I can only say that it's the sane folks I've encountered on this thread that have kept me sane through this shitstorm of mendacity outside. Love to all of you.
And otherwise, Caitlin's final sentence to all revolting ovine US politicians is good enough for me: "Fuck off you obnoxious shitstains".
I hear you, Jenny, but you'll have to take it up with Caitlin too because I was quoting her. My usual epithet if not murderer (Zionists, USA) is more like mediocrity or sheep.
And I completely sympathize with your colon issues. Although I don't deal with the chronic inflammation you do -- which makes yours 10x more serious -- my two bouts with opioids for chronic post-stroke [age 50] central pain/spasms (only way I could go back to FT work) kicked the hell outta my colon. So in a minor way, I get your irritation. Not a term I'll use again. A bit surprised she did.
Caitlin's at heart a poet who expresses her poetry in diverse art forms, and she feels deeply like a poet. I sense that this all hurts her more deeply than me, for instance because I can hide behind science, which removes itself by being hyper-intellectualized and instrumental music which is wordless, spoken only by melody, harmony and syncopation. Anyway, it's a concern that her constant immersion into the sickness pervading our societies will burn her out, but poets seem to be able to burn and transcend. I hope that's true for her.
CJ>>"“MAGA” is just Republicans doing Republican things." + MAGA = Make America Genocidal Again!
Both the parties (Democrats and Republicans) are the parties of constant, forever, never-ending WARS - on other nations AND the planet.
Does America really think it can get away with destroying all these nations (past and present) including Palestine & get away with it? There will be consequences and blowback for generations. Terrorism against the Western nations will increase. More migrants will attempt to cross-over into Western countries to escape from the hell unleashed by these SAME countries on their home countries.
IMHO, Israel is finished - one way or another (long-term view) - the CANCER that is Israel (including their deeply indoctrinated society) needs to be abolished from the planet. If not, I fear that the planet may be devoured by the Cancer that is Israel and Zionism (and the US Empire backing them).
With your Evangelicals (who are staying VERY quiet at the present moment..which scares me more than if they were shouting out loud).
Most Evangelicals support Zionism....is this true and if it is. What do you expect to happen?
Is it perhaps that the USA is going to become a Religious State?
Is there room in the USA for other religions? At this point I do not think so. Today a French scientist was deported (he was going to a Conference). Was he going to confer his knowledge or was he going to undermine the USA?
What I see happening: Wars of religion in the USA just how it was in Europe.
You are a feeble minded people. Incapable of looking to the future.
YES. In Europe (because of Mainstream Media) MSM one would think that the Europeans have forgotten their History.
OUR Justice system (France) is not tied to politics yet. This may change.
ON TOP of all this: Tourism to the USA is drying up. Trump has reduced the people working on National Parks. Are tourists going to the USA to stay in your broken down City's.?
I loved the land in the USA and travelled all over: Awesome. Brilliant State Parks/Indian History etcetera etcetera
"Israel has an established track record of using the wars it has fought to grab up more territory..." This should say "...using the wars it has STARTED to grab up more territory..."
I just want to let you know how much I appreciated reading your trenchant comments on Matt Taibbi's substack. I used to be a paid subscriber, and so could have written something there, but I gave that up sometime back, when Walter showed he had totally swallowed the poison pill of Zion. While, Matt wouldn't touch this issue with any integrity, and seemed to be going off the rails of reason, so to speak.
I sank several hours into keeping up with the Zionist dreck there yesterday and most of my opponents finally gave up, but the loons can be very persistent. Thank you for this note. It means a lot to me.
I am (as you know) watching and commenting on Taibbi's website. Everyone here on substack SHOULD view the comments on Matt's website. IT is a so fascinating only because Matt is one of the few Journalists that does Not take sides.
He is continuosly condemned by EVERYONE because he does NOT take political 'sides.'
This is what Journalists SHOULD be doing.
I take in a deep breath and comment on this site because I know I will be villified/categorised BUT I will not quit. WHY am I putting myself through this torture?
Matt very rarely touches anything that will upset his apple cart with more than a glancing caress. Some people claim he's a quintessential GenX sellout and these days that kinda checks out for me. He sounds like a 120 year old when he deploys "fuck you" in his writing like it's somehow edgy and sharp to write profanity anymore.
+1 to Joy in HK's sentiment, you were on the money and I was glad to see it in there, even though that community has become nearly a complete sewage lagoon
I stopped subbing over there years ago so I can't engage in the comments - back in the day there were enough libertarians commenting to keep the brainwashed honest, but every time I dip into the comments there now it's like reading my poor late mother's stupid facebook posts.
I get called a dumb democrat or worse an anti semite when I say anything about evil satanic Israel murdering innocent Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank. So yes, they can all fuck off.
This online genocide has remover the bite from the always echoing charges of antisemitism, which was always a canard. I don't care what names the worst people on earth call me, I know what's right.
I've left both partys to rot on their own. I'm glad there is commonality between us despite political differences. Or should I not assume you lean Republican?
Near as I can tell, MAGA is first and foremost a cult of personality. Emphasis on the word "cult".
It doesn't matter what Trump does or does not do. Trump could invent a miracle cure for cancer and his enemies would whine about how he put thousands of doctors out of work. At the same time, Trump could start every speech with "All praise to Lord Satan!" and breathing smoke and his cult would take up devil worship and wearing Dracula capes.
>>"It doesn't matter what Trump does or does not do."
It DOES matter what Trump does - as you're seeing the unfolding of his 'doings' right now in Gaza, Plaestine, and the greater middle-east (not to mention upcoming issues with China).
Personalities like Trump DON'T invent cures for cancer. He is disbanding Govt. regulatory agencies, is staunchly ANTI-SCIENCE, would patent any cure and provide benefits to private corporations (i.e. pharmaceutical companies), and would destroy any possible cure if the cure creates LESS PROFIT than the alternatives, while simultaneously hiding the cure for himself and his buddies.
NOTHING good comes out of PURE EVIL such as Trump! Not in this universe. Not in this timeline. How do people still not understand this?
hi sorry did you come to this website from reddit? i couldnt help but notice you completely missed the point of the comment and wanted to politely inform you that redditors are not welcome on substack. please do not infiltrate our space if you are here for no reason other than to argue. you'd be better off on another website specifically tailored to neckbeard incels of your maturity level if you choose to be blatantly obtuse.
He is here purely to cause upset with his trolling.
Using every despicable trick of rhetoric to get responses. Never sticks to the point of the article or comment but always raises strawmen and false narratives to drag a reply.
He is dishonest and a 'smart fool' in that his replies are clever but totally unrelated to facts.
Give up, everyone else with intelligence just ignores him.
Nice of you to come to the defense of an unhinged commentator. Annoyed that people ignore your posts? Agitated about your lack of logic and critical thinking skills in your argumentation? Adhominem attacks is your only recourse?
Listen to this: I have had many fights with Chang BUT what is happening here is: ONE outspoken person can be smashed (and I have been smashed by Chang numerous times mostly because he is inherently a US citizen). This does not phase me. IF you have a brain and can think for yourselves outside watching Mainstream Media (MSM)you are obliged to consider his comments?
Wow, you seem to be offended by my opinion of Trump. BTW, your response to me accurately reflects your profile description - "Noah Unhinged", as you definitely have provided an unhinged comment.
Chang, Some of us think you might have missed the point of the comment you replied to, insofar as the comment was asserting what the MAGA supporters would support and embrace if Trump did any of those things.
No, I know the point Feral is making - that regardless of any good that Trump 'might' do, his detractors would hate him, and vice-versa for the opposite (Red MAGA) camp.
My argument is more involved. What I'm saying is that "there is no good that Trump can ever do" (my opinion) - hence the part about "people hating Trump when he does good (like curing Cancer)" is an impossibility and lands up being irrelevant in the context of the personality of Trump (and a kind of defense of Trump).
Just as Hitler can do no good (though his supporters would disagree), and Netanyahu can do no good (though his supporters would disagree), so also I posit that "Trump can do no good" (though, again, his supporters (i.e. cult members) would disagree).
Example: [Trump supporter-> it doesn't matter what Trump does or does not do, Trump haters will always hate Trump. (the unsaid implication -> we can ignore all Trump haters as a consequence)] This argument is SO OFTEN used in defense of Trump (and his actions) as a way to deflect valid criticism of Trump (even though Feral probably didn't mean it this way).
Suggesting that "it doesn't matter what Trump does or does not do - his detractors will always blame him" is to shift the burden from Trump onto the Blue/Red MAGA cults. It tantamounts (to a certain extent) to taking the blame away from Trump for his actions (and the consequences of his actions).
Hence I stand by my original comment of "It does matter what Trump does - and regardless of what any cult thinks, the focus must not be shifted away from Trump and his evil personality onto others (like the cults)" (paraphrasing here).
I do understand both comments can be true at the same time. The world has become a shit show without ability to change it short term. Someone chided me for enjoying Put Option earnings on tesla (forever lowercase). We are going to face even harder times ahead. What will be interesting, what does four years from now look like? Will the Republican't be re-elected for more insanity or will the Demoncrat's be elected for a different insanity.
That nails the coffin on the empire right there, man. Elections = no alternatives, not even evolution as some would have you believe -- "vote for us, we'll make changes". Yes, I know my cynicism is showing (aware that it's exceeded skepticism a while back), but that's why revolutionary discussions ignite in this and other threads. People see the same freakin' four walls all the time they go stir crazy, bars or no bars, it's a cage.
I find this discussion counter to my comment about sanity in this thread. I value both Feral and Chang as intelligent, perceptive ideators and contributors who sometimes disagree, but I rarely find either of their posts unworthy of serious consideration. And later for this reddit rubbish — kind of an insert from left field that slides into my list of passive-aggressive ad hominem, which then explodes into direct back-and-forth ad hominen. I’m appointing myself peer-review referee. I have sufficient creds and formal experience, I assure you. My assessment is this: It all gets us nowhere. A little more respect for one another, please. No one is a dumbass here.
Then I must be the dumbass because your reference to msm narratives is entirely opaque to me. That a plea for civility is so interpreted defines you, my friend.
I am utterly at a loss as to how you came to that conclusion.
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Reference is to Chang's echo of unjust msm narrative on Trump (narrative which is accompanied by a strange absence of any critique on topics like Palestine).
You stood in defence of his rant (by replying to me) and I elaborated my stance on that post and why I was compelled to address it.
Not sure what "tour claims" are. Not sure what "peer reviewed" means in the current context (the peer review process usually applies to research papers).
My friend you might be experiencing an alternative type of trolling. I love you, and I know you love the people here. I have been on the back end of harsh peer reviews so yep : )
It seems you must be new to this substack if you think I am a Democrat or a Republican.
Another Trumpian MAGA sycophantic cult member as Feral mentioned in his original post? Figures - they pounce on anyone that says anything negative about Trump. Thank you for confirming your lot!
You are right, it is a cult. It is a brilliant cult, because he promises riches in this life, you don't have to wait for heaven, he is going to give it to you right now.
And the MAGA-morons suck it up like they do all religions.
In the name of Christianity, you can do anything. God will forgive you if you say you are sorry.
the cult or not cult, it likely stems from saturation with wokeness of the previous decades and clutching to anything that differs from it, superficially or in depth.
Can't blame people for hope.
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So cult may perhaps be a too harsh word but I accept it in the context of 2 identical cults: trumpists cult and antitrumpist cults, representing two sides of the same brown pile.
I disagree. Religions and cults existed long before 'wokeness'.
Cults have a few things in common.
A charismatic leader. A sense of being persecuted. An identified 'enemy'. A group identity usually with a uniform/insignia (red hat). A total suspension of analytical thought. A hysterical behaviour (chanting/shouting/synchronised movements) when together. Completely unrealistic expectations. A belief in the infallibility of the leader.
Both Clinton and Obama had these cults but to a far lesser degree, but then they (and their followers) were not being persecuted (Jan 6, assassination, Fight fight fight) to the extent that Trump-MAGA was.
If you have attended any evangelical rallies/events (Billy Graham) or attended any "born again" churches you will recognise the similarities.
Of course, when reality returns and the whole edifice, whether religious or economic, come crashing down, then the crap hits the fan and a civil war breaks out.
it would be an epic understatement to claim Trump and his electorate are just "prosecuted" particularly in comparidon to others.
The amount of contra propaganda is unprecedented in US and surpasses that of regional autocrats' propaganda who control every facet of a country. Ceausescu, Mao, they look as mere amateurs.
To get a gist of that, if Hunter Biden saga was somehow related to Trump and his son, and not Biden, Bidenites and msm would've incided a civil war already.
On top of that, there never was a parallel cult of anti-Trumpets hellbent on inciting violence and with sole purpose of Trump-Bad and hate.
What I am saying does not deny or negate what you say, it only expands it.
"If you have attended any evangelical rallies/events (Billy Graham) or attended any "born again" churches you will recognise the similarities."
Just look around substack and you'd find exactly that - in Trump haters.
There is a material difference in worshipng/hating someone on one side and having a critical thought on someone's actions.
The point is that on both sides there are uncritical fanatics without a rational thought in their heads.
Unfortunately those MAGA-morons and WOKE-wimps outnumber all rational people by factor of 10. (you don't believe me just read the comments, patriot journal, political insider, all MSM)
The main point is that people are not seeing the dangers of this cult-like reaction.
Stating that I was refusing to vote for any candidate who endorsed genocide, using my tax dollars to fund it no less, immediately earned me the label of a "Russian/Chinese/etc. bot" by the party faithful of both sides.
Indeed! For decades, I have been trying to tell people that there is no war between Israel and the Palestinians. It is, rather, a massacre. From 2000 to today, Hamas rockets have killed about 65 people or fewer than 3 a year. That is not a military attack; that is a statement of defiance with no military power but a signal they will never give up. The IDF finally agreed when the former Defense Minister and former spokesman (both fired for speaking truth to power, even as they enacted the genocidal wishes of Netanhau) told the pubic that the Netanyahu mission of "total victory" over Hamas was "impossible," "an illusion," and a fraud "throwing sand in the eyes of the public."
So we do not have a war with sides battling each other but rather a massacre, with one side without a navy, an airforce, perhaps 20,000 troops, and homemade rockets which are all but useless from a military or war perspective. On the other side, a powerful arm with 600,000 ready to fight, a sophisticated airforce and navy, and an arsenal of nukes, supported by the most powerful military regime in the world, the US.
It is important, as Caitlin makes clear, to see this not as a military battle but as a public relations war, seeking to destroy the identity of the Palestinains by the Zionists, and the Palestinian resistance seeking to find a way to make the Zionists destroy themselves. They may be succeeding at a terrible price of tens of thousands of death, as a former high judge of Israel recently publicly commented that Israel was on the cusp of a civil war, as its ruling party is at loggerheads both with the public and its political rivals.
So in its massacre of the Gazan population, Hamas continues to fight back in its strategic way of driving the Israeli Zionists to such a degree of brutality, alien both to international law and traditional Jewish tradition, that it has broken Israel which is now fighting those who want peace and those who want more bloodshed in a narrative that is arcing towards civil war, the collapse of the Israeli nation itself,and this may be what is necessary in order for the Palestinians, suffering and thwarted for 75 years, to finally become a state in its own right, free and independent. This is only a speculation but nothing else has a chance to bring peace and justice at this terrible moment in time.
Does all seem to be far to illogical doesn't it. The empire seems to be getting ready for war on China. War on Iran is just the distraction causing a pause in oil to China as we did in trade blocking Japan?
"Everything the so-called MAGA movement claims to stand for is a lie."
Yes, this is true, but the statement should be expanded thus: "Everything the so-called duopoly/Red & Blue MAGA movement claims to stand for is a lie."
We can't ever leave out the "controlled opposition" of the other side of the duopoly. After all, look at Congress--they're helping to pass all these arms deals for Israel, and they're also demonizing pro-Palestine protesters like their Red-hatted brethren, and they're sitting back and watching the Trump admin deport hundreds without due process and not saying a word and...
You say, "'controlled opposition'" "I say Uniparty." Once again, I ask is there a difference? If not, why allow them even that much space between them?
You write it right every time, Caitlin. Kudos. You re-charge my depleted batteries to some extent. I've spent 61 years of my miserable life trying to give a bit of lifeblood to the Palestinians, but any drop of lifeblood is now consumed in GENOCIDE. I, on a vastly different scale, along with the Palestinians have been steamrollered, with the same sadistic increasing-by-the-decades vindictiveness and glee--just as the Colonial Zionist swine bulldozed and ran back and forth over Rachel Corrie's 21 yo body in Gaza on March 16, 2003. All one can really say is that the Zios couldn't have done it without the official endorsement and goosing and armaments et al provided obsequiously by the collective endlessly evil demon named Amerika. Out! damned spot (ZioUS empire)!
I’ve been guilty of labeling it as a war when it’s more accurate to call it an assault. Right after 10/7 Chris Hedges had the perfect response to people who justified Israel’s brutal bombing of Gaza, demanding others condemn Hamas: he said “Hamas spoke to Israel in a language they understand—violence.”
It will take a while for the MAGA hatters to realize they’ve been had. He doesn’t work for them and never did or will. The Republicans fed the Democrats all the rope they needed to hang themselves and they did. Neither party has anything to offer its citizens and neither party really cares.
Everything change from Vietnam to the ME due to oil embargoes as well ass economic impacts of OPEC oil prices changing for an non-renewable resource for B-52's. The the Shah and a Saudi king assassinated. The new tactic in Afghanistan of weaponizing religion was tried with Iran and they surprised us instead but also helped infect us with Reagan to punish Carter for weaponizing Iraq. as an Embassy freeing tactic. Then the end of the USSR threw us completely off balance having been addicted to permanent wars we couldn't live without.
That includes all the western empires for which we now claim to have turned into NATO for world religious,, cultural, and economic dominance. in endless permanent war profiteering too..
Sam Husseini has a very interesting new article on his substack today about this idea, of just what is going on. I recommend it, if you haven't read it yet.
it has become, to anyone w/ even half their dendrites' synaptic connections still intact and operable, that 7th oct 2023 was a 'false-flag' subreption by the US/UK/zioisraeli war criminals and genocidaires... not simply that "they allowed it to happen". false-flag operations are weapons-of-choice for fascists throughout the history of our gullible, benighted, and feckless history.
Trump is much worse and much more dangerous than Biden. He is a demagogue in full bull roar. There is no countervail to his vicious bullying. He has four years left in his term. It is going to get a lot worse.
Biden was (at best) barely mentally competent. The deep state behind Biden and the oligarchs behind Trump are equally vicious, lethally dangerous, and undemocratic with almost identical goals and aspirations.
Israel would do the exact same to every western country if it could get away with it. How many of its leaders and their same ilk cohorts have publicly stated / written that their position in the world is one of the master race with everyone else subservient to them.
I can only say that it's the sane folks I've encountered on this thread that have kept me sane through this shitstorm of mendacity outside. Love to all of you.
And otherwise, Caitlin's final sentence to all revolting ovine US politicians is good enough for me: "Fuck off you obnoxious shitstains".
Ha, my friend I wrote nearly the same thing before finding your perfect comment! Love to you and thank you for the therapy : )
Mille grazie, amico.
I must say Vin I hate these obnoxious words. Shit stain!
How many people on here suffer from Colitis like me.
At age 56yrs I had to buy 'nappies/diapers' because I could not walk my dog without these.
STOP using these disgusting words. Please.
It does NOT help people.
I hear you, Jenny, but you'll have to take it up with Caitlin too because I was quoting her. My usual epithet if not murderer (Zionists, USA) is more like mediocrity or sheep.
And I completely sympathize with your colon issues. Although I don't deal with the chronic inflammation you do -- which makes yours 10x more serious -- my two bouts with opioids for chronic post-stroke [age 50] central pain/spasms (only way I could go back to FT work) kicked the hell outta my colon. So in a minor way, I get your irritation. Not a term I'll use again. A bit surprised she did.
I know this Vin. You are my friend.
I think dear Caitlin is having a BAD time.......I noticed that she was not here for 3 days and I was worried.
We can ALL be shut down in a moment. Trump's anxiety level increasing..........but we keep going.
I despise 'raw' words but I am not immune to these.
"Shit stain" does NOT help anyone.
Caitlin's at heart a poet who expresses her poetry in diverse art forms, and she feels deeply like a poet. I sense that this all hurts her more deeply than me, for instance because I can hide behind science, which removes itself by being hyper-intellectualized and instrumental music which is wordless, spoken only by melody, harmony and syncopation. Anyway, it's a concern that her constant immersion into the sickness pervading our societies will burn her out, but poets seem to be able to burn and transcend. I hope that's true for her.
CJ>>"“MAGA” is just Republicans doing Republican things." + MAGA = Make America Genocidal Again!
Both the parties (Democrats and Republicans) are the parties of constant, forever, never-ending WARS - on other nations AND the planet.
Does America really think it can get away with destroying all these nations (past and present) including Palestine & get away with it? There will be consequences and blowback for generations. Terrorism against the Western nations will increase. More migrants will attempt to cross-over into Western countries to escape from the hell unleashed by these SAME countries on their home countries.
IMHO, Israel is finished - one way or another (long-term view) - the CANCER that is Israel (including their deeply indoctrinated society) needs to be abolished from the planet. If not, I fear that the planet may be devoured by the Cancer that is Israel and Zionism (and the US Empire backing them).
The US is only a part of America. So MAGA is absurd.
NO. Please think about this USA.
With your Evangelicals (who are staying VERY quiet at the present moment..which scares me more than if they were shouting out loud).
Most Evangelicals support Zionism....is this true and if it is. What do you expect to happen?
Is it perhaps that the USA is going to become a Religious State?
Is there room in the USA for other religions? At this point I do not think so. Today a French scientist was deported (he was going to a Conference). Was he going to confer his knowledge or was he going to undermine the USA?
What I see happening: Wars of religion in the USA just how it was in Europe.
You are a feeble minded people. Incapable of looking to the future.
YES. In Europe (because of Mainstream Media) MSM one would think that the Europeans have forgotten their History.
OUR Justice system (France) is not tied to politics yet. This may change.
ON TOP of all this: Tourism to the USA is drying up. Trump has reduced the people working on National Parks. Are tourists going to the USA to stay in your broken down City's.?
I loved the land in the USA and travelled all over: Awesome. Brilliant State Parks/Indian History etcetera etcetera
"Israel has an established track record of using the wars it has fought to grab up more territory..." This should say "...using the wars it has STARTED to grab up more territory..."
Hi Megan,
I just want to let you know how much I appreciated reading your trenchant comments on Matt Taibbi's substack. I used to be a paid subscriber, and so could have written something there, but I gave that up sometime back, when Walter showed he had totally swallowed the poison pill of Zion. While, Matt wouldn't touch this issue with any integrity, and seemed to be going off the rails of reason, so to speak.
Thank you for doing that.
I sank several hours into keeping up with the Zionist dreck there yesterday and most of my opponents finally gave up, but the loons can be very persistent. Thank you for this note. It means a lot to me.
Interesting comment here Joy.
I am (as you know) watching and commenting on Taibbi's website. Everyone here on substack SHOULD view the comments on Matt's website. IT is a so fascinating only because Matt is one of the few Journalists that does Not take sides.
He is continuosly condemned by EVERYONE because he does NOT take political 'sides.'
This is what Journalists SHOULD be doing.
I take in a deep breath and comment on this site because I know I will be villified/categorised BUT I will not quit. WHY am I putting myself through this torture?
Because Matt is right.
Matt very rarely touches anything that will upset his apple cart with more than a glancing caress. Some people claim he's a quintessential GenX sellout and these days that kinda checks out for me. He sounds like a 120 year old when he deploys "fuck you" in his writing like it's somehow edgy and sharp to write profanity anymore.
I followed the same path as you my friend.
+1 to Joy in HK's sentiment, you were on the money and I was glad to see it in there, even though that community has become nearly a complete sewage lagoon
So true. It’s much harder to be over there than here, isn’t it?
I stopped subbing over there years ago so I can't engage in the comments - back in the day there were enough libertarians commenting to keep the brainwashed honest, but every time I dip into the comments there now it's like reading my poor late mother's stupid facebook posts.
USA is owned by the Zionists. Why do you think the Europeans got rid of these rapists?
I get called a dumb democrat or worse an anti semite when I say anything about evil satanic Israel murdering innocent Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank. So yes, they can all fuck off.
This online genocide has remover the bite from the always echoing charges of antisemitism, which was always a canard. I don't care what names the worst people on earth call me, I know what's right.
I agree, and Im not a democrat, so theres that.
I've left both partys to rot on their own. I'm glad there is commonality between us despite political differences. Or should I not assume you lean Republican?
No Im neither, they're both fucked.
There are people of all beliefs who demand of themselves enough intellectual honesty to yet see a phony setup for what it is.
Near as I can tell, MAGA is first and foremost a cult of personality. Emphasis on the word "cult".
It doesn't matter what Trump does or does not do. Trump could invent a miracle cure for cancer and his enemies would whine about how he put thousands of doctors out of work. At the same time, Trump could start every speech with "All praise to Lord Satan!" and breathing smoke and his cult would take up devil worship and wearing Dracula capes.
>>"It doesn't matter what Trump does or does not do."
It DOES matter what Trump does - as you're seeing the unfolding of his 'doings' right now in Gaza, Plaestine, and the greater middle-east (not to mention upcoming issues with China).
Personalities like Trump DON'T invent cures for cancer. He is disbanding Govt. regulatory agencies, is staunchly ANTI-SCIENCE, would patent any cure and provide benefits to private corporations (i.e. pharmaceutical companies), and would destroy any possible cure if the cure creates LESS PROFIT than the alternatives, while simultaneously hiding the cure for himself and his buddies.
NOTHING good comes out of PURE EVIL such as Trump! Not in this universe. Not in this timeline. How do people still not understand this?
hi sorry did you come to this website from reddit? i couldnt help but notice you completely missed the point of the comment and wanted to politely inform you that redditors are not welcome on substack. please do not infiltrate our space if you are here for no reason other than to argue. you'd be better off on another website specifically tailored to neckbeard incels of your maturity level if you choose to be blatantly obtuse.
Don't waste you time or energy with Chang.
He is here purely to cause upset with his trolling.
Using every despicable trick of rhetoric to get responses. Never sticks to the point of the article or comment but always raises strawmen and false narratives to drag a reply.
He is dishonest and a 'smart fool' in that his replies are clever but totally unrelated to facts.
Give up, everyone else with intelligence just ignores him.
Nice of you to come to the defense of an unhinged commentator. Annoyed that people ignore your posts? Agitated about your lack of logic and critical thinking skills in your argumentation? Adhominem attacks is your only recourse?
thank you I just saw this comment. I did not know that. I wont be corresponding with him anymore.
Listen to this: I have had many fights with Chang BUT what is happening here is: ONE outspoken person can be smashed (and I have been smashed by Chang numerous times mostly because he is inherently a US citizen). This does not phase me. IF you have a brain and can think for yourselves outside watching Mainstream Media (MSM)you are obliged to consider his comments?
it is msm narrative that only Bad can come from Trump.
there is no thinking outside of this by echoing it.
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T does bad, no one doubts, but irrationals doubt he can do any one single thing good.
Imagine Trump brought back normalcy when it comes to gender benders, particularly in sport...
that would be bad?
What? Who are you and where did you come from.
Huh???
Wow, you seem to be offended by my opinion of Trump. BTW, your response to me accurately reflects your profile description - "Noah Unhinged", as you definitely have provided an unhinged comment.
Chang, Some of us think you might have missed the point of the comment you replied to, insofar as the comment was asserting what the MAGA supporters would support and embrace if Trump did any of those things.
No, I know the point Feral is making - that regardless of any good that Trump 'might' do, his detractors would hate him, and vice-versa for the opposite (Red MAGA) camp.
My argument is more involved. What I'm saying is that "there is no good that Trump can ever do" (my opinion) - hence the part about "people hating Trump when he does good (like curing Cancer)" is an impossibility and lands up being irrelevant in the context of the personality of Trump (and a kind of defense of Trump).
Just as Hitler can do no good (though his supporters would disagree), and Netanyahu can do no good (though his supporters would disagree), so also I posit that "Trump can do no good" (though, again, his supporters (i.e. cult members) would disagree).
Example: [Trump supporter-> it doesn't matter what Trump does or does not do, Trump haters will always hate Trump. (the unsaid implication -> we can ignore all Trump haters as a consequence)] This argument is SO OFTEN used in defense of Trump (and his actions) as a way to deflect valid criticism of Trump (even though Feral probably didn't mean it this way).
Suggesting that "it doesn't matter what Trump does or does not do - his detractors will always blame him" is to shift the burden from Trump onto the Blue/Red MAGA cults. It tantamounts (to a certain extent) to taking the blame away from Trump for his actions (and the consequences of his actions).
Hence I stand by my original comment of "It does matter what Trump does - and regardless of what any cult thinks, the focus must not be shifted away from Trump and his evil personality onto others (like the cults)" (paraphrasing here).
I do understand both comments can be true at the same time. The world has become a shit show without ability to change it short term. Someone chided me for enjoying Put Option earnings on tesla (forever lowercase). We are going to face even harder times ahead. What will be interesting, what does four years from now look like? Will the Republican't be re-elected for more insanity or will the Demoncrat's be elected for a different insanity.
That nails the coffin on the empire right there, man. Elections = no alternatives, not even evolution as some would have you believe -- "vote for us, we'll make changes". Yes, I know my cynicism is showing (aware that it's exceeded skepticism a while back), but that's why revolutionary discussions ignite in this and other threads. People see the same freakin' four walls all the time they go stir crazy, bars or no bars, it's a cage.
I wonder if all tour claims on Trump are peer reviewed by at least several untainted sources
I find this discussion counter to my comment about sanity in this thread. I value both Feral and Chang as intelligent, perceptive ideators and contributors who sometimes disagree, but I rarely find either of their posts unworthy of serious consideration. And later for this reddit rubbish — kind of an insert from left field that slides into my list of passive-aggressive ad hominem, which then explodes into direct back-and-forth ad hominen. I’m appointing myself peer-review referee. I have sufficient creds and formal experience, I assure you. My assessment is this: It all gets us nowhere. A little more respect for one another, please. No one is a dumbass here.
'bickering', maybe let's not do that.
A little is good for skill sharpening : )
Yes. If we can just be civil about it.
I've been guilty of hate mail, so my soul's not clean. More rationality, less ad hominem is good for us all. I'm going to try harder.
Damn, spot on my friend : ) I am having that 1933 feeling. Chaos is been here for awhile. Coming here is my therapy at a discount with results : )
Well then this post is probably the first to be unworthy as it just follows msm narratives.
Legacy may soften or harden a response but does not form it. What is written does.
Then I must be the dumbass because your reference to msm narratives is entirely opaque to me. That a plea for civility is so interpreted defines you, my friend.
I am utterly at a loss as to how you came to that conclusion.
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Reference is to Chang's echo of unjust msm narrative on Trump (narrative which is accompanied by a strange absence of any critique on topics like Palestine).
You stood in defence of his rant (by replying to me) and I elaborated my stance on that post and why I was compelled to address it.
What was your expectation?
Not sure what "tour claims" are. Not sure what "peer reviewed" means in the current context (the peer review process usually applies to research papers).
My friend you might be experiencing an alternative type of trolling. I love you, and I know you love the people here. I have been on the back end of harsh peer reviews so yep : )
Oh, clutching to autospell correction, nice.
Peer review applies to your research on Trump. You know, the usual Bidenite narrative to sumarrily dismiss anything
It seems you must be new to this substack if you think I am a Democrat or a Republican.
Another Trumpian MAGA sycophantic cult member as Feral mentioned in his original post? Figures - they pounce on anyone that says anything negative about Trump. Thank you for confirming your lot!
Nice, appeal to authority.... I'm a newbie hence mistakes.
rubbish
I could not give a flying duck if you're a demoncrat or retardican, putinist or utopian, fender bender or gender bender. I respond to what is written.
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Trump Derangement Syndrome: Trump bad no matter what. Read Feral's original post which you dissect and decontextualise as per need of the moment.
What Feral said, and I agree with, is that there are 2 cults: Trump Apologists- no matter what and Trump Haters- no matter what (your type).
The rest of us look at him critically from aside.
You are right, it is a cult. It is a brilliant cult, because he promises riches in this life, you don't have to wait for heaven, he is going to give it to you right now.
And the MAGA-morons suck it up like they do all religions.
In the name of Christianity, you can do anything. God will forgive you if you say you are sorry.
Trump applies that to American wealth.
Mexicans will starve, 'tough'.
Canadians will suffer, 'fuckem'.
Palestinians will die, 'whatever'.
Americans will enjoy untold riches, 'yeah man'.
the cult or not cult, it likely stems from saturation with wokeness of the previous decades and clutching to anything that differs from it, superficially or in depth.
Can't blame people for hope.
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So cult may perhaps be a too harsh word but I accept it in the context of 2 identical cults: trumpists cult and antitrumpist cults, representing two sides of the same brown pile.
I disagree. Religions and cults existed long before 'wokeness'.
Cults have a few things in common.
A charismatic leader. A sense of being persecuted. An identified 'enemy'. A group identity usually with a uniform/insignia (red hat). A total suspension of analytical thought. A hysterical behaviour (chanting/shouting/synchronised movements) when together. Completely unrealistic expectations. A belief in the infallibility of the leader.
Both Clinton and Obama had these cults but to a far lesser degree, but then they (and their followers) were not being persecuted (Jan 6, assassination, Fight fight fight) to the extent that Trump-MAGA was.
If you have attended any evangelical rallies/events (Billy Graham) or attended any "born again" churches you will recognise the similarities.
Of course, when reality returns and the whole edifice, whether religious or economic, come crashing down, then the crap hits the fan and a civil war breaks out.
Good Luck.
it would be an epic understatement to claim Trump and his electorate are just "prosecuted" particularly in comparidon to others.
The amount of contra propaganda is unprecedented in US and surpasses that of regional autocrats' propaganda who control every facet of a country. Ceausescu, Mao, they look as mere amateurs.
To get a gist of that, if Hunter Biden saga was somehow related to Trump and his son, and not Biden, Bidenites and msm would've incided a civil war already.
On top of that, there never was a parallel cult of anti-Trumpets hellbent on inciting violence and with sole purpose of Trump-Bad and hate.
What I am saying does not deny or negate what you say, it only expands it.
"If you have attended any evangelical rallies/events (Billy Graham) or attended any "born again" churches you will recognise the similarities."
Just look around substack and you'd find exactly that - in Trump haters.
There is a material difference in worshipng/hating someone on one side and having a critical thought on someone's actions.
The point is that on both sides there are uncritical fanatics without a rational thought in their heads.
Unfortunately those MAGA-morons and WOKE-wimps outnumber all rational people by factor of 10. (you don't believe me just read the comments, patriot journal, political insider, all MSM)
The main point is that people are not seeing the dangers of this cult-like reaction.
It will not end well.
That's what I said originally but you said you disagree..
Not ending well is baked in. Not because of Trumpists but because Wokists who ratcheted up their fanatical coercion of others to 11.
Trumpets are mostly transient mob, unlike others who are in making for decades and are religious dogmatic believers.
Stating that I was refusing to vote for any candidate who endorsed genocide, using my tax dollars to fund it no less, immediately earned me the label of a "Russian/Chinese/etc. bot" by the party faithful of both sides.
I got called a one-issue voter! As if genocide is just an issue among the many others! How obscene!
Indeed! For decades, I have been trying to tell people that there is no war between Israel and the Palestinians. It is, rather, a massacre. From 2000 to today, Hamas rockets have killed about 65 people or fewer than 3 a year. That is not a military attack; that is a statement of defiance with no military power but a signal they will never give up. The IDF finally agreed when the former Defense Minister and former spokesman (both fired for speaking truth to power, even as they enacted the genocidal wishes of Netanhau) told the pubic that the Netanyahu mission of "total victory" over Hamas was "impossible," "an illusion," and a fraud "throwing sand in the eyes of the public."
So we do not have a war with sides battling each other but rather a massacre, with one side without a navy, an airforce, perhaps 20,000 troops, and homemade rockets which are all but useless from a military or war perspective. On the other side, a powerful arm with 600,000 ready to fight, a sophisticated airforce and navy, and an arsenal of nukes, supported by the most powerful military regime in the world, the US.
It is important, as Caitlin makes clear, to see this not as a military battle but as a public relations war, seeking to destroy the identity of the Palestinains by the Zionists, and the Palestinian resistance seeking to find a way to make the Zionists destroy themselves. They may be succeeding at a terrible price of tens of thousands of death, as a former high judge of Israel recently publicly commented that Israel was on the cusp of a civil war, as its ruling party is at loggerheads both with the public and its political rivals.
So in its massacre of the Gazan population, Hamas continues to fight back in its strategic way of driving the Israeli Zionists to such a degree of brutality, alien both to international law and traditional Jewish tradition, that it has broken Israel which is now fighting those who want peace and those who want more bloodshed in a narrative that is arcing towards civil war, the collapse of the Israeli nation itself,and this may be what is necessary in order for the Palestinians, suffering and thwarted for 75 years, to finally become a state in its own right, free and independent. This is only a speculation but nothing else has a chance to bring peace and justice at this terrible moment in time.
it's a holocaust
tbh, israeli zionists apparently need surprisingly little 'driving', imo. maybe everybody was taken by surprise by the tameness of the people.
Starting the war with Iran will be the last spike of the Amerikan coffin !!!!
I think we already hit our last spike when we began disappearing white people from predominantly white ally countries into our border system.
Does all seem to be far to illogical doesn't it. The empire seems to be getting ready for war on China. War on Iran is just the distraction causing a pause in oil to China as we did in trade blocking Japan?
"Everything the so-called MAGA movement claims to stand for is a lie."
Yes, this is true, but the statement should be expanded thus: "Everything the so-called duopoly/Red & Blue MAGA movement claims to stand for is a lie."
We can't ever leave out the "controlled opposition" of the other side of the duopoly. After all, look at Congress--they're helping to pass all these arms deals for Israel, and they're also demonizing pro-Palestine protesters like their Red-hatted brethren, and they're sitting back and watching the Trump admin deport hundreds without due process and not saying a word and...
You say, "'controlled opposition'" "I say Uniparty." Once again, I ask is there a difference? If not, why allow them even that much space between them?
Bravo as usual.
You write it right every time, Caitlin. Kudos. You re-charge my depleted batteries to some extent. I've spent 61 years of my miserable life trying to give a bit of lifeblood to the Palestinians, but any drop of lifeblood is now consumed in GENOCIDE. I, on a vastly different scale, along with the Palestinians have been steamrollered, with the same sadistic increasing-by-the-decades vindictiveness and glee--just as the Colonial Zionist swine bulldozed and ran back and forth over Rachel Corrie's 21 yo body in Gaza on March 16, 2003. All one can really say is that the Zios couldn't have done it without the official endorsement and goosing and armaments et al provided obsequiously by the collective endlessly evil demon named Amerika. Out! damned spot (ZioUS empire)!
I’ve been guilty of labeling it as a war when it’s more accurate to call it an assault. Right after 10/7 Chris Hedges had the perfect response to people who justified Israel’s brutal bombing of Gaza, demanding others condemn Hamas: he said “Hamas spoke to Israel in a language they understand—violence.”
It will take a while for the MAGA hatters to realize they’ve been had. He doesn’t work for them and never did or will. The Republicans fed the Democrats all the rope they needed to hang themselves and they did. Neither party has anything to offer its citizens and neither party really cares.
Everything change from Vietnam to the ME due to oil embargoes as well ass economic impacts of OPEC oil prices changing for an non-renewable resource for B-52's. The the Shah and a Saudi king assassinated. The new tactic in Afghanistan of weaponizing religion was tried with Iran and they surprised us instead but also helped infect us with Reagan to punish Carter for weaponizing Iraq. as an Embassy freeing tactic. Then the end of the USSR threw us completely off balance having been addicted to permanent wars we couldn't live without.
The real problem for the shithole we call Amerika is "DOMINANCE" at all cost ....Period
That includes all the western empires for which we now claim to have turned into NATO for world religious,, cultural, and economic dominance. in endless permanent war profiteering too..
Sam Husseini has a very interesting new article on his substack today about this idea, of just what is going on. I recommend it, if you haven't read it yet.
it has become, to anyone w/ even half their dendrites' synaptic connections still intact and operable, that 7th oct 2023 was a 'false-flag' subreption by the US/UK/zioisraeli war criminals and genocidaires... not simply that "they allowed it to happen". false-flag operations are weapons-of-choice for fascists throughout the history of our gullible, benighted, and feckless history.
ooops, meant to say: "throughout the MILLENNIA of our gullible, benighted, and feckless history."
Trump is much worse and much more dangerous than Biden. He is a demagogue in full bull roar. There is no countervail to his vicious bullying. He has four years left in his term. It is going to get a lot worse.
Biden was (at best) barely mentally competent. The deep state behind Biden and the oligarchs behind Trump are equally vicious, lethally dangerous, and undemocratic with almost identical goals and aspirations.
The Gaza genocide reminds me of this Bill Hicks observation about the 1991 Persian Gulf conflict:
"This needs to be said: there never was a war. How can you say that, Bill? Well, a war is when two armies are fighting. "
Israel would do the exact same to every western country if it could get away with it. How many of its leaders and their same ilk cohorts have publicly stated / written that their position in the world is one of the master race with everyone else subservient to them.
Haven't they already shown that with the USS Liberty? Along with demonstrating America's inabilty to challenge them?