Listen to a reading of this article: At the risk of upsetting the entire internet, the annexation of those four Ukrainian territories seems like a great time to end this war to me. Does anyone honestly believe a significant percentage of the people who live there want a massive counteroffensive on their doorstep? I don't.
Even if our leaders wanted to, they can't, lest the other political party pounce and accuse them of weakness and also of being Russian agents. Instead, each party competes as to who can offer the most hysterical, foaming at the mouth rhetoric and escalation.
This strategy is known as "painting oneself into a corner".
The US 'leadership' simply cannot accept that it cannot cow every country on the planet into submission. The four provinces that have voted to join Russia will be infinitely better off as part of Russia. Its residents will be treated like full-fledged citizens, not abused as an ethnic minority considered inferior. Its infrastructure will be rebuilt. They will know peace and normality for the first time in over 8 years. This is already happening in Mariupol. The US doesn't care. It's like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum because it can't get its way.
A prediction. All reasonable behaviour will go out the window. It will be escalated. When we the people have "learned OUR lesson" the global government solution that's been waiting in the wings will step in to 'fix' it all and we will beg for forgiveness and rush into their arms, be happy and own nothing.
The media's failure to report on the actual voting to join Russia and the politicians' collective denunciation of it as "sham" were enabled by the failure to report the historical fact that the Ukranian government was engaged in a civil war and bombing and killing thousands of people since 2014. Which were enabled by the failure to report on Nazi militia's and the US backed Maidan coup. Which were angled by. failure to report on .......
Great time to end the war! Agreed. Go back to Clinton and the and Serbia, Latvia, and Estonia agreements of self determination. All these peoples wanted to be part of the west. They were allowed to choose that. What was right for them is right for these four areas now choosing to be part of russia. They suffered enough with the asov/Ukrainian forces battling them for eight years. The people of these areas and the normal citizens of Ukraine need to demand their governments settle this now. The MSM needs to stop the propaganda and voice the truth on the ground, regarding the election. Forty watchers from other nations were involved, along with on the ground journalists. Peace is needed, not more arms and money from us. To carry this further is an insane money ego trip.
I just read in "Al Jazeera" two articles which say Ukraine will put in for an "Accelerated" bid to join NATO! And the US and Ukraine dismiss the Russian annexation as a poor war tactic from Putin. So more war is what they are going for!
Oh so true Caitlin! I fear they will not stop for one moment but just continue with destroying the world. We must remember these people are committing crimes out in the open and thus need to be treated as the filth they are in the open! Our very existence is at stake here. These criminals are in almost every government across the world. They are controlled by the same people in each country and anytime they are caught doing their dirty work they murder, detract or just outright imprison the person for their very own crime! I don't know of any way of stopping this train wreck as too many are completely brainwashed!
What will happen to public opinion in what's left of Ukraine when people in the EU are freezing to death this winter and starving next year? Meanwhile, their relatives in eastern/southern Ukraine will be prosperously rebuilding. Will people in rump Ukraine continue pushing to join the EU, or will they prefer being open to Russian food and gas?
And what of the people in the EU itself? They aren't stupid. They know who did this incredibly destructive, nihilistic thing. The world knows. The US will be isolated, with not a single genuine ally.
There will be no negotiated settlement. Russia has already destroyed the bulk of NATO military equipment on the ground in Ukraine, and has shown the capability of overwhelming NATO artillery 10:1. NATO has already lost this widened war, but is too stupid to see that and will continue until Novorossiya consists of everything east of the Dnieper as well as Kherson, Mikolaev and Odessa oblasts. Let us all hope the globalists give up on Ukraine without resorting to nuclear war.
BTW, Caitlin, your definition of "think tank" is priceless.
Hasn't it been obvious for a long time that good ol' Bernie is one of the boys when it comes to warmongering?
As for "Russia did it" the main argument against it that all the Russians had to do was turn off the gas at home. No need for an elaborate operation in the Baltic. The most probable guess is a continuation of the original quip about the purpose of NATO: keep America in, the Russians out, and Germany down. The last-named is still important because without German leadership, indeed, domination, in the military, political, and economic spheres, Europe will remain somebody's satellite / colony. Whose craw would that stick in? There's your perp.
Text of Putin’s Speech Blasting ‘Neo-Colonial’ West
The Russian president on Friday slammed the West for a history of abuse against the rest of the world as he announced that four Ukrainian oblasts had joined the Russian Federation.
[English translation from the Kremlin website]:
In the Georgievsky Hall of the Kremlin, a ceremony was held on Friday to sign agreements on the admission of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the Luhansk People’s Republic, the Zaporizhia Region and the Kherson Region to Russia and the formation of new subjects of the Russian Federation.
September 30, 2022
16:00 (Moscow time)
Moscow Kremlin
Vladimir Putin: Dear citizens of Russia, citizens of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, residents of the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, deputies of the State Duma, and senators of the Russian Federation!
You know, referendums were held in the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. Their results have been summed up, the results are known. People made their choice, a clear choice.
Today we are signing agreements on the admission of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the Luhansk People’s Republic, the Zaporizhia Region and the Kherson Region to Russia. I am sure that the Federal Assembly will support the constitutional laws on the adoption and formation in Russia of four new regions, four new subjects of the Russian Federation, because this is the will of millions of people.
The one source of a sanity in this entire war seems to be the aggressor, Putin and Russia have made clear concise statements about their plans, intentions and results. They sought enforcement of the Minsk peace accords for years before the war started. It is clear to me that Putin and Lavrov put in significant effort to avoid this war.
It is my belief that Russia will end the SMO with the closing of the annexations. They have already announced that conversion from the special operation into an anti-terrorist operation is their next step. This would fit with the narrative from the beginning, ensuring the peace and preventing Russians from being attacked. It is clear to me that Russia expects Ukraine and NATO to push terroristic attacks on the new territories and is intent on stopping them. With the pipeline terrorist attack as a turning point it seems that Russia was correct yet again, terrorism from the west is the new threat.
I expect that the Ukraine war is over from a Russian perspective.
Regarding Ukraine. I agree, now would be an excellent time to stop. But I fear it won't happen. The transatlantic security elite cannot bear to fail. For them, to fail in their project to defeat and humiliate Russia is akin to death. (It may be death to the ego, but they mistake their egos for themselves).
I do believe I heard Scott Ritter say the Russians will be on the Polish border before next summer.
Whether or not the AFU advances in Kharkiv (including talking Lyman) are important or not remains to be seen.
I would rather that this war had never started. I wish John McCain had died in Vietnam (although he might have been replaced by some other war-monger who would have been just as bad).
But now that it is on, and the American Oligarchy has shown itself to be the criminals they are, I want this conflict to go on for as long as it takes for the rest of the world to turn on the American Bully. I want Americans to be free from the neo-feudalism being constructed around us. If Americans can be freed, then the rest of the world can be freed.
This Reddit Post leads to some more discussion and a few articles that might back up my desire to keep going -- or it might suggest that nuclear war truly is upon us and we should sue for peace now.
Well said on every level. I pray for an immediate peace, and--this is a long shot, but I believe God can do anything--that Joe Biden will become a 100% honest and humble man, and admit his hand in provoking this hideous war.
The Universe IS amazing! We stardust are evolving. I loved the two comic frames!
Is Rome burning and, if so, is it a good thing? Both parties are war mongering. Leadership is still pushing vaccines while acknowledging the pandemic is over and still blaming the unvaccinated. We are in danger of completely losing body autonomy. Science joins the ranks of propaganda tools. Inflation and hunger continue to rise all around the world. I live on social security retirement income and think about how to change my diet to eat more cheaply than I already do. Their chess game is the riskiest ever for all life.
Even if our leaders wanted to, they can't, lest the other political party pounce and accuse them of weakness and also of being Russian agents. Instead, each party competes as to who can offer the most hysterical, foaming at the mouth rhetoric and escalation.
This strategy is known as "painting oneself into a corner".
The US 'leadership' simply cannot accept that it cannot cow every country on the planet into submission. The four provinces that have voted to join Russia will be infinitely better off as part of Russia. Its residents will be treated like full-fledged citizens, not abused as an ethnic minority considered inferior. Its infrastructure will be rebuilt. They will know peace and normality for the first time in over 8 years. This is already happening in Mariupol. The US doesn't care. It's like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum because it can't get its way.
A prediction. All reasonable behaviour will go out the window. It will be escalated. When we the people have "learned OUR lesson" the global government solution that's been waiting in the wings will step in to 'fix' it all and we will beg for forgiveness and rush into their arms, be happy and own nothing.
The media's failure to report on the actual voting to join Russia and the politicians' collective denunciation of it as "sham" were enabled by the failure to report the historical fact that the Ukranian government was engaged in a civil war and bombing and killing thousands of people since 2014. Which were enabled by the failure to report on Nazi militia's and the US backed Maidan coup. Which were angled by. failure to report on .......
On what a tangled web they weave!
Great time to end the war! Agreed. Go back to Clinton and the and Serbia, Latvia, and Estonia agreements of self determination. All these peoples wanted to be part of the west. They were allowed to choose that. What was right for them is right for these four areas now choosing to be part of russia. They suffered enough with the asov/Ukrainian forces battling them for eight years. The people of these areas and the normal citizens of Ukraine need to demand their governments settle this now. The MSM needs to stop the propaganda and voice the truth on the ground, regarding the election. Forty watchers from other nations were involved, along with on the ground journalists. Peace is needed, not more arms and money from us. To carry this further is an insane money ego trip.
I just read in "Al Jazeera" two articles which say Ukraine will put in for an "Accelerated" bid to join NATO! And the US and Ukraine dismiss the Russian annexation as a poor war tactic from Putin. So more war is what they are going for!
Oh so true Caitlin! I fear they will not stop for one moment but just continue with destroying the world. We must remember these people are committing crimes out in the open and thus need to be treated as the filth they are in the open! Our very existence is at stake here. These criminals are in almost every government across the world. They are controlled by the same people in each country and anytime they are caught doing their dirty work they murder, detract or just outright imprison the person for their very own crime! I don't know of any way of stopping this train wreck as too many are completely brainwashed!
What will happen to public opinion in what's left of Ukraine when people in the EU are freezing to death this winter and starving next year? Meanwhile, their relatives in eastern/southern Ukraine will be prosperously rebuilding. Will people in rump Ukraine continue pushing to join the EU, or will they prefer being open to Russian food and gas?
And what of the people in the EU itself? They aren't stupid. They know who did this incredibly destructive, nihilistic thing. The world knows. The US will be isolated, with not a single genuine ally.
There will be no negotiated settlement. Russia has already destroyed the bulk of NATO military equipment on the ground in Ukraine, and has shown the capability of overwhelming NATO artillery 10:1. NATO has already lost this widened war, but is too stupid to see that and will continue until Novorossiya consists of everything east of the Dnieper as well as Kherson, Mikolaev and Odessa oblasts. Let us all hope the globalists give up on Ukraine without resorting to nuclear war.
BTW, Caitlin, your definition of "think tank" is priceless.
Hasn't it been obvious for a long time that good ol' Bernie is one of the boys when it comes to warmongering?
As for "Russia did it" the main argument against it that all the Russians had to do was turn off the gas at home. No need for an elaborate operation in the Baltic. The most probable guess is a continuation of the original quip about the purpose of NATO: keep America in, the Russians out, and Germany down. The last-named is still important because without German leadership, indeed, domination, in the military, political, and economic spheres, Europe will remain somebody's satellite / colony. Whose craw would that stick in? There's your perp.
Text of Putin’s Speech Blasting ‘Neo-Colonial’ West
The Russian president on Friday slammed the West for a history of abuse against the rest of the world as he announced that four Ukrainian oblasts had joined the Russian Federation.
[English translation from the Kremlin website]:
In the Georgievsky Hall of the Kremlin, a ceremony was held on Friday to sign agreements on the admission of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the Luhansk People’s Republic, the Zaporizhia Region and the Kherson Region to Russia and the formation of new subjects of the Russian Federation.
September 30, 2022
16:00 (Moscow time)
Moscow Kremlin
Vladimir Putin: Dear citizens of Russia, citizens of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, residents of the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, deputies of the State Duma, and senators of the Russian Federation!
You know, referendums were held in the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. Their results have been summed up, the results are known. People made their choice, a clear choice.
Today we are signing agreements on the admission of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the Luhansk People’s Republic, the Zaporizhia Region and the Kherson Region to Russia. I am sure that the Federal Assembly will support the constitutional laws on the adoption and formation in Russia of four new regions, four new subjects of the Russian Federation, because this is the will of millions of people.
(Applause.)...
The rest is here:
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/30/text-of-putins-speech-blasting-neo-colonial-west/
"the strategy should logically be to simply stand back and let him bomb Russia back to the Stone Age."
God, this was a funny line to read.
The one source of a sanity in this entire war seems to be the aggressor, Putin and Russia have made clear concise statements about their plans, intentions and results. They sought enforcement of the Minsk peace accords for years before the war started. It is clear to me that Putin and Lavrov put in significant effort to avoid this war.
It is my belief that Russia will end the SMO with the closing of the annexations. They have already announced that conversion from the special operation into an anti-terrorist operation is their next step. This would fit with the narrative from the beginning, ensuring the peace and preventing Russians from being attacked. It is clear to me that Russia expects Ukraine and NATO to push terroristic attacks on the new territories and is intent on stopping them. With the pipeline terrorist attack as a turning point it seems that Russia was correct yet again, terrorism from the west is the new threat.
I expect that the Ukraine war is over from a Russian perspective.
Regarding Ukraine. I agree, now would be an excellent time to stop. But I fear it won't happen. The transatlantic security elite cannot bear to fail. For them, to fail in their project to defeat and humiliate Russia is akin to death. (It may be death to the ego, but they mistake their egos for themselves).
I do believe I heard Scott Ritter say the Russians will be on the Polish border before next summer.
Whether or not the AFU advances in Kharkiv (including talking Lyman) are important or not remains to be seen.
I would rather that this war had never started. I wish John McCain had died in Vietnam (although he might have been replaced by some other war-monger who would have been just as bad).
But now that it is on, and the American Oligarchy has shown itself to be the criminals they are, I want this conflict to go on for as long as it takes for the rest of the world to turn on the American Bully. I want Americans to be free from the neo-feudalism being constructed around us. If Americans can be freed, then the rest of the world can be freed.
This Reddit Post leads to some more discussion and a few articles that might back up my desire to keep going -- or it might suggest that nuclear war truly is upon us and we should sue for peace now.
I am conflicted.
But the American Oligarchy has to go!
Yeah, here it is again, the play list of Aaron Good's interview on his book American Exception. If you haven't listened yet, why not? https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDAi0NdlN8hNArLl765PXe8tsTKmOciGL
Well said on every level. I pray for an immediate peace, and--this is a long shot, but I believe God can do anything--that Joe Biden will become a 100% honest and humble man, and admit his hand in provoking this hideous war.
The Universe IS amazing! We stardust are evolving. I loved the two comic frames!
Is Rome burning and, if so, is it a good thing? Both parties are war mongering. Leadership is still pushing vaccines while acknowledging the pandemic is over and still blaming the unvaccinated. We are in danger of completely losing body autonomy. Science joins the ranks of propaganda tools. Inflation and hunger continue to rise all around the world. I live on social security retirement income and think about how to change my diet to eat more cheaply than I already do. Their chess game is the riskiest ever for all life.
And yet... there is still hope ...