Oh my God! These inbred vermin are the very underbelly of humanity. The absolute dregs of the Earth. I have never hated in my life before now, but I wish the most horrible deaths imaginable on these inhuman monsters in this life, not the next. The other side of this barbarity is that they are creating massive antisemitism against decent jewish people who live in the rest of the world!
Er...that would be their nuclear diapers, but even without nukes, these psychopaths rampage around the planet carrying out mass slaughter everywhere they go, as a hobby apparently.
This hatred is what ensures that the violence will not end. Don’t let them make you hate them. Hatred is easy. It’s very human. But you will use it to justify atrocities and the cycle will continue. These abhorrent activities make me sick, but the absolute worst part of it, is the monsters that will be created out of the innocent victims of these horrors. We will never light the darkness with more darkness.
The words "people," "human," and "humanity" are not to appear in the same sentence, even paragraph, with "Israel," "Israeli," "Zionist," or "Zionism." At best "existents" will apply to the latter.
The face of evil is showing itself clearly in the actions of Israel and the US. But when we respond with hatred, evil has won. Hatred is also the face of evil. Hatred is a cancer on the soul that that perpetuates itself in reactionary violence. Hatred is the cause of all this suffering. When we respond with hatred, evil has won, regardless of who ends up in the grave. Of course we must have compassion for the victims and do everything we can to help them, fight for them, bring attention to their plight. But for good/love/light to prevail, we must purge the cancer of hatred from our hearts and have compassion for the perpetrators of the violence as well. In different circumstances, that could just as well be us, as proven by our propensity to hate. It’s hard to see and to accept. It feels so righteous to hate. But they are the ultimate example of what happens when we indulge our hatred. Let that example stoke your compassion and burn the hatred from your heart lest you become that which you despise.
Nobody is born as an a-hole hater POS. They learn that hate from their parents and their media. Children in Jerusalem spitting on priests and nuns has an excuse by the Israeli government, IT IS CALLED AN ANCIENT TRADITION and will not be prosecuted.
Dealing with these monsters with compassion may be acceptable on an individual basis, but on governments relations, it only incriminating us to help Israel in any form.
there's 'don't get mad, get even'. but that is still 'calm revenge', imo (an art perfected by the powerful fashcentrists). anyways, i don't think people will be so primitive as to go find some 'jewish lambs' and gouge their eyes out. i especially expect palestinians to be more 'civilized', or better 'human', than that. nevertheless, i think there needs to be some kind of justice (not forgiveness, not a fine) for the cycle to really stop.
That growing spiral of hatred and cruelty will ultimately destroy them. Israel is already a cursed word, a synonym for evil. There is one corpse that no one will be able to return to Netanyahu: that of Israel.
No one in Israel can say “we didn’t know” savagery was unleashed upon Palestinians, torture justified in their prisons, children targeted by snipers and now this, torture of animals, to terrify Palestinians in the West Bank into abandoning their land. The message here was clear — you’re next. The land they so covet will be only produce men as depraved as they are.
In many cases, the products of the then much needed DP (Displaced Persons) establishments after WWII, then to well structured Kibbutz with clear progressive objectives, some of which are still in place today,....and have been for decades, many breeding the groups which developed into the Jewish Settlers. They were and still are, from almost every country.
The unofficial tormenters and killers of Palestinians for decades. Since WWII.
That is 80 long years, through which the Palestinian people suffered, non-stop.
Often they came from the good intentioned original Kibbutz, by this time many having turned into brain-washing institutions which then went on to support the Settlers, whose crimes over decades have made Palestinian lives so miserable as they harassed and killed, fully armed and supported per courtesy of every single Israeli government .
Known as the unofficial IDF, tolerated and encouraged by Israeli governments, still in full functioning mode. Killing people, cutting down Palestinian olive plantations, stealing cattle and sheep, burning Palestinians pastures, stealing homes, harrassing children...in fact every crime you can imagine. Now, as we have read today, gouging the eyes from baby lambs, so well described by Caitlin. The actions of the beasts that they have become. Remember the child killing snipers. It is the nature of Zionists with a government and the greatest majority of Israelis right behind them.
Yes, they have become like no other ethnic group in history, amplified through their teachings as "God's chosen people" a falsely self-promoted superior race, the very epitome of everything that is evil in a human being, in so many ways surpassing the Nazis with their decades of crimes over time.
The kibbutzes were not originally well intentioned. If one takes the position that to be ethnicity-blind is the default position then every European Jew involved was "conflicted" in some way or another, but that wasn't the default position.
There was only one faction, out of the entire group of them, that would even work with the Palestinians--and the Palestinians were treated as lesser even by them. The Jews who were not actually Zionists were still blind to their colonialism; they weren't corrupted later, they always had been.
Largely, the kibbutzes were set up as outposts of the creeping economic exclusion which the Zionists planned from the first to use as a tactic to squeeze the Palestinians out. The number of Jews who wanted to act out their attraction to Communism was very small and they never really got the concept, as it was always oriented around their Jewishness.
The kibbutzes were simply a major part of the 2nd Aliyah land grab model. Whereas South Africa imposed apartheid from the top down, the Zionists infiltrated, often illegally via overstayed religious tourist visas and the like, and then once burrowed into a location, simply refused to trade or work with any non-Jew. As they were receiving funding from Europe--an occupation of violent remittance men--they could afford to do this, whereas their presence created enormous economic dead zones and necessities-deserts--like food deserts but all encompassing--for the Palestinians in affected areas.
The kibbutzniks used communist-style social-economic notions to refer to themselves, but mostly were fascist not communist in their execution. The ones who were closer to Communism were so powerless and small, they could be excluded by the Histradut with no ill effects on the kibbutz movement overall. One delegate here, one there, was mostly the size of things. Movements any larger barely had any lifespan--months.
And btw, Yitzhak Ben-Tzvi, a major figure in the "socialist-imperialist" ethnically oriented Histradut was also very likely a Sabbatean, at least he had a book of hymns published in the 50s or thereabouts. This is possibly not a neutral position, since it's a messianic movement with ur-Zionist associations. My point is mainly that he was that from the first, so as far as his influence goes there was no late-breaking corruption of his position--it was there from the first and by extension, among all those who were fine with messianism in a supposedly materialist effort.
Their various takes on all the political forms offered by the world always seem to have a deep quality of not getting it, yet bragging about it. All except for genocidalism that is. They get that one all right.
Here is a thoughtful post among so many disturbing comments biting down on the hatred that the Zionists inherited from the Nazis, comments full of words like "subhuman" and "Satan" and "vermin"--the words used by any fascist group preparing to commit crimes against another. If we want to get away from such atrocities, we need to resist this temptation to feed the Othering impulse which is, I believe, hardwired in humans...but which we can set aside. Israel is what it is--an almost uniquely vicious society--because it didn't spring from the ground like Nazi Germany did. People CHOSE to go to Israel from all over the world, mostly because they thought it a place of safety for Jews, but as it became a murderous, racist, apartheid state, I'm sure there has been a steady exodus of Jews who couldn't stomach that--the people who could have, perhaps, pulled Israel in a better direction had they stayed (but maybe were always too few).
You're exactly right. It didn't spring up in place vicious and the moderating influence of people who would say "no" was really not there.
I guess to the extent the Zionists succeeded in forcing post-war Jews to go to Palestine, or stay there when they wanted to return to their homes, those people could have been moderating influences, if they'd been able to get any traction. I don't think they were able to, though.
But, the Zionists had a habit of assassinating even the Jews who disagreed with them. That subculture of Jewry has been completely out of control since their inception. I really don't understand it. I'm trying to.
I would imagine that if anything, it was the "moderating" influences of those uncertain Jews, who were the reason that Labour Zionism had a 29 year run, which has never repeated itself since then. The hardest-core Zionists had been hard at work from 1948 into the present day, working on shifting ideology, and I would say, punishing deviants, in some way or another.
There was the assassination of Rabin, for example, and one of those who threatened him that it was coming is now in office.
I would say it's really not like how Americans think of themselves, having been much more individualistic all along. I think it's probably not like most European cultures although Europeans would be the best judges.
The fact that the post-IDF service backpacking trip is a social norm, strong enough that the early 20s Israelis who didn't do it would be viewed askance... that seems very odd to me. I did wonder when I read it, if that's why so many of them don't seem to be having fun on their contemptuous jaunts through the beach towns of the world...
There are a few ex-Zionists here on substack, for which I'm so grateful. They give some insights into the Israeli culture which are so valuable. The Israeli culture is extremely different from the rest of ours, which can be seen from the outside if we look without assuming that it is like ours--and on top of that, there are aspects to it we wouldn't even know to expect, and might miss, if we don't know what we're looking at.
When we assume their culture is like ours, it's to their advantage, and definitely not to ours.
I have a friend who spent two years living in a socialist kibbutz in northern Israel back in the late 1960s. He and his fellow kibbutzniks were naive and “high-minded” and sincerely believed in the importance of building a safe homeland for all Jews. They had been thoroughly indoctrinated regarding the founding of the State of Israel and knew little, if anything, of the Nakba.
I present this story only to bring up my friend’s recollection of cordial relations between his kibbutz and neighboring Palestinian villages. It’s not as though they were good pals, but there was no great hostility or violence directed against the Palestinians. The comparison of those Jewish settlers with the settlers of today is stark. The latter are religious cultists who are held under the sway of wicked, vicious rabbis and other extreme nationalist leaders. They are filled with pious hatred of the “Other.”
As for my friend, he likes to reminisce about the “good old days,” but he is deeply saddened and horrified by what Israel has become. It’s hard for him to accept that his idealism was built on a fantasy.
Yes the 60s were a special moment which included some deliberate high minded efforts. Your friend might possibly have been in one of the few kibbutzes trying to do a communal thing that sort of attempted to fulfill the unmet "promise" that was, to my understanding sort of carried in an idealistic line from those shreds ( dozens-hundreds) of yearning-towards-Communism 1920s-30s individuals, like a wavering poorly understood flame, to the hippies of the 60s. But I have read that even among those groups there were lines that couldn't be crossed. An intermarriage produced a shunning breach that didn't naturally heal, and the Arab workers who came to stay and work the kibbutzes realized after going away then coming back, they were given the shit jobs. I will see if I can find what I was reading. One item I am pretty sure I can't, because it was a lengthy UC Berkeley text, which I think they didn't know was fully online until I started reading and sharing it. It was a history of their initial attempts.
But there are other reports from the field, more accessible, from the hippies era.
Do you remember anything more about your friend's experience? Any telling details?
Kibbutz Kerem Shalom for example was a "hotbed" of leftist protest per one Avihu Ronen but people within movements often overrepresent their ability to influence the mass culture.... Sometimes they are able to, of course.
The name of the kibbutz or its component parts can be instructive. The ones named "Nahal" were founded as military outposts. IIrc those had a different (less looked down on) status than the idealistic peacenik ones, which I get the impression were about as important as Amish communities are today: useful for PR but not super influential.
About 15 years ago there were 125K kibbutzim in Israel--just not a cultural or electoral heavyweight though definitely part of the creation myth. Which as you mention is taught internally as well as used externally for image management.
I think there is not really a surprise that an "ethnic" monoculture would have ended up the only "successful" example of the socialistic commune, even though it was part of sn overall fascist society--or maybe because of that. The web that supports an enclave is part of its protective envelope, after all. And Marx pointed to this in his letter about the Irish laborer effect on English wages.
The idea that socialism can work, or would work well without solving other external factors first, in an open borders situation isn't really part of his thinking to my understanding. It's ironic in a way, because of course the preconditions for these kibbutzes are an absolutely horrific paring away of all "externalities" (I mean, the existence of non-Jews, who naturally have their own interests that do not subordinate to Jewish interests) that could cause the kibbutz itself to fail. My point is merely no matter what your friend's kibbutz was getting up to internally, it was doing do in a protective framework that isolated it from the pressures that would be experienced if they tried it in, say, Iowa or Louisiana. That said, I am super interested in the details of their granular or regional experience, anything more that you can remember and would be ok sharing.
The human experience is rarely simple, except when it's an experience of zealotry, and even some of those caught up in the wider effects of zealotry can manage to have morally mixed or otherwise confused and heterogeneous experiences.
i've read about those 'nahal-outposts' in a context of being actually used for the slow infiltration an appropriation of palestinian lands being somewhat inspired by the 'settling' of the west in the us. it's a pity the hippies didn't see more openness to the palestinian natives and their culture as part the idealistic approach.
"After the Six Day War, it was the IDF that led the process of
Jewish settlement in the territories occupied during the war. It did so at first in the form of Nahal “outposts” in the Jordan Valley, the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip, and the Sinai Peninsula (of 59 Nahal outposts, four were within the Green Line), initially in defense of the settlements in these areas, and later as an operational arm of the policy of displacing Palestinians in favor of Jewish settlement. This stabilized and reinforced the settlement enterprise and transformed the military frontier across the 1967 borders into territory linked to the State of Israel in all ways and walks of life."
And here's the full length publication, 100-odd pages.
Note: The URLs are currently active so, if the archive doesn't fully load on a phone, try the original URLs which are at the top of the archive page.
This security analysis doesn't even go into the whole history, which is that the kibbutzes could be established for military reasons, even before the post-Six Day War expansion of the concept. There were types, and Nahal was one type.
This history is so incredibly opposite of the "Palestinians attacked leftist peace loving kibbutzers" stuff.
Also, the full length INSS document talks about how the kibbutzers had the same motivation to serve in the IDF as society in general, even in the 60s and 70s. I think I have read that to the extent a leftish kibbutz was averse to militarism, they would have been balanced out by these super militaristic "frontier" type kibbutzes.
Because in the last 40 years, the "charities" and aid groups, and intl human rights orgs, have all been taken over and used as cash-cows for the children of the ruling elites.
All, or nearly all, are now just political fronts, rather than doing what they were originally supposed to do.
You make a donation to these fuckin groups and get back a bunch of useless trinkets instead of them using your hard-earned contribution for what it was intended. And endless pleas to donate, donate, donate MORE!
I want a Palestine is Palestine Again Calender, & cards. Mail them to me to donate! We get almost 10 mailings a week. Peta has a kill shelter. Meat is Murder. Kill a vegetable. Free Palestine. Vote Cheney/Thiel 2025 !
another controversy in gaza concerning animals: the 'evacuation' (or kidnapping?) of donkeys from gaza in the name of animal welfare ('starting over sanctuary').
I don't know about that, but I recently had the bad experience of watching the current head of Human Rights Watch in a discussion with Professor Mearsheimer. Now, I have my differences with the prof, and "Realism" in IntRel too, but compared to that useless prick he was gold.
Everything was Russia's fault, Putin is evil-personified, etc etc etc.
You'd literally be likely to get a more balanced view from Faux.
And it's all of them. The "charities" have always been a middle/upper middle junket, but now it's off the scale.
None of the money arrives where it should, or a fraction of 1% in the rare occasions some "trickles down" past the admin fees, corporate fees, corporate fundraising fees, and exec salaries.
You have no idea what I may or may not have done on this issue. Please don’t assume. It doesn’t help the cause. And forgive me for having missed your bringing this matter up day after day. In fact, this is the first time I’ve seen you mention this, and in a response to my having brought it up. “Where you been”?
I have brought up time after time the subject of kikes firing their tanks on horses in Gaza, and if you didn’t see it, Joy, you weren’t payin attention.
What I think is there needs to be a concerted campaign to make this a wider-known issue, and to call on, or call out, such animal rights organizations as PETA, and WWF. Maybe a new petition, for whatever value petitions might have. I think at minimum they call the issue to the attention of those who might be unaware, and reinforces the intentions of those who are. What suggestions do you have to make this issue get more traction? What do you think?
This only shows the world that there are no boundaries they won't cross to get their way. And the worst part, they won't be held accountable. The state of Israel and it's government officials may someday, much like Serbia and others, but for these settlers, nothing. Videos can be posted all day long but they're largely meaningless for anyone who could do anything about this. The fact that they got away with this, means it will happen again, and again, and again.
Early on I asked PETA why they were asking for animals be protected in Gaza and not arguing instead for a cease-fire. They actually countered directly to me that Palestinians don't treat their animals well. I'm a vegan. That means care for all sentient beings. That includes humans. PETA is hypocritical. I will never trust them again.
They had a choice between calling for a cease-fire that would save all lives and calling for animal protection that would save animal lives. They chose domestic animal protection instead. I think they may be enthralled by Israel's high rate of veganism, which means in Israel they won't kill animals, but they will kill Palestinians. That tells a lot about Israeli mindset.
The lamb is a symbol of Jesus Christ, as in 'The Lamb of God'. Perhaps they're showing us that they are ready to wage war on any (to them) heretical off-shoot of their grate religion?
I wonder what our Christian diplomat, Mike Huckabee, has to say about this and the arrest of the official who exposed the rape of the Palestinian boy in the Israeli prison?
These monsters in human flesh suits also destroyed decades old olive trees on Palestinian land, sacred groves of olives, one of the best human foods in the world. Olive trees.
Like whitey killed off most of the buffalo on the plains of Turtle Island to decimate the Indians primary food source.
The parallels between these slaughters are plain to see.
And yes factory farming needs to stop. It’s horrific in both animal and vegetables. The factory farming treat animals horribly and the last acre of vegetation is a blood bath. The little animals have no where to go. So cruel. So sad
No, Gypsy. As mentioned above, Deano was talking about Caitlin's reference to factory famrs which, for example, supply 99% of the meat in the US. Not to the Palestinian sheep.
I have not written in a long time. After awhile, there just does not seem to be any words . Tonight this one, the little lambs, just broke me. Evvery day that we see the children, the men , women in Gaza breaks my heart. But these animals..like you said..they do not know that they are "Palestinian lambs" ..how can this stop? My whole being is sick, my throat tight, my gut aches. Gabor Mate is doing a lot of pod casts etc to help with the pain, trauma people are living with. And, it is nothing compared to what is happening in Israel. I never used the word hate towards anyone..but the Israeli government, people are doing it to themselves. It is so sick, so backwords...just how can humanity survive this? The world seems to be waking up? but I am not sure and it is sure not fast enough! The leaders in the world..many of them are simply very sick, disgusting people...how can we let this happen? And, it almost feels like a virus...there is a lot going on all over the world .So much unrest. There is so much good that we can do as humans...but right now, aren't people afraid of speaking up? they will just disappear, or lose their jobs, their homes, everything ? I cannot believe the state of the world and to think that one tiny country is ruling the world.. disgusting. I am so ashamed, sad..
Israel has demonstrated since the first day of its existence (and Zionism demonstrated before that) that there will never be enough. Today Palestine, then Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt until Eretz Israel. But that will not satisfy the lust, so they will go on to other wars, other genocides. Israel will not collapse on its own. At some point the world’s nations will have to do away with it. The west has created an uncontrollable, insatiable monster.
That's right, Ron...even the entire world could not contain their psychopathic ambition. How about the universe? No, it would be dwarfed by their chutzpah. Then again, it is supposed to be expanding at the speed of light, according to their manufactured "genius", the ultra-Zionist plagiarist Einstein, whose theories have been debunked (see Christopher Jon Bjerknes's "The Manufacture and Sale of St Einstein"), but no, that would still not be enough.
It’s not only the West, Ron, it’s the species. We’ve been at war with each other from the day we began to walk on two legs… and the core hasn’t changed.
All my life I've been told about 'free will'. That never made sense to me. I think that was a lie told by people who didn't have the answer as to why humans were/are so evil. I think whoever created us left something out. Or put something in? I don't know and most likely never will get a decent answer.
Not true. I suppose there have always been little wars, but some cultures went long periods of time without war. It's NOT human nature. It's the unfortunate result of the fact that a culture based on war, domination and expansion, will try to take over more territory and will usually succeed, as neighboring peaceful groups are unlikely to prevail.
“It’s not human nature” Darwin showed that in nature, it’s a Survival of the fittest arena. If humans are part of nature, then we also live according to nature’s laws. Darwin named the condition as Natural Selection.
I think he was right. The weak do not dominate, the strong do, and we are just another part of that pie.
Some have said that we are our own worst enemy, and if nuclear arsenals don’t attest that assumption, then I’m all ears.
My point is that if we recognize our weakness.. I.e., ‘Too much of a good thing is no more good’, then maybe we can do something about it….?
As Darwin himself said, and others have since demonstrated, natural selection operates on competition AND COOPERATION. Predation and symbiosis. Human nature does not necessarily condemn us to kill ourselves off--but we probably will because no one has ever found a solution to the problem of aggressive, expansionary cultures based on domination. Even if another culture wins a war against such a people, it wins only by becoming aggressive and good at violence itself. On the individual level, sociopaths try to dominate their own societies, and within small tribes they generally fail. But in mass, anonymous society they often enough win--massively aided by the fact that wise, psychologically healthy people don't want and don't seek power.
On wisdom and cooperation….!is it wise for example to build
Nuclear arsenals as a scare tactic to prevent enemies from attacking the tribes, and does it not take cooperation to build such weapons?
If our evolution depended on the same survival agendas faced by all species, then seeing the forest for the trees would seem like a good start to digress from a fate of extinction.
Recognizing an enemy is the first step towards self/preservation, and having recognized the enemy, ourselves in this case, would help determine outcomes other than self-destruction.
Don’t we need to recognize a problem before we can try to avoid it? Recognizing that human cooperation and wisdom also leads to nuclear arsenals is in and of itself an evolution of intelligence is it not?
We need to create sn evolution outside the parameters of nature and create an evolution that will transcend the one we were saddled with, and perhaps lead to a new state of wisdom.
More important than ever! The work that the Hind Rajab Foundation is doing will continue to be vital in tracking down, and bringing the culprits to justice. This is ongoing and something we should support, irrespective of any ‘ceasefire.’
Oh my God! These inbred vermin are the very underbelly of humanity. The absolute dregs of the Earth. I have never hated in my life before now, but I wish the most horrible deaths imaginable on these inhuman monsters in this life, not the next. The other side of this barbarity is that they are creating massive antisemitism against decent jewish people who live in the rest of the world!
I hate USrael with all my being!
I fear them as well as hating them.
What’s to fear about a Diaper Brigade, David?
Er...that would be their nuclear diapers, but even without nukes, these psychopaths rampage around the planet carrying out mass slaughter everywhere they go, as a hobby apparently.
Hi David,
Luckily here in Amerikkkaa we get to own Things That Go Bang.
And I’ve got plenty 😁
This hatred is what ensures that the violence will not end. Don’t let them make you hate them. Hatred is easy. It’s very human. But you will use it to justify atrocities and the cycle will continue. These abhorrent activities make me sick, but the absolute worst part of it, is the monsters that will be created out of the innocent victims of these horrors. We will never light the darkness with more darkness.
My hatred is not directed at people, but at the criminal way in which some act and the doctrines and institutions that encourage their crimes.
I just want them to go away and never be seen or heard from again.
The words "people," "human," and "humanity" are not to appear in the same sentence, even paragraph, with "Israel," "Israeli," "Zionist," or "Zionism." At best "existents" will apply to the latter.
unfortunately, dehumanizing the "enemy" is a key to Nazi ideology, including its offshoot of Zionism. It's tempting, but should be rejected.
They are very human.
Yes they are, Feral. 🤬
The face of evil is showing itself clearly in the actions of Israel and the US. But when we respond with hatred, evil has won. Hatred is also the face of evil. Hatred is a cancer on the soul that that perpetuates itself in reactionary violence. Hatred is the cause of all this suffering. When we respond with hatred, evil has won, regardless of who ends up in the grave. Of course we must have compassion for the victims and do everything we can to help them, fight for them, bring attention to their plight. But for good/love/light to prevail, we must purge the cancer of hatred from our hearts and have compassion for the perpetrators of the violence as well. In different circumstances, that could just as well be us, as proven by our propensity to hate. It’s hard to see and to accept. It feels so righteous to hate. But they are the ultimate example of what happens when we indulge our hatred. Let that example stoke your compassion and burn the hatred from your heart lest you become that which you despise.
Nobody is born as an a-hole hater POS. They learn that hate from their parents and their media. Children in Jerusalem spitting on priests and nuns has an excuse by the Israeli government, IT IS CALLED AN ANCIENT TRADITION and will not be prosecuted.
Dealing with these monsters with compassion may be acceptable on an individual basis, but on governments relations, it only incriminating us to help Israel in any form.
there's 'don't get mad, get even'. but that is still 'calm revenge', imo (an art perfected by the powerful fashcentrists). anyways, i don't think people will be so primitive as to go find some 'jewish lambs' and gouge their eyes out. i especially expect palestinians to be more 'civilized', or better 'human', than that. nevertheless, i think there needs to be some kind of justice (not forgiveness, not a fine) for the cycle to really stop.
Can't argue with any of this. These zionists are lower than pond scum.
That growing spiral of hatred and cruelty will ultimately destroy them. Israel is already a cursed word, a synonym for evil. There is one corpse that no one will be able to return to Netanyahu: that of Israel.
No one in Israel can say “we didn’t know” savagery was unleashed upon Palestinians, torture justified in their prisons, children targeted by snipers and now this, torture of animals, to terrify Palestinians in the West Bank into abandoning their land. The message here was clear — you’re next. The land they so covet will be only produce men as depraved as they are.
…and their WOMEN, too…not only men
And if Palestinians do leave, these murde rous thugs will kill each other because that is all they have in their twisted nature.
One can hope, Davina! 👍👍👍
The settlers are criminals.! They are despicable monsters and as hateful as anyone you can imagine..
The Settlers, Gerda.
In many cases, the products of the then much needed DP (Displaced Persons) establishments after WWII, then to well structured Kibbutz with clear progressive objectives, some of which are still in place today,....and have been for decades, many breeding the groups which developed into the Jewish Settlers. They were and still are, from almost every country.
The unofficial tormenters and killers of Palestinians for decades. Since WWII.
That is 80 long years, through which the Palestinian people suffered, non-stop.
Often they came from the good intentioned original Kibbutz, by this time many having turned into brain-washing institutions which then went on to support the Settlers, whose crimes over decades have made Palestinian lives so miserable as they harassed and killed, fully armed and supported per courtesy of every single Israeli government .
Known as the unofficial IDF, tolerated and encouraged by Israeli governments, still in full functioning mode. Killing people, cutting down Palestinian olive plantations, stealing cattle and sheep, burning Palestinians pastures, stealing homes, harrassing children...in fact every crime you can imagine. Now, as we have read today, gouging the eyes from baby lambs, so well described by Caitlin. The actions of the beasts that they have become. Remember the child killing snipers. It is the nature of Zionists with a government and the greatest majority of Israelis right behind them.
Yes, they have become like no other ethnic group in history, amplified through their teachings as "God's chosen people" a falsely self-promoted superior race, the very epitome of everything that is evil in a human being, in so many ways surpassing the Nazis with their decades of crimes over time.
The kibbutzes were not originally well intentioned. If one takes the position that to be ethnicity-blind is the default position then every European Jew involved was "conflicted" in some way or another, but that wasn't the default position.
There was only one faction, out of the entire group of them, that would even work with the Palestinians--and the Palestinians were treated as lesser even by them. The Jews who were not actually Zionists were still blind to their colonialism; they weren't corrupted later, they always had been.
Largely, the kibbutzes were set up as outposts of the creeping economic exclusion which the Zionists planned from the first to use as a tactic to squeeze the Palestinians out. The number of Jews who wanted to act out their attraction to Communism was very small and they never really got the concept, as it was always oriented around their Jewishness.
The kibbutzes were simply a major part of the 2nd Aliyah land grab model. Whereas South Africa imposed apartheid from the top down, the Zionists infiltrated, often illegally via overstayed religious tourist visas and the like, and then once burrowed into a location, simply refused to trade or work with any non-Jew. As they were receiving funding from Europe--an occupation of violent remittance men--they could afford to do this, whereas their presence created enormous economic dead zones and necessities-deserts--like food deserts but all encompassing--for the Palestinians in affected areas.
The kibbutzniks used communist-style social-economic notions to refer to themselves, but mostly were fascist not communist in their execution. The ones who were closer to Communism were so powerless and small, they could be excluded by the Histradut with no ill effects on the kibbutz movement overall. One delegate here, one there, was mostly the size of things. Movements any larger barely had any lifespan--months.
And btw, Yitzhak Ben-Tzvi, a major figure in the "socialist-imperialist" ethnically oriented Histradut was also very likely a Sabbatean, at least he had a book of hymns published in the 50s or thereabouts. This is possibly not a neutral position, since it's a messianic movement with ur-Zionist associations. My point is mainly that he was that from the first, so as far as his influence goes there was no late-breaking corruption of his position--it was there from the first and by extension, among all those who were fine with messianism in a supposedly materialist effort.
Their various takes on all the political forms offered by the world always seem to have a deep quality of not getting it, yet bragging about it. All except for genocidalism that is. They get that one all right.
Here is a thoughtful post among so many disturbing comments biting down on the hatred that the Zionists inherited from the Nazis, comments full of words like "subhuman" and "Satan" and "vermin"--the words used by any fascist group preparing to commit crimes against another. If we want to get away from such atrocities, we need to resist this temptation to feed the Othering impulse which is, I believe, hardwired in humans...but which we can set aside. Israel is what it is--an almost uniquely vicious society--because it didn't spring from the ground like Nazi Germany did. People CHOSE to go to Israel from all over the world, mostly because they thought it a place of safety for Jews, but as it became a murderous, racist, apartheid state, I'm sure there has been a steady exodus of Jews who couldn't stomach that--the people who could have, perhaps, pulled Israel in a better direction had they stayed (but maybe were always too few).
You're exactly right. It didn't spring up in place vicious and the moderating influence of people who would say "no" was really not there.
I guess to the extent the Zionists succeeded in forcing post-war Jews to go to Palestine, or stay there when they wanted to return to their homes, those people could have been moderating influences, if they'd been able to get any traction. I don't think they were able to, though.
But, the Zionists had a habit of assassinating even the Jews who disagreed with them. That subculture of Jewry has been completely out of control since their inception. I really don't understand it. I'm trying to.
I would imagine that if anything, it was the "moderating" influences of those uncertain Jews, who were the reason that Labour Zionism had a 29 year run, which has never repeated itself since then. The hardest-core Zionists had been hard at work from 1948 into the present day, working on shifting ideology, and I would say, punishing deviants, in some way or another.
There was the assassination of Rabin, for example, and one of those who threatened him that it was coming is now in office.
Social norming is incredibly strong in Israel.
There is an INSS analysis of the "people's army" as a centerpiece of Israeli society, and the 4th chapter talks about this normative susceptibility. https://web.archive.org/web/20201030105332/https://ethz.ch/content/dam/ethz/special-interest/gess/cis/center-for-securities-studies/resources/docs/INSS%20memo159.pdf
I would say it's really not like how Americans think of themselves, having been much more individualistic all along. I think it's probably not like most European cultures although Europeans would be the best judges.
The fact that the post-IDF service backpacking trip is a social norm, strong enough that the early 20s Israelis who didn't do it would be viewed askance... that seems very odd to me. I did wonder when I read it, if that's why so many of them don't seem to be having fun on their contemptuous jaunts through the beach towns of the world...
There are a few ex-Zionists here on substack, for which I'm so grateful. They give some insights into the Israeli culture which are so valuable. The Israeli culture is extremely different from the rest of ours, which can be seen from the outside if we look without assuming that it is like ours--and on top of that, there are aspects to it we wouldn't even know to expect, and might miss, if we don't know what we're looking at.
When we assume their culture is like ours, it's to their advantage, and definitely not to ours.
I have a friend who spent two years living in a socialist kibbutz in northern Israel back in the late 1960s. He and his fellow kibbutzniks were naive and “high-minded” and sincerely believed in the importance of building a safe homeland for all Jews. They had been thoroughly indoctrinated regarding the founding of the State of Israel and knew little, if anything, of the Nakba.
I present this story only to bring up my friend’s recollection of cordial relations between his kibbutz and neighboring Palestinian villages. It’s not as though they were good pals, but there was no great hostility or violence directed against the Palestinians. The comparison of those Jewish settlers with the settlers of today is stark. The latter are religious cultists who are held under the sway of wicked, vicious rabbis and other extreme nationalist leaders. They are filled with pious hatred of the “Other.”
As for my friend, he likes to reminisce about the “good old days,” but he is deeply saddened and horrified by what Israel has become. It’s hard for him to accept that his idealism was built on a fantasy.
Yes the 60s were a special moment which included some deliberate high minded efforts. Your friend might possibly have been in one of the few kibbutzes trying to do a communal thing that sort of attempted to fulfill the unmet "promise" that was, to my understanding sort of carried in an idealistic line from those shreds ( dozens-hundreds) of yearning-towards-Communism 1920s-30s individuals, like a wavering poorly understood flame, to the hippies of the 60s. But I have read that even among those groups there were lines that couldn't be crossed. An intermarriage produced a shunning breach that didn't naturally heal, and the Arab workers who came to stay and work the kibbutzes realized after going away then coming back, they were given the shit jobs. I will see if I can find what I was reading. One item I am pretty sure I can't, because it was a lengthy UC Berkeley text, which I think they didn't know was fully online until I started reading and sharing it. It was a history of their initial attempts.
But there are other reports from the field, more accessible, from the hippies era.
Do you remember anything more about your friend's experience? Any telling details?
Kibbutz Kerem Shalom for example was a "hotbed" of leftist protest per one Avihu Ronen but people within movements often overrepresent their ability to influence the mass culture.... Sometimes they are able to, of course.
The name of the kibbutz or its component parts can be instructive. The ones named "Nahal" were founded as military outposts. IIrc those had a different (less looked down on) status than the idealistic peacenik ones, which I get the impression were about as important as Amish communities are today: useful for PR but not super influential.
About 15 years ago there were 125K kibbutzim in Israel--just not a cultural or electoral heavyweight though definitely part of the creation myth. Which as you mention is taught internally as well as used externally for image management.
I think there is not really a surprise that an "ethnic" monoculture would have ended up the only "successful" example of the socialistic commune, even though it was part of sn overall fascist society--or maybe because of that. The web that supports an enclave is part of its protective envelope, after all. And Marx pointed to this in his letter about the Irish laborer effect on English wages.
The idea that socialism can work, or would work well without solving other external factors first, in an open borders situation isn't really part of his thinking to my understanding. It's ironic in a way, because of course the preconditions for these kibbutzes are an absolutely horrific paring away of all "externalities" (I mean, the existence of non-Jews, who naturally have their own interests that do not subordinate to Jewish interests) that could cause the kibbutz itself to fail. My point is merely no matter what your friend's kibbutz was getting up to internally, it was doing do in a protective framework that isolated it from the pressures that would be experienced if they tried it in, say, Iowa or Louisiana. That said, I am super interested in the details of their granular or regional experience, anything more that you can remember and would be ok sharing.
The human experience is rarely simple, except when it's an experience of zealotry, and even some of those caught up in the wider effects of zealotry can manage to have morally mixed or otherwise confused and heterogeneous experiences.
i've read about those 'nahal-outposts' in a context of being actually used for the slow infiltration an appropriation of palestinian lands being somewhat inspired by the 'settling' of the west in the us. it's a pity the hippies didn't see more openness to the palestinian natives and their culture as part the idealistic approach.
Yes! I have read that too. Specifically in a 2016 INSS analysis of their "people's army" and its place in society. I put some links below.
It really is a pity. I think that people who saw it that way avoided the Zionist movement altogether.
Here is a link to the specific chapter of the INSS analysis, Ch. 3, by Dov Tamari:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230802144958/https://www.inss.org.il/wp-content/uploads/systemfiles/memo159.03Tamari.pdf
"After the Six Day War, it was the IDF that led the process of
Jewish settlement in the territories occupied during the war. It did so at first in the form of Nahal “outposts” in the Jordan Valley, the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip, and the Sinai Peninsula (of 59 Nahal outposts, four were within the Green Line), initially in defense of the settlements in these areas, and later as an operational arm of the policy of displacing Palestinians in favor of Jewish settlement. This stabilized and reinforced the settlement enterprise and transformed the military frontier across the 1967 borders into territory linked to the State of Israel in all ways and walks of life."
And here's the full length publication, 100-odd pages.
Note: The URLs are currently active so, if the archive doesn't fully load on a phone, try the original URLs which are at the top of the archive page.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201030105332/https://ethz.ch/content/dam/ethz/special-interest/gess/cis/center-for-securities-studies/resources/docs/INSS%20memo159.pdf
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This security analysis doesn't even go into the whole history, which is that the kibbutzes could be established for military reasons, even before the post-Six Day War expansion of the concept. There were types, and Nahal was one type.
Nahal Oz, of Oct 7 fame, was established in 1953. It did convert to a more dedicated agricultural purpose later, but its purpose was described in 1955 as being to "teach the Arabs there is a border" https://www.nytimes.com/1955/08/28/archives/israeli-settlers-grow-with-town-nahal-oz-founded-in-1953-has.html
This history is so incredibly opposite of the "Palestinians attacked leftist peace loving kibbutzers" stuff.
Also, the full length INSS document talks about how the kibbutzers had the same motivation to serve in the IDF as society in general, even in the 60s and 70s. I think I have read that to the extent a leftish kibbutz was averse to militarism, they would have been balanced out by these super militaristic "frontier" type kibbutzes.
Gerda:
SQUATTERS. Not settlers.
Horrible monsters with no souls.If there is a hell, I hope they burn forever.
Satan lives deep inside these subhumans.
I donate to quite a few animal rights organizations. Why aren’t they speaking out about this atrocity??
Because in the last 40 years, the "charities" and aid groups, and intl human rights orgs, have all been taken over and used as cash-cows for the children of the ruling elites.
All, or nearly all, are now just political fronts, rather than doing what they were originally supposed to do.
Hi Gnuneo
Absolute correct.
You make a donation to these fuckin groups and get back a bunch of useless trinkets instead of them using your hard-earned contribution for what it was intended. And endless pleas to donate, donate, donate MORE!
Fuck that shit.
I want a Palestine is Palestine Again Calender, & cards. Mail them to me to donate! We get almost 10 mailings a week. Peta has a kill shelter. Meat is Murder. Kill a vegetable. Free Palestine. Vote Cheney/Thiel 2025 !
another controversy in gaza concerning animals: the 'evacuation' (or kidnapping?) of donkeys from gaza in the name of animal welfare ('starting over sanctuary').
Had a friend in DC that was worth millions who was put in a huge National position. Greenpeace lost millions in the Commodites market I heard.
I don't know about that, but I recently had the bad experience of watching the current head of Human Rights Watch in a discussion with Professor Mearsheimer. Now, I have my differences with the prof, and "Realism" in IntRel too, but compared to that useless prick he was gold.
Everything was Russia's fault, Putin is evil-personified, etc etc etc.
You'd literally be likely to get a more balanced view from Faux.
And it's all of them. The "charities" have always been a middle/upper middle junket, but now it's off the scale.
None of the money arrives where it should, or a fraction of 1% in the rare occasions some "trickles down" past the admin fees, corporate fees, corporate fundraising fees, and exec salaries.
Faux News. Remember The 5th of November. D.C.
Because you’re not TELLING THEM TO, Joy.
I cancelled my donations to all animals welfare/rights orgs and you can bet yer ass I told ‘em the reason.
It’s not just lambs either. It’s peoples’ pets as well and I’ve seen several videos of kike tanks firing on HORSES in Gaza!
Where you been, huh Joy?
(And if anyone here don’t like my slur, fuck y’all.)
They never mention animals in Palestine. I mail the envelopes back to them with What about animals in Gaza/Palestine?
Chuck, great idea! And stuff those envelopes with junk mail too, so they have to pay the return postage 😁
I return D and R soliciting envelopes with Palestine messages too.
You have no idea what I may or may not have done on this issue. Please don’t assume. It doesn’t help the cause. And forgive me for having missed your bringing this matter up day after day. In fact, this is the first time I’ve seen you mention this, and in a response to my having brought it up. “Where you been”?
I have brought up time after time the subject of kikes firing their tanks on horses in Gaza, and if you didn’t see it, Joy, you weren’t payin attention.
Control the narrative. One State Palestine. Help Wanted from all.
What I think is there needs to be a concerted campaign to make this a wider-known issue, and to call on, or call out, such animal rights organizations as PETA, and WWF. Maybe a new petition, for whatever value petitions might have. I think at minimum they call the issue to the attention of those who might be unaware, and reinforces the intentions of those who are. What suggestions do you have to make this issue get more traction? What do you think?
Educate Organize Agitate. Shut it down. TY all. Learn & teach 4 peas & Justice
Joy, if I had a dime for every petition I ever signed that went nowhere, I’d be rich as Croesus…
This only shows the world that there are no boundaries they won't cross to get their way. And the worst part, they won't be held accountable. The state of Israel and it's government officials may someday, much like Serbia and others, but for these settlers, nothing. Videos can be posted all day long but they're largely meaningless for anyone who could do anything about this. The fact that they got away with this, means it will happen again, and again, and again.
Early on I asked PETA why they were asking for animals be protected in Gaza and not arguing instead for a cease-fire. They actually countered directly to me that Palestinians don't treat their animals well. I'm a vegan. That means care for all sentient beings. That includes humans. PETA is hypocritical. I will never trust them again.
Even they hate Palestinians. Amazing!
They had a choice between calling for a cease-fire that would save all lives and calling for animal protection that would save animal lives. They chose domestic animal protection instead. I think they may be enthralled by Israel's high rate of veganism, which means in Israel they won't kill animals, but they will kill Palestinians. That tells a lot about Israeli mindset.
No, PETA knows where the power lies and this is a fight they don't want to get in.
And that tells a lot about PETA's mindset.
The lamb is a symbol of Jesus Christ, as in 'The Lamb of God'. Perhaps they're showing us that they are ready to wage war on any (to them) heretical off-shoot of their grate religion?
I wonder what our Christian diplomat, Mike Huckabee, has to say about this and the arrest of the official who exposed the rape of the Palestinian boy in the Israeli prison?
Huckabee knows where power lies and will always side with it.
He says nothing. He’s a heretic.
Excellent point
About as sick as it can get. :(
These monsters in human flesh suits also destroyed decades old olive trees on Palestinian land, sacred groves of olives, one of the best human foods in the world. Olive trees.
Like whitey killed off most of the buffalo on the plains of Turtle Island to decimate the Indians primary food source.
The parallels between these slaughters are plain to see.
I saw the video earlier... I can't believe this is going on.
And yes factory farming needs to stop. It’s horrific in both animal and vegetables. The factory farming treat animals horribly and the last acre of vegetation is a blood bath. The little animals have no where to go. So cruel. So sad
You may be right about factory farming, Deano, but what I see in that video does not look like factory farming of sheep. Not at all.
Or, maybe you are just trying to distract attention away from the Zionists intentionally inflicting pain and suffering onto innocent lambs?
As for the suffering of vegetables, I leave that to Erewhon.
Uhh, Caitlin mentions factory-farming herself in the article, Duane. I guess he's just running with that sentence.
Btw, I agree with you that vegetables also get a massive raw deal from 'modern' methods, and that they too can feel pain after all.
Truth is everything's gotta eat to live.
And there's no way that 8bn humans could survive on wild animals allowed to roam freely.
But we sure as shit could do a whole lot more for animal welfare. But then, in the West, we're not exactly doing very well for human welfare, either.
Deano, where the fuck you comin from?
You actually believe that West Bank Palestinians have the means to “factory farm”? GTFOH!
No, Gypsy. As mentioned above, Deano was talking about Caitlin's reference to factory famrs which, for example, supply 99% of the meat in the US. Not to the Palestinian sheep.
I have not written in a long time. After awhile, there just does not seem to be any words . Tonight this one, the little lambs, just broke me. Evvery day that we see the children, the men , women in Gaza breaks my heart. But these animals..like you said..they do not know that they are "Palestinian lambs" ..how can this stop? My whole being is sick, my throat tight, my gut aches. Gabor Mate is doing a lot of pod casts etc to help with the pain, trauma people are living with. And, it is nothing compared to what is happening in Israel. I never used the word hate towards anyone..but the Israeli government, people are doing it to themselves. It is so sick, so backwords...just how can humanity survive this? The world seems to be waking up? but I am not sure and it is sure not fast enough! The leaders in the world..many of them are simply very sick, disgusting people...how can we let this happen? And, it almost feels like a virus...there is a lot going on all over the world .So much unrest. There is so much good that we can do as humans...but right now, aren't people afraid of speaking up? they will just disappear, or lose their jobs, their homes, everything ? I cannot believe the state of the world and to think that one tiny country is ruling the world.. disgusting. I am so ashamed, sad..
You’ve just described how I’ve been feeling for months but the torture of these little lambs broke me inside
Some of y’all seem more upset about this (and of course you should be) than the deaths of Palestinian children.
Israel has demonstrated since the first day of its existence (and Zionism demonstrated before that) that there will never be enough. Today Palestine, then Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt until Eretz Israel. But that will not satisfy the lust, so they will go on to other wars, other genocides. Israel will not collapse on its own. At some point the world’s nations will have to do away with it. The west has created an uncontrollable, insatiable monster.
That's right, Ron...even the entire world could not contain their psychopathic ambition. How about the universe? No, it would be dwarfed by their chutzpah. Then again, it is supposed to be expanding at the speed of light, according to their manufactured "genius", the ultra-Zionist plagiarist Einstein, whose theories have been debunked (see Christopher Jon Bjerknes's "The Manufacture and Sale of St Einstein"), but no, that would still not be enough.
Einstein didn't support the zionist creation of the 'State' of Israel in Palestine. Nor dod he support the 4red heifer solution.
and he was a peace activist.
He also split the atom >cough<.
He worked with several others to do that at a time when they believed Nazi scientists were developing their own bomb. And later regretted it.
It’s not only the West, Ron, it’s the species. We’ve been at war with each other from the day we began to walk on two legs… and the core hasn’t changed.
All my life I've been told about 'free will'. That never made sense to me. I think that was a lie told by people who didn't have the answer as to why humans were/are so evil. I think whoever created us left something out. Or put something in? I don't know and most likely never will get a decent answer.
Never thought about that, but it sounds interesting.
Not true. I suppose there have always been little wars, but some cultures went long periods of time without war. It's NOT human nature. It's the unfortunate result of the fact that a culture based on war, domination and expansion, will try to take over more territory and will usually succeed, as neighboring peaceful groups are unlikely to prevail.
Mary,
“It’s not human nature” Darwin showed that in nature, it’s a Survival of the fittest arena. If humans are part of nature, then we also live according to nature’s laws. Darwin named the condition as Natural Selection.
I think he was right. The weak do not dominate, the strong do, and we are just another part of that pie.
Some have said that we are our own worst enemy, and if nuclear arsenals don’t attest that assumption, then I’m all ears.
My point is that if we recognize our weakness.. I.e., ‘Too much of a good thing is no more good’, then maybe we can do something about it….?
As Darwin himself said, and others have since demonstrated, natural selection operates on competition AND COOPERATION. Predation and symbiosis. Human nature does not necessarily condemn us to kill ourselves off--but we probably will because no one has ever found a solution to the problem of aggressive, expansionary cultures based on domination. Even if another culture wins a war against such a people, it wins only by becoming aggressive and good at violence itself. On the individual level, sociopaths try to dominate their own societies, and within small tribes they generally fail. But in mass, anonymous society they often enough win--massively aided by the fact that wise, psychologically healthy people don't want and don't seek power.
On wisdom and cooperation….!is it wise for example to build
Nuclear arsenals as a scare tactic to prevent enemies from attacking the tribes, and does it not take cooperation to build such weapons?
If our evolution depended on the same survival agendas faced by all species, then seeing the forest for the trees would seem like a good start to digress from a fate of extinction.
Recognizing an enemy is the first step towards self/preservation, and having recognized the enemy, ourselves in this case, would help determine outcomes other than self-destruction.
Don’t we need to recognize a problem before we can try to avoid it? Recognizing that human cooperation and wisdom also leads to nuclear arsenals is in and of itself an evolution of intelligence is it not?
We need to create sn evolution outside the parameters of nature and create an evolution that will transcend the one we were saddled with, and perhaps lead to a new state of wisdom.
Maybe this is nitpicking, but while building a nuclear arsenal does require intelligence and cooperation, it requires a LACK of wisdom.
The settlers are criminals.!
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