a continuous, hysterical convulsion of bloodletting and utter depravity.
There’s credible evidence that 9-11 was an inside job organized and aided by Mossad and some rabid neocons, and having seen how a sympathy generating tragedy can instantaneously win friends in high places, the Israelis most likely conspired to have some 1200 of their own killed in gruesome fashion to justify a huge, criminal overreaction a la the American bombing of Baghdad. There’s compelling circumstantial evidence which suggests that many of the Israeli casualties on October 7 were killed by aerial attacks that scream inside job.
>>"There’s credible evidence that 9-11 was an inside job..."
Nope, the 'inside job' conspiracy theory has been debunked completely (but that doesn't stop conspiracy theorists from believing one of several dozen conspiracy theories).
Here are some MORE very popular 9/11 conspiracy theories (amongst the many dozens out there) ->
(1) The Pentagon was hit by a missile.
(2) Air Force jets were ordered to “stand down” and not intercept Flights 11 and 175, which struck the twin towers. The twin towers were razed by demolition explosives, timed to go off soon after the impact of the planes.
(3) A mysterious white jet shot down Flight 93 over Pennsylvania.
(4) New York Jews were ordered to stay home that day (Zionists and other pro-Israeli factions, of course, were involved).
(5) And, behind it all, 9/11 was orchestrated by George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and the CIA, in order to implement their plan for global domination and a New World Order, to be launched by a Pearl Harbor–like attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, thereby providing the justification for war and galvanizing Congress and the public to back an invasion of Iraq.
What's hilarious is that many of these '9/11 conspiracy theorists' fight amongst EACH OTHER as to who's conspiracy theory is the 'TRUE conspiracy theory'. (Note: I haven't even mentioned the STUPID ones like 'dancing Israelis', 'fake CGI graphics', etc.)
You write with total confidence that all of the theories explaining 9-11 have been debunked. That’s rich. Let’s have a back and forth argument befitting eight year olds, shall we?
I watched that in real time when I was employed in a TV control room and there definitely was a crew of Israelis videotaping the towers at the time that the first plane flew into the tower. It was reported on the ABC Network, and within 48 hours it was under the rug.
When Bin Laden was first asked on camera if he was responsible, he said he was not, but when he realized that he would be blamed regardless, he owned it to inspire a following in the west.
There was a YouTube video that Iran television uploaded within two or three months of 9-11, where a U.S. Army General stated in a taped interview that his contacts in Army intelligence queried the head of Jordanian intelligence, and he said, “Mossad” without hesitation. The Army General stated that he had already believed that Israel was behind the attacks because they were the obvious beneficiaries and the only beneficiaries of the attacks.
Your comment shows that you are determined to shutdown any suggestion that 9-11 was a Zionist project, so I expect your reply to be in that vein.
One fact that you may not believe, but cannot disprove, and you can look this up. In the 1990’s an American TV serial called The Lone Gunman” featured an episode where a plot to fly jumbo jets into the WTC was the threat that the program’s heroes had to thwart.
Here is a deeper dive into why NO EXPLANATION, EVER will satisfy their 'conpiratorial urges' and hence they continue inventing narratives to make THEIR THEORIES unfalsifiable (and hence undebunkable) -> https://www.readthesequences.com/Belief-In-Belief
>>"You write with total confidence that all of the theories explaining 9-11 have been debunked."
Yes, the 'most popular' ones have ALL been debunked (but then you wouldn't know that unless you actually take on the task of debunking them yourself or looking for the debunked explanations, which conspiracy theorists and 9/11 Truthers never do due to confirmation bias).
But don't worry, there will ALWAYS be an endless supply of 'new' and 'revised' conspiracy theories on 9//11 (and JFK, and any such important events) for a very long time to come - that is the nature of 'conspiratorial thinking' and 'conspiracism'.
I could explain and debunk the 9/11 conspiracies (as I have many times before), but what's the point? I've never met (or even heard of) a 9/11 conspiracist that has EVER turned the corner (regardless of who is doing the debunking, regardless of evidence-based reasoning, and regardless of all the facts and critical thinking that invalidates all such theories).
To understand better what I mean, refer to Carl Sagan's 'The Dragon in My Garage' parable from his book "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" for more info (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Dragon_in_My_Garage).
Interesting, Chang... You know the term "conspiracy theory" was drummed up by the CIA as a way to shut down discussions they didn't want continuing, right? It's known as a "thought-terminating cliché."
You say that phrase seven times in a three-paragraph comment.
"Conspire" means "to plan with." It's basically all Humans do.
And if you think we know the real truth about what happened that day after they've lied about damn near everything else, perhaps our obviously genocidal government has a certain bridge to sell you.
Food for thought. (I won't bother responding to any follow-ups on this; other fights and all that.)
I had never, until this genocide, considered that 9/11 might have been orchestrated. But now it makes perfect sense. What is the difference between that and manufacturing 'reasons' to attack Iran? it all comes down to the same root cause - Israel's desire to conquer and occupy the entire region, whilst garnering support through Islamophobia.
You're an Aaron Good replica. I'd rather converse with the original (as conversing with you is pointless due to your half the time being 'high' while commenting here).
Again, with the insults. Do you really think you're going to change anyone's mind that way?
You couldn't possibly converse with Good. He'd tear your arguments apart in minutes. I see why you'd like to claim to be his equal though. It would be an honor to have someone that knowledgeable to think I was worth talking to.
I guess I should thank you for bringing up Good's name. Maybe your condemnations of him will convince a couple of people to look him up. I sure hope so.
But of course being a replica you would defend your original model Aaron Good. That is to be expected. Maybe try an original argument next time (if possible)?
I can't change your mind (and am not interested in that task as I have better things to do), though 'whatever causes you to get high' obviously can.
Look at how the various official and otherwise sanctioned media and on-the-ground accounts were amplified and trumpeted almost immediately starting on October 7. No 'organic' uprising or similar sequence of events is met with what, with hindsight now, were obvious canned narratives, channels of dissemination, and "western" media hysteria.
At the very least, October 7 was "LIHOP" within a pre-fertilized media and government messaging ecosystem. It was most likely even conducted by Israeli/Mossad infiltrators and paid traitors to Hamas - who by that point had created very impressive operational secrecy and security - individuals. Similar to what has happened in Lebanon (Hizbullah) and in Iran (the inside actors on June 13 and 14). I'm not trying to take credit away from Hamas for a brilliantly executed operation, but they were being played from the moment it was conceived, "Israel" was ready to capitalize and the "western" media was primed to push the whole thing past the point of no return. And anyone who has even bothered to do the reading and critical research knows that - no matter what good Hamas has done in Gaza - they were essentially midwifed by the "Israeli" security and surveillance state with much help from traitorous Arab accomplices over many years.
I cannot respond under chokaski since she blocked me so I'll do it here - you're wasting your time with her. She believes Warren commission headed by Allen Dulles that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone killer of JFK. Everything else is conspiracy for her. She always sides with the government and its poodles inspired by the CIA's definition of "conspiracy".
Ask her if she believes Israel when it claimed it mistook USS Liberty for the Egyptian ship. I bet she'll say she believes Johnson etc. I'll have a chuckle hearing that. I always enjoy when she bites.
But most likely she'll duck. She can only dump the stuff she digs up from the shitlib sewer sites identified by google as she's incapable of coming up with anything original. Common sense and chokaski are incompatible.
When a four for four “success rate” for supposed hijackings of supposed commercial airliners whereby nary a hijack signal (standard protocol) or black box retrieval occurs, common sense smells fish. When the supposed “crash sites” don’t look like commercial airliner crash sites (swallowed whole), common sense smells fish.
When the Pentagon (highly protected airspace?) is supposedly struck by a hijacked commercial airliner making overly lengthy and dubious maneuvers well after two other supposedly hijacked airliners have supposedly struck the Twin Towers, common sense smells fish.
The energy required to pulverize massive amounts of concrete does not equate to a structural failure. Massive steel structures don’t “fail” symmetrically at free fall speeds.
The “themes” of the day were: you are going to swallow our story whole, and there will be “no resistance.” Looks like the brazen and bloody sonsofbitches got away with it.
There are some highly opinionated folks commenting here, and I tend to avoid interacting with the ones that overtly defend historically problematic perspectives. I guess I’m more casual than a lot of other commenters, but I was taken aback by “…the ‘inside job’ conspiracy theory has been debunked completely…” That’s flat earth level denial.
Wait till you get a load of all the condescending psychological “insight.” And how to critically think your way to the conclusion that Oswald killed Kennedy.
I've observed her for a couple years now - I think she appeared late in 2023. Not sure if she's paid. I'm more inclined towards her being plain stupid - something she herself admitted several times (because of having been in love with Dems, voting for them etc).
And now like former alcoholics having found sobriety and pooping every party they're at, or some neophytes of obnoxious proselytizing type preaching their "enlightenment", she seems to have found that all her past beliefs were crap. Hence, being stupid, she thinks that everyone else also has been asleep and she's on a mission to enlighten them.
I've encountered such types - they realize they have certain deficiencies and try too hard to overcompensate elsewhere. I think she's just that - an overcompensating moron.
The problem is she never explained - let alone debunked - anything. Always ducks. In the best case just dumps a bunch of googled links.
An extremely sleazy character, lying not just about things, but people in the forum as well. When pressed for proof - again ducks. Eventually blocks you if you persist.
Exactly. It was no different than the uprisings of the Jews, Roma, Slavs and dissidents (communists, socialists, etc.) in the Nazi concentration camps. Except that Gazans have been kept in these conditions for decades and not just a few months or years.
A key facet of how all of this is portrayed in "western" media is always: "forget what you've learned in history books. and wait while we carry out our goals." He who owns the present...
In a "just" world, October 7 should have been A LOT worse for the "Israelis."
Zionism is a hopelessly distorted and contorted image of reality. A racist mental illness of vast proportions. No one should expect anything but lies and psychopathic actions. Nothing should ever surprise anyone in terms of either its viciousness or its heartlessness. No sympathy is ever warranted.
It reminds me of another Concentration Camp Revolt that also happened in October. It's Sobibor on October 14, 1943. Those Ashkenazis gave the Nazis Hell, killed a bunch and were all eventually wiped out.
Resistance to occupation is righteous, legal, legitimate, and noble. Only Palestinians have right to self-defense. Genocidal jewish occupiers have no such right.
The epitome of heroism manifest in the person of Yayah Sinwar - he defied the Zionist entity right up until the end. To call Hamas a terrorist organisation, ignoring 76 years of Jewish and Israeli terrorism, is to turn the truth on its head.
Jews worldwide applaud the Warsaw Resistance in 1943, but fail to see the very obvious parallels to the actions of Hamas today against the Izraeli nazis.
So right ! After Hamas - supported by Netanyahu to split the resistance, with Israeli funds going via Qatar - after it narrowly won the 2006 election and started firing annoying rockets (only one Israeli killed in nearly 20 years) Israel ramped up bombing attacks on Gaza called by them “mowing the lawn”
- around three thousand were killed especially in two of these murderous operations lasting days. The Hamas attack of 2023 was in response to this, not to mention the Nakba itself
And Netanyahu pumped it by standing down the Israeli army for 12 hours the night and morning it happened, against the weeks of advice from the female Israeli soldiers manning the electronic surveillance apparatus, who insisted that Hamas was practicing for an offensive.
Netanyahu needed it to happen, and happen big,and he assured that, along with his intel and covert-ops chiefs.
Israelis in tanks and choppers killed most of the Isreli civilians that died, rather than let them be taken as hostages, then blamed Hamas.
>>"Netanyahu needed it to happen, and happen big..."
Nope! Oct 7th was NOT a false flag, though it may appear/seem as such with hindsight bias. It was a factor of many things - hubris, incompetence, over-confidence, over-reliance on technology instead of human intelligence, and more (on the part of Israel).
What followed AFTER Oct 7th was Israel CAPITALIZING on the event to carry out their 'long-term' agenda that they've had even before 1948 - that of completely ethnically cleansing Palestinians from all of Palestine (by any means necessary).
In conspiracy circles (and especially in the context of false flags), there are two popular theories ->
(1) LIHOP -> Let it happen on purpose
(2) MIHOP -> Made it happen on purpose
Here are 2 examples of SUCH THINKING from history ->
(1) Almost immediately after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, conspiracy theorists went to work to prove that President Franklin D. Roosevelt must have known it was coming, because of the so-called bomb plot message that was intercepted in October 1941 by US intelligence. With hindsight bias in full operation, conspiracists have concocted theories ranging from President Roosevelt letting it happen on purpose to those who think he made it happen on purpose.
(2) President George W. Bush was subject to the same type of conspiratorial hindsight bias after 9/11, when a memo dated August 6, 2001, surfaced, entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US.” Reading the memo in hindsight is eerie, with references to hijacked planes, the bombing of the World Trade Center, and attacks on Washington, DC, and the Los Angeles International Airport. The only question for conspiracists was, Did President Bush let it happen on purpose (LIHOP), or did he make it happen on purpose (MIHOP)?
[If you read this message in a pre-9/11 mindset, however, and put it in the context of the hundreds of intelligence memos tracking the various comings and goings and potential targets of al-Qaeda—an international organization operating in dozens of countries and targeting numerous American embassies, military bases, naval ships, and the like—it is not at all clear when, where, or if such attacks might happen.]
Similarly, the Oct 7, 2023 attack was neither LIHOP nor MIHOP. It was a conceivable action/reaction by the Gazans to DECADES of oppression, repression, exploitation, and terrorization that was IGNORED (or treated lightly) by Israelis.
That 911 is a false flag carried out with the complicity of the highest levels of the US Gov is not based on a memo but on overwhelming evidence, and it is beyond a reasonable doubt.
Likewise, October 7 was carried out by Hamas, an Israeli creation, where the foot soldiers are indeed Palestinians but its leadership is controlled by Israel. If you read the Israeli news media since that day, it is also beyond a reasonable doubt that the Israeli Gov was complicit, let it happen first, made it worse next, with Apache helicopter destruction, so they would have their excuse to finally complete their 1948 project of getting rid of all Palestinians in Palestine.
Have you considered that maybe YOU are the one deceiving YOURSELF? (unintentionally of course). But you're in good company on Substack - many conspiracy theorists to keep you company.
BTW, have you considered why NO intellectual person of merit believes in such 9/11 conspiracies? Why don't you ask/find-out what Chris Hedges, Jeffrey Sachs, John Mearsheimer, Noam Chomsky, Vijay Prashad, Michael Wolff, Seymour Hersh (and so many others of repute) think about this? You will find that NOT A SINGLE ONE of these people endorse any of these false-flag conspiracy theories (same applies for Oct 7 false flag conspiracies).
See, I use my own brain to reach conclusions, I don't care what those who are allowed to speak are saying, nobody thinks for me but myself.
There are sufficient evidence in both cases to reach the verdict of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and at this stage being unable to see it is beyond naive, it is wilful, although possibly unconscious wilfulness.
Here is a basic philosophical truth for you:
Single facts can never be “proved” except by their coherence in a system. But, as all facts come singly, anyone who dismisses them one by one is destroying the conditions under which the conviction of new truth could arise in the mind.
F. C. S. Schiller, Philosophy Professor, Oxford University
This is what you are doing, you dismiss all the facts one after the other, which prevents you to see the emerging truth of the matter.
You end up with grown adults believing that 2 planes made of aluminium could bring down 3 steel-framed buildings, in free fall.
I did not assert that October 7 2023 was a "false flag", amigo.
That is a straw-man argument. You might be able to do better than that.
When FDR cut off oil to Japan, and iron ore, and made a secret treaty with the Dutch Empire to join a war against Japan, following Commander McCollum's advice to the letter, to get Japan to attack the US, so that he could join the European war, it was not a "false flag", was it? https://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/McCollum/index.html
FDR DID monitor the Japanese radio transmissions. They did not keep radio silence. He got all of the aircraft carriers out of Pearl Harbor 2 weeks before December 7, 1941 and he got the rest of the modern ships out on December 2.
He kept the local commanders and men in the dark.
Many died. He got what he wanted.
I am asserting, and the evidence is out there, that Netanyahu did the same thing, and especially that he stood down the Israeli army so that they could be caught in their barracks without warning.
It is well documented that all of the burns and more than half of the Israeli civilian deaths, almost all the festival deaths, were from Israeli "friendly" fire.
The IDF killed all Israelis that were liable to become hostages, and that story was run by Haaretz.
I did not assert that October 7 2023 was a "false flag", amigo.
Yes, you did - though you're playing word games to pretend otherwise. Your current comment is doubling-down on the LIHOP (Let it happen on purpose) theory of 'false-flags'.
9-11 was a false flag. Pearl Harbor and October 7 might be called "facilitated enemy operations to provide casus belli", though that is sort of a mouthful.
FDR didn't strafe Americans though, and Netanyahu did order strafing and tank bombardment of Israelis, so that much is false-flaggy, though "they werejust trying to kill the terrorists" of course...
What were the Gazan Arabs supposed to do against their 75yr long genocide by Israelis in 2023?
What are today's Nations supplying weapons to Israel supposed to do to end their genocide complicity? Their residents are supposed to learn about their obligations under the Genocide Convention (and other human rights treaties) and organize political resistance.
The Australian Greens are always against Genocide, and the Australian Labor Party is beginning to organize, with Victoria Labor leading:
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that this genocide started the first day the zionists were allowed to have space in part if Palestine.
They arrived armed and ready to kill, not build a relationship, but to kill, and kill and rape they did then bragged about it even about they rape of a pregnant woman and cutting of her baby from her womb after killing her -- there is no way in this world that I could be convinced that there is any humanity in Zionist Jews, there is certainly no humility for the fact that American taxpayer's money is sent in billions each year, that the US sends arms to them at an unbelievable rate, yet they see themselves as somethjng special when they are simply scroungers.
There is no one lower on this earth than those occupying Palestinian land while abusing through torture and starvation the and murder.
"October 7 was a response to the tyranny and abuse of Israel; the correct thing to do when things finally came to a head with the Hamas attack would have been to remove all the tyranny and abuse which gave rise to it."
Exactly. Israel had a choice. They could stop abusing the indigenous people of Palestine, but they chose to continue their reign of terror instead. That's why I ignore anyone who tries to use that October 7th excuse. It's not a serious question.
I have been seeing the"Palestine is an open air prison"comments and even on bumper stickers for at least the last 10 years,and it inspired me to look up what was really going on with just that one statement.
Israel walled in Palestine at least that long ago,if not longer,and these people couldn't leave,couldn't access needed supplies or support,because no matter where they tried to go through to access it,was yet another checkpoint to go through and a denial to match.But Israel has continued access to Palestine,bulldozing their homes,bombing them,and killing their citizens for no reason.They have also been steadily building their own houses over top of where the Palestinians once lived.Over and over the demands for that to stop have gone largely unheeded.
Israel has always claimed all of this was one sided,that Palestine was forever attacking them,killing their people,they were helpless to stop them,etc,etc,and nauseam,but when one starts reading the real story of how the Palestinians have tried for years to get a country of their own,and Israel being diametrically opposed to that happening,tells more than most people are even aware of.They want to believe the whole surrounding area around them,Palestine,Lebanon,Syria,Jordan,etc.,should also belong to them,and they use that to get away with attacking them too.They weren't happy with the little bit that Great Britain"gave"them,they still expect all of it to be theirs.
Israel goes around claiming they are"GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE",but the truth of the matter is,we are all chosen.For them,it serves as the perfect excuse to perscecute their neighbors all around them,and makes all these otherwise progressive,modern countries blindly go along with all the wars they continue to start.All whilst they just sit around and watch a whole entire nation of people driven to extinction,and dare anyone to even thinking of trying to stop it from happening.The craziest thing about that is,the Christianists think if Israel"wins", Armageddon will"come".It is absurd that these people think they can invoke"God's will"on demand,as if they think he's just going to go along with them.
It just seems crazy to allow one nation free reign to do as they please,without consequences,and then act like they're offended when they're called out for it.
One should add to your detail that Israel is now regarded as 'the greatest liar's unhung'.
(Also, the most hated state in living memory.)
Supported by mainstream media, known as 'the greatest liars in print'.
The seen-to- be 'greatest propagandist in living memory', name of Joesph Goebbels of Third Reich fame, has now been relegated to a ' pale comparison to Israel ' and its captive media puppets in 2025.
Their god has horns and a tail, and likes them to rape young girls in dark underground places, while his rabbis chanting blessings to the rapists. The only caveat is that the child must have had her/his third birthday. Now, do you understand why so many paedophile move to israhell?
The question should be "What really happened on October seventh and why are we not permitted to carry out an international investigation". That really is the only question
You are asking the wrong question! You are replacing the question from past Oct. 7. with one pre Oct. 7. What you should be asking and analyzing is Oct. 7. itself.
A cat can not approach the fence w/o triggering IDF response (2 min top if I am not mistaken). Gaza is effectively a concentration camp, nothing comes in or goes out w/o IDF knowledge. To assume Hamas somehow got all the material and 6h "free" time to enter Israel is faux pas of colossal magnitude. Hamas has been created and financed by USA and Israel (their own words) to undermine PLO, thus prevent two-state solution. Hamas may have gotten out of Israel control, but they are still infiltrated, guided and constrained by Israeli funding. The only way Oct. 7. could have happened is with Isreal's planning and full participation, as a part of larger plan: kick of ethnic clensing of Gaza, destroy Syria, and go on to Iran with full USA backing.
i strongly object against this narrative. for one that hamas got all the material and 6h free time is not an assumption. it happened. this narrative also contributes very much to the initial 'demonization' of hamas. western oligarchs have been pushed back to their 'two state solution' fantasy. it is their second line of defense (a concentration camp run by capo's) in which it is essential that hamas is not part of the government. (the israeli ploy of preventing any road to a 'two state solution' has also kinda failed as hamas has already somewhat compromised to a 'two state solution', being accepting an initial sovereign palestinian state within the 1967 borders, that is: without the demand that the israeli's immediately leave the rest of palestinian territory).
what hamas and Islamic jihad did was perfectly legal according to international law.. an oppressed occupied people have a legal right to resist, by any means necessary including violence. the real question is why no one comes out and says that. even this guy Aguilar, said he drove to the site where the raid took place. he has no idea about the history of the Palestinian people, their rights and the fact that in all likelihood the idf killed more civilians than hamas, thanks to the hannibal directive which no one seems to mention either. there are still people walking around talking about rape and babies being beheaded.
Netanyahu gave a speech at the UN prior to Oct 7th. He displayed a map that showed his plan and It had Israel in full control of Gaza and the West Bank. No Palestinian state. And the Palestinians were supposed to just accept that.
The Saudis and Egyptians are just pathetic US puppets. Apart from innocent bloodshed, I hope they try it...then, perhaps, they may find their teeth, though I doubt it. Greater Israel here we come, then the whole world should be very afraid.
Which is a polite way of saying public stupidity. On full display every day all around us.
Also it's vanity - somehow people assume something too in their face cannot happen because, you know, it's they who are confronted with it and how can they be so disrespected. People think too highly of themselves and the manipulators use it skillfully.
Take 9/11. Absolutely bombastic; totally unpredictable; Hollywood-esque; complete success by the perps (unless you count Shanksville); etc.
Just too in our faces. To the point that a sizeable portion of the skeptic or "conspiracy" community (of which I am a proud and skeptical member) are willing to believe nonsense like holographic planes, directed energy weapons, and so on. Actors like Alex Jones are put (or allowed to be) in place for that precise reason. While the majority of people trust the establishment, i.e., "official conspiracy theory", a good number of others needs to be 'incredulized' into off-the-wall obviously phony and completely impossible theories for what they saw as too 'in their faces.'
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William J. Casey, CIA Director (1981)
And it's no coincidence at all that Nutty-the-Yahoo was primed and ready to trot out "Israel's 9/11" on October 7.
>>"Israel has always been a settler-colonialist project that can only be sustained by nonstop violence and tyranny and theft and abuse and lies and breathtaking immorality."
Yes Caitlin. And settler-colonial scenarios usually follow one of two trajectories ->
(1) The original inhabitants are ethnically cleansed and genocided (like in North America), or
(2) The colonized FIGHT BACK and DRIVE OUT the colonizers (as the Algerians did with France)
I think most of us here are on the side of the Palestinians, fighting (in our own little ways) with them and alongside them against the colonizers that are Israel and the U.S. Empire.
Power to the Palestinians. FREE PALESTINE!
Chang,
"Israel would never allow justice and equality after October 7 for the same reason Israel would never allow justice and equality before October 7". Caitlin Johnstone today.
The most important point, made yet again by the rational and truthful writings of Caitlin.
Needs to be carefully remembered. I certainly can, memories going back even before
(1) the well organised assassination of JFK, giving Israel nuclear weaponry.
(2) the attack by Israel on the USS Liberty when the Israelis knew that they had the weak Americans by the vitals.
(3) then followed by the decision by the Zionist President Johnson to let the Israelis get away with the murder of 31 American sailors......and then to call back the US Air Force from trying to save the remaining crew.
ADD those up, one by one in the 1960's. A long time ago when 'from the river to the sea' was the theme song and "Eretz Israel' the long held plan.
Now of course, well under way with 86% of the elected disloyal American politicians now dancing to the Israeli theme song. Stealing a country called Palestine.
Each one displaying such a level of disloyalty deserving of a prison sentence for life.
A small reminder about all the brouhaha about communism in the 1950's. Compared to the Zionist control of America, now in play, communism was in truth, a minor concern.
Still is.
Oliver Stone co-produced a package of videos and an accompanying book titled An Unauthorized History of The United States. In it he postulates that the Cold War was a pretext for imperialist violence against (mostly brown) peoples.
Anticommunism was a big part of the extermination of the American left. The alienated American population is still exhibiting the damage from that concerted barrage of propaganda.
Are our idiot leaders, for the sake of a few bucks, not shooting themselves in the foot? Was one of the reasons we were all supposed to wish we'd rather be dead than red not the fear that communism must mean totalitarianism? Were not the freedom to think, and freedom to speak, and freedom to act, all freedoms only democracy could preserve? Was not monitoring and judging our every action something only commies would do? And yet: here we are. As under today's capitalism, so under communism. Except: communist states at least look after their people's material needs. Our politicians have left us with nothing to fight for except their mansions.
We are NOT under capitalism. https://www.courageouslion.us/p/communism-american-style The research behind that post can be verified easily.
What is wrong with communism? Simple! It is bad for capitalism and those who benefit from capitalism (capitalists) are terrified that their money making will be interfered with.
I think the fear of communism if unexamined comes across as a simple ideological article of faith, a defense of greed, if you will. But when we look at the American ethos, and its 18th century framers, the primacy of the individual, and the absolute belief in a hierarchical social structure that explains and legitimizes privilege, it becomes clear, that anti-capitalism was recognized as a natural human reaction to imposed inequality, so successful, heroic individuals had to bear witness to the FREEDOM of a market economy that has a few winners and a ton of overworked, undervalued workers and unemployed.
So to put a bow on this, the obsessive demonization of communism is a legitimate fear of human preferences for fairness and equality, because privilege isn’t perceived by anybody as a social need.
It should surprise no one that Zionism is now being deconstructed, because privilege, the root of the western liberal tree, can only be accorded to outsiders if they scheme and steal and lie and kill to maintain the system of privilege. The clock is ticking on the west. Viva the social media.
Maybe this will help you figure out what is wrong with it...https://www.courageouslion.us/p/communism-american-style
You ask what is wrong with communism. Well; for starters all people don't work equally and put effort into what they do. You should learn that in first grade! Some want to loaf off others and watch others do their work. So; communism does NOT work with human beings. It has proven to be a failed utopian dream in many, many, many cultures and in all racial groups.
Equality of effort put into doing the work, is a foreign concept within capitalism, not communism. Capitalism profits from the efforts of others. Those that profit are known as profiteers, not workers. What you learnt in first grade, discard it, look at US society today. It's rotten to the core. Are you one of those who have benefited from this corruption? Free free Palestine 🇯🇴🇯🇴🇯🇴
Your view of history and understanding of communism (as a philosophy) is warped and not true. There has been NO successful communist country in the whole history of man. As for "profit" --all I can say is if you think you don't have to pay to things, you will starve or be in jail because you would be guilty of stealing something you need. (Try that in a Islamic country and you will find out real quick what justice is.. Steal....I dare you.) Hamas is full of hatred....Why do you think not ONE...NOT one Arab country, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. etc. are not willing to take Palestinian refugees? Why? Why? Why?
The communist witch-hunt started in the State Department and was used to purge the supporters of FDR. Oh how the oligarchs hated FDR! Using the government to raise up the people? That's the end of the world.
Very interested information about Stone's theory. I look forward to reading/watching it. Thank you.
I believe the DVD series is available on Amazon. If you have access to a PUBLIC library, you might find it there.
Thank you. I'll try both.
Here is more than a theory...https://www.courageouslion.us/p/communism-american-style
When you look closely at the 10 planks of the Communist maniesto, what you find is an eerie parallel between what is currently THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INC FOR PROFIT corporation and Communism. It has to be much more than a coincidence. https://www.courageouslion.us/p/communism-american-style
I have "The Untold History of the United States" by Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick - that was the book that accompanied the series of videos
Yep, that’s what I was referencing. Stone is a very relatable teacher, because he doesn’t lecture. Although some film critics argue that he does lecture in many of his films, I think that he wants to penetrate the average American disinterest in politics. I met him about a decade after he had directed the movie JFK, at a film festival where he was a featured guest. I told him that I worked in the media, and for me, the genius of JFK (the movie) was how it emancipated so many American psyches who never believed the official story, but had no allies in the public light. Stone reinvigorated a silent, disenchanted segment of society. I told him that I worked in the industry to keep Americans in the dark, and he turned on a bright light!
Communism is a problem because McCarthy was stopped. It's still subverting this nation today.
This has nothing to do with Jews unless we look at how they love to use communists to achieve the goals of subversion through the use of said communists, playing one against the other. Jews and communists are similarly becoming ousted, more and more for what they've done, day by day.
I like my liberty, and if a dirty commie wants to take it, they'd get a bloody war instead. Get the hell out of my nation.
And learn some history, native Americans were two types, one savage singular tribes at war constantly with other tribes, and the other a Republic of tribes, were friendly with the colonists until the 7 year war, when at least some faught against the colonies with the French. Our nation is partially founded on the way those nation of tribes Republic functioned.
TOO LATE WESLEY...FACTS!! https://www.courageouslion.us/p/communism-american-style
Yet we wiped them out anyway. We did not distinguish between tribes, when eradicating them.
Note: your understanding of Native Americans is massively limited. For example, the California Native Americans mostly lived in peace because they had practically unlimited resources. They did not farm, because they had acorns, salmon, shellfish, game, and more acorns. They traded with Mexico, and the southwest. They were not "savage," nor were they "constantly at war."
Your description of communists as "dirty" pretty much defines your level of understanding of that economic theory.
Nothing is simple. Nothing is ever simple. If your answers are simple, look more deeply at the subject.
Your speaking of western tribes, I'm speaking of eastern, like the ones that were here when the settlers got here. Western expansion didn't happen until much later, and yes by that time it was far after the 7 year war. The march where many died was wrong, but that was far from what I'm speaking of; you have to conflate what's being argued into something it's not to come off as sounding somewhat intelligible. And I'm sure the differenciation was friendly or not.
Communism is tyranny, the few who speak, hold, and take from the many. Don't tell me what I know and don't as you gobble up any propaganda thats anti-Ameican, to whom which gives you the liberty to do so. The natives were not communists, they were tribal, something only untouched by the agricultural wave could retain, and nothing close to what your meager mind can manage to comprehend as you stare back into history with your rose colored glasses, damning your ancestors rather than learning from them.
You disgust me with your vapid ways. Just leave my nation and fix one of the many communist utopias already available. Sell your capitalist possessions and leave us for the greener grass..
Scenario 1: Canada, US and Australia Scenario 2: Africa and Asia.
Israelis are never leaving. That pipe dream is ruining the lives of Palestinians. To kick out Israelis would mean the return of European extreme antisemitism. I guess that’s what you want. Ethnic cleansing is good when done to Israelis and Jews, nice 👍
Go back to your hasbara handlers Josh Appel, you are nothing more than a pathetic, immoral Zionist troll. You are a disgrace to ALL Jews (for starters), and a failure as a human. I have nothing more to say to the likes of you.
It's only (!) à zionist problem. They create anti-Semitism
Recent arrivals can leave. But I’ve always said people should be allowed to live where they were born and raised. No exceptions. But the descendants of exiled Palestinians should be allowed to live anywhere in historic Palestine. If this is allowed to happen, the most racist Jewish Israelis will probably make haste to leave the country back to Brooklyn, or Ukraine, or Germany or to some other whiter place than liberated Palestine. If they decide to stay and make trouble, the law can deal with them.
A one-state solution is filled with troubles. A two-state solution is filled with troubles. We might as well go with the most just and democratic solution. One state with various communities living on the land as amicably as possible. No special privileges, no special status for any group. Of course there world have to be a formal program of truth and reconciliation.
All of this would require a massive socio-psychological intervention to de-program Israelis from their hateful Jewish supremacism. Every group would need therapy for intergenerational psychological trauma.
Yes.
This is one of the sanest concise summaries I've read.
I am interested to know what your "socio-psychological intervention to de-program Israelis from their hateful Jewish supremacism" would look like.
Kind of gives you a better understanding of the trials faced by Mao doesn't it?
The USA supported the Banderites after WWII and actually nurtured that cult helping it to grow in Western Ukraine and attack Soviet soldiers even before the end of WWII through 1953. They were supported for decades until Jewish Supremacist Victoria Nuland maneuvered them into power in the 2014 Maidan Coup. From there on the American "Deep State" followed the prescriptions of the Rand paper on "over extending Russia", until (as Scott Horton shows in his book) Russia was provoked into a response.
The Hubris of the Anglo-American Oligarchy, which dominated the Biden Administration with "Jewish Supremacists", only thought of Russia as a gas station. Americans laughed and voted for the corruption they represented.
Under the leadership of Putin, Russia has fought to defend itself from the American Deep State. Whatever evils Putin committed, it was motivated by his Russian patriotism. Russia begged the USA for decades to achieve a new security arrangement, but the "Anglo-American Oligarchy/Deep State" only wanted to dominate Russia and extend the American empire.
BRICS was nothing until Russia stood up to the US in Ukraine. Now the combined BRICS economies is larger than that if the G7.
American's have its support of Israel as one of the primary reasons to thank for the decline of the American Empire, for the collapse of the American economy. "Jewish Supremacists" are well over-represented in the American Billionaire class.
Jews know what kind of religion they follow.
What's your plan? Will you allow Jews to dominate Congress through AIPAC bribes and police suppression? Will you allow the Jews to pursue American Imperialism?
I'm interested to see how it could work, as most of them are so far-gone they're zombies. But work it must.
I was raised on the evils of Mao's "re-education camps." Lately, that solution seems pragmatic, rather than evil.
I have thought that racist cops should have to go (individually) and live with a black family, paid to house and feed them (at a profit). After living with people for a time, you stop "othering" them.
Well Josh, I've debated this question before in another forum. I confessed that I wanted to see Israel wiped off the face of the globe. The response was similar to your's -- "Oh, so you want to see the return of antisemitism."
No Josh, I want a world where we all can get along, where good triumphs over evil. Israel has shown itself to be evil. There is nothing I can think of that Israel does that is good. I feel sorry for Israeli supporters like Mandy Patinkin who all these years always thought of Israel as a "safe place", but who never questioned why Jews needed to have a "safe place".
I have no problem with Jews. Jews have a problem amongst themselves. They've set themselves up as some throughly oppressed and separate people and so have for centuries refused to see the evil committed to promote their interests at the expense of others. The creation of Israel is the most damning evidence against the Jews because anything, including the founding of Murder Incorporated by Meyer Lansky, was justified if it protected Jews.
There was a lot of publicity given to the JVP protest where members wore black T-Shirts with Yellow lettering in support of Gaza. There are barely 30,000 members of Jewish Voices for Peace out of a US population of Jews that number around 7-9 million. I am sure there are members of JVP who honestly thought they were making a difference, but the truth is, like the "No Kings" protests, it was merely a publicity stunt to make the goy believe that "Jews aren't so bad."
Jews are infected with a belief that they are God's chosen, and therefore better than everyone else. This belief is similar to, but not as obviously wrong, as that of the Anglo-American Oligarchy which declares, "God loves me because I'm rich".
Jews and the Anglo-American Oligarchy -- a match blessed by Satan.
Where is Rosa Luxemburg when you need her?
Agree 💯 with you
You don't get to definitely kill a nation because you have paranoid fantasies about what might happen someday if the worst comes to pass.
And if you think the anti-Judaism would arise because of Zionist Jews' actions, which is the only possible realistic reason it could happen, then a/ stop doing those things; b/ admit in public you were wrong and how and why (an apology is only good if the apologizer is able to describe the wrong they have done and the harm it caused--without including any excuses); c/ make amends like the Germans did--y'all are cozy with them now so this is possible; d/ take the lumps you have earned.
You have a LOT of deaths on your list of sins.
You've earned the death penalty many times over.
'make amends like the Germans did--y'all are cozy with them now so this is possible'
Yes... we forget this.
--You --The nutters are going to have to stop living in --your-- thror OCD past. There is no hereditary religion. There is no hereditary guilt. --Your-- Their group are not modern and won't be until --you/- they wake up to these items and to other items such as the unacceptability of wholesale murder, the unacceptable psychopathy of --your-- their rabbis and --your-- their demagogues, etc.
Why are you directing this at me?
You know what -- I misread this as being a "we can ignore this notion". My apologies! In order to leave it for anyone who might think as I initially read it, I've simply updated the pronouns to move you out of range--I shouldn't have put you there.
Palestinians have not ethnic cleansed anyone.That is what zionists have done since 1947 to the natives of Palestine. Palestinians are semitic.zionists are Europeans and it is Europeans who abused Jews not Palestinians.Jews, Christians and Muslims lived together til Zionists began to want Palestine without the Palestinians.So many Jews around the world protest genocide.You justify it with lies and projecting your crimes on others. Shameless
Like Algeria?
Anyway, notice, after October 7th, how many Israelis buggered off to wherever they came from?
I see no correlation between reversing the state of 'Israel' and anti-Jewish sentiment. It is completely unrelated.
The whole notion of 'anti-semitism' relating only to Jews (let alone to Israel) is also absurd. Palestinians and all Arabic-speaking peoples are also Semites.
Sending invaders back to their own countries is not “ethnic cleansing”. The Hasbara Handbook for Genocide Apologists is NOT a dictionary.
France enjoys good relations with some of its island colonies. Martinique, New Calidonia...
October 7th was a predictable spasm of pent up retaliatory action by a chronically abused people. If October 7th was a spasm, the Israeli response is a continuous, hysterical convulsion of bloodletting and utter depravity.
There’s credible evidence that 9-11 was an inside job organized and aided by Mossad and some rabid neocons, and having seen how a sympathy generating tragedy can instantaneously win friends in high places, the Israelis most likely conspired to have some 1200 of their own killed in gruesome fashion to justify a huge, criminal overreaction a la the American bombing of Baghdad. There’s compelling circumstantial evidence which suggests that many of the Israeli casualties on October 7 were killed by aerial attacks that scream inside job.
>>"There’s credible evidence that 9-11 was an inside job..."
Nope, the 'inside job' conspiracy theory has been debunked completely (but that doesn't stop conspiracy theorists from believing one of several dozen conspiracy theories).
Here are some MORE very popular 9/11 conspiracy theories (amongst the many dozens out there) ->
(1) The Pentagon was hit by a missile.
(2) Air Force jets were ordered to “stand down” and not intercept Flights 11 and 175, which struck the twin towers. The twin towers were razed by demolition explosives, timed to go off soon after the impact of the planes.
(3) A mysterious white jet shot down Flight 93 over Pennsylvania.
(4) New York Jews were ordered to stay home that day (Zionists and other pro-Israeli factions, of course, were involved).
(5) And, behind it all, 9/11 was orchestrated by George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and the CIA, in order to implement their plan for global domination and a New World Order, to be launched by a Pearl Harbor–like attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, thereby providing the justification for war and galvanizing Congress and the public to back an invasion of Iraq.
What's hilarious is that many of these '9/11 conspiracy theorists' fight amongst EACH OTHER as to who's conspiracy theory is the 'TRUE conspiracy theory'. (Note: I haven't even mentioned the STUPID ones like 'dancing Israelis', 'fake CGI graphics', etc.)
You write with total confidence that all of the theories explaining 9-11 have been debunked. That’s rich. Let’s have a back and forth argument befitting eight year olds, shall we?
I watched that in real time when I was employed in a TV control room and there definitely was a crew of Israelis videotaping the towers at the time that the first plane flew into the tower. It was reported on the ABC Network, and within 48 hours it was under the rug.
When Bin Laden was first asked on camera if he was responsible, he said he was not, but when he realized that he would be blamed regardless, he owned it to inspire a following in the west.
There was a YouTube video that Iran television uploaded within two or three months of 9-11, where a U.S. Army General stated in a taped interview that his contacts in Army intelligence queried the head of Jordanian intelligence, and he said, “Mossad” without hesitation. The Army General stated that he had already believed that Israel was behind the attacks because they were the obvious beneficiaries and the only beneficiaries of the attacks.
Your comment shows that you are determined to shutdown any suggestion that 9-11 was a Zionist project, so I expect your reply to be in that vein.
One fact that you may not believe, but cannot disprove, and you can look this up. In the 1990’s an American TV serial called The Lone Gunman” featured an episode where a plot to fly jumbo jets into the WTC was the threat that the program’s heroes had to thwart.
Here is a deeper dive into why NO EXPLANATION, EVER will satisfy their 'conpiratorial urges' and hence they continue inventing narratives to make THEIR THEORIES unfalsifiable (and hence undebunkable) -> https://www.readthesequences.com/Belief-In-Belief
>>"You write with total confidence that all of the theories explaining 9-11 have been debunked."
Yes, the 'most popular' ones have ALL been debunked (but then you wouldn't know that unless you actually take on the task of debunking them yourself or looking for the debunked explanations, which conspiracy theorists and 9/11 Truthers never do due to confirmation bias).
But don't worry, there will ALWAYS be an endless supply of 'new' and 'revised' conspiracy theories on 9//11 (and JFK, and any such important events) for a very long time to come - that is the nature of 'conspiratorial thinking' and 'conspiracism'.
I could explain and debunk the 9/11 conspiracies (as I have many times before), but what's the point? I've never met (or even heard of) a 9/11 conspiracist that has EVER turned the corner (regardless of who is doing the debunking, regardless of evidence-based reasoning, and regardless of all the facts and critical thinking that invalidates all such theories).
To understand better what I mean, refer to Carl Sagan's 'The Dragon in My Garage' parable from his book "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" for more info (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Dragon_in_My_Garage).
Interesting, Chang... You know the term "conspiracy theory" was drummed up by the CIA as a way to shut down discussions they didn't want continuing, right? It's known as a "thought-terminating cliché."
You say that phrase seven times in a three-paragraph comment.
"Conspire" means "to plan with." It's basically all Humans do.
And if you think we know the real truth about what happened that day after they've lied about damn near everything else, perhaps our obviously genocidal government has a certain bridge to sell you.
Food for thought. (I won't bother responding to any follow-ups on this; other fights and all that.)
I had never, until this genocide, considered that 9/11 might have been orchestrated. But now it makes perfect sense. What is the difference between that and manufacturing 'reasons' to attack Iran? it all comes down to the same root cause - Israel's desire to conquer and occupy the entire region, whilst garnering support through Islamophobia.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0-Lvv1f5Qu4
Trust me... highly relevant if you watch until the end. 🎯 (Though recentish events may end up changing the final math on the "writing checks" part.)
>>"You know the term "conspiracy theory" was drummed up by the CIA as a way to shut down discussions they didn't want continuing, right?"
Nope. That ITSELF is a conspiracy theory (that has ALSO been debunked).
You scatter your conspiracy fantasies through a list of actual event that have been shown credible in order to create doubt.
Mossad was involved in the murder of JFK.
Obama did work to undermine Trump's election and should be charged with treason.
You're an Aaron Good replica. I'd rather converse with the original (as conversing with you is pointless due to your half the time being 'high' while commenting here).
Again, with the insults. Do you really think you're going to change anyone's mind that way?
You couldn't possibly converse with Good. He'd tear your arguments apart in minutes. I see why you'd like to claim to be his equal though. It would be an honor to have someone that knowledgeable to think I was worth talking to.
I guess I should thank you for bringing up Good's name. Maybe your condemnations of him will convince a couple of people to look him up. I sure hope so.
I hope so as well.
But of course being a replica you would defend your original model Aaron Good. That is to be expected. Maybe try an original argument next time (if possible)?
I can't change your mind (and am not interested in that task as I have better things to do), though 'whatever causes you to get high' obviously can.
Look at how the various official and otherwise sanctioned media and on-the-ground accounts were amplified and trumpeted almost immediately starting on October 7. No 'organic' uprising or similar sequence of events is met with what, with hindsight now, were obvious canned narratives, channels of dissemination, and "western" media hysteria.
At the very least, October 7 was "LIHOP" within a pre-fertilized media and government messaging ecosystem. It was most likely even conducted by Israeli/Mossad infiltrators and paid traitors to Hamas - who by that point had created very impressive operational secrecy and security - individuals. Similar to what has happened in Lebanon (Hizbullah) and in Iran (the inside actors on June 13 and 14). I'm not trying to take credit away from Hamas for a brilliantly executed operation, but they were being played from the moment it was conceived, "Israel" was ready to capitalize and the "western" media was primed to push the whole thing past the point of no return. And anyone who has even bothered to do the reading and critical research knows that - no matter what good Hamas has done in Gaza - they were essentially midwifed by the "Israeli" security and surveillance state with much help from traitorous Arab accomplices over many years.
Israeli soldier reveals 'strange order' to cancel Gaza border patrols on 7 Oct
The revelation adds to evidence suggesting Israel knew of the Hamas attack in advance, yet allowed it to occur
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/32277
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I cannot respond under chokaski since she blocked me so I'll do it here - you're wasting your time with her. She believes Warren commission headed by Allen Dulles that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone killer of JFK. Everything else is conspiracy for her. She always sides with the government and its poodles inspired by the CIA's definition of "conspiracy".
Ask her if she believes Israel when it claimed it mistook USS Liberty for the Egyptian ship. I bet she'll say she believes Johnson etc. I'll have a chuckle hearing that. I always enjoy when she bites.
But most likely she'll duck. She can only dump the stuff she digs up from the shitlib sewer sites identified by google as she's incapable of coming up with anything original. Common sense and chokaski are incompatible.
When a four for four “success rate” for supposed hijackings of supposed commercial airliners whereby nary a hijack signal (standard protocol) or black box retrieval occurs, common sense smells fish. When the supposed “crash sites” don’t look like commercial airliner crash sites (swallowed whole), common sense smells fish.
When the Pentagon (highly protected airspace?) is supposedly struck by a hijacked commercial airliner making overly lengthy and dubious maneuvers well after two other supposedly hijacked airliners have supposedly struck the Twin Towers, common sense smells fish.
The energy required to pulverize massive amounts of concrete does not equate to a structural failure. Massive steel structures don’t “fail” symmetrically at free fall speeds.
The “themes” of the day were: you are going to swallow our story whole, and there will be “no resistance.” Looks like the brazen and bloody sonsofbitches got away with it.
Yeah but chokaski prefers 9/11 Commission Report. I bet she has a copy studded with bookmarks, studied cover to cover.
Probably has a digital version—makes for easy copy & paste.
Didn't they sell the pdf too or provided it for free? The book one had to pay for IIRC.
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There are some highly opinionated folks commenting here, and I tend to avoid interacting with the ones that overtly defend historically problematic perspectives. I guess I’m more casual than a lot of other commenters, but I was taken aback by “…the ‘inside job’ conspiracy theory has been debunked completely…” That’s flat earth level denial.
Wait till you get a load of all the condescending psychological “insight.” And how to critically think your way to the conclusion that Oswald killed Kennedy.
She's very consistent in her defense of the government's/CIA's/etc stance on "conspiracies". To the point of being extremely obtuse.
Maybe she gets paid?
I've observed her for a couple years now - I think she appeared late in 2023. Not sure if she's paid. I'm more inclined towards her being plain stupid - something she herself admitted several times (because of having been in love with Dems, voting for them etc).
And now like former alcoholics having found sobriety and pooping every party they're at, or some neophytes of obnoxious proselytizing type preaching their "enlightenment", she seems to have found that all her past beliefs were crap. Hence, being stupid, she thinks that everyone else also has been asleep and she's on a mission to enlighten them.
I've encountered such types - they realize they have certain deficiencies and try too hard to overcompensate elsewhere. I think she's just that - an overcompensating moron.
I find your characterization of her politics to be correct.
Mostly a lot of empty hype and bluster.
And straight-up lies mixed in quite often.
Here's a fresh one - she's responding to unwarranted with "I could explain and debunk the 9/11 conspiracies (as I have many times before), but what's the point?" https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/what-was-israel-supposed-to-do-after/comment/141872118
The problem is she never explained - let alone debunked - anything. Always ducks. In the best case just dumps a bunch of googled links.
An extremely sleazy character, lying not just about things, but people in the forum as well. When pressed for proof - again ducks. Eventually blocks you if you persist.
Well, I find her annoying and I will persist until I get blocked.
9-11 was Hannibal on steroids
it is absolutely 100% certain a false flag to anyone but an idiot. Science says.
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Exactly. It was no different than the uprisings of the Jews, Roma, Slavs and dissidents (communists, socialists, etc.) in the Nazi concentration camps. Except that Gazans have been kept in these conditions for decades and not just a few months or years.
A key facet of how all of this is portrayed in "western" media is always: "forget what you've learned in history books. and wait while we carry out our goals." He who owns the present...
In a "just" world, October 7 should have been A LOT worse for the "Israelis."
A lot worse and a HELL of a lot sooner.
Absolutely spot on! The only issue I have with HAMAS FREEDOM FIGHTERS is why Oct 7th didn’t happen more than a decade ago!
Whenever I hear "October 7" as if we should all weep and wring our hands for poor, victimized Israel, I could fucking explode!
Zionism is a hopelessly distorted and contorted image of reality. A racist mental illness of vast proportions. No one should expect anything but lies and psychopathic actions. Nothing should ever surprise anyone in terms of either its viciousness or its heartlessness. No sympathy is ever warranted.
No sympathy for the devil ❤️🇵🇸
Me too! I just hear "excuse, excuse, excuse, we're all sociopath genocidaires".
It reminds me of another Concentration Camp Revolt that also happened in October. It's Sobibor on October 14, 1943. Those Ashkenazis gave the Nazis Hell, killed a bunch and were all eventually wiped out.
Agreed.
Or when I hear the word 'hostages'. Referring only to the Israeli (now exclusively military) variety.
i tend to respond with: 'what about putin's birthday?'
I am so sick of people blaming Hamas! They are heroes in my book and always will be. Fuck anyone who says otherwise!
Resistance to occupation is righteous, legal, legitimate, and noble. Only Palestinians have right to self-defense. Genocidal jewish occupiers have no such right.
The epitome of heroism manifest in the person of Yayah Sinwar - he defied the Zionist entity right up until the end. To call Hamas a terrorist organisation, ignoring 76 years of Jewish and Israeli terrorism, is to turn the truth on its head.
Jews worldwide applaud the Warsaw Resistance in 1943, but fail to see the very obvious parallels to the actions of Hamas today against the Izraeli nazis.
What did Netanyahu do to pump the damage of October 7 enough to justify his genocidal final solution?
So right ! After Hamas - supported by Netanyahu to split the resistance, with Israeli funds going via Qatar - after it narrowly won the 2006 election and started firing annoying rockets (only one Israeli killed in nearly 20 years) Israel ramped up bombing attacks on Gaza called by them “mowing the lawn”
- around three thousand were killed especially in two of these murderous operations lasting days. The Hamas attack of 2023 was in response to this, not to mention the Nakba itself
And Netanyahu pumped it by standing down the Israeli army for 12 hours the night and morning it happened, against the weeks of advice from the female Israeli soldiers manning the electronic surveillance apparatus, who insisted that Hamas was practicing for an offensive.
Netanyahu needed it to happen, and happen big,and he assured that, along with his intel and covert-ops chiefs.
Israelis in tanks and choppers killed most of the Isreli civilians that died, rather than let them be taken as hostages, then blamed Hamas.
>>"Netanyahu needed it to happen, and happen big..."
Nope! Oct 7th was NOT a false flag, though it may appear/seem as such with hindsight bias. It was a factor of many things - hubris, incompetence, over-confidence, over-reliance on technology instead of human intelligence, and more (on the part of Israel).
What followed AFTER Oct 7th was Israel CAPITALIZING on the event to carry out their 'long-term' agenda that they've had even before 1948 - that of completely ethnically cleansing Palestinians from all of Palestine (by any means necessary).
In conspiracy circles (and especially in the context of false flags), there are two popular theories ->
(1) LIHOP -> Let it happen on purpose
(2) MIHOP -> Made it happen on purpose
Here are 2 examples of SUCH THINKING from history ->
(1) Almost immediately after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, conspiracy theorists went to work to prove that President Franklin D. Roosevelt must have known it was coming, because of the so-called bomb plot message that was intercepted in October 1941 by US intelligence. With hindsight bias in full operation, conspiracists have concocted theories ranging from President Roosevelt letting it happen on purpose to those who think he made it happen on purpose.
(2) President George W. Bush was subject to the same type of conspiratorial hindsight bias after 9/11, when a memo dated August 6, 2001, surfaced, entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US.” Reading the memo in hindsight is eerie, with references to hijacked planes, the bombing of the World Trade Center, and attacks on Washington, DC, and the Los Angeles International Airport. The only question for conspiracists was, Did President Bush let it happen on purpose (LIHOP), or did he make it happen on purpose (MIHOP)?
[If you read this message in a pre-9/11 mindset, however, and put it in the context of the hundreds of intelligence memos tracking the various comings and goings and potential targets of al-Qaeda—an international organization operating in dozens of countries and targeting numerous American embassies, military bases, naval ships, and the like—it is not at all clear when, where, or if such attacks might happen.]
Similarly, the Oct 7, 2023 attack was neither LIHOP nor MIHOP. It was a conceivable action/reaction by the Gazans to DECADES of oppression, repression, exploitation, and terrorization that was IGNORED (or treated lightly) by Israelis.
You are deceiving yourself.
That 911 is a false flag carried out with the complicity of the highest levels of the US Gov is not based on a memo but on overwhelming evidence, and it is beyond a reasonable doubt.
Likewise, October 7 was carried out by Hamas, an Israeli creation, where the foot soldiers are indeed Palestinians but its leadership is controlled by Israel. If you read the Israeli news media since that day, it is also beyond a reasonable doubt that the Israeli Gov was complicit, let it happen first, made it worse next, with Apache helicopter destruction, so they would have their excuse to finally complete their 1948 project of getting rid of all Palestinians in Palestine.
>>"You are deceiving yourself."
Have you considered that maybe YOU are the one deceiving YOURSELF? (unintentionally of course). But you're in good company on Substack - many conspiracy theorists to keep you company.
BTW, have you considered why NO intellectual person of merit believes in such 9/11 conspiracies? Why don't you ask/find-out what Chris Hedges, Jeffrey Sachs, John Mearsheimer, Noam Chomsky, Vijay Prashad, Michael Wolff, Seymour Hersh (and so many others of repute) think about this? You will find that NOT A SINGLE ONE of these people endorse any of these false-flag conspiracy theories (same applies for Oct 7 false flag conspiracies).
See, I use my own brain to reach conclusions, I don't care what those who are allowed to speak are saying, nobody thinks for me but myself.
There are sufficient evidence in both cases to reach the verdict of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and at this stage being unable to see it is beyond naive, it is wilful, although possibly unconscious wilfulness.
Here is a basic philosophical truth for you:
Single facts can never be “proved” except by their coherence in a system. But, as all facts come singly, anyone who dismisses them one by one is destroying the conditions under which the conviction of new truth could arise in the mind.
F. C. S. Schiller, Philosophy Professor, Oxford University
This is what you are doing, you dismiss all the facts one after the other, which prevents you to see the emerging truth of the matter.
You end up with grown adults believing that 2 planes made of aluminium could bring down 3 steel-framed buildings, in free fall.
I did not assert that October 7 2023 was a "false flag", amigo.
That is a straw-man argument. You might be able to do better than that.
When FDR cut off oil to Japan, and iron ore, and made a secret treaty with the Dutch Empire to join a war against Japan, following Commander McCollum's advice to the letter, to get Japan to attack the US, so that he could join the European war, it was not a "false flag", was it? https://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/McCollum/index.html
FDR DID monitor the Japanese radio transmissions. They did not keep radio silence. He got all of the aircraft carriers out of Pearl Harbor 2 weeks before December 7, 1941 and he got the rest of the modern ships out on December 2.
He kept the local commanders and men in the dark.
Many died. He got what he wanted.
I am asserting, and the evidence is out there, that Netanyahu did the same thing, and especially that he stood down the Israeli army so that they could be caught in their barracks without warning.
It is well documented that all of the burns and more than half of the Israeli civilian deaths, almost all the festival deaths, were from Israeli "friendly" fire.
The IDF killed all Israelis that were liable to become hostages, and that story was run by Haaretz.
For whom do you work, if I might ask?
I did not assert that October 7 2023 was a "false flag", amigo.
Yes, you did - though you're playing word games to pretend otherwise. Your current comment is doubling-down on the LIHOP (Let it happen on purpose) theory of 'false-flags'.
9-11 was a false flag. Pearl Harbor and October 7 might be called "facilitated enemy operations to provide casus belli", though that is sort of a mouthful.
FDR didn't strafe Americans though, and Netanyahu did order strafing and tank bombardment of Israelis, so that much is false-flaggy, though "they werejust trying to kill the terrorists" of course...
The envelope is pushed.
What were the Warsaw Judaists supposed to do against their genocide by Nazis in 1943?
Never surrender to genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising
What were the Gazan Arabs supposed to do against their 75yr long genocide by Israelis in 2023?
What are today's Nations supplying weapons to Israel supposed to do to end their genocide complicity? Their residents are supposed to learn about their obligations under the Genocide Convention (and other human rights treaties) and organize political resistance.
The Australian Greens are always against Genocide, and the Australian Labor Party is beginning to organize, with Victoria Labor leading:
https://bsky.app/profile/davidshoebridge.bsky.social/post/3lvfo3zeu722k
Descendants will ask what did YOU do, during the zionist genocide of Palestinians in the 2020s?
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that this genocide started the first day the zionists were allowed to have space in part if Palestine.
They arrived armed and ready to kill, not build a relationship, but to kill, and kill and rape they did then bragged about it even about they rape of a pregnant woman and cutting of her baby from her womb after killing her -- there is no way in this world that I could be convinced that there is any humanity in Zionist Jews, there is certainly no humility for the fact that American taxpayer's money is sent in billions each year, that the US sends arms to them at an unbelievable rate, yet they see themselves as somethjng special when they are simply scroungers.
There is no one lower on this earth than those occupying Palestinian land while abusing through torture and starvation the and murder.
"October 7 was a response to the tyranny and abuse of Israel; the correct thing to do when things finally came to a head with the Hamas attack would have been to remove all the tyranny and abuse which gave rise to it."
Exactly. Israel had a choice. They could stop abusing the indigenous people of Palestine, but they chose to continue their reign of terror instead. That's why I ignore anyone who tries to use that October 7th excuse. It's not a serious question.
I have been seeing the"Palestine is an open air prison"comments and even on bumper stickers for at least the last 10 years,and it inspired me to look up what was really going on with just that one statement.
Israel walled in Palestine at least that long ago,if not longer,and these people couldn't leave,couldn't access needed supplies or support,because no matter where they tried to go through to access it,was yet another checkpoint to go through and a denial to match.But Israel has continued access to Palestine,bulldozing their homes,bombing them,and killing their citizens for no reason.They have also been steadily building their own houses over top of where the Palestinians once lived.Over and over the demands for that to stop have gone largely unheeded.
Israel has always claimed all of this was one sided,that Palestine was forever attacking them,killing their people,they were helpless to stop them,etc,etc,and nauseam,but when one starts reading the real story of how the Palestinians have tried for years to get a country of their own,and Israel being diametrically opposed to that happening,tells more than most people are even aware of.They want to believe the whole surrounding area around them,Palestine,Lebanon,Syria,Jordan,etc.,should also belong to them,and they use that to get away with attacking them too.They weren't happy with the little bit that Great Britain"gave"them,they still expect all of it to be theirs.
Israel goes around claiming they are"GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE",but the truth of the matter is,we are all chosen.For them,it serves as the perfect excuse to perscecute their neighbors all around them,and makes all these otherwise progressive,modern countries blindly go along with all the wars they continue to start.All whilst they just sit around and watch a whole entire nation of people driven to extinction,and dare anyone to even thinking of trying to stop it from happening.The craziest thing about that is,the Christianists think if Israel"wins", Armageddon will"come".It is absurd that these people think they can invoke"God's will"on demand,as if they think he's just going to go along with them.
It just seems crazy to allow one nation free reign to do as they please,without consequences,and then act like they're offended when they're called out for it.
Melissa.
One should add to your detail that Israel is now regarded as 'the greatest liar's unhung'.
(Also, the most hated state in living memory.)
Supported by mainstream media, known as 'the greatest liars in print'.
The seen-to- be 'greatest propagandist in living memory', name of Joesph Goebbels of Third Reich fame, has now been relegated to a ' pale comparison to Israel ' and its captive media puppets in 2025.
Their god has horns and a tail, and likes them to rape young girls in dark underground places, while his rabbis chanting blessings to the rapists. The only caveat is that the child must have had her/his third birthday. Now, do you understand why so many paedophile move to israhell?
The question should be "What really happened on October seventh and why are we not permitted to carry out an international investigation". That really is the only question
You are asking the wrong question! You are replacing the question from past Oct. 7. with one pre Oct. 7. What you should be asking and analyzing is Oct. 7. itself.
A cat can not approach the fence w/o triggering IDF response (2 min top if I am not mistaken). Gaza is effectively a concentration camp, nothing comes in or goes out w/o IDF knowledge. To assume Hamas somehow got all the material and 6h "free" time to enter Israel is faux pas of colossal magnitude. Hamas has been created and financed by USA and Israel (their own words) to undermine PLO, thus prevent two-state solution. Hamas may have gotten out of Israel control, but they are still infiltrated, guided and constrained by Israeli funding. The only way Oct. 7. could have happened is with Isreal's planning and full participation, as a part of larger plan: kick of ethnic clensing of Gaza, destroy Syria, and go on to Iran with full USA backing.
Exactly.
WELL said and STRAIGHT ON!
i strongly object against this narrative. for one that hamas got all the material and 6h free time is not an assumption. it happened. this narrative also contributes very much to the initial 'demonization' of hamas. western oligarchs have been pushed back to their 'two state solution' fantasy. it is their second line of defense (a concentration camp run by capo's) in which it is essential that hamas is not part of the government. (the israeli ploy of preventing any road to a 'two state solution' has also kinda failed as hamas has already somewhat compromised to a 'two state solution', being accepting an initial sovereign palestinian state within the 1967 borders, that is: without the demand that the israeli's immediately leave the rest of palestinian territory).
what hamas and Islamic jihad did was perfectly legal according to international law.. an oppressed occupied people have a legal right to resist, by any means necessary including violence. the real question is why no one comes out and says that. even this guy Aguilar, said he drove to the site where the raid took place. he has no idea about the history of the Palestinian people, their rights and the fact that in all likelihood the idf killed more civilians than hamas, thanks to the hannibal directive which no one seems to mention either. there are still people walking around talking about rape and babies being beheaded.
What were the Nazis supposed to do after the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising?
What were those poor slaveholders supposed to do when that Nat Turner attacked them without provocation?
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Netanyahu gave a speech at the UN prior to Oct 7th. He displayed a map that showed his plan and It had Israel in full control of Gaza and the West Bank. No Palestinian state. And the Palestinians were supposed to just accept that.
His map included Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Syria. Good luck to them all there if they havent woken up.
The Saudis and Egyptians are just pathetic US puppets. Apart from innocent bloodshed, I hope they try it...then, perhaps, they may find their teeth, though I doubt it. Greater Israel here we come, then the whole world should be very afraid.
“Only the small secrets need to be protected. The large ones are kept secret by public incredulity.”
— Marshall McLuhan
That has been one of my favorite quotes for many years. This explains how Israel has been able to get away with their disgusting behavior for so long.
Which is a polite way of saying public stupidity. On full display every day all around us.
Also it's vanity - somehow people assume something too in their face cannot happen because, you know, it's they who are confronted with it and how can they be so disrespected. People think too highly of themselves and the manipulators use it skillfully.
Take 9/11. Absolutely bombastic; totally unpredictable; Hollywood-esque; complete success by the perps (unless you count Shanksville); etc.
Just too in our faces. To the point that a sizeable portion of the skeptic or "conspiracy" community (of which I am a proud and skeptical member) are willing to believe nonsense like holographic planes, directed energy weapons, and so on. Actors like Alex Jones are put (or allowed to be) in place for that precise reason. While the majority of people trust the establishment, i.e., "official conspiracy theory", a good number of others needs to be 'incredulized' into off-the-wall obviously phony and completely impossible theories for what they saw as too 'in their faces.'
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William J. Casey, CIA Director (1981)
And it's no coincidence at all that Nutty-the-Yahoo was primed and ready to trot out "Israel's 9/11" on October 7.
And selective reporting, i.e. censorship by the mainstream media.
The very media controlled by citizens with dual passports. I don’t say allegiance, their allegiance only lies with Israel.
Hard to believe the money and weapons we have thrown at this truly evil state.
Terrorism didn't exist in modern form until Ziønists introduced it to Palestine and The World.
Hamas didn't exist until Ziønists persisted with their Murderous Pogroms and Ethnic Cleansing.
Israel is THE PROBLEM.