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Vin LoPresti's avatar

"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished, unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.” --Attributed to Voltaire

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Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

I love this quote

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John Raymond's avatar

Voltaire was a wicked freemason. Freemason do come up with some good sounding quotes... like their father, the father of lies.

Freemasons and commies are the worst of the worst. they stole Vatican in 1958

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martin's avatar

commie here, ty.

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John Raymond's avatar

I am very sorry, and Communism is condemned by Holy Mother Church. the only thing it did was give benefits to a few while murdering hundreds of millions. And legalizing abortion in 1917... for which many will go to hell.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

The fact that you can utter "Holy Mother Church." is just so so illustrative. You must mean, "Corrupt Robber, Illusion-Peddler, Kiddie-Diddler Church No?

Hell is what the ego makes of the present moment.

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John Raymond's avatar

Illusion peddler? you mean Salvation of souls?

people who say this are profoundly lazy in examing whether Jesus is God and whether He founded the Catholic Church.

research it now, before your eternity

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John Raymond's avatar

so she is Holy Mother Church. She is sole and unique means to salvation. Outside of her, there is no salvation….

you really need to think a bit… this is all logic and observable facts.

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John Raymond's avatar

on corruption… I live in Tx. My Priest flies from Ohio to Austin to offer Holy Sacrifice of the MAss, give us sacraments, give us counseling and contact. usually about 40 of us.

There is not a resident Catholic Priest in Tx. Great Apostasy.

how much do you think this greedy corrupt Priest makes? Or maybe he loses money? I think he is a living Saint

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John Raymond's avatar

so 1958 we lost Vatican.

Rape of children and vile coverup of this became huge in 1970s. When our enemies controlled Vatican, chanceries, parishes.

Did they enjoy these wicked crimes occurring on vast scale, and their mortal enemies, Catholic Church, being blamed ? I think so.

If you are serious about disgust of rape of children you need to look into this.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Listen here, John. I was a fucking altar boy for a couple years and had a young priest try to put his hand on my genitals. The diocese ignored this man. I was a microsecond from breaking his face. The Church hierarchy is corrupt top to bottom. End of fucking story. That's my final -- and deeply personal -- response to your feeble attempts at this redemptive bullshit.

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martin's avatar

this has become a kind of a proverb among tankies. 'ask a liberal or conservative what's wrong with communism and they immediately start to describe capitalism'. what you're describing is now under capitalism: giving benefits to a few (there's no commie billionaires) and murdering hundreds of millions (by sheer waste, uneven distribution and warmongering), all under the watchful eye of holy mother church.

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John Raymond's avatar

Under the watchful eye of Holy Mother Church... what a nasty and dishonest comment. The Catholic Church has condemned publically communism, nazism, socialism, freemasonry.

Pope Pius XII condemned coerceed medical expirementation . But people would like to hate on the Catholic Church and thus relished, it seemed, when false pope francis coerced it

The pitiful on substack would take no heed of my posting of Pius XiI.

Better to hate on Catholic Church

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John Raymond's avatar

The taxation at Federal level is grossly unjust, and I have brilliant sermons on this… by Catholic Priests.

There are extraordinarily wealthy commies - if you deny this, you should be dismissed as ignorant or a liat.

The Catholic Church preaches the Just War Theory. She wants peace while in some narrow cases, war must be tolerated. (Czechs and Poles had a right to defend themselves against Nazis. You agree?)

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John Raymond's avatar

I guess you have not read what I probably have said many times, the Catholic Church lost the Vatican in 1958 to her enemies, we are without a pope etc, and are in eclipse. I bet less than 5% on this thread can even name a Catholic or a local Catholic institution (Church, seminary etc ). We have no hospitals or colleges in USA , probably none in the world, except for seminiaries…

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John Raymond's avatar

The Catholic Church’s condemnation of communism is not an endorsement of capitalis: https://novusordowatch.org/2021/02/brief-catholic-critique-of-communism/

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martin's avatar

of course it is. its endorsement of capitalism is the only reason why it is allowed to exist.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Unfortunately, that is an admission you're supposed to apologize for in the US, But please don't ever do so, Martin.

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John Raymond's avatar

commies want a worker's paradise they say, spread all over the world.

Please compare with WEF, other secret societies, NWO - if you win, people can thank you know for helping bring in a HELL ON EARTH.

you don't think top commies give a damn about feeding anyone...I hope you are not that naive.

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russian_bot's avatar

Same goes for any human-led institution, including church.

Nothing's final, everything is in motion and constant struggle. As soon as you fall asleep you're taken advantage of.

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John Raymond's avatar

Jesus founded Catholic Church and made astounding promises to it.

We have no Pope, no cardinals , no bishops with ordinary juristdiction.

So we have no human leader at this pt, 67 yrs

sede groups do fight much because we have no Pope.

But Jesus is protecting remnant Catholic Church.

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martin's avatar

you're probably not a worker since you're opposing a worker's paradise all over the world? commies differ from the wef in that we strive to own the means of production (it all) and be happy instead of 'owning nothing and being happy' (wef likes your kind very much, commies ... not so). commies generally understand that the fearmongering about a future 'new world order' mainly comes from the present 'old world order', the existing world government of blackrock and vanguard, billionaires and old colonial fortunes whose biggest fear is that they'll one day will have to clean their own toilet. i know only of a 'top commie' (marxist vijay prashad) that regularly points out that the world produces enough food to feed 11 billion people and while we're 8 billion, people starve. top commies are the only ones who give a damn about feeding everyone. i'm not naive enough to believe that you would care about feeding anyone, lest they'd start to believe they're in a 'worker's paradise'.

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John Raymond's avatar

top Commies like Lenin, Stalin and Mao? teddy bears . I am not defending capitalism, or endless wars in any sense.

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John Raymond's avatar

It won’t be a worker’s paradise! My gosh you actually believe this.

It will be a totalitarian state that makes all others look like a summer picnic

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martin's avatar

"my gosh you actually believe this." :-).

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

For two cents, I'd piss on the Vatican. We have different values, quite obviously.

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John Raymond's avatar

well, Vatican is controlleed by freemasonry and commies… that is why Catholic Church is almost dead and world is in freefall

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Pietro Wislon's avatar

Where's God in all this?

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John Raymond's avatar

God is allowing this chastistement. What has happened in the past, there will be a glorious exaltation as the Catholic Church gets a Pope.

What has been prophesized is the Great Age of Mary, Triumph of Immaculate Heat of Mary, Social Kingship of Jesus Christ...

Currently this is hte Passion of the Catholic Church.... she will suffer what her Founder, Jesus suffered... except death.

So like the Resurrection, the Church will be exalted... and the world will benefit beyond words...

The world is in a freefall because hte Catholic Church is in eclipse, almost dead

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Crixcyon's avatar

*Doctors give drugs of which they know little, into bodies, of which they know less,

for diseases of which they know nothing at all.*

Voltaire

That quote is worth the price of admission and could not be more true even a few hundred years later.

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John Turcot's avatar

Maybe Voltaire was only partially correct.... All murderers are not always punished... he forgot to include himself in that quote... much like most people would. If there's a war in your neck of the woods and you say nothing, they you are in that army.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Yes sir. So I guess I must confess that as a stupid brainwashed American teenager of 14, I was likely mute on Vietnam. Then at 15, they assassinated JFK, and some rumbles began in my synapses, so that by 17, I was fucking outraged at this country and far better educated, never to freely call it "my country" again. Should I be on your indicted list? Folks do wake up, after all.

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John Turcot's avatar

Vin, I

fI you were brainwashed at 14, you were not alone. I don't know what "Synapses" are, and if you were "fucking outraged" at 17, and "far better educated" what woke you up the most?

"Folks do wake up after all" .... Really ? Is that why us folks (humans) are on the brink of nuclear annihilation?

Please enlighten me as to what woke you up ? cause I see darkness all around,

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Sorry, John, connections between nerve cells. Two things woke me up. Breaking away from HS pabulum and reading stuff like Zinn's "A People's History"; and also the bodies of some older friends and cousins coming back from 'Nam in flag-draped coffins. Sometimes shock value is required.

And I speak only for myself, certainly not for the majority of my countrymen, nor apparently for most of Western Europe where I hear the beating of even louder drums for war. I wish I could disabuse you of the darkness, but I cannot make any arguments to that effect.

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Alan's avatar

Wow! Just Wow! Such absolute truths! Thank you! 🙏

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JennyStokes's avatar

Crash the propaganda media. Maybe then we can get some truth!

Protest outside Mainstream Media Offices and TV Stations.

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John Turcot's avatar

"Protest outside Mainstream Media Offices and TV Stations." yes, but don't' forget to protest near your own back yards.

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Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

Protestations against mainstream media is difficult. We can and have to stay out of it. Create ours.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Rubbish!

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Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

Are you British ?

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JennyStokes's avatar

No. Are you?

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Nick Douglas's avatar

No both. Protest against MSM and create new alternate fact-based media. Drown the fascist western MSM.

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John Turcot's avatar

"Create ours" ??? Not sure I get it ??

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Harry Ziboo's avatar

Just a wish, but I would love to see more "Citizen Journalists" writing. I would like to see something other that paid journalist giving us information. It's like paying for sex. Silly I know, but just an idle wish. ( I know I will be hated as a bigot and asshole, but I get a crick in my neck every time I read a "Jewish" reporter. I know this is wrong, and I feel shitty for even saying it. Forget I said it. It's just that it feels like paying a hooker every time I read a paid - especially Jewish- reported. I am sure this is stupid, but there you have it.

There. Got it off my chest and I will never say it again.

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John Turcot's avatar

Harry,

I couldn't agree more.... As I wrote a few days ago, every letter in the word 'liars' can be found in the word ISRAEL.... Karma maybe ??

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martin's avatar

aaron maté, max blumenthal, katie halper,... don't think it is really necessary to read any of the bad stuff. there's really plenty of alternative reporting around, imo. plenty of reporting on how bad the bad reporting is too.

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Cornelia HEMMELDER's avatar

Harry Ziboo says it perfectly, here beneath.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

War should be obsolete. It serves no purpose. Disputes between countries should be solved peacefully.

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CK's avatar

The business of war has been highly profitable for the manufacturers of weapons, uniforms, military equipment and other materiel throughout History. Such manufacturers do not care about which side of any conflict wins or loses as long as one or both of the sides will continue to purchase goods or services from them.

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John Turcot's avatar

War is endemic to the species... and "peacefully" is notably a no-show within most governmental institutions.

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Nick Douglas's avatar

Yes, but the fascist zionist colonial-settler western societies do not agree with you. They LOVE war and especially if they can shoot unarmed civilians. The RoW must be heavily armed, angry, and aggressive if it wants to survive the onslaught of the genocidal western culture and their BS "democracies" and "freedoms".

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Mel Remple's avatar

The first time I heard the phrase ‘Thank you for your Service’ was when Gene Simmons of Kiss visited the troops in Ft Hood in a 2011 episode of Family Jewels. Now I hear it ALL the time - it’s like we were slowly being conditioned to spout off those words every time someone says they served in the military. People never say it to firefighters or police officers, only to military personnel. It’s a subtle way to glorify war.

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CK's avatar

It's not too subtle. Yet, the treatment of many military families and veterans is inadequate. Many enlisted military personnel cannot afford to support their families. Many businesses discriminate against hiring veterans. The Veterans Administration is underfunded and understaffed.

All military personnel and veterans should receive salaries and lifetime pensions that are at least equal to the salaries of members of Congress. The billionaires and mega-millionaires of the USA can easily afford to show their appreciation for the armed forces by paying the necessary taxes to support such pensions and care for the persons who defend, or defended, their wealth. Otherwise, the USA cannot afford wars.

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Mel Remple's avatar

Agreed!

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mois78's avatar

During the Vietnam War, the mainstream media opposed that war, and movies stars and journalists were telling the public to spit on any American soldier in uniform. Now, we are told to buy them a drink.

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gypsy33's avatar
1dEdited

Bullshit.

I NEVER knew anyone returning from Nam who was spit on, and I knew plenty.

We were happy to have them returning at all. @ Mois 78

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Marci Sudlow's avatar

I think this was a propaganda stunt. The only incidents I ever heard of where returning soldiers were called "baby killers" took place in venues ripe for filming, such as a publicized returning military plane landing. No one I knew ever denigrated Vietnam vets, and these guys were a part of the hippie/anti-war crowd I hung with in the late 60s. I can't speak for others, but I mostly felt sorry for what they'd endured. I, too, think this was a bullshit myth.

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gypsy33's avatar

Couldn’t agree more Marci.

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Reno de Caro's avatar

Opposing the Vietnam War had as much effect as buying soldiers a drink today. The Vietnam War lasted for more than 10 years and only stopped after it was determined even a victory-- which was unlikely--- would no longer be cost-efficient. As far as the media was concerned, more than half of it were still supporting the war to the end. Since the draft affected millions of Americans who were against the war, parts of the media felt compelled to give them a voice if they wanted to remain relevant.

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Sam's avatar

My favorite was if you can’t get behind the troops then get in front of them.

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David Ratliff's avatar

I forget who said it, but it bears repeating: “War is the ultimate failure of the human spirit.”

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John Turcot's avatar

: “War is the ultimate failure of the human spirit.” Whoever said it knew the species.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

The insane war mongers of the West refuse to the accept that with 8 billion people on planet Earth wars are no longer affordable. Not only must we settle our differences through diplomacy we must instill a much higher level of competence in who gets to govern us. The West has become a cesspool of corruptions and fallacious assumptions. Our enemies are not on foreign shores they are within. In the mean time the decline of the West only gains more momentum.

The West is hostage to a war culture controlled and perpetrated by morons whose only loyalties are to power, money, and damn the consequences.

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi Robert

“We have met the enemy and it is us”

—-Pogo

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Nick Douglas's avatar

The fundamental requirements to become successful beloved politician in the west is to be corrupt, liar, zionist, warmonger, a$$hole, hypocrite, morally vacuous, and dishonest to the core. Plenty of examples.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

The big question is how do we get people with the right stuff into government? There is going to have be massive reform in a lot of Western countries before things get better.

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William Zannoni's avatar

This is a very moving post. Thank you once more.

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Jodi Yaccino's avatar

Thanks, Caitlin!

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Claire Drouault's avatar

“Giant tar pits of inertia.” Perfect description of Congress today while Trump rolls out his war against the American people and the world.

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jamenta's avatar

War will make corpses of us all.

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Nick Douglas's avatar

Maybe humanity (I mean mostly western societies) deserves it. Dinosaurs survived for 400 million years and would still be around if it were not for the giant asteroid. Humanity will be lucky if they survive 10,000 years - no asteroid or God required.

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9hEdited

Sometimes I feel that way. But then I think of all the beauty of humankind, all the remarkable accomplishments. The beauty of children's laughter. Spending a few days on the beach soaking in the sun. The beauty of a good novel, or a well created film.

And then it's just sad -sad that we are so dominated by a kind of death cult, people in power who lack any empathy for other life, not only other human life, but animal life. Have next to no curiosity about the immense mystery that surrounds them - they just want what they can get and to hell with everything else.

It's just very sad and tragic. All the human lives and money lost to the irrationality and colossal stupidity of war.

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Graeme Whitehead's avatar

Thank you, for a little bit of common sense - very rare or entirely missing from mainstream media

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ALYSON PRICE's avatar

What a true and honest piece of work

We are inherently born to fight or die in a War depending on where we live

I never saw this coming as I feel I have lived in a shelter and only now emerged to put the puzzle together .

Certainly I understand now how Jeremy Corbyn certainly the most popular Leader in the UK Labour Party for years , could not ever have won the Election that would have taken us on a different trajectory to the one we are now on with the Labour Party “plant “ Kier Starmer . Just recalling his mission to destroy JC and most of his Supporters through Anti Semitic Slurs changing the Labour Party into the disaster it now is .

Just the words Anti Semitic tell you why a life long Pro Palestinian Leader could never have followed the way that now finds Israelis in every department of Government and the the Rich Zionists paying for lobbyists and MPs to be PRO ISREAL . That is why the UK lost the most genuine and honest Man in British Politics , whose popularity in the Country with the Young and old alike bringing people back into Labour after it turned Blue under Blair . I swear as a person who doesn’t believe in conspiracy theorists etc that the Election was rigged . How could it not have been ? The amount of Backstabbing behind the scenes was overwhelming and the Former “ Friend and colleague” of Jeremy Corbyn was truly a Paid up Member of the Labour Party Friends of Israel scythed his way through the Party beginning with Jeremy Corbyn . Even prominent former Friends of Palestine UK MPs jumped ship into the Israel Friends of Isreal Party one and all into Kier Starmers “ Labour “ party which is now further Right than the Tory Party in many respects , as he has no Political grounding he has made too many mistakes and is now considering taking us into yet another unpopular unwarranted War against Iran to back a Genocidal State already well on its Way to being destroyed by Netanyahu and the Far Right Zionists murdering hundreds of thousands by bombing , starvation thirst with no sanitation homes or medical Aid while the World watches the Ethnic Cleansing of another Holocaust .

Israel then began a War on Iran without any need or provocation which is in danger of beginning WW3 along with the Top Trump of The World who imagines his personal desires can take place anywhere anytime .

He is destroying America seemingly not knowing where he is and speaks in public as if to his own family , his pronouncements like a King Canute of America or a Star Trek Captain saying “Make it so “

and BOOM - the Countdown to Death for our Planet will begin .

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John Turcot's avatar

Don't forget that a potential nuclear war didn't start that way.... it started when we human walked out of the forests in which we were living and started competing with each other with wooden club and bows and arrows... mushroom clouds just happen to come later.

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Indu Abeysekara's avatar

Excellent analyses of recent British politics, Alyson Price. Watching from afar we were buoyed by the mass support for Jeremy Corbyn. It was beautiful to see how the people rallied round him and his ideas. We thought a fresh start at last after " the son of Thatcher " took Labour to the far right.

It was not to be. The Israeli lobby took over weaponising "antisemitism" and good people like Ken Loach ( self-loathing Jew? ) joined Corbyn's fate and was tarred with the antisemitism brush, which now is a powerful weapon of the - bought - ruling class of the West.

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Liz Sherman's avatar

We’re being led into war by monsters!

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John Turcot's avatar

"We’re being led into war by monsters!" But be careful not to become one...

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ChatterX's avatar

"When the rich make war, it’s the poor that die."

– Jean-Paul Sartre

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"War Is a Racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

- Smedley D. Butler

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Remember, MLK did not do a BLACK people's march against the war in Vietnam, he did the POOR people's march.

The ONLY real divide is CLASS divide.

No struggle but class struggle, no war but CLASS war

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Patrick Daniels aka Cromulent1's avatar

Poignant use of Smedly Butler’s and MLK’s words Chatter! The billionaire class profits, while “We the Serfs” either die, or find ourselves deeper in a country divided!!

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Truth Seeking Missile's avatar

As the smart general said: "All wars are bankers' wars."

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