How is going to a concert and having a good time any different than going to a concert and being slaughtered by a bunch of hang glider psychopaths from over the border?
Hamas is sacrificing those gaza people. If the US started nuking China, I'd be pissed if China nuked my town, but I'd understand why they did it.
Look, a false flag would not surprise me, but hamas seems to be happy to take credit.
Do not get me wrong, whoever is responsible for the taking of innocent lives should be severely punished. I have no loyalties to hamas, israel, or the biden administration - seems to me the world would be a better place w/o all of them - throw in current Iran asshats and a few others, too.
You also need to be be careful not to compare school age children in gaza with 18-19 year odds who are off duty Israeli army soldiers (the state of israel has acheived this occupation by permantley mobilizing all people over 18 as soldiers on a rolling basis of duty), and when on duty are the same ones brutalizing the palestinians. Or who else did you think was doing this - imaginary fairies?
I was wondering if Hamas really was indiscriminately killing civilians, not that I'd rule it out, but there is the issue of complete lack of trust in the media. Let's recall the Russian war crimes on balance seem to have in reality been committed by Ukraine, so we know that narratives are spun. Let's hope saner heads prevail.
That detachment from the horrors--that "it isn't real so we don't have to worry about what was done in our name" syndrome--is what keeps these conflicts growing and spreading. It's what the military industrial complex wants and needs to continue. It's why we've got to show the gruesome pictures and videos of the actual slaughter so it will shock the propagandized sleepy public awake. The body bags being loaded onto the planes from Vietnam shocked a generation and caused them to demand an end to that war. We need to do the same to help end all wars today.
Probably why they are now working hard to have full control of the Internet. They must keep the body bags hidden of all the "bad guys" they kill.
It's pretty sickening how one-sided the MSM talking heads and their shows - how they've been covering the ongoing humanitarian catastrophe over there. It's 90% showing what the Hamas have done to Israel - the body bags of Israelis. It's all pro-israel, pro-empire propaganda - George Orwell 1984 brainwashing of the American public who are still watching these propaganda shows.
I mean, I was just as sickened as anyone seeing these Festival goers get butchered in broad daylight. The horror of innocent civilians being tied up and driven off to who knows what fate. The heinous immorality of doing that to any innocent human being for whatever reason you've justified to yourself - ending their lives as a means to your own end. I don't think that kind of violence can *ever* be justified for any reason. But the Israelis in return, are perpetrating this same evil - even moreso by murdering even *more* innocent human beings. Neither side can call themselves morally good as the murder continues on both sides. And world leaders refusing to even attempt to halt the human carnage have just as much blood on their hands. The Zionists here though are the far greater evil - because they are the oppressors, not the Palestinians. But it still does not justify the butchery - from either side.
Did the people of Gaza know they were to be sacrificed like this? Israel now has the green light from western allies to basically wipe gaza from the map.
Did you actually even read this article or follow current events for the last few days? Do you have any idea what is going on? You must think that the people of Gaza are stupid.
The promised genocidal attack on Gaza looks to be in process at this time. This is the time for every witness, whether direct or indirect, to decide if their reputations, careers, personal relationships or false comfort of mind take priority over their souls.
Genocide is not endemic to the human condition. That is a cheap excuse for such a horrible situation. People learn throughout their lives to think it is important to be considered better than others. They learn that being rich is being successful. They learn that men are smarter and better than women, especially if they are white. They learn that people will think more highly of them if they own an expensive car or live in an expensive neighbourhood. But nobody is born that way. We need to stop our massive consumption, we need to value art and nature more, we need to allow each other to be whoever they chose to be. We all need to work on ourselves to unlearn all the garbage that we have been taught is important. We were not born thinking that.
no, I am not writing about anything that is completely different. Genocide doesn't happen out of the blue. It happens when one group that think they are better than another group and the "better" people then denigrate the "less good" people so that it becomes OK to hurt them or kill them. This all starts by brainwashing us into thinking that our nice clothes, beautiful house, expensive car etc make us "better" "successful people.
Very well said Caitlin. Regardless of anyone's sympathies atrocities against civilians are to be abhorred, with the scale of the abhorrence consistent with the scale of the atrocities. On this score the Israel regime is ahead by at least an order of magnitude (just check the ratio of civilian deaths and injuries after every flare up - about 80 to 1 on one occasion).
The hypocrisy of media and polities who are outraged about Palestinian actions and are then totally silent about the massively greater Israeli actions (genocidal over- reactions) is breathtaking.
Max Blumenthal's doco following the 2014 war in Gazza is more than enough to explain the causes of the latest violence. It would be nice if this was shown on all mainstream media channels!
The hypocrisy comes into it when the West pretends to be acting from the highest moral principles, and are lauded by the uninitiated - those who take rationalizations at face value. Israel has oppressed Palestine for 75 years, ever since the Nakba, or Palestine disaster when they forced 700,000 Palestinians from historic Palestine by openly committing the most horrendous atrocities, with the dual purpose of reducing the Palestinian population directly, and through fear of more atrocities. They have encouraged and ignored horrendous settler violence in the territories ever since, and for 16 years ignored the fact of 2.2 million Palestinians forced by Israel into what is commonly described as an open air prison where water, fuel and all supplies, even food, are strictly limited to the point that the the calories of a near starvation diet have been coldly calculated. And every few years they are mowed down in broad daylight - women, old men, unarmed young men, babies and young children. The West is always on the side of the most vicious, and that describes Israel. Gaza responded as all but the most subservient and brain dead must respond in order to keep their humanity. It is sickening to witness moral outrage and maudlin grief for entirely the wrong side.
The West is comprised mainly by North America, Europe and Australia and those countries that attach themselves through coercion or perceived advantage. It is only mystical in its ability to seem highly moral and even intelligent, because of its financial and economic superiority and sway. But that is changing with the new found power of the BRIC nations and the global south.
Is the West civilized? What we called civilization was actually raw colonialism. We don't have votes on war these days, and all parties are run by the shadow state which backs war in all its forms, all the time. The world powers recognize only one value: money.
I mean, it is about hypocrisy, a little bit. It is no coincidence that all the same empire apologists that supported the ukraine also support Israel today.
Serious intellectual hypocrisy is the greatest sin a person can commit. Nothing else matters.
Colonialists do what colonialists do. And they stick together.
Note that all the countries expressing shock and horror are the SAME one that have stood by while Israel has occupied, ravaged and dispossessed these civilians in Palestine for decades on end. They are the SAME ones that either drone innocent civilians to death around the world - knowingly - or ally with countries that do it:
«….. Biden’s remarks, predictably, incited Israeli war crimes. Immediately following the speech, Israel began using white phosphorus to create firestorms in civilian areas – a crime under international law. Israel bombed the headquarters of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East Tuesday, alongside countless other multi-story buildings. Israel continued to deny the Palestinians food, water, and electricity, in line with the pledge by Prime Minister Netanyahu that any areas harboring that resist the Israeli occupation will be reduced to “ruins.”
Biden's language comes close to promoting and legitimizing genocide. The resistance by Palestinians was a manifestation, Biden began, of “pure unadulterated evil.” These words echoed the statements of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu yesterday who called the Palestinians “animals.” Netanyahu’s Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said, “We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly….»
So all of this is simply colonialists standing together. None of them are actually interested in justice or peace. None.
If so, we are seeing the beginning of their end. You may not believe this, but people with no moral structure cannot survive. They will revert to the war of all against all. And that is what Mr. Gallant seems to have prescribed and seems to be following.
We live in societies with no moral structure whatsoever. The rich do what they want. “Government” works only for them. And many of government leaders are literally in the pockets of the rich.
Who should shed light on this? The media are pure liars. They wont even stand up when journalists as persecuted, let alone to defend the public interest. The son of the US president was collecting money for “work” in ukraine, where he as no experience, and doesn’t speak the language. Any language. What was he getting paid for then? The media refuses to even ask.
The courts? Corrupted too.
We are already there. And indeed this is not a sustainable system.
Actually, I think there are a lot of people who live within some kind of moral structure or other; otherwise, most of them would eventually kill one another. Since humans evolved into their present form before they cooked up religions, law and philosophy and other mind games, I assume it's some kind of instinct provided genetically through Evolution. At some point, those who want human beings to continue will have to get away from those who are devoted to death and destruction. Alternatively, I guess they can let Nature draw a line across the page.
I see the moral instinct, if any, as a positive thing, installed in normal human's by normal development of the individual (or a group or family) genetically to enable perhaps disparate collections of humans to get along and cooperate. The people who are missing the needed circuitry or chemicals, we usually call sociopaths or psychopaths. "Amoral", on the other hand, might be the result of some superficial abstract philosophical consideration, like nihilism, which didn't correspond to the person's real feelings or life experience but was rather the development of a mind game or a stance or pose. (Also, The two modes of thought could be in conflict with one another, as in Dostoyevsky's _Crime and Punishment_.) I suppose also that some life experiences might strengthen or diminish the moral instinct I'm proposing, so it's not a genes drive all sort of idea. No doubt there are people who will dislike this sort of theory because it seems redolent of woo or spirituality. It's actually pretty materialistic.
There can be no reasonable doub t that Jews have been persecuted for a large part of the last two thousand years. So I used to be quite inhibited from criticizing Jewish organization. But them I learned that the group pf Jews who subscribe to Zionism are something else. It is rather like the advanced German civilisation which suddenly developed a very large and very horrible off-shoot called Naziism . To criticize and oppose Nazi Germany was then the right thing to do in spite of the danger of demonising Germans in general. The Nazi State needed opposing and dismantling and exactl the asme applies to the Zionist State of Israel. The 100,000bomber raids blasting civilian Germany were not morally justified and nor is the attempt of fHamas and others to dismantle the Zionist State of Israel via the murder of masses of civilians
It’s a bit like blaming your battered wife for trying to poison you. I do not condone her poisoning you, but it was certainly provoked and understandable. Then you start trying to make her admit that she’s been very bad, that it’s her fault, that she should condemn herself for being evil. You start making sure all your friends agree that it’s her fault, that she’s been very bad and is evil, to justify your continuing to batter her, and then getting them to help you pummel her so hard she’ll never try it again.
Only later is it discovered that you took the poison yourself to set up your wife.
I think the Hamas attack was almost certainly planned, orchestrated or allowed by the Israelis or the CIA for exactly this violent, aggressive, scripted, zombie, insane response from Israel, US and Uk politicians and the miserable excuses for news media.
I wouldn't put it past the deep state knowing. But I think the more likely scenario - hypothesized by "The Duran" is the intelligence was given to the leaders including Netanyahu - and they ignored the intelligence. Now the reasons for them ignoring the intelligence, we'll probably never know. Was it incompetence, or the willingness to let it happen?
"If I was an Israel supporter I’d be thinking very carefully about the things I’m posting online in the build-up to what could end up being regarded as one of history’s worst genocidal massacres. The internet doesn’t forget. What you’re tweeting today could haunt you for life."
The Israeli government simply assumes that they will always be the winners, that their American gorilla will force everyone else to heel, that they always will be able to bully any dissent into silence and compliance.
George Steiner wrote that the Holocaust was what made the State of Israel possible.
Kate, it's important to remember that the Palestinians are not one homogeneous group. There is Hamas, Hezbollah, and of course, the Palestinians under the rule of the PNA. Hamas are the ones who instigated the fighting as far as I know. We have to treat them differently. Goals, tactics etc. are not necessarily the same.
Hamas apparently had the full support of the Gazans since nobody leaked any of their plans for the assault against the Israelis. Nobody. The people of Gaza were already being murdered on a regular basis, starved, locked up, unable to escape, being kidnapped and imprisoned and every other offense one can think of. They are paying a high price, but they are also making clearly visible the bloodthirstiness and cruelty of the Zionists. Free Palestine!
Treat them differently - by slaughtering an entire city - that they've abused now for decades as an apartheid state? How is that even close to remotely Just? An eye for an eye - apparently that is not the case here, it's like 1 eye for 100 eyes.
And how will this resolve anything? Are the Israelis going to kill everyone in the city? 2+ million inhabitants? Do you think the Arab world is just going to sit back and let that happen? Somehow, I doubt it. The longer this goes on, the more disastrous the repercussions will be for Israel and likely the world - because this cult of death could quickly escalate into a world war - which is the Neocons and Shitlibs psychopathic wet dream.
A propaganda piece ignoring entirely the abusive role of the Israelis and their immoral culpability - and placing the blame on the abused victims of Israeli's murderous policies: the Palestinians. The line "the Middle-East has moved on" is delusional. If Netanyahu, the US deep-state along with MI6 think that - you guys are in for a deluded rude awakening.
You mean the Israelis are the victims when they are running an apartheid state - known to the world as an open-air prison? When they sniper shoot unarmed human beings at their walls almost on a weekly basis?
That makes me blinkered? Had no idea Anthony. Gee, Do you ever wonder why half the world no longer believes your bullshit? Maybe because it is bullshit?
I find it very hard to understand how when I knew there were a lot of crazy people that every time I turn around THE NUMBER KEEPS GETTING BIGGER! This whole scenario is INSANE! Why the very first response is never STOP THE KILLING it's always let's find a better way to make money off of killing MORE PEOPLE! This is insanity at its worst.
How is carpet bombing of 2.5 M people in ultra-densely strip of land different from gas chambers?
I don't know, because all the people living in Gaza are the bad guys (including children)? Like in the movies?
Hamas attack – a set up ??!!
https://rumble.com/v3oewxb-the-israel-attacks-beyond-the-obvious-with-efrat-fenigson.html
It's messier. Himmler was a neat freak. That's why he went for gas chambers.
Other than that, not very much.
The more expensive a weapons system the more legitimate the violence it wrecks. Everybody knows that.
How is going to a concert and having a good time any different than going to a concert and being slaughtered by a bunch of hang glider psychopaths from over the border?
Hamas is sacrificing those gaza people. If the US started nuking China, I'd be pissed if China nuked my town, but I'd understand why they did it.
Think of it like The Warsaw Ghetto uprising - nothing to lose.
That's a great analogy. Wanna bet on when we'll see it on CNN or Fox?
Neither do I.
Hamas attack – a set up ??!!
https://rumble.com/v3oewxb-the-israel-attacks-beyond-the-obvious-with-efrat-fenigson.html
Look, a false flag would not surprise me, but hamas seems to be happy to take credit.
Do not get me wrong, whoever is responsible for the taking of innocent lives should be severely punished. I have no loyalties to hamas, israel, or the biden administration - seems to me the world would be a better place w/o all of them - throw in current Iran asshats and a few others, too.
One murder does not justify another.
You also need to be be careful not to compare school age children in gaza with 18-19 year odds who are off duty Israeli army soldiers (the state of israel has acheived this occupation by permantley mobilizing all people over 18 as soldiers on a rolling basis of duty), and when on duty are the same ones brutalizing the palestinians. Or who else did you think was doing this - imaginary fairies?
Hamas attack – a set up ??!!
https://rumble.com/v3oewxb-the-israel-attacks-beyond-the-obvious-with-efrat-fenigson.html
I was wondering if Hamas really was indiscriminately killing civilians, not that I'd rule it out, but there is the issue of complete lack of trust in the media. Let's recall the Russian war crimes on balance seem to have in reality been committed by Ukraine, so we know that narratives are spun. Let's hope saner heads prevail.
That detachment from the horrors--that "it isn't real so we don't have to worry about what was done in our name" syndrome--is what keeps these conflicts growing and spreading. It's what the military industrial complex wants and needs to continue. It's why we've got to show the gruesome pictures and videos of the actual slaughter so it will shock the propagandized sleepy public awake. The body bags being loaded onto the planes from Vietnam shocked a generation and caused them to demand an end to that war. We need to do the same to help end all wars today.
Probably why they are now working hard to have full control of the Internet. They must keep the body bags hidden of all the "bad guys" they kill.
It's pretty sickening how one-sided the MSM talking heads and their shows - how they've been covering the ongoing humanitarian catastrophe over there. It's 90% showing what the Hamas have done to Israel - the body bags of Israelis. It's all pro-israel, pro-empire propaganda - George Orwell 1984 brainwashing of the American public who are still watching these propaganda shows.
I mean, I was just as sickened as anyone seeing these Festival goers get butchered in broad daylight. The horror of innocent civilians being tied up and driven off to who knows what fate. The heinous immorality of doing that to any innocent human being for whatever reason you've justified to yourself - ending their lives as a means to your own end. I don't think that kind of violence can *ever* be justified for any reason. But the Israelis in return, are perpetrating this same evil - even moreso by murdering even *more* innocent human beings. Neither side can call themselves morally good as the murder continues on both sides. And world leaders refusing to even attempt to halt the human carnage have just as much blood on their hands. The Zionists here though are the far greater evil - because they are the oppressors, not the Palestinians. But it still does not justify the butchery - from either side.
Did the people of Gaza know they were to be sacrificed like this? Israel now has the green light from western allies to basically wipe gaza from the map.
Did you actually even read this article or follow current events for the last few days? Do you have any idea what is going on? You must think that the people of Gaza are stupid.
I’ve read the military arm of Hamas led the attack and this isn’t necessarily the people
of Gaza, hence the question
So much for Caitlin's warning. Well, she tried.
Timmy Taes: are you trying to be provocative or do you actually think the people of Gaza are stupid?
The promised genocidal attack on Gaza looks to be in process at this time. This is the time for every witness, whether direct or indirect, to decide if their reputations, careers, personal relationships or false comfort of mind take priority over their souls.
You're one, too.
Genocide is not endemic to the human condition. That is a cheap excuse for such a horrible situation. People learn throughout their lives to think it is important to be considered better than others. They learn that being rich is being successful. They learn that men are smarter and better than women, especially if they are white. They learn that people will think more highly of them if they own an expensive car or live in an expensive neighbourhood. But nobody is born that way. We need to stop our massive consumption, we need to value art and nature more, we need to allow each other to be whoever they chose to be. We all need to work on ourselves to unlearn all the garbage that we have been taught is important. We were not born thinking that.
no, I am not writing about anything that is completely different. Genocide doesn't happen out of the blue. It happens when one group that think they are better than another group and the "better" people then denigrate the "less good" people so that it becomes OK to hurt them or kill them. This all starts by brainwashing us into thinking that our nice clothes, beautiful house, expensive car etc make us "better" "successful people.
I think Extinction Rebellion is trying hard.
The higher the cost of the weapon, the more legitimate the violence. Everyone knows that.
If you spend a trillion dollars on a weapons system then it is practically a holy relic.
Very well said Caitlin. Regardless of anyone's sympathies atrocities against civilians are to be abhorred, with the scale of the abhorrence consistent with the scale of the atrocities. On this score the Israel regime is ahead by at least an order of magnitude (just check the ratio of civilian deaths and injuries after every flare up - about 80 to 1 on one occasion).
The hypocrisy of media and polities who are outraged about Palestinian actions and are then totally silent about the massively greater Israeli actions (genocidal over- reactions) is breathtaking.
Max Blumenthal's doco following the 2014 war in Gazza is more than enough to explain the causes of the latest violence. It would be nice if this was shown on all mainstream media channels!
The hypocrisy comes into it when the West pretends to be acting from the highest moral principles, and are lauded by the uninitiated - those who take rationalizations at face value. Israel has oppressed Palestine for 75 years, ever since the Nakba, or Palestine disaster when they forced 700,000 Palestinians from historic Palestine by openly committing the most horrendous atrocities, with the dual purpose of reducing the Palestinian population directly, and through fear of more atrocities. They have encouraged and ignored horrendous settler violence in the territories ever since, and for 16 years ignored the fact of 2.2 million Palestinians forced by Israel into what is commonly described as an open air prison where water, fuel and all supplies, even food, are strictly limited to the point that the the calories of a near starvation diet have been coldly calculated. And every few years they are mowed down in broad daylight - women, old men, unarmed young men, babies and young children. The West is always on the side of the most vicious, and that describes Israel. Gaza responded as all but the most subservient and brain dead must respond in order to keep their humanity. It is sickening to witness moral outrage and maudlin grief for entirely the wrong side.
The West is comprised mainly by North America, Europe and Australia and those countries that attach themselves through coercion or perceived advantage. It is only mystical in its ability to seem highly moral and even intelligent, because of its financial and economic superiority and sway. But that is changing with the new found power of the BRIC nations and the global south.
Is the West civilized? What we called civilization was actually raw colonialism. We don't have votes on war these days, and all parties are run by the shadow state which backs war in all its forms, all the time. The world powers recognize only one value: money.
I mean, it is about hypocrisy, a little bit. It is no coincidence that all the same empire apologists that supported the ukraine also support Israel today.
Serious intellectual hypocrisy is the greatest sin a person can commit. Nothing else matters.
Behind most human atrocities - one will find a lie.
Colonialists do what colonialists do. And they stick together.
Note that all the countries expressing shock and horror are the SAME one that have stood by while Israel has occupied, ravaged and dispossessed these civilians in Palestine for decades on end. They are the SAME ones that either drone innocent civilians to death around the world - knowingly - or ally with countries that do it:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/sep/07/us-airstrikes-killed-at-least-22000-civilians-since-911-analysis-finds
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/20/us-releases-video-of-afghanistan-drone-strike-that-killed-10-civilians
And immediately they have swing into full on coordinated fascist mode:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/11/pers-o11.html
«….. Biden’s remarks, predictably, incited Israeli war crimes. Immediately following the speech, Israel began using white phosphorus to create firestorms in civilian areas – a crime under international law. Israel bombed the headquarters of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East Tuesday, alongside countless other multi-story buildings. Israel continued to deny the Palestinians food, water, and electricity, in line with the pledge by Prime Minister Netanyahu that any areas harboring that resist the Israeli occupation will be reduced to “ruins.”
Biden's language comes close to promoting and legitimizing genocide. The resistance by Palestinians was a manifestation, Biden began, of “pure unadulterated evil.” These words echoed the statements of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu yesterday who called the Palestinians “animals.” Netanyahu’s Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said, “We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly….»
So all of this is simply colonialists standing together. None of them are actually interested in justice or peace. None.
If so, we are seeing the beginning of their end. You may not believe this, but people with no moral structure cannot survive. They will revert to the war of all against all. And that is what Mr. Gallant seems to have prescribed and seems to be following.
We live in societies with no moral structure whatsoever. The rich do what they want. “Government” works only for them. And many of government leaders are literally in the pockets of the rich.
Who should shed light on this? The media are pure liars. They wont even stand up when journalists as persecuted, let alone to defend the public interest. The son of the US president was collecting money for “work” in ukraine, where he as no experience, and doesn’t speak the language. Any language. What was he getting paid for then? The media refuses to even ask.
The courts? Corrupted too.
We are already there. And indeed this is not a sustainable system.
Actually, I think there are a lot of people who live within some kind of moral structure or other; otherwise, most of them would eventually kill one another. Since humans evolved into their present form before they cooked up religions, law and philosophy and other mind games, I assume it's some kind of instinct provided genetically through Evolution. At some point, those who want human beings to continue will have to get away from those who are devoted to death and destruction. Alternatively, I guess they can let Nature draw a line across the page.
Below is what you could consider to be a definton of our economic and political overlords at the moment:
Dictionary Definition:
amoral
/ˌeɪˈmɒrəl/
adjective
lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something.
I see the moral instinct, if any, as a positive thing, installed in normal human's by normal development of the individual (or a group or family) genetically to enable perhaps disparate collections of humans to get along and cooperate. The people who are missing the needed circuitry or chemicals, we usually call sociopaths or psychopaths. "Amoral", on the other hand, might be the result of some superficial abstract philosophical consideration, like nihilism, which didn't correspond to the person's real feelings or life experience but was rather the development of a mind game or a stance or pose. (Also, The two modes of thought could be in conflict with one another, as in Dostoyevsky's _Crime and Punishment_.) I suppose also that some life experiences might strengthen or diminish the moral instinct I'm proposing, so it's not a genes drive all sort of idea. No doubt there are people who will dislike this sort of theory because it seems redolent of woo or spirituality. It's actually pretty materialistic.
There can be no reasonable doub t that Jews have been persecuted for a large part of the last two thousand years. So I used to be quite inhibited from criticizing Jewish organization. But them I learned that the group pf Jews who subscribe to Zionism are something else. It is rather like the advanced German civilisation which suddenly developed a very large and very horrible off-shoot called Naziism . To criticize and oppose Nazi Germany was then the right thing to do in spite of the danger of demonising Germans in general. The Nazi State needed opposing and dismantling and exactl the asme applies to the Zionist State of Israel. The 100,000bomber raids blasting civilian Germany were not morally justified and nor is the attempt of fHamas and others to dismantle the Zionist State of Israel via the murder of masses of civilians
It’s a bit like blaming your battered wife for trying to poison you. I do not condone her poisoning you, but it was certainly provoked and understandable. Then you start trying to make her admit that she’s been very bad, that it’s her fault, that she should condemn herself for being evil. You start making sure all your friends agree that it’s her fault, that she’s been very bad and is evil, to justify your continuing to batter her, and then getting them to help you pummel her so hard she’ll never try it again.
Only later is it discovered that you took the poison yourself to set up your wife.
I think the Hamas attack was almost certainly planned, orchestrated or allowed by the Israelis or the CIA for exactly this violent, aggressive, scripted, zombie, insane response from Israel, US and Uk politicians and the miserable excuses for news media.
I wouldn't put it past the deep state knowing. But I think the more likely scenario - hypothesized by "The Duran" is the intelligence was given to the leaders including Netanyahu - and they ignored the intelligence. Now the reasons for them ignoring the intelligence, we'll probably never know. Was it incompetence, or the willingness to let it happen?
I am 81.
Joe Biden is the most evil President in my lifetime. I am saying Hail Marys for the Palestinians.
The Prez is largely irrelevant. But judging by evil committed with Prezal approval JB wins. Nixon was an angel compared with what's going on now.
No mass murderer can be irrelevant.
"If I was an Israel supporter I’d be thinking very carefully about the things I’m posting online in the build-up to what could end up being regarded as one of history’s worst genocidal massacres. The internet doesn’t forget. What you’re tweeting today could haunt you for life."
The Israeli government simply assumes that they will always be the winners, that their American gorilla will force everyone else to heel, that they always will be able to bully any dissent into silence and compliance.
George Steiner wrote that the Holocaust was what made the State of Israel possible.
Kate, it's important to remember that the Palestinians are not one homogeneous group. There is Hamas, Hezbollah, and of course, the Palestinians under the rule of the PNA. Hamas are the ones who instigated the fighting as far as I know. We have to treat them differently. Goals, tactics etc. are not necessarily the same.
Hamas apparently had the full support of the Gazans since nobody leaked any of their plans for the assault against the Israelis. Nobody. The people of Gaza were already being murdered on a regular basis, starved, locked up, unable to escape, being kidnapped and imprisoned and every other offense one can think of. They are paying a high price, but they are also making clearly visible the bloodthirstiness and cruelty of the Zionists. Free Palestine!
There is no such ethnic group as "Palestinians", Therefore no "Palestine" to be freed.
The people living there are the ones who decide that. Not you.
Treat them differently - by slaughtering an entire city - that they've abused now for decades as an apartheid state? How is that even close to remotely Just? An eye for an eye - apparently that is not the case here, it's like 1 eye for 100 eyes.
And how will this resolve anything? Are the Israelis going to kill everyone in the city? 2+ million inhabitants? Do you think the Arab world is just going to sit back and let that happen? Somehow, I doubt it. The longer this goes on, the more disastrous the repercussions will be for Israel and likely the world - because this cult of death could quickly escalate into a world war - which is the Neocons and Shitlibs psychopathic wet dream.
Ordinary Jews throughout the world will suffer because of what these unhinged Zionists are up to.
Jamenta, I recommend you watch this video: https://www.ted.com/talks/ian_bremmer_the_israel_hamas_war_and_what_it_means_for_the_world
A propaganda piece ignoring entirely the abusive role of the Israelis and their immoral culpability - and placing the blame on the abused victims of Israeli's murderous policies: the Palestinians. The line "the Middle-East has moved on" is delusional. If Netanyahu, the US deep-state along with MI6 think that - you guys are in for a deluded rude awakening.
No. You are blinkered. You do have your own biases you know.
You mean the Israelis are the victims when they are running an apartheid state - known to the world as an open-air prison? When they sniper shoot unarmed human beings at their walls almost on a weekly basis?
That makes me blinkered? Had no idea Anthony. Gee, Do you ever wonder why half the world no longer believes your bullshit? Maybe because it is bullshit?
jamenta, you are looking at it dualistically. This will never solve the problem. Sure, bask in your anger but that will never fix this problem.
Yah, the Israelis are doing a heckuva job homogenizing them right now.
I find it very hard to understand how when I knew there were a lot of crazy people that every time I turn around THE NUMBER KEEPS GETTING BIGGER! This whole scenario is INSANE! Why the very first response is never STOP THE KILLING it's always let's find a better way to make money off of killing MORE PEOPLE! This is insanity at its worst.
I see no difference between incinerating people in incinerators
Or incinerating them from air conditioned offices.
Well - if you do it from air conditioned offices - it has a benign touch to it.