"I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain—especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state. ... If external necessity should after all compel us to assume this burden, let us bear it with tact and patience."
“The establishment of the State of Israel is not merely an event in world history; it is the fulfillment of a dream… The Jewish people have shown that they are able to create a state.”
“I am delighted by the prospect of the establishment of a Jewish state.”
- Albert Einstein 1948 (notably post-WWII)
He was not the only one whose thought evolved post-Holocaust
He was a phony in that regard. Cracking a mathematic equation does not make one a deep or morally exceptional person. I dont know why he is always quoted as a sage. He was a physicist not philosopher. The true test to anyone's character and integrity comes what they say in the face of adversity and what they say under pressure and when times are hard and the opposition big. It is easy to say the lofty shit he said above and that you quoted when times arent tough. Dont have heroes.
You’re the phony here; your post is nothing but fallacy and grammatical flaw. You think times weren’t tough in 1938?
This isn’t about heroes; it’s about truth, and justice. Human beings make mistakes. Truth isn’t validated by pressure or hard times.
Agree totally that being an expert in a particular field of study doesn’t automatically confer expert opinion in another area. Neither does it preclude it. Truth doesn’t give a crap about the particular credentials from whence it comes.
oh well if my grammar is wrong, that definitely makes me a phony for suresies.
The point is, you undermined your own argument by relying on a quote that doesn’t hold up in context. It falls flat once you consider how his views evolved just a few years later. This isn’t a case of someone reconsidering things decades down the line; the inconsistency showed up almost immediately.
Character isn’t about cherry-picked lines, it’s about some degree of moral consistency over time. Quoting someone as if they’re a definitive authority, when they didn’t even stand by that position themselves, weakens your point more than it strengthens it.
This isn’t about denying that people can be flawed or change their minds. It’s about being careful who you elevate and why. Treating inconsistent figures as moral authorities just doesn’t land the way you think it does.
Thank you. Yeah he wasnt the enlightened hero everyone makes him out to be because he cracked a mathematic equation. Everyone they told you is a hero and good person has pretty much turned out to be the exact opposite. And everyone they told you is bad ended up, well, actually not being that awful. Remember history is written by the victors.
I used to be against the death penalty, but after the Epstein files, I’m for it. The only Justice is for those pedophiles not to breathe the same air as us. Life in prison is not enough.
My point is material conditions change peoples views over time.
Could you imagine where they’d all go if that happened, if the Israelis people weren’t ’cancelled’ as well? Imagine anything worse than millions of these criminal swine showing up en masse in the USA!
You must be referring to the often misinterpreted "Whore of Babylon". The actual "whore" is associated with Jerusalem, non-Christian religions, modern society, the United States, or perhaps the Roman Catholic Church. The whore is sometimes seen as a false religion that enables the Antichrist's rise before the Last Judgment. Erm...
Why do pundits call Christianity "Judeo-Christian" belief when no spiritual similarities actually exist? Jerusalem will burn...
Could you imagine where they’d all go if that happened, if the Israelis people weren’t ’cancelled’ as well? Imagine anything worse than millions of these criminal swine showing up en masse in the USA!
Dear god no. I work in hospitality and am originally from the NYC metro region. The Israelis and zionists with their fake victimhood are completely insufferable. The Israelis especially - entitled assholes 100%. They don’t tip and they order you around like a slave.
There are many Jews in the world who are awesome, myself being one of them :P , but we are all antizionist and ostracized and silenced by the communities we came from.
All those atrocities that Israel have committed yet we in the West are under threat if we speak out what has happened to our world that we are accepting the evil of a Nazi like regime ?
Good question Gerri. Here's a partial answer: "The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin… Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again… Take this great power away from them, or if you want to continue to be the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit.”
Sir Josiah Stamp (June 21, 1880 - April 16, 1941) Former president of the Bank of England
What has happened? I would suggest part of it is the tendency we humans have of overlooking things when they are relatively small, without considering the consequences that can come if it is allowed to come to fruition. I see this in every aspect of life, just look at most parents, and it repeats itself over and over. I think this happens because it's the easy, most convenient, way. The road to hell may well be paved with good intentions, but the road to heaven is never paved with what's most convenient.
Let’s not forget about the Christian zionists who have huge numbers in America. I don’t know what the answer is. Maybe looking into the denazification of Germany after the war, or the deradicalization from cults for inspiration.
Also complicating things - all of Israel minus the children could be considered enemy combatants since they all have to serve in the IDF.
To the good news, Israel is about nearly exhausted and has nowhere and no one to turn to as even the US is near exhaustion. Neither nation has the resources to win this war, and everything concerning the outcome remains in Iranian hands. Point of fact: It's merely a matter of time. And proof of this is in Iran's historic war against Iraq: 8 long years and Iraq was unable to defeat Iran as their determination and resolve will be the same no matter what-may-come!
What I fear, and what Iran’s leaders fear from what I have been reading lately, is that these attacks by the U.S. and Israel will be ongoing, with respites only benefiting the attackers by allowing them to rebuild their weapons systems. That’s why one of the main elements of Iran’s set of demands is an end to future attacks. No more twelve day wars to be followed with strikes after a period of cessation. And if Iran is “winning,” it’s paying a heavy price for it — illegal assassinations of its political leaders and scientists, murders of its civilians, and horrible environmental damage that will cause ongoing health problems. Meanwhile, the whole world is suffering economically because of two rogue states — the U.S. and Israel. The citizens of the U.S. (I am one) have an outsized responsibility to stop this. Opposition is growing. We need to multiply it by scores.
We Americans need to move quick before they start drone striking internal opposition using the same tech that genocided at least 70k Palestinians if not double that. AI targeting, AI drones, no humans in the kill chain, all coming very soon to the US and already in use in Israel.
We need to take out the data centers that power this evil. As well as the Epstein class.
It’s not good news, because then they’ll just nuke Iran. This isn’t ending anytime soon and it’s only gonna get worse. Worst fucking timeline, I want off this ride.
The real threat Zionist Israel poses now is the Samson option. They are obviously insane enough to take it--nuking Tehran, or anywhere else, if they feel existentially threatened. If that escalates, which it almost certainly would, it's Armageddon, the psychotic wet dream of Christian fundamentalists for Jesus's return, and from Zionist perspectives, the arrival of their messiah. This reveals the barking mad core of both Jewish and Christian belief systems. And the Samson option represents their insane fulfillment.
I know Netanyahu is that psycopathic and insane, assuming he is still alive (which I now seriously doubt), but I'm not so sold that everyone in his circle is. They are all, broadly speaking, insane for their fantasy religious beliefs and racism, yes. But there is/was likely a circle of sycophants around the queen bee and if one of them is now calling the shots maybe there is hope they are sane *enough* not to capitulate to the suicidally insane crowd. Honestly, I think a false flag on America is more likely.
Why not both? False flag in America, American ground troops sent in response with Zionist owned social media brainwashing Americans to rally around the flag in support, and a few months / years down the road when enough Americans come home in flag draped boxes they’ll decide they’ve had enough and nuking Iran is the only reasonable option, just like Japan (which was allegedly about to surrender when the Russians invaded at the end of the war)
Also let’s not forget the use of AI in war now - I would not be surprised if nukes go flying sooner than later because the AI doesn’t give a shit about the aftermath.
.....have been thinking the same thing. I see it coming...they are THAT INSANE....monsters, parasites....israyhel - massive, collective PSYCHOPATHY....
The problem is they are like weeds. The foundation of their finance must be destroyed, that is the control of the Federal reserve via the little hats and their business of usury on fiat currencies. And their blackmail business on those that control government ... Aid to so-called Israel must end.
Plus the corrupt tax fraud on those enslaved in their system of finance.
Couldn't agree more. Only I'm inclined to speculate using a religion or a screwed up belief system to align with a cultural core value empowers a proxy regime to work even harder at achieving the puppet masters desires. In this case projection of control over the energy reserves. Take that mission away and me thinks the whole project falls over. What in my opinion is an unusual artifact of the times we live in is that I don't think this a nation state play. Nope, an oligarchic wish that has no boundaries but lots of financial interests.
I agree brainwashed, more so those who live in Israel, but sorry that doesn't excuse them in my book, when they can cold bloodily point a gun and shoot a little child through the head, or anyone else come to that.
I agree, same as the UK lot, I did say more so in Israel and that I stand by, as it's constant on Israeli television including their "comedy", Rabbi's never shut up with their hate speech, things like that are constant, so although our home kind are brainwashed, they don't have that extra touch as much.
Vin, that was a good one! But let's also include Western European Jews living in a diaspora who are certainly far removed (they were expelled from their country for revolting against Rome) from being actual sematic peoples, wherein, Palestinian people are truly sematic. It seems far too many do not realize this. Indeed, Palestinian people are SEMATIC, therefore, being anti-Palestinian is being antisemitic! Go figure?
Sure thing, I'm not biased, And I've made your point repeatedly over these years. I have genuinely Semitic friends with a parent born in the Levant -- who rightly take offense at calling folks like Polish Askenazi Bibi a Semite. I'm half-Sicilian with some likely North African genes, hence more likely to have Semitic blood than most of the folks I'm inviting to migrate.
Do you know what bothers me, just over 2,000 UK Jews went to fight in the IDF or preferably the IOF, now they're returning home after gleefully slaughtering men, women and children. Who knows what jobs half of them do, they could be working with children. There's an uncomfortable thought.
Remember those two dressing in the women of Gaza's underwear and making videos of themselves like that and deliberately throwing food and things on the floor. They were English and they're home somewhere.
The modern laws of war were created after the worst atrocities of the twentieth century to ensure that civilians would never again be treated as expendable.
Those rules were codified in treaties like the Geneva Conventions, which require militaries to distinguish between civilians and combatants and to limit the scale of force used in populated areas.
Yet the destruction now visible across Gaza — including bombed hospitals, schools, and entire residential neighborhoods — has been documented not only by regional outlets but by major Western media and investigations cited by groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.
Those same legal standards are frequently invoked by Western governments when condemning the conduct of their geopolitical adversaries.
Which leaves a question that becomes harder to avoid as the war continues.
If the laws of war were created to ensure civilians would never again be treated as expendable, what does it mean when the world is watching exactly that happen again?
You happened to forget the child rape, sex trafficking, and blackmail, as if the rest wasn't already enough. Oh, the spread of spying technologies to dictatorships around the world, too. One ray of hope: I am more and more coming around to the claim that Netanyahu is dead. And if he is dead, it is almost certainly because the Iranians nailed that son of a bitch with a missile.
"I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain—especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state. ... If external necessity should after all compel us to assume this burden, let us bear it with tact and patience."
-Albert Einstein, 1938
The Israelis offered Albert the Prime Ministerhood. He declined.
“The establishment of the State of Israel is not merely an event in world history; it is the fulfillment of a dream… The Jewish people have shown that they are able to create a state.”
“I am delighted by the prospect of the establishment of a Jewish state.”
- Albert Einstein 1948 (notably post-WWII)
He was not the only one whose thought evolved post-Holocaust
Duly noted. I tend to think his thought evolution would return to his 1938 assessment as the true nature of the Zionist project was exposed.
He was a phony in that regard. Cracking a mathematic equation does not make one a deep or morally exceptional person. I dont know why he is always quoted as a sage. He was a physicist not philosopher. The true test to anyone's character and integrity comes what they say in the face of adversity and what they say under pressure and when times are hard and the opposition big. It is easy to say the lofty shit he said above and that you quoted when times arent tough. Dont have heroes.
You’re the phony here; your post is nothing but fallacy and grammatical flaw. You think times weren’t tough in 1938?
This isn’t about heroes; it’s about truth, and justice. Human beings make mistakes. Truth isn’t validated by pressure or hard times.
Agree totally that being an expert in a particular field of study doesn’t automatically confer expert opinion in another area. Neither does it preclude it. Truth doesn’t give a crap about the particular credentials from whence it comes.
oh well if my grammar is wrong, that definitely makes me a phony for suresies.
The point is, you undermined your own argument by relying on a quote that doesn’t hold up in context. It falls flat once you consider how his views evolved just a few years later. This isn’t a case of someone reconsidering things decades down the line; the inconsistency showed up almost immediately.
Character isn’t about cherry-picked lines, it’s about some degree of moral consistency over time. Quoting someone as if they’re a definitive authority, when they didn’t even stand by that position themselves, weakens your point more than it strengthens it.
This isn’t about denying that people can be flawed or change their minds. It’s about being careful who you elevate and why. Treating inconsistent figures as moral authorities just doesn’t land the way you think it does.
It’s like caring what celebrities or athletes think. It’s not their expertise.
Thank you. Yeah he wasnt the enlightened hero everyone makes him out to be because he cracked a mathematic equation. Everyone they told you is a hero and good person has pretty much turned out to be the exact opposite. And everyone they told you is bad ended up, well, actually not being that awful. Remember history is written by the victors.
I used to be against the death penalty, but after the Epstein files, I’m for it. The only Justice is for those pedophiles not to breathe the same air as us. Life in prison is not enough.
My point is material conditions change peoples views over time.
Wow thank you for this quote, I had no idea it existed.
Cancel Israel.
Could you imagine where they’d all go if that happened, if the Israelis people weren’t ’cancelled’ as well? Imagine anything worse than millions of these criminal swine showing up en masse in the USA!
You must be referring to the often misinterpreted "Whore of Babylon". The actual "whore" is associated with Jerusalem, non-Christian religions, modern society, the United States, or perhaps the Roman Catholic Church. The whore is sometimes seen as a false religion that enables the Antichrist's rise before the Last Judgment. Erm...
Why do pundits call Christianity "Judeo-Christian" belief when no spiritual similarities actually exist? Jerusalem will burn...
When they refer to “judeo-Christian values” what they’re saying is Zionism. That’s the only thing that unites the two.
Christians believe Jesus died for their sins as the messiah, Jews believe the messiah is yet to arrive.
Christians believe in turning the other cheek, Jews believe in an eye for an eye.
While they share the same god (as does Islam) they are completely incompatible.
Could you imagine where they’d all go if that happened, if the Israelis people weren’t ’cancelled’ as well? Imagine anything worse than millions of these criminal swine showing up en masse in the USA!
Dear god no. I work in hospitality and am originally from the NYC metro region. The Israelis and zionists with their fake victimhood are completely insufferable. The Israelis especially - entitled assholes 100%. They don’t tip and they order you around like a slave.
There are many Jews in the world who are awesome, myself being one of them :P , but we are all antizionist and ostracized and silenced by the communities we came from.
The time to pull the plug was long ago.
Hopefully Iran will help to do it.
All those atrocities that Israel have committed yet we in the West are under threat if we speak out what has happened to our world that we are accepting the evil of a Nazi like regime ?
Good question Gerri. Here's a partial answer: "The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin… Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again… Take this great power away from them, or if you want to continue to be the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit.”
Sir Josiah Stamp (June 21, 1880 - April 16, 1941) Former president of the Bank of England
What has happened? I would suggest part of it is the tendency we humans have of overlooking things when they are relatively small, without considering the consequences that can come if it is allowed to come to fruition. I see this in every aspect of life, just look at most parents, and it repeats itself over and over. I think this happens because it's the easy, most convenient, way. The road to hell may well be paved with good intentions, but the road to heaven is never paved with what's most convenient.
I would say worse than anyone who has come before them
We didn’t go far enough with Nuremberg or the reconstruction after the American civil war. That’s what happened.
We also imported Nazis to the Americas after the war.
Time to pull the plug indeed. This is why I just wrote that the US is actually losing to Iran — and that’s actually a good thing. Zionism finally gets stopped: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-us-is-losing-the-iran-conflict
Franklin, you are most certainly correct! Zionism is at death's door, and there's no stopping it!
What about the brainwashed Zionists who are still alive? It is not inconceivable that they will start again.
If Zionism once again raises its ugly head, given what's being going on since the 40ths, it will be dealt with quickly!
The problem is going to be all those Christian Zionist's, where Israel left off, they would carry on at home.
I disagree + there is always money to use and abuse.
Let’s not forget about the Christian zionists who have huge numbers in America. I don’t know what the answer is. Maybe looking into the denazification of Germany after the war, or the deradicalization from cults for inspiration.
Also complicating things - all of Israel minus the children could be considered enemy combatants since they all have to serve in the IDF.
Yes. Good points asher. I agree.
🤞
But don't forget, you will still have all that Zionism to deal with in the USA, I can't see them going away quietly.
🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞...promise?
To the good news, Israel is about nearly exhausted and has nowhere and no one to turn to as even the US is near exhaustion. Neither nation has the resources to win this war, and everything concerning the outcome remains in Iranian hands. Point of fact: It's merely a matter of time. And proof of this is in Iran's historic war against Iraq: 8 long years and Iraq was unable to defeat Iran as their determination and resolve will be the same no matter what-may-come!
What I fear, and what Iran’s leaders fear from what I have been reading lately, is that these attacks by the U.S. and Israel will be ongoing, with respites only benefiting the attackers by allowing them to rebuild their weapons systems. That’s why one of the main elements of Iran’s set of demands is an end to future attacks. No more twelve day wars to be followed with strikes after a period of cessation. And if Iran is “winning,” it’s paying a heavy price for it — illegal assassinations of its political leaders and scientists, murders of its civilians, and horrible environmental damage that will cause ongoing health problems. Meanwhile, the whole world is suffering economically because of two rogue states — the U.S. and Israel. The citizens of the U.S. (I am one) have an outsized responsibility to stop this. Opposition is growing. We need to multiply it by scores.
We Americans need to move quick before they start drone striking internal opposition using the same tech that genocided at least 70k Palestinians if not double that. AI targeting, AI drones, no humans in the kill chain, all coming very soon to the US and already in use in Israel.
We need to take out the data centers that power this evil. As well as the Epstein class.
It’s not good news, because then they’ll just nuke Iran. This isn’t ending anytime soon and it’s only gonna get worse. Worst fucking timeline, I want off this ride.
You nailed it. Its so f*cking sad. Judaism is suffering thanks to Zionism.
The real threat Zionist Israel poses now is the Samson option. They are obviously insane enough to take it--nuking Tehran, or anywhere else, if they feel existentially threatened. If that escalates, which it almost certainly would, it's Armageddon, the psychotic wet dream of Christian fundamentalists for Jesus's return, and from Zionist perspectives, the arrival of their messiah. This reveals the barking mad core of both Jewish and Christian belief systems. And the Samson option represents their insane fulfillment.
I know Netanyahu is that psycopathic and insane, assuming he is still alive (which I now seriously doubt), but I'm not so sold that everyone in his circle is. They are all, broadly speaking, insane for their fantasy religious beliefs and racism, yes. But there is/was likely a circle of sycophants around the queen bee and if one of them is now calling the shots maybe there is hope they are sane *enough* not to capitulate to the suicidally insane crowd. Honestly, I think a false flag on America is more likely.
Why not both? False flag in America, American ground troops sent in response with Zionist owned social media brainwashing Americans to rally around the flag in support, and a few months / years down the road when enough Americans come home in flag draped boxes they’ll decide they’ve had enough and nuking Iran is the only reasonable option, just like Japan (which was allegedly about to surrender when the Russians invaded at the end of the war)
Also let’s not forget the use of AI in war now - I would not be surprised if nukes go flying sooner than later because the AI doesn’t give a shit about the aftermath.
.....have been thinking the same thing. I see it coming...they are THAT INSANE....monsters, parasites....israyhel - massive, collective PSYCHOPATHY....
The problem is they are like weeds. The foundation of their finance must be destroyed, that is the control of the Federal reserve via the little hats and their business of usury on fiat currencies. And their blackmail business on those that control government ... Aid to so-called Israel must end.
Plus the corrupt tax fraud on those enslaved in their system of finance.
Most definitely.
Couldn't agree more. Only I'm inclined to speculate using a religion or a screwed up belief system to align with a cultural core value empowers a proxy regime to work even harder at achieving the puppet masters desires. In this case projection of control over the energy reserves. Take that mission away and me thinks the whole project falls over. What in my opinion is an unusual artifact of the times we live in is that I don't think this a nation state play. Nope, an oligarchic wish that has no boundaries but lots of financial interests.
Time for a diaspora of Eastern European Jews returning to their actual homes. While leaving behind some smoking ruins.
These people are damaged Vin. Brainwashed from an early age.
I agree brainwashed, more so those who live in Israel, but sorry that doesn't excuse them in my book, when they can cold bloodily point a gun and shoot a little child through the head, or anyone else come to that.
American Jews are just as brainwashed as the Israelis and often share dual citizenship and serve in the IDF by choice.
I agree, same as the UK lot, I did say more so in Israel and that I stand by, as it's constant on Israeli television including their "comedy", Rabbi's never shut up with their hate speech, things like that are constant, so although our home kind are brainwashed, they don't have that extra touch as much.
Veronica. I am only talking about the Zionists who survive.
I don't know what you are talking about...........I'd be happy if they cease to exist!
As an antizionist jew since I was young, I concur with this statement. A hopeless amount of brainwashing to be exact.
Vin, that was a good one! But let's also include Western European Jews living in a diaspora who are certainly far removed (they were expelled from their country for revolting against Rome) from being actual sematic peoples, wherein, Palestinian people are truly sematic. It seems far too many do not realize this. Indeed, Palestinian people are SEMATIC, therefore, being anti-Palestinian is being antisemitic! Go figure?
Sure thing, I'm not biased, And I've made your point repeatedly over these years. I have genuinely Semitic friends with a parent born in the Levant -- who rightly take offense at calling folks like Polish Askenazi Bibi a Semite. I'm half-Sicilian with some likely North African genes, hence more likely to have Semitic blood than most of the folks I'm inviting to migrate.
Do you know what bothers me, just over 2,000 UK Jews went to fight in the IDF or preferably the IOF, now they're returning home after gleefully slaughtering men, women and children. Who knows what jobs half of them do, they could be working with children. There's an uncomfortable thought.
Remember those two dressing in the women of Gaza's underwear and making videos of themselves like that and deliberately throwing food and things on the floor. They were English and they're home somewhere.
Absolutely. A completely failed experiment that needs to be erased along with the hegemon.
🎶Boom boom Tel Aviv, this is what you get for all your evil deeds 💥💥💥👏👏👏🇮🇷🇵🇸
Are we blessed yet? It seems this hellscape is what they think that is.
How many genocides does it take before it is considered omnicide-Goat
Hoard copper (hint, current us coin)! Starve the beast! You will also be set specie wise for the fall of civ!
The modern laws of war were created after the worst atrocities of the twentieth century to ensure that civilians would never again be treated as expendable.
Those rules were codified in treaties like the Geneva Conventions, which require militaries to distinguish between civilians and combatants and to limit the scale of force used in populated areas.
Yet the destruction now visible across Gaza — including bombed hospitals, schools, and entire residential neighborhoods — has been documented not only by regional outlets but by major Western media and investigations cited by groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.
Those same legal standards are frequently invoked by Western governments when condemning the conduct of their geopolitical adversaries.
Which leaves a question that becomes harder to avoid as the war continues.
If the laws of war were created to ensure civilians would never again be treated as expendable, what does it mean when the world is watching exactly that happen again?
You happened to forget the child rape, sex trafficking, and blackmail, as if the rest wasn't already enough. Oh, the spread of spying technologies to dictatorships around the world, too. One ray of hope: I am more and more coming around to the claim that Netanyahu is dead. And if he is dead, it is almost certainly because the Iranians nailed that son of a bitch with a missile.
Now if only the Iranians can send a shahed to mar a lago…