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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Foresight? US empire on Israel's leash? Nope, don't think so: that duo barely has hindsight. Kill kill kill, blunder forward inured to consequences. Correct me if I'm wrong, but ever since I reached the age of real reason (Vietnam), that has seemed to be the strategy. Pretty goddamned sick and tired of it Israel-US --- I no longer differentiate between the two conjoined entities.

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David Avenell's avatar

I agree with you there Vin. All these talking heads arguing about who's the tail and who's the dog fail to see that it's all the same dog.

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Jack Lomax's avatar

Wise not to try to differentiate since zionists control both.In Israel from the open postion of government; In the US from the Lobby and in Deep government of CIA etc.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Zionists are the ones running the show. They have Jewish, Christian, and secular supporters. It would be a huge mistake to be giving any of them a pass. That would be like focusing on only a small subset of your opponents. Who benefits from your doing that? Who benefits from not seeing a complete picture?

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

A complete picture necessitates the inclusion and endless berating (defecating upon) the whores in the media and US political class who lap-up Zionist blood-money to propagate the flat-out lies seeded by Israel and echoed by US state dept (Blinken, talk about a whore), then picked up by these quintessential mediocrities in $5000 suits and trumpeted to the half-braindeads over the cable "news" airways. Max Blumenthal is all over these people in his documentary "Atrocity Inc." I enjoy it when he calls them "marionettes"; so appropriate. Anyone needing to inflame their senses of sheer corrupt mendacious injustice should watch it on the Grayzone.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

I agree with you, Vin. And that's a pity. Others would feel the same.

But it is a small minority overall who are in there pitching for Israel, plus media, plus Presidential misfits and candidates, corrupted pubic servants, fully paid for politicians, investment profiteers like BlackRock, all within enough corrupted Jewish money in their coffers to influence decisions. That's the name of the game.

That is why we are where we are, today but that is nowhere near 330 million people, not even close.

If we have to wait for a gradual change back to occur through the laboured realisation of what genocidal Israel and arrogant Jewish thinking really means , Israel to just vanish bit by bit, it could take 20 years for decent American people to be in a position to remove every Israeli from the land.

For a dramatic change to occur, for America to become America once again and break from being an Israel tame puppet in double quick time, It needs to be a real threat to mainland USA. Just one. Only one perhaps. A country that does not care like North Korea, the target, New York where the impact will be substantial. A sharp realisation then that real change is necessary .....IMMEDIATELY.

So where to from here.? Election date 5 November. How do you turn it around?

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Likewise, I was at university facing the draft lottery upon graduation, having already witnessed the return of friends either in body bags or in hospitals sick with lymphoma from agent orange exposure. Good ol' USA ended or ruined countless lives, as you say for nothing in reality, For the perpetuation of delusional exceptionalist empire in the minds of our corrupt rulers, bought and paid for.

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Susan T's avatar

It's odd how the mainstream media never talks about how the Israelis use Palesinian prisoners as "human shields" or how they send them ahead to be sure there will be no explosives for the IDF soldiers to detonate. The Empire invaded Iraq because it had oil. Everything the US empire supports is to enrich itself. Maybe some of its lackeys are also enriched on the side too. The Empire threatens anyone who opposes them. Labels them as terrorists. Tortures them. Imprisons them. Threatens nuclear retaliation. The US Empire has completely lost it's ability (if it ever had it) to be rational and we will all suffer one way or another through the wars they foment and the environmental destruction they allow.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

The NYT had an article this week, October 14, 2024, on just that issue. The headline: “How Israel’s Army Uses Palestinians as Human Shields in Gaza.”

Just below: “Israeli soldiers and Palestinian former detainees say troops have regularly forced captured Gazans to carry out life-threatening tasks, including inside Hamas tunnels.”

Every once in a while, the NYT does a good job. You can count on the fingers of one hand just how often.

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martin's avatar

1. it's late (not news), the relevant outlets were reporting this a few months ago.

2. probably buried somewhat deeper under other actual 'news' (that is, things happening now) and never at a time when israel is invoking the 'human shields' trope (when it would actually counter israeli propaganda).

3. this will be used in the future as an alibi that they reported on all views and perspectives.

4. nyt is a malignant news outlet. these articles show that they actually know better and are intelligent enough to understand what they're doing the rest of the time. very bad newspaper, very bad people.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Well said Martin! You dissected the shadow narratives that NYT (and other such MSM outlets) use to maintain a facade of legitimacy. They are Empire propaganda outfits in EVERY WAY!

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Robert H Stiver's avatar

"The Empire invaded Iraq because it had oil." I don't agree. The Empire invaded Iraq because it was the most fervent Palestine supporter among the Arab world...it was invaded at Zionism's behest!

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Feral Finster's avatar

Apologists for the Kiev regime claimed for years that the people of Donetsk were, for no discernable reason shelling themselves (not only that, but to listen to the apologists, they also had artillery shells that can turn 180° midflight!) and also that they were trapped by evil Russians and were at the same time somehow deserving of punishment.

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Jane Baker's avatar

Zelensky was ordering his soldiers to rape and kill Russian speaking Ukranians in the Donbass. Zelensky is a Jew

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martin's avatar

maybe i'm somewhere biased, but to me the hostility towards russia in those things, the artificial resuscitation of the cold war 'enemy' and the total absence of a western counter narrative seemed so obvious, that it was hard to see it as a 'trick'. to me it looked pretty much 'in your face' what they were doing.

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

“Oh how heartbreaking and tragic, this is all very complicated.”

The most heartbreaking and tragic thing is very simple actually: Anyone who enjoys burning people alive and shooting children in the head is a psychopath. Anyone who continues to support anyone in a leadership position that funds these horrendous acts is a sociopath. It's not complicated at all.

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Dan Lieberman's avatar

The United States, beginning with the landing of the Pilgrims, and Israel, beginning with the landing of the Zionists, follow identical patterns of history. Both obtained assistance from the indigenous people and then obliterated them. Continuous wars, always in defense, never compromising, always killing mercilessly, and each convinced of their exceptionalism categorize the Israelis and Americans ─ partners in crime against humanity, willing accomplices to genocide.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Let’s not forget that Zionism began in the 15th century with early Christian Protestants in England, among whom were The Puritans.

It does add a further dimension to our analysis of this issue to realize the origins of Zionism pre-date political Zionism by some 400 years, and came out of a Messianic, religious tradition that exists to this day, and whose aim is total annihilation.

Trying to understand this as being a fully rational project will always leave out this aspect, and will continue to not be able to get a complete understanding of what we are seeing.

I’ve tried to condense it to a convergence of three main elements, Power, Profits, and Prophets. They each have different goals that are currently united, but there are deep contradictions. It might be of benefit to assess how these contradictions can be increased.

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Joseph McMillin's avatar

Unfortunately, decades of fluoride, vaccine adjuvants, and psychiatric drugs, among other agents, have destroyed the average American’s (especially those who live in blue cities and college towns) ability to comprehend the spiritual. Notice their total hostility to the very idea. So they simply cannot see the red-eyed beast that feeds them, strokes their vacuous heads, and ushers them toward annihilation. They will compile data and hold conferences all the way to the end, vainly searching reason for the answer to social and spiritual psychosis.

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John Mann's avatar

"Let’s not forget that Zionism began in the 15th century with early Christian Protestants in England, among whom were The Puritans. "

15th century? Interesting. Can you point me to some sources?

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Dan Lieberman's avatar

The Pilgrims bought their land from the Natives, but the Natives expected to continue to use the land's resources. The colonists built fences where no fences had ever been before, closing off their property to make the land their own. Tensions had long existed due to the two cultures different ways of life.

The Puritans arrival in America, which eventually became the Massachusetts Bay Colony, and their fatal encounter with the native population, set the stage for the settlement of the entire coast to coast territory. Insecurity and mistrust guided the relations between what became a nation of Americans and the indigenous populations. Superiority of U.S. military forces enabled American pioneers to move inexorably from the Atlantic to the Pacific oceans. Wherever the Americans arrived they found native peoples. Wherever they settled, the native peoples, even those who cooperated, like Chief Joseph and his Nez Perce tribe, were decimated.

The Zionist Jewish narrative closely follows the Separatist Puritan narrative. The early years of the development of the nation of Israel parallels the Puritan experience in America. Let us hope the trajectory will be detoured and the Israelis do not prove to be the New Puritans.

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Dan Lieberman's avatar

Perceptive and important.

The Pilgrims bought their land from the Natives, but the Natives expected to continue to use the land's resources. The colonists built fences where no fences had ever been before, closing off their property to make the land their own. Tensions had long existed due to the two cultures different ways of life.

The Puritans arrival in America, which eventually became the Massachusetts Bay Colony, and their fatal encounter with the native population, set the stage for the settlement of the entire coast to coast territory. Insecurity and mistrust guided the relations between what became a nation of Americans and the indigenous populations. Superiority of U.S. military forces enabled American pioneers to move inexorably from the Atlantic to the Pacific oceans. Wherever the Americans arrived they found native peoples. Wherever they settled, the native peoples, even those who cooperated, like Chief Joseph and his Nez Perce tribe, were decimated.

The Zionist Jewish narrative closely follows the Separatist Puritan narrative. The early years of the development of the nation of Israel parallels the Puritan experience in America. Let us hope the trajectory will be detoured and the Israelis do not prove to be the New Puritans.

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Antizionistic's avatar

I just saw a comment by an Israeli, commenting on a post by a Palestinian who said Israel killed another of his family member, now over 50 of them murdered in Gaza, saying "blame Hamas"

As if the IOF is run by Hamas. It's sickening and insane.

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Sam's avatar

Remind him that if he supports the IDF he’s supporting rape.

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

I think the Israeli he’s talking about is fully on board with rape, as is the large majority of the apartheid state.

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Rukshana Afia's avatar

Not quite - rape being bad or good depends on who is the perpetrator and who is the victim .

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CrumpledForeskin's avatar

That’s true, sadly.

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Maria Wiblin-moreno's avatar

Yup and also fabricating rape victims in the oct 7th attacks, for which there was zero evidence and making a big deal of it in the MSM …

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Antizionistic's avatar

There are a thousand things I could say in response, but I'm tired and can't afford to waste any more energy...I wish there was some magic words or line of reasoning to break the Zionist spell..

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David D's avatar

This genocide is so obscene and traumatic. Im oscillating between shock, grief and rage all day. I feel so bad for Palestine and the resistance in west Asia, embarrassed that my complicit nation is covering itself in shame. I hope the younger children of Blinken, Starmer, White House spokespeople et al. learn and become ashamed of their disgraceful parents.

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Klonda56's avatar

Not the way it works. Chris Hedges has some writings on the pathology of the rich and powerful. They pass it down. Blinken himself is a nepo-baby and 2nd gen Zionist pretending to serve US govt.

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David D's avatar

I’m hoping with time there’s more awareness which makes cognitive dissonance more difficult.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Cognitve dissonance doesn't always get resolved. What often happens over long periods of time is that people adapt their defense mechanisms and learn to live with cognitive dissonance.

If "having cognitive dissonance" solved problems, humanity would have had a different history that the reality we face currently.

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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Cancel U.N. Resolution Non Binding Resolution #181 establishing Israel. At least Expel Israel, or Cancel the U.N. USA/Israel puppet.

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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

Make Palestine Palestine . Wage Peace and Justice.

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A Parseeker's avatar

Whitewash House press briefings will make a powerful case against these scoundrels when they are on trial for aiding and abetting this genocide. Can’t wait.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

The entire Biden administration, yes that’s Kamala too, should be charged under 18 U.S. Code § 1091, the US law that incorporates the Genocide Convention. Let's find a way to charge them. There is no statute of limitations for this. They should have visions of prison all the days of their lives.

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David Avenell's avatar

"Off the top of my head I really can’t think of anything more absurd." I can.

The fact that so many fkn people believe that shit!

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Emma Goldman-Sherman's avatar

It is true - they really do believe it. My aunt (79) told me over the phone the other day (while working in her synagogue's gift shop) that the Israelis have always been so kind to the Palestinians as long as the Palestinians weren't out to get them. Yeah, this is what actual people think.

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David Avenell's avatar

At 79 your aunt should've seen enough of the reality to know the truth, but I guess if she's in Israel she's probably been it the mind field, being told what to think for most of her life.

But younger Israelis or non - Israeli cheerleaders have phones, Twitter, Tick Tock or YouTube and no excuse.

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Emma Goldman-Sherman's avatar

She is in Philadelphia, not Israel. She is a bright woman, and usually on top of things. But she is involved in a synagogue full of Zionists and has been a Zionist her entire life without really thinking about it. Many people are like this. More older than younger, of course. And she doesn't twitter or tiktok or youtube. And she doesn't really want to know - it's upsetting.

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Emma Goldman-Sherman's avatar

Yes, you are right (and yet it is so interesting to me that I respond physically with a pang of adrenaline when I read this, which I am sure your nervous system intended - we are such warring creatures - and yet I can take my nervous system in hand and calm myself with a voo or some other somatic healing instead of feeling as if I need to respond with any kind of escalation), yes, my own father built settler homes in the West Bank in the early 70s, yes my family is and was Zionist, and I - on the other hand - severed my ties to them early on, leaving home (it was violent) at 13. Yes, I have worked to undo what they have done - you can listen to my full length play about it here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/abrahams-daughters-by-emma-goldman-sherman/id1329778196?i=1000462709862 and yes that is not enough although it creates context for today even though I wrote it in 95 - it is now a "period piece" set in 93 which is when I was researching and documenting human rights abuses in Palestine. So yes to all of it.

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Stephen Walker's avatar

It’s ALL pure projection. Israel and the US are completely entranced with the power of the false flag operation to manipulate and control the minds of the masses.

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David Korabell's avatar

Yep. When you concluded about the Iraq invasion, I realized this is the U.S. result from Sept 11th.

It was a tragedy, but the U.S. used it as an opportunity - they furthered their agenda of authoritarianism at home, pushed for for violent colonialism in the middle east.

Unfortunately, the current middle east situation is starting to look a lot like Vietnam - escalate, bomb, repeat; rather than push for peace agreements. This is looking like years before anything resembling peace will occur.

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

You are way more optimistic than I am. Either we figure out how to stop them, and fast, or we perish. They are not above bringing on the WWIII, nuclear holocaust, in fact, for a large number of Christian Zionists, that is the objective.

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Stephen Walker's avatar

Maybe a large percentage of the brainwashed masses in the US and its empire of vassal states actually believe the genocidal lies and dross pumped out by the US oligarchy (government + corporate media). But even that percentage is shrinking fast, and almost none of the 83% of the global population that lives outside of the US empire believes any of this insulting shit. So when the empire comes crashing down (soon) these low-life weasels like Miller will be among the first to be convicted of crimes against humanity.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I doubt this.

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Stephen Walker's avatar

You doubt what? That most of the world doesn’t believe their lies? Or that these imperial criminals will face justice? When the empire collapses, do you think the rest of the world will just shrug and move on?

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JennyStokes's avatar

They will not face trial!

I am sure some of them will face trial but NEtanyahu won't neither will Biden.

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Stephen Walker's avatar

So you’re just another believer in the invincibility of the empire. Just like the invincibility of all the other empires that preceded this one. Empires never end, didn’t you know?

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JennyStokes's avatar

How dare you think you know this about me. I do not think Empires should exist and I can tell you I was born to colonial British parents in Sri Lanka after SL became a country.

Who in the British colonial wars ever got jailed?

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Stephen Walker's avatar

The current empire is a continuation of the British Empire. Unless you hadn’t noticed. The Anglo-Americans still control everything. If the British Empire had actually ended, they would hardly control a huge chunk of Cyprus, would they?

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Stephen Walker's avatar

You stated, “They will not stand trial!”

Your own testimony that you believe that the anti-empire forces will not prevail.

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Chuck Nasmith's avatar

People say the USA is 3 letters for Freedom and Demockracy. Wait...Correction...It is 5 letters. AIPAC, Oh wait, add D and R.

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Jenny Tuffnell's avatar

The US & Israel are “one” for now. The US has no friends, no loyalty, no integrity. Just as the criminal cabal in DC would sacrifice every American for $$, Israel shouldn’t be surprised to discover that they would be immediately thrown in front of the bus as soon as the deep state finds it to be expedient to do so. Who would have last laugh on that one?

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Shelley Chadwick's avatar

I think of Oct 7/10 as a suicide mission but, when you're in an abusive relationship and your kids are in danger, and you're being imprisoned, beaten, tortured and starved with no end in sight, you really have nothing to lose. You might as well risk a break out even if it's only seen as a cry for help in the hope somebody takes notice.

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