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Ron Stockton's avatar

Caitlin, your position is also correct from a legal point of view. You are absolutely and indisputably correct. Zionists are today’s Nazis. Never forget, never forgive.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

CJ>>"No number of politically motivated assassinations will ever make me believe that opposing the Gaza holocaust is the wrong thing to do."

Same here Caitlin. My heart, mind, and FULL SUPPORT lie with ALL defenders of Palestine against Israel, Zionism, the the U.S. Empire (and its allies) - in whatever form they come and from whomever they come.

Fuck Genocidal Israel, Fuck Zionists, Fuck the U.S. Empire, FREE PALESTINE!!! ❤️

[PS: Sometimes I wish I were brave enough to take more direct action, but for whatever reason(s) I am not, and hence the least I can do is support those who are braver and more courageous than me and are making the ultimate sacrifice (their lives) to fight against all this pure evil.]

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Scuba Cat's avatar

Maybe it's not a matter of courage, but the lack of a clear way forward. I just don't know what to do besides speak out and donate to the middle east children's alliance.

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tre peperoncini's avatar

I can`t waste time to listen to Netanyahu rants, but this sentence of 'CJ) that you are agreeing with "No number of politically motivated assassinations will ever make me believe that opposing the Gaza holocaust is the wrong thing to do." this seems nonsensical to me, As if anyone their right mind would?

And if, Netanyahu did actual propose the politically motivated assassinations should cause to support genocide, well even if he did does it really wroth even countering? Yes, , I get it (CJ) is not going to change her mind, she is steadfast opposed to genocide, as if we ever thought she was not?

This (CJ) post is just reaffirming my suspicion that (CJ) is pandering to our emotions with her well crafted language, to what end I still do not understand,

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Not sure what issues you're having tre peperoncini. Imagine yourself in Nazi Germany. No number of attempts at political assassinations of Hitler (or Nazis) will dissuade me from opposing Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany has LOST the right to play the victim.

Similarly, no number of attempts at assassinations of Netanyahu (or Zionists of his ilk, etc.) will dissuade be from opposing Zionist Israel. Zionist Israel has LOST the right to play the victim.

Do you have a problem with the statement -> Zionism <=> Nazism and Nazism <=> Zionism? Do you think Zionism is a lesser-evil than Nazism?

Caitlin's logic is AIR TIGHT, and I respect her morals. I have been reading her articles for over 5 years. So questioning Caitlin's morals with me isn't going to work for you.

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tre peperoncini's avatar

How many people has this post actually convinced, or did it just make the choir clap louder?

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Landru's avatar

You should sit silently and the world will change. Make sure to leave room for air in the closet.

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tre peperoncini's avatar

What do think the Substack if not an other echo chamber, forgive for daring to have a different point of view.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Let's focus on YOU tre peperoncini. How many people's lives have YOU had an impact on? How many people have YOU convinced with your comments/posts? What have YOU actually done to change people's minds and raise awareness?

You seem to be behaving like some controlled Zionist opposition (and maybe you are). All you seem to want to do in most of Caitlin's article's comment sections is "repeat the same point comment arguments" ad-nauseum that doesn't add much value to the discussion. So what choir are YOU trying to preach to? What's your agenda?

If you don't understand how REPEATING the same message works on the brain, then you have much to learn about human psychology. If you don't understand how EMOTIONAL rhetoric works to induce REAL CHANGE in people's behavior and actions, then you're missing important elements of human psychology and how human minds work and how change happens.

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Landru's avatar
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This seemed like something someone from the embassy would post. israel is losing it's backers and the desperation is clear. Thank you my friend for standing strong.

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tre peperoncini's avatar

I thought you already made your point that I have a difficulty understanding,

Does it really bother you so much that I dare to have a different than the choir, Instead of attacking me personally, how about you engage with my points , you are bright person, but seems all you have to offer is insults?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Seems like you didn't really understand any of my comments, did you? Try reading them again, trying thinking a little deeper and longer. That is of course - if you are genuine person - which I am beginning to suspect you are not (based on your comments which are uniquely Zionist - as observed by multiple commentators). Hence, since you like arguing in bad faith (and a passive-aggressive style), I shall respond in kind.

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martin's avatar

do you not sense that is what they're trying to narrate: that some genocides can be justified (as absurd as it sounds)? i think they've come to the realisation that denying the genocide no longer holds water. now they're trying to paint it as the unfortunate, but necessary 'good' genocide (like ww2 was the 'good' war).

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tre peperoncini's avatar

The genocide began decades ago, the events of Oct 7 / 2023 were an excuse intensive the ethic cleansing.

In my opinion CJ, does not not need reaffirm her position after 18 months of condemning the slaughter, Caitlin`s daily dose of well crafted outraged and protest might be attractive for some , but I`m no longer impressed with her declaration of moral superiority. Sorry "Outrage without direction is just noise.",

I`m open to hear a counter argument, I`d like it very much if someone could explain what specific action CJ daily rant enables , beyond "raising awareness" by regurgitating her outrage of news events most have have already read about?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"but I`m no longer impressed with her declaration of moral superiority."

Here's a counter argument -> that you think Caitlin espouses 'moral superiority' shows the issues with YOU , not anyone else.

These words of "moral superiority" are YOUR words, your takeaway, not Caitlin's words. And there is nothing "superior" in the morality - THIS IS THE BARE MINIMUM in an unfolding Genocide. That you think this is "moral superiority" shows YOUR lack of a moral compass.

Seriously, your attitude and constant Zionist-like hasbara attempts disgust me.

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tre peperoncini's avatar

Well as my views are not so much likes, I must happy for the negative attentions, I am be happy with the fact that my comment at least upset someone. Better some reaction than none at all.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Sure, if you enjoy being hated like people hate Zionists, go for it - I won't stop you.

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martin's avatar

i can kinda see what you're getting at, but what she does is just a blog and it can probably not do anything more than it is doing right now: raising awareness, share the outrage and, in this particular matter, counter a narrative aimed at sowing doubt in the minds of those who are not full members of 'the choir' yet. the internet, the blog and its comment section are probably not the place to organise. that needs to be done locally. (btw, in europe this event doesn't seem to be quite the thing it is in the us, cmiiw).

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tre peperoncini's avatar

Thank-you for sharing your thoughts, appreciate you taking time to consider my thoughts, instead of simply raising a protective wall around whatever CJ writes as if its deeply sacred text. perhaps if she was not profiting from her writing I might have a different view, today post is rant titled "It's A Complete Lie To Say Gaza Can Have Peace If Hamas Surrenders" as if we did not know this already?

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martin's avatar

ms johnstone's blog is free (unlike some other substackers), also for distribution (iirc, she doesn't even insist on being mentioned as a source? - although that would be polite). people who value what she does, contribute, those that don't, don't. this includes people of the 'choir'. some do still engage with people who are still not convinced of the direction we have to go to get out of this mess. ms johnstone's writings are helpful in making the argument in that she brings up answers to the objections these people might have been fed by the msm. (there's still more difficult stuff to cover, though. like, while i agree that hamas should not surrender to get peace, i think zelensky surrendering in ukraine would achieve a reasonable and peaceful outcome.)

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W.F.Miloglav's avatar

Everyone does what they can, what they are able to do, what they're good at doing. The value of CJ's work ought not to be underestimated: her voice is a voice that is heard, and moves, moves many to do what they can in their own way, and so helps to build, and sustain.

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Landru's avatar

Hum, you should read the work. You realize he said that on a broadcast in English for the u.s. audience. You might find an audience at CNN or Fox News.

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tre peperoncini's avatar

I read her posts almost daily, sorry I`m tried of her moral superiority ,her daily rants are philosophical void. its just my opinion after all, my opinion is of no value to CJ `s devote followers who get their moral endorphin fix when the click a like on her post , Hippy hippy yeah ha..., Israelis is Evil, Fuck Israeli, Trumpers don`t understand free speech, and lite an other candle and all will be better.

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John B Bartlett's avatar

You are locked in your own paradigm...my opinion does not matter to you. Speak peace with condemnation if you will. I pray for Peace with God's righteous judgement. Yes you must rid raccoons from the basements of Israel just as we must in America.

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Sam's avatar

Gawd sure has been absent for the last 2,000 years whilst humans have continued doing heinous things to each other. If gawd is so loving and all why are we watching a genocide in real time?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Sam, if you look at John B Bartlett's profile, you will see that he is Pro WAR, Pro U.S. Empire (including Imperialism), pro White-American-nationalist (like MAGA), and more.

Such people (as John B Bartlett) disgust me. They try to hide behind smokescreens of virtue and morals. Such people have ANYTHING but good morals and virtues (in my experience).

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Rosalind Dalefield's avatar

just get rid of Israel, then it will have no basements and no raccoons. Simple.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Yes, you are free to leave it up to God and your beliefs. I choose a different path for myself.

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Geoff everall's avatar

what utter BS. you pathetic racist. Your posts are an incitement-you need to be banned from this platform. Just go the fuck away, racist religious extremist.

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Kevin Hammond CMT's avatar

People like you are lazy and shiftless and are THE PROBLEM!

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

"Without the heart and the gut we’re genius-level reptiles, and genius-level reptiles are running the world right now”.

--Gabor Maté

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Landru's avatar

Gabor as well as his son Aaron are champions and heroes as Caitlin is : )

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Essam Abbas's avatar

There’s no bigger Nazi then Bibi the baby killer

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Mary Glaros's avatar

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

John F. Kennedy

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W.F.Miloglav's avatar

60,000-plus murders versus two murders is a ratio of 30,000-plus to one, ergo there should be 30,000 times the outrage over the former as related to the latter. The numbers don't lie. Zionist do.

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Landru's avatar

That whole story seems very Fred Hampton like to me.

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W.F.Miloglav's avatar

Starting to seem that way to me too. Sabby Sabs has interesting, even compelling, take along that line.

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Bob Martin's avatar

Agree completely. If someone killed two staffers at the German Embassy in 1943 because Germany was murdering millions then, that certainly wouldn't make it one iota less heinous that Germany was killing millions. Same exact situation here, obviously.

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SaHiB's avatar

Stalin did.

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Abu Shaqee's avatar

Well said and great writing. Beautifully said!

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

"There is nothing that could possibly happen that would convince me it’s wrong to oppose an active genocide."

Agreed. It's like saying, "Oh, because the new pope is such a nice person, it's now okay to look the other way about the pedophile priest scandals worldwide, like they never happened or is happening." Bullshit! Thank you, Caitlin and Tim, for sticking to your guns (metaphorically) and not backing down on this vital moral, spiritual and political issue of our times. They can call me whatever they like, but they won't stop me from saying (and singing) "F*ck Israel! Free Palestine!" https://therevolutioncontinues.substack.com/p/an-anthem-for-our-times

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hierochloe's avatar

#FIFP

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

👍❤️

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Susan T's avatar

I read Ken Klippenstein's post containing the manifesto of the shooter. Not once does he mention the word "Jew" or even "Zionist". He talks about Israel and Israelis He was (is) clearly distraught with the genocide happening in Palestine. I think that the murder of those two embassy staffers is important news because I think that the ongoing murders of Palestinians may cause more people to think, horribly mistakenly, that they can make a point by doing something so extreme. The genocide is wrong for many many reasons and one of those reasons is that it makes it more likely that events such as what happened in Washington will happen. This has caused me to feel much more angry about the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. I could never support what they are doing in Gaza.

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JennyStokes's avatar

He has been visited by the FBI. Ken Klippenstein.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Netanyahu knows that he is being dishonest, as well as demanding special pleading and double standards. He knows full well that this is the equivalent of Marius van der Lubbe's assassination of the Nazi Ambassador.

Doesn't matter, as long as it gets the desired results.

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John Mann's avatar

He also knows that a remarkable number of people will believe him.

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Landru's avatar

Fortunately, fewer by the day.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

Ya, no kidding. There is nothing -- NOTHING -- that justifies genocide. I'm just watching a video that talks about the incident you refer to that spells it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf2Kw18GgEs

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

Yes, Sabby explains how I see things quite well. Elias Rodriguez acts like an infiltrator, not an actual activist. The timing of this act is just way tooo convenient and is helping the zy0nists to gain control of the narrative again. We're going to see an outlawing of pro-Palestinian protests and media soon. Be prepared for it.

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Rosalind Dalefield's avatar

Agreed!

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gypsy33's avatar

Hi TRC

Sabby’s video completely changed my mind about the nature of the shootings. I initially assumed that Elias figured those two had targets on their backs because of who they were. I did a 180 after watching the Sabby clip, because let’s face it, that girl DOES THE DAMN THING and ain’t never wrong! As she’s noted before, it’s her Pisces Spidey-Sense.

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David Baird's avatar

Me too, gypsy. Mustn't forget, just because we become somewhat paranoid it doesn't mean they AREN'T out to get us.

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gypsy33's avatar

So true, David!

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martin's avatar

didn't know they were visiting a jewish museum. exactly the same thing seems to have happened years ago in brussels. jokingly commented that it was probably some internal mossad reckoning. later turned out the victims were indeed mossad and ex-embassy staffers. undoubtedly that gig pays well, but one must be prepared to be sacrificed for 'the greater good'. plenty of people have the motive, mossad (like fbi) can help with the opportunity and the means.

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Susan T's avatar

this is a very interesting video. It makes the entire situation even more confusing. But what if she is right?

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gypsy33's avatar

Susan: I actually think the video clears things up considerably.

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Sam's avatar

At the start of the genocide I thought that Palestinians were thinking that soon someone would come to their rescue and stop the slaughter. Then as the slaughter continued month after month after 19 months they probably know that the world was just going to allow Israel to slaughter them all or let them starve to death. Can anyone imagine how they feel knowing that the world doesn’t give a flying fck about them?

Put yourself in their place …. I can’t. Just like I can’t believe that they are entering their 20 month of this fcking slaughter! I never thought that this world would allow Israel to do what it’s doing. But it is.

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Carrie Deitzel's avatar

No one could imagine that the world would allow this. As an American, I am horrified & outraged that my government is STILL supplying weapons for this genocide to continue. I have written Biden during his Presidency. I have written my Senator, John Fetterman. I have not written DJT because I might as well write a rock.

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Jim's avatar

Fetterman is one of the most staunch Zionists in Congress.

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John Mann's avatar

Fetterman and Biden also have the reading ability of rocks.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

HaHa - well said!

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Nicky Solomon's avatar

They’re still doing it because the Western leaders are running scared. Scared of threats, retaliation and probably even assassination. They’re all being controlled !

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hierochloe's avatar

It's truly enlightening and incredible to experience this moment, even without experiencing the Holocaust first hand in Gaza

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Breakup Google's avatar

All Zionists and their lackeys need to viewed as enemy combatants. Same rules they used on Palestinian kids and civilians. We are going to expel this ziocult evil from our country, no matter what it takes.

They seem to have been ready for a big media push right after it happened. This is most definitely a false flag. Off two of their goyim servants to get the sympathy excuse machine on track. That ship has sailed and sunk.

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Manny's avatar

I can smell Mossad fumes in the air...

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Jim's avatar

Smells like 9/11.

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Tumsa's avatar

The modern heil Hitler is actually "am yisreal chai"

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