This goes far beyond hyper-nationalistic bloviators like Mr. Cotton. It's part and parcel of the inability/unwillingness to limit the scope of research or at least stringently enforce biosafety requirements. As a molecular biologist, someone might expect me to be gung-ho about pursuing all lines of research in immunology and virology: the free-inquiry version of science. But science within a rapacious capitalist system is science in need of serious regulation, and Mary Shelley was prescient about the inability of humans to exercise restraint; but at least the impacts of her "monster" were far more limited than the potential impacts of careless gof research. In the context of a profit-mad society, gain-of-function (gof) research is driven by Pharma profiteering, despite the fact that there may be individual scientists who are motivated by higher ideals, such as protection of society from infectious diseases. Gof research is incredibly chancy because we tinker with genetic systems whose complexity is as yet barely appreciated by researchers and is mostly opaque to the public and the investor class. It appears operationally impossible to adequately regulate such research, at minimum to ensure that it's done only under BSL3/4 laboratory safeguards. This is a question of scientific ethics, not of nationalism.
Tom Cotton personifies a system which rewards dysfunction, rebranding it into what's called "a serious person, a friend of Israel, and a good God-fearing Christian." Washington swarms with such creatures and there is no systemic alternative. Until we call out and smash this conveyor belt of shite, the road to hell we're travelling should surprise no one.
I think this is the money sentence(s) behind the Wuhan media campaign: "We could for instance work their allies to ensure they're no longer getting sweetheart deals from international financial institutions like the World Bank. We could repeal the permanent most-favored nation status we foolishly gave China 20 years ago. "
Such a move would result in the dollar no longer being the world's (only) reserve currency. Considering China and Russia are negotiating to set up their own SWIFT, it would hurt the USA much more than it will hurt China.
We should probably consider that Kadaffi was trying to do that in Africa and is (IMHO) the overriding factor in Obama's destruction of Libya.
Nor do we hear mention anymore of the Wuhan International Military Games held just before an unusual respiratory infection was detected in Wuhan.
Clearly, Covid-19 was circulating widely in the West long before it was ever reported in China, and the military games offered ample opportunity for it to spread from Western athletes to China, which I personally believe is what happened. Whether this was an accident or intended is anybody's guess.
There is absolutely no reason to assume the virus, if it were lab created and already endemic in the West during summer 2019, was not created at Ft. Detrick or UNC. In fact, IMHO the funding for research on bat coronaviruses at Wuhan was a planned "firebreak" so that China could be blamed if a virus, already known to be present in the West, mutated into a more virulent strain. They still want people to believe it was a zoonotic virus that escaped from WIV, but if it has to be conceded that it was probably lab created, WIV's use of that funding for Gain of Function work can be blamed as well, whether or not Fauci or Dazcak are able to evade personal responsibility.
"I remember the headlines of many months ago and there was the fact that six months before the Wuhan outbreak, strings of COVID RNA data were found in the sewer water in France. Oh NO!
Then, in November, people in France had tested blood positive for COVID weeks BEFORE the Wuhan outbreak. A better argument could be made that France was the source of the COVID outbreak."?
There's only one problem with this scenario: the cat is already out of the bag. That is, the involvement of Fauci and the NIH and UNC and EcoHealth Alliance has been exposed not only by independent journalists but in the mainstream media. Some may choose not to listen, and the powers that be will do all they can to drown it out, but they already lost control of the narrative.
The PCR have already agreed to and engaged in a thorough investigation. Herr Cottons friends have suppressed any investigation of the "soya sauce soldiers",see VT. Glad I'm not a Yank.
The articles I've found state that China refuses to cooperate with an investigation and, at the same time, that China agrees to an investigation. It seems to depend on the media outlet. Fox, of course, declares they won't cooperate. Who ya gonna believe?
Thus, Caitlin's point is well made. There is no body that will be acceptable to they myriad of players in this mess. I refer you to the number of deaths in China vs the USA and I acknowledge China did an outstanding job of containing the virus within its borders. The US calls for investigation is nothing more than propaganda to cover up its failure -- that is, if it was indeed a failure, Pharma made out quite well. It is quite obvious that China is more concerned with the welfare of its population than the USA is with American citizens.
There's another way seeing it – don't provoke China, don't do anything unless you really want to stop the rising totalitarianism in the West. The ring is almost closed, just one more winter and its done.
So don't provoke China, unless you want to break it. We could BuBaBe, we could remain testing, locking people down and vaccinating, betting on them forever and forever. Wouldn't it be beautiful?
Because perhaps China is not a sleeping giant, perhaps it could argue eloquently and from the highest pulpits what exactly have been the terms of the deal?
China built hospitals in 10 days to handle the virus. China had only 4600 deaths, a rate of 3/million. The USA had 612,000 deaths for 1841/million. China has eradicated extreme poverty within its borders. China is not threatening war with anyone, but the US is deep into those areas where WWIII might break out. (http://archive.is/4zv8L)
If the USA cared about its people it would have handled the Virus more effectively. There's nothing "NSA" about emergency allocation of resources to build a hospital as quickly as China did.
The Western media hypes the Chinese intrusion into its internet, but rarely addresses the exact same thing that is happening here in the USA. How does it matter if a government agency or a corporation is responsible for data collection on a nation's citizens? Likewise, what's the difference in "fact checking" whether is it private or public?
Political Prisoners? John Kiriaku and Julian Assange come to mind.
Is China torturing members of the Press? The USA sure is.
Perhaps the US has a few more dissident press outlets than China, but please don't tell me that the Press in the US is "free" when it just vomits whatever Jeff Bezos wants.
I'm not suggesting that the USA become more like China, but I am saying that China isn't doing all that badly in many areas of comparison. The only "free Americans" are those who are members of the Oligarchy -- just like China.
So you want another War on Iraq type scenario? Having the United States serve as prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner may not be the Platonic Ideal, but it must be better than having no executioner at all, right?
It is within the realm of possibility that COVID-19 was the result of a lab leak.
However, the United States and its vassals have such a long and lavishly documented history of weaponizing any such investigation, and where necessary, making up lies out of whole cloth, while making excuses for every tyranny that the United States happens to like, as to make any findings worthless.
If Jen Psaki were to give a press conference saying that the United States government had determined that the sun was shining, I would stick my head out the window to check rather than take her word for it.
This goes far beyond hyper-nationalistic bloviators like Mr. Cotton. It's part and parcel of the inability/unwillingness to limit the scope of research or at least stringently enforce biosafety requirements. As a molecular biologist, someone might expect me to be gung-ho about pursuing all lines of research in immunology and virology: the free-inquiry version of science. But science within a rapacious capitalist system is science in need of serious regulation, and Mary Shelley was prescient about the inability of humans to exercise restraint; but at least the impacts of her "monster" were far more limited than the potential impacts of careless gof research. In the context of a profit-mad society, gain-of-function (gof) research is driven by Pharma profiteering, despite the fact that there may be individual scientists who are motivated by higher ideals, such as protection of society from infectious diseases. Gof research is incredibly chancy because we tinker with genetic systems whose complexity is as yet barely appreciated by researchers and is mostly opaque to the public and the investor class. It appears operationally impossible to adequately regulate such research, at minimum to ensure that it's done only under BSL3/4 laboratory safeguards. This is a question of scientific ethics, not of nationalism.
Tom Cotton personifies a system which rewards dysfunction, rebranding it into what's called "a serious person, a friend of Israel, and a good God-fearing Christian." Washington swarms with such creatures and there is no systemic alternative. Until we call out and smash this conveyor belt of shite, the road to hell we're travelling should surprise no one.
Amigo!
I think this is the money sentence(s) behind the Wuhan media campaign: "We could for instance work their allies to ensure they're no longer getting sweetheart deals from international financial institutions like the World Bank. We could repeal the permanent most-favored nation status we foolishly gave China 20 years ago. "
Such a move would result in the dollar no longer being the world's (only) reserve currency. Considering China and Russia are negotiating to set up their own SWIFT, it would hurt the USA much more than it will hurt China.
We should probably consider that Kadaffi was trying to do that in Africa and is (IMHO) the overriding factor in Obama's destruction of Libya.
The virus was circulating in Italy during the summer of 2019. Hats off to Sky News, but you'll never see this in US corporate media: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-circulating-in-italy-as-early-as-september-2019-scientists-claim-12133825
Nor do we hear mention anymore of the Wuhan International Military Games held just before an unusual respiratory infection was detected in Wuhan.
Clearly, Covid-19 was circulating widely in the West long before it was ever reported in China, and the military games offered ample opportunity for it to spread from Western athletes to China, which I personally believe is what happened. Whether this was an accident or intended is anybody's guess.
There is absolutely no reason to assume the virus, if it were lab created and already endemic in the West during summer 2019, was not created at Ft. Detrick or UNC. In fact, IMHO the funding for research on bat coronaviruses at Wuhan was a planned "firebreak" so that China could be blamed if a virus, already known to be present in the West, mutated into a more virulent strain. They still want people to believe it was a zoonotic virus that escaped from WIV, but if it has to be conceded that it was probably lab created, WIV's use of that funding for Gain of Function work can be blamed as well, whether or not Fauci or Dazcak are able to evade personal responsibility.
"I remember the headlines of many months ago and there was the fact that six months before the Wuhan outbreak, strings of COVID RNA data were found in the sewer water in France. Oh NO!
Then, in November, people in France had tested blood positive for COVID weeks BEFORE the Wuhan outbreak. A better argument could be made that France was the source of the COVID outbreak."?
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Research-finds-Covid-19-circulating-in-France-before-Wuhan-market-outbreak?fbclid=IwAR3hHkphlsTJNzan2xaxoNZoDe3huNCRiarurLh51HcAJSCwyaI9DVZhPSE
https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva/posts/10224661621785467
A BABY NATION OF JUST 244 YEARS WHO KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE (#1) HAS SO MANY POLITICIANS & STUPID PEOPLE WHO ALWAYS THINK THE uSa IS RIGHT ??? ???
SO SAD & HORRIBLE! from ' The City of Angel ', Bangkok
There's only one problem with this scenario: the cat is already out of the bag. That is, the involvement of Fauci and the NIH and UNC and EcoHealth Alliance has been exposed not only by independent journalists but in the mainstream media. Some may choose not to listen, and the powers that be will do all they can to drown it out, but they already lost control of the narrative.
The PCR have already agreed to and engaged in a thorough investigation. Herr Cottons friends have suppressed any investigation of the "soya sauce soldiers",see VT. Glad I'm not a Yank.
The articles I've found state that China refuses to cooperate with an investigation and, at the same time, that China agrees to an investigation. It seems to depend on the media outlet. Fox, of course, declares they won't cooperate. Who ya gonna believe?
Thus, Caitlin's point is well made. There is no body that will be acceptable to they myriad of players in this mess. I refer you to the number of deaths in China vs the USA and I acknowledge China did an outstanding job of containing the virus within its borders. The US calls for investigation is nothing more than propaganda to cover up its failure -- that is, if it was indeed a failure, Pharma made out quite well. It is quite obvious that China is more concerned with the welfare of its population than the USA is with American citizens.
There's another way seeing it – don't provoke China, don't do anything unless you really want to stop the rising totalitarianism in the West. The ring is almost closed, just one more winter and its done.
So don't provoke China, unless you want to break it. We could BuBaBe, we could remain testing, locking people down and vaccinating, betting on them forever and forever. Wouldn't it be beautiful?
Because perhaps China is not a sleeping giant, perhaps it could argue eloquently and from the highest pulpits what exactly have been the terms of the deal?
China built hospitals in 10 days to handle the virus. China had only 4600 deaths, a rate of 3/million. The USA had 612,000 deaths for 1841/million. China has eradicated extreme poverty within its borders. China is not threatening war with anyone, but the US is deep into those areas where WWIII might break out. (http://archive.is/4zv8L)
China is certainly the rose here.
If the USA cared about its people it would have handled the Virus more effectively. There's nothing "NSA" about emergency allocation of resources to build a hospital as quickly as China did.
The Western media hypes the Chinese intrusion into its internet, but rarely addresses the exact same thing that is happening here in the USA. How does it matter if a government agency or a corporation is responsible for data collection on a nation's citizens? Likewise, what's the difference in "fact checking" whether is it private or public?
Comparisons of Crime in the US vs China has China "winning" in every category: https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/China/United-States/Crime
Political Prisoners? John Kiriaku and Julian Assange come to mind.
Is China torturing members of the Press? The USA sure is.
Perhaps the US has a few more dissident press outlets than China, but please don't tell me that the Press in the US is "free" when it just vomits whatever Jeff Bezos wants.
I'm not suggesting that the USA become more like China, but I am saying that China isn't doing all that badly in many areas of comparison. The only "free Americans" are those who are members of the Oligarchy -- just like China.
So you want another War on Iraq type scenario? Having the United States serve as prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner may not be the Platonic Ideal, but it must be better than having no executioner at all, right?
I'll take the physical challenge....
It is within the realm of possibility that COVID-19 was the result of a lab leak.
However, the United States and its vassals have such a long and lavishly documented history of weaponizing any such investigation, and where necessary, making up lies out of whole cloth, while making excuses for every tyranny that the United States happens to like, as to make any findings worthless.
If Jen Psaki were to give a press conference saying that the United States government had determined that the sun was shining, I would stick my head out the window to check rather than take her word for it.
Look to the lumberyard in your own eye, America.
Then who? Do you recall how the United States weaponized the United Nations in the runup to the War on Iraq?