Thank you - thank you. Israel has been practicing genocide on Palestinians since 1948 and even sooner. Hamas and Palestinians have solid grounds to rise up to this brutal genocide, and open air prison. The Palestinian land was stolen!
That's idiotic nonsense. A government is not a people, it's a conceptual construct. You can't "genocide" a conceptual construct. Saying you want the end of an apartheid state is no more "genocide" than my saying I seek the dissolution of the US-centralized empire.
Goodbuy??!! Boo to you! Hurrah, Caitlyn! Viva Palestine!!! Palestine Is Still and Will Always Be the Issue Until truth, justice, liberation and peace comes the way of Palestine and its people! Resist, Palestine!
If you think criticism of the state of Israel is anti-Semitic then you believe that Israel is an ethnostate. If you believe that, then you also agree that Israel should be suppressing all other religions within that state. And you also believe that Palestinians should never hold power within that state.
Well, most of us here are trying to signal the most virtue. Logic is used in this game, but it's actually irrelevant, because the point is to win. "Winning isn't everything -- it's the only thing."
According to this opinion if a democracy elects a government you don’t like you can oppose it , agreed but you can’t kidnap, murder and rape its citizens.
You can if you're an unelected dictatorship oppressing the population you claim to represent.
Hamas are, and always will be, a fringe lunatic terror organisation. They are dictators of Gaza by default and see death to every non-islamic person as a desirable goal - and that includes every last apologist here and elsewhere, including Caitlin!
Скатертью дорога, Валера. И впредь держи себя в руках, а то ошибки смешные делаешь. Израилю привет, жовто-блакiтному прапору не забудь отсалютовать тоже. Сам знаешь как.
A gov't is not its people. And concertgoers are not a government or a historical oppressive force or anything but kids enjoying their lives. People that would kidnap, rape, torture, and murder them are ALWAYS wrong and ALWAYS warrant severe retribution.
What makes matters worse is that these ANIMALS that kidnap, rape, torture, and murder have no protection for their own innocents. So, maybe the innocents can head to a neighboring State for refuge; alas no, none will have them because the ANIMALS have burned those neighboring states in the past when they did the humanitarian thing and accepted refugees.
The Ottomans and Germans lost WWI and lost the land - get over it. The Ottomans ddin't control that land a few hundred years earlier anyway. The 'palestinians' are not the indigenous in the region, they are historically nomads.
I realize that a couple 1,000 innocents lost is nothing to a commie-sympathizer, afterall commies have been responsible for about 100 Million deaths in their quest to give the people what they want.
You are WRONG about this, so very very WRONG, Caitlin.
Idiotic nonsense? You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.
Here’s part of the 1988 Hamas covenant which clearly calls for the murder of the Jews:
Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
I would assume by "Israel" the OP means "the population and/or state of Israel." Eliminating a state usually means destroying it by force, that is, a victorious war. Given the tribalism so popular these days, that would probably mean something like what we would call genocide, just as it does when Russia or China -- or the United States -- is the presumed target.
No fear of that! But Truth with a capital T -- I'm sure someone around here will let me in on it one of these days, when so many are just bursting with the Truth!
Listen whose talking. Our local troll goes around shitting on so many people here in the comments section, and then pretending he's not the fuckhead he/she is.
I think Israel should be eliminated from the face of the Earth too. It was a horrible idea in ‘44 and it’s a horrible idea now. But not by genocide. Genocide is what is practiced on the Palestinians in order to create this theocratic monster. Destroy it. Send the settler land thieves back to New York, destroy the arms and nukes Washington has provided to the Zionist’s and negotiate an end to this open air prison. PLEASE!!! Hamas’s charter is not the bad guy here.
Israel wouldn't need to be eliminated, just cut off their funding and remove their weaponry. Then they would be on equal footing with their Palestinian neighbors.
According to this opinion if a democracy elects a government you don’t like you can oppose it , agreed but you can’t kidnap, murder and rape its citizens.
I can agree, certainly. But calling it Israel is like calling Rome Catholic City—It privileges one religion over another. And religions ALWAYS ago around killing each other, especially the Abrahamic religions. Palestine is a good name and puts all on an equal footing. This was meant for Marci, not Ellyn.
According to this opinion if a democracy elects a government you don’t like you can oppose it , agreed but you can’t kidnap, murder and rape its citizens.
Genicide by the IDF on Gaza. For a very long time, Israel has wanted to push the Palestinians in Gaza, into the sea. Now they may try and justify their coming extermination/genicide of the Palestinians as provoked.
Hmmm, there are reports from Israeli settlers that the crossings were strangely devoid of IDF troops, very odd. But remember this border has massive monitoring systems. No movement can ever go unnoticed. IMO it was a set up. Hamas was enticed to spontaneously have a go, found almost no resistance, so went for it. And now the IDF can say it was unprovoked and smash them. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. The Palestinians have no army, no navy, no air force. It will be genocide, they will be slaughtered. Totally evil move by Israel!
I had the same reaction. Unless they know there is support coming - or they can hide millions of people from what they must know will be massive retaliation - there is something strange to this...
Which still begs the question of why the Palestinians would fall for it. But I think that is explained by a lifetime of oppression and resentment and humiliation--the frustration of not being able to do something about it boils over, it feels so good to lash out at your oppressor even if you know you can't win.
No. Plenty of Jews live in other countries, especially USA where many hold dual citizenship. Jews are not the problem, the Zionist extremists are. Currently those Zio-Nazis control Israeli government.
Martin Van Creveld warned his nation about losing the moral high ground. IDF and Zionist brutality and desecration set off the Hamas counteroffensive. The Mossad and Shin Bet knew it was coming and let it happen in order to manufacture consent and unify the populace. The CIA and FBI pulled the same shit with 9/11 and I was one who fell for it when I should have known better.
You do realize that Hamas was created by Israel in the late 70s-early 80s?
And while we're at it: nothing and there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING antisemitic about what Caitlin's article described. If you choose to disarm an argument by calling someone antisemitic, you better come with the receipts.
In fact, they call for the elimination of Jewry and Christianity on a global scale. In the end, long after I am dead, Islam will reform, or the global war on the matter will be the last one.
20% of the citizenry of Israel is Arab. None of them leave. They don't because they have security, jobs, prosperity and wealth courtesy of Israel. Those who vetoed the 2-state option and left and declared War on Israel have spent almost 3 generations learning what a bad idea it was.
Pointless nomads claiming "palestine" is their nation requires one to ignore all known history pre WWII.
Neolibs have a Nazi mindset too. We have Neocon Nazis, Neolib Nazis, Femi-Nazis and Zio-Nazis as representatives in our government. The same for the EU, Australia, South Korea and Japan.
I’m not buying that Mossad and Shin Bet missed the build up for this attack and I am deeply suspicious that the border security was deliberately weakened to allow for an unimpeded incursion with maximum shock effect on Israel and of course the USG. Is it too far a reach to infer this will lead to aggression against Iran and by extension, further provocation and violence on Ri
Israel knows very well that the al-Aqsa mosque is red line for Muslims [1]. Actually, Hamas even warned Israel not to cross this red line exactly a week ago [2]. Yet, Israel decided to cross it just a few days ago [3]. Do you really think Mossad did not know anything? HA, HA, HA!
Of course they knew it. They just let it happen on purpose, probably to unite a country on the brink of collpsing.
I would like to remind that even the Israeli military aviation went on strike earlier this year against Benjamin Netanyahu's constitutional reform [4].
They are repeating the same chapter from their playbook as they did in the US on 9/11, UK on 7/7 and and.....even the alleged COVID....Climate change and the imminent (oh FO) alien invasion..... WE CAN SEE THROUGH IT; unfortunately the dumb and ignorant masses lap it all up.
Israel has been looking for a justifiable excuse to drive the Palestinians in Gaza, into the sea. We're about to see a genocide. To start with a massive propaganda campaign against Gaza, the circling of the wagons internationally...it was/is a set up.
Hey, if Jim Jordan says genocide is good, then genocide is good. I'm sure our Congress will fully back the nation that currently cornholes America until the cows come home.
To think that in 2023 people still have to fight for their existence. Establishing Israel in Palestine in 1948 was a travesty, a betrayal by the British of the Palestinians. Israel has never upheld terms of the UN agreement. Instead they have been brutal toward the Palestinians, terrorizing children, murdering journalists, permanently crippling people. The Palestinians have right to protect themselves! The US gov. Officials have no conscience. Unprovoked! My ass!
All arabs declared war on Israel. Palestine state was rejected in favour of war iirc.
Screw the Hamas dictatorship, they have no authority other than that empowered by weaponry delivered to them by terrorist states (incl most of the West for whom I share little sympathy here)
I see the headlines this morning and my hair bristles. I look around to see if I can solve the riddle. To believe the Israelis Intel had no clue such a big attack was imminent is foolish. You don’t have all this side hustle bullshit (independent actions) and keep OPSEC.
So then the paranoia kicks in and you wonder what is really happening. That doesn’t make me schizo it makes me a critical thinker. We must never allow ourselves to fall for the lie again. It’s also important to gauge our response. Getting bogged down in conspiracy is no bueno either. Find that happy medium.
THAKS FOR THIS POLITICIAN ! and his A: And then, of course, President Putin intervened, striking the plenary session like lightning.
This is an unofficial Top Ten of his address, before the Q&A which was characteristically engaging:
“I even suggested joining NATO for Russia. But no, NATO does not need such a country (…) Apparently, the problem is geopolitical interests and an arrogant attitude towards others.”
“We never started the so-called war in Ukraine. We are trying to end it.”
“In the international system, lawlessness reigns supreme.”
“This is not a territorial war. The issue is much broader and more fundamental: it is about the principles on which a new world order will be built.”
“The history of the West is a chronicle of endless expansion, and a huge financial pyramid.”
“A certain part of the West always needs an enemy. To preserve the internal control of their system.”
“Perhaps [the West] should check its hubris.”
“That era [of Western domination] is long gone. It’s never coming back.”
“Russia is a distinct civilization-state”.
“Our understanding of civilization is quite different. First, there are many civilizations. And none of them is better or worse than the other. They are equal, as expressions of the aspirations of their cultures, their traditions, their peoples. For each of us it is different.”
On The Road to “Asynchronous Multipolarity”
The theme of Valdai 2023 was, most appropriately, ‘Fair Multipolarity’. The key axes of discussion were presented in this provocative, detailed report. It’s as if the report had prepared the stage for Putin’s address and his carefully crafted answers to the questions from the plenary.
The concept of multipolarity in the Russian space was first articulated by the late, great Yevgeny Primakov in the mid-Nineties. Now, the road to multipolarity is based on Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s concept of “strategic patience”.
The perception management has to be this brazen this time out--the public is becoming more and more doubting and questioning as to how any of these violent conflicts are necessary let alone "provoked." The propagandists are becoming less and less imaginative in their wording and tactics. Let's not stop them as they make mistake after mistake. The illusory effect might yet be destroyed along with imperialism!
Excellent! I so agree. It’s funny how these masters of disguise can’t quite figure out that every time they false flag, people see a little more clearly what it is they are doing.
"(U)nprovoked" is becoming hackneyed, and in this case is beyond ridiculous. I've seen photo evidence of Palestinians - children, unarmed women and men, the aged - shot by IDF from behind barbed wire. This was testified to by human rights activists and organizations. Mystifying how a stockpile of 2500 to 7000 home made missiles went undetected by one of the most sophisticated intelligence and surveillance organizations in the entire world. But they were "shocked". Well I'm a little shocked that deadly arms delivered by an advanced state that intermittently and arbitrarily kills innocents (mowing the lawn) in an open-air prison are actually more moral than amateur rockets that are far less deadly -because they are more accurate!!! It's a moral metric - and logic- I can't buy into.
Israel kills at least 12 Palestinians for every Israeli killed. It's a stat that seems to imply Israeli lives
Israel is a full-blown Nazi state if we are to apply meaningful definition of Nazism. Its full support of Nazi Ukraine serves as another proof, so blatant and in your face nobody in the West notices it.
I'm confident that our government will do everything in its power to bring this conflict to a peaceful and amicable conclusion just like they have in the Ukraine…
Sigh. I remember going to see Duck Soup at a cinema, as a kid. It was in Beirut. Sadly, within 3 years, Beirut had been engulfed by the Lebanese Civil War.
As usual, defending radical Islam requires cherry picking history (a logical fallacy), as if this long-standing religious war began in 1948. This is a long discussion that goes back to the beginning of Christianity and then Islam. The Roman punishment for sedition was crucifixion. Jesus was crucified because he attacked the empire via the money lenders. In the 2nd century, Bishop Irenaeus of Lyon changed the story and blamed the Jews. If Jesus had actually committed blasphemy, he would have been stoned to death. At the same time, after another Jewish revolt against Rome was put down, Rome renamed Palestina (the Philistine states, now Gaza), Israel, and Syria as "Syria Palestina," trying to wipe Israel off the map. So, it was the Romans that renamed Israel as Palestine, not the Palestinians. In the 4th century, the lie that the Jews killed Jesus was baked into the so-called "New Testament" (another insult to the Jews, as if the Torah [Old Testament] had been replaced. This lie in the New Testament is the root cause of anti-Semitism for the past two millennia, resulting in torture, forced conversion, expulsions, asset seizures, etc. leading to the Holocaust. Islam, which sees itself as the spiritual heir to Judaism and Christianity, adopted this lie as well and had its own SS brigade (Handcar) in WWII, which rounded up Jews and others. Both Christianity and Islam are proselytizing religions that, ultimately, want everyone in the world to believe what they believe. Right now, Iran, an Islamic theocratic dictatorship is funding Hamas, Hezb'Allah, and the Islamic Jihad in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, and elsewhere, including Africa. Their goal is an Islamic super-state, including wiping Israel off the map and killing the Jews. So, all of this is a long-term religious war, which is why all the attempted solutions have never worked, because non-Jews see the situation as political, which is how Islam wants people to see this. And that is the core of their propaganda, that Israel is Palestine and that Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine. That game is over, even if the rest of the world has bought into the lie, because their belief system depends on that lie. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/origin-of-quot-palestine-quot
Tsk tsk now. People pretending to be intellectuals and giving pedantic arguments to us all that we should just follow because they sound like a smart person might sound, take big offense at such naughty words. 🧐🤓🤔
Jeano, that was probably one of Peter's more intelligent contributions. His highly informed, (for him, I would suggest), remark strongly indicates that he is a real expert when it comes to reproductive procedures and especially, equine fecal excrement.
Ya know, reading these “erudite” comments by Robert, it’s hard to believe that they are not a rib. A put on. Because they are so utterly stupid, so tangential to the discussion at hand and so adamantly defended that it seems like someone must be paying him to do the old equine fecal excrement act! Otherwise why come off as such a fool?
The reason why is that none of this long winded “explanation” matters. Israel is a cat’s paw for the empire, fully funded by the US taxpayer and armed by Raytheon. It’s our bully boy and therefore allowed to do any damn fascist thing it wishes to. Going back to Jesus to excuse this murderous country is just hog wash.
Damn, I know!!! I was so into his ideas for peace and regeneration of US ideals. This defense of Netenyahoo! is just revolting!!! Maybe he has to say this tho, to stay alive. I’m sure mussad could be sicced on him and since Asshole Joe wont give him any security as the law requires, he may be just picking his battles. Pretty sure most of the idiot middle class agree that Palestinians are bad and RFK gets to stay alive to run. Win-win! 😱
Do you take responsibility for US foreign policy? If not, then you are distinguishing between people who live in the US from those who control the country. The fact that the government of Israel is controlled by the Anglo-Euro-American banking cartel (which also controls the US, UK, EU, etc.) does not mean that everyone living their supports the cartel. Nor does this refute the historical facts that I wrote, so this part of your response is a red herring and a straw man argument (two more logical fallacies). As far as your comment regarding the history of the Levant, I can only take this to mean that you wish to pick your own date that ignores the long-standing religious war. You might note that the Islamo-fascists often attack the Jews on their religious holidays, as if to add 1400 years of insults to injury.
Bullshit. And yes, I DO take responsibility for US foreign policy. I’m a citizen. Just because it’s fashionable now for the feckless yuppies to absolve themselves of all the grotesqueries of this Empire doesn’t make recounting Israel’s barbarous history an absolution for their current genocide. Jeez!
Really, is "bullshit" the best you can do? You have not presented any facts, only your opinions. You seem to be ignoring the history of genocide against the Jews and pretending like this started in 1948 which, as I said in my initial comment, is cherry picking history to fit your belief system. After so many logical fallacies, I can see you don't really know the rules of debate; i.e., your opinions are not facts.
You sound like Butt and dementa. You both use the same arguments to try to keep a fight going. It’s boring. You’re boring. Piss off. And yes, bullshit is a perfectly good descriptive term for what is rolling out of your brain.
It would take a book to respond to every lie and phony presumption that you and your crowd have been telling for 75 years. If you want to read the book(s), you can google Norman Finklestein. For those of us who have had to put up with the crap you are parroting, “what a fucking load of horseshit” is all that is necessary, and more than it merits.
Yeah, he had that blurb stashed (and has quite a few more up his whatever, no doubt), blurts it out and expects full and detailed rebuttal in this format. Funny guy.
OK, you want a response to your points, here you go. I'll skip to the end, since that's the core of your argument. You say Iran is funding several organizations to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews. It is funding those organizations, but not for that purpose. It's to keep Israel and other enemies (including the United States and, until recently, most Sunni-led nations) at bay.
You say Islam wants people to see this jihad as political rather than religious. Six of one, half-dozen of the other. The Israeli government wants people to see this as religious rather than political, and maybe they really think that or they wouldn't be treating their Arab citizens as second-class, robbing them of the full rights of Jewish citizens. I used to think the "Jewish State" was just a ploy to get the diaspora and the post-millennialist evangelical Christians to lobby their governments to send weapons and money to Israel, but now I'm not so sure. Find out how Iran treats its Jewish citizens, whether there is legal discrimination against them, and get back to me.
Lastly, ancient history mixed with mythology is a poor excuse for current acts, by anyone on either side of the argument. No one knows, historically, if Jesus of Nazareth even existed or was just a myth created from a million other myths floating around at the time.
Wow—this is great. So hard to educate a fool but you took the time to try. And the last point is the most salient—all of this history he’s touting is written by Jews. It would be like listening to a Swede “prove” that England belonged to them because of Thor. Pathetic.
One can be sure that in US puppet-land Australia, we will see and hear the "unprovoked" word, ad nauseam from here on in.. Mind you, I can attest to having also witnessed the continual deaths of Palestinians since 1967 when the USS Liberty, an American vessel, was bombed by Israel with many US deaths and forgiven almost immediately by then President Lyndon Johnson. From then on, I have been an advocate for justice in Palestine, to no avail, the USA having become the murderous weapon used by Israel for the supply of weapons and funding for 55 years of inhumane occupation.
So naturally, from there feeble lips of Biden, this attack by Hamas is "unprovoked."
Hans Christian Andersen is alive and well and living in Washington.
Australia is now the epitome of US vassal states in the world, surpassing NATO as a believer in the fantasy of US democratic objectives, well rewarded for our stance on AUKUS and the contracted submarines (AU $ 360 billion, sometime in the 2040's, and counting) in return for which we enjoy the welcome presence of B-52 nuclear capable bombers in our 'top end'. Australia will promote and publish the story line that it is told to do by all the well controlled US sources of world "news", (for want of a better word), a.k.a. propaganda.
The deaths that can now be expected from Israel, adding to the daily murders of men, women and children from Palestine, will be supported by the USA. Count on it.
Just analyse the verbiage to date from the Israel -controlled USA.
A beyond outstanding commentary on the inequities extant between the terrorist Zionist entity and its every adherent and the sumud (steadfast) decades-long valiant resistance by the Palestinians. Viva Palestine! -- indeed, indeed, Viva Hamas!--the "leading edge of the Palestinian sword of resistance"!
Gaza has resources and help to improve the situation. However the Hamas dictatorship uses resources for weaponry and care 0% for the civilians behind whom they hide.
I am less surprised about the brazen management of the plandemic, Ukraine and now Israel as I am about the zombies all around me who fall for it, even when it falls apart in front of their eyes, they still believe. The management is getting more and more brazen because it keeps on and on working! I am starting to think that there is some f$ck wittery being put in the water.
If only stupid people could blame their stupidity on the water. 🤭. I’d be more inclined to blame it on all the anti-depressants doctors hand out like candy to empire members who can’t sleep (because of all the Starbucks they drink—and maybe the suspicion that just maybe they might be duped) or who have “anxiety” because they stay glued to cable news—or any of the other End of Empire psychoses that the Anglo is heir to after living so high on the hog for nearly a century while the military stole for them everything they wanted. There might be a conscience in there someplace!
Happening more and more in the UK too. People say it flattens out their emotions so they don't experience the lows but neither the highs. Relatives say they become indifferent to most stuff including things they used to be excited about.
Indeed. It was the drug of choice in the middle class at the end of the ‘50’s. So when the “good people” jumped all over the younger generation for smoking weed and taking acid, the Stones did that great song of “running for the shelter of mother’s little helper” and helped everyone give 🖕 to hypocritical authorities. Good times! 😆
Thank you - thank you. Israel has been practicing genocide on Palestinians since 1948 and even sooner. Hamas and Palestinians have solid grounds to rise up to this brutal genocide, and open air prison. The Palestinian land was stolen!
Hamas charter calls for eliminating Israel from the face of earth.
That is genocide
That's idiotic nonsense. A government is not a people, it's a conceptual construct. You can't "genocide" a conceptual construct. Saying you want the end of an apartheid state is no more "genocide" than my saying I seek the dissolution of the US-centralized empire.
Caitlin,
Though l really liked most of you writings, I am fed up by you anti Israel and antisemitic stance.
Goodbuy
Goodbuy??!! Boo to you! Hurrah, Caitlyn! Viva Palestine!!! Palestine Is Still and Will Always Be the Issue Until truth, justice, liberation and peace comes the way of Palestine and its people! Resist, Palestine!
Ellyn Harris
just now
According to this sick opinion refugee & immigration is considered “genocide“ ??
Boo to you too! Viva Palestine!
If you think criticism of the state of Israel is anti-Semitic then you believe that Israel is an ethnostate. If you believe that, then you also agree that Israel should be suppressing all other religions within that state. And you also believe that Palestinians should never hold power within that state.
Well, most of us here are trying to signal the most virtue. Logic is used in this game, but it's actually irrelevant, because the point is to win. "Winning isn't everything -- it's the only thing."
Goodbuy? Yes, that is indeed the question. Which is the better buy for the American Empire? Israel or Ukraine?
Plus it was you who just unintentionally wrote an anti-Semitic trope; not Caitlin, and not I.
There is nothing whatsoever anti-Semitic about opposing the extremist right-wing, violent, cruel and racist Israeli state.
According to this opinion if a democracy elects a government you don’t like you can oppose it , agreed but you can’t kidnap, murder and rape its citizens.
You can if you're an unelected dictatorship oppressing the population you claim to represent.
Hamas are, and always will be, a fringe lunatic terror organisation. They are dictators of Gaza by default and see death to every non-islamic person as a desirable goal - and that includes every last apologist here and elsewhere, including Caitlin!
Скатертью дорога, Валера. И впредь держи себя в руках, а то ошибки смешные делаешь. Израилю привет, жовто-блакiтному прапору не забудь отсалютовать тоже. Сам знаешь как.
A gov't is not its people. And concertgoers are not a government or a historical oppressive force or anything but kids enjoying their lives. People that would kidnap, rape, torture, and murder them are ALWAYS wrong and ALWAYS warrant severe retribution.
What makes matters worse is that these ANIMALS that kidnap, rape, torture, and murder have no protection for their own innocents. So, maybe the innocents can head to a neighboring State for refuge; alas no, none will have them because the ANIMALS have burned those neighboring states in the past when they did the humanitarian thing and accepted refugees.
The Ottomans and Germans lost WWI and lost the land - get over it. The Ottomans ddin't control that land a few hundred years earlier anyway. The 'palestinians' are not the indigenous in the region, they are historically nomads.
I realize that a couple 1,000 innocents lost is nothing to a commie-sympathizer, afterall commies have been responsible for about 100 Million deaths in their quest to give the people what they want.
You are WRONG about this, so very very WRONG, Caitlin.
Of that dissolving the patriarchy is getting rid of men and replacing them with women.
Idiotic nonsense? You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.
Here’s part of the 1988 Hamas covenant which clearly calls for the murder of the Jews:
Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
Damn right Caitie!
Ellyn Harris
just now
According to this sick opinion refugee & immigration is considered “genocide“
I would assume by "Israel" the OP means "the population and/or state of Israel." Eliminating a state usually means destroying it by force, that is, a victorious war. Given the tribalism so popular these days, that would probably mean something like what we would call genocide, just as it does when Russia or China -- or the United States -- is the presumed target.
Please don’t mistake your limited imagination/ thinking/knowledge for the truth.
No fear of that! But Truth with a capital T -- I'm sure someone around here will let me in on it one of these days, when so many are just bursting with the Truth!
^^
Listen whose talking. Our local troll goes around shitting on so many people here in the comments section, and then pretending he's not the fuckhead he/she is.
Pretty sure it's deliberate though.
Maybe someone could propose a method for removing or eliminating a state which doesn't involve war and other forms of violence?
I think Israel should be eliminated from the face of the Earth too. It was a horrible idea in ‘44 and it’s a horrible idea now. But not by genocide. Genocide is what is practiced on the Palestinians in order to create this theocratic monster. Destroy it. Send the settler land thieves back to New York, destroy the arms and nukes Washington has provided to the Zionist’s and negotiate an end to this open air prison. PLEASE!!! Hamas’s charter is not the bad guy here.
Israel wouldn't need to be eliminated, just cut off their funding and remove their weaponry. Then they would be on equal footing with their Palestinian neighbors.
Ellyn Harris
4 mins ago
According to this opinion if a democracy elects a government you don’t like you can oppose it , agreed but you can’t kidnap, murder and rape its citizens.
I can agree, certainly. But calling it Israel is like calling Rome Catholic City—It privileges one religion over another. And religions ALWAYS ago around killing each other, especially the Abrahamic religions. Palestine is a good name and puts all on an equal footing. This was meant for Marci, not Ellyn.
Ellyn Harris
4 mins ago
According to this opinion if a democracy elects a government you don’t like you can oppose it , agreed but you can’t kidnap, murder and rape its citizens.
This is genicide!
Genicide by the IDF on Gaza. For a very long time, Israel has wanted to push the Palestinians in Gaza, into the sea. Now they may try and justify their coming extermination/genicide of the Palestinians as provoked.
Hmmm, there are reports from Israeli settlers that the crossings were strangely devoid of IDF troops, very odd. But remember this border has massive monitoring systems. No movement can ever go unnoticed. IMO it was a set up. Hamas was enticed to spontaneously have a go, found almost no resistance, so went for it. And now the IDF can say it was unprovoked and smash them. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. The Palestinians have no army, no navy, no air force. It will be genocide, they will be slaughtered. Totally evil move by Israel!
I had the same reaction. Unless they know there is support coming - or they can hide millions of people from what they must know will be massive retaliation - there is something strange to this...
Which still begs the question of why the Palestinians would fall for it. But I think that is explained by a lifetime of oppression and resentment and humiliation--the frustration of not being able to do something about it boils over, it feels so good to lash out at your oppressor even if you know you can't win.
"This is genicide!" (sp)
Dupa!
No. Plenty of Jews live in other countries, especially USA where many hold dual citizenship. Jews are not the problem, the Zionist extremists are. Currently those Zio-Nazis control Israeli government.
Martin Van Creveld warned his nation about losing the moral high ground. IDF and Zionist brutality and desecration set off the Hamas counteroffensive. The Mossad and Shin Bet knew it was coming and let it happen in order to manufacture consent and unify the populace. The CIA and FBI pulled the same shit with 9/11 and I was one who fell for it when I should have known better.
You do realize that Hamas was created by Israel in the late 70s-early 80s?
And while we're at it: nothing and there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING antisemitic about what Caitlin's article described. If you choose to disarm an argument by calling someone antisemitic, you better come with the receipts.
In fact, they call for the elimination of Jewry and Christianity on a global scale. In the end, long after I am dead, Islam will reform, or the global war on the matter will be the last one.
Israelis treat Palestinians today like the German Nazis treated the Jews in the 1930's.
Zionist Neocons are Zio-Nazis. Neocons have a Nazi mindset.
Israelis are "Palestinian" too.
20% of the citizenry of Israel is Arab. None of them leave. They don't because they have security, jobs, prosperity and wealth courtesy of Israel. Those who vetoed the 2-state option and left and declared War on Israel have spent almost 3 generations learning what a bad idea it was.
Pointless nomads claiming "palestine" is their nation requires one to ignore all known history pre WWII.
Neolibs have a Nazi mindset too. We have Neocon Nazis, Neolib Nazis, Femi-Nazis and Zio-Nazis as representatives in our government. The same for the EU, Australia, South Korea and Japan.
According to this sick opinion refugee & immigration is considered “genocide “???
I’m not buying that Mossad and Shin Bet missed the build up for this attack and I am deeply suspicious that the border security was deliberately weakened to allow for an unimpeded incursion with maximum shock effect on Israel and of course the USG. Is it too far a reach to infer this will lead to aggression against Iran and by extension, further provocation and violence on Ri
Israel knows very well that the al-Aqsa mosque is red line for Muslims [1]. Actually, Hamas even warned Israel not to cross this red line exactly a week ago [2]. Yet, Israel decided to cross it just a few days ago [3]. Do you really think Mossad did not know anything? HA, HA, HA!
Of course they knew it. They just let it happen on purpose, probably to unite a country on the brink of collpsing.
I would like to remind that even the Israeli military aviation went on strike earlier this year against Benjamin Netanyahu's constitutional reform [4].
[1] https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/diplomacy/al-aqsa-mosque-turkiyes-red-line-israel-must-stop-provocations
[2] https://en.irna.ir/news/85244896/Hamas-warns-Israeli-regime-not-to-cross-al-Aqsa-redline
[3] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/4/israeli-settlers-storm-al-aqsa-mosque-complex-on-fifth-day-of-sukkot
[4] https://www.aeroflap.com.br/en/Israeli-f-15-pilots-go-on-strike-against-judicial-reform/
Wouldn’t surprise me, sadly.
They are repeating the same chapter from their playbook as they did in the US on 9/11, UK on 7/7 and and.....even the alleged COVID....Climate change and the imminent (oh FO) alien invasion..... WE CAN SEE THROUGH IT; unfortunately the dumb and ignorant masses lap it all up.
Defending the kidnapping, murder & rape of civilians?? How evil can humanity become?
Well, I see from your profile that you support "co-existencr*,, St oes that 8nclude apartheid?
Zionist and your strawmen non sequiturs.
bezoar, I think your post got cut off, you musta accidentally hit Send.
Yup.
Israel has been looking for a justifiable excuse to drive the Palestinians in Gaza, into the sea. We're about to see a genocide. To start with a massive propaganda campaign against Gaza, the circling of the wagons internationally...it was/is a set up.
Hey, if Jim Jordan says genocide is good, then genocide is good. I'm sure our Congress will fully back the nation that currently cornholes America until the cows come home.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4243796-mccarthy-on-israel-attack-this-is-their-pearl-harbor/
To think that in 2023 people still have to fight for their existence. Establishing Israel in Palestine in 1948 was a travesty, a betrayal by the British of the Palestinians. Israel has never upheld terms of the UN agreement. Instead they have been brutal toward the Palestinians, terrorizing children, murdering journalists, permanently crippling people. The Palestinians have right to protect themselves! The US gov. Officials have no conscience. Unprovoked! My ass!
Thank you for cutting to the chase!
All arabs declared war on Israel. Palestine state was rejected in favour of war iirc.
Screw the Hamas dictatorship, they have no authority other than that empowered by weaponry delivered to them by terrorist states (incl most of the West for whom I share little sympathy here)
I see the headlines this morning and my hair bristles. I look around to see if I can solve the riddle. To believe the Israelis Intel had no clue such a big attack was imminent is foolish. You don’t have all this side hustle bullshit (independent actions) and keep OPSEC.
So then the paranoia kicks in and you wonder what is really happening. That doesn’t make me schizo it makes me a critical thinker. We must never allow ourselves to fall for the lie again. It’s also important to gauge our response. Getting bogged down in conspiracy is no bueno either. Find that happy medium.
The truth will out eventually, I tell myself, optimistically.
Maybe nobody wants it.
THAKS FOR THIS POLITICIAN ! and his A: And then, of course, President Putin intervened, striking the plenary session like lightning.
This is an unofficial Top Ten of his address, before the Q&A which was characteristically engaging:
“I even suggested joining NATO for Russia. But no, NATO does not need such a country (…) Apparently, the problem is geopolitical interests and an arrogant attitude towards others.”
“We never started the so-called war in Ukraine. We are trying to end it.”
“In the international system, lawlessness reigns supreme.”
“This is not a territorial war. The issue is much broader and more fundamental: it is about the principles on which a new world order will be built.”
“The history of the West is a chronicle of endless expansion, and a huge financial pyramid.”
“A certain part of the West always needs an enemy. To preserve the internal control of their system.”
“Perhaps [the West] should check its hubris.”
“That era [of Western domination] is long gone. It’s never coming back.”
“Russia is a distinct civilization-state”.
“Our understanding of civilization is quite different. First, there are many civilizations. And none of them is better or worse than the other. They are equal, as expressions of the aspirations of their cultures, their traditions, their peoples. For each of us it is different.”
On The Road to “Asynchronous Multipolarity”
The theme of Valdai 2023 was, most appropriately, ‘Fair Multipolarity’. The key axes of discussion were presented in this provocative, detailed report. It’s as if the report had prepared the stage for Putin’s address and his carefully crafted answers to the questions from the plenary.
The concept of multipolarity in the Russian space was first articulated by the late, great Yevgeny Primakov in the mid-Nineties. Now, the road to multipolarity is based on Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s concept of “strategic patience”.
Here's his whole speech and subsequent discussion. The western fucks will of course suppress it and pretend they heard none of it.
https://www.rt.com/russia/584154-putin-valdai-club-speech/
Thanks, I got it! Read RT, ZVEZDA , RIA and......
Gaza is an open-air prison camp. This isn't a war. It is a prison riot. The Israeli guards should have expected it.
The perception management has to be this brazen this time out--the public is becoming more and more doubting and questioning as to how any of these violent conflicts are necessary let alone "provoked." The propagandists are becoming less and less imaginative in their wording and tactics. Let's not stop them as they make mistake after mistake. The illusory effect might yet be destroyed along with imperialism!
Excellent! I so agree. It’s funny how these masters of disguise can’t quite figure out that every time they false flag, people see a little more clearly what it is they are doing.
RFK Jr. was bragging that he was told to jump in a lake - which he did... What if we told him to "choke on a d..."?
Honestly, I don't care about the rest; we know they are trash.... I just expected way more from him...
Yes. Me too. I can hardly stand it that he’s caved to AIPAC.
"(U)nprovoked" is becoming hackneyed, and in this case is beyond ridiculous. I've seen photo evidence of Palestinians - children, unarmed women and men, the aged - shot by IDF from behind barbed wire. This was testified to by human rights activists and organizations. Mystifying how a stockpile of 2500 to 7000 home made missiles went undetected by one of the most sophisticated intelligence and surveillance organizations in the entire world. But they were "shocked". Well I'm a little shocked that deadly arms delivered by an advanced state that intermittently and arbitrarily kills innocents (mowing the lawn) in an open-air prison are actually more moral than amateur rockets that are far less deadly -because they are more accurate!!! It's a moral metric - and logic- I can't buy into.
Israel kills at least 12 Palestinians for every Israeli killed. It's a stat that seems to imply Israeli lives
are more valuable than Palestinian lives.
Israel is a full-blown Nazi state if we are to apply meaningful definition of Nazism. Its full support of Nazi Ukraine serves as another proof, so blatant and in your face nobody in the West notices it.
Everyone knows that the more expensive a weapon is, the more justified its use.
Yes, the smell of money is a narcotic that deadens the soul to moral/ethical considerations.
Money and profit are self-justifying, and those who have it, as Calvin and they believe, have evidence of God's blessing.
Excellent
I'm confident that our government will do everything in its power to bring this conflict to a peaceful and amicable conclusion just like they have in the Ukraine…
https://youtu.be/enXib9aU6fs?feature=shared
Hahahahaha. You’re good! 👌
President Biden, a master of statecraft and diplomacy, will have this straightened out in no time...
https://youtu.be/m9Wh66FXZJQ?feature=shared
And they keep on comin’. I need a good laugh tonight. Thank you.
You can thank the Marx Brothers who made 'Duck Soup' way back in 1933!
Nice attribution. 🫡
Sigh. I remember going to see Duck Soup at a cinema, as a kid. It was in Beirut. Sadly, within 3 years, Beirut had been engulfed by the Lebanese Civil War.
https://youtu.be/bI3QVsW30j0?feature=shared
Mostly peaceful proxy wars
As usual, defending radical Islam requires cherry picking history (a logical fallacy), as if this long-standing religious war began in 1948. This is a long discussion that goes back to the beginning of Christianity and then Islam. The Roman punishment for sedition was crucifixion. Jesus was crucified because he attacked the empire via the money lenders. In the 2nd century, Bishop Irenaeus of Lyon changed the story and blamed the Jews. If Jesus had actually committed blasphemy, he would have been stoned to death. At the same time, after another Jewish revolt against Rome was put down, Rome renamed Palestina (the Philistine states, now Gaza), Israel, and Syria as "Syria Palestina," trying to wipe Israel off the map. So, it was the Romans that renamed Israel as Palestine, not the Palestinians. In the 4th century, the lie that the Jews killed Jesus was baked into the so-called "New Testament" (another insult to the Jews, as if the Torah [Old Testament] had been replaced. This lie in the New Testament is the root cause of anti-Semitism for the past two millennia, resulting in torture, forced conversion, expulsions, asset seizures, etc. leading to the Holocaust. Islam, which sees itself as the spiritual heir to Judaism and Christianity, adopted this lie as well and had its own SS brigade (Handcar) in WWII, which rounded up Jews and others. Both Christianity and Islam are proselytizing religions that, ultimately, want everyone in the world to believe what they believe. Right now, Iran, an Islamic theocratic dictatorship is funding Hamas, Hezb'Allah, and the Islamic Jihad in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, and elsewhere, including Africa. Their goal is an Islamic super-state, including wiping Israel off the map and killing the Jews. So, all of this is a long-term religious war, which is why all the attempted solutions have never worked, because non-Jews see the situation as political, which is how Islam wants people to see this. And that is the core of their propaganda, that Israel is Palestine and that Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine. That game is over, even if the rest of the world has bought into the lie, because their belief system depends on that lie. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/origin-of-quot-palestine-quot
what a fucking load of horseshit.
Tsk tsk now. People pretending to be intellectuals and giving pedantic arguments to us all that we should just follow because they sound like a smart person might sound, take big offense at such naughty words. 🧐🤓🤔
Jeano, that was probably one of Peter's more intelligent contributions. His highly informed, (for him, I would suggest), remark strongly indicates that he is a real expert when it comes to reproductive procedures and especially, equine fecal excrement.
Hee hee hee! Love it!
Ya know, reading these “erudite” comments by Robert, it’s hard to believe that they are not a rib. A put on. Because they are so utterly stupid, so tangential to the discussion at hand and so adamantly defended that it seems like someone must be paying him to do the old equine fecal excrement act! Otherwise why come off as such a fool?
Like the excrement you posted here? Content free.
Concise, succinct, to the point, accurate. And worth a follow.
Note that the comments so far provide no data to counter what I wrote, only ad hominem; that is, logical fallacies.
The reason why is that none of this long winded “explanation” matters. Israel is a cat’s paw for the empire, fully funded by the US taxpayer and armed by Raytheon. It’s our bully boy and therefore allowed to do any damn fascist thing it wishes to. Going back to Jesus to excuse this murderous country is just hog wash.
Kennedy, Jr. thinks for himself on so many issues. How can he be so blind to Israeli antagonism and unending cruelty?
Damn, I know!!! I was so into his ideas for peace and regeneration of US ideals. This defense of Netenyahoo! is just revolting!!! Maybe he has to say this tho, to stay alive. I’m sure mussad could be sicced on him and since Asshole Joe wont give him any security as the law requires, he may be just picking his battles. Pretty sure most of the idiot middle class agree that Palestinians are bad and RFK gets to stay alive to run. Win-win! 😱
Do you take responsibility for US foreign policy? If not, then you are distinguishing between people who live in the US from those who control the country. The fact that the government of Israel is controlled by the Anglo-Euro-American banking cartel (which also controls the US, UK, EU, etc.) does not mean that everyone living their supports the cartel. Nor does this refute the historical facts that I wrote, so this part of your response is a red herring and a straw man argument (two more logical fallacies). As far as your comment regarding the history of the Levant, I can only take this to mean that you wish to pick your own date that ignores the long-standing religious war. You might note that the Islamo-fascists often attack the Jews on their religious holidays, as if to add 1400 years of insults to injury.
Bullshit. And yes, I DO take responsibility for US foreign policy. I’m a citizen. Just because it’s fashionable now for the feckless yuppies to absolve themselves of all the grotesqueries of this Empire doesn’t make recounting Israel’s barbarous history an absolution for their current genocide. Jeez!
Really, is "bullshit" the best you can do? You have not presented any facts, only your opinions. You seem to be ignoring the history of genocide against the Jews and pretending like this started in 1948 which, as I said in my initial comment, is cherry picking history to fit your belief system. After so many logical fallacies, I can see you don't really know the rules of debate; i.e., your opinions are not facts.
You sound like Butt and dementa. You both use the same arguments to try to keep a fight going. It’s boring. You’re boring. Piss off. And yes, bullshit is a perfectly good descriptive term for what is rolling out of your brain.
It would take a book to respond to every lie and phony presumption that you and your crowd have been telling for 75 years. If you want to read the book(s), you can google Norman Finklestein. For those of us who have had to put up with the crap you are parroting, “what a fucking load of horseshit” is all that is necessary, and more than it merits.
I looooove Norman. That man has really suffered for his sanity. He’s been the only one for YEARS to expose Israel in all its ugliness.
Yeah, he had that blurb stashed (and has quite a few more up his whatever, no doubt), blurts it out and expects full and detailed rebuttal in this format. Funny guy.
That was obvious from his source alone.
OK, you want a response to your points, here you go. I'll skip to the end, since that's the core of your argument. You say Iran is funding several organizations to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews. It is funding those organizations, but not for that purpose. It's to keep Israel and other enemies (including the United States and, until recently, most Sunni-led nations) at bay.
You say Islam wants people to see this jihad as political rather than religious. Six of one, half-dozen of the other. The Israeli government wants people to see this as religious rather than political, and maybe they really think that or they wouldn't be treating their Arab citizens as second-class, robbing them of the full rights of Jewish citizens. I used to think the "Jewish State" was just a ploy to get the diaspora and the post-millennialist evangelical Christians to lobby their governments to send weapons and money to Israel, but now I'm not so sure. Find out how Iran treats its Jewish citizens, whether there is legal discrimination against them, and get back to me.
Lastly, ancient history mixed with mythology is a poor excuse for current acts, by anyone on either side of the argument. No one knows, historically, if Jesus of Nazareth even existed or was just a myth created from a million other myths floating around at the time.
Wow—this is great. So hard to educate a fool but you took the time to try. And the last point is the most salient—all of this history he’s touting is written by Jews. It would be like listening to a Swede “prove” that England belonged to them because of Thor. Pathetic.
Bosh!
What an inane response but unsurprising because you can’t refute a single thing Robert said. All factually accurate.
And yet completely pointless. Sounds like a CIA pamphlet.
tl:dr
One can be sure that in US puppet-land Australia, we will see and hear the "unprovoked" word, ad nauseam from here on in.. Mind you, I can attest to having also witnessed the continual deaths of Palestinians since 1967 when the USS Liberty, an American vessel, was bombed by Israel with many US deaths and forgiven almost immediately by then President Lyndon Johnson. From then on, I have been an advocate for justice in Palestine, to no avail, the USA having become the murderous weapon used by Israel for the supply of weapons and funding for 55 years of inhumane occupation.
So naturally, from there feeble lips of Biden, this attack by Hamas is "unprovoked."
Hans Christian Andersen is alive and well and living in Washington.
Australia is now the epitome of US vassal states in the world, surpassing NATO as a believer in the fantasy of US democratic objectives, well rewarded for our stance on AUKUS and the contracted submarines (AU $ 360 billion, sometime in the 2040's, and counting) in return for which we enjoy the welcome presence of B-52 nuclear capable bombers in our 'top end'. Australia will promote and publish the story line that it is told to do by all the well controlled US sources of world "news", (for want of a better word), a.k.a. propaganda.
The deaths that can now be expected from Israel, adding to the daily murders of men, women and children from Palestine, will be supported by the USA. Count on it.
Just analyse the verbiage to date from the Israel -controlled USA.
Hypocrisy, alive and well.
So well said
A beyond outstanding commentary on the inequities extant between the terrorist Zionist entity and its every adherent and the sumud (steadfast) decades-long valiant resistance by the Palestinians. Viva Palestine! -- indeed, indeed, Viva Hamas!--the "leading edge of the Palestinian sword of resistance"!
Gaza has been a brutal concentration camp for how many decades?
Gaza has resources and help to improve the situation. However the Hamas dictatorship uses resources for weaponry and care 0% for the civilians behind whom they hide.
Our troll has reappeared... ;-))
Hamas attack – a set up ??!!
https://rumble.com/v3oewxb-the-israel-attacks-beyond-the-obvious-with-efrat-fenigson.html
I am less surprised about the brazen management of the plandemic, Ukraine and now Israel as I am about the zombies all around me who fall for it, even when it falls apart in front of their eyes, they still believe. The management is getting more and more brazen because it keeps on and on working! I am starting to think that there is some f$ck wittery being put in the water.
If only stupid people could blame their stupidity on the water. 🤭. I’d be more inclined to blame it on all the anti-depressants doctors hand out like candy to empire members who can’t sleep (because of all the Starbucks they drink—and maybe the suspicion that just maybe they might be duped) or who have “anxiety” because they stay glued to cable news—or any of the other End of Empire psychoses that the Anglo is heir to after living so high on the hog for nearly a century while the military stole for them everything they wanted. There might be a conscience in there someplace!
yes, anti-depressants gotta be part of it.
Man, they eat ‘em like candy.
Happening more and more in the UK too. People say it flattens out their emotions so they don't experience the lows but neither the highs. Relatives say they become indifferent to most stuff including things they used to be excited about.
Zombies.
Indeed. It was the drug of choice in the middle class at the end of the ‘50’s. So when the “good people” jumped all over the younger generation for smoking weed and taking acid, the Stones did that great song of “running for the shelter of mother’s little helper” and helped everyone give 🖕 to hypocritical authorities. Good times! 😆